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Lindsey Graham Says Romney Harmed the GOP, Then Rants About Benghazi Fake Scandal

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Here’s an absolutely classic case of Republican cognitive dissonance today on Meet the Press, as Lindsey Graham castigates Mitt Romney for “digging a hole for the Republican Party” with his comments about self-deportation …

… then proceeds to launch yet another insane partisan character assassination attack on Susan Rice and the Obama administration over the ridiculous Benghazi fake scandal, saying that Obama is lying to the American public in order to make himself look good. Completely, utterly nuts.

These people are devoid of self-awareness; it’s a picture of what’s wrong with the GOP today. Mitt Romney isn’t digging that hole by himself.

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106 comments

1 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:03:27pm

It's worth noting that Graham is considered a RINO by many in the GOP, notably including mad-dog radio host Mark Levin. Levin routinely castigates Graham for various compromises and an alleged refusal to recognize that Democrats are hell-spawned demons and communists. Levin refers to him as "Goober Graham," perhaps appropriate all in all but not for the reason Levin thinks.

2 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:04:11pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel

Charlie Pierce's name for him is "Huckleberry Closetcase."

3 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:04:12pm

I would appreciate it if our journalists would start to parse what the hell Graham, et al, are even talking about.

4 Lidane  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:06:34pm

It's going to be a long four years.

These people are so desperate to find something -- anything -- to hang around Barack Obama's neck that they'll invent this Benghazi scandal out of whole cloth. They'll nominate a man who openly says what they all think when he dismisses half the country as lazy,shiftless moochers then they act surprised when those attacks help get the POTUS re-elected.

It's derp and desperation. It's also worth noting that Graham is running Benghazi-related campaign ads. He thinks this is a winning issue.

I said it in the last thread and I'll say it again -- these people have gone full retard. Simple as that.

5 nines09  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:09:26pm

Same old same old. Lie. Rinse. Repeat. The Dimming Of The Bulbs.

6 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:13:08pm

re: #4 Lidane

these people have gone full retard. Simple as that.

/But..But I thought you never go full retard.
/Loved that movie

7 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:16:02pm

The funny thing is that the President never has to look good again. He's been twice tested--proven "good enough to kick TPGOP tail".

8 researchok  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:28:50pm

Five minutes if stupid, less than a minute of some good questions.

You see, that's the thing with questions. You don't provide answers if you don't know. Just ask the people who do.

Lindsay Graham doesn't know shit.

9 jaunte  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:28:51pm

I'm pretty sure the White House has never claimed that Al Qaeda "has been dismantled."

10 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:29:26pm

I really don't understand what the end game is in this. The election is over, impeachment is impossible, the facts have more staying power than the GOP's laughable word games and distorted time-lines.
They are apparently just flailing around in a helpless rage that their time-dishonored methods of deceit and innuendo have failed. A majority of Americans are evidently smarter than the Repugs think. No wonder they want to destroy public education.

11 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:35:35pm

Graham did a fine Gish Gallop there in the second video. Lots of concerny-ness in there.

12 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:36:39pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

There is no end game. They're still pissed about Clint's Chair debacle.

13 Lidane  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:39:10pm

re: #12 Kronocide

There is no end game. They're still pissed about Clint's Chair debacle.

They're also pissed about spending hundreds of millions of dollars for no reason. And about spending an entire election season attacking instead of offering ideas, since their nominee didn't want to talk specifics until after he got elected.

Also, the aging white GOP base lost to a black man with an African name twice. That really hacks them off.

14 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:40:34pm

I happened to catch one of Hannity's Benghazi rants this week. In recounting various time lines for events, he randomly mixed time zones in a way that could easily confuse, distort, or even reverse the chronology. Times for events in Benghazi and Washington are given in local time, naturally enough, but with very abrupt transitions and little indication which was being used. The "go" order for the military rescue force was correctly given as 8:58 PM, for example, and for the subsequent stand-down at 9:30. These were DC time. Just before that, Hannity had been yammering about the attack, using Benghazi time. Listeners could easily have concluded that the stand-down was given just as the attack started, and not hours after it was over.

15 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:42:47pm
16 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:43:41pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

The funny thing is that the President never has to look good again. He's been twice tested--proven "good enough to kick TPGOP tail".

But for that, they see him as having a "weak mid-term record" against the TPGOP and will set all their efforts towards doing better in 2014. Their course is set, the rest of the GOP will be sucked along.

