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1 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:31:37pm

Anybody need a change of socks?

2 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:31:46pm

Thataway.

3 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:32:20pm

Gluklich zu sehen, je suis enchante,
Happy to see you, bleibe, reste, stay.

4 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:33:01pm

OK, LGF. Be kind, not paranoid. We've lost some probably good folks to your inquisition. Its a rough trip in the beginning, says me.

5 SteveMcG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:33:55pm

OK, so let me see if I'm getting this straight. Lady tells her FBI freind that she was getting harrassing emails. FBI buddy wants more than just buddy love, so he launches his own investigation to be a hero. His investigation starts to lag, the FBI man gets impatient and decides to show thee lady what's in store for her once he's solved her problem. In the meantime, FBI buddy's boss starts wondering what the hell FBI buddy is doing, and sits the buddy down and decides to investigate what the fuck the buddy was doing. This investigation is the one that brings down the CIA Director!

Nah, that could never happen.

6 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:35:30pm

Giggles!

7 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:35:53pm

The Toys R Us is to your right and south a bit.

8 SteveMcG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:36:19pm

When that giraffe lets go, it's gonna be nasty!

9 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:36:28pm

re: #6 Dancing along the light of day

Giggles!

Friend of yours?

10 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:36:47pm

Outside it is winter. But in here it's so hot,
Even the artwork has long legs.

11 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:37:14pm

re: #5 SteveMcG

OK, so let me see if I'm getting this straight. Lady tells her FBI freind that she was getting harrassing emails. FBI buddy wants more than just buddy love, so he launches his own investigation to be a hero. His investigation starts to lag, the FBI man gets impatient and decides to show thee lady what's in store for her once he's solved her problem. In the meantime, FBI buddy's boss starts wondering what the hell FBI buddy is doing, and sits the buddy down and decides to investigate what the fuck the buddy was doing. This investigation is the one that brings down the CIA Director!

Nah, that could never happen.

Lady has become the story. Little did she realize.

12 MMWerth  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:37:34pm

Hello. Checking in again. I was under the alias TMRiddle a while back... but for some reason I can't log in to that. Something about the account being suspended. :(.

Anyway, still love the site.

13 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:40:48pm

re: #9 Daniel Ballard

Boyfriend. He kicks, too. Watch out!

14 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:42:26pm

re: #3 jaunte

Gluklich zu sehen, je suis enchante,
Happy to see you, bleibe, reste, stay.

Can I break out with "Cabaret" yet?

15 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:42:30pm

re: #13 Dancing along the light of day

Boyfriend. He kicks, too. Watch out!

Just make sure he follows the 'no right turns on red' signs.

16 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:46:52pm

So what is thanksgiving like for these people when they all get together? Jesus fucking Christ, but this is one fucked up circle of people.

17 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:48:55pm

re: #4 Stanghazi

OK, LGF. Be kind, not paranoid. We've lost some probably good folks to your inquisition. Its a rough trip in the beginning, says me.

Image: conspiracy.jpg

18 dell*nix  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:50:13pm

re: #16 darthstar

Watching some of the blather on MSNBC and those idiots are flaming insane and living in an alternate universe when it comes to human nature and interactions.

19 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:50:39pm

re: #16 darthstar

I'm telling ya, something ain't right. Kelley has 3 kids, one as young as a year old. Married to an accomplished oncologist. Medical background.
Is this a military equivalent of a groupie?

20 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:51:29pm

re: #16 darthstar

This has turned into a 3-ring circus. And, from Cantor deciding to not release anything while the election was going, there is probably about to be some dark, dark things coming out.

21 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:51:41pm
22 allegro  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:53:13pm

re: #19 prairiefire

I'm telling ya, something ain't right. Kelley has 3 kids, one as young as a year old. Married to an accomplished oncologist. Medical background. Is she also a Madam?
Is this a military equivalent of a groupie?

Yeah, that. And I'm trying to figure out how 2 generals, one who becomes the head of the CIA is a part of that social crowd in Tampa. Blowing my image of the military all to hell.

23 allegro  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:53:54pm

re: #21 dragonath

Romney Co-Chair: Voter ID Would Have Won Us Wisconsin

We didn't cheat hard enough!

24 Achilles Tang  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:54:28pm

re: #20 ProGunLiberal

This has turned into a 3-ring circus. And, from Cantor deciding to not release anything while the election was going, there is probably about to be some dark, dark things coming out.

Don't start getting conspiratorial on us. There are others much better at that out there.

25 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:54:29pm

re: #16 darthstar

So what is thanksgiving like for these people when they all get together? Jesus fucking Christ, but this is one fucked up circle of people.

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Cronyism.

Welcome to America comrade. //

26 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:54:43pm

Lawrence doing a rewrite on Rand Paul right now...who is now saying he's for a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants - a position LEFT of the Democrats, and decriminalizing marijuana...he wants to redefine the GOP and "show what conservatives are willing to accept"...holy shit. President Obama winning reelection has just released a free for all in the GOP.

This is going to be fun to watch.

27 ninja cat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:55:12pm

re: #22 allegro

It blows my mind that Tampa is even considered having a social scene.

28 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:55:15pm

re: #21 dragonath

Romney Co-Chair: Voter ID Would Have Won Us Wisconsin

The GOP's very own backstab fable? If they really run with this, it would become the duty of the civilized part of the US to vote accordingly.

29 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:55:25pm

re: #22 allegro

Yeah, that. And I'm trying to figure out how 2 generals, one who becomes the head of the CIA is a part of that social crowd in Tampa. Blowing my image of the military all to hell.

The super secret military, to boot! heh

31 Achilles Tang  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:56:36pm

re: #18 dell*nix

Watching some of the blather on MSNBC and those idiots are flaming insane and living in an alternate universe when it comes to human nature and interactions.

The blatherers or the ones they blather about?

32 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:56:43pm
33 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:57:13pm

And ICYMI

34 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:58:07pm

re: #24 Achilles Tang

My logic is, if Cantor, the partisan slim he is, didn't decide to leak the information while the election was ongoing, there must have been some pretty heavy crap going on.

To put it simpler, if he didn't leak, then it must be some bad juju.

35 Achilles Tang  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:00:22pm

re: #33 Gus

And ICYMI

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This would be a good one for adding one's quote of choice on what he is whispering in her ear, assuming it isn't his tongue.

36 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:00:36pm

re: #33 Gus

And ICYMI

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Image: Dave_and_Jill_Painting.jpg

37 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:00:41pm

re: #33 Gus

"Close your eyes and think of England Tampa."

38 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:02:02pm

re: #35 Achilles Tang

This would be a good one for adding one's quote of choice on what he is whispering in her ear.

"Caption this."

39 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:03:02pm

re: #34 ProGunLiberal

My logic is, if Cantor, the partisan slim he is, didn't decide to leak the information while the election was ongoing, there must have been some pretty heavy crap going on.

To put it simpler, if he didn't leak, then it must be some bad juju.

Since I also think the House GOP leadership is incapable of taking a dump without first considering the political angle, I agree that Cantor must have has a political reason for not publicizing it.

Probably something more embarrassing than important, give the way this has played out so far...

40 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:03:34pm

re: #16 darthstar

So what is thanksgiving like for these people when they all get together? Jesus fucking Christ, but this is one fucked up circle of people.

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Nepotism, cronyism, incest. Aristocrats.

41 dell*nix  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:03:41pm

re: #31 Achilles Tang

Mostly the blatherers. They seem to have no idea that high ranking officers have social duties folded into military duties and how that works. I have limited experience with social duties, but I have had some exposure to those that do.

42 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:03:46pm

re: #4 Stanghazi

OK, LGF. Be kind, not paranoid. We've lost some probably good folks to your inquisition. Its a rough trip in the beginning, says me.

re: #12 MMWerth

Hello. Checking in again. I was under the alias TMRiddle a while back... but for some reason I can't log in to that. Something about the account being suspended. :(.

Anyway, still love the site.

Are these two posts related? :D

43 Achilles Tang  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:04:01pm

re: #34 ProGunLiberal

My logic is, if Cantor, the partisan slim he is, didn't decide to leak the information while the election was ongoing, there must have been some pretty heavy crap going on.

To put it simpler, if he didn't leak, then it must be some bad juju.

I'm going to guess that what he knew at the time would only make him look like an ass if he tried to blow it up to presidential level just before the election.

44 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:05:09pm

re: #34 ProGunLiberal

My logic is, if Cantor, the partisan slim he is, didn't decide to leak the information while the election was ongoing, there must have been some pretty heavy crap going on.

To put it simpler, if he didn't leak, then it must be some bad juju.

I'd say Cantor knew some of what had happened, but not all of it. Given how explosive scandals can prove to be, he likely decided not to set off a explosion when he didn't know who'd be caught in the blast radius.

Moreover, no one would have thanked Eric Cantor for outing a scandal that ended the career of America's greatest general of the recent wars. He might well have found himself despised for having done so, especially within the Army and the CIA.

45 Achilles Tang  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:05:58pm

re: #41 dell*nix

Mostly the blatherers. They seem to have no idea that high ranking officers have social duties folded into military duties and how that works. I have limited experience with social duties, but I have had some exposure to those that do.

Social duties include screwing around and attempting to use untraceable email?

46 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:06:04pm

re: #43 Achilles Tang

I'm going to guess that what he knew at the time would only make him look like an ass if he tried to blow it up to presidential level just before the election.

So many possibilities. Cantor could have though, well Romney's gonna lose. If I spill the beans on Petraeus it might take down my own political career. At the same time we also have to keep in mind that Petraeus was considered larger than life. Until now of course.

47 dell*nix  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:10:29pm

re: #45 Achilles Tang

Everybody does dumbshit stuff. Especially combat arms types. Got to go now. Will check in tomorrow.

48 gwangung  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:12:04pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

I'd say Cantor knew some of what had happened, but not all of it. Given how explosive scandals can prove to be, he likely decided not to set off a explosion when he didn't know who'd be caught in the blast radius.

I think this is quite true, particularly if it seemed unclear what the extent of the scandal was. It'd be VERY embarrassing if it turned out that it involved some heretofore unknown person, like, say, a big Republican donor...

Shoot, fire, aim is ALWAYS a bad strategy, with our without firearms...

49 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:12:14pm

re: #46 Gus

So many possibilities. Cantor could have though, well Romney's gonna lose. If I spill the beans on Petraeus it might take down my own political career. At the same time we also have to keep in mind that Petraeus was considered larger than life. Until now of course.

Just so. Remember that however much Republicans hate Barack Obama, David Petraeus has been very popular with all but the Paulians within the GOP. For one of the GOP to have taken him down over an affair would have gained the party nothing and possibly cost it critical enthusiasm the GOP was counting on at the polls. (We know know that enthusiasm wasn't fully there, but that's not what the party leadership was being told a month ago).

50 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:12:24pm

Damn, FG!

51 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:12:30pm

re: #47 dell*nix

Everybody does dumbshit stuff. Especially combat arms types. Got to go now. Will check in tomorrow.

Morally it's between David, Holly, and their children.

52 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:13:14pm
53 ninja cat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:13:58pm

re: #41 dell*nix

Mostly the blatherers. They seem to have no idea that high ranking officers have social duties folded into military duties and how that works. I have limited experience with social duties, but I have had some exposure to those that do.

What social duties involve testifying for Kelley's sister in a custody battle? Doesn't he have some other things to attend to?

54 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:14:12pm

re: #51 Gus

Morally it's between David, Holly, and their children.

True, if there was no improper handling of classified information.

55 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:14:28pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Just so. Remember that however much Republicans hate Barack Obama, David Petraeus has been very popular with all but the Paulians within the GOP. For one of the GOP to have taken him down over an affair would have gained the party nothing and possibly cost it critical enthusiasm the GOP was counting on at the polls. (We know know that enthusiasm wasn't fully there, but that's not what the party leadership was being told a month ago).

The Paulians? I'll be honest here and I think Petraeus was admired from many different circles. Sure, it was primarily conservatives but there were some liberals. I admit to being somewhat in the latter croup. My view on Petraeus has changed dramatically over this.

56 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:15:54pm

re: #55 Gus

The Paulians? I'll be honest here and I think Petraeus was admired from many different circles. Sure, it was primarily conservatives but there were some liberals. I admit to being somewhat in the latter croup. My view on Petraeus has changed dramatically over this.

Fix-Ed

57 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:18:44pm

It's all so gross though. The ghost writer. Confused shirtless FBI agent. The cronyism. The apparent sport fucking behind spouses backs. The contracts. The liaison bullshit. The faux diplomatic credentials via plates on a nice Benz. The military contracts. The security complex. The military industrial complex. Iraq. Afghanistan. Security seminars in Aspen. Lots of leg. MILFs here and there. But other than that I'm fine.

58 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:19:37pm

re: #55 Gus

The Paulians? I'll be honest here and I think Petraeus was admired from many different circles. Sure, it was primarily conservatives but there were some liberals. I admit to being somewhat in the latter croup. My view on Petraeus has changed dramatically over this.

Ron Paul and his fans don't like the kind of overseas operations Petraeus was in charge of in the Army, nor do they like the CIA. So i don't know who they feel about him, so I left them out.

59 allegro  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:20:13pm

re: #57 Gus

It's all so gross though. The ghost writer. Confused shirtless FBI agent. The cronyism. The apparent sport fucking behind spouses backs. The contracts. The liaison bullshit. The faux diplomatic credentials via plates on a nice Benz. The military contracts. The security complex. The military industrial complex. Iraq. Afghanistan. Security seminars in Aspen. Lots of leg. MILFs here and there. But other than that I'm fine.

I think it's time to bring in an expert who has experience with this. Calling Jerry Springer...

60 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:20:17pm

re: #57 Gus

It's lie a bad spy novel....

61 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:21:10pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Ron Paul and his fans don't like the kind of overseas operations Petraeus was in charge of in the Army, nor do they like the CIA. So i don't know who they feel about him, so I left them out.

Ah. You said "with all BUT." There I go again. Misread.

62 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:21:36pm

re: #57 Gus

It's all so gross though. The ghost writer. Confused shirtless FBI agent. The cronyism. The apparent sport fucking behind spouses backs. The contracts. The liaison bullshit. The faux diplomatic credentials via plates on a nice Benz. The military contracts. The security complex. The military industrial complex. Iraq. Afghanistan. Security seminars in Aspen. Lots of leg. MILFs here and there. But other than that I'm fine.

