1 | danarchy Mon, Nov 19, 2012 4:23:03pm |
Anyone else ever get this thing where the videos on the front page are all shifted by an article. For example, on my front page right now the video for this article is actually a climate change denier from a couple articles below, and that article shows the video of Obama saying Israel has the right to defend itself etc.
Just wondering if it is me or some weird thing the page does. I've seen it happen a few times.
3 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 4:51:33pm |
WTF!
Huffpost changed their format to include an auto-play video on every page, and you have to scroll down a couple of screens to find the freakin video and shut it off.
GAH.
Turns the speakers off.
4 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 19, 2012 4:52:45pm |
Judge sent Twinkies back to arbitration.
[Link: xfinity.comcast.net...]
5 | Kaessa Mon, Nov 19, 2012 4:53:17pm |
re: #3 Vicious Babushka
WTF!
Huffpost changed their format to include an auto-play video on every page, and you have to scroll down a couple of screens to find the freakin video and shut it off.
Well that's a good excuse to never go to Huffpo again. I hate (HATE) auto-play video.
6 | A Man for all Seasons Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:03:33pm |
Isn't this an amazing thing to see? The GOP now completely pandering to the Latino Community. It's unseemly and insulting. The party of the grownups has turned into that crazy ex-girlfriend that won't go away
Note to our Latino brothers and sisters.. Make sure you get it in writing. They think they can just talk shit and everything will be ok.
7 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:06:12pm |
Oh boy... The Onion Goes Anti-Semitic
Warning, links to Breitbart.
8 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:07:20pm |
re: #3 Vicious Babushka
WTF!
Huffpost changed their format to include an auto-play video on every page, and you have to scroll down a couple of screens to find the freakin video and shut it off.
GAH.
Turns the speakers off.
I was just about to mention them. Their coverage of Gaza is just about the worst out there.
5 Lies the Media Keeps Repeating About Gaza
9 | A Man for all Seasons Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:07:25pm |
re: #6 BenghaziHoops
Jeez.. Two edits in the first 4 words of my post...
I guess I'm ready for MNF.
10 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:08:52pm |
Same "author" on the Marco Rubio derpishness:
Gentleman’s Quarterly (GQ) has published a recent interview they did with rock star and Giant-Threat-To-The-Left Republican Marco Rubio. You just knew they would try to sabotage him with a question somewhere along the way, and the one they picked was this:
GQ: How old do you think the Earth is?
Rubio, as a man of faith, gave a perfect answer:
I’m not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that’s a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I’m not a scientist. I don’t think I’m qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that. It’s one of the great mysteries.
Exactly right. It is none of Rubio's business, and there are competing beliefs on the matter. This was GQ's attempt to fringe out Rubio immediately, or to make him insult more fundamentalist members of his base. He didn't fall for it.
To make matters worse for the left, most Hispanics attend some form of church, whether it be Catholic or Evangelical, and Rubio’s answer wouldn’t displease them. This makes the left nuts, especially since they have no grounds to insult him for being one of those "kooks" based on this answer. Rubio, so far, is too smart for the mainstream press. Which makes them fighting mad.
11 | dragonfire1981 Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:12:43pm |
re: #7 Gus
Oh boy... The Onion Goes Anti-Semitic
Warning, links to Breitbart.
If I'm not mistaken, that's a link to an older Onion story (like a few years old by now). The whole thing is clearly satire. Breitbart is really stretching.
13 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:18:36pm |
I need a non-pukey, healthy pale green color for a map I am trying to make.
14 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:20:37pm |
I thought this article might have a little more info on the phone calls. Not really but there are some interesting quotes from Gazans.
Phone Call Tells Gazans to Get Out; Missiles Hit Minutes Later
"Look, I mean, everyone has the right to defend himself. They are saying that they're defending their selves. Of what? Of rockets. They have no missiles in them. It's an empty rocket. It's just a kind of tube kind of going and doing nothing. But it's our way of defense. We have nothing," Matar said.
"I have only one kid, a little girl, and I want her to live in peace. I want her to live in Palestine. We have the right to defense ourselves. No one wants war, no one...But what kind of peace we need, that is the question," he said.
A Palestinian man at a Gaza hospital today was more blunt as dead bodies were brought out for funerals. The bodies included some of the nine members of the Daloo family who died Sunday when the Israeli missile destroyed the building in which they had been.
When asked whether he thought the toll on civilians, particularly children, was too high and Hamas and its allies should stop firing rockets at Israel, he replied that the victims included a woman in her 70s and a 4-year-old child.
"All the Israeli media said that there are fighters inside the house, but we are from the family. We're denying totally that there is a fighter inside the house that was bombarded," he said.
"And we ask all the groups to retaliate for these massacres and we believe now we shouldn't talk about ceasefire at all," he said.
It's really hard to understand the logic of firing empty missiles but the public seem to like the idea.
16 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:22:34pm |
17 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:23:01pm |
re: #13 ProGunLiberal
I need a non-pukey, healthy pale green color for a map I am trying to make.
21 | Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:24:54pm |
re: #7 Gus
Oh boy... The Onion Goes Anti-Semitic
Warning, links to Breitbart.
That's the same Breitbart clown responsible for: Your Bigoted Fear-Mongering All-Caps Breitbart.com Headline of the Day.
22 | Political Atheist Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:25:08pm |
re: #16 ProGunLiberal
This might do
R 196
G 227
B 155
23 | Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:26:29pm |
Previously at the Onion: Crazed Palestinian Gunman Angered by Stereotypes
25 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:27:32pm |
re: #23 Charles Johnson
Previously at the Onion: Crazed Palestinian Gunman Angered by Stereotypes
The Onion will make fun out of anything.
26 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:28:41pm |
27 | researchok Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:33:10pm |
re: #14 Killgore Trout
It is unlikely an empty rocket tube killed that family of three.
Further, who is to say what payloads those rockets might carry down the road.
28 | Obdicut Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:35:24pm |
re: #23 Charles Johnson
More Onion:
Hamas Calls For 'Giant Summit' With All Israelis
Haniyeh characterized the one-day summit as "the final solution to the Israeli-Palestinian dispute," and invited every Jewish citizen of the world to attend. Haniyeh said he expects more than 5 million participants from Israel alone.
"It was foolish of us to think that a satisfactory resolution could be reached through small-scale aggression," Haniyeh said. "It will take more than the sporadic deaths of small groups of Israeli civilians to achieve our ends."
"This summit is long overdue," he added.
29 | Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:37:15pm |
Creepy neo-Confederate Robert Stacy McCain has another in his seemingly endless series of posts on my irrelevance: [Link: theothermccain.com...]
RS McCain's condensed wingnut history of LGF is a hoot:
Since 2007, however, LGF has imploded, following the apparent mental breakdown of its operator, Charles Johnson, who went psycho on Pamela Geller, embraced global warming, began attacking climate-change “denialists,” declared war on the Tea Party and presided over months of frenzied purges during which he and his henchmen banned thousands of the site’s former commenters, eventually banning even some of the LGF henchmen who had led the original wave of purges.
I went psycho on poor innocent Pamela Geller! And months of frenzied purges! Sounds very dramatic. Then the most horrible of all... I embraced global warming! Gahh! Nooooooooo.....
31 | dragonfire1981 Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:38:35pm |
re: #29 Charles Johnson
Creepy neo-Confederate Robert Stacy McCain has another in his seemingly endless series of posts on my irrelevance: [Link: theothermccain.com...]
RS McCain's condensed wingnut history of LGF is a hoot:
I went psycho on poor innocent Pamela Geller! And months of frenzied purges! Sounds very dramatic. Then I embraced climate change! Gahh! Nooooooooo.....
I don't buy it. No evil villain worth his salt would get rid of that many henchmen.
34 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:40:58pm |
36 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:41:28pm |
re: #29 Charles Johnson
Creepy neo-Confederate Robert Stacy McCain has another in his seemingly endless series of posts on my irrelevance: [Link: theothermccain.com...]
RS McCain's condensed wingnut history of LGF is a hoot:
I went psycho on poor innocent Pamela Geller! And months of frenzied purges! Sounds very dramatic. Then I embraced climate change! Gahh! Nooooooooo.....
They really love that Pallywood stuff. They have a sad that some of us have a more complicated view of it. Derps.
37 | Kragar Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:41:48pm |
38 | dragonfire1981 Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:42:14pm |
re: #32 Charles Johnson
I have henchmen?
I tempted to do a page featuring a fake profile of Charles as a Super Villian like the right wingers see them.
39 | Kragar Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:42:19pm |
40 | researchok Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:42:20pm |
41 | A Man for all Seasons Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:43:08pm |
re: #29 Charles Johnson
Henchman? Henchman? Who the hell uses the term Henchman anymore? He is still living in the 40's.
42 | researchok Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:43:26pm |
43 | Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:43:31pm |
McCain only writes this stuff for his tiny blog audience -- anyone who's sane would get to the part about me "going psycho on Pamela Geller" and start laughing uncontrollably.
45 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:44:48pm |
re: #27 researchok
It is unlikely an empty rocket tube killed that family of three.
Further, who is to say what payloads those rockets might carry down the road.
True but for the longer range rockets they've been taking out the payload to increase range. It just seemss odd that the Palestinian public is aware of this and thinks it's a good idea. Oh well.
I'm starting to think the Israelis are going to avoid a ground invasion if they can. Although I don't see much military purpose it does kind of piss me off that the Israelis just have to sit and wait for the Palestinians to fire all their rockets. There are no good choices.
46 | Henchman Ghazi-808 Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:45:13pm |
re: #29 Charles Johnson
Creepy neo-Confederate Robert Stacy McCain has another in his seemingly endless series of posts on my irrelevance: [Link: theothermccain.com...]
RS McCain's condensed wingnut history of LGF is a hoot:
I went psycho on poor innocent Pamela Geller! And months of frenzied purges! Sounds very dramatic. Then the most horrible of all... I embraced global warming! Gahh! Nooooooooo.....
Can I be one of your henchmen? I want the Power To Ban.
47 | Henchman Ghazi-808 Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:45:53pm |
48 | dragonfire1981 Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:46:25pm |
Let's see, alternate words for henchmen: Guards, Troops, Goons, Thugs, "Associates", Stormtroopers, Officers, "Family" members, Agents, Lackeys.
49 | wrenchwench Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:46:49pm |
50 | Political Atheist Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:48:29pm |
51 | Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:48:35pm |
re: #46 Kronocide
Can I be one of your henchmen? I want the Power To Ban.
I don't know ... how are you at frenzy? We won't stand for any calm, calculated purges around here. We're about out of control frantic purging. Not everybody can work themselves up into the swivel-eyed, slobbering state of frenzy that the job requires.
52 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:49:17pm |
What's funny about the Pallywood obsessed?
A. They're currently upset at The Onion, and
B. They watch a lot of Fox News. Fox News vs. Pallywood. Get it?
53 | Kragar Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:49:33pm |
re: #48 dragonfire1981
Let's see, alternate words for henchmen: Guards, Troops, Goons, Thugs, "Associates", Stormtroopers, Officers, "Family" members, Agents, Lackeys.
II Guidelines for Legion of Doom troops:
15. If your unit's name contains words like "Imperial", "Elite", "Supreme", "Tactical", "Storm" or "Special", request a transfer as soon as possible. These guys always get clobbered first when the Heroes attack.
54 | wrenchwench Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:49:56pm |
A friend and I went for a hike this morning, and as we were headed into the woods, four guys were headed out, two with dead deer slung over their shoulders. So...
Image: q3DBhhockkqROSTMQ6Tm4g2.jpg
Yeah.