17 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:45:46pm

It's fascinating that people like Joel Pollak simply don't seem to care whether that video really shows fakery or not. They're pure propagandists. Facts are completely irrelevant to them. So they'll all jump aboard and start screaming "IT'S A FAKE!" as soon as one of their drones posts it, with no attempt at all to actually THINK about it.

18 jaunte  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:47:22pm

Panetta: 'No kind of silver bullet' to destroy al Qaeda

"Having been involved in operations even before bin Laden, it was clear that there is no kind of silver bullet here to suddenly be able to destroy al Qaeda and that includes going after bin Laden," Panetta told reporters Friday after a meeting with defense counterparts in South America.

"The way this works is that the more successful we are in taking down those that represent their spiritual and ideological leadership, the greater our ability to weaken their threat to this country."

Somehow Lindsey Graham translated this into "Al Qaeda has been dismantled."

19 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:54:45pm

Graham can't keep his train of thought on track, because he first says that Obama "coming clean" about Al-Q being involved would have hurt his reelection, then says that it would have actually helped Obama to come clean about Al-Q.

Thank you, Senator, for giving us the Fox News version of events.

20 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:55:15pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

It's fascinating that people like Joel Pollak simply don't seem to care whether that video really shows fakery or not. They're pure propagandists. Facts are completely irrelevant to them. So they'll all jump aboard and start screaming "IT'S A FAKE!" as soon as one of their drones posts it, with no attempt at all to actually THINK about it.

This. It's literally a deadly serious matter and IMO should be treated with the utmost seriousness, not the taunting "neener-neener" type jeers I keep seeing. I never see that sort of reaction coming out of the IDF or from (love him or hate him) people like PM Netanyahu.

21 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:55:47pm

Today's factoid: It's been 84 years, back to 1928, since the Republicans won a presidential election without someone named Nixon or Bush on the ticket. 1972, 40 years ago, was the last GOP win without a Bush.

22 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:56:30pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

I really don't understand what the end game is in this. The election is over, impeachment is impossible, the facts have more staying power than the GOP's laughable word games and distorted time-lines.

Not sure that part's true.

23 steve_davis  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:56:55pm

re: #3 prairiefire

I would appreciate it if our journalists would start to parse what the hell Graham, et al, are even talking about.

Speaking of which, I just listened to an MSNBC anchor sit passively and let a Hamas spokesflak turn his question around about what it would take to get Hamas to stop firing rockets into Israel. Would it really hurt to say, "No, Ma'am. The question I asked was about Hamas' aggression, and not Israel's right to defend itself."

24 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 12:59:20pm

re: #22 Renaissance_Man

Not sure that part's true.

Some lies have great staying power, to be sure, but these are too crude and easily exposed to survive when the opposition has a fair chance to make its case (as it does now).

25 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:02:40pm

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

1972, what a fine year that was for having a freaking landslide...

1972 Election Results...

Poor McGovern, that was just embarrassing. :(

26 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:04:23pm

re: #24 Shiplord Kirel

Some lies have great staying power, to be sure, but these are too crude and easily exposed to survive when the opposition has a fair chance to make its case (as it does now).

And yet, in two years, a majority of Americans will still believe that Democrats are weak on national security, that their taxes are backbreakingly high, that they're safer with a gun on them, that the President is a socialist, and so on.

Repetition works. Only cultists will believe all the lies, but repeat them all often enough and most people will believe at least one or two of them.

27 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:08:18pm

re: #23 steve_davis

Speaking of which, I just listened to an MSNBC anchor sit passively and let a Hamas spokesflak turn his question around about what it would take to get Hamas to stop firing rockets into Israel. Would it really hurt to say, "No, Ma'am. The question I asked was about Hamas' aggression, and not Israel's right to defend itself."

Heh. Although I wouldn't get my news about anything from MSNBC but I'll cut them some slack on that one. No journalist is going to seriously grill a spokesman for a terrorist organization like Hamas. It's just not a wise thing to do. How's the rest of their coverage on the fighting in Gaza?

28 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:08:33pm

re: #25 watching you tiny alien kittens are

1972, what a fine year that was for having a freaking landslide...

1972 Election Results...

Poor McGovern, that was just embarrassing. :(

I was living in Massachusetts at the time

The consequences later weren't pleasant. Nixon closed about half dozen military facilities (the Chelsea Naval Hospital being one of them) as "payback"

29 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:09:49pm

This is why you can't believe 99% of what you see on Twitter.

