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A BBC spokesperson has responded to the claims, saying to the best of their knowledge the vision was not staged.
"The footage shown by BBC News was edited from a longer sequence provided by the Reuters news agency in which the man in question is shown being lifted from the ground."
"He is then given attention at the roadside, before appearing later having recovered."
"Steps have been taken to ensure any re-broadcast reflects the full sequence so that is absolutely clear to our audience."
Looks fake. Am I missing something? I suppose the footage could be out of sequence and the guy was somehow injured later but the lack of apparent injuries and nobody seems injured around him makes me lean towards fake. Any thoughts?
I do have a passion for media malpractice. The partisan cable networks have blown the gasket on media BS but it happens with the real news outlets too. I think it's important.
I do have a passion for media malpractice. The partisan cable networks have blown the gasket on media BS but it happens with the real news outlets too. I think it's important.
BS. You defended Romney's lies and the media that did not call him out. Over and over and over.
I do have a passion for media malpractice. The partisan cable networks have blown the gasket on media BS but it happens with the real news outlets too. I think it's important.
Just follow the IDF twitter propaganda. It will keep your media legitimacy thingy well fed.
The bogus "Letter to an Anti-Zionist" which was allegedly written by Martin Luther King, Jr. (but totally was not), keeps circulating on Twitter. And every time I whack-a-troll by pointing out that it is fake they answer "But you can Google it!"
GAH.
Oh and I have been called an "Anti-Semite" for pointing out that this letter is fake.
It might be faked. It's happened before. But it's hardly a very dramatic injury to fake.
Hell, it could just be the guy fainting.
But there will be civilian casualties.
There never aren't civilian casualties in war.
One interesting thing I caught via ABC Nightly News at dinner tonight... the reporter re: Gaza said that local residents said they wish more rockets would be fired at Israel/for the rockets to never stop.
Not saying that's justification for what's going on there now, but it kind of does put things into perspective. Unfortunately.
If the video clearly showed a continuous scene in which the man was carried off and then got up and walked around, it would be a conclusive fake.
But this video cuts from the man being carried, to a message for several seconds, then to images of the man walking around.
Yes, it looks like the same man. But it's edited, with no way to tell what the real sequence of those two scenes is.
Agreed, inconclusive but it looks funky enough to be problematic. Either way, good honest scoop from Honest Reporting. I'm glad people are sstill watching out for this stuff.
Agreed, inconclusive but it looks funky enough to be problematic. Either way, good honest scoop from Honest Reporting. I'm glad people are sstill watching out for this stuff.
Moreover, its fair not to give Hamas the benefit of the doubt, while still extending that benefit to the IDF. This is because Hamas has faked casualties many times and the IDF has never put together a deliberately inaccurate version of events surrounding its counter-terrorist operations.
Agreed, inconclusive but it looks funky enough to be problematic. Either way, good honest scoop from Honest Reporting. I'm glad people are sstill watching out for this stuff.
Unless they can produce an unedited video that shows the real sequence of events, this isn't a scoop.
the fact that hollywood can create moving images that look more real than your teenage sister in too much makeup has not been lost on the rest of the world
while for decades photos and especially moving images carried considerable documentary weight, and negatives could be tested for artifacts, these days who the fuck knows
just wait till they get the holograms coming after you in your living room
the fact that hollywood can create moving images that look more real than your teenage sister in too much makeup has not been lost on the rest of the world
Sometimes following a thread on LGF is like watching an episode of Big Bang Theory.
I like to do both at the same time, and then try to figure out who comes closest to Sheldon...
Well, since they're going by BBC videos my guess is BBC just won't run the video anymore and pretend it never happened. They have enough problems.
Sorry, but a big honking cut right in the middle of the video, with one segment showing him being carried off and one segment showing him walking around, tends to set off warning sirens for me.
Hamas sometimes fakes casualties, agreed. But this edited video doesn't smell right.
Sorry, but a big honking cut right in the middle of the video, with one segment showing him being carried off and one segment showing him walking around, tends to set off warning sirens for me.
Hamas sometimes fakes casualties, agreed. But this edited video doesn't smell right.
This. I just finished posting a comment on Daniel's Page about it.
He knows he can get away with his trolling and intellectual dishonesty. Therefore you're wasting your time trying to get him to change. That's what he's admitting.
I can't think of a single StoryCorps story that ends happily. NPR, for all its faults, is the only thing I can stand to listen to on the radio, and every Friday morning when that damned acoustic guitar intro comes on, I know I'm in for a round of gut-wrenching misery and despair.
It's always people who fell in love and never followed up on it, only to have the object of their affection die in some awful way that could have prevented by the person telling the story, or 90 year-old WWII veterans tearfully recounting the nightmares they've had for the past 70 years about killing a young German soldier in the forest or watching his shipmates burn to death at Pearl Harbor.
The researchers were inspired by their observations in macroscopic ballistic tests in which a complex multiblock copolymer polyurethane material showed the ability to not only stop a 9 mm bullet but also seal the entryway behind it.
“The polymer has actually arrested the bullet and sealed it,” Thomas said, holding a hockey puck-sized piece of clear plastic with three bullets firmly embedded. “There’s no macroscopic damage; the material hasn’t failed; it hasn’t cracked. You can still see through it. This would be a great ballistic windshield material.
“We want to find out why this polyurethane works the way it does. Theoretically, no one understood why this particular kind of material – which has nanoscale features of glassy and rubbery domains – would be so good at dissipating energy,” he said.
He knows he can get away with his trolling and intellectual dishonesty. Therefore you're wasting your time trying to get him to change. That's what he's admitting.
"Steve, Didn't you work on building a military vehicle for Wayne Enterprises a few years back?"
"Yeah."
"Didn't it look exactly like the thing Batman is driving across the roof in this chase on TV?"
"Yeah."
"Wow, what are the odds?"
Those are of course always 'experimental'. This is because if the Army ever selected a Wayne Enterprises design for a large order, you'd hear something like:
"But more immediately, you'll have to give up crime fighting for the next 3 weeks Mr. Wayne. You've got to fly down to DC next week and smooze up some senators. And when you get back we'll have to have you work on setting up your Super PAC."
"Super PAC? Why can't I fight crime instead of making political donations?"
"Because sir, in order to get this contract we had to underbid and you'll need political support to get the extra money we'll ask for when the 'unexpected cost overruns' come up."
I can't think of a single StoryCorps story that ends happily. NPR, for all its faults, is the only thing I can stand to listen to on the radio, and every Friday morning when that damned acoustic guitar intro comes on, I know I'm in for a round of gut-wrenching misery and despair.
It's always people who fell in love and never followed up on it, only to have the object of their affection die in some awful way that could have prevented by the person telling the story, or 90 year-old WWII tearfully recounting the nightmares they've had for the past 70 years about killing a young German soldier in the forest or watching his shipmates burn to death at Pearl Harbor.
And for our "wrong-headed hater mocking" this evening, we have our 'fan club' at the Stalker Blog, where Rodan, AKA Daedalus AKA Dorkus deliberately misrepresents the response to my comment about Israel firing missile at 'car swarms' of Palestinians (later on the thread where I said the comment I walked it back). Dorkus isn't after me, he's attacking other lizards who were appropriately critical of me and calling them anti-Israel. Deranged Gellerism at it dishonest worst.
And for our "wrong-headed hater mocking" this evening, we have our 'fan club' at the Stalker Blog, where Rodan, AKA Daedalus AKA Dorkus deliberately misrepresents the response to my comment about Israel firing missile at 'car swarms' of Palestinians (later on the thread where I said the comment I walked it back). Dorkus isn't after me, he's attacking other lizards who were appropriately critical of me and calling them anti-Israel. Deranged Gellerism at it dishonest worst.
[waves to the Stalkers.]
They are deranged and yearn for the 2004 LGF. That's why we recoil to the points of 2004 that come up, & they pick up on it right away. Car Swarms & the Rooster = 2 things today.
They are deranged and yearn for the 2004 LGF. That's why we recoil to the points of 2004 that come up, & they pick up on it right away. Car Swarms & the Rooster = 2 things today.
They are deranged and yearn for the 2004 LGF. That's why we recoil to the points of 2004 that come up, & they pick up on it right away. Car Swarms & the Rooster = 2 things today.
Oh and the video that exaggerates casualties. Yeah, that one's been done before in 2004.
Real shit is happening now, give up the stupid cliches.
During Operation Cast Lead, there was a camera feed on a roof in Gaza, and the Lizards became very fond of a rooster who was, apparently, ignoring the entire barrage and continued to be heard crowing at odd hours no matter what.
He was actually very popular on a number of websites, and was apparently known to some as Gaza Bob.
During the 2006 war, Charles posted a thread that contained a live video/audio feed from Gaza. It was the middle of the night there, and once in a while you could see explosions, but there was a constant rooster crowing all night long, even though they are supposed to only crow at daybreak.
There was really nothing else to comment on during that live feed, except for the rooster crowing.
Oh and the video that exaggerates casualties. Yeah, that one's been done before in 2004.
Real shit is happening now, give up the stupid cliches.
Unfortunately, the faked videos have been a common enough thing that I've pretty much given up assuming that any set of photos or footage coming out of Gaza is valid until it's been poked at a bit.
And it doesn't seem to matter how much real shit is happening, either.
During Operation Cast Lead in 2008, there was a Internet streaming camera mounted in a tallish building Gaza that gave panoramic views of some of the airstrikes and sometimes gave clues as to where the ground fighting was happening. The camera had an audio pickup and was located close to where someone was keeping a rooster. At times the rooster could be heard crowing, and as a result he was known as the "Gaza Rooster".
Unfortunately, the faked videos have been a common enough thing that I've pretty much given up assuming that any set of photos or footage coming out of Gaza is valid until it's been poked at a bit.
And it doesn't seem to matter how much real shit is happening, either.
Daylife put their photo stream behind a paywall, so those Photoshop smokes or knife crops can't be spotted any more.
During Operation Cast Lead in 2008, there was a Internet streaming camera mounted in a tallish building Gaza that gave panoramic views of some of the airstrikes and sometimes gave clues as to where the ground fighting was happening. The camera had an audio pickup and was located close to where someone was keeping a rooster. At times the rooster could be heard crowing, and as a result he was known as the "Gaza Rooster".
11.7 miles by 11.7 miles. Fenced in with armed solders on the perimeter. Including armored personnel carriers, tanks, and typically F-16 air cover. Additionally the Iron Dome and 2 US naval fleets.
The theory here was that the Gaza Rooster was actually working for Mossad. I've seen it referenced on other sites with the assumption that it was facing down the IAF. Everyone sort of--projected onto the chicken.
The theory here was that the Gaza Rooster was actually working for Mossad. I've seen it referenced on other sites with the assumption that it was facing down the IAF. Everyone sort of--projected onto the chicken.
It wasn't healthy or helpful. Bummed it's a great memory today.
The theory here was that the Gaza Rooster was actually working for Mossad. I've seen it referenced on other sites with the assumption that it was facing down the IAF. Everyone sort of--projected onto the chicken.
Gaza Rooster is about laughing at the Palestinians and Hamas.
11.7 miles by 11.7 miles. Fenced in with armed solders on the perimeter. Including armored personnel carriers, tanks, and typically F-16 air cover. Additionally the Iron Dome and 2 US naval fleets.
If the people of Gaza want a better deal, they must cease their support of terrorism. It's their own fault Israel needs to maintain such tight security.
If the people of Gaza want a better deal, they must cease their support of terrorism. It's their own fault Israel needs to maintain such tight security.
Those who don't support terrorism still have to live in Gaza. You don't get a free ticket out by saying you don't support it. Except of the pine box variety.
During the 2006 war, Charles posted a thread that contained a live video/audio feed from Gaza. It was the middle of the night there, and once in a while you could see explosions, but there was a constant rooster crowing all night long, even though they are supposed to only crow at daybreak.