It's probably not much more than an especially lurid example of power corrupting. I'll be the first to admit there are a bunch of DC beltway types that don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us, and that this is a problem.

63 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:22:22pm

Afghanistan is now the nation's longest war.

64 MMWerth  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:23:27pm

re: #42 Gus

Hah! I think my last post on TMRiddle was around the time of the Winston Churchill bust days.

65 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:24:24pm

re: #57 Gus

It's all so gross though. The ghost writer. Confused shirtless FBI agent. The cronyism. The apparent sport fucking behind spouses backs. The contracts. The liaison bullshit. The faux diplomatic credentials via plates on a nice Benz. The military contracts. The security complex. The military industrial complex. Iraq. Afghanistan. Security seminars in Aspen. Lots of leg. MILFs here and there. But other than that I'm fine.

Fuckin' lot of free cash and influence floating around.

66 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:25:16pm

re: #63 jaunte

Afghanistan is now the nation's longest war.

Wonder if it was the Soviet Union's longest too

67 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:25:25pm
68 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:25:35pm

re: #61 Gus

Ah. You said "with all BUT." There I go again. Misread.

It was tough to phrase.

69 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:25:49pm

re: #64 MMWerth

Hah! I think my last post on TMRiddle was around the time of the Winston Churchill bust days.

I think there was an automatic suspension if you didn't comment for 6 months at one point. Not sure though. I looked and nothing stood out. ;)

70 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:26:50pm

re: #60 Dancing along the light of day

It's lie a bad spy novel....

Or a good one...

71 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:26:53pm

re: #67 Kronocide

Petraeus Affair Photos montage

Took a second or two to figure that out.

72 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:27:11pm

re: #71 Varek Raith

Took a second or two to figure that out.

Outrage! ;)

73 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:28:22pm

re: #21 dragonath

Romney Co-Chair: Voter ID Would Have Won Us Wisconsin

"(N WORD)S!!!! HE WAS ELECTED BY (N WORD)S!!!"

*Jumping up and down, fists clenched*

"N word President, N word President, N WORD PRESIDENT!!!! WHAAAAA!!!"

74 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:28:36pm

re: #65 prairiefire

Is it your birthday this month?

75 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:30:57pm

re: #69 Gus

I think there was an automatic suspension if you didn't comment for 6 months at one point. Not sure though. I looked and nothing stood out. ;)

BE COOL

76 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:31:01pm

re: #74 Stanghazi

Is it your birthday this month?

Hey! I'm in September! 51, don't tell anybody

77 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:31:55pm
78 Achilles Tang  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:32:24pm

re: #47 dell*nix

Everybody does dumbshit stuff. Especially combat arms types. Got to go now. Will check in tomorrow.

Most of us know that when one reaches a certain level in public life then dumbshit stuff is off the table. The point is that most likely they got where they are by not doing dumbshit stuff; so what happened when they reached the stratosphere? Lack of oxygen or Androgel 1.62?

79 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:32:38pm

I wonder if we're about to have the lid ripped clean off the General Officer Groupie Scene. I bet there's all kinds of fun open-secret stuff waiting to be Investigative Journalism-ed.

80 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:32:50pm

re: #77 Gus

Succession? The Royalists are back!

81 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:33:04pm

re: #67 Kronocide

Petraeus Affair Photos montage

This needs to get around. Can you do a page for tweeting?

82 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:36:55pm

re: #76 prairiefire

Hey! I'm in September! 51, don't tell anybody

GF. I remember now. The 20th! (my former love anniversary - I'm trying to be positive with that classification)

I was wondering about the sapphire.

83 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:37:05pm

re: #60 Dancing along the light of day

It's lie a bad spy novel....

Did some follow-up. Seems your boyfriend ran into trouble on his way home from the city. He came through alright, but the other guy didn't:

84 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:40:36pm

re: #67 Kronocide

Petraeus Affair Photos montage

"pardon my ignorance but what exactly do the photos accompanying this story have to do with the Petraeus scandal other than acting as a possible metaphor?"
[Link: petraeusaffair.tumblr.com...]

85 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:40:50pm

re: #82 Stanghazi

GF. I remember now. The 20th! (my former love anniversary - I'm trying to be positive with that classification)

I was wondering about the sapphire.

Exactly! I am sending new association, positive vibes your way.
I've got a question. When you turn on the water, does it now run blue in Cali? Mine is rusty red!

86 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:42:00pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

Did some follow-up. Seems your boyfriend ran into trouble on his way home from the city. He came through alright, but the other guy didn't:

[Embedded content]

damn it

87 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:43:31pm

re: #76 prairiefire

Hey! I'm in September! 51, don't tell anybody

Giggles, me too, except 53. It's only a number, Babe!

88 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:44:30pm

re: #86 Stanghazi

damn it

The giraffe that gets KOed was actually lucky, since he was able to recover and get up before a lion or hyena came along. Either one of those predators can kill a downed giraffe with a single bite to the neck.

89 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:46:03pm

re: #70 prairiefire

Or a good one...

What Would Jesus James Do?

90 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:47:55pm

re: #85 prairiefire

Exactly! I am sending new association, positive vibes your way.
I've got a question. When you turn on the water, does it now run blue in Cali? Mine is rusty red!

We finally lost this asshole carpet bagger gop freakadilly Brian Bilbray. I don't know how many democratic candidates I've supported against him to no avail. The moment I move out of his district, it looks like he lost. blue baby. 1800 votes Scott Peters ahead. Bilbray not conceding. WHOOOO

91 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:47:57pm

re: #32 Gus

The Flowchart

Oh Christ, Reichert was the go-between for cantor and shirtless FBI guy? Sheesh, Dave, don't you have any serial killers you could be eventually catching, instead of involving my state in this nonsense?

92 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:49:52pm

Can you IMAGINE Cantor, who I see as the ultimate whipping boy, deciding what to DO with this info from the FBI dude?

I'm laughing.

93 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:51:20pm

This game rocks.
[Link: kerbalspaceprogram.com...]

94 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:55:22pm

re: #92 Stanghazi

Can you IMAGINE Cantor, who I see as the ultimate whipping boy, deciding what to DO with this info from the FBI dude?

I'm laughing.

Befuddlement exemplified.

95 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:00:23pm

re: #94 prairiefire

Befuddlement exemplified.

I'm hunting wabbit.

96 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:06:28pm

Steve Cantor, anyone?


...
it's a parody of steve canyon

97 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:10:22pm

re: #21 dragonath

Romney Co-Chair: Voter ID Would Have Won Us Wisconsin

Alberta Darling started out as one of those "moderate" republicans. She is straight up wingnut now. No apologies. Recent district rewrite ensures her stupidity for years to come.

98 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:11:55pm

re: #97 Amory Blaine

Alberta Darling started out as one of those "moderate" republicans. She is straight up wingnut now. No apologies. Recent district rewrite ensures her stupidity for years to come.

As someone once succinctly put it, voting for any Republican, at any level, is like voting for the Wingnut Farm Team.

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:12:25pm

re: #89 dragonath

What Would Jesus James Do?

Well, now, we can go some real interesting places with this statement. I find the Book Of James, traditionally associated with being written by the Lord's younger brother, it's much more terribly jewish and terribly christian, depending, than their hate filled fantasies of Christianity are. Most would do well to look at a short term stay in hell...

Do you really want to go there? If you do, there's much more fun to be had, but it won't be as easy as the alternative... ;)

100 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:12:31pm
101 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:22:05pm

re: #99 William Barnett-Lewis

Arggh! Not that James!

But, actually this is more interesting...

14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

102 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:23:34pm

More Wisconsin Wingnut Stupidity:

9 lawmakers want to charge U.S. officials who implement Obamacare

As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law.

Eight of the nine Republicans also have gone on record saying they also want to write a law that would see airport screeners charged with sexual assault if they conduct overly invasive pat-downs of passengers going through security.

All nine also told a tea party-aligned group they backed passing so-called "right-to-work" legislation; allowing people to carry guns without having to get permits from the state; allowing people to buy raw, or unpasteurized, milk; and blocking state funding for the federal Real ID law that requires states to develop more secure driver's licenses.

But their stance on the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, could cause the most fireworks in the upcoming session. Walker must decide by Friday whether the state will create a health care exchange under the health care law or leave those duties to President Barack Obama's administration.

Rep. Chris Kapenga (R-Delafield) is one of the nine from Wisconsin who told the Campaign for Liberty he would back legislation to declare Obamacare illegal and allow police to arrest federal officials who take steps to implement it in Wisconsin. He said he believes the health care law is unconstitutional, despite the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling that it passes constitutional muster.

"Just because Obama was re-elected does not mean he's above the constitution," Kapenga said.

103 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:25:54pm

re: #102 Amory Blaine

These people are out of their minds.

104 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:26:23pm

re: #102 Amory Blaine

I thought it was pretty amazing that the Republicans gained a few seats in the state house- which was an aberration compared to the rest of the midwest. I don't know how they salted the ground of your state's politics so well.

105 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:28:00pm

re: #104 dragonath

I thought it was pretty amazing that the Republicans gained a few seats in the state house- which was an aberration compared to the rest of the midwest. I don't know how they salted the ground of your state's politics so well.

The right owns the media in this state lock stock and barrel. I'd also say most people here are racist as well.

106 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:28:36pm

re: #105 Amory Blaine

The right owns the media in this state lock stock and barrel. I'd also say most people here are racist as well.

Edit: Excluding some media that caters to Madison only.

107 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:33:42pm

re: #105 Amory Blaine

Sometimes I think our political process resembles Italy. Berluscioni was so blatantly corrupt and contemptuous of the law, yet owned the media and was guaranteed at least 40% of the vote. Things finally caught up to him now, but...

108 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:33:43pm
109 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:34:21pm

re: #102 Amory Blaine

More Wisconsin Wingnut Stupidity:

9 lawmakers want to charge U.S. officials who implement Obamacare

Article VI should put paid to that swiftly.

110 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:37:59pm

re: #102 Amory Blaine

Robin Vos the new Majority leader. . .

111 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:38:04pm

Wait what?

112 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:38:43pm

Cripes. They're still playing that Chinese paranoia ad still on Youtube. The one payed for by "Citizens Against Government Waist" or defeatingthedebt.com. We get the point wingnuts. China is going to kill us! Whatever.

113 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:39:53pm

Big Mexican Women.

114 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:39:57pm
115 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:40:27pm

re: #113 dragonath

Big Mexican Women.

BMWs

They're taking over the universe.

116 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:41:37pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

did you read? Walker delayed this because he thought Romney would win. . .google Milwaukee Journal Sentinel or Wisconsin State Journal. . .

117 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:42:26pm

re: #113 dragonath

Like ANYONE is uglier than Karl Rove or Rush Limbaugh...
just saying!

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:42:39pm

If you have a problem...if no one else can help...and if you can find them...maybe you can hire the Big Mexican Women.

119 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:42:54pm

re: #102 Amory Blaine

Stupidity is ALL UP IN THE HIZZLE. . .here in Dairy Land. . .:(

120 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:46:22pm
121 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:48:07pm

re: #120 Four More Tears

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Petraeusgate claims another victim.

122 alpuz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:48:08pm

re: #119 DisturbedEma

States' rights.

123 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:49:24pm

re: #121 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

?

124 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:51:27pm

re: #120 Four More Tears

[Embedded content]

Did you know the Chinese company that's building their outrageous outrage Predator drone copy also has a contract with Boeing? They built a lot of MD-83 nose sections in the past too.

125 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:54:20pm

re: #116 DisturbedEma

did you read? Walker delayed this because he thought Romney would win. . .google Milwaukee Journal Sentinel or Wisconsin State Journal. . .

I was actually referring to the Federal Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, which I feel this state law would violate. As for that group of state lawmakers, they're going to get a rude awakening; They may favor 'right to work' legislation, but Scott Walker announced back in May (edited) that he would veto any such bill that reached his desk (he did that because he needed to do so to avoid losing the recall election). Further, Real ID is essential to allow states to implement Voter ID laws, and its implementation is also something Arizona's SB 1070 was predicated on.

So these loons are advocating positions that are by turns unconstitutional, already disavowed by Gov. Walker, and in the last case harmful to laws that Wisconsin has already passed. Talk about an EPIC FAIL!

126 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:56:44pm
127 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:57:13pm

Gah. Still getting political ads on Youtube. Ick.

128 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:57:44pm

Which by the way sucks. Youtube that is.

129 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:57:52pm
130 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:57:58pm

Bullies. The whole lot.

131 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:58:17pm

re: #126 Four More Tears

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Petticoat rule!

132 alpuz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:58:31pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

133 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:58:49pm

re: #127 Gus

Gah. Still getting political ads on Youtube. Ick.

Ad time must be dirt cheap!

134 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:00:08pm

re: #133 Amory Blaine

Ad time must be dirt cheap!

Stupid right wing BS too. Bleh.

135 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:01:45pm

re: #132 alpuz

No, that can't be right, Obama's the one trying to divide America...

136 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:02:57pm
137 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:03:31pm

re: #122 alpuz

States' rights.

I've ID'd those nine Wisconsin legislators:

138 alpuz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:07:31pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

That's great. Now what? Vote Ryan?

Fuggit.. I'm off to bed.

139 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:08:27pm
140 gwangung  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:09:56pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

So these loons are advocating positions that are by turns unconstitutional, already disavowed by Gov. Walker, and in the last case harmful to laws that Wisconsin has already passed. Talk about an EPIC FAIL!

Perfect planks for the Republicans in 2013.

141 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:12:36pm
Walker announced in December 2011 that his administration was stopping work on a Wisconsin exchange until the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled on whether the federal law was constitutional. Facing criticism from conservatives wanting nothing to do with the health law, Walker also ended up turning down $38 million in federal money that could have gone to implementing it in the state.
142 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:15:20pm

re: #141 Amory Blaine

That was within Walker's rights, to not proceed on a healthcare exchange prior to the Supreme Court's having ruled on the law. You can call that decision wrong, but it is defensible. Trying some sort of "Tenther Nullification" would not be, and Walker is unlikely to do so.

143 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:19:07pm
144 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:20:52pm

He pissed away 38 million. Just like he pissed away 800 million for light rail. Possibly millions for broken contracts to Talgo. Fiscal conservative.