Pro-Gaza tweeter using photo of ISRAELI child and claiming that it is a Palestinian child.

30 bratwurst  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:10:06pm
31 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:12:25pm

Gah, I hate expensive SW. $2k program that I have to use integrating with word just deleted a Word doc Scope of Work I spent several hours creating.

When I had the program 'delete' the Word doc it completely removed it from the computer, not from the folder, no Recycle Bin, no nothing. It's gone.

32 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:14:45pm

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

This is why you can't believe 99% of what you see on Twitter.

Pro-Gaza tweeter using photo of ISRAELI child and claiming that it is a Palestinian child.

Yeah, I just opened twitter to see what's going on and it seems pretty bad. Lot's of fake stories and misinformation.

33 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:15:27pm
Frank says:

There's no question in my mind -- the beer, the ballons and the bunting all start with "B" for some cosmic reason. -- Words that star with B and remind him of the Republican party. The Real Frank Zappa Book. Page 238

Benghazi!!!

Also, first Frank Says that I've seen with a typo in it. Oh, wait. Two typos.

34 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:20:24pm

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

This is why you can't believe 99% of what you see on Twitter.

Pro-Gaza tweeter using photo of ISRAELI child and claiming that it is a Palestinian child.

I'm also thinking of adding Haaretz to my "pay no mind" list. The fake peace agreement conspiracy theory, lots of other questionable stuff too.

35 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:21:16pm

re: #31 Kronocide

Gah, I hate expensive SW. $2k program that I have to use integrating with word just deleted a Word doc Scope of Work I spent several hours creating.

When I had the program 'delete' the Word doc it completely removed it from the computer, not from the folder, no Recycle Bin, no nothing. It's gone.

It's still there.

37 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:23:35pm

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

President Obama blames Hamas for the current situation, defends Israel.

Daylight between US and Israel!!!

38 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:23:38pm

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

This is why you can't believe 99% of what you see on Twitter.

Pro-Gaza tweeter using photo of ISRAELI child and claiming that it is a Palestinian child.

I find that it's almost always a waste of time to look at hash tag searches on Twitter -- that's where you see all the nuts, all the fake pictures, the racists and antisemites, etc. In breaking news, hash tags can be useful right at the start, but they're usually overwhelmed with spam and nutcases before long.

There are more than 500 million accounts on Twitter now - if even 1% of them are kooks, that's a lot of kooks.

39 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:24:27pm

George Galloway & Yvonne Ridley at Bradford Gaza Protest Sunday 18th November 2012

40 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:24:36pm

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

President Obama blames Hamas for the current situation, defends Israel.

The Kenyan impostor throws Israel under the bus agai...

Oh wait.

41 bratwurst  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:26:00pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

I'm also thinking of adding Haaretz to my "pay no mind" list. The fake peace agreement conspiracy theory, lots of other questionable stuff too.

I can't help but feel that we have reached the point where it would be easier for you to only mention news sources you DO consider worthy of your time.

42 researchok  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:26:52pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Birds of a feather.

Two of the most obnoxious and hypocritical people you'll ever run across.

43 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:27:21pm

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

President Obama blames Hamas for the current situation, defends Israel.

Obama said Israel had the right to defend itself against Hamas' missile attacks from Gaza. But he urged Israel not to launch a ground assault in Gaza, saying it would put Israeli soldiers, as well as Palestinian citizens, at greater risk and hamper an already vexing peace process.

"If we see a further escalation of the situation in Gaza, the likelihood of us getting back on any kind of peace track that leads to a two-state solution is going to be pushed off way into the future," Obama said.

[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

44 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:27:45pm

re: #42 researchok

Birds of a feather.

Two of the most obnoxious and hypocritical people you'll ever run across.

It's pretty awful, I only lasted about 3 minutes. At least I tried.

45 researchok  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:28:44pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I'm being deliberately restrained.

46 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:30:45pm

Google Translate is not good at all with Arabic.

Mohammed _ Mahmoud, The hell Baradtk intervention, facing death with your friends, for taking a Break for potato or bean sandwich Gad, and returns the dimensions of hell and death Tani Normal #.

47 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:35:18pm

what do you suppose was meant by what translated as 'bean sandwich Gad'?

48 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:35:35pm

I know the exact reason they won't let this Benghazi stuff drop: It's a continuing gold mine for the right wing blogs and pundits who owe their livelihoods to this stuff.