There was really nothing else to comment on during that live feed, except for the rooster crowing.
As the owner of a rooster and several hens I can say with accuracy that the darn things will crow whenever they darned well feel like it, not just in the morning. I woke up once at 3 am and the stupid bird started doing it.
Those who don't support terrorism still have to live in Gaza. You don't get a free ticket out by saying you don't support it. Except of the pine box variety.
I know. But Israel cannot let its guard down until the threat has been reduced greatly, and the changes that would lead to that threat reduction must come from within Gaza.
I've never heard of that one; must've been before my (LGF) time, like Baghdad Bob. Sounds like it's for the best that I remain ignorant.
People died after the bombings but the Gaza rooster always crowed since he survived the bombing. The audience laughed. Then one day the Gaza Rooster stopped crowing. It's like a right wing metaphor for Gazans dying and being of a lower life form then roosters.
I've never heard of that one; must've been before my (LGF) time, like Baghdad Bob. Sounds like it's for the best that I remain ignorant.
Baghdad Bob was...I think the defense minister for Iraq during the invasion. He became famous for saying something to the effect of "America soldiers are not in the city" or something when we had already taken most of everything. Bunch of .gifs were made of him, that quote, and a G.I.'s head poking up behind him.
If you know, then why the simplistic "It's their own fault"? That kind of group blame bullshit is and always will remain bullshit.
People are dying. Israelis and Palestinians. Citizens on both 'sides'. Imagine being a guy in Gaza who's decided Hamas are a bunch of fuckers. What do you exactly do? In what way can you effectively resist them? I have no fucking clue what I'd do, if I were an ordinary citizen in a place ruled by thugs. I bet I would keep my head down and try to look out for me and mine if I'd been raised there. I doubt I'd be a firebrand revolutionary trying to throw them over.
I don't know how a people can effectively fight back both against what's essentially a theocracy mixed with a military dictatorship plus a gigantic diet of propaganda. Saying that Gazans have to reject it is a fine statement, but how? Is there any parallel in history? In general, oppressive regimes fall from infighting and corruption, but Hamas isn't even a regime, they're not even that functional.
People died after the bombings but the Gaza rooster always crowed since he survived the bombing. The audience laughed. Then one day the Gaza Rooster stopped crowing. It's like a right wing metaphor for Gazans dying and being of a lower life forms then roosters.
She used to live in Tzefat, but her husband got a new job and now they live in Jerusalem, right near Liberty Bell Park.
I've always wanted to visit Tzfat. One of my mother's coworkers had to spend six months there, and he says it is the most boring place known to man, but he is not a spiritual type.
Of course, he grew up on Kibbutz Megiddo, with front-row seats to the end of the world, so I guess his standards for entertainment are pretty high.
Baghdad Bob was...I think the defense minister for Iraq during the invasion. He became famous for saying something to the effect of "America soldiers are not in the city" or something when we had already taken most of everything. Bunch of .gifs were made of him, that quote, and a G.I.'s head poking up behind him.
I've always wanted to visit Tzfat. One of my mother's coworkers had to spend six months there, and he says it is the most boring place known to man, but he is not a spiritual type.
Of course, he grew up on Kibbutz Megiddo, with front-row seats to the end of the world, so I guess his standards for entertainment are pretty high.
Tzefat is totally gorgeous. There is not much night life, but it is the classic Kabbalah source so you might spot a celebrity.
Baghdad Bob was...I think the defense minister for Iraq during the invasion. He became famous for saying something to the effect of "America soldiers are not in the city" or something when we had already taken most of everything. Bunch of .gifs were made of him, that quote, and a G.I.'s head poking up behind him.
Baghdad Bob was, in fact, fairly hilarious. I always took him for a guy who had a job to do, and was going to do it. He's in the UAE now, with his family, and I say, good for him.
Good good! Sorry about your troubles after the storm, we were kinda freaking out. You are thought of a lot, take it as that.
Funny to me tid bit about my life - I'm so into my Christmas tree. It's an artifical silver tree, I have a huge huge amount of 50's -60's glass ornaments. Well, my routine is to put it up day after Thanksgiving. Well, I'll be at my Dad's in SC, so I put it up yesterday so it will be there waiting for me on my return. (neighbors think I'm a little off)
Good good! Sorry about your troubles after the storm, we were kinda freaking out. You are thought of a lot, take it as that.
Funny to me tid bit about my life - I'm so into my Christmas tree. It's an artifical silver tree, I have a huge huge amount of 50's -60's glass ornaments. Well, my routine is to put it up day after Thanksgiving. Well, I'll be at my Dad's in SC, so I put it up yesterday so it will be there waiting for me on my return. (neighbors think I'm a little off)
Ah, the storm, yes. Thanks!
Ooooh, the tree sounds very sparkly. They don't make ornaments like those old ones anymore. Send me a pic when you get home!
As security forces and bystanders gathered at the scene, there was a second blast, leaving at least five people dead and 34 wounded.
"My child was killed! His friends were killed!" Shukriyah Rauf screamed after the blast, according to AFP. "There is no security here, our homes were destroyed!"
A separate attack in Kirkuk wounded seven street cleaners.
"The car bomb targeted our friends - they are not police, soldiers or politicians," said Jassim al-Obeidi. "They just wanted to make a little money."
Another car bomb targeted an army patrol in the nearby, predominantly Sunni town of Hawija, killing at least four people.
In the town of Hilla, south of Baghdad, a vehicle packed with explosives blew up near a girls' secondary school and a crowded poultry market, leaving at least six people dead and dozens wounded, among them reportedly schoolchildren.
A blast was also reported in the town of Bald Ruz, in the central province of Diyala.
In the capital, Baghdad, one person was killed and at least six were wounded in a series of blasts.
One of the explosions went off near the Palestine and Ishtar Sheraton hotels, two of the city's biggest, shattering nearby windows. Another blast was reported in the central Firdous Square.
Iraq remains broken. Afghanistan is broken. Palestine is broken. At this point I hope the Arab spring just produces one country that clambers into stability.
And all along the way, some people are making money off of this, and some people are getting power.
It seems to work pretty well but I think coverage is still thin.
It's like any active defense, having a finite limit of how many incoming rockets or missiles it can detect, track, and engage. Its tracking capabilities have recently been improved and it seems to be capable of defeating greater salvo densities than previously.
It's... I don't know how people live under the stress of it all. I'm quite certain living in a war zone like Israel, Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan, or any number of African countires for more than a few weeks would drive me utterly insane. I. Could. Not. Take. It.
It's... I don't know how people live under the stress of it all. I'm quite certain living in a war zone like Israel, Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan, or any number of African countires for more than a few weeks would drive me utterly insane. I. Could. Not. Take. It.
In some places, it's just a way of life. Obviously going from what we have here to a situation like that would be too big of a culture shock for most to handle.
It's a shame that many people can't get a chance to just enjoy life.
That's one of the reasons Doonesbury was great. It reminded us of that shit. Like when the Reverend is hiding El Salvadorans in the basement at Walden, and Mike is upstairs sobbing because he thinks his wife is leaving him. One of the El Salvadorans asks what's wrong, and Mike says he's lost his wife. The El Salvadoran sympathizes, saying that he lost his wife when Contras accused her of collaborating with Sandinista and executed her, so he understands the pain of losing a wife.
In some places, it's just a way of life. Obviously going from what we have here to a situation like that would be too big of a culture shock for most to handle.
I suppose most would adapt & survive like they did in WWII, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to find out, personally.
It's a shame that many people can't get a chance to just enjoy life.
That is just schizophrenic. Beauty of a flying bullet aimed at your head. Takes me back to the patriot missile videos so long ago. Positively Strangelovian.
That is just schizophrenic. Beauty of a flying bullet aimed at your head. Takes me back to the patriot missile videos so long ago. Positively Strangelovian.
I was just thinking about why that video seems so familiar to me. Maybe Brazil
Cheers!!!! It's only a #. That's what I tell myself.
Yeah...that's true.
I remember when I took 'time' for granted. An hour seemed like an eternity.
Now, I keep trying to figure out where the hell 'time' went.
That is just schizophrenic. Beauty of a flying bullet aimed at your head. Takes me back to the patriot missile videos so long ago. Positively Strangelovian.
Okay, I watched the whole 4th season of Sons of Anarchy on Amazon Prime this week, so now I'm gonna grab my iPad and see if I can catch up with this week's episode of Nashville and today's Rachel Maddow Show.
I leave you with a tribute to Nashville & message to all the awfulness in the world. Have a good night, everyone. (Even you, KT.)
Ronald Radosh takes to the pages of The Weekly Standard to give Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States the literary backhand it deserves. A sample from the article's third page:
Another event whose treatment reveals the shabby methods of Stone and his partner is Truman’s decision to drop the atomic bombs. Stone claims that Japan had already lost the war, that the Japanese military leaders were ready to accept a peace agreement, that major military figures including Dwight Eisenhower and Douglas MacArthur opposed the bombs’ use, that Truman reached the decision after ignoring the pleas of Nobel scientists, and that he did so to intimidate Russia and end the war against Japan before Russia could join it, as Stalin had agreed to do.
This is the thesis that Soviet agents and apologists like Carl Marzani, P. M.S. Blackett, and Dana F. Fleming laid out in the first years of the Cold War and which was revived (and lent legitimacy) 40 years ago by left-wing historian Gar Alperovitz. In the interim, however, major books and academic articles based on archival research in Japan and the United States—by Wilson D. Miscamble, Richard B. Frank, Robert James Maddox, Sadao Asada, and many others—have discredited the argument. But for Oliver Stone, there is only one truth, the “truth” that discredits the United States.
According to Stone, the dropping of the atomic bombs was criminal because the war was over, Japan defeated, and its leaders wanted peace. According to Stone, Truman lied when he said that American lives would have been lost in the invasion that would have been necessary if the bombs had not been dropped. His purpose in dropping the bombs was to show Stalin “that the United States would stop at nothing to impose its will.”
But as Richard B. Frank, author of the magisterial Downfall: The End of the Imperial Japanese Empire, wrote in these pages in 2005:
All three of the critics’ central premises are wrong: The Japanese did not see their situation as catastrophically hopeless. They were not seeking to surrender, but pursuing a negotiated end to the war that preserved the old order in Japan, not just a figurehead emperor. Finally, . . . American leaders . . . understood . . . that “until the Japanese leaders realize that an invasion cannot be repelled, there is little likelihood that they will accept any peace terms satisfactory to the Allies.”
In those last lines, Frank quotes from a July 1945 U.S. analysis of military and diplomatic intercepts. He adds, “This cannot be improved upon as a succinct and accurate summary of the military and diplomatic realities of the summer of 1945.” As for Stone, having dispensed with the facts, he is pleased to depict Truman as a moral monster and “war criminal.”
Colbert just now - "The President is about to pardon a turkey......What did the turkey know about Benghazi?!?!"
Colbert missed the story. The turkey Obama pardoned spent time in the same fowl run as the Gaza Rooster. B. Hussein Obama pardoned the turkey so that key intel would not get passed to Israel, proving once again how he worships Islam!!1
Thank you. My Grandma Beulah was a gum snapping, (she liked "cloves"), snazzy gal. She could have been running GM, but was allotted 4 kids and 50,000 clubs, bridge groups, church activities, etc., instead.
Okay...I just watched the most stupid movie. Looked like your average espionage hijack flick, but half way through, half the cast gets raptured off the plane...yeah, it's from the Left Behind series.
Funny thing about the film...the only "Christians" they developed in the film were killed by the terrorists...except the Captain, who was gut shot but survived long enough to get swallowed up in "the big suck"...the happily ever after finds our hero parachuting to safety (because he's got a biometric chip implanted in him - the mark of the beast - and he doesn't want to be part of the evil corporation) strapped to another heathen, the first class flight attendant...but it's to the safety of Bangkok, Thailand swallowed in flames and riots. So happy.