145 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:27:04pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

That was within Walker's rights, to not proceed on a healthcare exchange prior to the Supreme Court's having ruled on the law. You can call that decision wrong, but it is defensible. Trying some sort of "Tenther Nullification" would not be, and Walker is unlikely to do so.

The Supremes ruled on ACA months ago. Walker was waiting till the election hoping that Romney would be able to repeal the law was just childish obstinance.

Fresh off his June 5 recall election win, Walker said the state will not move forward with implementing the health care overhaul, even though it was upheld against a Supreme Court challenge. He said Thursday that while he wished the court had overturned the law, he still believes a new president and Republican-controlled Congress will overturn it next year, the Associated Press reported.

146 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:27:44pm

Taking that 38 million would have committed Walker to supporting a law he did not wish to provide support for. As I said, the decision can be called wrong, but it wasn't indefensible.

147 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:29:18pm
148 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:31:52pm

re: #102 Amory Blaine

Comment from article:

It Cant Happen Here - Today at 7:38 PM - Report Abuse

No wonder Wisconsin is near last on job creation since the T-Party took power. Imagine you are an international firm seeking investments. You look at Wisconsin. You see a state that broke a contract with a major foreign rail manufacturer, is slashing spending to education, and has politicians deputized as a Barney Fife Hee Haw posse threatening to arrest Federal workers trying to provide healthcare...

What an embarrassment....

149 gwangung  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:33:14pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Taking that 38 million would have committed Walker to supporting a law he did not wish to provide support for. As I said, the decision can be called wrong, but it wasn't indefensible.

ummmm....that's not what he's saying.

Though...by law...he IS supposed to support the law, no matter what his wishes. And he pissed away money to do so, making it more expensive in the long run.

I'm not sure being fiscally irresponsible is actually that defensible.

150 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:33:19pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Taking that 38 million would have committed Walker to supporting a law he did not wish to provide support for. As I said, the decision can be called wrong, but it wasn't indefensible.

Yes, it was completely indefensible. Even after the law was upheld Walker continued to live in a magical fantasy world where Romney was going to become President, the Republicans control the Senate and the law he didn't like repealed. Leadership isn't sticking your head in the sand and praying for the future to do away with an unwelcome current reality.

151 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:41:42pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

Yes, it was completely indefensible. Even after the law was upheld Walker continued to live in a magical fantasy world where Romney was going to become President, the Republicans control the Senate and the law he didn't like repealed. Leadership isn't sticking your head in the sand and praying for the future to do away with an unwelcome current reality.

new gop mascot: ostrich

152 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:43:34pm

Walker created a self-fulfilling prophecy where the cost of implementing the ACA is increased because of his foolishness, allowing him to convince the rubes that the law is costing more than Democrats "promised" it would.

So here we are, little more than a year to go before the law is supposed to come into effect, and Republicans are still engaging in this fantasy where they will magically undo Obamacare and bring "market-based reforms" to the people.

153 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:45:54pm

The Petraeus scandal explained with the help of Taiwanese CGI.

154 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:53:56pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

Win Win!!!

155 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:54:04pm

Latest Benghazi craziness: Obama secretly contravened own EO by ordering CIA to start taking terrorists prisoner again, and the reason the CIA annex was attacked was because the militia was trying to free a couple of fellow fighters taken prisoner by the CIA. And they know this because Petraeus' crazy bimbo blurted it out during a speech.

156 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:55:59pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

Latest Benghazi craziness: Obama secretly contravened own EO by ordering CIA to start taking terrorists prisoner again, and the reason the CIA annex was attacked was because the militia was trying to free a couple of fellow fighters taken prisoner by the CIA. And they know this because Petraeus' crazy bimbo blurted it out during a speech.

Nutjobs who are making the case for forced psychiatric medication.

///

157 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:59:36pm

re: #153 goddamnedfrank

The Petraeus scandal explained with the help of Taiwanese CGI.

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i vote

[x] yes! i want to have all my news delivered as salacious taiwanese animations!

where can i get this channel on the cable???

158 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:31:49pm

re: #21 dragonath

Romney Co-Chair: Voter ID Would Have Won Us Wisconsin

"We don’t have fraud and abuse in our elections.’ But why, why can’t we have voter ID when the majority of our people in Wisconsin wanted it, we passed it, the governor signed it? Why should one judge in Dane County be able to hold it up?”"

So why do you need it except out of political expediency, and why should a judge let you get away with that?

159 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:37:51pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Article VI should put paid to that swiftly.

Just because it's in the Constitution does not mean that it is Constitutional!

/

160 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:03:59am

For your enjoyment:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

161 Tigger2005  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:04:11am

Giraffezilla?

162 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:06:03am

re: #160 dragonath

For your enjoyment:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Also here.

Stilgar, we have douchesign.

163 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:30:05am

re: #151 engineer cat

new gop mascot: ostrich

The Dodo.

164 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:32:39am

re: #163 Kragar

The Dodo.

wooly mammoth - hunted to extinction by white men

165 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:35:03am

re: #164 Sol Berdinowitz

wooly mammoth - hunted to extinction by white men

Well, so was the Dodo, plus the name, Dodo.

166 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:37:01am

re: #165 Kragar

Well, so was the Dodo, plus the name, Dodo.

I thought the dodo was wiped out by dogs & rats (nonetheless brought by white men)

167 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:40:34am

re: #166 Sol Berdinowitz

I thought the dodo was wiped out by dogs & rats (nonetheless brought by white men)

No fear of humans + flightless = easy picking for sailors looking to restock a ship's larder

Though there were numerous other factors, so you can't just say one reason.

168 freetoken  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:48:47am

re: #143 Gus

I'm surprised he got as many votes as he did. Romney will surpass McCain's vote totals, which means he's actually growing the GOP voter turnout. Strange.

169 freetoken  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:51:38am

Ligeti's "Pápainé":

170 researchok  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:52:56am

Good morning, all

171 researchok  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:59:55am

re: #169 freetoken

Different- piece I have to 'work at' to appreciate.

I looked up Pápainé for context.

Pretty arcane/obscure stuff!

172 freetoken  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 1:02:22am

Ok, well, here's something a bit more traditional - Bach:

173 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 1:26:22am

re: #172 freetoken

Ok, well, here's something a bit more traditional - Bach:

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Bach?

174 researchok  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 1:27:46am

re: #172 freetoken

musica interruptus Had to reboot.

Great Bach piece.

As for the Ligeti, I liked it. I do like broadening my horizons.

His wiki bio cites Le Grand Macabre. Are you familiar with that?

Any selections that stand out?

175 researchok  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 1:31:27am

re: #173 Kragar

That's great.

176 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 1:33:57am

re: #158 Sol Berdinowitz

"We don’t have fraud and abuse in our elections.’ But why, why can’t we have voter ID when the majority of our people in Wisconsin wanted it, we passed it, the governor signed it? Why should one judge in Dane County be able to hold it up?”"

So why do you need it except out of political expediency, and why should a judge let you get away with that?

Please note that many of these laws were not struck from the law, merely postponed by the courts. In those cases they will be allowed to go into effect now that this election cycle is over. The courts questioned the motivation behind passing such laws so close to a national election with inadequate evidence of compelling need for them. In the 2014 and 2016 elections there will be many more states requiring state issued ID to vote.

177 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 1:45:46am

re: #176 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Yunno, at the time the Constitution was framed, there was no such thing as a photo ID, and only diplomats carried passports.

We need a goddam national ID card, issued free of charge to all citizens, which would be required for national elections (presidential and congressional). With that in place, the states would be compelled to accept it for local elections, too.

178 freetoken  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:15:25am

re: #177 Sol Berdinowitz

Implant under the skin. I've proposed it here before, but for some reason people think it won't work.

179 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:18:56am

re: #178 freetoken

Implant under the skin. I've proposed it here before, but for some reason people think it won't work.

Would be the easiest, we do it for pets and livestock...

But seriously, a national ID card - free of charge - for every eligible voting citizen would set a national standard and save costs over the long term.

180 freetoken  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:20:08am

re: #174 researchok

Any selections that stand out?

I think the most well known Ligeti piece was the one used in 2001 A Space Odyssey, known as "Lux Aeterna". I've linked it here before, along with his "Requiem" also used in said movie.

181 freetoken  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:20:32am

re: #179 Sol Berdinowitz

I am serious.

182 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:25:01am

re: #181 freetoken

I am serious.

I agree it would be the best solution, but it is politically totally infeasible.

I am serious about the national ID card, it would be difficult to sell, but it would end all discussion of voter ID issues and ease the problem of immigration issues: there should be one card for all citizens and another for all legal residents, which would be useful in managing illegal immigration.

183 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:50:37am

From the BBC US high security bio lab faces uncertain future

Kansas and science. Two things that have drifted apart lately...

184 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:53:49am

Good.

United Parcel Service has joined Intel in telling the Boy Scouts of America that it will no longer be eligible for corporate donations unless it ends its anti-gay policies. UPS gives $150,000 a year to the Scouts.

185 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:13:21am

[Link: gawker.com...]

According to the New York Daily News, Cablevision is "sticking with its longstanding policy that requires customers to call and specifically detail when they lost service in order to qualify for a refund." In other words, while nearly 60,000 New Yorkers are still living without electricity, and thus nothing to power their cellphones or landlines, Cablevision expects everyone to call them and tell them the exact length of their cable outage, or else get charged.

By contrast, Time Warner Cable has agreed to automatically provide credits to its customers in the areas where the power, internet, and cable were knocked out by the storm. Says John Quibley, Time Warner's regional vice president of operations in New York, "By posting credits automatically to customers' accounts in the hardest hit parts of our service area, we hope these affected residents and businesses will have one less call to make as they recover from the storm."

186 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:18:14am

re: #184 goddamnedfrank

Good.

Boy Scouts are free to continue to discriminate against gays. Other are free to end their association with them.

That is what freedom of association is about.

187 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:20:15am

Morning Honcos.

188 sagehen  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:25:40am

re: #179 Sol Berdinowitz

Would be the easiest, we do it for pets and livestock...

But seriously, a national ID card - free of charge - for every eligible voting citizen would set a national standard and save costs over the long term.

I can remember a time when conservatives took great pride in the US being a place that *didn't* have a national ID card. It was a matter of FREEDOM!!!!!11! to not have to have ID. Anyone who suggested issuing such cards was accused of piloting black helicopters or wanting to tattoo us all with the mark of the beast or government surveillance or pinko commies out to steal their bodily fluids...

189 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:27:34am

Lakeland Electric lineman breaks jaw, cheek bone in attack while restoring power in New York
LAKELAND, Fla. - A bay area electrical lineman who got attacked while helping restore power in the storm-ravaged area of New York will likely need surgery to repair his face.
[Link: www.abcactionnews.com...]
Well, someone is running for "douche of the year".

190 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:29:57am

re: #188 sagehen

I can remember a time when conservatives took great pride in the US being a place that *didn't* have a national ID card. It was a matter of FREEDOM!!!!!11! to not have to have ID. Anyone who suggested issuing such cards was accused of piloting black helicopters or wanting to tattoo us all with the mark of the beast or government surveillance or pinko commies out to steal their bodily fluids...

The extreme lefties would be just as opposed to it for similar grounds: creeping Big Brotherhood...

ID cards are an accepted way of life in Europe, they go back to the time after WWII when there were millions of homeless and displaced persons who had to be assigned an address and a legal identity so they could be resettled and helped.

191 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:42:25am

Jill Kelley (Khawam). The Lebanese Mata Hari?
Conspiracy!!!!

192 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:47:02am

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

Jill Kelley (Khawam). The Lebanese Mata Hari?
Conspiracy!!!!

Ka-WHAM!!!

193 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:51:09am

re: #192 Sol Berdinowitz

Ka-WHAM!!!

The right has their conspiracy theories and the left is jumping on board. Bipartisanship!!!!
/

194 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:52:50am

Charles -- I got a question for you. When you blocked those addresses from China, was the block beginning with 111.22.xxx.xxx among them? That's allocated to China Mobile's WiFi service, which means I can't access LGF using my China Mobile WiFi account anywhere.

It's no big deal, as I can still get to LGF with my university account. But if there's a way around it, I'd appreciate it.

195 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:57:08am

Pat Robertson On General Petraeus, Paula Broadwell Affair: 'He's A Man'
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

So, Pat, I am now allowed to forget about morals? Wait, I need to be in a desert first....

196 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:57:50am

It's not illegal if you're a man!
/Pat

197 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:05:26am
198 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:06:02am

Wanna know what sucks? I could sit here and make stoopid jokes all morning long. But I gotta worky. See y'all tonight.:)

199 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:07:06am

me, too, bbl

200 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:07:36am

When I saw that segment of Paula Broadwell on the Jon Stewart Show, my first thought was she could totally arm-wrestle Michelle Obama.

201 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:10:00am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

When I saw that segment of Paula Broadwell on the Jon Stewart Show, my first thought was she could totally arm-wrestle Michelle Obama.

I remarked to my wife "She looks like a really expensive dominatrix".

202 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:14:22am

re: #201 Decatur Deb

I remarked to my wife "She looks like a really expensive dominatrix".

She must spend hours and hours with Mr. Shake-Weight.

203 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:19:04am

I could totally see Petraeus into ball gags and latex suits...

204 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:29:57am

re: #203 Flounder

I could totally see Petraeus into ball gags and latex suits...

The polite term is 'Mission-Oriented Protective Posture'.

Image: 134585136336.jpg

205 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:58:17am

This is not how you do it.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
NYS chose the highest bidder for DMV photos, black and white photos. This article is rather vague, maybe there will be more info forthcoming.

206 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:02:34am

Some more info if interested
The driver's license contract is rebid under the federal "Real ID" measure from the Department of Homeland Security to make licenses more secure and more states are expected to face similar contract decisions.

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

207 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:05:52am

re: #205 Flounder

The Post blows. Here's a slightly better, if still slanted, WSJ article.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Basically, the firms that lost had bids that were for things that didn't match specifications. The question is whether those specifications were actually communicated to the various companies.

208 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:08:50am

Thankyou Obdicut. NYSDOT is currently implenting something similar, called "best value bids" Which take out the responsible lowest bidder clause and leaves it open to politics.