The term "Benghazi" has become merely a marketing gimmick these people can use to drive page views and listeners and whatever else. It's a business, it's a big business.

Look at these Amazon results for the terms "Obama" and "Libya"

The industry that has been built around extreme dislike/distrust of the 44th President is a BIG industry.

And it's not JUST Libya. Look at this list of bestselling Amazon kindle downloads in the politics category. Almost all of them are anti-Liberal or anti-Obama or both and that's just one page out of five.

David Frum already has an ebook out called "Why Romney Lost".

It's not about actual foreign policy or political discourse or tax policy or healthcare legislation.

It's about MONEY. Pure and simple. Benghazi is a cash cow for these folks and they are milking it for everything its worth.

49 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:37:08pm

On a somewhat related note I posted awhile back about Glenn Beck's forthcoming "Agenda 21" book. I erroneously thought it was going to be a non-fiction book discussing the details and history behind Agenda 21.

However, a closer look reveals it's in fact a work of fiction. Set sometime in the not too distant future, it's told from the perspective of someone who has been rounded up and placed in a U.N. run camp as part of 21.

50 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:38:24pm

re: #47 engineer cat

what do you suppose was meant by what translated as 'bean sandwich Gad'?

"Gort! Klaatu barada nikto! "

(Helen,, The Day The Earth Stood Still)

51 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:38:55pm

re: #26 Renaissance_Man

And yet, in two years, a majority of Americans will still believe that Democrats are weak on national security, that their taxes are backbreakingly high, that they're safer with a gun on them, that the President is a socialist, and so on.

Repetition works. Only cultists will believe all the lies, but repeat them all often enough and most people will believe at least one or two of them.

But the majority of Americans don't believe these right-wing claims. President Obama won. During the general, Romney had to back away from the crazies after he had pandered to them in the primaries. Why? He knew he wouldn't have a chance if only red-meat crazy racists voted for him. His "flexibility" was cynical and it failed, but it was not inconsistent with the facts he faced.

52 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:41:01pm

re: #48 dragonfire1981

I know the exact reason they won't let this Benghazi stuff drop: It's a continuing gold mine for the right wing blogs and pundits who owe their livelihoods to this stuff.

The term "Benghazi" has become merely a marketing gimmick these people can use to drive page views and listeners and whatever else. It's a business, it's a big business.

Look at these Amazon results for the terms "Obama" and "Libya"

The industry that has been built around extreme dislike/distrust of the 44th President is a BIG industry.

And it's not JUST Libya. Look at this list of bestselling Amazon kindle downloads in the politics category. Almost all of them are anti-Liberal or anti-Obama or both and that's just one page out of five.

David Frum already has an ebook out called "Why Romney Lost".

It's not about actual foreign policy or political discourse or tax policy or healthcare legislation.

It's about MONEY. Pure and simple. Benghazi is a cash cow for these folks and they are milking it for everything its worth.

*DING* *DING* We have a winner!

The real purpose of Benghazi is to keep a head of steam on the right-wing crazy train, with all the entrepreneurial opportunity it brings with it.

53 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:42:33pm

re: #47 engineer cat

what do you suppose was meant by what translated as 'bean sandwich Gad'?

Maybe 'Gad' is a type of bean. The order of things is usually screwed up when it attempts Arabic. Sandmonkey's been doing some interesting Tweeting though. Sometimes in English so I can be more sure of the meaning.

54 blueraven  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:42:45pm

re: #43 sattv4u2

Obama said Israel had the right to defend itself against Hamas' missile attacks from Gaza. But he urged Israel not to launch a ground assault in Gaza, saying it would put Israeli soldiers, as well as Palestinian citizens, at greater risk and hamper an already vexing peace process.

"If we see a further escalation of the situation in Gaza, the likelihood of us getting back on any kind of peace track that leads to a two-state solution is going to be pushed off way into the future," Obama said.

[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

I dont see Obama's statement, as written in the piece, urging Israel to do, or not do anything. It is just a fact that escalation will make it harder for a solution.

The escalation could just as well be a Gaza issue as an Israeli one.

Perhaps there is another actual quote from him urging Israel to do anything?

55 jaunte  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:44:02pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

Gad restaurant, Cairo:
[Link: www.tripadvisor.com...]