Later, lizards.
55 | Henchman 25 Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:50:10pm |
re: #51 Charles Johnson
Do 20 points into the Frenzy Skill count toward any of that?
56 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:51:41pm |
57 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:52:02pm |
We're henchmen now? Does this mean I'm getting a raise in my paycheck?
//
58 | Lidane Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:52:35pm |
59 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:52:39pm |
Michael Moore makes the rec list at DKos
An Open Letter to President Obama
Brilliant ideas such as going over the fiscal cliff, ending all the wars and freeing Bradley Manning.
60 | b_sharp Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:53:07pm |
re: #57 Targetpractice
We're henchmen now? Does this mean I'm getting a raise in my paycheck?
//
You get a paycheck?
61 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:53:53pm |
re: #60 Henchman 26
You get a paycheck?
Well, not a "paycheck" per say, but when I joined up, I was promised a monthly check from the International Zionist Conspiracy. Which, yet again, is LATE!
//
62 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:54:02pm |
63 | Lidane Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:54:57pm |
re: #57 Targetpractice
We're henchmen now? Does this mean I'm getting a raise in my paycheck?
//
Only if you're both expendable and invulnerable. Heh.
64 | Henchman Ghazi-808 Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:55:47pm |
re: #51 Charles Johnson
I don't know ... how are you at frenzy? We won't stand for any calm, calculated purges around here. We're about out of control frantic purging. Not everybody can work themselves up into the swivel-eyed, slobbering state of frenzy that the job requires.
I'm pretty twitchy and highly impulsive. But I can learn the slobbering.
65 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:56:35pm |
Speaking of Pallywood.
The discredited Daily Caller gins up outrage over a web page for immigrants created during the Bush Administration: mm4a.org/XuDtNo— Media Matters (@mmfa) November 20, 2012
Ha ha!
67 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:57:06pm |
re: #63 Lidane
Only if you're both expendable and invulnerable. Heh.
"Ah, if there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe whatever you say."
68 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:58:00pm |
re: #29 Charles Johnson
Creepy neo-Confederate Robert Stacy McCain has another in his seemingly endless series of posts on my irrelevance: [Link: theothermccain.com...]
RS McCain's condensed wingnut history of LGF is a hoot:
I went psycho on poor innocent Pamela Geller! And months of frenzied purges! Sounds very dramatic. Then the most horrible of all... I embraced global warming! Gahh! Nooooooooo.....
Lizard Thermidor.
69 | Kragar Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:58:03pm |
One of my superpowers includes a dead on accurate impersonation of Henchmen 24.
70 | Kragar Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:59:48pm |
71 | b_sharp Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:00:38pm |
re: #69 Kragar
One of my superpowers includes a dead on accurate impersonation of Henchmen 24.
You play dead?
72 | Kragar Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:01:30pm |
73 | Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:02:15pm |
Yikes. Just checked the firewall logs on the new web server for the first time. It's incredible how many ssh login attempts are going on constantly, every minute of every hour. I can't believe how many brute force attacks have been shut down in just a few weeks.
A vast unseen army of malicious bots is constantly testing and probing the defenses of every server on the web.
75 | Lidane Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:03:08pm |
The fact that several of us went for Venture Bros. clips of the Monarch and his henchmen says a lot.
I just haven't figured out exactly what it says. Haha.
76 | b_sharp Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:03:45pm |
re: #73 Charles Johnson
Yikes. Just checked the firewall logs on the new web server for the first time. It's incredible how many ssh login attempts are going on constantly, every minute of every hour. I can't believe how many brute force attacks have been shut down in just a few weeks.
A vast unseen army of malicious bots is constantly testing and probing the defenses of every server on the web.
Good reason not to have a 'root' account.
77 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:04:28pm |
re: #73 Charles Johnson
Yikes. Just checked the firewall logs on the new web server for the first time. It's incredible how many ssh login attempts are going on constantly, every minute of every hour. I can't believe how many brute force attacks have been shut down in just a few weeks.
A vast unseen army of malicious bots is constantly testing and probing the defenses of every server on the web.
They look anything like this?
78 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:06:54pm |
re: #75 Lidane
The fact that several of us went for Venture Bros. clips of the Monarch and his henchmen says a lot.
I just haven't figured out exactly what it says. Haha.
Could be worse, it could be FiM clips.
79 | Kragar Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:07:42pm |
re: #76 Henchman 26
Good reason not to have a 'root' account.
Buddy of mine once told me he had his network completely secure before going on deployment.
20 minutes later I had him completely shutdown just using web mail access and default names for service accounts.
80 | Kragar Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:08:52pm |
re: #75 Lidane
The fact that several of us went for Venture Bros. clips of the Monarch and his henchmen says a lot.
I just haven't figured out exactly what it says. Haha.
81 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:08:53pm |
re: #41 A Man for all Seasons
Henchman? Henchman? Who the hell uses the term Henchman anymore? He is still living in the 40's.
We are all honcos.
82 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:09:14pm |
83 | Kragar Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:09:14pm |
84 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:09:19pm |
85 | Lidane Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:10:19pm |
re: #78 Targetpractice
Could be worse, it could be FiM clips.
I actually started watching that when I was looking for a job. It's ridiculous and cheesy but I thought it was cute. And if I was the target age all over again, I'd be pestering my mom for all the toys I could handle. Haha.
86 | A Man for all Seasons Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:12:44pm |
Guess I'll need to change my Status on FB to Henchman
87 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:12:48pm |
This is as ridiculous as anything I see on Fox. Come on man, you're better than that. RT@mjayrosenberg This is Obama's War.— BWD (@theonlyadult) November 20, 2012
88 | simoom Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:12:55pm |
The office of the Director of National Intelligence responds to, and debunks, the latest iteration of the endlessly shifting Benghazi conspiracy theories, that the White House edited the declassified talking points, removing references to al Qaeda for the sake of political expediency:
[Link: security.blogs.cnn.com...]
The intelligence community - not the White House, State Department or Justice Department - was responsible for the substantive changes made to the talking points distributed for government officials who spoke publicly about the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, the spokesman for the director of national intelligence said Monday.
The unclassified talking points on Libya, developed several days after the the deadly attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, were not substantively changed by any agency outside of the intelligence community, according to the spokesman, Shawn Turner.
Republican criticism of the talking points intensified last Friday following a closed door hearing with former CIA Director David Petraeus.
Rep. Peter King, R-New York, told reporters after the hearing that the original talking parts drafted by the CIA had been changed and it was unclear who was responsible.
"The original talking points were much more specific about al Qaeda involvement and yet final ones just said indications of extremists," King said.
...
The unclassified talking points were first developed by the CIA at the request of the House Intelligence Committee, whose members wanted to know what they could say publicly about the Benghazi attack.
The initial version included information linking individuals involved in the attack to al Qaeda, according to a senior U.S. official familiar with the drafting of the talking points But when the document was sent to the rest of the intelligence community for review, there was a decision to change "al Qaeda" to "extremists." The official said the change was made for legitimate intelligence and legal reasons, not for political purposes.
"First, the information about individuals linked to al Qaeda was derived from classified sources," the official said. "Second, when links were so tenuous - as they still are - it makes sense to be cautious before pointing fingers so you don't set off a chain of circular and self-reinforcing assumptions. Third, it is important to be careful not to prejudice a criminal investigation in its early stages."
Some Republican members of Congress suggested the change came from within the Obama administration - from the White House, the Justice Department, or another government agency.
Turner, the spokesman for National Intelligence Director James Clapper, said that was not the case.
"The intelligence community made substantive, analytical changes before the talking points were sent to government agency partners for their feedback," Turner said, referring to the White House, Justice Department, State Department, Pentagon and FBI. "There were no substantive changes made to the talking points after they left the intelligence community," he said.
The White House on Friday said it made only one change, substituting the word "mission" for "consulate."
The FBI requested a change in language which originally stated the U.S. "knew" Islamic extremists participated in the attack. According to a U.S. intelligence official the wording was changed to "there are indications" Islamic extremists participated.
89 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:13:10pm |
re: #85 Lidane
I actually started watching that when I was looking for a job. It's ridiculous and cheesy but I thought it was cute. And if I was the target age all over again, I'd be pestering my mom for all the toys I could handle. Haha.
I'll admit I watched the series, haven't seen the most recent episodes. And I say that because it reminds me of a lot of the cartoons I watched during the 90s, that it's not simple and childish, and there's enough references to stuff that adults would know to get the jokes.
90 | Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:13:26pm |
OK, I have to stop grepping through these logs now, I'm gonna have nightmares.
91 | Lidane Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:13:59pm |
92 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:14:48pm |
re: #88 simoom
The office of the Director of National Intelligence responds to, and debunks, the latest iteration of the endlessly shifting Benghazi conspiracy theories, that the White House edited the declassified talking points, removing references to al Qaeda for the sake of political expediency:
[Link: security.blogs.cnn.com...]
The wingnut talking point now seems to be that, since the White House "knew" it was a terrorist attack as it was occurring, that being "honest" on Day One would have headed off accusations of "lies."
93 | prairiefire Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:16:10pm |
re: #85 Lidane
I'm not the target age, but I buy all the toys I want. That's one advantage of being an adult.
Fun fact ~ I helped the Columbia Record club to change their rules and only allow folks 18 and over to commit to those buying contracts. They tried to make me finish my buying obligation and I wrote them back that I had just learned in my Business Law class that being 17, they could not hold me to the contract!
94 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:16:36pm |
95 | b_sharp Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:17:02pm |
re: #90 Charles Johnson
OK, I have to stop grepping through these logs now, I'm gonna have nightmares.
Change to awk.
96 | Stanghazi Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:18:58pm |
re: #93 prairiefire
I'm not the target age, but I buy all the toys I want. That's one advantage of being an adult.
Fun fact ~ I helped the Columbia Record club to change their rules and only allow folks 18 and over to commit to those buying contracts. They tried to make me finish my buying obligation and I wrote them back that I had just learned in my Business Law class that being 17, they could not hold me to the contract!
omg Columbia record club!!!
I think I scammed them like everyone else.
97 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:19:04pm |
re: #90 Charles Johnson
OK, I have to stop grepping through these logs now, I'm gonna have nightmares.
I had my ssh server exposed to the world for a while when I was hosting a website temporarily. I watched, live, one night as someone tried a fairly comprehensive dictionary attack on my machine. It was fascinating in a morbid sense.
98 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:21:08pm |
Another Walmart reminder as you plan your holiday season shopping... twitter.com/amaditalks/sta...— Amadi (@amaditalks) November 20, 2012
100 | Lidane Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:25:17pm |
re: #93 prairiefire
I'd buy all the toys, but I'm waiting until I move into a new place first. Heh.
101 | BongCrodny Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:27:10pm |
Only 'cuz no one else appears to have thought of it:
Henchlizards.
102 | b_sharp Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:27:28pm |
re: #97 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
I had my ssh server exposed to the world for a while when I was hosting a website temporarily. I watched, live, one night as someone tried a fairly comprehensive dictionary attack on my machine. It was fascinating in a morbid sense.
My server would be easy to crack. There is nothing in there anyone would want tho.
103 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:28:00pm |
I had a wingnut try to "splain" to me that Walmart "saves the taxpayer money!" I'm like WTF? and he's like all "Yeah cause if they didn't work for shit pay at Walmart they'd be like all unemployed and totally on welfare and food stamps and shit."
*head desk*
That's how these folks "think"
104 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:29:00pm |
re: #102 Henchman 26
My server would be easy to crack. There is nothing in there anyone would want tho.