209 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:11:42am

re: #208 Flounder

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by 'take out the responsible lowest bidder clause'.

Edit: or rather, why do you think NYDOT is doing that, and you understand this is not a story about taking out that clause, right?

210 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:22:19am
211 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:23:16am

re: #208 Flounder

Thankyou Obdicut. NYSDOT is currently implenting something similar, called "best value bids" Which take out the responsible lowest bidder clause and leaves it open to politics.

Um, no it doesn't. What 'best value' does is examine the equipment or services being purchased more closely. Some of the Hurricane Sandy repair projects are ripe for 'low-balling', where contractors give a too-low bid to win the contract, and then claim large cost overruns due to "unforeseen difficulties". Best Value means, in part, looking at bids to see if they are realistic and in line with what the job should cost. It's an anti-lowballing tactic.

212 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:27:57am

Okay Obdicut, it is a rather long story but I will try to keep it short.
Old NYSDOT bidding rules:
State puts together plans and proposals for a specific job, with measurable "items" paying the contractor for work. This job gets advertised, contractors submit bids, and the lowest responsible bidder is awarded the job (as calculated by each item).

"New" NYSDOT rules.
State wants a job built, contractor (actually a consultant) designs, builds and provides quality assurance for job. Award is based on "best value" which doesn't have anything to do with the price. Certain portions of the job will be weighed more than other portions of the job. Job is payed on a lump-sum basis, not individual items.

213 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:32:18am

Yes Dark you are correct, however, under emergency work, the work can be accomplished under force account, which is time + materials + 10 percent.
Lowballing competitive bidding = losing your shirt.

214 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:36:03am

re: #212 Flounder

No, dude, I know how the contracts work. I'm asking you to support the idea that 'best value' negates 'lowest responsible bid'. It's more an improved version of it, where 'responsible' is given a more thorough analysis.

215 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:38:13am

re: #197 Sol Berdinowitz

Khawam, bam, thank you ma'am!

Better sound quality:

216 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:42:03am

re: #213 Flounder

Yes Dark you are correct, however, under emergency work, the work can be accomplished under force account, which is time + materials + 10 percent.
Lowballing competitive bidding = losing your shirt.

Not if they have friends on the city council willing to shell out more money, nor is trying to force a large contractor to work easy (you have to go to court and they'll have good lawyers). And even if you can and do force them to finish at the initial price, it will take time and generate ill will. Better to bid the job out correctly the first time. That's what 'best value bidding' is about: Making sure that the accepted bid is actually going to deliver the needed value.

217 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:42:51am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

The Big Dig is one of the best examples of how 'best value' could have produced a much better result.

218 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:49:33am

re: #217 Obdicut

The Big Dig is one of the best examples of how 'best value' could have produced a much better result.

Quite Concur.

219 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:52:48am

Obdicut, Dark, I dont know if I will be able to answer your questions. How do you measure value?
I know how to measure $
Responsible low bidder means just that, add everything up, and that is the cheapest you can build the job.

220 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:00:27am

re: #219 Flounder

Obdicut, Dark, I dont know if I will be able to answer your questions. How do you measure value?
I know how to measure $
Responsible low bidder means just that, add everything up, and that is the cheapest you can build the job.

You measure value by looking at the equipment and resources a firm has allocated to the job. Then you compare those against your own internal estimates of what the job will require. That's the first step in detecting low-balling.

A second thing, and one that assumed relevance for good and bad in Boston's Big Dig is that a contractor may have a new way to build something the government hadn't really known about. Such innovation can promise real savings if it works, or a real boondoggle if it fails. The government needs to have people on staff who can review the new technique to determine its feasibility. If rebuilding a structure or tunnel in a new way will greatly increase its capabilities, it might be worth taking a higher bid in order to get those increased capabilities, since they will provide a better value (hence 'best value').

221 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:00:51am

re: #219 Flounder

Obdicut, Dark, I dont know if I will be able to answer your questions. How do you measure value?
I know how to measure $
Responsible low bidder means just that, add everything up, and that is the cheapest you can build the job.

You don't really seem to be reading what either of us are saying. The new system is basically the old responsbile low bidder with a bigger emphasis on 'responsible', since there's a lot of times where the bidder's underbid either to put the city/state in a poke by getting mostly through the work but then demanding more funding, or simply cutting corners as happened a lot in the Big Dig.

If you like the 'responsible' part of the responsible lowest bidder, why don't you approve of a more thorough evaluation of the bidder's ability to deliver what they're saying they can at the price they're claiming they can?

222 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:15:07am

I think I will just have to invite everyone over for dinner so we can discuss this further (I will cook, I won't let my wife poison you all). Remember your 7 P's
Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

223 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:19:21am

re: #222 Flounder

I'm sorry, I don't get what there is to discuss. Again:

If you like the 'responsible' part of the responsible lowest bidder, why don't you approve of a more thorough evaluation of the bidder's ability to deliver what they're saying they can at the price they're claiming they can?

224 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:19:40am

Aw come on, SteelPH, upding me! You know you want to! :)

225 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:21:53am

Oh, and this part isn't true:

Award is based on "best value" which doesn't have anything to do with the price.

Do you really think it doesn't have anything to do with the price? How would that make any sense?

226 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:24:17am

Obdicut, we are at two very different levels of understanding, and is far to complex for me to get into.

227 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:27:54am

re: #226 Flounder

Obdicut, we are at two very different levels of understanding, and is far to complex for me to get into.

Then just understand this: Contractors have figured out ways to try to milk local ans state governments and the federal government to make more money than they could honestly make. "Best Value Bidding" is a way to reduce the effectiveness of such tactics. It aims to save the contracting agency money, and sometimes encourage innovation.

228 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:27:58am

Here is some info if you have the time.
[Link: www.dot.ny.gov...]

229 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:28:28am

re: #226 Flounder

Obdicut, we are at two very different levels of understanding, and is far to complex for me to get into.

Bullshit. You're making claims and you can't back them up. The claim that how much it costs isn't even a factor is just an obviously, blatantly untrue thing.

Here is the law:

"Best value" means the basis for awarding contracts for services to the offerer which optimizes quality, cost and efficiency, among responsive and responsible offerers. Such basis shall reflect, wherever possible, objective and quantifiable analysis.

And later on:

Selection and award shall be a written determination in the
procurement record made by the commissioner or a state agency in a
manner consistent with the provisions of the solicitation. In the event
two offers are found to be substantially equivalent, price shall be the
basis for determining the award recipient
or, when price and other
factors are found to be substantially equivalent, the determination of
the commissioner or agency head to award a contract to one or more of such bidders shall be final. The basis for determining the award shall
be documented in the procurement record.

230 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:32:48am

Bidding requests
[Link: www.dot.ny.gov...]
Note the bond amounts, that is what the contractor must post in order to due the work. If contractor goes under, the bonding company must finish the work.

231 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:33:35am

Bid results
[Link: www.dot.ny.gov...]

232 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:34:26am

re: #231 Flounder

Why did you claim cost wasn't a factor when it was?

Did you just not know that, and, if so, why are you positing yourself as an authority on this subject?

233 Flounder  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:35:55am

I'm not trying to be an asshole Obdicut, I just don't have the time to lay out tall the info.

234 darthstar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:38:19am

Mornin' everyone.

235 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:38:47am

re: #230 Flounder

Bidding requests
[Link: www.dot.ny.gov...]
Note the bond amounts, that is what the contractor must post in order to due the work. If contractor goes under, the bonding company must finish the work.

Yes, but that costs time and lost time equals lost money (in the form of lost revenues from out-of-commission infrastructure). Again, better to get the bid right the first time.

SHSL, you're right that there are risks in best value, places where politics can interfere. But politics was already interfering under the old system. This is a case of a risk that just has to be taken.

236 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:40:23am

re: #233 Flounder

I'm not trying to be an asshole Obdicut, I just don't have the time to lay out tall the info.

Then lay out your case, fully if not comprehensively. Don't just cite documents; Tell us clearly why you think "Best Value Bidding" is a bad idea.

237 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:45:50am

re: #233 Flounder

I'm not trying to be an asshole Obdicut, I just don't have the time to lay out tall the info.

You have time to answer why you thought cost wasn't a factor when it is, don't you?

Or are you still trying to claim that, even after I provided the law for you?

238 darthstar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:49:19am

No means no, people.

239 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:53:59am
240 Locker  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:56:24am

With the assumption that we did get some new registrations I'd like to say "Welcome to you all and it's nice to have you!".... but I won't.

241 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:56:52am

re: #239 Gus

Douche nozzle.

Given the river of lies posted by that guy, I'd say he's enlarged his status from douche nozzle to full-on douche canoe.

242 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:00:24am
243 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:00:41am

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

Given the river of lies posted by that guy, I'd say he's enlarged his status from douche nozzle to full-on douche canoe.

244 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:01:12am

Good morning lizards!

245 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:15:27am

re: #244 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Good Evening to you!

246 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:19:28am

re: #243 Kronocide

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That's Ann Coulter, being the insulting rotter we all know and hate.

She is followed by someone who would have had a good zinger, but whose hashtag "#yourea****" turned his post into a nasty little bit of misogyny.

Call the reply "the outrigger to Ann Coulter's douche canoe".

247 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:20:08am

re: #242 Gus

I'll bet he'll have some 'splainin' to do ...

248 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:22:12am

re: #247 wheat-dogghazi

I'll bet he'll have some 'splainin' to do ...

Can't wait. What America needs is yet another senate/congressional hearing. There aren't enough and they're typically very productive. //

249 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:22:50am

re: #247 wheat-dogghazi

I'll bet he'll have some 'splainin' to do ...

Yes, but will Congress ask relevant questions or just DERP it up?

250 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:23:22am

Posturing and hot air, mostly

251 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:26:27am

re: #250 wheat-dogghazi

Posturing and hot air, mostly

Well, of course. But what the social conservatives really want to do is get Paula Broadwell (and perhaps Jill Kelley) in front of them. Nothing like an old-time slut-shaming to fire up the evangelicals, you know.

/I'm speaking in jest, but I'm not really kidding.

252 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:27:46am

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

Well, of course. But what the social conservatives really want to do is get Paula Broadwell (and perhaps Jill Kelley) in front of them. Nothing like an old-time slut-shaming to fire up the evangelicals, you know.

/I'm speaking in jest, but I'm not really kidding.

Ack. I really can't see them bringing up this whole affair thing. If they do then they'll really be jumping the shark. I doubt it will come up unless someone has something relevant.

253 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:30:02am

If CIA or military ops were compromised, then the committee can poke into it. If all this is just a bunch of horny people swapping partners, then Congress needs to STFU.

254 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:30:15am

I can see it now:

2012 Touching Under The Table Act

255 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:31:27am

re: #252 Gus

Ack. I really can't see them bringing up this whole affair thing. If they do then they'll really be jumping the shark. I doubt it will come up unless someone has something relevant.

Like I said, it was in jest. I was just pointing out how some evangelicals try to bring back matters of adultery to "The man was irresistibly tempted.", which is short for "The Devil made him do it, and he did so by acting through women."

256 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:32:13am

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

Samson and Delilah, for example.

257 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:34:33am
258 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:34:34am

Petraeus’s Bathsheba Syndrome

By Mackubin Thomas Owens

General David Petraeus is arguably the most consequential and renowned American military leader since World War II. His resignation because of an extramarital affair with his biographer, Paula Broadwell, has shocked Americans. L’affaire Petraeus has two parts that must be separated: his sexual relationship with Broadwell itself, and the link between the timing of the announcement of his resignation and the Benghazi attacks on September 11.

Here I will focus on the former. What led a successful general at the height of his power and influence to have an affair that undid all he had accomplished?

In 1993, Dean Ludwig and Clinton Longnecker co-authored an article for The Journal of Business Ethics titled “The Bathsheba Syndrome: The Ethical Failure of Successful Leaders.” The name of their piece comes, of course, from the biblical story of King David and Bathsheba, recounted in the Second Book of Samuel. David seduces Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite, and impregnates her. He later orders that Uriah be placed in the front ranks of the fighting, where Uriah is killed. Upon word of his death, David marries Bathsheba. God is displeased and sends the prophet Nathan to rebuke the king, who repents but is nonetheless punished by the death of his and Bathsheba’s child, and by the later civil war arising from the insurrection Absalom (David’s beloved third son) leads against Solomon (the second son of David and Bathsheba).

Ludwig and Longnecker, as well as others writing subsequently, have argued that the psychological impact of gaining power, despite many positive effects, also may unleash a dark side: the belief that one is too big to fail, that the normal rules do not apply. Thus even a leader of high moral character may succumb to the temptations that accompany the acquisition of power. The findings of Ludwig and Longnecker regarding the moral corruption of the powerful go a long way toward explaining Petraeus’s behavior.

For one, they argue that moral principles are more often abandoned in the wake of success than as a result of competitive pressure. Success tends to inflate a leader’s belief that he has a special personal ability to manipulate or control outcomes, an issue that particularly seems to have applied to Petraeus.

259 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:35:59am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

Shorter version: power corrupts.

260 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:38:33am

re: #259 wheat-dogghazi

Shorter version: power corrupts.

Sometimes people need to hear the long version. They need to know why and how it corrupts.

261 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:40:23am

re: #245 Mich-again

Good Evening to you!

Wassup man, where you been?

262 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:40:57am

Warning: Do not play any drinking games during the Petraeus hearings in which any amount of alcohol must be consumed whenever the word BENGHAZI is mentioned. That is all.

263 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:42:16am

re: #260 Dark_Falcon

True enough. But as weird as this whole affair is, I just can't worked up about it. Petraeus is fired, and the rest of this sorry cast of characters will all have to deal with their own personal consequences. If our operations were not compromised, and Jill Kelley is not a spy, then ho-hum.

264 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:42:27am

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan

Wassup man, where you been?

I'm in Port Elizabeth South Africa, heading out to dinner in a few with the plant manager here. Only here for a couple more days..

265 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:42:56am

re: #264 Mich-again

Do any sightseeing?

266 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:45:41am

Remember when shame was good? Things were much better then. We need to get back to the fundamentals of our Founding Fathers.

267 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:47:53am

re: #266 Kronocide

I am sure BF would love to bring back putting people in the stocks in the town square, public hangings, and stonings, too.


Sorry, all. Almost midnight here in the Middle Kingdom. Gotta get some shut-eye.