56 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:47:03pm

re: #54 blueraven

I dont see Obama's statement, as written in the piece, urging Israel to do, or not do anything. It is just a fact that escalation will make it harder for a solution.

The escalation could just as well be a Gaza issue as an Israeli one.

Perhaps there is another actual quote from him urging Israel to do anything?

Don't know

Most of the article I linked to was about his trip to Myanmar. The BBC link from #36 only showed the 1st sentence. The AP one just had the two paragraphs i posted plus one throwaway sentence (The ongoing violence is likely to trail Obama as he makes his way from Thailand to Myanmar to Cambodia, his final stop before returning to Washington early Wednesday) before it went back to the Myanmar visit coverage

57 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:48:35pm

re: #55 jaunte

Gad restaurant, Cairo:
[Link: www.tripadvisor.com...]

Are potato and bean sandwiches on the menu!?!?!

58 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:49:28pm

re: #55 jaunte

Gad restaurant, Cairo:
[Link: www.tripadvisor.com...]

Bean sandwiches worth going to hell for!

There is NOTHING healthy about eating here, but it really is reliably delicious.

Also, try the pigeon.

Image: alexandria.jpg

59 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:51:52pm

the internet says 'gad' means 'my fortune' in semitic languages

"bean sandwich my fortune"

now everything is clear!

60 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:52:13pm

re: #57 sattv4u2

Are potato and bean sandwiches on the menu!?!?!

my guess is the bean sandwich is felafel (fried chick peas in pita) served with chips (Aka french fries). Very tasty combo.

61 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:52:24pm

re: #47 engineer cat

what do you suppose was meant by what translated as 'bean sandwich Gad'?

Gad means "earnest". I know this because my one of my new regular taxi driver is Egyptian is named Gad and he told me what it meant. Thanks to their accent (they pronounce J like G) and the "a" being a long vowel, it sounds very much like saying "God", which totally weirds me out to the point that I'll go through all sorts of contortions trying to avoid it. LOL

62 jaunte  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:52:40pm

re: #57 sattv4u2

Looks like somebody makes one:

From the classic ful with olive oil all the way to the dynamite, a killer combination of ful, falafel, babaganoush, eggs and potatoes all squashed and rolled into a paper-thin pita the size of two jumbo pizza slices, El Shabrawi does not disappoint.
[Link: www.foodrepublic.com...]

63 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:54:59pm

Lol at trying to talk them down off the ledge...

Dear angry white conservatives: Chill out

...I am going to let you in on a secret that Fox News and the Republican party will not share with you.

White people run America. More specifically, white men are the most powerful group of people in the United States. Yes, people who look just like you remain in charge. White men control every major social, political, economic, and cultural institution in the United States. With few exceptions, white men are the CEOs of every Fortune 500 company.

White men control both Hollywood and the mass media. There, approximately 95 percent of the most important positions as writers, directors, advertising, producers, show runners, executives, and the like are held by white men.

This is a great advantage in a country where white men make up 30 percent of the U.S. population.

White men control the United States Congress and Senate. There are now 20 women in the Senate—a record number. But there are no African Americans in the same governing body. There are two Hispanic and Asian senators, respectively. The majority of senior-level and cabinet positions in the federal government are held by white men. White men are also over-represented on the United States Supreme Court...

64 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:55:38pm

Hmm.

Netanyahu: America “Can Be Easily Moved…They Won’t Get In Our Way”

65 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:55:59pm

re: #62 jaunte

In an earth-shattering coincidence, I just had a falafel wrap for lunch.

66 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 1:59:38pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

my guess is the bean sandwich is felafel (fried chick peas in pita) served with chips (Aka french fries). Very tasty combo.

They also make some kind of cold white bean vinaigrette served in a pita that is pretty tasty, can't remember what the heck it is called though.

67 blueraven  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:00:15pm

re: #56 sattv4u2

Don't know

Most of the article I linked to was about his trip to Myanmar. The BBC link from #36 only showed the 1st sentence. The AP one just had the two paragraphs i posted plus one throwaway sentence (The ongoing violence is likely to trail Obama as he makes his way from Thailand to Myanmar to Cambodia, his final stop before returning to Washington early Wednesday) before it went back to the Myanmar visit coverage

It looked to me like your post was a rebuttal to #36...or I dont get why you posted it. Alouette's link contained a video with a pretty full statement of support for Israel to defend itself from the Gaza rockets. I didn't hear the President urging Israel to do anything. Just a hope that things would not escalate.