I didn't particularly care if they made their way in. I was more just fascinated by being able to watch live. I backtracked them to a .ro hostname, but of course, who knows if that's actually where they were. At the time, though, I didn't know about the layers of indirection hackers could go through.
105 | Lidane Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:29:23pm |
re: #103 Vicious Babushka
I had a wingnut try to "splain" to me that Walmart "saves the taxpayer money!" I'm like WTF? and he's like all "Yeah cause if they didn't work for shit pay at Walmart they'd be like all unemployed and totally on welfare and food stamps and shit."
*head desk*
That's how these folks "think"
I bet he thinks that drug testing for welfare is a smart, fiscally sound idea that will save the states money, too.
106 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:30:10pm |
The first map I am making will be ready tomorrow, with the color you chose.
I have also purchased 4/9ths of the Computer I am building.
107 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:30:23pm |
re: #105 Lidane
I bet he thinks that drug testing for welfare is a smart, fiscally sound idea that will save the states money, too.
Totally.
108 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:32:12pm |
re: #103 Vicious Babushka
I've noticed that even the most educated conservatives tend to be stuck in Magical Economics Land.
Of course, it has been heart-breaking to see a once sweet friend become a smug, elitist-minded Libertarian. She was a much kinder person when she was a Social Conservative. :'(
109 | freetoken Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:32:27pm |
Tragedy by design?
110 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:32:32pm |
re: #103 Vicious Babushka
I had a wingnut try to "splain" to me that Walmart "saves the taxpayer money!" I'm like WTF? and he's like all "Yeah cause if they didn't work for shit pay at Walmart they'd be like all unemployed and totally on welfare and food stamps and shit."
*head desk*
That's how these folks "think"
Tried talking to my folks about that, and they just totally blew me off. The idea that a person can have a job and still collect welfare just totally does not compute in their minds. The only people who seem to collect food stamps and financial aid are the "lazy asses" who are "too good" to hold down a job.
111 | freetoken Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:34:40pm |
re: #110 Targetpractice
Hey, there are people out there I've come across that fear that Obama was going to take Social Security away.
Yes, really.
Goes to show how well propaganda works.
112 | Lidane Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:34:43pm |
re: #107 Vicious Babushka
Totally.
*sigh*
Ever since Rick Perry announced he wants to mandate drug tests for welfare and unemployment here in Texas my Republican FB friends keep posting about how great that is, because they work for their money so no one should get to live high on the hog on welfare for free.
They always conveniently skip the part where Perry would mandate those same drug tests for unemployment benefits too. Just wait until one of them gets laid off and has to be tested before they get the money they're entitled to. I'm sure they'll turn around and rant about bureaucrats and invasive government.
113 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:35:06pm |
re: #110 Targetpractice
Tried talking to my folks about that, and they just totally blew me off. The idea that a person can have a job and still collect welfare just totally does not compute in their minds. The only people who seem to collect food stamps and financial aid are the "lazy asses" who are "too good" to hold down a job.
Yeah, my dad said as much in his unhinged rant that I referred to from their weekend visit here to the wild north country. It's clear that they have an irrational hatred of anything government.
114 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:35:25pm |
re: #110 Targetpractice
Tried talking to my folks about that, and they just totally blew me off. The idea that a person can have a job and still collect welfare just totally does not compute in their minds. The only people who seem to collect food stamps and financial aid are the "lazy asses" who are "too good" to hold down a job.
The "argument" (such as it is) goes that yeah, Walmart workers get SOME welfare and food stamps but if they didn't work at Walmart they would get EVEN MORE WELFARE AND FOOD STAMPS so "Walmart is saving taxpayers money."
Oh G-D my brain hurts.
115 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:37:20pm |
re: #112 Lidane
*sigh*
Ever since Rick Perry announced he wants to mandate drug tests for welfare and unemployment here in Texas my Republican FB friends keep posting about how great that is, because they work for their money so no one should get to live high on the hog on welfare for free.
They always conveniently skip the part where Perry would mandate those same drug tests for unemployment benefits too. Just wait until one of them gets laid off and has to be tested before they get the money they're entitled to. I'm sure they'll turn around and rant about bureaucrats and invasive government.
Every place that I worked from about 1987 to 2002 had a mandatory drug test as a condition for employment. Then I think somebody filed a lawsuit and suddenly these drug tests were ruled unconstitutional.
116 | engineer cat Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:38:26pm |
i'm contemplating changing my nym to 'bankrupt twinkies'
what do you think?
117 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:38:52pm |
re: #114 Vicious Babushka
The "argument" (such as it is) goes that yeah, Walmart workers get SOME welfare and food stamps but if they didn't work at Walmart they would get EVEN MORE WELFARE AND FOOD STAMPS so "Walmart is saving taxpayers money."
Oh G-D my brain hurts.
"So what if he needs a little help! At least he has a job!"
That really is an indictment of our nation, that we've come to believe that no matter how shitty the job is, how poor the pay, or how much our boss treats us like a slave, "at least we have a job."
118 | Lidane Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:39:43pm |
re: #115 Vicious Babushka
Every place that I worked from about 1987 to 2002 had a mandatory drug test as a condition for employment. Then I think somebody filed a lawsuit and suddenly these drug tests were ruled unconstitutional.
Oh, that's another one I hear a lot. "I have to take a drug test to get a job, so these lazy welfare jerks should get a drug test before they get their money!"
*sigh*
119 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:41:19pm |
re: #118 Lidane
Oh, that's another one I hear a lot. "I have to take a drug test to get a job, so these lazy welfare jerks should get a drug test before they get their money!"
*sigh*
Elderly people (who are the most likely to be on government assistance) usually take a whole shitload of prescription meds.
120 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:42:15pm |
re: #117 Targetpractice
"So what if he needs a little help! At least he has a job!"
That really is an indictment of our nation, that we've come to believe that no matter how shitty the job is, how poor the pay, or how much our boss treats us like a slave, "at least we have a job."
Oh and, "well if they're working at Walmart they must be too stupid to get a job anywhere else."
Heard that one too.
121 | Lidane Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:43:49pm |
It's official-- Ben & Jerry's are crafty bastards. They've created the single greatest thing I've ever tasted:
[Link: www.benjerry.com...]
Oh my god. I'm going to have to force myself to stop eating this or the whole pint will disappear.
122 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:43:54pm |
re: #120 Vicious Babushka
Oh and, "well if they're working at Walmart they must be too stupid to get a job anywhere else."
Heard that one too.
I don't know if it's just a Midwest thing or what, but I hear that going around a lot among my circles of friends.
123 | prairiefire Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:46:02pm |
I've got to get my jingle on and get listing on Ebay. Those credit card bills aren't going to pay themselves.
124 | Political Atheist Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:47:26pm |
re: #109 freetoken
Tragedy by design?
Let me say hmmm. Lots more to come later. I'm skeptical of gas. Hell of a big bang.
125 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:48:06pm |
re: #120 Vicious Babushka
Oh and, "well if they're working at Walmart they must be too stupid to get a job anywhere else."
Heard that one too.
Yep, if you're working retail or food service, then you're "too stupid" to get a better job.
126 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:49:04pm |
re: #27 researchok
It is unlikely an empty rocket tube killed that family of three.
Further, who is to say what payloads those rockets might carry down the road.
The BM-21 is capable of carrying cluster rounds and even Field Artillery SCAtterable Mines (FASCAM). Hamas does not use FASCAM rounds, though, perhaps in part because such rounds are detested within Europe. Using them would cause papers like the Guardian to be less friendly to Hamas.
A large rocket like the Fajhr-5 can carry Sarin or VX nerve gas payloads. But unless Hamas was going for broke and about collapse, I can't see them using chemical weapons. If they did, they'd lose all sympathy in the West at once and Israel would do what ever it took thereafter to destroy Hamas.
127 | freetoken Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:49:09pm |
Academia, the reality:
Maryland students react to move to Big Ten
[...]
And this move isn’t just about athletics, Maryland President Wallace D. Loh said at a press conference on Monday afternoon, flanked by a group of coaches and staff members. Loh said the new conference will bring the university more money — and more academic perks.
[...]
Back in my day the Big Ten was defined geographically (as these conferences were by nature), a reasonably idea given the amount of travel incurred by teams.
Now, Minnesota teams will have to travel a thousand miles to Maryland, or Maryland teams likewise in reverse.
Academia is not about efficiency -its about big business and building edifices so that regents and board members can point to buildings with their names on them.
128 | prairiefire Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:51:22pm |
re: #127 freetoken
The South East conference is kicking MU's but. Those southern boys are born brawling and they are making our farm boys look like weak kneed wonkers.
129 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:51:53pm |
Anonymous Hackers Ramp Up Israeli Web Attacks And Data Breaches As Gaza Conflict Rages
“We dislike Israel, we dislike Jews even more,” read the statement posted with the last of that list of data spills, which consisted of mostly government officials’ email addresses. “So, all you fucked up baby-killing government officials can get spammed back to the 90′s when your router got fried.”
130 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:52:44pm |
re: #129 Killgore Trout
Anonymous Hackers Ramp Up Israeli Web Attacks And Data Breaches As Gaza Conflict Rages
*facepalm*
131 | Obdicut Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:53:10pm |
re: #127 freetoken
Academia is not about efficiency -its about big business and building edifices so that regents and board members can point to buildings with their names on them.
In behalf of my father who just retired after more than forty years teaching , and my mother who is still going strong at Rhode Island College: Why the fuck are you leaving teachers entirely out of your analysis of 'academia'?
Academia is also about that quaint old deal of teaching students.
132 | freetoken Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:53:28pm |
We'll all miss Ron Paul, won't we?
Ron Paul: Secession is 'deeply American principle'
Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, said today that secession was a “deeply American principle,” amid a growing number of people petitioning the White House to let their states secede from the U.S.
[...]
133 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:54:07pm |
re: #130 Targetpractice
*facepalm*
As outrageous as it might seem it's just 4chan children. They're angry and stupid.
134 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:54:22pm |
re: #132 freetoken
We'll all miss Ron Paul, won't we?
Tell us how that little secession thing worked out again.
135 | Obdicut Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:54:34pm |
re: #130 Targetpractice
Great and appropriate Thomas Mann quote on the splash page before the article for me:
War is a cowardly escape from the problems of peace.
136 | Lidane Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:54:45pm |
re: #132 freetoken
We'll all miss Ron Paul, won't we?
Fuck him and his ignorant, economically illiterate Neo-Confederate ass.
I won't miss him at all. =P
138 | Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:56:45pm |
re: #132 freetoken
I ignored Ron Paul's big farewell message. Good riddance. The quicker these right wing dinosaurs go away, the better.
139 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:57:50pm |
re: #132 freetoken
We'll all miss Ron Paul, won't we?
A principle that got its ass kicked almost 150 years ago.
140 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:00:11pm |
re: #133 Killgore Trout
As outrageous as it might seem it's just 4chan children. They're angry and stupid.
I'm more concerned about the Glenn Greenwald's, MJ Rosenbergs and Andrew Sullivan's of the world. They're smarter, and although marginal these days, will become more mainstream with the next Republican president.
141 | freetoken Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:01:28pm |
re: #130 Obdicut
Why the fuck are you leaving teachers entirely out of your analysis of 'academia'?
Academia is also about that quaint old deal of teaching students.
Yes, quaint and old fashioned. As tenure becomes a thing of the past and more and more instruction is done by non-tenured contracted instructors the idea of the "academe" of old will pass into history.
Ok, so I'm a doomer, but I see government reducing expenditures on education (in constant dollars - inflation will eat away at the face value) when push comes to shove against medicare and social security.