268 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:48:05am

re: #266 Kronocide

Remember when shame was good? Things were much better then. We need to get back to the fundamentals of our Founding Fathers.

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For example: Bryan Fischer should be ashamed of himself for writing that tweet.

269 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:48:06am

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

Jill Kelley (Khawam). The Lebanese Mata Hari?
Conspiracy!!!!

LOL! Are Alex Jones drones posting at DKos now?

270 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:49:32am

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

For example: Bryan Fischer should be ashamed of himself for writing that tweet.

LOL

271 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:50:32am

re: #265 wheat-dogghazi

Do any sightseeing?

Yeah Tsistsikamma National Park, the Neisner Heads, Storm River, Addo National Park. The scenery here is beyond incredible. I put up a few photos here..

272 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:50:59am

What did they know? When did they know it? How much pepper is in it?

Chorizo.

273 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:51:03am

re: #271 Mich-again

Sweet! I miss South Africa.

274 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:52:38am

re: #269 NJDhockeyfan

LOL! Are Alex Jones drones posting at DKos now?

The Kos always had its conspiracists, but their numbers were cut down in the last few years as part of an overall effort to improve the site's quality and get rid of destructive lunatics. But the less rabid conspiracists didn't get banned, they just stopped posting conspiracy theories much. But this kind of scandal will bring such people out of the woodwork, as what they peddle meets a sick desire for tawdry and salacious commentary.

275 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:53:09am

re: #271 Mich-again

Nice conduit porn on your webpage.

276 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:53:43am

Looks like the Israelis have had enough and are opening a can of whoopass on their terrorist neighbors...

277 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:54:56am

re: #275 Kronocide

Nice conduit porn on your webpage.

Hey those are stainless steel fluid delivery lines, not conduits. Hello!

278 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:55:00am

re: #270 Vicious Babushka

LOL

279 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:55:59am

re: #277 Mich-again

Hey those are stainless steel fluid delivery lines, not conduits. Hello!

I just noticed the yellow valves, I thought they were stickers at first. Nice work though.

280 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:56:03am

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

The Kos always had its conspiracists, but their numbers were cut down in the last few years as part of an overall effort to improve the site's quality and get rid of destructive lunatics. But the less rabid conspiracists didn't get banned, they just stopped posting conspiracy theories much. But this kind of scandal will bring such people out of the woodwork, as what they peddle meets a sick desire for tawdry and salacious commentary.

The poll says a lot about how many conspiracy kooks still remain there.

POLL
What role did Jill Kelley have in the Petraus affair?

Innocent victim 2% 20 votes
Co-adulterer 13% 130 votes
Spy 60% 594 votes
None 2% 25 votes
Fruitcake 21% 215 votes

| 986 votes | Vote

281 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:58:19am

re: #276 NJDhockeyfan

The traffic has clogged the IDF's server. I can't get to their blog site.

282 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:01:22am

CNN has an article up about Israel's smackdown on Hamas et al.:

An Israeli air strike Wednesday killed the head of Hamas' military wing, the first strike in what the Israeli military called a broader operation against terrorist targets.

The attack on a vehicle carrying Ahmed al-Ja'abari in Gaza was part of "an extensive program of direct offensive strikes against Hamas, Islamic Jihad" and other terrorist targets approved by Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz, the Israeli Defense Forces chief of staff, an IDF statement said.

Described by the IDF as a "surgical operation," the strike came after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned this week of pending retaliation by Israel for increased rocket attacks from Gaza.

Taher al-Nunu, a spokesman for the Hamas-led government in Gaza, confirmed that al-Ja'abari died in an Israeli airstrike. Medical sources told CNN that al-Ja'abari's bodyguard also was killed in the attack.

According to a CNN reporter, a total of eight Israeli strikes have occurred in Gaza Wednesday. No details were immediately available on the other strikes.

Angry crowds gathered at the heavily damaged vehicle that contained al-Ja'abari and his bodyguard, and analysts warned that the Israeli attacks could lead to an escalation in the ongoing conflict.

Car swarm pics?

283 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:01:33am

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

The traffic has clogged the IDF's server. I can't get to their blog site.

IDF launches Gaza op; kills top Hamas commander

Israel killed the military commander of Hamas in an airstrike on the Gaza Strip Wednesday, bringing the two sides to the brink of a possible new war.

The attack came despite signs that Egypt had managed to broker a truce between Israel and Palestinian militants after a five day surge of violence which saw more than 100 missiles fired out of Gaza and repeated Israeli strikes on the enclave.

Islamist Hamas said Ahmed Al-Jabari, who ran the organization's armed wing, the Izz al-Dinn Al-Qassam Brigades, died along with a passenger after their car was targeted by an Israeli missile.

"The occupation has opened the gates of hell on itself," Hamas' armed wing said following the targeted killing of its commander.

Top Hamas terrorist Ismail al-Ashkar said, "The resistance's options are now open and they include suicide attacks and quality attacks in Israel cities."

IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Benny Gantz has announced the launching of "Operation Cloud Pillar" against Gaza terrorists.

284 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:01:58am

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

CNN has an article up about Israel's smackdown on Hamas et al.:

Car swarm pics?

Car swarm video at the link above.

285 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:06:09am

PAMELA GODWIN FAIL

286 davesax  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:08:17am

Hey Charles, what's up? Long time no see! Hope all is well.

287 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:11:49am

Not sure how we missed this one, but Jim Hoft, the stupidest man on the internet is going full derp again.

This time, it's on the so-called "war on Christmas" - in Brussels.

Brussels Bans Annual Christmas Tree Display – It May Offend Muslims

Brussels replaced its popular Christmas tree exhibit this year at the city center due to concerns that it may offend the local Muslim population.
The Right Perspective reported:

Except it wasn't a "ban", and didn't involve any of this at all.

Many are not fans of Brussels’ modern art Christmas tree

A petition calling for a real Christmas tree in Brussels’ Grand Place has attracted 10,000 signatures.

Angering traditionalists, the Belgian city’s tourist board has commissioned a 25-metre installation made from screens that will put on light and sound displays.

Reassuring people that the festivities will be just as authentic, president of Brussels Tourism Philippe Close said: “Let’s be clear, there’ll be a Christmas tree and a nativity scene. Christmas traditions will be respected.

“The theme this year is “winter pleasures” at the huge Christmas market that has a worldwide reputation. We wanted to emphasize culture and modernity, so asked artists to reinvent the Christmas tree, which is actually a pagan symbol,” he explained.

There have been attempts to stir racial tensions, with some falsely blaming the switch from the usual real Christmas tree on offended Muslims.

288 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:15:02am

re: #286 davesax

Hey Charles, what's up? Long time no see! Hope all is well.

good to see you again, though I'm not Charles. Hope all is well for you.

289 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:16:57am

re: #284 NJDhockeyfan

Car swarm video at the link above.

The Israelis really ought to start launching follow-on missiles at car swarms. If the enemy is going to do you the willing favor of massing like that, you've got a great opportunity to kill a large number of their more fanatical men.

290 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:17:57am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

The Israelis really ought to start launching follow-on missiles at car swarms. If the enemy is going to do you the willing favor of massing like that, you've got a great opportunity to kill a large number of their more fanatical men.

I don't think that is a good idea, that is random killing which includes first responders, not targeting of the top bad guys.

291 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:19:36am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

The Israelis really ought to start launching follow-on missiles at car swarms. If the enemy is going to do you the willing favor of massing like that, you've got a great opportunity to kill a large number of their more fanatical men.

Um, how can you tell that people surrounding a vehicle are 'the enemy'?

292 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:21:38am

re: #291 Obdicut

Um, how can you tell that people surrounding a vehicle are 'the enemy'?

Everybody's the enemy

293 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:23:49am

re: #291 Obdicut

Um, how can you tell that people surrounding a vehicle are 'the enemy'?

What I was going to suggest was to issue a warning: "If we blow up a car, stay away from it If you run up to it and start pulling things or people out, you'll be considered a terrorist and treated as such."

That's how I'd do it, but Alouette's point is a valid objection. So I'm not going to actually advocate the idea any further, while I think about it.

294 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:26:09am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

The Israelis really ought to start launching follow-on missiles at car swarms. If the enemy is going to do you the willing favor of massing like that, you've got a great opportunity to kill a large number of their more fanatical men.

Not a wise idea. Israel know where the terrorists are as well as where their weapons factories and rocket launchers. Killing a group of Palestinians surrounding a burning car would would be used against their goal to stop the terrorist attacks.

295 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:27:45am

Freeper madness, November 14th edition.

This urban legend continues to draw hysterical and violent opposition from the alternate world's resistance forces:

Obama Admin,Democratic Party,UN Will Cancel the 2nd Amendment(Pried From My Cold Dead Hands)

Amid the bloodthirsty promises and nativist rants, Freeper "guardian of liberty" raises a lone voice of sanity:

Get a grip everyone. No treaty can userp (sic) the Bill of Rights.
Period.

296 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:29:50am

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

What I was going to suggest was to issue a warning: "If we blow up a car, stay away from it If you run up to it and start pulling things or people out, you'll be considered a terrorist and treated as such."

That's how I'd do it, but Alouette's point is a valid objection. So I'm not going to actually advocate the idea any further, while I think about it.

First responders are not and should never be regarded as "terrorists." Targeting first responders after an initial attack is something that terrorists do.

297 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:30:57am

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

What I was going to suggest was to issue a warning: "If we blow up a car, stay away from it If you run up to it and start pulling things or people out, you'll be considered a terrorist and treated as such."

That would violate the Geneva convention and normal human decency. You don't kill people who are trying to save other people's lives.

That's how I'd do it, but Alouette's point is a valid objection. So I'm not going to actually advocate the idea any further, while I think about it.

The idea is terrible, goes against the Geneva convention, would harden hearts against us, would produce civilian casualties including women and children, and would serve no legitimate military purpose.

We can kill terrorists and insurgents and what have you all day long and it will never end, Dark. We're not going to reform Palestine by killing large numbers of them.

I hope to hell that Israel's current incursion is well thought out and not brought about by pressure from the Avigdor crazies that Bibi has allayed with.

298 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:31:23am

They are still finding ballots in Florida....

Almost 1K ballots found in Broward elections warehouse

LAUDERHILL, Fla. (WSVN) -- Nearly a thousand ballots that were not included in Florida's final count have been found in a warehouse in Broward County.

Tuesday morning and into the night, there was a buzz of activity at the Voting Equipment Center in Lauderhill, a week after the general election. There was a recount going on for two commission seats that were too close to call, one in Hallandale Beach and another in Dania Beach. Workers had to count those votes manually.

Also keeping elections officials busy is the fact that 963 filled ballots were found in a warehouse. The supervisor of elections, Dr. Brenda Snipes, said this happens all the time, especially when dealing with paper ballots. Her department is not the only one to have seen more ballots added to the final number after the election, and they have until Nov. 18 to certify all the votes.

Snipes noted that it is a routine thing to look for these kind of mishaps after election night and she is just glad that they are now being tallied into that final count.

299 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:36:58am

Holy freaking wow, the Blue Jays made the deal of a century yesterday.

Being a former Expos fan, I've seen this show before. Their ownership pretty much blackmailed Miami.

300 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:41:30am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

The Israelis really ought to start launching follow-on missiles at car swarms. If the enemy is going to do you the willing favor of massing like that, you've got a great opportunity to kill a large number of their more fanatical men.

Whoah. Full stop.

If Israel enacts this policy I can pretty much assure you there will be many Palestinians around bombed vehicles and no actual terrorists.

301 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:42:00am

re: #299 dragonath


Since this is a good example of Florida dysfunctionality, here's a link detailing how badly Miami got ripped off. The same owners tried that con in Montreal but up there they were wise enough not to fall for it.

[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]

302 blueraven  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:45:03am

McCain, Graham and Ayotte in presser, call for select committee on Benghazi

303 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:45:07am

re: #300 Kronocide

Whoah. Full stop.

If Israel enacts this policy I can pretty much assure you there will be many Palestinians around bombed vehicles and no actual terrorists.

That's part of why I backed off of it. It's far too much a "total war" policy, and Gaza isn't a situation that calls for that. Use of such policies when dealing with insurgents often makes things worse. Gen. David Petraeus was correct when he ensured that point was put into the Army's Counterterrorism field Manual. Another example of why his downfall is such a crying shame.

304 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:47:21am

re: #302 blueraven

McCain, Graham and Ayotte in presser, call for select committee on Benghazi

Fuck McCain. He really ought to know better than this shit.

305 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:50:16am

re: #295 Shiplord Kirel

Freeper madness, November 14th edition.

This urban legend continues to draw hysterical and violent opposition from the alternate world's resistance forces:

Obama Admin,Democratic Party,UN Will Cancel the 2nd Amendment(Pried From My Cold Dead Hands)

Amid the bloodthirsty promises and nativist rants, Freeper "guardian of liberty" raises a lone voice of sanity:

UPDATE:

"He (Obama) is inviting foreign invasion"

'I honestly believe that there will be some kind of “manufactured” national tragedy that the government will use to convince people to agree to much stricter gun control. This will of course lead to tighter and tighter restrictions until eventually, the people who are pro-freedom will be in such a minority that the gov’t will feel emboldened enough to completely ban all/most firearms. Then the gov’t will be free to label those with guns as “terrorists” and there will be Gitmo type gulags all over this country."

The freepers are seriously going ape-shit on this one. The string is worth a look even for those who normally don't enjoy watching the antics of the crazy right. There is more to it than political voyeurism. It is a revealing and quite scary look into the current mental state of the right-wing gun culture. Some of these people are criminally insane. We are going to see a serious increase in violence from them.

306 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:52:26am

re: #302 blueraven

McCain, Graham and Ayotte in presser, call for select committee on Benghazi

* headdesk *

Assholes.

307 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:53:04am

re: #302 blueraven

McCain, Graham and Ayotte in presser, call for select committee on Benghazi

The hate and disdain displayed by McCain towards Obama was palpable. I have no problem with an investigation into the failures in Benghazi. McCain obviously is demanding a witch hunt.

308 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:53:36am

re: #306 makeitstop

* headdesk *

Assholes.

Gee, I wonder why McCain didn't call for investigations into any of these attacks?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

309 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:53:58am

re: #307 Joanne

The hate and disdain displayed by McCain towards Obama was palpable. I have no problem with an investigation into the failures in Benghazi. McCain obviously is demanding a witch hunt.