68 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:00:40pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

Maybe 'Gad' is a type of bean. The order of things is usually screwed up when it attempts Arabic. Sandmonkey's been doing some interesting Tweeting though. Sometimes in English so I can be more sure of the meaning.

Nope, see my #61.

Ful is the word for bean. I think here gad/earnest is being used like we'd use "really" or "seriously" or "I'm not kidding".

69 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:01:25pm

I had some hummus and some eggplant stuffing my neighbor made. She's cooking all her favorites for a Thanksgiving on her own, and she's taking two weeks to make and eat it all if she needs to. The stuffing had eggplant, shrimp, ham and breadcrumbs. Tasted like really good stuffing, and not at all like eggplant.

70 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:02:26pm

re: #67 blueraven

It looked to me like you post was a rebuttal to #36.

Not a rebuttal, just an addition. i had seen the AP reported story earlier today, and when I saw #36's BBC one I recalled that there was more to the quote than what was on that

I didn't hear the President urging Israel to do anything

I didn't either, nor did I say he did

71 dragonath  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:03:40pm

The Eagles must be the most incompetently coached team in the NFL

- Called time outs to stop the clock with 4:30 left, when the team is 25 points down
- Led to their star RB to getting a concussion
- Head coach comes on after the game and says he left him in at 1:45 because "he was trying to win the game"

72 blueraven  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:04:46pm

re: #70 sattv4u2

It looked to me like you post was a rebuttal to #36.

Not a rebuttal, just an addition. i had seen the AP reported story earlier today, and when I saw #36's BBC one I recalled that there was more to the quote than what was on that

I didn't hear the President urging Israel to do anything

I didn't either, nor did I say he did

No, you just direct quoted the part of an article that said he did and let it hang.

73 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:05:11pm

The infamous FEMA camps are open! At least one might conclude that from this article by Chuck Norris in World Nut Daily. (links to Free Republic re-post).

Norris could well be right when he decries conditions at FEMA's relief camp in New Jersey, but he gives more than a passing nod to the moth-eaten kookatarian conspiracy theories in the process:

Right now, homeless Americans are literally freezing, wrapped in blankets and trash bags as they struggle to survive in FEMA tent cities such as New Jersey’s “Camp Freedom,” which reportedly “resembles a prison camp.”

“Sitting there last night you could see your breath,” displaced resident Brian Sotelo told the Asbury Park Press. “At (Pine Belt) the Red Cross made an announcement that they were sending us to permanent structures up here that had just been redone, that had washing machines and hot showers and steady electric, and they sent us to tent city. We got (expletived).”

Sotelo said Blackhawk helicopters patrol the skies “all day and night” and a black car with tinted windows surveys the camp while the government moves heavy equipment past the tents at night. According to the story, reporters aren’t even allowed in the fenced complex, where lines of displaced residents form outside portable toilets. Security guards are posted at every door, and residents can’t even use the toilet or shower without first presenting I.D.

“They treat us like we’re prisoners,” Ashley Sabol told Reuters. “It’s bad to say, but we honestly feel like we’re in a concentration camp.”

Snow and icy slush seep into living areas through the bottoms of the government tents.

Meanwhile, officials are said to be banning residents from taking pictures and even cutting off WiFi and power access.

“After everyone started complaining and they found out we were contacting the press, they brought people in,” Sotelo said. “Every time we plugged in an iPhone or something, the cops would come and unplug them.”

He added, “Everybody is angry over here. It’s like being in prison.” (emphasis added)

To say the least, I am skeptical of these lurid descriptions. Note that this is based on an interview with one person who could well be a nutcase. No other residents, no administrators, no politicians, no volunteers, were interviewed about conditions in the camp. Cutting off access to the outside world would bring the instant attention of lawyers and law enforcement for one thing. Blackhawk helicopters would not be used for this kind of job even if the place were a concentration camp. They just aren't made or equipped for that, but their name certainly has an ominous ring in the kook world.

74 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:05:47pm

re: #71 dragonath

That is why most Philadelphians consider the Eagles a joke.

75 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:07:07pm

re: #72 blueraven

No, you just direct quoted the part of an article that said he did and let it hang.

{sigh] Did you read the article I linked? What did I leave 'hang"ing? I posted the ENTIRE quote (pertaining to the ME) from the article except for the throwaway line!