Oh, and there was an ordained minister who didn't get sucked and lamented about how he thought his good deeds would get him through to heaven...fucking Faustian. See...Ministers won't get sucked by god because they don't actually believe what they preach. Ironic, no?
Four kids alone is two full time jobs! That's why we have dogs. :-)
I've got one last story about Beulah ~ My mom, her brother, and two cousins were playing in the back of their grandpa's farm, running around. They all come running and screaming out of one of the sheds because they saw a snake. They tried to get all of the grown ups to do something about it, but they all blew them off. All except Beulah, who went into that shed and came back out with a big black snake in each hand, like some kind of Greek Goddess. sigh
Ideally, Casey St. Clair would be spending Thanksgiving relaxing and eating dinner with her boyfriend and his family.
Instead, the part-time Target employee and substitute teacher will work next Thursday night during the early kickoff of the big-box retailer's Black Friday sale. Stores will open at 9 p.m. on Thanksgiving this year, reflecting a wider shift in the retail industry toward getting a head start on the biggest shopping day of the year.
As it stands now, Toys R Us, Wal-Mart, Sears and KMart will be the first large retail chains to open their doors for bargain hunters at 8 p.m. Many other chains are open Thanksgiving Day, but their Black Friday sales don't start until midnight or Friday morning.
St. Clair, who lives in Corona, California, is scheduled to work Wednesday from 7 p.m. to 3 a.m. She'll return Thanksgiving Day before 9 p.m. and work until 5:15 on Friday morning. She has to sleep at some point, so traveling 45 minutes each way for Thanksgiving dinner is out.
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But after watching Black Friday sales start earlier each year, she decided the company had gone too far this time and started a Change.org petition asking Target CEO Gregg W. Steinhafel to forgo the plan to open stores on Thanksgiving.
"It's one of few days retail employees get to spend with their families, but at this point there's no time to see family," St. Clair said in a phone interview.
"My main issue is not with people wanting to shop; they can do that still, though I think that they can hold off until Friday without the world crashing down," she said. "My issue is that Target and other retailers have done something they have never done before in opening on Thanksgiving. My anger is aimed at the loss of a day that, up until now, was considered important enough for only the most essential services to be open."
As someone who has worked on Black Friday, I have agree with this. Employees need Thanksgiving to rest and relax. Starting Black Friday sales at 8-9pm on Thanksgiving will only result in tired and unhappy employees who are unable to serve the customers as well as rested ones could.
As someone who has worked on Black Friday, I have agree with this. Employees need Thanksgiving to rest and relax. Starting Black Friday sales at 8-9pm on Thanksgiving will only result in tired and unhappy employees who are unable to serve the customers as well as rested ones could.
I not only support her petition, I'd like to amend it to just demand retailers stop pushing Christmas shopping back further and further in the year. It's gotten to the point where people have to buy Halloween supplies in August because by the time Halloween rolls around, the stores are already in the process of switching over to Christmas.
Crap pay.
They keep most workers under the hours required for their health plan.
Idiotic work scheduling. They had me a 20 hours a week. But! My schedule had to be clear for most of the week as they changed those constantly.
Couldn't get the needed second job. There's a reason they have a very high turnover rate.
So, I left.
I not only support her petition, I'd like to amend it to just demand retailers stop pushing Christmas shopping back further and further in the year. It's gotten to the point where people have to buy Halloween supplies in August because by the time Halloween rolls around, the stores are already in the process of switching over to Christmas.
I demand not hearing Christmas music until mid-December!!!
One can tell that the next iteration in the UNFCCC's never ending annual meetings is about to take place (this next one in Doha, in one one of the most oil-guzzling per capita nations on the planet) because climate change is once again surfacing in the news (courtesy of the press release profession), and that AL GORE! is once again front and center:
I not only support her petition, I'd like to amend it to just demand retailers stop pushing Christmas shopping back further and further in the year. It's gotten to the point where people have to buy Halloween supplies in August because by the time Halloween rolls around, the stores are already in the process of switching over to Christmas.
It's gotten a bit better here in Chicagoland. This year the vast majority of stores waited till November 1st to put up their Christmas stuff.
One can tell that the next iteration in the UNFCCC's never ending annual meetings is about to take place (this next one in Doha, in one one of the most oil-guzzling per capita nations on the planet) because climate change is once again surfacing in the news (courtesy of the press release profession), and that AL GORE! is once again front and center:
Crap pay.
They keep most workers under the hours required for their health plan.
Idiotic work scheduling. They had me a 20 hours a week. But! My schedule had to be clear for most of the week as they changed those constantly.
Couldn't get the needed second job. There's a reason they have a very high turnover rate.
So, I left.
Sounds like my first job with Food Lion. Place had horrendous turnover, but I only found that out after I got hired. They brought me on as a bagger, but that was because they couldn't put "go-fer" on the government forms. We were responsible for bagging, keeping the restrooms clean, sweeping aisles, restocking bread, grabbing carts, and whatever other work they couldn't justify hiring dedicated employees for. Then about 3 months in, they decided to cross-train me as a cashier, so I had virtually no life, because on those days I didn't work as a bagger, I had to keep my schedule open in case they needed me to cover for another cashier.
Pay sucked, hours were lousy, and there were no benefits to speak of. Final straw was when they clued me in that, rather than 6 month evaluation period for the first raise they'd promised, it was actually 12 months. And even if they approved a raise, it had to wait til the district manager made his rounds for inspections, which might be another 6 months. I was already 9 months in when they told me that and I'd decided enough was enough.
The issue is whether handwriting ought to be a required subject in (grade) school.
I think it is a no brainer - of course it ought to be required. And that is not just because I learnt it.
As the article suggests, there is much to be said for the mutual development of our brains the development of our culture, evolutionarily speaking, as well as for the individual developmentally.
The BBC is to be lauded for, at times, producing some of the best documentaries (in the English speaking world, anyway) ever made.
However, there is a fatal flaw with the BBC, and it has been increasingly manifested the past few years in their documentaries. Their Britain-centric view of the world is strongly coloring their historical documentaries. Now, I guess that would be fine when they do histories of Britain (which they do often), but at other times it can still be downright tinged with colonial glasses when they give pretense at aiming bigger.
For example, in the recent major series Andrew Marr's History of the World, the presenter of which is not a historian or anthropologist by training, the early development of Homo sapiens is presented in a grotesquely simplistic manner, hung up on the Out of Africa theory in its most narrow and restricted (and now known to be wrong) sense.
And through all 8 episodes the changes in humanity continually gets narrowed down to funnel into the rise of Britain.
The BBC gets its funding by taking money from the UK taxpayers so I suppose it is only natural that said taxpayers want to hear that they are the center of the universe, but it is just more creationist-thought repackaged for the year 2012.
As I mentioned earlier today (now yesterday), this view that we (humans, or in this case one particularly tiny subset of humanity) are somehow the goal of all that went before, that we (however you want to scope "we") are special, is the essence of creationist thought, and though moderns like to think of themselves as not creationists, this we-are-the-special-endpoint-of-everything drive is common in secular media creations.
It's really, really hard to convince man he's not the center of the universe.
his 47% comment hit a lot of people in the gut: not just people who want "free stuff" but people who work hard, often at low-paying jobs. all they want is a fair chance to negotiate working conditions, health insurance and financial services.
that is what a responsible government should really be there for: to balance out the bargaining power between groups of individuals with limited resources and multi-billion, international corporations.
Someone down the street has Christmas decorations up.
All.
Year.
Round.
Drives me bonkers for some reason.
XD
In Germany, we have Käthe Wohlfart, a chain of stores that specilizes in Christmas stuff year-round. But at least its localized in the shops.
Our local grocery store started offering Christmas candy and Cookes in October already, but in general, public decorations do not go up until the staart of Advent, four Sundays before Xmas.
Freeper posts in thread about military commanders being "ensnared" in sex scandals, tries for conspiracy theory of some kind, achieves world class word salad indicative of mental breakdown instead...
Throwing out something. Two spellings of Orka or Orca. One spelling Orka. One spelling Orca. and the Or in both. We know Orka is a fish (very large fish, and the killer nickname) in the ocean. We know Orca is a corporation, or a project employed by the Romney Campaign to get out the vote, or is Orca something different from the two prior. Orca is recent or not? Breaking the two word down further. Take Orka. Is the state of Kansas implied or a fact in some sort of code? Now Orca. Is the state of California implied or code? Now look at the states. Am familiar with both states and facts and am at this point forgetting the implied of the implications. Sex, Sex, Sex. Agreement sex is being used as a distraction. Am not forgetting that also. Digging Deeper, but must back away for the moment.
I think he should have backed away a little sooner, like before he gave himself brain damage.
Mitt Romney says he is a numbers guy, but in the end he got the numbers wrong. His campaign was adamant that public polls in the swing states were mistaken. They claimed the pollsters were over-estimating the number of Democrats who would turn out on Election Day. Romney’s campaign was certain that minorities would not show up for Obama in 2012 the way they did in 2008. “It just defied logic,” said a top aide of the idea that Obama could match, let alone exceed, his performance with minorities from the last election. When anyone raised the idea that public polls were showing a close race, the campaign’s pollster said the poll modeling was flawed and everyone moved on. Internally, the campaign’s own polling—tweaked to represent their view of the electorate, with fewer Democrats—showed a steady uptick for Romney since the first debate. Even on the morning of the election, Romney’s senior advisers weren’t close to hedging. They said he was going to win “decisively.” It seemed like spin, but the Boston Globe reports that a fireworks display was already ordered for the victory. Romney and Ryan thought they were going to win, say aides. “We were optimistic. More than just cautiously optimistic,” says one campaign staffer. When Romney lost, “it was like a death in the family.”
Thank God these assholes didn't win and will never govern. I'm Whitey McWhite Guy here and I all but knew that black turnout was going to be high in this election, and for one simple reason. Since Obama had already proven once that he could get enough white people to vote for him to be elected President, even the most disaffected and cynical of supporters no longer had any excuse for staying home on the theory that he couldn't possibly win. Many people inclined to vote for him but for whatever reason hadn't the first time around were motivated to on their final opportunity to fix that.
The saddest are those who bet against a high minority turnout, who tried to tell us that it would be down this year, for no other stated reason than because that's what they wanted, what they needed to win. I don't think you need any kind of special insight into the modern minority experience or how people of other ethnic groups view the world to understand that they are people and that people, in general, are not going to roll over simply because you want them to.
The GOP has lost its ability to self-assess for bullshit. It's what comes from being the anti-science party. Once you throw science out, all you're left with is people's truthiness.
I believe that they expected to win. I think they thought the combination of attempts to suppress voter turnout, some kinda Bradely effect, and voters being disaffected in Obama because of the slow economic recovery would win out. That was their theory, and that the facts were contradicting it didn't matter, because in the GOP, theory matters a lot more than reality.
They have become what they red-facedy shout about: Ivory tower academics unable to engage with the real world, restlessly revising their theories without ever facing the facts.
They have become what they red-facedy shout about: Ivory tower academics unable to engage with the real world, restlessly revising their theories without ever facing the facts.
No, they are more like Medieval theologians: they are pursuing a Higher Truth, the Higher Truth of American Conservatism. The only facts they allow are the ones that serve this Higher Truth, and they are willing to bend facts to fit.
This is my favorite bit of straight up dumbshit thinking from the last few days. Daniel Greenfield, whoever the fuck he is, arguing that the GOP looks more like America because the percentage of minorities that vote for them more closely matches the racial breakdown of the country.
There’s America in gray. And the Republican Party in red right next to it. And there’s the Democratic Party off to the side looking nothing like America.
In all cases, the Republican vote is closer to the demographics of America than the Democratic vote.
He's actually arguing that it's somehow more "American" to be unpopular with minorities, on the simplistic basis that they are minorities. Apparently, if they were worth giving a shit about they'd make up a larger percentage of the population.