Still salty that O kicked his ass.

That old bastard can hold a grudge with the best of them.

310 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:54:20am

re: #302 blueraven

McCain, Graham and Ayotte in presser, call for select committee on Benghazi

Fiscal Cliff indeed. How about they review the various attacks on embassies during the previous administration?

311 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:55:03am

re: #304 Obdicut

Fuck McCain. He really ought to know better than this shit.

McCain is touted as some kind of foreign policy expert. All his actions (especially when he was running for president) displayed the opposite. Remember when Liebermann had to feed McCain his lines about (IIRC) Sunni and Shi'ite? It was an embarrassment.

McCain is a foreign policy expert is the same as Paul Ryan being a policy wonk. It just isn't so.

312 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:55:49am

re: #309 makeitstop

Still salty that O kicked his ass.

That old bastard can hold a grudge with the best of them.

This. Exactly.

313 blueraven  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:00:11am

re: #298 NJDhockeyfan

They are still finding ballots in Florida....

Almost 1K ballots found in Broward elections warehouse

Meanwhile they are still counting ballots in Arizona over a week after the election.

314 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:00:44am

re: #291 Obdicut

Um, how can you tell that people surrounding a vehicle are 'the enemy'?

They're brown.//

315 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:03:21am

THIS Giraffe, hates bad news, hates being woken up early, and ESPECIALLY hates both happening at once. If I were really a Giraffe, I would be kicking the shit out of some people right now. Venting helps.

316 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:04:31am

re: #302 blueraven

McCain, Graham and Ayotte in presser, call for select committee on Benghazi

Sarah Palin!

317 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:04:59am

re: #315 Dancing along the light of day

You could neck-whip someone.

318 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:05:48am

re: #317 Obdicut

I am dang near speechlees at this current clusterfuck.

319 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:06:13am

President Obama soon to hold his first full post-election press conference.

5 things to watch in Obama's news conference

Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama is scheduled to have his first news conference since March on Wednesday. It will be the 16th of his presidency and the first since his reelection last week. CNN's daily Gut Check asked those that cover Washington for what they'll be watching for. Here are five things:

320 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:06:41am

re: #304 Obdicut

Fuck McCain. He really ought to know better than this shit.

2002: U.S. Consulate In Karachi, Pakistan, Attacked; 10 Killed, 51 Injured.

2004: U.S. Embassy Bombed In Uzbekistan

2004: Gunmen Stormed U.S. Consulate In Saudi Arabia

2006: Armed Men Attacked U.S. Embassy In Syria

2007: Grenade Launched Into U.S. Embassy In Athens

2008: Rioters Set Fire To U.S. Embassy In Serbia

2008: Ten People Killed In Bombings At U.S. Embassy In Yemen

Did I miss the investigations and castigation of the sitting Pres after these attacks. Notice in those attacks 20 people died and 51 were injured. Fuck these political whores.

321 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:08:56am

re: #320 Eventual Carrion

I object to the use of 'whore' as a negative. Most prostitutes don't have a lot of choice in the matter. These guys are consciously choosing to attack the president on what they know is bullshit, even though it'll weaken America.

Prostitutes are on sounder ethical footing.

322 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:09:39am

re: #319 RadicalModerate

President Obama soon to hold his first full post-election press conference.

5 things to watch in Obama's news conference

It's going to be a tough news conference for the President.

Hard questions await President Obama at news conference

323 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:10:52am

re: #319 RadicalModerate

President Obama soon to hold his first full post-election press conference.

5 things to watch in Obama's news conference

Meh to the things written there.

Senior Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash asks, "Will the president do in his second term what Republicans as well as Democrats on Capitol Hill complain he didn't do in his first -- reach out?

"He told Jessica Yellin in her documentary that he doesn't have time to socialize because he has two young daughters. But he's got to eat lunch, right? Have coffee in the morning? Will he vow to make more of an effort to get to know lawmakers in his second term? By all accounts -- especially from Democratic lawmakers -- not doing that hurt him in his first term. Maybe he'll make more time over the next four years."

Double Meh.

324 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:12:01am

re: #323 Joanne

Meh to the things written there.

Double Meh.

I don't mean to be offensive, but Dana Bash is.... dim.

325 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:12:45am

re: #322 NJDhockeyfan

It's going to be a tough news conference for the President.

Hard questions await President Obama at news conference

Those are reasonable questions. The CNN list was stupid (color me shocked).

326 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:12:50am

re: #318 Dancing along the light of day

I am dang near speechlees at this current clusterfuck.

Angry Giraffe

I can just imagine the look...

327 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:12:51am

Lindsey Graham On Susan Rice: ‘I Don’t Trust Her’

But he implicitly trusted John Bolton.

328 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:13:04am

re: #322 NJDhockeyfan

It's going to be a tough news conference for the President.

He did just win an election.

I don't see any questions in there that are tougher than that.

329 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:13:18am

re: #324 makeitstop

I don't mean to be offensive, but Dana Bash is.... dim.

Well, THAT was polite. :-D

330 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:14:14am

re: #318 Dancing along the light of day

I am dang near speechless at this current clusterfuck.

Which clusterfuck is that? There's a lot of them these days.

331 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:17:07am

re: #327 dragonath

Lindsey Graham On Susan Rice: ‘I Don’t Trust Her’

But he implicitly trusted John Bolton.

Stole all your responses and posted them at the TPM link.

332 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:17:20am

re: #328 Obdicut

He did just win an election.

I don't see any questions in there that are tougher than that.

Four years ago Obama was kind of astonished that he actually won.

333 blueraven  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:17:21am

re: #327 dragonath

Lindsey Graham On Susan Rice: ‘I Don’t Trust Her’

But he implicitly trusted John Bolton.

And the other Rice. The one who said there were WMDs in Iraq based on Intelligence.

334 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:17:42am

re: #327 dragonath

Lindsey Graham On Susan Rice: ‘I Don’t Trust Her’

But he implicitly trusted John Bolton.

Susan Rice has been the ambassador to the UN for almost 4 years. I barely heard anyone complain. Anyone? Anything that they objected to or is this some more right wing paranoia?

335 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:17:55am

FBI investigating how Petraeus biographer Broadwell obtained classified files

The FBI is making a new push to determine how a woman who had an affair with retired Gen. David H. Petraeus when he was CIA director obtained classified files, part of an expanding series of investigations in a scandal that also threatens the career of the United States’ top military commander in Afghanistan.

Senior law enforcement officials said that a late-night seizure on Monday of boxes of material from the North Carolina home of Paula Broadwell, a Petraeus biographer whose affair with him led to his resignation last week, marks a renewed focus by investigators on sensitive material found in her possession.

“The issue of national security is still on the table,” one U.S. law enforcement official said. Both Petraeus and Broadwell have denied to investigators that he was the source of any classified information, officials said.

I think she has answered that question already.

Broadwell In October: "I Had Access To Everything"

“I was embedded with Gen. Petraeus in Afghanistan, and it was a little confusing to some of the folks there because I am also a military reservist with a top secret FBI clearance and then some,” Broadwell told an audience at an Aspen Institute event in October.

“I had access to everything, it was my experience not to leak it, not to violate my mentor, if you will,” she said. “He was a very close mentor.”

336 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:18:09am

re: #311 Joanne

McCain is touted as some kind of foreign policy expert. All his actions (especially when he was running for president) displayed the opposite. Remember when Liebermann had to feed McCain his lines about (IIRC) Sunni and Shi'ite? It was an embarrassment.

McCain is a foreign policy expert is the same as Paul Ryan being a policy wonk. It just isn't so.

Many people are attributed qualities they did nothing to earn. Most of the time it's happenstance and coincidence, or just plain bullshit. Romney was a business expert because he inherited a shitload of money (and a family name) and turned it into even more money through hostile takeovers and debt-loading. McCain is considered a "foreign-policy expert" because he couldn't fly for shit and was a POW (not knocking his service, but it in no way makes him an expert in foreign policy). Ryan has what, a BS in Economics? creates a budget that pretty much inflicts massive pain on lowly folks the media would scrape off of their shoe, and voila! expert!

It's infuriating at times, but this old saying applies; "a stupid person's idea of what a smart person sounds like." The news media tards know shit-all about, well, most everything, so if somebody sounds smart to them, or tells what what they want to hear, bingo, expert!

337 Lidane  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:18:19am

Wonka laughs at the secessionist douchebags:

Image: patriot.jpg

338 blueraven  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:18:26am

re: #334 Gus

Susan Rice has been the ambassador to the UN for almost 4 years. I barely heard anyone complain. Anyone? Anything that they objected to or is this some more right wing paranoia?

You know...Benghazi!!

339 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:18:58am

re: #338 blueraven

You know...Benghazi!!

Oh, right. Benghazi.

9/11.

340 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:20:05am

re: #335 NJDhockeyfan

Trusting what she says is silly. It may be the case that Petraeus was astonishingly stupid and let her have access. It's also possible that shirtless-FBI-guy let her have them.

No need to make assumptions; things will come out. This is hardly something that's going to be put aside until it's investigated up and down. FBI vs. CIA, especially.

341 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:20:30am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

It goes to show us that in a democratic society, we must remember that the people we put in power are humans wiht the same weaknesses and foibles we all share.

Which makes it important to maintain checks and balances, transparency and anwerability for their actions. Which is something we chuck out the door when we give them unlimited powers of search and seizure or any other powers over us.

342 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:20:58am

re: #335 NJDhockeyfan

FBI investigating how Petraeus biographer Broadwell obtained classified files

I think she has answered that question already.

Broadwell In October: "I Had Access To Everything"

This lady has made quite a mess.

343 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:22:06am

re: #339 Gus

Oh, right. Benghazi.

9/11.

Somehow it seems like the Conservatards want to invoke the Magical Balance Fairy and turn Benghazi into Obama's 9-11.

Out of all of the adjectives I can think of, pathetic is the most apt I can find.

344 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:22:54am

re: #340 Obdicut

Trusting what she says is silly. It may be the case that Petraeus was astonishingly stupid and let her have access. It's also possible that shirtless-FBI-guy let her have them.

No need to make assumptions; things will come out. This is hardly something that's going to be put aside until it's investigated up and down. FBI vs. CIA, especially.

"...I am also a military reservist with a top secret SCI clearance and then some"
-- Broadwell

345 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:23:13am

re: #342 Killgore Trout

This lady has made quite a mess.

Understatement of the day :)

346 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:23:18am

Hey, D_F, maybe you can divine what it is that the Republicans don't like about Susan Rice. I'm quite serious, I'd like to know what the deal is.

347 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:23:59am

re: #343 Ghost of Tom Joad

Somehow it seems like the Conservatards want to invoke the Magical Balance Fairy and turn Benghazi into Obama's 9-11.

Out of all of the adjectives I can think of, pathetic is the most apt I can find.

9/11 was like 1,000 Benghazis.

348 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:24:04am

re: #341 Sol Berdinowitz

It goes to show us that in a democratic society, we must remember that the people we put in power are humans wiht the same weaknesses and foibles we all share.

Which makes it important to maintain checks and balances, transparency and answerability for their actions. Which is something we chuck out the door when we give them unlimited powers of search and seizure or any other unchecked powers over us.

I'd suggest the amendment of your statement to correct the spelling of "answerability" and to add the word "unchecked" between 'other and 'powers'. My quote contains the proposed corrections. The second one is to deal with the fact that we must give government some powers over us, the key is to make sure that there are operational checks on those powers.

349 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:25:11am

re: #8 SteveMcG

When that giraffe lets go, it's gonna be nasty!

And prolonged. Giraffes can whizz for five minutes straight. I timed it in a zoo once. (OK, I'm quirky)

But why would the giraffe want to wander into a LEGO city?

350 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:25:47am
351 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:26:01am

re: #346 dragonath

Hey, D_F, maybe you can divine what it is that the Republicans don't like about Susan Rice. I'm quite serious, I'd like to know what the deal is.

Sorry, but I really can't give any insight into the matter. I just don't know enough about her to competently answer.

352 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:26:24am

re: #347 Vicious Babushka

9/11 was like 1,000 Benghazis.

Nuh-uh!

Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi !!!11ty

353 Lidane  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:26:27am

Austin has some unwelcome guests this week:

Westboro Baptists Hate Formula One

Ever wanted a chance to catch professional homophobes and veteran funeral disruptors the Westboro Baptist Church in action? Headed to the Formula One race at the Circuit of the Americas this weekend? Guess what! You can do both. Yup, the Westboro hate machine is rolling into Austin this weekend.

Yes, innovative hatemonger Fred Phelps is unleashing his offspring and assorted ill-wishers on Austin. Who's Phelps? He's the guy that always comes to fancy dress parties as the evil preacher from Poltergeist (or would if anyone invited him and he didn't think parties are a sign that you love Satan.) On their website [WBC link removed], the fringiest of the religious fringe have added this weekend's United States Grand Prix to their schedule of protests (please note, that schedule also includes pickets of Aerosmith and Bruce Springsteen.)

354 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:29:26am

re: #313 blueraven

Meanwhile they are still counting ballots in Arizona over a week after the election.

I'd not worry. there is a good reason the deadline for electoral votes is December. logistics are a bitch with tens of millions of paper ballots. There are always stray ballots. Heck that's one motivation for part of HAVA.

355 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:29:33am

re: #353 Lidane

WBC's lawyers must be getting ready for all of the upcoming lawsuits, or as Phelp's calls it, fundraising.

356 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:29:38am

re: #346 dragonath

Hey, D_F, maybe you can divine what it is that the Republicans don't like about Susan Rice. I'm quite serious, I'd like to know what the deal is.

Can there be any mystery? She goes on five Sunday talk shows and makes confident assertions about Benghazi that turn out to have been 180 wrong. We now know that "initial information", if there ever was any to the effect that there had been a demonstration before the Benghazi consulate, was false and was known to be false within hours after the attack began, and before it ended. By the time Rice went on her talk shows, the administration had had information contrary to everything she said, and had had it for days.

Maybe she was given her talking points and kept out of the loop. Used. If so, why hasn't she resigned? And maybe she knew better, even as she spoke.

Either way, she would begin her career as Secretary of State with zero credibility. That's a recipe for disaster. Part of the reason for the Kuwait war was that April Glaspie was not believed.