It's already happened here in California. I know the local community colleges have slashed the number of classes being offered, and removed classes from their catalogs that aren't required for degrees (art classes tend to get hit hard in this case.)
But somehow the regents/college districts always seem to find money to borrow to build new buildings. And then let the classrooms remain empty because they don't have the budget to hire a (non-tenured) instructor to teach a class.
142 | prairiefire Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:03:11pm |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
I'm more concerned about the Glenn Greenwald's, MJ Rosenbergs and Andrew Sullivan's of the world. They're smarter, and although marginal these days, will become more mainstream with the next Republican president.
Why do you include Andrew Sullivan with the other two?
143 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:03:37pm |
My sister pointed out the other day that it seems more and more features and books are being made about Lincoln lately. And I had to point out to her that, starting last year, we're in the middle of what is essentially a very long 150th anniversary of the American Civil War.
144 | Obdicut Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:04:00pm |
re: #141 freetoken
What do you get out of being such a doomer? Serious question.
145 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:04:50pm |
Bought Turkey legs today. I had to request them at the butcher's counter but 6 large turkey legs cost me under a buck each. I don't think I could eat one in a single sitting. I may add them to my regular rotation.
146 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:05:35pm |
re: #144 Obdicut
I see his point, but I also see demographics. The Republicans will continue to create major issues for the next 10-15 years, but then we get to getting America a new time in the light.
147 | prairiefire Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:06:47pm |
re: #145 Killgore Trout
I find they have too many tendons the kids won't eat, which negates the fun of hooting like a cave man and waving them around.
148 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:06:51pm |
re: #142 prairiefire
Why do you include Andrew Sullivan with the other two?
He's along the same lines, more or less. I could throw in Max Blumenthal and Michael Moore. They're aren't all necessarily on the same cardinal points of the compass but equally off the rails of reality.
149 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:08:55pm |
re: #147 prairiefire
I find they have too many tendons the kids won't eat, which negates the fun of hooting like a cave man and waving them around.
I'm going to brine them and slow cook them on the grill. Might soften up the sinew. I can't recall the last time I ate a turkey leg, probably not since I was a kid.
150 | Bubblehead II Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:10:42pm |
re: #109 freetoken
Tragedy by design?
I don't think so. I suspect that they had a problem with their gas fired furnace. Boyfriend tried to fix it and failed. Sadly it took the lives of their next door neighbors.
"The couple lived next door to the house where investigators are focusing. The co-owner of that house, John Shirley, told The Associated Press he had recently received a text message from his daughter saying the furnace in the home, which she shares with her mother and her mother’s boyfriend, had gone out.
Shirley’s ex-wife, Monserrate Shirley, said her boyfriend, Mark Leonard, had replaced the thermostat recently and the furnace had resumed working."
This is why you call the pros.
The investigation will be for negligence, not malice fore thought.
151 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:11:43pm |
If Bush was president, progressives would be screaming about his silence re Gaza. But it's King Obama, the Infallible One.— Michael J Rosenberg (@MJayRosenberg) November 20, 2012
152 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:13:26pm |
re: #123 prairiefire
Mail me if you want help or advice!
153 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:14:53pm |
re: #151 Killgore Trout
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It was that dweeb MJay's freakout that convinced me to vote for Obama. It just proved that Obama is totally not the "Israel hater" the wingnuts say he is.
154 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:16:13pm |
re: #147 prairiefire
I find they have too many tendons the kids won't eat, which negates the fun of hooting like a cave man and waving them around.
But, chucking the bones over your shoulder is still fun!
*grunts*
Cavegirl style!
155 | prairiefire Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:16:32pm |
re: #152 Dancing along the light of day
Thanks! I will add that I don't actually buy all the toys I want, as today's credit card companies are not as easy to scam as yesterday's Columbia Record Club.
156 | simoom Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:17:03pm |
re: #151 Killgore Trout
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The thing is, Obama hasn't been silent, and some on the left clearly aren't happy with what he's been saying (the contents of that tweet for example). But he's obviously right that american tribal politics being what they are would mean a whole lot more noise if the opposition was in power.
157 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:19:08pm |
re: #153 Vicious Babushka
It was that dweeb MJay's freakout that convinced me to vote for Obama. It just proved that Obama is totally not the "Israel hater" the wingnuts say he is.
He is one nutty dude. I used to get pissed and upset by people like him but now I just think they're curiosities. Sometimes you can figure out how they ended up that way, sometimes not. It's still fun to try.
158 | Pawn of the Oppressor Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:19:34pm |
re: #121 Lidane
It's official-- Ben & Jerry's are crafty bastards. They've created the single greatest thing I've ever tasted:
[Link: www.benjerry.com...]
Oh my god. I'm going to have to force myself to stop eating this or the whole pint will disappear.
Give in to the dark side. Eat the whole thing.
(...I usually do, in one sitting. I've got a problem like that.)
/Coffee Heath Bar Crunch is my all-around favorite of theirs
160 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:22:06pm |
re: #156 simoom
The thing is, Obama hasn't been silent, and some on the left clearly aren't happy with what he's been saying (the contents of that tweet for example). But he's obviously right that american tribal politics being what they are would mean a whole lot more noise if the opposition was in power.
Yeah, as nutty as MJ is, he's not really wrong on that tweet. If Mitt had won we'd be seeing a lot of progressive stuff about the aggression in Gaza is because Mitt is Israel's servant, etc. Although a lot of progressive sites aren't happy but the reaction is subdued because Obama is still president. So it goes.
161 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:25:11pm |
re: #151 Killgore Trout
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Well, I've Tweeted a few things about Obama WRT to Gaza. Frankly, I'm not impressed. There's not much nuance in either his or State's response to this. It's basically a boiler plate response and nothing approaching progressive. The standard response of course would be that Obama's not a progressive. I voted for him. Now that he's won I think more progressives should speak out. After all, he was the one that said to hold his feet to the fire. Oh, on more thing. Obama "climate change policy" is rather weak if he even has any real policy at all. Sorry, but now that he's won I'm not going to be a "yes man" to him anymore.
162 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:28:10pm |
Another being his attitude about marijuana which is frankly rather antiquated.
163 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:35:57pm |
re: #156 simoom
The thing is, Obama hasn't been silent, and some on the left clearly aren't happy with what he's been saying (the contents of that tweet for example). But he's obviously right that american tribal politics being what they are would mean a whole lot more noise if the opposition was in power.
The Barack Obama of 2004 might well have spoken out against Operation: Pillar of Justice, but the Obama of 2012 has learned many things about security policy and he's come to understand that sometimes violence is the only answer to enemy bent on aggression.
164 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:39:56pm |
re: #160 Killgore Trout
Yeah, as nutty as MJ is, he's not really wrong on that tweet. If Mitt had won we'd be seeing a lot of progressive stuff about the aggression in Gaza is because Mitt is Israel's servant, etc. Although a lot of progressive sites aren't happy but the reaction is subdued because Obama is still president. So it goes.
Note: Obama would still be president.
165 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:45:37pm |
re: #161 Gus
Well, I've Tweeted a few things about Obama WRT to Gaza. Frankly, I'm not impressed. There's not much nuance in either his or State's response to this. It's basically a boiler plate response and nothing approaching progressive. The standard response of course would be that Obama's not a progressive. I voted for him. Now that he's won I think more progressives should speak out. After all, he was the one that said to hold his feet to the fire. Oh, on more thing. Obama "climate change policy" is rather weak if he even has any real policy at all. Sorry, but now that he's won I'm not going to be a "yes man" to him anymore.
I'll basically agree with you on that but my perspective is a bit different. You're asking the right question but from the wrong angle. It's not about "why isn't Obama more progressive" but "why can't Obama be more progressive.'' It's about understanding how the world works intead of asking why it doesn't work the way we want it to. Foriegn policy and energy policy are excellent examples, there's a reason why so little changes. I'm not sure what those reasons might be but I am sure those reasons aren't found on Fox, MSNBC, Daily caller or Think Progress.
166 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:49:18pm |
re: #162 Gus
Another being his attitude about marijuana which is frankly rather antiquated.
Another good example. That's about IRS/federal income tax. Obama might want to decriminalize weed but until there's federal legislation, all these state laws "legalizing" it don't mean shit.
167 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:53:07pm |
re: #165 Killgore Trout
I'll basically agree with you on that but my perspective is a bit different. You're asking the right question but from the wrong angle. It's not about "why isn't Obama more progressive" but "why can't Obama be more progressive.'' It's about understanding how the world works intead of asking why it doesn't work the way we want it to. Foriegn policy and energy policy are excellent examples, there's a reason why so little changes. I'm not sure what those reasons might be but I am sure those reasons aren't found on Fox, MSNBC, Daily caller or Think Progress.
Bold leadership. Heh.
168 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:53:53pm |
re: #160 Killgore Trout
This is WAY tasty...
[Link: www.gelsons.com...]
I think you would like it!
169 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:54:58pm |
re: #166 Killgore Trout
Another good example. That's about IRS/federal income tax. Obama might want to decriminalize weed but until there's federal legislation, all these state laws "legalizing" it don't mean shit.
You start by making statement and not like the one's he's made which sounded like something from Richard Nixon. He won't talk about decriminalizing weed because he doesn't want to decriminalize weed. Otherwise he'd make an effort to talk with that antique Harry Reed in the Senate and that other antique, Nancy Pelosi in the House to think about putting together some bill to revise the Controlled Substances Act of 1970.
170 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:57:50pm |
172 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:00:24pm |
re: #167 Gus
Bold leadership. Heh.
America has temporarily lost its appetite for boldness in foreign policy as a result of Operation: Iraqi Freedom. It may return in time, but for the present the length of US involvement in Iraq and the difficulties and casualties incurred have deadened America's desire to be bold. This is augmented by the isolationism that severe recessions naturally generate.
No, the United States of America will not be exercising bold leadership on the international states in the near term nor likely in the mid-term. We're tired, frustrated, and broke.
173 | dragonath Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:00:53pm |
re: #170 Decatur Deb
"I guess trying to capture Baghdad was better than Baghdad itself"
-Murad IV, Ottoman Sultan
174 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:01:33pm |
re: #173 dragonath
You can thank the Mongols for that.
175 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:03:43pm |
re: #172 Dark_Falcon
America has temporarily lost its appetite for boldness in foreign policy as a result of Operation: Iraqi Freedom. It may return in time, but for the present the length of US involvement in Iraq and the difficulties and casualties incurred have deadened America's desire to be bold. This is augmented by the isolationism that severe recessions naturally generate.
No, the United States of America will not be exercising bold leadership on the international states in the near term nor likely in the mid-term. We're tired, frustrated, and broke.
Commie. //
177 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:09:34pm |
re: #170 Decatur Deb
We've done 'bold'. It got us Baghdad. Let's try "calm".
Just read a quote from Obama's speech in Burma. Sounds almost exactly like his campaign stump speeches.
178 | allegro Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:10:40pm |
re: #131 Obdicut
In behalf of my father who just retired after more than forty years teaching , and my mother who is still going strong at Rhode Island College: Why the fuck are you leaving teachers entirely out of your analysis of 'academia'?
Academia is also about that quaint old deal of teaching students.
Upding for the charming naivete.
179 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:11:02pm |
re: #177 Gus
Just read a quote from Obama's speech in Burma. Sounds almost exactly like his campaign stump speeches.
Do you mean he didn't shake his etch-a-sketch?
180 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:11:43pm |
re: #179 Decatur Deb
Do you mean he didn't shake his etch-a-sketch?