No, they are more like Medieval theologians: they are pursuing a Higher Truth, the Higher Truth of American Conservatism. The only facts they allow are the ones that serve this Higher Truth, and they are willing to bend facts to fit.
Actually medieval theologians used much better logic, and tended to be pretty pro-science.
I didn't mean they're like actual academics, but like the fantasy version they have of academics as these detached weirdos living privileged lives where they surround themselves with only the information they want and take no responsibility for the consequences of any of their theories. These people don't exist, but their closest living relative are GOP members.
He's actually arguing that it's somehow more "American" to be unpopular with minorities, on the simplistic basis that they are minorities. Apparently, if they were worth giving a shit about they'd make up a larger percentage of the population.
And how are blacks and minorities represented in leadership positions in business, politics and the GOP?
Oops, he forgot to tack on an explanation for losing the women's vote.
I mean, obviously his whole 'theory' is bullshit because math doesn't work that way. He lacks a premise-- okay these groups have various percentages of the population. How on earth does that relate to the percentage of the vote? He never even makes a real claim. Is the implied claim that the GOP's policies are better because they benefit white people more, as is good and proper, making a minority of minorities support them?
If you pin them to the wall on it, they wil simply maintain that it "illustrates the role that immigration policies affect the Hispanic vote" or something similar.
Oops, he forgot to tack on an explanation for losing the women's vote.
I mean, obviously his whole 'theory' is bullshit because math doesn't work that way. He lacks a premise-- okay these groups have various percentages of the population. How on earth does that relate to the percentage of the vote? He never even makes a real claim. Is the implied claim that the GOP's policies are better because they benefit white people more, as is good and proper, making a minority of minorities support them?
What a deeply stupid article.
Even if the vote were split more equally the percentages would still be wildly out of sync with the gray "America" on his idiotic graph. 50% of 13% of the population would still be far away from the 13% dot for blacks on that graph. Those charts and their accompanying article are utterly meaningless sophistry of the worst sort.
How about a graph that showed the actual percentage of votes by minorities cast in the election as compared to their percentage of the overall population? He wouldn't want to show that though would he? Because it would show that minorities are still very much under-represented among voters.
He's actually arguing that it's somehow more "American" to be unpopular with minorities, on the simplistic basis that they are minorities. Apparently, if they were worth giving a shit about they'd make up a larger percentage of the population.
He's doing an old accounting trick.
Classic example: An item cost you $8 to make, but you sell it for $10. How much profit does one piece return?
(A) 25% ( = (10-8)/8 )
(B) 20% ( = (10-8)/10)
A few of the commenters over there called him on his mathematics slight of hand.
Herbert is right. The comparison makes no sense. Taken to it's extreme, it means that since native Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders are 0.2% of the United States, the GOP should be thrilled to bits if a whopping 1% of them voted for Republicans.
Somebody on that thread actually took the time to do the math correctly...
Morty,
No, even though both parties are off, the Republicans are off by more. If we take the ratios given and make a room full of 1000 people for each group, here's how it would look (Note that I had to adjust the "America" numbers a little since the percentages given only add up to 97%. I used the same ratios to make it add up to 100%.)
America:
White 649
Hispanic 165
Asian 52
Black 134
Republican Voters
White 855
Hispanic 98
Asian 29
Black 18
Democrat Voters
White 482
Hispanic 217
Asian 70
Black 231
So both Republican and Democrats are off on whites by a similar amount; Republicans have more, Democrats have fewer.
However, when you get to the minorities, the Democrats are off by a factor of less than 2 for any given minority group. The Republicans, on the other hand, are off in the other direction by a factor of 7.4 in the case of blacks. So this makes the Republicans more different from America than Democrats.
Yep, nice to see that not everyone accepts this bullshit on face value. :)
And then there are the really deep thought comments like:
Mary Sue · 2 days ago
What I don't get is why so many Asians are in the tank for Obama.
David Howard · 2 days ago
Lots of Asians are envious of whites. Always have been. They want to bring "whitey" down. Republicans are more white than Dems, who are the party of envy. Elementary, my dear. Envy explains much of politics.
The ACLU files a lawsuit to force a Utah school district to keep a lesbian advocacy book on elementary school library shelves. Freepers explode in a paroxysm of rage...
The ACLU has filed a lawsuit to force a Utah school district to keep a lesbian advocacy book on elementary school library shelves.
ACLU = The American Communist Lovers Union.
In the Davis School District in Utah, children as young as kindergarten age can check out a homosexual propaganda book called In My Mothers’ House, about three adopted kids and their lesbian “mothers,”
Can they check out Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Rielly, Sean Hannity or David Limbaugh's books?
In Our Mothers’ House was added to libraries in five of the district’s 50 elementary schools after administrators learned that a Windridge Elementary student was being raised by lesbians.
My Condolences to the kid!!
A seven-member parent-teacher committee decided that the book would remain in library collections, but should be kept behind the counter instead of on the shelves.
Behind the counter like all ADULT BOOKS should be.
The legal director for the ACLU’s Utah chapter told Reuters that Weber read the story together with her 6-year-old daughter.
Warning, Ms Weber is raising her daughter (or is it her gf daughter?) to become a LESBIAN
Tina Weber said in a statement that, while other parents have the right to limit what their children read, they should not have any influence over what library books are available to others.
hey, DUMBA$$, a 6 y/o doesn't need to know about your IMMORAL LIFESTYLE!!!
“I don’t believe it’s for anybody else to tell me how to raise my family,” Weber said. “I would just hope to see the book get back on the shelf so all children have access to it.”
Translation: 'I don't care if I live IMMORALLY and I want all public school kindergarteners to have access to this WONDERFUL IMMORAL LIFESTYLE without their parents -- who needs a male anyway -- permission!!'
Davis School District spokesperson Chris Williams told Reuters that the district stands behind its decision to require students to have parental permission to check out the book.
Chris Williams, you are an ENABLER to the IMMORAL HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY!! You should tell that IMMORAL PERSON that the book will be sent to the dump.
Public Health Proposal Considers Mandatory ‘Smokers License’ WASHINGTON (CBS DC) – A public health proposal suggests that tobacco smokers should be required to apply and pay for a “smoker’s license” in order to continue buying cigarettes.
[Link: washington.cbslocal.com...]
Public Health Proposal Considers Mandatory ‘Smokers License’ WASHINGTON (CBS DC) – A public health proposal suggests that tobacco smokers should be required to apply and pay for a “smoker’s license” in order to continue buying cigarettes.
[Link: washington.cbslocal.com...]
Don't call it a "license", call it mandatory health insurance to cover the health risks.
Those secession petitions by the southern states are totally about states rights and overreach by the Federal Government right? Nothing racist about them at all, they have nothing whatsoever to do with immigration concerns or control of minorities. At least that is what the RWNJs keep telling us, well kinda sorta...
Go to 5:05 for if Southern states will continue to honor minority rights, the answer is "who knows?"
Funny thing though, when they talk about it amongst themselves some quite different reasons for secession get discussed, and some very different attitudes towards minorities.
*Warning Strong Racism* *Warning Strong Racism*
The majority will leave, certainly but there will be stragglers.
Assuming sane citizenship policies, miscegenation laws, etc.; what’s to stand between a white man and colored labor save for an oppressive government? If coloreds want to work as menial/manual labor they should be deloused and inspected by the respective state to ensure they’re disease free. Coloreds are then registered and micro-chipped. They give birth on company grounds with colored midwives.
Colored children must be provided some form of vocational training by their employer. If they are injured or ill the employer is entirely responsible financially. In the event a colored commits a crime the employer is billed for the room and board along with the lethal injection if deemed necessary. When they die, they’re to be buried on company grounds. In the event of overcrowding, white cemetaries and churches retain the right of eminent domain over colored boneyards.
This may seem harsh but after BRA crumbles the choice between a miserable post-entitlement existence and a job in the South will be tempting to many coloreds.
These two examples are from the same thread by the way, remember that next time someone tries to make secession sound like a reasonable "option" that is solely in response to bloated government. That is not what this is really about for many of its supporters!
Those secession petitions by the southern states are totally about states rights and overreach by the Federal Government right? Nothing racist about them at all, they have nothing whatsoever to do with immigration concerns or control of minorities. At least that is what the RWNJs keep telling us, well kinda sorta...
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Go to 5:05 for if Southern states will continue to honor minority rights, the answer is "who knows?"Funny thing though, when they talk about it amongst themselves some quite different reasons for secession get discussed, and some very different attitudes towards minorities.
*Warning Strong Racism* *Warning Strong Racism*
These two examples are from the same thread by the way, remember that next time someone tries to make secession sound like a reasonable "option" that is solely in response to bloated government. That is not what this is really about for many of its supporters!
It's not that these peawits have not thought secession through, they are not capable of rational thought beyond knee-jerk stimulus/response. This is all a massive temper tantrum.
The report mentions, as two examples, “A middle school teacher in New Hampshire, for example, will come face to face with the following: ‘Identify energy as a property of many substances.’ Pennsylvania offers the equally baffling ‘Explain the chemistry of metabolism.’ Such empty statements can do little to inform curriculum development or instruction, and give no guidance to assessment developers.”
[ ... ]
“Iowa schoolchildren are directed to: ‘Make appropriate personal/lifestyle/technology choices, evaluate, observe, discuss/debate, recognize interactions and interdependencies at all levels, explain, describe environmental effects of public policy, choose appropriate course(s) of action.‘ Such statements are devoid of any teachable content and leave teachers with no guidance as to how they can incorporate genuine scientific inquiry skills into their instruction.” Further, many states say nothing about the history of science, which is essential for teaching students how science works and how to be critical.
Woman pulls gun on man who exposed himself at lake “I put the magazine in my gun. I cocked it,” the woman said in an interview Thursday night. “I said, ‘You need to leave or Ill shoot you. I’m going to blow your brains out.’ ”
[Link: tdn.com...]
The speculation is that at least some of Hostess's properties will be bought up by the same conglomerate that topped the bidding the last time they went bankrupt, Bimbo Bakeries.
Which is huge, when you look at the brands they've got under their umbrella. So the Twinkie may yet live on.
It's also a reminder that we need to get back to some serious antitrust work in this country. We have far too much vertical and horizontal integration that is completely starving new businesses.
Ever since I learned that lyre birds can perfectly mimic most sounds, including car alarms, I wonder if the car alarms I hear every day are actually just a flock of lyre birds.
The speculation is that at least some of Hostess's properties will be bought up by the same conglomerate that topped the bidding the last time they went bankrupt, Bimbo Bakeries.
I know those guys- they bought out the local bakery. Since they're new to the area they put up a bunch of advertising displays at the store. They read:
Spite. Pure and simple. Officially, they say people aren't eating as much of their delightfully unhealthy products so they were forced to shut down. Their message to the employees however was just a tad different.
Now this will be used as an example of how evil unions are, look what they did to poor, poor, sad, helpless Hostess. Crap. Oh, and nice timing you assholes who run that company. Merry Fucking Christmas to you too, ya bastids.
Wal-Mart’s reputation as a Christian company has been one of the reasons the retail giant has been notoriously hard to organize. The company embedded itself in a particular brand of free-enterprise-friendly Southern evangelical Christianity that, as historian Bethany Moreton pointed out in her book To Serve God and Wal-Mart, helped win the loyalty of its massive corps of service workers.
But the combination of longtime workers feeling betrayed by the company, newer workers who never felt that loyalty to begin with, and the fact that for so many years the company paid lip service to Christian values in lieu of fair wages, is leaving Wal-Mart vulnerable to labor uprisings.
File under things I didn't know about Walmart.
The entire article is worth reading, and its links are worth chasing.
Ever since I learned that lyre birds can perfectly mimic most sounds, including car alarms, I wonder if the car alarms I hear every day are actually just a flock of lyre birds.