76 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:08:22pm

White very wealthy people run America. More specifically, white men very wealthy people are the most powerful group of people in the United States

fxt

77 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:08:44pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

In an earth-shattering coincidence, I just had a falafel wrap for lunch.

re: #69 wrenchwench

I had some hummus and some eggplant stuffing my neighbor made. She's cooking all her favorites for a Thanksgiving on her own, and she's taking two weeks to make and eat it all if she needs to. The stuffing had eggplant, shrimp, ham and breadcrumbs. Tasted like really good stuffing, and not at all like eggplant.

Why are you people always talking about food?? I just realized how hungry I am..

78 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:09:17pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

re: #69 wrenchwench

Why are you people always talking about food?? I just realized how hungry I am..

Let me help you

EAT !!!

:)

//

79 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:09:34pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

Because we are hungry too./

80 CarleeCork  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:09:46pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel

What did he have to say when Katrina hit New Orleans?

81 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:09:50pm

re: #79 PhillyPretzel

Because we are hungry too./

EAT!!!!!

82 SteveMcG  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:09:55pm

I don't blame Andy Reid for that game, I blame the veteran players. Andy Reid calls time out because at least he isn't quitting. Unfortunately those dirty smelly kitty cat players couldn't be bothered. McCoy got hurt because he's a football player, not because Reid left him in.

83 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:10:37pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

re: #69 wrenchwench

Why are you people always talking about food?? I just realized how hungry I am..

re: #74 PhillyPretzel

That is why most Philadelphians consider the Eagles a joke.

And YOU! Every time I see you nic I think about big fat warm pretzels, then cheese steak sandwiches. Gah!

84 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:10:58pm

re: #66 watching you tiny alien kittens are

They also make some kind of cold white bean vinaigrette served in a pita that is pretty tasty, can't remember what the heck it is called though.

Found a recipe, but still no name...anyway I do remember that it was very good cold, especially in the heat.

[Link: www.usdrybeans.com...]

85 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:12:01pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

re: #74 PhillyPretzel

And YOU! Every time I see you nic I think about big fat warm pretzels, then cheese steak sandwiches. Gah!

Mmmmmm...pretzels and cheesesteak.

*drools*

86 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:12:10pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

The only way the pretzels are going to be warm is very early in the morning.

87 SteveMcG  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:12:11pm

I happen to think soft pretzels are on a trend for the worse. The last few years, the major bakers are just baking bread in the shape of pretzels. It's hard to find good ones.

88 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:12:57pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

re: #69 wrenchwench

Why are you people always talking about food?? I just realized how hungry I am..

My wife and I just made brunch for our friends.

Le menu:

Amuse-bouche of chocolate banana bread

Eggs Benedict with freshly-made hollandaise sauce and pancetta.

Thinly sliced chipotle steak with pickled pappers and egg-whites.

Blueberry buckwheat pancakes

Hash browns with salsify and side of oven-baked bacon.

Drinks:

Tangerine mimosas, Zabar's coffee, and bloody marys (extra spicy).

I'm kind of full now.

89 researchok  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:14:04pm

re: #64 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Hmm.

Netanyahu: America “Can Be Easily Moved…They Won’t Get In Our Way”

[Embedded content]

Syrian emails say American psyche is 'easily manipulated'

Bashar al-Assad was advised that the "American psyche can be easily manipulated" when he was preparing for a television interview with ABC's Barbara Walters in December, according to leaked emails reported to have come from within the Syrian regime.

In an insight into the contempt shown for international public opinion by those advising the Syrian leader, one of his media aides suggested "the American audience doesn't really care about reforms. They won't understand it and they are not interested to do so".

Sheherazad Jaafari, a Syrian press attache based in New York, listed points for Assad to consider in preparing for the high-profile interview and urged him to quash "the idea" of violence being perpetrated by the regime against the Syrian people. The US media "think that bloodshed is done by the government to attack the 'innocent civilians' and 'peaceful demonstrators'," she wrote. References by the president in the interview to "armed groups" … "is extremely important", she added.

At least Netanyahu is butchering his own- by the tens of thousands and counting.

90 SteveMcG  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:14:19pm

re: 88

Bring that stuuf around here and you'll have a lot of leftovers.

91 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:14:22pm

re: #88 Obdicut

I'm kind of full now.

I've always said that of you!!

//

(I need to be on the next invite list ,,,, i'll bring dessert)

92 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:15:49pm

re: #89 researchok

At least Netanyahu is butchering his own

huh ???