357 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:29:59am

The Republican Party: Weapons of Mass Distortion

358 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:30:43am

Next up: Benghazi-Palooza.

Mission accomplished, Senator McCain.

359 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:32:06am

re: #355 Ghost of Tom Joad

WBC's lawyers must be getting ready for all of the upcoming lawsuits, or as Phelp's calls it, fundraising.

A bunch of lawyers like that imagining they'll get into Heaven? They really must be delusional!

///

360 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:32:36am

re: #354 Daniel Ballard

I'd not worry. there is a good reason the deadline for electoral votes is December. logistics are a bitch with tens of millions of paper ballots. There are always stray ballots. Heck that's one motivation for part of HAVA.

It's not the presidential ballots that are concerning here, it is congressional races. AZ law (per Maddow last night) requires this be completed by this Friday (two days from now). There were more than 350k provisional ballots remaining outstanding with only 18k ballots being cleared yesterday.

Provisional ballots by mostly Latinos and mostly out of two counties because, mysteriously, those Latinos names were not added to the voting rolls when they registered.

Funny how that works.

361 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:33:48am

re: #352 makeitstop

Benghazi was worse than 9/11!
Benghazi was worse than the Holocaust!

362 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:34:18am

re: #361 Vicious Babushka

Invade Libya at once!

363 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:34:37am

re: #356 lostlakehiker

Is that true? I had read that there was confusion due to the people who attacked the Benghazi compound using the protests in the street (which were over the video) as cover.

Shit, I have read so much noise about this, at this point I don't have any idea what is true or not.

364 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:35:39am

re: #363 Joanne

Is that true? I had read that there was confusion due to the people who attacked the Benghazi compound using the protests in the street (which were over the video) as cover.

Shit, I have read so much noise about this, at this point I don't have any idea what is true or not.

I'd file lostlakehiker's comment under 'noise'.

365 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:35:57am

The IDF has posted astonishing footage on its YouTube channel claiming to show its "pinpoint attack" on the car carrying Hamas military chief Ahmed Jabari and his son.

366 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:36:25am

re: #365 NJDhockeyfan

The IDF has posted astonishing footage on its YouTube channel claiming to show its "pinpoint attack" on the car carrying Hamas military chief Ahmed Jabari and his son.

[Embedded content]

His son?

367 dragonfire1981  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:36:26am

I can already see this Petraeus affair becoming a feature film with John Travolta and Tom Hanks in major roles. Working title: Betrayed.

368 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:37:10am

re: #367 dragonfire1981

I can already see this Petraeus affair becoming a feature film with John Travolta and Tom Hanks in major roles.

"Sleepless in Benghazi"

369 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:37:24am

re: #363 Joanne

Is that true? I had read that there was confusion due to the people who attacked the Benghazi compound using the protests in the street (which were over the video) as cover.

Shit, I have read so much noise about this, at this point I don't have any idea what is true or not.

there are Higher Truths at stake here. These Higher Truths are that Obama coddles terrorists and hates America. Therefore anything we can say about B-zi that confirms these notions is serving a Higher Truth.

I am afraid that I cannot get High enough to perceive these Truths...

370 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:37:40am

re: #365 NJDhockeyfan

I always feel a little ambivalent about footage like this.

371 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:38:07am

re: #364 wrenchwench

I'd file lostlakehiker's comment under 'noise'.

And I'm sure there's a whole lot more coming down the road. McCain probably got every wingnut in the country all het up all over again.

Earplugs, anyone?

372 Lidane  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:38:30am

Dear Obama, If Texas Secedes, Can We Stay With You?

So the interwebs have been abuzz with the crazy Texas secession petition, whereby forces who never accepted the end result of the Civil War have asked President Obama to let Texas exit the Union. Now there's a counter-petition: If Texas is allowed to secede, Austinites are asking that they be allowed to stay part of the USA.

In the petition, currently open for signatures at [link removed], the authors ask the administration to allow "the city of Austin, Texas to withdraw from the state of Texas and remain part of the United States."

---SNIP---

This comes as other petitioners, equally sick of the secessionist nonsense, have asked Obama to deport everyone that signed a petition to withdraw their state from the United States of America or strip the citizenship from everyone who signed a petition to secede and exile them. By comparison, establishing Austin as a sort of free city in the middle of an Confederate Texas seems kind of awesome.

C'mon, people, we can do this! It only takes 25,000 signatures and we have to get a formal response from the White House. Call all your friends! We know the rest of the US wants to keep us! And what would happen to the a-HEM Texas economic miracle without Austin keeping if afloat? Plus, last time Henry Rollins came through town, he promised us Berlin Airlift-style supplies of porn and Stooges albums.

373 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:39:08am

re: #370 dragonath

I always feel a little ambivalent about footage like this.

War porn. Reminds me of the old LGF. Kind of gross really.

374 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:39:25am

re: #366 Gus

His son?

Apparently he was with his dad.

Report: Terrorist Mastermind's Son Also Eliminated

Initial reports indicate that not only was terrorist mastermind Ahmed Jabari eliminated, but his son as well. The two were traveling in a car in Gaza City when Israel Defense Forces engaged in a pinpoint surgical strike to eliminate them. The 52-year-old Jabari was behind countless rocket attacks on Israeli civilians as well as the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit.

375 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:40:24am

re: #374 NJDhockeyfan

Apparently he was with his dad.

Report: Terrorist Mastermind's Son Also Eliminated

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376 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:40:24am

re: #365 NJDhockeyfan

The IDF has posted astonishing footage on its YouTube channel claiming to show its "pinpoint attack" on the car carrying Hamas military chief Ahmed Jabari and his son.

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Looks like the used a low explosive kinetic missile. Carefully targeted to avoid civilian casualties. Nice shot. If only Hamas cared as much about Palestinian civilians.

377 Gus  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:40:49am

Eh. I better split. The war mongers are here.

378 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:41:42am

re: #375 Gus

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That's Gilad Shalit on the right, BTW.

379 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:43:12am

re: #378 Vicious Babushka

That's Gilad Shalit on the right, BTW.

Related to Gene?

380 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:46:05am

re: #356 lostlakehiker

Stop pushing this bullshit.

1. Her initial report was that a protest had been hijacked by armed attackers. That is not the same thing as saying that a protest got out of hand. It is acknowledging that armed, prepared attackers did attack.

1a. And this was based off of CIA talking points.

2. The militia did attack in response to the video. That's what fundamentalist nutjobs do. I do not understand the conspiracy theories about this.

3. What the fuck does it matter? This again is part of the conspiracy theories I don't understand. The attack is being investigated-- what is the supposed cover-up supposed to be covering-up, anyway?

381 blueraven  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:46:22am

re: #354 Daniel Ballard

I'd not worry. there is a good reason the deadline for electoral votes is December. logistics are a bitch with tens of millions of paper ballots. There are always stray ballots. Heck that's one motivation for part of HAVA.

There are still some unsettled state and local elections. Electoral votes aside.

382 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:46:38am

re: #377 Gus
War mongers? Nobody here wants a war.

So, that would be the guys launching the rockets at Israel all the freaking time.

JERUSALEM/GAZA (Reuters) - Palestinian militants indicated they were ready for a truce with Israel on Monday to defuse a growing crisis after four days of rocket strikes from the Gaza Strip into the south of the Jewish state.

383 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:47:00am

re: #366 Gus

His son?

Likely an adult or teenage son. Khalid bin Laden was 19 when the SEALs shot him dead right before doing the same to his father.

384 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:47:55am

re: #379 Sol Berdinowitz

Related to Gene?

Not that I know of.

385 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:49:42am

I am going to Israel in 2 weeks, I hope all this crap gets straightened out by then.

386 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:50:24am

re: #385 Vicious Babushka

You will have a wonderful trip!

387 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:51:13am

re: #382 Daniel Ballard

War mongers? Nobody here wants a war.

So, that would be the guys launching the rockets at Israel all the freaking time.

JERUSALEM/GAZA (Reuters) - Palestinian militants indicated they were ready for a truce with Israel on Monday to defuse a growing crisis after four days of rocket strikes from the Gaza Strip into the south of the Jewish state.

Exactly. Israel warned this turkey that it could not continue to tolerate his forces and other smaller Islamist groups firing rockets into Israel every day. He refused to act to stop the bombardment and has now met the the consequences for doing so.

This Israeli strike was the moral equivalent of the Abbottabad Raid or the Yamamoto Mission.

388 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:51:14am

re: #380 Obdicut

You know, I try to be careful when talking about the past, but what great event occurred that made people's threshold to outrage so low after Bush...?

Don't answer that.

389 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:52:03am

re: #386 Dancing along the light of day

You will have a wonderful trip!

Visiting my daughter & 5 grandbabies in Jerusalem!

390 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:52:04am

re: #386 Dancing along the light of day

You will have a wonderful trip!

Are you feeling better now, Floral?

391 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:52:40am

re: #385 Vicious Babushka

I am going to Israel in 2 weeks, I hope all this crap gets straightened out by then.

My friend's son just got out of the IDF after serving 2 years but he's decided to stay in Israel. His mom is scared to death about the recent upscale of threats and attacks on Israel.

392 erik_t  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:53:27am

re: #377 Gus

Eh. I better split. The war mongers are here.

I don't know what it is about mornings.

393 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:54:15am

re: #389 Vicious Babushka

See, a wonderful trip!

394 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:54:25am

re: #380 Obdicut

Stop pushing this bullshit.

1. Her initial report was that a protest had been hijacked by armed attackers. That is not the same thing as saying that a protest got out of hand. It is acknowledging that armed, prepared attackers did attack.

1a. And this was based off of CIA talking points.

2. The militia did attack in response to the video. That's what fundamentalist nutjobs do. I do not understand the conspiracy theories about this.

3. What the fuck does it matter? This again is part of the conspiracy theories I don't understand. The attack is being investigated-- what is the supposed cover-up supposed to be covering-up, anyway?

They're just completely off their rockers about this ridiculous non-story. It's pathetic.

395 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:54:59am

re: #390 Dark_Falcon

It's still a clusterfuck, but might be manageable.

396 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:55:34am

We've got people posting comments at LGF that sound just like the loons at Free Republic. Or like Bryan Fischer:

397 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:57:01am

re: #396 Charles Johnson

We've got people posting comments at LGF that sound just like the loons at Free Republic. Or like Bryan Fischer:

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I've heard it's the October Surprise with poor timing, and would have prevented Obama's reelection, if only something something something....

398 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:57:32am

If I had wheels, I'd be a wagon.

399 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:58:05am

re: #398 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

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If I had wheels, I'd be a wagon.

Or a garbage truck!

400 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:58:17am

re: #398 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

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If I had wheels, I'd be a wagon.

If I had wheels I'd be a bicycle.

401 erik_t  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:59:09am

re: #394 Charles Johnson

They're just completely off their rockers about this ridiculous non-story. It's pathetic.

They've been ranting for weeks and I still have no idea what they're even alleging. It's the strangest damned thing.

Usually a conspiracy theory falls apart at the 'how' or the 'why'. Even 9/11 troofers can at least agree on a 'what'.

402 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:59:30am

re: #377 Gus

Eh. I better split. The war mongers are here.

Would you be talking about these war mongers?

Hamas threatens to carry out suicide bombings

403 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:00:34am

re: #396 Charles Johnson

We've got people posting comments at LGF that sound just like the loons at Free Republic. Or like Bryan Fischer:

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That's their most fervent hope - that it will 'bring Obama down.'

Hey, screw the country, as long as the black guy gets put back in his place.

Idiots.

404 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:05:12am

re: #403 makeitstop

That's their most fervent hope - that it will 'bring Obama down.'

Hey, screw the country, as long as the black guy gets put back in his place.

Idiots.

The black guy DID get put back in his place: The White House.

405 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:05:14am

re: #402 NJDhockeyfan

Would you be talking about these war mongers?

Hamas threatens to carry out suicide bombings

...and the guy killed was an active terrorist leader and known hostage taker. I don't think letting him continue would be in the interest of peace.

406 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:06:47am

re: #401 erik_t

They've been ranting for weeks and I still have no idea what they're even alleging. It's the strangest damned thing.

Usually a conspiracy theory falls apart at the 'how' or the 'why'. Even 9/11 troofers can at least agree on a 'what'.

Usually the ones that try to explain "why" (CONNECT THE DOTS!!11) end up connecting the conspiracy of the moment to every past conspiracy, all the way back to the [secret] beginning of time, in an effort to weave a Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory which is of course internally contradictory and irreconcilably senseless.

407 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:07:18am

re: #401 erik_t

They've been ranting for weeks and I still have no idea what they're even alleging. It's the strangest damned thing.

Usually a conspiracy theory falls apart at the 'how' or the 'why'. Even 9/11 troofers can at least agree on a 'what'.

That's why I've largely left Benghazi alone in recent weeks. I'm fine with dissecting and understanding the tactics the terrorists used, because they brought a good deal of support fire to aid their assault. And I'm all for understanding the timeline and what could have been done differently. But I don't see any sort of "great conspiracy" at work. So as the discussion has veered into matters of tinfoil hats and mocking the nutbars who wear them, I've stepped back.

408 Henchman 26  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:08:19am

re: #315 Dancing along the light of day

THIS Giraffe, hates bad news, hates being woken up early, and ESPECIALLY hates both happening at once. If I were really a Giraffe, I would be kicking the shit out of some people right now. Venting helps.

I go flat when I vent.

409 blueraven  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:08:30am

re: #398 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

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If I had wheels, I'd be a wagon.

Right, because Petraeus could never speak of Benghazi ever again. This is just ignorant. It makes no sense whatsoever.

410 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:08:57am

re: #405 Killgore Trout

...and the guy killed was an active terrorist leader and known hostage taker. I don't think letting him continue would be in the interest of peace.

It's a great day when a terrorist like this guy is taken down.

Profile of a terrorist: Ahmed Jabari

Ahmed Said Khalil Jabari, was the most senior Hamas official to be killed by Israel since Operation Cast Lead four years ago.

Jabari, officially the second in command of Hamas's Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades but its de facto leader, has long been at the top of Israel's most wanted list.

Jabari has been credited with making the terrorist group's military wing increasingly more professional.

It was Jabari who personally oversaw the kidnapping and imprisonment of kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Schalit.