Mornin' everyone. Can't stay long. Need to lock up the house and head to the airport. Going to Sayulita for the weekend. Try not to be wrong while I'm gone.
If you've never seen WalMart: The High Cost of Low Prices, you should.
What will happen now is Bentonville company HQ will send in their corporate arm twisters to take over the stores in question from the manager. Employees will be threatened with termination after a few examples are made of the "troublemakers". Any union talk must be reported to the corporate headquarters and they take it from there. Lying, scare tactics and intimidation. Anything to get away with shitty working conditions, lousy wages and no benefits.
Did you know those cameras in the parking lots aren't really as much for security as they are to spy on employees? The company trains it's managers to be suspicious of employees talking to one another and then stopping when a manager is close by. That alone is enough to be suspicious union activity. I wish I were kidding. Go watch that documentary,it's worth the time.
If you've never seen WalMart: The High Cost of Low Prices, you should.
What will happen now is Bentonville company HQ will send in their corporate arm twisters to take over the stores in question from the manager. Employees will be threatened with termination after a few examples are made of the "troublemakers". Any union talk must be reported to the corporate headquarters and they take it from there. Lying, scare tactics and intimidation. Anything to get away with shitty working conditions, lousy wages and no benefits.
Did you know those cameras in the parking lots aren't really as much for security as they are to spy on employees? The company trains it's managers to be suspicious of employees talking to one another and then stopping when a manager is close by. That alone is enough to be suspicious union activity. I wish I were kidding. Go watch that documentary,it's worth the time.
Hi all. Long time lurker (before the Great Flounce) but I seldom post because you all say stuff way more effectively. But I do have a favor. Husband has started a petition at the White House to bring back our tariffs. We need 150 signatures before it will show up on the petition page. Here's the url: [Link: wh.gov...] Could you please sign it (if you agree that we need some parity brought back, of course) so it can get some notice?
Tariffs are a tricky subject, but I agree with the principle in general. I'd like the tariff structure to be related to worker's rights conditions in other countries.
Tariffs are a tricky subject, but I agree with the principle in general. I'd like the tariff structure to be related to worker's rights conditions in other countries.
Tariffs are a tool. They can be used for good or bad reasons, with the general result that at least initially products that are imported (and now subjected to tariffs) are now more expensive. Said expense then passed almost immediately onto consumers.
From there you might then get a substitute domestically produced at an effective competing price. Or, you might see a domestic industry hiding behind the tariffs to protect their profitability due to being unwilling or unable to compete in an international market.
They can be a useful tool, more short term than long to me. I'll sign it because I think they should be on the table, not so much that I think they'll be much more useful than as threat or, as Obdicut mentions, tied to overseas working conditions and wages.
Perhaps a tariff that is contingent on the prevailing wage in that country to raise the cost of the product to the same as it would cost at the prevailing wage in the US? Etc...
They're tricky. But at the end of the day, there's almost no point to us having labor laws if we just buy products from companies that don't have those labor laws. There's no point in telling a company it can't employ slave labor if it can do so abroad.
The US's biggest economic force is still access to our domestic market.
However, it is simply not true that costs get immediately passed on to the consumer. The price of any product is set by what the market will bear, and it isn't just production costs + X. It is the ideal price point where profitability and maximum sales intersect. Shifting the cost of production alters the profitability point but does not necessarily mean that the price of the product will change.
If widgets cost $1 to make, and if you sell them for $5 apiece the market will buy 100 of them, then you make $400 profit. If your production costs rise to $1.50 apiece and you decide to sell them for $5.50 apiece the market might only buy 90, and you only make $345.
They cover that in the film. Some stores even have the info printed up on where to go to get food stamps, medicaid and any state programs that help the working poor. This info is given to new employees and kept around for anyone who might need help. It's a long documentary,the cover what WalMart does to local businesses, how their insurance is a joke and impossible to afford on the wages they pay, their union busting, their environmental violations(while claiming to be "green"), the effect on Chinese workers, etc.
Some of all of it. Realistically, we do not think tarriffs will go back to the "old days" but we (as a nation) need a discussion on the subject and some media attention. And the workers rights, environmental issues, etc do need to somehow be tied to who we do business with.
Ever since I learned that lyre birds can perfectly mimic most sounds, including car alarms, I wonder if the car alarms I hear every day are actually just a flock of lyre birds.
They can be a useful tool, more short term than long to me. I'll sign it because I think they should be on the table, not so much that I think they'll be much more useful than as threat or, as Obdicut mentions, tied to overseas working conditions and wages.
Perhaps a tariff that is contingent on the prevailing wage in that country to raise the cost of the product to the same as it would cost at the prevailing wage in the US? Etc...
Tariffs are probably not the wave of the future, but might be a useful stopgap until we can unionize third-world economies like Myanmar and Alabama. Looking into WH.gov registration.
The GOP has lost its ability to self-assess for bullshit. It's what comes from being the anti-science party. Once you throw science out, all you're left with is people's truthiness.
I believe that they expected to win. I think they thought the combination of attempts to suppress voter turnout, some kinda Bradely effect, and voters being disaffected in Obama because of the slow economic recovery would win out. That was their theory, and that the facts were contradicting it didn't matter, because in the GOP, theory matters a lot more than reality.
They have become what they red-facedy shout about: Ivory tower academics unable to engage with the real world, restlessly revising their theories without ever facing the facts.
In a blog full of smart, intelligent political assessment, this one of the best comments I've seen. This is a walking definition of how conservatives are cultivating their own private 9/11 delusion, AKA Behnghazi.
Speaking of food stamps I just found out Florida EBT is down, again.
Ran my out of work upstairs 59 year old neighbor down to Publix so she could grab some stuff (her car registration expired on the 1st) and they wouldn't take her card. When we got back I checked online for her to see if it was her account or a defective card or what, and found out that the entire state is down.
Yeah I can totally see why everyone is quitting their jobs to stay home and get "free stuff" from the government...
Ever since I learned that lyre birds can perfectly mimic most sounds, including car alarms, I wonder if the car alarms I hear every day are actually just a flock of lyre birds.
I bought myself a liarbird
He came with free drinks just to blur
The lies falling out like rain
On an average English summer's afternoon
I bought myself a new notebook
Sharpened my guitar and went to look
If this biz was just as bongo as the liarbird made out
All he would say
Is ``I can make you famous''
All he would say
All he would say
``Just like a household name'' is
All he would say
Methinks world is for you
Made of what you believe
If it's false or if it's true
You can read it in your bible
Or on the back of this record sleeve
I bought myself a liarbird
Things got more and more absurd
It changed to a cuckoo
And expanded filling up with all I gave
I bought myself a big mistake
He grew too greedy, bough will break
And then we will find that liarbirds
Are really flightless on their own
All he would say
Is ``I can make you famous''
All he would say
All he would say
``Just like a household name'' is
All he would say
Methinks world is for you
There's no handing it back
If it's false or it's true
You can read it in your prayer book
Or on the side of a cornflake pack
I gave away a liarbird
A couple less drinks and now I've heard
The truth shining out like sun
On an average English winter's afternoon
Tariffs are probably not the wave of the future, but might be a useful stopgap until we can unionize third-world economies like Myanmar and Alabama. Looking into WH.gov registration.
Heh. How true... thought I'm usually calling Mississippi that...
I know those guys- they bought out the local bakery. Since they're new to the area they put up a bunch of advertising displays at the store. They read:
I don't know why that's funny, but it is.
I've been eating Bimbo products since I was a kid. They're huge in Mexico. If they acquire Hostess, that might force them to up the quality on their own pastries.
I went shopping at a Meijer store yesterday. There is the usual old guy greeter at the front door. I have made it a point so say hello, call him by his name, and ask how he's doing, etc.
I heard an amazing story about my friend's son in Israel who just got out of the IDF. He is currently in Tel Aviv now. He just got out 2 weeks ago and is waiting for word on which reserve unit he will be assigned to. His mom told me about what had happened to him on his birthday last August near his kibbutz in Sufa.
Reinstate the tariffs we enjoyed before the Reagan administration & force U.S. jobs back to the U.S.
Whereas the job losses incurred by the U.S. under the current W.T.O. treaties have left our country's economy damaged, and whereas transnational corporations find it profitable to export U.S. jobs in favor of virtual slave-wage workforces beyond our borders, We, the undersigned, petition the U.S. government to reinstate the tariff structure and tariff percentages prevalent before the establishment of the first Reagan administration, thus affording protection to our domestic industries and their attendant jobs, and thus removing the profitability inherent in the production and importation of products manufactured overseas.
The U.S. market is owned by U.S. citizens, we have the right to demand it be controlled for the benefit of U.S. workers.
Too wide in scope, I could support a narrower punitive focus based on violations of human rights and livable working conditions by overseas exporters but not this. This is not the 80s anymore and the fact is that far too many of America's needs are reliant on imports. Adding blanket tariffs to them would drastically increase the cost of doing business and living in this country and probably kick off a massive inflationary cycle.
That alone is enough reason for me to withhold my support even before I consider the ramifications of violating trade treaties and the ensuing damage from a trade war.
JERUSALEM -- Air raid sirens have just sounded in Jerusalem, signaling a possible rocket attack aimed at Israel's capital.
If verified, it would be the first time the holy city has ever been targeted by rockets fired by Gaza militants.
Israeli media say the rocket fell north of Jerusalem, but authorities have not confirmed the reports. In Gaza, Hamas militants said they had attacked Jerusalem.
Militants already have launched several rockets into Tel Aviv since an Israeli offensive was launched in the Gaza Strip on Wednesday.
There is also a 40% chance that a Hamas rocket fired at Jerusalem will claim Palestinian casualties.
It is really alarming and weird. First of all, they don't supposedly have any rockets that can get that far. Then they might kill Palestinians. Then they might damage incredibly important Islamic religious structures.
Of course, the entire policy of "Fire rockets at Israel" is also weird, since it, you know, doesn't actually get them anything.
It is really alarming and weird. First of all, they don't supposedly have any rockets that can get that far. Then they might kill Palestinians. Then they might damage incredibly important Islamic religious structures.
Of course, the entire policy of "Fire rockets at Israel" is also weird, since it, you know, doesn't actually get them anything.
10:16 AM
TwitterDan Williams @DanWilliams
Hamas said it fired a "locally made Qassam M-75" at Jerusalem - a rocket not heard of previously. Guess the number refers to its km range.
I don't know how to post tweets, but there you go.
10:16 AM
TwitterDan Williams @DanWilliams
Hamas said it fired a "locally made Qassam M-75" at Jerusalem - a rocket not heard of previously. Guess the number refers to its km range.
I don't know how to post tweets, but there you go.
Can't find info on rocket, must be new. Though, I caution the use of the '75' for its' range.
It is really alarming and weird. First of all, they don't supposedly have any rockets that can get that far. Then they might kill Palestinians. Then they might damage incredibly important Islamic religious structures.
Of course, the entire policy of "Fire rockets at Israel" is also weird, since it, you know, doesn't actually get them anything.
Since we don't have a "moonbat" font:
What else do you expect suffering desperate people suffocating under crushing blockade to do!1!ty
...On Friday afternoon, an air raid siren sounded in Tel Aviv, followed by an explosion caused by a missile landing in an open area.
Shortly after the air raid siren sounded in Jerusalem, Hamas' military wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, claimed responsibility for the rocket fired at the capital area. according to the organization, it fired a homemade rocket called Qassam M76.
The rocket Hamas fired at Tel Aviv is nicknamed Qassam M75.
It is really alarming and weird. First of all, they don't supposedly have any rockets that can get that far. Then they might kill Palestinians. Then they might damage incredibly important Islamic religious structures.
Of course, the entire policy of "Fire rockets at Israel" is also weird, since it, you know, doesn't actually get them anything.