President Obama on Monday in #Burma: "Even though we come from different places, we share common dreams" twitter.com/whitehouse/sta...— The White House (@whitehouse) November 20, 2012
181 | Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:12:55pm |
In winter I become more like my cats; Bedtime is the most fantastic thing to happen to anybody ever. I count down the minutes in anticipation.
183 | efuseakay Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:13:44pm |
re: #14 Killgore Trout
I thought this article might have a little more info on the phone calls. Not really but there are some interesting quotes from Gazans.
Phone Call Tells Gazans to Get Out; Missiles Hit Minutes LaterIt's really hard to understand the logic of firing empty missiles but the public seem to like the idea.
Empty missiles cost next to nothing... having the Iron Dome shoot them down costs Israel tons of $$$. I doubt that's the way Hamas is thinking, but it could end up having an effect in the long run.
184 | Four More Tears Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:13:58pm |
Thrift Shop - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis
Seriously, watch this.
185 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:14:05pm |
re: #180 Gus
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"To choose our leaders" is pretty radical in Rangoon and Freeperville.
186 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:15:08pm |
re: #185 Decatur Deb
"To choose our leaders" is pretty radical in Rangoon and Freeperville.
Yeah. I should see it as them hearing those words rather than from my own cynical, cranky mind.
187 | engineer cat Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:15:30pm |
soon we will celebrate the uniquely american festival of thanksgiving, when we bitch about how we do all the work while other people enjoy the soft life living offa our taxes and my brother in law is an idiot why does he have to spend the holidays here
188 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:16:51pm |
re: #183 efuseakay
Empty missiles cost next to nothing... having the Iron Dome shoot them down costs Israel tons of $$$. I doubt that's the way Hamas is thinking, but it could end up having an effect in the long run.
At some point the different production rates of junk fireworks and Rafael's capacity comes into play.
189 | prairiefire Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:17:24pm |
re: #184 Four More Tears
Thrift Shop - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis
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Man, that song is so me.
190 | JAFO Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:19:31pm |
re: #183 efuseakay
Empty missiles cost next to nothing... having the Iron Dome shoot them down costs Israel tons of $$$. I doubt that's the way Hamas is thinking, but it could end up having an effect in the long run.
Or the empty missiles are used to swarm the system while the armed missiles launched just a tad later come on a lower and more direct track.
191 | Four More Tears Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:20:48pm |
Even with explosions going on around him in Gaza City Anderson Cooper still has time to make a burn. twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew…
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 20, 2012
192 | ProGunLiberal Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:21:45pm |
re: #191 Four More Tears
Golf Clap for AC.
194 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:22:49pm |
re: #193 Gus
Why? Having Anderson Cooper on the ground in Gaza is big.
This is not an endorsement of Hamas. //
195 | engineer cat Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:23:19pm |
broke
we've always been "broke", and we've always been horrifyingly more in debt than we've ever been, and i'm tired of hearing how this broke is a special, extra scary, end of the world broke
horse hockey
197 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:24:15pm |
re: #196 ProGunLiberal
No, I mean for the burn.
Ah, OK. Yeah, saw that earlier. Didn't think much of it.
200 | Achilles Tang Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:28:43pm |
re: #172 Dark_Falcon
America has temporarily lost its appetite for boldness in foreign policy as a result of Operation: Iraqi Freedom.
I didn't know that being bold required going to war.
201 | Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:30:54pm |
re: #200 Achilles Tang
I didn't know that being bold required going to war.
It doesn't, but you get only so far with the strongly-worded letter.
202 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:30:55pm |
re: #200 Achilles Tang
I didn't know that being bold required going to war.
My point about being "bold" had nothing to do with war.
203 | Achilles Tang Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:32:18pm |
205 | Achilles Tang Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:33:21pm |
207 | Achilles Tang Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:34:33pm |
209 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:41:13pm |
Why is it that if you leave a glass of diet Coke around that after a few hours it start to smell like a floor cleaner? Not a full taste but it has this tiny aroma of floor cleaner.
210 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:43:58pm |
re: #209 Gus
OK, how do you know what floor cleaner smells like?
NO, DO NOT ANSWER THAT!
giggles.
212 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:44:36pm |
re: #210 Dancing along the light of day
OK, how do you know what floor cleaner smells like?
NO, DO NOT ANSWER THAT!
giggles.
A smell is like a taste.
214 | Interesting Times Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:47:31pm |
re: #209 Gus
Why is it that if you leave a glass of diet Coke around that after a few hours it start to smell like a floor cleaner?
Tempted to make a Venn diagram for chemicals appearing in cleaning and food products, but perhaps somethings are better left unknown ;)
216 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:48:45pm |
Ugh, my old man's gonna drive me to drink. We've put off our travel plans for the last couple days because his back's been killing him. He decided to work overtime most of last week, then after going to the doctor yesterday and getting three scripts for pain killers and steroids as well as a referral for a consult, he lifts a big back of cat food and two heavy bags of cat litter into and out of his car. And yet, after spending the last couple days sleeping on and off due to the meds, he swears he's gonna leave tomorrow morning for a 10 hr car trip.
Yeah, I'm not holding my breath.
217 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:50:07pm |
I dedicate this Tweet to Buck.
At least where I am in #Gaza city, it seemed a quiet night, the first in almost a week. First time I've not been woken in middle of night.— Jon Donnison (@JonDonnison) November 20, 2012
218 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:00:08pm |
re: #217 Gus
I dedicate this Tweet to Buck.
[Embedded content]
Wait. Jon just said it was a quiet night? This can't be by accident.
//
219 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:01:50pm |
IDf says again it has been bombing underground rocket launching sites and weapons stores overnight. #Gaza— Jon Donnison (@JonDonnison) November 20, 2012
220 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:02:19pm |
re: #200 Achilles Tang
I didn't know that being bold required going to war.
It doesn't, but going to war is often a decison born in part by boldness and sometimes the effects of a war enhance or inhibit boldness, depending on the war's perceived outcome.
221 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:02:22pm |
That would explain why earlier I heard loud naval gun fire but no explosions.
224 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:09:30pm |
re: #198 engineer cat
hamo
hamas
hamathamamus
hamatis
hamant
hamas
hamatis
hamiti
hamatem
hamate
hamates
hamatum
hamatibus
hamates
hamatibus
225 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:11:31pm |
re: #199 Gus
Hamas, Christmas. Coincidence?
Hamas is the holiday when we celebrate the birth of ham?
226 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:12:06pm |
We should do "X."
How DARE you suggest we do "X." You have insulted my heritage, my family, my ancestors. MY NATION!
227 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:17:35pm |
re: #221 Gus
re: #222 Gus
That night your great guns, unawares,
Shook all our coffins as we lay,
And broke the chancel window-squares,
We thought it was the Judgment-dayAnd sat upright. While drearisome
Arose the howl of wakened hounds:
The mouse let fall the altar-crumb,
The worms drew back into the mounds,The glebe1 cow drooled. Till God called, “No;
It’s gunnery practise out at sea
Just as before you went below;
The world is as it used to be:“And all nations striving strong to make
Red war yet redder. Mad as hatters
They do no more for Christés sake
Than you who are helpless in such matters.“That this is not the judgement-hour
For some of them’s a blessed thing,
For if it were they’d have to scour
Hell’s floor for so much threatening. . . .“Ha, ha. It will be warmer when
I blow the trumpet (if indeed
I ever do; for you are men,
And rest eternal sorely need).”So down we lay again. “I wonder,
Will the world ever saner be,”
Said one, ‘than when He sent us under
In our indifferent century!”And many a skeleton shook his head.
“Instead of preaching forty year,”
My neighbour Parson Thirdly said,
“I wish I had stuck to pipes and beer.”Again the guns disturbed the hour,
Roaring their readiness to avenge,
As far inland as Stourton Tower,
And Camelot, and starlit Stonehenge2.
228 | Stanghazi Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:19:02pm |
Hi everyone. I'm one of those crazy Thanksgiving travelers, waiting @airport for red-eye to SC. 14.00 wine & its a shitshow of people.
229 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:19:09pm |
231 | RadicalModerate Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:19:37pm |
re: #32 Charles Johnson
I have henchmen?
Fess up. You've got a secret lair too.
All evil geniuses have secret lairs.
232 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:21:01pm |
@popeshakey @andersoncooper Ha! So true.— Gus (@Gus_802) November 20, 2012
235 | Lidane Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:22:21pm |
From the Cultural Sensitivity files:
237 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:24:38pm |
238 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:27:44pm |
re: #231 RadicalModerate
Fess up. You've got a secret lair too.
All evil geniuses have secret lairs.
Pssst, under the Denver Airport...
239 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:31:15pm |
re: #238 Dancing along the light of day
Pssst, under the Denver Airport...
Didn't you get warned what would happen next time you gave away classified information?!
//
240 | The Questionable Timing of a Flea Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:37:26pm |
re: #209 Gus
Why is it that if you leave a glass of diet Coke around that after a few hours it start to smell like a floor cleaner? Not a full taste but it has this tiny aroma of floor cleaner.
Quite possibly because both incorporate citrus oils as an aromatic ingredient.
241 | A Man for all Seasons Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:37:57pm |
I just heard Andy Grammer on the Tonight show. Band is effen awesome! I'm going to check out his band.
243 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:43:17pm |
re: #240 The Questionable Timing of a Flea
Quite possibly because both incorporate citrus oils as an aromatic ingredient.
Probably how they clean their machinery.
244 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:44:37pm |
re: #242 Gus
I used to be a henchman. Now my plans are more sinister.
"//"
I only henched to pay my way through college. I'm actually studying to be a veterinarian.
//
246 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:51:56pm |
re: #229 Gus
So all this time when they thought they were hiding it amongst the civilians you find out that because of this, they hid it in the southern part of the strip. Perhaps.
What, the planetary defense laser at the apex of the Luxor? I've known about that one for years. Perfectly safe to operate, and something the Illuminati let the rest of the world know about because the truly paranoid don't believe something can hide in plain sight like that.
247 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:52:39pm |
There was a bombing at a NATO post in Pakistan. One dead and three injured last I saw. Quite likely that over 100 were killed in Syria. Possibly 100s more in parts of Africa.
248 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:53:10pm |
re: #246 Dark_Falcon
What, the planetary defense laser at the apex of the Luxor? I've known about that one for years. Perfectly safe to operate, and something the Illuminati let the rest of the world know about because the truly paranoid don't believe something can hide in plain sight like that.
Nah. It's reverse logic.
249 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:55:02pm |
I for one am outraged. How can anyone even suggest a thing. I am almost breathless.
//
250 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:56:14pm |
Soon they will be coming for are guns. Because they hate, are freedoms.
//
251 | A Man for all Seasons Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:58:40pm |
Vegas:
Joey and I had answered an ad in the paper for henchmen for hire.
That was the beginning of my career as a Vegas Henchman. There is a lot of money to be made in Vegas. Our gang of henchmen didn't meet Charles till the late 90's. Started out as small time Watergate tricks, you know a steady stream of hookers to their hotel rooms.
rewriting all the RW talking points and faxing them out to party leaders....
252 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:00:01pm |
I come from two countries that are far from perfect. We have done many wrongs. From that, I have learned. Some people from other countries should try that instead of thinking that they are perfect in every way.
253 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:06:55pm |
re: #252 Gus
I come from two countries that are far from perfect. We have done many wrongs. From that, I have learned. Some people from other countries should try that instead of thinking that they are perfect in every way.
Yeah, well I'm from America, and we don't need to learn nothin' because we're damned near perfect!