A shadowy figure who deliberately kept a low profile and rarely made public appearances, such was Jabari's involvement in the Schalit kidnapping that he allowed himself to be photographed last October as he escorted the IDF soldier to Gaza's Rafah Crossing on the day of his release last year.

After Schalit's release, Jabari said Hamas planned to kidnap more Israeli soldiers and officers, to use them as bargaining chips for the release of Palestinian prisoners.

The Hamas military wing leader even boasted to the al-Hayat newspaper that most of the terrorists released in the first wave of the deal to free Shalit had been collectively responsible for murdering 569 Israeli civilians.

...The pro-Hezbollah newspaper quoted Jabari as saying "as long as the Zionists occupy our land, there is nothing for them but death or departure from the occupied Palestinian territories".

411 jaunte  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:11:06am
Bryan Fischer: If Petraeus testifies Friday he got blackmailed/pressured from the top to lie about Benghazi, it could bring Obama down.

This month's "it could bring Obama down" fantasy.
Have they given up on Fast & Furious?

412 Henchman 26  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:11:19am

re: #400 wrenchwench

If I had wheels I'd be a bicycle.

If I had wheels I'd be on the road instead of waiting for my car to be fixed.

413 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:13:37am

re: #406 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Usually the ones that try to explain "why" (CONNECT THE DOTS!!11) end up connecting the conspiracy of the moment to every past conspiracy, all the way back to the [secret] beginning of time, in an effort to weave a Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory which is of course internally contradictory and irreconcilably senseless.

So the laser designator the CIA had in Benhazi should have designated a mortar positioned behind the Grassy Knoll?

///

414 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:13:42am

re: #400 wrenchwench

Giggles, you do have wheels, and you are working on (easy to fix) bicycles!

415 Henchman 26  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:16:43am

re: #414 Dancing along the light of day

Giggles, you do have wheels, and you are working on (easy to fix) bicycles!

And stop calling me Giggles.

416 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:18:41am

re: #410 NJDhockeyfan

It's a great day when a terrorist like this guy is taken down.

Profile of a terrorist: Ahmed Jabari

Still no reason to post footage of the explosion here. I think that might be what Gus meant by 'war-mongering', don't you?

417 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:21:18am

re: #416 wrenchwench

Still no reason to post footage of the explosion here. I think that might be what Gus meant by 'war-mongering', don't you?

No. It's a released video from the IDF. If that make me a war monger than so is the entire MSM because they are also posting it.

418 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:22:24am

This could be huge...

419 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:22:38am

re: #417 NJDhockeyfan

No. It's a released video from the IDF. If that make me a war monger than so is the entire MSM because they are also posting it.

Yes they are. Death sells, death with an explosion sells better.

420 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:25:33am

re: #417 NJDhockeyfan

No. It's a released video from the IDF. If that make me a war monger than so is the entire MSM because they are also posting it.

The entire MSM will monger anything that gets page views. The IDF, obviously, is a military organization. It is appropriate for them to monger war. I still don't think you need to post footage of an explosion that killed at least two people, no matter how justified the death of at least one of them was. You could post a link to it, or make a Page, or start your own blog. I'd rather have Gus back here than see footage of death being dealt.

421 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:26:22am

re: #419 Eventual Carrion

Yes they are. Death sells, death with an explosion sells better.

If there is no video they will be accused of carpet bombing or something. The video just shows the strike, and BTW unlike most YouTube feeds there is no ad revenue. So, it ain't about selling anything but the truth of the place and scope of the counter attack.

422 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:26:42am

re: #420 wrenchwench

The entire MSM will monger anything that gets page views. The IDF, obviously, is a military organization. It is appropriate for them to monger war. I still don't think you need to post footage of an explosion that killed at least two people, no matter how justified the death of at least one of them was. You could post a link to it, or make a Page, or start your own blog. I'd rather have Gus back here than see footage of death being dealt.

Don't click on the video if it bothers you that much.

423 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:28:12am

re: #422 NJDhockeyfan

Don't click on the video if it bothers you that much.

Don't address my points, since they bother you so much.

424 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:28:29am

GTG

425 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:29:49am

re: #423 wrenchwench

Don't address my points, since they bother you so much.

You points don't bother me at all. This is huge news that affects all of us. I will post another one if the IDF releases one.

426 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:30:55am

Youtube can issue a takedown notice of people singing their favorite songs, yet videos of people getting killed are de rigueur. Interesting times, indeed.

Fuck, I can't stand Hamas but when did snuff films become acceptable?

427 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:31:54am

re: #420 wrenchwench

The entire MSM will monger anything that gets page views. The IDF, obviously, is a military organization. It is appropriate for them to monger war. I still don't think you need to post footage of an explosion that killed at least two people, no matter how justified the death of at least one of them was. You could post a link to it, or make a Page, or start your own blog. I'd rather have Gus back here than see footage of death being dealt.

If you're going to kill a deadly enemy, the best way to do it is how the IDF did it: Public and either spectacularly or brutally. You need to make the point that he's dead because he attacked you crystal clear.

428 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:32:01am

re: #425 NJDhockeyfan

You points don't bother me at all. This is huge news that affects all of us. I will post another one if the IDF releases one.

Why don't you post a statement by the IDF, or their Tweets, as is being done in the next thread. What compels you to post images of death?

And since it doesn't bother you that this was my point, do you think that might be what Gus meant by 'warmongering'?

429 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:32:49am

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

If you're going to kill a deadly enemy, the best way to do it is how the IDF did it: Public and either spectacularly or brutally. You need to make the point that he's dead because he attacked you crystal clear.

Not by posting the footage at LGF.

I respect the IDF. I don't respect posting their videos here.

430 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:32:50am

re: #426 dragonath

Youtube can issue a takedown notice of people singing their favorite songs, yet videos of people getting killed are de rigueur. Interesting times, indeed.

Fuck, I can't stand Hamas but when did snuff films become legal?

It's the same as gun camera footage of strafing runs, which was shown in theaters during World War II.

431 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:33:11am

re: #425 NJDhockeyfan

This is huge news that affects all of us.

Yeah, I was hiding under my bed until they got this guy. Can sleep well now.

432 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:36:27am

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

It's the same as gun camera footage of strafing runs, which was shown in theaters during World War II.

Yeah, how wonderful is that. Now in real time, for the entire world to see.

433 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:37:08am

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

It's the same as gun camera footage of strafing runs, which was shown in theaters during World War II.

People expected to see those films in theaters at that time. That's where people got their news, besides the radio. They didn't have TVs. Anybody who wants to see that stuff now has a million options. I follow the IDF's twitter feed. I still don't see any reason to post snuff porn here. And I'd rather have Gus stay than support those who feel the need to post it.

434 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:38:30am

re: #422 NJDhockeyfan

Don't click on the video if it bothers you that much.

These videos are important and there's a reason why the IDF releases them. The video shows a clean and carefully targeted hit with care to avoid civilian casualties. Without the videos the terrorists, and their supporters/apologists within various news agencies would claim indiscriminate carpet bombing and war crimes. It's important that these videos be seen.

435 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:42:46am

re: #433 wrenchwench

People expected to see those films in theaters at that time. That's where people got their news, besides the radio. They didn't have TVs. Anybody who wants to see that stuff now has a million options. I follow the IDF's twitter feed. I still don't see any reason to post snuff porn here. And I'd rather have Gus stay than support those who feel the need to post it.

I understand how you feel. I'd only ask then that you not call it "snuff porn". It's got legitimate news value and as such is not "pornographic" as that term is generally understood (meaning appealing solely to "base instincts"). "Violent War Videos" seems a better term. Would that be acceptable to you?

436 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:43:13am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

These videos are important and there's a reason why the IDF releases them. The video shows a clean and carefully targeted hit with care to avoid civilian casualties. Without the videos the terrorists, and their supporters/apologists within various news agencies would claim indiscriminate carpet bombing and war crimes. It's important that these videos be seen.

I agree that there's a good reason for them to exist. I don't agree that there's a good reason for them to be posted here.

Do you think it's important for them to be seen by lizards who post at LGF in the morning?

437 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:43:28am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

These videos are important and there's a reason why the IDF releases them. The video shows a clean and carefully targeted hit with care to avoid civilian casualties. Without the videos the terrorists, and their supporters/apologists within various news agencies would claim indiscriminate carpet bombing and war crimes. It's important that these videos be seen.

You Warmonger!
//

438 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:44:07am

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

If you're going to kill a deadly enemy, the best way to do it is how the IDF did it: Public and either spectacularly or brutally. You need to make the point that he's dead because he attacked you crystal clear.

That's how Idi Amin saw it too (and many other dictators). Or put them on fucking pikes like Vald the Impaler did.

439 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:45:37am

re: #435 Dark_Falcon

I understand how you feel. I'd only ask then that you not call it "snuff porn". It's got legitimate news value and as such is not "pornographic" as that term is generally understood (meaning appealing solely to "base instincts"). "Violent War Videos" seems a better term. Would that be acceptable to you?

I think violence is a baser instinct than sex. I do believe these films have legitimate value. I don't think posting them here has legitimate value.

440 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:45:44am

re: #436 wrenchwench

I agree that there's a good reason for them to exist. I don't agree that there's a good reason for them to be posted here.

Do you think it's important for them to be seen by lizards who post at LGF in the morning?

Then don't watch them.

441 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:48:38am

re: #440 Killgore Trout

Then don't watch them.

That doesn't address any of my points. Usually I don't watch them. I watched this one so I was sure of what we were discussing. Watching that stuff doesn't really bother me that much. I refrain from identifying with those that are killed. Not everyone can do that. Some people are bothered by seeing the footage, others are bothered by the fact that they are posted here. I still don't see any justification for posting them.

442 allegro  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:50:43am

re: #398 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

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If I had wheels, I'd be a wagon.

If I had appeal, I'd be a banana.

Wait...

443 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:52:59am

re: #439 wrenchwench

I think violence is a baser instinct than sex. I do believe these films have legitimate value. I don't think posting them here has legitimate value.

I respect your opinion, though I don't agree. I'll try to keep from posting that sort thing when you are around.

[heading upstairs]

444 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:54:13am

re: #443 Dark_Falcon

I respect your opinion, though I don't agree. I'll try to keep from posting that sort thing when you are around.

[heading upstairs]

I'm still here. Gus left. Nobody wants to address that. Who knows who else may have left, or never entered because of this sort of thing.

445 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:57:47am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

That seems irrelevant since Hamas is going to declare the operation illegal anyway. Anesthetised war is still war. Really, I don't think posting videos like this is going to lead to the PR you expect.

446 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:19:58pm

Maybe that video is too explicit for this blog. Tossing out terms like "the war mongers are here" sucks too. I'm not blind to the undercurrents from the post 9/11 days here before my time. I might suggest those resentments might be a bit past the sell by date. Just my own thinking on it.

But lets not suppress discussion about Israel when they are in the breaking news. It seems to me posting a link to the video helps us define the scope and truth of the attack for ourselves. There is no lack of Israel derangement syndrome out there in the media. Wild accusations abound with Israel and the Palestinians.

447 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:22:46pm

re: #363 Joanne

Is that true? I had read that there was confusion due to the people who attacked the Benghazi compound using the protests in the street (which were over the video) as cover.

Shit, I have read so much noise about this, at this point I don't have any idea what is true or not.

There was no `protest in the street' at the consulate prior to the Benghazi attack. That's just a fact, a matter of public record. Not unless you count small arms fire and RPG's as "protest". The place was quiet, and then the attack began.

There was some confusion at first because of a natural conjecture that, with so many protests elsewhere, this may have started out the same and then ramped from there. We now know that's not how it went. The administration already knew that when Rice went out to her talk shows.

448 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:16:34am

re: #447 lostlakehiker

Rice was going off of CIA talking points.

Even if it were the case that they 'knew'-- as in, that they had some reports saying there wasn't a protest-- I do not get your guy's conspiracy theory about this. What is the deal? What is it you're actually suggesting was covered up?

449 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:20:14am

re: #425 NJDhockeyfan

You points don't bother me at all. This is huge news that affects all of us. I will post another one if the IDF releases one.

At least it's better than your previous posting of a video from a raving anti-semite conspiracy theorist, I guess.


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Outside Money Drives a Deluge of Political Ads
WASHINGTON -- An explosion of spending on political advertising on television -- set to break $2 billion in congressional races, with overall spots up nearly 70 percent since the 2010 midterm election -- is accelerating the rise of moneyed ...

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Rightwingconspirator
Washington, D.C., Handgun Carry Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional
I agree. Bans are not an option. Jurisdictions like DC will just have to deal with the fact that regulation is the path. Bans don't work. Bans are illegal and unwise. It's simple. we as a society have chosen to ...

2 days, 11 hours ago
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Romantic Heretic
Preventing Poverty Not Allowed As A Goal for Charity
The Canada Revenue Agency (Canada's equivalent of the IRS) has told OXFAM Canada that it cannot list 'preventing poverty' as a goal, only 'alleviating' it. The reason is "Relieving poverty is charitable, but preventing it is not." This is just ...

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Safer Era Tests Wisdom of ‘Broken Windows’ Focus on Minor Crime
While the apparent chokehold fueled much of the initial public outcry, community leaders have begun asking whether focusing police officers so intently on such petty offenses makes sense in a city that is far different and far safer than ...

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Over at the quirky Riddled blog, I encountered this music video link. I have the album, but I had last listened long ago, and I had forgotten the lyrics. The lengthy, moody intro slowly drew me back thirty five years, ...

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BadExampleMan
The painful futility of war
This makes me furious. These men pledged their loyalty to their country and their country betrayed them. It treated them as disposable, throwing their lives away in a war that was premised on lies, that was chosen gleefully, and that ...

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Mick Fanning Wins J-Bay Open 2014
More: MICK FANNING WINS J-BAY OPEN Finals day for the contest was run in perfect Supertubes conditions. Too bad Kelly Slater and Jordy Smith were eliminated in lesser quality surf - it would have been amazing to have both of ...

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Paris: Jews Fight Back Against Islamist Mob - Jewish World - News - Arutz Sheva
More: Paris: Jews Fight Back Against Islamist Mob - Jewish World - News - Arutz Sheva

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 Frank says:

Information doesn't kill you... -- Senate Hearing on "Porn Rock", 1985 during an exchange with a Born Again Christian.