I don't even want to think about the conspiracy freakout that will occur if a rocket hits something like the Dome of the Rock or even another holy site.
Well, that ups the ante. Fucking hell. At that range it'll be totally damn inaccurate too and they know that. What if they hit the Dome of the Rock? Or any number of other important Islamic historical locations?
Well, that ups the ante. Fucking hell. At that range it'll be totally damn inaccurate too and they know that. What if they hit the Dome of the Rock? Or any number of other important Islamic historical locations?
Well, that ups the ante. Fucking hell. At that range it'll be totally damn inaccurate too and they know that. What if they hit the Dome of the Rock? Or any number of other important Islamic historical locations?
Simple. They claim Mossad or Israel actually set off an explosive there and tried to blame it on their rockets.
:P
Well, that ups the ante. Fucking hell. At that range it'll be totally damn inaccurate too and they know that. What if they hit the Dome of the Rock? Or any number of other important Islamic historical locations?
Where did Hamas get them from? Perhaps Israel recently learned of them, hence the elimination of the Hamas leader.
Israel will take them out. It's going to be a bad weekend.
Where did Hamas get them from? Perhaps Israel recently learned of them, hence the elimination of the Hamas leader.
Israel will take them out. It's going to be a bad weekend.
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Rocket fell in an unpopulated area but the pro-Gaza contingent on Twiitter are claiming it fell on an "illegal settlement" and anti-Gaza contingent claiming it fell in an "Arab neighborhood."
Some of my friends on FB are falling into that trap, blaming the unions for the shutdown and not the short-sighted company.
NO ONE shuts their business down after 80+ years over a single strike. I don't buy it.
Not exactly a single strike. This is there second bankruptcy in in like 6 years. Every other union they deal with(the teamsters being the largest) agreed to the new contracts. The contract the bakers were striking over was actually imposed by a bankruptcy judge. I don't know any business owner who would shut down a profitable company out of spite.
Not exactly a single strike. This is there second bankruptcy in in like 6 years. Every other union they deal with(the teamsters being the largest) agreed to the new contracts. The contract the bakers were striking over was actually imposed by a bankruptcy judge. I don't know any business owner who would shut down a profitable company out of spite.
Second bankruptcy in six years for a company with annual sales in the billions?
Sounds like incompetent management to me. It's far too convenient to blame the unions and the strikes, IMO.
Well, that ups the ante. Fucking hell. At that range it'll be totally damn inaccurate too and they know that. What if they hit the Dome of the Rock? Or any number of other important Islamic historical locations?
They get to blame Israel no matter what. Wasn't there a poll over there that showed a very high 9/11 truther count? As in Israel/Zionists/Jews/US/Bush did it? Ah yes there was.
A World Public Opinion poll conducted between July and September 2008 found that 42% of respondents in the Palestinian territories believe Al Qaeda were responsible. 27% said the U.S. government were responsible, 19% said Israel and 9% named another country. 3% said they did not know.[30]
Partisan rumors most likely, just like the other tweet in his timeline telling him a missile hit at the location where he is and him saying he sees no evidence of it.
The charity founded by former professional cyclist Lance Armstrong has removed his name from the organization's title, a spokeswoman said Thursday.
Livestrong, the cancer-fighting charity co-founded by Lance Armstrong, seen in an October file photo.
What had been called The Lance Armstrong Foundation for 15 years will now be called the Livestrong Foundation in the wake of a report that accuses Armstrong of using performance-enhancing drugs to win his seven Tour de France titles.
Earlier this year, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency stripped Armstrong of those titles and any other honors he received between his comeback from life-threatening cancer in 1998 and his retirement from top-level competitive cycling in 2010.
All of Armstrong's major sponsors have since ended their relationship with him. Armstrong resigned as chairman of the Lance Armstrong Foundation, and earlier this week announced he was ending his relationship with the organization completely.
My son does this,I love him for it. He says hi, asks them how their day is going and when we leave the store he says the person's name and tells them to have a good day. He also does this with waitstaff in restaurants. I never taught him to do it, he just does. Such a sweet soul that boy has. I do it, but not as consciously as the kiddo does. I think it does matter to the worker bees out there, I know it made my day when I worked retail.
Second bankruptcy in six years for a company with annual sales in the billions?
Sounds like incompetent management to me. It's far too convenient to blame the unions and the strikes, IMO.
Most likely. I would give the lions share of the responsibility for the economic woes on the management. But the strike was probably the straw that broke the camels back.
Hostess has a ton of iconic names in it's portfolio so I have no doubt someone will buy the rights and recipes and probably sadly move the production to a right to work state.
5:35 P.M. Rocket lands in open area in Gush Etzion, directly south of Jerusalem (Haaretz)
5:01 P.M. Hamas claims it fired at the Knesset. Residents report sounds of explosion in the Jerusalem area (Haaretz)
4:50 P.M. Alarm sounds in Jerusalem area (Haaretz)
4:40 P.M. Iron Dome intercepts rocket volley toward Be'er Tuvia and Kiryat Malakhi (Haaretz)
4:25 P.M. Egypt's Morsi: "The new Egypt is completely different, and determined to stop the attack on Gaza" (Avi Issacharoff)
4:04 P.M. IDF Spokesman: Air force conducted more than 600 strikes in Gaza (Haaretz)
3:50 P.M. Gag order lifted: Three wounded by explosion in Eshkol Regional Council are IDF soldiers; two moderately wounded, one lightly wounded; all were hospitalized at Soroka Medical Center, Be’er Sheva. (Haaretz)
3:30 P.M. Since Operation Pillar of Defense began Wednesday, 550 rockets were fired toward Israel, of which 26 exploded in built up areas. By noon on Friday, Iron Dome missile defense system intercepted 109 rockets. The Israel Defense Forces has thus far struck more than 500 targets in the Strip (Haaretz)
My son does this,I love him for it. He says hi, asks them how their day is going and when we leave the store he says the person's name and tells them to have a good day. He also does this with waitstaff in restaurants. I never taught him to do it, he just does. Such a sweet soul that boy has. I do it, but not as consciously as the kiddo does. I think it does matter to the worker bees out there, I know it made my day when I worked retail.
I am by nature a surly person but I think these store greeters are treated like shit by everyone and you should acknowledge them and be nice to them. Also, it must be very painful for this elderly man to stand on his feet for hours on end. He probably has no health insurance from the store.
I am by nature a surly person but I think these store greeters are treated like shit by everyone and you should acknowledge them and be nice to them. Also, it must be very painful for this elderly man to stand on his feet for hours on end. He probably has no health insurance from the store.
I can totally see you as a walmart greeter.
*Don't hit me with that cane!*
Fischer has gone even further 'round the bend than usual:
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AFA needs to pull his public pulpit and let him fend for himself. It was bad enough before but in these last few months Fischer has gone off the rails. His public statements and broadcasts have gone beyond what the AFA can publicly support, hence the disclaimer they tack onto every one of his tirades. He is now vulnerable to a public shaming campaign based on his own words and the AFA would have to drop him.
The question is whether or not people so used to being outraged by Fischer's bigotry realize that it is now possible to bring him down finally.
Mission America head Linda Harvey is stunned that President Obama received an overwhelming percentage of the African American vote, and is now arguing that African American Christians cannot support Obama while believing in “the Lord’s vision of life and truth.” She says that black voters chose not to “choose candidates based on the content of his or her character” or “open their eyes” about Obama and instead were “swayed by race,” even though he has “insulted our Lord, our values and our faith.”
(Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel is "very worried" about an escalation of violence in the Middle East and calls on Hamas to immediately stop shooting rockets from Gaza into Israel, a government spokesman said on Friday.
"Hamas in Gaza is responsible for the outbreak of violence," spokesman Georg Streiter told a news conference. "There is no justification for the shooting of rockets at Israel, which has led to massive suffering of the civilian population.
"The Chancellor urges those responsible in the Gaza Strip to immediately stop firing on Israel. At the same time she calls on the Egyptian government to use its influence on Hamas to limit the violence and bring it to an end."
Streiter said the Israeli government had the "right and obligation" to protect its population.
HOUSTON -- An fire on a oil rig owned by a Houston-based energy company has left two workers dead and two more missing earling Friday morning off the coast of Louisiana, the U.S. Coast Guard in New Orleans confirmed.
[Link: www.khou.com...]
Most likely. I would give the lions share of the responsibility for the economic woes on the management. But the strike was probably the straw that broke the camels back.
Hostess has a ton of iconic names in it's portfolio so I have no doubt someone will buy the rights and recipes and probably sadly move the production to a right to work state.
Hard to do with baked goods, that is why the bakeries are already scattered across the entire country. The plants that are fully unionized are already a minority, without looking it up I think that 8-9 bakeries out of 34-36 actually went on strike while some of the other ones merely had picket lines of the baker's union members drawn from other businesses to represent the union?
Fischer has gone even further 'round the bend than usual:
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Fischer explained, because ever since major league baseball games have sung "God Bless America" during the seventh-inning stretch and "one of the reasons we haven't been hit since 9/11 is that we did learn that lesson, we needs as a people to go before God and ask for his protection":
Invading 2 countries, hunting down terrorists globally, and generally blowing up anyone who glanced at us sideways were definitely not a factor apparently.
Invading 2 countries, hunting down terrorists globally, and generally blowing up anyone who glanced at us sideways were definitely not a factor apparently.
Well, shit.
We could've all just went to baseball games to achieve world peace.
I see they're still pushing the conspiracy theory that the assassinated Hamas military leader was going to enact some sort of super secret peace plan. Idiots.
HOUSTON -- An fire on a oil rig owned by a Houston-based energy company has left two workers dead and two more missing earling Friday morning off the coast of Louisiana, the U.S. Coast Guard in New Orleans confirmed.
[Link: www.khou.com...]
After reading the news this am this just puts the icing on the cake of a really bad day. :(
Invading 2 countries, hunting down terrorists globally, and generally blowing up anyone who glanced at us sideways were definitely not a factor apparently.
But singing "God Bless America" at baseball games have also kept the North Koreans, displaced Bengal tigers, displaced polar bears, left-handed Lithuanian mimes, red-headed stepchildren of unemployed Irish tenors, and caribou from invading. Oh wait, the last were repelled by Sarah Palin's hunting prowess.
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Well, that poll shows that most Palestinians wouldn't believe Hamas if they claimed that, doesn't it?
I never heard what Hamas has to say in it's propaganda about 9/11.
But be that as it may, Hamas can easily claim Israel did it if the Dome or a home full of Palestinians gets hit gets. That population buys into their propaganda whole hog when it comes to Israel.
I never heard what Hamas has to say in it's propaganda about 9/11.
But be that as it may, Hamas can easily claim Israel did it if the Dome or a home full of Palestinians gets hit gets. That population buys into their propaganda whole hog when it comes to Israel.
Seems to be a human failing not solely restricted to parts of the Palestinian population.
I never heard what Hamas has to say in it's propaganda about 9/11.
But be that as it may, Hamas can easily claim Israel did it if the Dome or a home full of Palestinians gets hit gets. That population buys into their propaganda whole hog when it comes to Israel.
If you think about it this whole operation is designed by Hamas to kill Palestinians. The rockets serve no military purpose, targeting is very inaccurate and explosive power is too low. The rockets can barely kill civilians, far less than one percent of the rockets actually kill or even injure an Israeli. All these 100's of rocket launches achieve little else except eliciting a military response from Israel. It no problem for Hamas to target Palestinians directly and wouldn't hurt their popular support at all.
We need hearings on how the implosion of building seven is linked to the sex scandals designed to weaken our faith in intelligence agencies and military leadership and ultimately to how they both relate to...BENGHAZI!!!
(Xinhua) -- The armed wing of Hamas, Ezz el-Deen al-Qassam Brigades, said Friday that it has fired a long-range rocket at Israel's Knesset (parliament).