254 | engineer cat Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:07:40pm |
re: #224 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
hamas
hamatis
hamiti
hamatem
hamatehamates
hamatum
hamatibus
hamates
hamatibus
hamamus hamates!
255 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:08:45pm |
@idfspokesperson Guess who will end up paying for the "financial institution" targets?— Gus (@Gus_802) November 20, 2012
Derp.
256 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:08:55pm |
re: #253 Targetpractice
If it hadn't been for Juan Peron, Argentina could've been a contender! Inside of a defaulting loser, which it be honest, it is.
/tip of the hat to Elia Kazan and Marlon Brando with that one.
257 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:11:35pm |
258 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:16:32pm |
@ryanjreilly @tpmlivewire Did the FBI help them in their efforts? Again?— Gus (@Gus_802) November 20, 2012
259 | Targetpractice Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:25:36pm |
260 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:27:46pm |
re: #259 Targetpractice
Ah, the FBI, when entrapment becomes "foilling terrorist plots."
I'm more left of you. Just watching now and seeing all the LGF right winger sleepers ding.
261 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:28:39pm |
LGF is strange in that it has some left wing elements yet retains some seriously right wing elements.
262 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:29:48pm |
re: #261 Gus
LGF is strange in that it has some left wing elements yet retains some seriously right wing elements.
[smiles and waves]
263 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:30:47pm |
re: #262 Dark_Falcon
[smiles and waves]
Some of them are actually to the right of you. Others, and a lot, are to the right of Bibi. In fact I would say that Bibi is probably more liberal then some of the remaining LGF right wingers.
264 | engineer cat Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:41:23pm |
Michael J Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg
If Bush was president, progressives would be screaming about his silence re Gaza. But it's King Obama, the Infallible One.
Rosenberg In Mortal Combat With Reality; Reality Wins
DAILY KOS
Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:42 AM PST
Israel commits Mass Murder and Obama Silent again
265 | engineer cat Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:44:45pm |
266 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:46:55pm |
I remember correcting The Nation about LGF being left of center. I was wrong. LGF is right of center.
267 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 11:00:34pm |
Tomorrow morning it starts all over again. Some snipping. Then the usual barrage of Middle East news centering around Arabs. Maybe some news about murders in Chicago. Code Pink or Daily Kos said something or another.
269 | engineer cat Mon, Nov 19, 2012 11:03:56pm |
re: #266 Gus
I remember correcting The Nation about LGF being left of center. I was wrong. LGF is right of center.
well, it depends on your center. it's certainly to the right of my center
but then again people don't necessarily have one center. or, there isn't just one center, or one spectrum
anyway, what makes you say that?
270 | Gus Mon, Nov 19, 2012 11:09:47pm |
re: #269 engineer cat
well, it depends on your center. it's certainly to the right of my center
but then again people don't necessarily have one center. or, there isn't just one center, or one spectrum
anyway, what makes you say that?
Just don't want to deal with it anymore.
272 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Nov 19, 2012 11:34:50pm |
So here's my contribution for the night to LGF musical culture: the Symphony #7, ("Variation Symphony") by Peter Mennin. This is my favorite American symphony and IMHO one of the great symphonies of the 20th century (I'm also partial to another #7, that of Sibelius).
This is the National Orchestra of the ORTF (French Office of Radio and Television) conducted by Jean Martinon.
273 | engineer cat Mon, Nov 19, 2012 11:35:24pm |
Plutonium Reportedly Removed From Post It Box, But Radioactive Glow Remains
many lizards still fear that fingers will drop off if they type comments
275 | boredtechindenver Mon, Nov 19, 2012 11:48:51pm |
Yeah, I knew I heard this song before.
edited to add: best listened via headphones turned up loud.
276 | Kragar Mon, Nov 19, 2012 11:54:42pm |
re: #275 boredtechindenver
Yeah, I knew I heard this song before.
[Embedded content]
I got one better for you:
Black Sabbath - Wizard
Blue Oyster Cult - Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll
278 | researchok Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:47:26am |
279 | researchok Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:51:14am |
280 | Kragar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:56:33am |
281 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 1:43:56am |
Who are these people in the bottom comment section? And did Marjoriemoon flounce?
Shesh, I take a couple days off.....
Morning Honcos.
282 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 1:57:50am |
Scientology critics allege church tried to influence Pinellas legal community in Lisa McPherson case
Scientology critics allege in recently filed court papers that the church hired local lawyers to schmooze Pinellas judges and gave gifts to a prominent attorney trying to gain influence during the legal saga that followed the 1995 death of Scientologist Lisa McPherson.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
I hate pretty much no one. Except Scientologist and well, that ends the list. And Lisa McPherson?
[Link: www.lisamcpherson.org...]
283 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 1:59:48am |
re: #261 Gus
LGF is strange in that it has some left wing elements yet retains some seriously right wing elements.
Left and right don't actually exist.
284 | freetoken Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:00:14am |
re: #281 King of the Douche, now you may bow
Nothing brings out the knives quite like a religious war.
285 | Targetpractice Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:01:12am |
re: #284 freetoken
Nothing brings out the knives quite like a religious war.
Hence why I've been giving LGF a wide berth the last coupla days.
286 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:02:48am |
re: #285 Targetpractice
Hence why I've been giving LGF a wide berth the last coupla days.
Has something happened over the last few days? I see an overtone of stuff.
287 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:04:24am |
re: #285 Targetpractice
Hence why I've been giving LGF a wide berth the last coupla days.
I kind of don't get why people are flipping out. As far as I've seen, there's been a few totally out of line comments-- like accusations of people supporting Hamas-- but in general it is a really fucked up situation where any commentary is naturally going to be thorny. Mostly, I've seen people acknowledge the frustrating intractability of the situation and scrape their knuckles raw against reality.
It's nowhere near as bad as it was when I first got to LGF.
I guess I don't know what the ideal that other people have is of LGF.
288 | Targetpractice Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:07:20am |
re: #287 Obdicut
I kind of don't get why people are flipping out. As far as I've seen, there's been a few totally out of line comments-- like people supporting Hamas-- but in general it is a really fucked up situation where any commentary is naturally going to be thorny. Mostly, I've seen people acknowledge the frustrating intractability of the situation and scrape their knuckles raw against reality.
It's nowhere near as bad as it was when I first got to LGF.
I guess I don't know what the ideal that other people have is of LGF.
Old habits die hard 'round here. Lot of folks still don't take kindly to the suggestion that Israel's actions are less than honorable.
289 | Kragar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:12:09am |
And now to bed, but as I depart...
290 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:13:02am |
re: #288 Targetpractice
Old habits die hard 'round here. Lot of folks still don't take kindly to the suggestion that Israel's actions are less than honorable.
I'm not quite getting you. Did Israel do something wrong?
291 | Targetpractice Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:15:46am |
re: #290 King of the Douche, now you may bow
I'm not quite getting you. Did Israel do something wrong?
Seems to be some argument over the righteous of Israel's actions versus Hamas'. I've only caught bits and pieces, but the relative merits of both sides seems to be the point of contention.
292 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:16:50am |
re: #288 Targetpractice
Old habits die hard 'round here. Lot of folks still don't take kindly to the suggestion that Israel's actions are less than honorable.
I think it may be a function of how imbalanced criticism against Israel is in some of the mainstream press; it's a complication of the intricateness of the situation that Israel is in. To me, I see the 'correct' thing repeated often, by people of every political stripe, including those that I otherwise disagree with vehemently quite often: There are no good moves. Every path leads to a bad choice. Israel can let its citizens die from rocket attacks, or it can attack-- as precisely as possible-- Hamas, knowing that Palestinian citizens will die. And that may radicalize a new generation of Palestinians-- but sitting and just taking rockets might radicalize a new generation of Israelis.
Meanwhile, the Arab nations, an Iran, have this beautiful gift of an external bit of politics they can use to pacify their own populations. Israel as boogeyman, Jew as blame-carrier. And so with both conscious and unconscious means, those nations push the conflict along, supplying Palestinians with arms, with propaganda, and not supplying them with citizenship, with a future, with a place to live. And not supplying their own citizenry with civic or religious liberty.
I'm very concerned by Israel's swing towards the right in terms of government, and I'm very disturbed by the fact that some people take the fact that there is no immediate solution and turn it into 'Therefore, any decisive solution is great, like bombing the shit out of Gaza or destroying the Dome of the Rock or all out-war between the West and the Islamic nations'.
It's all messy and ugly and nasty, and I think the biggest problem in discussing it is that people want to reduce it to something simple, they want to find the thread to pull that will unravel it, they want to find the ethically pure choice. There isn't one. It's sad and causes despair and despair causes deeply strange actions and statements.
But there is hope. It's not immediate, but hope often isn't. It's on the horizon. The Troubles were solved, and that actually was a situation with far more historical bad blood than Israel vs. the Muslim/Arab world.
293 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:17:59am |
re: #291 Targetpractice
Nobody at all has argued that Hamas has any righteousness in its actions. At most, people have said that the reprisal by Israel is part of a vicious cycle and serves no particular purpose. But nobody has insinuated righteousness belongs to Hamas.
294 | Targetpractice Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:20:07am |
re: #293 Obdicut
Nobody at all has argued that Hamas has any righteousness in its actions. At most, people have said that the reprisal by Israel is part of a vicious cycle and serves no particular purpose. But nobody has insinuated righteousness belongs to Hamas.
Hence why I said I've only been getting bits and pieces. Honestly, I have to agree, it seems that at this point in the whole situation, there is no winning move. Only increasingly bad ones.
295 | Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:25:34am |
re: #172 Dark_Falcon
No, the United States of America will not be exercising bold leadership on the international states in the near term nor likely in the mid-term. We're tired, frustrated, and broke.
Boldness requires clarity of vision and unity of purpose. We are not going to get that out of the current clusterf*ck that is the American political constellation of today
296 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:26:41am |
Glen Rogers, Death Row Inmate, Killed Nicole Simpson, Says 'My Brother The Serial Killer' TV Doc
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
297 | freetoken Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:27:41am |
re: #285 Targetpractice
Hence why I've been giving LGF a wide berth the last coupla days.
Roger that.
298 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:32:24am |
Terror Arrests: 4 California Men Arrested, Charged With Plotting To Wage 'Violent Jihad'
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
299 | Targetpractice Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:34:53am |
re: #296 King of the Douche, now you may bow
Glen Rogers, Death Row Inmate, Killed Nicole Simpson, Says 'My Brother The Serial Killer' TV Doc
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Seriously? The "real killer" may have been found after all these years?
300 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:58:17am |
re: #299 Targetpractice
Seriously? The "real killer" may have been found after all these years?
The irony being if it is true, OJ could be retried. The allegation is he hired the dude to steal the earrings, which would mean he was on the hook for the felony murder that occurred during the crime he'd commissioned.
301 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:05:50am |
I'm getting some negative attention from other "pro-Israel" bloggers, who think I have gone over to the "Dark Side" because I'm not all "hurr hurr let's bomb the shit out of Gaza."
Of course I already got their attention by supporting Obama during the election.
303 | Varek Raith Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:09:21am |
re: #302 Stanghazi
Good morning from the Atlanta airport!
If you see Wolf Blitzer, throw an egg at him.
/
304 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:09:38am |
Awww crap, "pro-Gaza" are now posting pictures of dead Israelis from suicide bombings 10 years ago and claiming they are Palestinians.
@jewdocrat twitter.com/TheRealBeadle/...— AntiIsrael Douchebag (@NotAntiSemitic) November 20, 2012
305 | Stanghazi Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:11:07am |
re: #303 Varek Raith
If you see Wolf Blitzer, throw an egg at him.