93 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:17:58pm

re: #78 sattv4u2

Let me help you

EAT !!!

:)

//

Well, yeah, except now they made me want ful or felafel or...wait—I have some chickpeas in the cupboard so that means I can make hummus! Oooh, I even have some feta cheese & Middle Eastern pickles in the fridge, so I'm all set! (They're Israeli pickles, shhh, don't tell anyone.)

94 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:18:10pm

re: #88 Obdicut

My wife and I just made brunch for our friends.

Le menu:

Amuse-bouche of chocolate banana bread

Eggs Benedict with freshly-made hollandaise sauce and pancetta.

Thinly sliced chipotle steak with pickled pappers and egg-whites.

Blueberry buckwheat pancakes

Hash browns with salsify and side of oven-baked bacon.

Drinks:

Tangerine mimosas, Zabar's coffee, and bloody marys (extra spicy).

I'm kind of full now.

I gotta spend less time fixing bikes and more time fixing food. But I have to fix my bike now, because I crashed on the way home last night. Not much damage (to me or the bike) but the crash was precipitated by an overshift into the spokes, which is never supposed to happen on my bike.

95 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:19:36pm

I'm going to have to go out & get something. My cupboard is bare :(

96 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:20:59pm

re: #88 Obdicut

My wife and I just made brunch for our friends.

Le menu:

Amuse-bouche of chocolate banana bread

Eggs Benedict with freshly-made hollandaise sauce and pancetta.

Thinly sliced chipotle steak with pickled pappers and egg-whites.

Blueberry buckwheat pancakes

Hash browns with salsify and side of oven-baked bacon.

Drinks:

Tangerine mimosas, Zabar's coffee, and bloody marys (extra spicy).

I'm kind of full now.

Nom, nom, nom... That's it, I'm outta here. Hummus time.

Later, lizards.

97 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:21:21pm

re: #94 wrenchwench

I gotta spend less time fixing bikes and more time fixing food. But I have to fix my bike now, because I crashed on the way home last night. Not much damage (to me or the bike) but the crash was precipitated by an overshift into the spokes, which is never supposed to happen on my bike.

Kill two birds with one stone

Image: bike-caffe-590.jpg

98 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:30:56pm

re: #89 researchok

Did you mean Bashar al-Assad?
Because what you just wrote there about Netanyahu makes no sense...

99 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:31:38pm

re: #98 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Did you mean Bashar al-Assad?
Because what you just wrote there about Netanyahu makes no sense...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

100 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:39:39pm

re: #93 CuriousLurker

Well, yeah, except now they made me want ful or felafel or...wait—I have some chickpeas in the cupboard so that means I can make hummus! Oooh, I even have some feta cheese & Middle Eastern pickles in the fridge, so I'm all set! (They're Israeli pickles, shhh, don't tell anyone.)

Pickles in a can...that's just wrong.

///

101 researchok  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:53:28pm

re: #89 researchok

At least Netanyahu is not butchering his own- by the tens of thousands and counting.

102 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:55:33pm

re: #101 researchok

At least Netanyahu is not butchering his own- by the tens of thousands and counting.

:)

103 JohnFranklinMason  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 3:38:13pm

Romney and Republicans possibly compromised identifying and capturing the perpetrators of the Benghazi attacks and murders in trying to undermine the White House.

104 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 3:52:37pm

re: #103 JohnFranklinMason

Welcome, hatchling.

105 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 6:42:10pm

re: #3 prairiefire

Exactly. Challenge them on their lies. Also, I wish that more Democrats in the House/Senate would call Graham and McCain out on all this Benghazi foolishness. Call them out on the Senate floor and force them to explain themselves.
Graham is trying to gin up a controversy to help him with his 2014 run. His desperation is obvious.

106 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 6:52:31pm

re: #48 dragonfire1981

But not enough people read those anti-Liberal/anti-Obama books to have made a difference on November 6th. Seems like those books are for people already comfortably embedded in the Faux Noise media bubble. Good for folks like Frum, Coulter, etc., who write books and make $$$ off fellow bubble dwellers, but not good for getting a President elected.


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If there's ever an obscene noise to be made on an instrument, it's gonna come out of a guitar! On a sax you can play sleaze, on a bass you can play balls. But on a guitar you can be truly obscene! Lets be realistic about this, the guitar can be the single most blasphemous device on earth! The guitar makes a stink noise. That's why I like it!!