Of course not. Not the point I was making at all. All I'm saying is what i said in #387
If the Dome gets hit Hamas plays it to advantage via blaming anyone but themselves. I don't then expect to see Palsetinains rioting to blame Hamas instead.
Of course most Americans believe AQ did 9/11. Most Palestinians apparently do not. Our 25% that "question" it covers a spectrum of conspiracy theories. IIRC Israel did it is a tiny number.
Propaganda is not an exclusive factor there but it's undeniably important.
Most likely. I would give the lions share of the responsibility for the economic woes on the management. But the strike was probably the straw that broke the camels back.
Or it was the most convenient scapegoat.
Hostess has gone through six CEO's in the past ten years and this was their second bankruptcy in six years. Blaming the unions and their strike is easy. Blaming the idiots who ran the company into the ground is much harder.
Hostess has a ton of iconic names in it's portfolio so I have no doubt someone will buy the rights and recipes and probably sadly move the production to a right to work state.
The brands will survive just fine. I just hate that unions are being blamed for what was clearly failure at the management level.
Mohammed Morsi says Egypt "will not leave Gaza on its own" and warned the "aggressor to stop the bloodshed or face the wrath" of Egypt's new leadership and institutions.
Morsi spoke on Friday at a mosque near his house on the outskirts of Cairo. The sermon was his harshest condemnation yet of the Israeli offensive.
Morsi said he dispatched his prime minister to Gaza to send a clear message that Egypt supports the people there and will not tolerate the killing of civilians.
Very weird. The thing is obviously very inaccurate, and I can't see Hamas wanting to level the Dome of the Rock.
Wouldn't level it, it's a big structure. Could cause damage. But I suspect that they could use that capably for propaganda, and the Israeli government would end up paying repairs.
It does seem to indicate a real willingness to escalate this thing, not that there haven't been many, many signs of that already.
Hostess has gone through six CEO's in the past ten years and this was their second bankruptcy in six years. Blaming the unions and their strike is easy. Blaming the idiots who ran the company into the ground is much harder.
The brands will survive just fine. I just hate that unions are being blamed for what was clearly failure at the management level.
It would be interesting to see those CEO compensation packages. Did each of them get multi-million dollar parachutes?
Mohammed Morsi says Egypt "will not leave Gaza on its own" and warned the "aggressor to stop the bloodshed or face the wrath" of Egypt's new leadership and institutions.
Hmmm...I wonder if it is possible to start getting people to calling Fox Entertainment Media "FEM" instead of Fox News. I'd love to see it happen just to makes misogynist wingnuts admit that they watch "FEM" and defend their ludicrous talking points by citing "FEM."
I never heard what Hamas has to say in it's propaganda about 9/11.
But be that as it may, Hamas can easily claim Israel did it if the Dome or a home full of Palestinians gets hit gets. That population buys into their propaganda whole hog when it comes to Israel.
I don't think that the population does buy in 'whole hog'. I don't know why you think they do. If they launched a rocket that hit the Dome of the Rock, some people would blame it on the Israelis but a lot of other Muslim nations would also be outraged at the Palestinians.
They may have actually crossed a line here. I hope so.
Hmmm...I wonder if it is possible to start getting people to calling Fox Entertainment Media "FEM" instead of Fox News. I'd love to see it happen just to makes misogynist wingnuts admit that they watch "FEM" and defend their ludicrous talking points by citing "FEM."
Hey a man can dream can't he? ;)
Do their ardent backers then get nicknamed "FEMinistas"? That might confuse Rush!
HOUSTON -- An fire on a oil rig owned by a Houston-based energy company has left two workers dead and two more missing earling Friday morning off the coast of Louisiana, the U.S. Coast Guard in New Orleans confirmed.
[Link: www.khou.com...]
Wouldn't level it, it's a big structure. Could cause damage. But I suspect that they could use that capably for propaganda, and the Israeli government would end up paying repairs.
It does seem to indicate a real willingness to escalate this thing, not that there haven't been many, many signs of that already.
Yup. But the mosaic work would go away bigtime. Much is constantly deteriorating. One of the Arab rulers paid for extensive restoration, IIRC.
Do you have any example of effective or lasting outrage at the PLO or Hamas from the Arab nations? I can't think of any off hand.
I don't recall them ever potentially blowing a chunk off the Dome of the Rock before. But as for outrage against them, I mean, Jordan is perpetually outraged against them.
I don't recall them ever potentially blowing a chunk off the Dome of the Rock before. But as for outrage against them, I mean, Jordan is perpetually outraged against them.
I'm having trouble taking a threatened building more seriously than living human beings. I find that to be outrage worthy all by itself.
The Senate passed a resolution by unanimous consent Thursday night supporting Israel’s strikes on Gaza earlier this week.
S.Res.599 expresses “vigorous support and unwavering commitment to the welfare, security, and survival of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state with secure borders, and recognizing and strongly supporting its right to act in self-defense to protect its citizens against acts of terrorism.”
I'm having trouble taking a threatened building more seriously than living human beings. I find that to be outrage worthy all by itself.
Ehh...people die almost every day over there, they have been doing so for more than sixty years now. The Dome of the Rock being hit by a missile would be something completely new and newsworthy, unlike all the humdrum day to day death tallies. You simply have to look at these things in their proper perspective to understand the interest shown to them...
Assassinated Hamas military commander was working on a “permanent cease-fire” proposal
It's the same self-promoting bullshit by Gershon Baskin, who made up his own "peace plan" and has been shopping it around to his BFF's in Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
He is a private citizen and has no authority to conduct any negotiations on behalf of anybody, even assuming that Hamas and Islamic Jihad would do anything other than laugh in his face (or shoot him in the face).
It's like Roseanne Barr claiming to negotiate with Iran.
We need hearings on how the implosion of building seven is linked to the sex scandals designed to weaken our faith in intelligence agencies and military leadership and ultimately to how they both relate to...BENGHAZI!!!
Samsonite used to do commercials with gorillas and such beating up on their luggage. Doing a LAPES drop with it would probably make a good commercial as well.
I don't recall them ever potentially blowing a chunk off the Dome of the Rock before. But as for outrage against them, I mean, Jordan is perpetually outraged against them.
Jordan doesn't make much of a public show of that, though. Mostly, they just want distance. Enough distance to cede their WB claim to the PLO.
Back from the doctor. No results till Monday, though I can tell you the session was significantly different from the last time a cute Eastern European girl, warm gel, hand held devices, and an exam table and I were in the same room together.
Before the election, Cindy Jacobs hosted a "Reformation Day" prayer rally in which speaker after speaker prayed/prophesied that President Obama would be defeated and Jesus glorified in the election. Among the speakers was Dutch Sheets, who proclaimed that the "systems of anti-Christ" that bound the nation would be broken ... but that obviously didn't happen, as Obama was re-elected, which has prompted Sheets to now declare that God's wholesale judgment is about to rain down on this nation because "God has put up with all of the mocking He intends to from Barack Obama":
"Yeah, I was sitting next to God at the bar after work, and he kept nursing his scotch and talking about how he was tired of Obama's shit. True story."
I'm having trouble taking a threatened building more seriously than living human beings. I find that to be outrage worthy all by itself.
Well, yes, but then again, the Western Wall is adjacent to al-Aqsa, and I find myself quite nauseated at the thought of it being damaged.
Practically speaking, any harm to a major Muslim or Jewish site in Jerusalem will get enough people killed that I'm pretty comfortable fretting over the safety of the buildings.
It's the same self-promoting bullshit by Gershon Baskin, who made up his own "peace plan" and has been shopping it around to his BFF's in Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
He is a private citizen and has no authority to conduct any negotiations on behalf of anybody, even assuming that Hamas and Islamic Jihad would do anything other than laugh in his face (or shoot him in the face).
It's like Roseanne Barr claiming to negotiate with Iran.
Baskin's not quite that far gone, but the idea that peace was in our grasp and then THIS happened is pretty far-fetched, which seems to be what he's suggesting.
He was involved in talking to people about getting Shalit returned, no? Was he a significant player, or does he just like to have coffee with people?
Pastor Kevin Swanson of Generations Radio this week said that Democrats are deviously working to “strip back” government control over marijuana and homosexuality “in order to maximize the immorality of the people” and “increase the size of government.” The “Democratic vision in a nutshell,” according to Swanson, is “to make sure everybody is committing homosexual acts and they’re high on drugs, and then they vote for Democrats to increase the size of government and provide pretend security for the people high on drugs.”
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Swanson continued his tirade by declaring that since Americans are “not voting for pro-life candidates,” they are “pro-abortion” and “just love to kill kids.” He further proclaimed that “what women really care about is the ability to kill their children.”
Baskin's not quite that far gone, but the idea that peace was in our grasp and then THIS happened is pretty far-fetched, which seems to be what he's suggesting.
He was involved in talking to people about getting Shalit returned, no? Was he a significant player, or does he just like to have coffee with people?
He CLAIMS he was involved in getting Shalit returned. I don't think anyone else has acknowledged that he had anything to do with it. He is just a private citizen with no authority to negotiate about anything and not a member of any government body.
Just read that article. Want to read the report as the article makes claims that...
ok. Did the IAEA really say, "Iran is poised to double output of higher-enriched uranium that can be turned easily into the core of a nuclear warhead." Or is most of that interpretation based on the underlying fact that Iran has recently doubled the number of working centrifuges?
And since I've seen another article, I notice there's no mention that Iran has also massively increased the conversion of the existing 20% to fuel plates - things that basically can't be turned to weapons without basically treating them as unrefined uranium.
But I still want to see what the IAEA actually said. Almost all the reporters have this habit of writing what they want to see.
Just read that article. Want to read the report as the article makes claims that...
ok. Did the IAEA really say, "Iran is poised to double output of higher-enriched uranium that can be turned easily into the core of a nuclear warhead." Or is most of that interpretation based on the underlying fact that Iran has recently doubled the number of working centrifuges?
And since I've seen another article, I notice there's no mention that Iran has also massively increased the conversion of the existing 20% to fuel plates - things that basically can't be turned to weapons without basically treating them as unrefined uranium.
But I still want to see what the IAEA actually said. Almost all the reporters have this habit of writing what they want to see.
Bombs use enriched uranium @ >85%
20% would make an highly inefficient bomb.
This is a significant source of the die-hard Republican base. I don't want to disparage religious folk too very much, but suffice it to say that, especially here in the deep south, people are very... receptive to what their preachers have to say.
And their preacher telling them that Democrats are more or less pure evil incarnate that want to turn everyone into gay pedophile junkies has an effect on their political calculus.
Home Front Command asks local authorities to prepare for seven-week fighting period: In discussions held between Home Front Command Chief Major-General Eyal Eisenberg, regional commanders and heads of local authorities in the center and in the south, authorities have been instructed to prepare for a seven-week period of combat as part of Operation Pillar of Defense and to prepare emergency supplies, accordingly
- A flawed yet humble professed Christian with a stable marriage who does a great job of appealing to people from a wide range of backgrounds and ethnicities.
20% enrichment does not a bomb make. That needs to be way higher.
True, but remember it isn't a linear scale. In raw uranium you have one U235 in every 140 atoms. By the time you are at 20% enriched you already have it to 1 in 5.
True, but remember it isn't a linear scale. In raw uranium you have one U235 in every 140 atoms. By the time you are at 20% enriched you already have it to 1 in 5.
Which as Varek Raith noted is still not 85%. Or even 80% (little boy used that, all 64 kg of it.)
True, but remember it isn't a linear scale. In raw uranium you have one U235 in every 140 atoms. By the time you are at 20% enriched you already have it to 1 in 5.
True, but plutonium bombs are far more complicated and prone to contamination.
Derp. Misread that.
This is a significant source of the die-hard Republican base. I don't want to disparage religious folk too very much, but suffice it to say that, especially here in the deep south, people are very... receptive to what their preachers have to say.