/
Doubtful, I'm with the regular travelling schmucks
306 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:16:22am |
Rocket alert sounds in #Jerusalem bit.ly/T0Wvng #Gaza #Israelunderfire— Haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) November 20, 2012
307 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:36:01am |
Casualties are being reported in Beersheba where 11 rockets appeared to have hit.
I'm in Beersheba where 11 Hamas rockets have just come in. There are casualties.— Wolf Blitzer (@wolfblitzer) November 20, 2012
Sirens went off all throughout Jerusalem and outlying areas. I've got relatives in Ma'ale Adummim, which is on the far side of Jerusalem from Gaza, but that doesn't make me feel any better.
308 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:39:30am |
re: #307 lawhawk
Casualties are being reported in Bethlehem where 11 rockets appeared to have hit.
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Sirens went off all throughout Jerusalem and outlying areas. I've got relatives in Ma'ale Adummim, which is on the far side of Jerusalem from Gaza, but that doesn't make me feel any better.
My daughter lives in Jerusalem, 2 blocks from the Old City.
309 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:40:11am |
re: #300 Obdicut
Absolutely. He could be tried for conspiracy, felony murder, and lesser included charges.
And depending on what OJ said at the time and thereafter, he might also be up for perjury and obstruction of justice (that would require reading through the transcripts and interviews etc.)
311 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:42:45am |
News and opinion from the Alternate World, in this case, the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal's resident wingnut, Dr. Donald May:
Is Obama Supporting the Terrorists of Gaza?
Why does it appear that President Barack Obama is supporting the Islamic Terrorists of Gaza instead of supporting Israel? For the same reason it has seemed for many years that Obama supports Iran’s nuclear weapons program rather than the right of Israel to defend itself against Iranian nuclear weapons.
Aren't you glad we live in this universe, where we don't have a villainous Muslim Brotherhood agent as President? Yeah, me too.
312 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:44:59am |
re: #304 Vicious Babushka
Awww crap, "pro-Gaza" are now posting pictures of dead Israelis from suicide bombings 10 years ago and claiming they are Palestinians.
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How goddamn contemptible. My only hope is that the push-back gets more attention than the originals.
313 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:50:26am |
re: #312 Obdicut
How goddamn contemptible. My only hope is that the push-back gets more attention than the originals.
If they have so many casualties of their own, who should not be ignored, what's the point in hijacking photos of dead Jews, Syrians, and victims of other conflicts?
314 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:51:38am |
120 trucks of goods were ready to enter #Gaza from #Israel today. #Hamas fired rockets at the crossing. Only 24 entered. Crossing is closed.— IDF (@IDFSpokesperson) November 20, 2012
315 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:04:01am |
With the latest #Hamas missile fired on #Jerusalem, I recall the wise words of this great man! #Israel #IsraelUnderFire twitter.com/Ostrov_A/statu...— Arsen Ostrovsky (@Ostrov_A) November 20, 2012
316 | Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:07:16am |
I just paid off my wife's car 2 weeks ago. So yesterday she rams into someone in stop and go traffic and gets herself an inattentive driving ticket to boot.
ARRRGGHHH!!
317 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:14:32am |
re: #316 Amory Blaine
Hope she's okay though. That sucks about the car...
318 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:27:31am |
re: #313 Vicious Babushka
If they have so many casualties of their own, who should not be ignored, what's the point in hijacking photos of dead Jews, Syrians, and victims of other conflicts?
Probably because the cowards aren't anywhere near the scenes of the attacks. or they get a perverse pleasure out of claiming that the victims of Islamic attacks are the victims of Israeli ones. A lot of guilty people do that-- accuse others of the crimes they've committed.
319 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:30:44am |
re: #314 Vicious Babushka
It's stuff like that that makes Hamas's mission clear. They want to force a crisis. They lose if Gaza prospers. They win if it's hungry, angry, and desperate.
321 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:33:50am |
322 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:35:30am |
re: #318 Obdicut
Probably because the cowards aren't anywhere near the scenes of the attacks. or they get a perverse pleasure out of claiming that the victims of Islamic attacks are the victims of Israeli ones. A lot of guilty people do that-- accuse others of the crimes they've committed.
Also, a lot of these pictures are being retweeted over and over without checking the provenance. I do have to wonder about the mentality of the person who first introduced the pictures into the Twitter stream.
323 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:36:29am |
re: #319 Obdicut
It's stuff like that that makes Hamas's mission clear. They want to force a crisis. They lose if Gaza prospers. They win if it's hungry, angry, and desperate.
It just proves what I said before, that they are a criminal organization who want complete control of all commerce through their smuggling operations.
324 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:39:39am |
re: #323 Vicious Babushka
It just proves what I said before, that they are a criminal organization who want complete control of all commerce through their smuggling operations.
They're a mix of everything bad. You've got the power-hungry, the religious fanatics, the ultra-nationalists, the completely propagandized, the criminal, and the just plain psychos. It selects for the worst.
325 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:41:47am |
re: #322 Vicious Babushka
Though there's some confusion on that photo-- someone is claiming that the Arabic actually says that this is recent Israeli dead, so it's recycling an old photo to claim 'success' in killing Jews. Since I can't read Arabic, I dunno. Either way, it's an old photo recycling for shitty purposes.
326 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:42:37am |
re: #322 Vicious Babushka
For some, it could be laziness in not bothering to check what they're sending. A dead body is a dead body they may reason; it's the emotional impact of the carnage that is significant to them, not that it's accurate (aka fake but accurate). For others, coopting the imagery is akin to the coopting of the language (genocide, holocaust, etc., which were central to the establishment of Israel). All of it is propaganda.
And the fact remains that despite the so called grim milestones and intensified casualties in the Gaza operation, the number of Palestinian dead pales in comparison to what Syria's Assad does in one day. Yet world attention is focused like a laser on what Israel does, the diplomats are busy trying to force a ceasefire, and Assad's laughing all the way to Tehran knowing that Hamas is his (and Iran's useful idiots) in diverting attention from where more than 30,000 have already been killed in a civil war that threatens to truly destabilize the region.
Turkey's called on NATO for missile defense systems to protect against Syrian fire (memo to Turkey, but the system you're looking for is Israel's Iron Dome, not the Patriot system). Lebanon is continuing to be threatened by Syrian provocateurs. Likewise, so too is Jordan.
Egypt and Saudi Arabia are looking at Gaza through the prism of trying to limit Iranian/Syrian influence - not merely as an Arab-Israeli conflict so their efforts to host ceasefire talks/diplomatic action has to be taken with that in mind as well.
328 | Varek Raith Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:02:43am |
329 | Varek Raith Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:07:14am |
330 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:08:46am |
re: #304 Vicious Babushka
RE: THIS PIC twitter.com/TheRealBeadle/... Arabic does NOT claim it was Gaza. It claims it is Israelis killed recently (though u/l time is unknown)— AntiIsrael Douchebag (@NotAntiSemitic) November 20, 2012
331 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:10:23am |
re: #330 Obdicut
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So what was the purpose of uploading this photo? War porn? Gloating?
332 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:15:45am |
re: #331 Vicious Babushka
So what was the purpose of uploading this photo? War porn? Gloating?
I don't know, since I don't read Arabic. This is second-hand information, but it wasn't uploaded with the claim in Arabic that it's recent Gazan dead.
Twitter has now completely lost its charm for me, at least as a source of news. There are moments when it is great, but after the false information being spread during Hurricane Sandy, and photos being mis-attributed and re-mis-attributed, I feel like you have to be very, very selective in who you actually believe.
This is actually something I was talking about with my friend Mike Rusch, otherwise known as 'weeddude'. He's a scrupulous journalistic professional, and he thinks that being a responsible, reliable dude on Twitter is going to be the new version of being a breaking-news journalist, basically.
333 | Lidane Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:18:25am |
Because the first thing you do when you're wanted for murder is start a blog:
Murder Suspect McAfee Blogs While on the Run From Police
Fugitives generally try to keep a low profile while running from the police, but murder suspect and tech entrepreneur John McAfee has done the opposite: He started a blog.
McAfee, founder of the eponymous anti-virus software company McAfee, launched “The Hinterland,” a blog detailing his experience hiding from authorities in Belize, on Saturday. He is the prime suspect in the murder of an American expat named Gregory Faull who was shot in his San Pedro Town home two weeks ago, Gizmodo reported.
Entitled “Introduction,” the first entry of McAfee’s “official blog” begins as follows:
“With lots of time on my hands and very little to do with it, I’ve been reflecting on the recent detour my life has taken. How did I end up as a murder suspect on the lam? The world press certainly has not helped. Autonomous and self-serving, the press does what it does best — sensationalize. And my character and the recent events of my life have been sensationalized to the max.”
McAfee then goes on to criticize Gizmodo writer Jeff Wise, who penned the article that discloses the former’s alleged involvement in Faull’s murder.
“I need to tell my story,” McAfee concludes, adding that he has limited and intermittent access to a computer and the Internet.
Since then, McAfee has posted a dozen entries. One post called “If I am captured” reveals that he has pre-written enough material to keep the blog going for “at least a year.” While McAfee focuses mainly on his legal troubles, he also writes about more mundane topics, such as Belizean culture.
A man claiming to be McAfee confirmed in an email to ABC News that “The Hinterland” is authentic.
334 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:18:30am |
re: #332 Obdicut
Most people don't have the time to figure out who is the go-to person for a breaking news story, which is why so much crap will be spread during a breaking story (aside from the fact that many first impression/eyewitness reports turn out to be inaccurate anyways).
If you've been a reliable and responsible blogger in the past, you're likely to continue to be so as a twitterer (or whatever new form of instant news arises).
335 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:20:38am |
re: #334 lawhawk
I just find it hilarious that the guy with the most journalistic ethics that I've ever seen has the twitter handle "weeddude". He's a really nice guy in person, too. Let my cousin interview him for her journalism class.
336 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:21:04am |
Anyway, I've got to shower and shave and make it across the park to pick up my turkey from Whole Foods.
337 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:21:14am |
re: #335 Obdicut
I just find it hilarious that the guy with the most journalistic ethics that I've ever seen has the twitter handle "weeddude". He's a really nice guy in person, too. Let my cousin interview him for her journalism class.
Weedude. Heh. Following.
338 | Four More Tears Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:40:18am |
re: #335 Obdicut
I just find it hilarious that the guy with the most journalistic ethics that I've ever seen has the twitter handle "weeddude". He's a really nice guy in person, too. Let my cousin interview him for her journalism class.
I've been following Weeddude since Benghazi. That guy is really on top of things.
339 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:42:24am |
Judd Philips, the founder of Tea Party Nation, has some hilarious batshittery at Whirled Nut Drooly explaining how Romney can STILL win the Presidency:
According to the 12th Amendment, for the Electoral College to be able to select the president, it must have a quorum of two-thirds of the states voting. If enough states refuse to participate, the Electoral College will not have a quorum. If the Electoral College does not have a quorum or otherwise cannot vote or decide, then the responsibility for selecting the president and vice president devolves to the Congress.
The House of Representatives selects the president and the Senate selects the vice president.
Mitt Romney carried 24 states. We need to have conservative activists from all over the nation contact the electors, the Republican Party and the secretary of state in all of these states and tell them not to participate in the Electoral College when it meets on Dec. 17.
If we can get 17 of those states (just over one-third) to refuse to participate, the Electoral College will have no quorum. Then, as the Constitution directs, the election goes to the House of Representatives.
That is how we can still pull this election out and make Mitt Romney president in January.