And their preacher telling them that Democrats are more or less pure evil incarnate that want to turn everyone into gay pedophile junkies has an effect on their political calculus.
Which is why I love my church. In the sermon last Sunday our Preacher practically castigated most of the religious right for losing their minds since Obama got elected and openly wondered why some Christians feel it's perfectly fine to act all proper most of the time but cuss like a sailor on Facebook because you don't like who is in the White House.
He also spoke about how Christians are destroying the church by not living the way Jesus would. In other words, not practicing what we preach. This sermon drew huge enthusiasm from the congregation.
I have a feeling a ground invasion into Gaza in inevitable now...
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It's starting to look that way. Sadly it will probably end up like previous actions. Hamas leadership and fighters will hide in hospitals and UN compounds where they can't be touched. The IDF will temporarily reduce terrorist stockpiles and supplies and then retreat. We'll just have to repeat the process in a few years after they stock up again. I really don't foresee any scenario where a ground incursion will change anything.
Well, send them my thanks for trying to keep things more sane. Sounds like it was pretty well received, which is heartening. A lot of people are too set in their ways to take a message like that well.
I'll never forget the day I finally gave up on my parents, when they told me that I should come to their church because I would like their new pastor. "He's real smart and funny, and he gives the best sermons -- well, except that one time when he said bad things about Fox News..."
He CLAIMS he was involved in getting Shalit returned. I don't think anyone else has acknowledged that he had anything to do with it. He is just a private citizen with no authority to negotiate about anything and not a member of any government body.
Thanks. I've been wanting to look into that one. He's one hell of a self-promoter.
It's starting to look that way. Sadly it will probably end up like previous actions. Hamas leadership and fighters will hide in hospitals and UN compounds where they can't be touched. The IDF will temporarily reduce terrorist stockpiles and supplies and then retreat. We'll just have to repeat the process in a few years after they stock up again. I really don't foresee any scenario where a ground incursion will change anything.
I think Israel has no choice. The rockets seems to reaching farther now and as more people come in range of being murdered something more has to be done.
I'd be out of my mind. I'm pretty out of my mind as is.
This feels like it has a lot of potential to turn real bad, real fast.
She told me an incredible story about what happened with him on his birthday in August. I don't feel it should be posted here though for safety reasons for him and respect for her. I'm only the 4th person she told about it.
That would never work, when the Dem GOTV effort calls and tells me I need to go vote now and I tell them I am too busy having anal sex with a guy while smoking a blunt what are they going to do then, huh?
I tend to stay out of the Israel/Palestine discussions, but this looks all bad.
For everyone.
+1
I'm not well-versed enough to get involved the Israeli-Palestinian conflict debates around here, but anyone can look at what's going on now and see that it's going to get real bad real soon.
That would never work, when the Dem GOTV effort calls and tells me I need to go vote now and I tell them I am too busy having anal sex with a guy while smoking a blunt what are they going to do then, huh?
WKRG-TV managed to track down Derrick Belcher, the man responsible for the petition calling for Alabama’s secession.
Gawker noted on Thursday that the 45-year-old trucking company manager was really just upset because his Euro Details topless car wash had been shut down by the government.
But according to Al.com, it was the Mobile city government — not the federal government — that arrested Belcher and charged him with obscenity after the state of Alabama enacted an anti-obscenity law in 1998.
“The government ripped my business away, and now they’re choking America to death with rules and regulations,” the secessionist explained.
The Israeli army is sending text messages to mobile phones in Gaza with a warning in Arabic: “The next phase is on the way. Stay away from Hamas elements.”
I really wish I could sue the pants of the minister at my parent's church. His nasty, mean, hateful bullshit kept my parents away from me and their grandchildren for almost a decade. Ok,so my parents and I weren't in a perfect relationship to start with, but we were working on it. My mom went to him over concerns about pagan-y things in my home and he told her our house and our little family were part of Satan's Evil Plan(great metal band name) and that she shouldn't be around us. I guess the debil will get all over you if you get too close. Scared her and dad and made them fear us. Keep in mind that this minister had NEVER met me or my husband and son,never saw our home or anything before he made his holy pronouncement. Asshole. Not to mention the amount of money that church sucked out of my parents' pockets.
No, I can't imagine why I don't trust people who claim to be spiritual leaders.
Wait a second, I didn't think the Russians got earthquakes since they don't support that whole Gay equality thing? What is it that God is punishing them for then?
My drive home last night was interesting. I was leaving the office in Petach Tivkvah for the short drive back to my hotel in Ramat Gan. As I was stepping toward the door, a co-worker loudly said "slicha" (excuse me). He told me of the air raid alarm which was apparently a rocket headed toward Tel Aviv. We already knew a rocket had landed in Rishon LeZion, just south of Tel Aviv. Those of us who were about to leave gathered in the fortified conference room - we have one on every floor, complete with air filtration system - until we believed it was clear. All the way home in the car, the Code Red alarm kept playing on the radio.
The smuggling operation was highly complex. The Fajr-5 rockets made in Iran, each six meters long, were transported all the way from their country of origin — dismantled and re-assembled along the way, smuggled via the Gaza Strip tunnels and then hoisted out using cranes — until they were positioned at their launching sites in Gaza.
However, the smugglers were unaware that all that time, for over a year, IDF intelligence, headed by Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi, was after them, tracking them down from the moment they left Iran, targeting and destroying the rockets in a matter of minutes.
While Operation Pillar of Defense started with the targeting and killing of Hamas’ military chief in Gaza Ahmed Jabari, the terror organizations in the Gaza Strip were in for an even bigger shock when they realized that virtually the entire lineup of Fajr-5 rockets was eliminated in the space of a few minutes.
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The smuggling of rockets into the Gaza Strip was foiled, in part, far away from Gaza. According to reports by foreign sources, it was Israel that bombed the weapon-carrying convoys that left Iran on their way to Gaza.
The long rockets were dismantled into several parts by the smugglers before moving them through the tunnels, while storage sites were prepared for them in Gaza. Israeli intelligence operatives detected excavations in various places across the Gaza Strip, mainly near civilian population centers. These column-like holes were dug out, and the rockets transferred through the tunnels and hoisted out by cranes, which then hid the rockets deep down in the holes, ready for launching in their pre-planned directions. To each launching site, a special operator was assigned so that each knew where “his" rocket, the one he was to fire when the day came, was located.
Wait a second, I didn't think the Russians got earthquakes since they don't support that whole Gay equality thing? What is it that God punishing them for then?
God's not punishing them, he's only giving them more causes for soul-deep Russian sadness. They wilt, otherwise.
OK, can someone explain to me if Gaza is basically closed off from Israel, surrounded by checkpoints and guards and the like, then how are they so heavily armed? I know that's probably idiotic, but I honestly am clueless about ME politics and the wars and fighting in general there.
And can someone tell me what the fighting is about? I mean what started the whole mess at the beginning? Quite often these long protracted conflicts start off being about one thing and end up being about something else entirely. Is that what's happening here?
I truly apologize for seeming like an idiot about this, but I seriously don't know why Israel and the Palestinian people hate each other to this degree. And who stands to gain the most from all this conflict?
Wait a second, I didn't think the Russians got earthquakes since they don't support that whole Gay equality thing? What is it that God punishing them for then?
And since Iran gets hit regularly with earthquakes, I can only assume that there must be some factor other than tolerating LGBT that gets you hit.
OK, can someone explain to me if Gaza is basically closed off from Israel, surrounded by checkpoints and guards and the like, then how are they so heavily armed? I know that's probably idiotic, but I honestly am clueless about ME politics and the wars and fighting in general there.
They have a huge network of smuggling tunnels under the border with Egypt.
And can someone tell me what the fighting is about? I mean what started the whole mess at the beginning? Quite often these long protracted conflicts start off being about one thing and end up being about something else entirely. Is that what's happening here?
I'll take a stab at the short version. After WWII it was a British colony and the Brits were getting out of the empire business. They divided the country up by demographics, gave the Muslim parts to the Muslims and the Jewish parts to the Jews. Muslims didn't like that arrangement and have been trying to destroy the Jewish part ever since.
Those of us who were about to leave gathered in the fortified conference room - we have one on every floor, complete with air filtration system - until we believed it was clear.
Permanent war precautions do tend to bring that kind of thing into reality sadly. I guess the air filtration system is just in case the Palestinians ever completely lose their minds and employee chemical agents. They would have to be insane because that would also trigger a mandatory treaty response by the U.S. one that they no doubt wouldn't like very much. :(
OK, can someone explain to me if Gaza is basically closed off from Israel, surrounded by checkpoints and guards and the like, then how are they so heavily armed? I know that's probably idiotic, but I honestly am clueless about ME politics and the wars and fighting in general there.
And can someone tell me what the fighting is about? I mean what started the whole mess at the beginning? Quite often these long protracted conflicts start off being about one thing and end up being about something else entirely. Is that what's happening here?
I truly apologize for seeming like an idiot about this, but I seriously don't know why Israel and the Palestinian people hate each other to this degree. And who stands to gain the most from all this conflict?
Gaza abuts the Egyptian border and "smugglers tunnels" run under the border between Egypt and Gaza. Israel's sea blockade of Gaza has slowed down their ability to acquire arms to some extent but they cannot control smuggling from Egypt, especially because of the recent fall of the government there which has caused even less oversight and control on the Egyptian side of the border.
That 417 mil is a drop in the bucket for these banks. Same goes for the 4 billion in the BP mess(which if I understand correctly is to be paid in installments over many years, yep, that sure hurt 'em, oooh) I suppose something is better than nothing, but this is why these big ass companies keep doing evil shit. The financial thing is just the cost of doing business to them, it's not a deterrent. I just hope this money goes to people who got hurt in this mess.
And can someone tell me what the fighting is about? I mean what started the whole mess at the beginning? Quite often these long protracted conflicts start off being about one thing and end up being about something else entirely. Is that what's happening here?
In the beginning the British gave up the charter to oversee Palestine and walked away. Israel declared itself to be a country in what used to be most of Palestine and was immediately recognized by some other countries, thereby gaining some legitimacy. The Arab nations told all their people to get out of the "war zone" including the Palestinians, but promised them they could return just as soon as Israel was defeated. Israel kicked all their asses collectively with the aid of its overseas supporters/arms suppliers.
The Palestinians who had left like they were told to by other Arab countries lost their homes, farms, possessions, and livelihoods. That was over sixty years ago but their descendents still want them back enough to fight on until Israel is destroyed (their words not mine). Meanwhile the Palestinians who stayed were eventually granted full Israeli citizenship and allowed to keep all their stuff.
I truly apologize for seeming like an idiot about this, but I seriously don't know why Israel and the Palestinian people hate each other to this degree. And who stands to gain the most from all this conflict?
The other Arab nations that need an outsider to blame all their problems on gain the most. And who better to blame than Jews? That is why Palestinians are forced to live in refugee camps in other arab nations rather than be granted citizenship, even after 60 years, even though they were born from parents who were also born in their "temporary" host country. The Palestinians refuse to renounce terror and political violence to achieve their ultimate goal which is nothing short of the complete elimination of Israel.
The Israelis did not start out with anything like that level of hate, and many of them still do not feel that way, but sixty years of constant attacks and threats of attack have empowered the Rightwing of their Government tremendously. Israel is now led by an extremely hawkish coalition that sees no possibility of peace and instead would prefer to expand Israel and slowly drive these people away from ever enlarging borders.
Wait a second, I didn't think the Russians got earthquakes since they don't support that whole Gay equality thing? What is it that God is punishing them for then?
They had a hidden Benghazi deposit, that's why.
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That would never work, when the Dem GOTV effort calls and tells me I need to go vote now and I tell them I am too busy having anal sex with a guy while smoking a blunt what are they going to do then, huh?
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We have a block for that on the OfA canvasser form. Someone will drop by with a nice chardonnay later.
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