We need this concept shared with every tea party, liberty and patriotic group throughout the country. We have time to act, but we must pressure Republicans to do the right thing.
340 | Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:51:48am |
re: #300 Obdicut
The irony being if it is true, OJ could be retried. The allegation is he hired the dude to steal the earrings, which would mean he was on the hook for the felony murder that occurred during the crime he'd commissioned.
But unless the guy has a signed receipt in OJ's handwriting what are the odds any sort of prosecution is going to get anywhere based pretty much solely on the word of a convicted serial killer?
341 | Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:54:23am |
re: #313 Vicious Babushka
If they have so many casualties of their own, who should not be ignored, what's the point in hijacking photos of dead Jews, Syrians, and victims of other conflicts?
Obvious false-flag operation in order to portray *all* photos as being a Pally wood production.
/// (massive)
My personal opinion is that it's laziness combined with stupidity in grabbing the first image one gets. Who cares about accuracy as long as your posts, tweets, and possibly site gets attention?
343 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:59:33am |
re: #341 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears
Obvious false-flag operation in order to portray *all* photos as being a Pally wood production.
/// (massive)My personal opinion is that it's laziness combined with stupidity in grabbing the first image one gets. Who cares about accuracy as long as your posts, tweets, and possibly site gets attention?
Reuters news story: Gaza Children Under Fire
The accompanying photo gallery to this story shows both Israeli and Palestinian children.
Therefore: someone who wants to Tweet this story has about a 50% chance of grabbing the wrong photo to illustrate the Tweet.
344 | Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:02:09am |
re: #343 Vicious Babushka
Reuters news story: Gaza Children Under Fire
The accompanying photo gallery to this story shows both Israeli and Palestinian children.
So, poor journalism.
345 | Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:08:55am |
re: #339 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
They yell and scream about the on-coming Obama dictatorship, and then suggest doing something like this?
346 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:16:13am |
Men dragging body behind motorcycle in #Gaza City. They were yelling he was a spy for Israel. instagr.am/p/SQXOBvEkLg/— Anderson Cooper (@andersoncooper) November 20, 2012
347 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:16:34am |
re: #340 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears
Well, there's the possibility that someone taped the conversation (for blackmail purposes in case payment wasn't made)....
348 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:29:19am |
re: #346 Vicious Babushka
{sigh}
And in other news
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Near the Israel-Gaza border (CNN) -- Egypt said Tuesday that Israel plans to halt its military action in Gaza within hours.
"The travesty of the Israel aggression on Gaza will end in a few hours," Egyptian President Mohammed Morsy said.
Dear Egypt , what about the "travesty' of the daily rocket barrage from Gaza prior to this latest military action???
349 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:30:52am |
Militants in Gaza kill six alleged Palestinian collaborators with Israel - trust.org/alertnet/news/...— Hussein Ibish (@Ibishblog) November 20, 2012
350 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:32:58am |
re: #348 sattv4u2
More here, from the NYT
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
While Trying to Mediate, Egypt Blames Israel for Gaza Conflict
351 | watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:34:06am |
re: #339 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
Judd Philips, the founder of Tea Party Nation, has some hilarious batshittery at Whirled Nut Drooly explaining how Romney can STILL win the Presidency:
Wrong, wrong, wrong...
Somebody has misread and/or misunderstood the Twelfth Amendment. It only takes a simple majority of the Electoral votes to certify the Presidential election, there is no "quorum" requirement.
which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed;
The quorum this pea brain is talking about applies to the House of Representatives if they have to vote for the President because no majority exists among the Electoral vote.
But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
Fine red states, don't send in your electoral votes, the blue states will and Obama will still have a majority of the Elector's votes. God you wingnuts are dumb... :(
352 | Randall Gross Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:36:20am |
Something for KT, a Bollywood blast from the past
353 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:44:10am |
Senior #Israeli officials: Cease-fire with #Hamas to go into effect within hours htz.li/SNvwv3— Haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) November 20, 2012
354 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:55:27am |
355 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:06:16am |
356 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:10:43am |
re: #354 sattv4u2
Praying it happens
I think the Israelis really want to avoid a ground incursion if they can avoid it. They've been low on air targets to past 2 days or so, if they thought a ground incursion would accomplish anything they would have done it by now.
357 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:11:27am |
re: #355 Killgore Trout
Nice!
knew you'd like that, Tony Moreno Patel
Image: MV5BMTU0NDk4MzA0NV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTYwODIyMQ@@._V1._SY317_CR11,0,214,317_.jpg
/
358 | Varek Raith Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:14:20am |
re: #357 sattv4u2
Referral Denied
You don't have permission to access "[Link: ia.media-imdb.com...] on this server.
Reference #24.96e64217.1353428048.7da4b48
359 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:15:24am |
re: #358 Varek Raith
Referral Denied
You don't have permission to access "[Link: ia.media-imdb.com...] on this server.Reference #24.96e64217.1353428048.7da4b48
Works here
Maybe if you actually paid for service instead of stealing it !!
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360 | Joanne Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:21:41am |
That is one of the coolest videos I have ever seen.
(just doing a drive by...back to work for me)
361 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:23:03am |
re: #360 Joanne
That is one of the coolest videos I have ever seen.
(just doing a drive by...back to work for me)
You really need to get out more!!
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362 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:25:54am |
BREAKING: Gaza truce will be declared at 2 p.m. EST and go into effect at 5 p.m. EST: Hamas official... developing...
363 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:28:56am |
364 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:29:37am |
re: #362 sattv4u2
BREAKING: Gaza truce will be declared at 2 p.m. EST and go into effect at 5 p.m. EST: Hamas official... developing...
Hamas is running out of rockets. Need time to replenish supplies.
365 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:30:21am |
re: #364 Killgore Trout
Hamas is running out of rockets AND COMMANDERS HIDING IN SCHOOLYARDS. Need time to replenish supplies.
ftfy
366 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:34:25am |
re: #365 sattv4u2
ftfy
And now we get to watch the sick joke that is a Palestinian "cease fire". It's so frustrating to watch these patterns repeat over and over again.
367 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:35:10am |
Have an extra $200,000 laying around?
You can own a home AND become a citizen of Spain in one fell swoop!!
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
Spain: Residency for foreigners who buy houses
I actually kinda like the idea!!!
368 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:36:18am |
re: #366 Killgore Trout
And now we get to watch the sick joke that is a Palestinian "cease fire". It's so frustrating to watch these patterns repeat over and over again.
Oh, I know
"We are abiding by the cease fire. The rockets we shoot into Israel have been decreased to the pre-crises numbers"
369 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:36:19am |
I have a travesty of a quote right here.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
370 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:37:07am |
re: #369 Daniel Ballard
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Dear Egypt , what about the "travesty' of the daily rocket barrage from Gaza prior to this latest military action???
371 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:38:15am |
I'm hungry
Bagel or breakfast burrito,, hmmm,,,
372 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:38:44am |
BWAHAHAA PWN3D
Even with explosions going on around him in Gaza City Anderson Cooper still has time to make a burn. twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew...— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 20, 2012
374 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:40:27am |
re: #367 sattv4u2
Have an extra $200,000 laying around?
You can own a home AND become a citizen of Spain in one fell swoop!!
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]Spain: Residency for foreigners who buy houses
I actually kinda like the idea!!!
Some nice properties
[Link: www.viviun.com...]
375 | Varek Raith Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:41:19am |
re: #372 Vicious Babushka
Guess she ignored the first sentence in his tweet...
377 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:42:24am |
378 | DisturbedEma Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:42:24am |
Morning all, Hope everyone is doing well. Any long time Lizards here? On my twitter, I'm getting pictures that claim to show the use of Syrian child victims of attacks being cited as from Gaza blaming Israel. Didn't LGF follow something like this in the past? I thought I saw a reference in one of the most recent threads, but wanted to check here to see if anyone knew, from a credible source, if this was in fact happening now. . .
379 | DisturbedEma Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:43:05am |
re: #373 Vicious Babushka
Indeed- ick makes my tongue itch just thinking about it
380 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:44:22am |
re: #378 DisturbedEma
Morning all, Hope everyone is doing well. Any long time Lizards here? On my twitter, I'm getting pictures that claim to show the use of Syrian child victims of attacks being cited as from Gaza blaming Israel. Didn't LGF follow something like this in the past? I thought I saw a reference in one of the most recent threads, but wanted to check here to see if anyone knew, from a credible source, if this was in fact happening now. . .
A),, longtime Lizard here (two weeks shy of 6 years)
B),,I don't 'do" Twitter
C) I can't recall what I had for dinner last night, let alone something that was followed here in the past!!
Sorry
381 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:44:44am |
re: #369 Daniel Ballard
I have a travesty of a quote right here.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Sadly, I think Israel ends up with the short end of the stick and Hamas is the big winner. It's only going to encourage them to do this again as soon as they can. Israel needs some new trick and tactics. The threat of ground invasion was hollow, air power can only do so much.
382 | DisturbedEma Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:46:51am |
Another question about credible sources. A loong time ago, I used to go to Honest Reporting for confirmation or stories of something called media bias (to be honest not even sure that term means anything anymore) against Israel, but have not been there in ages. Given the ideological changes that have occured in recent years in so many outlets, I ask is that still a credible source? The reasons I's asking are personal, in that I have to be on campus a lot in the next few weeks, and quite honestly I am so completely shredded mentally, I'm not sure where to look to get answers anymore.
383 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:46:59am |
re: #377 sattv4u2
Tempting, actually
I want this more than words can say
Castle Transformed Into A Distinguished Seigneurial House
Asking Price: 620,000 €
384 | Randall Gross Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:47:40am |
re: #378 DisturbedEma
See this thread here, was quickly retracted so no real story, read comments.
Also, since you can still see Buck's post in the sidebar, it is being covered here.
385 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:48:05am |
re: #372 Vicious Babushka
And even her complaint ignores the fact that Cooper was talking about Hamas firing rockets from the vicinity of the journalism building in Gaza - the one that IDF has targeted on 3 occasions already.
It seems that Cooper and other journalists know, or should know, that they and their fellow journalists are being used as human shields around that building - and they really need to look sharp and stay safe because Hamas couldn't care who gets killed in their war against Israel. Cooper's comment indicates that he gets it. He understands that Hamas is attacking Israel from in and around where the journalists have holed up.
386 | DisturbedEma Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:48:26am |
re: #380 sattv4u2
Aww, well, thanks anyway and maybe toast you had? :)
I think I'm remembering pictures of missle attacks where some Lizards could actually tell that pixels were tweeked. . .it was some high tech stuff, so of course, over my head:)
387 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:49:00am |
re: #383 Killgore Trout
I want this more than words can say
Castle Transformed Into A Distinguished Seigneurial HouseAsking Price: 620,000 €
More pics here
[Link: castelldevicfred.wordpress.com...]
388 | DisturbedEma Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:49:38am |
re: #384 Randall Gross
Ah, missed both of these, thank you very much
389 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:50:04am |
re: #383 Killgore Trout
I want this more than words can say
Castle Transformed Into A Distinguished Seigneurial HouseAsking Price: 620,000 €
Lets pool our resources and go for it. It comes furnished
I have 1st dibs to the maids quarters, though!!
390 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:50:29am |
re: #378 DisturbedEma
Photos are indeed being spread around Twitter that claim to be showing Palestinian casualties and are instead casualties from other conflicts (such as Syria), including Israelis killed in prior terror attacks or being treated by MDA in Israel during the current fighting. You have to take what you see on Twitter with a grain of salt and not everything is what it appears.
In other words - SS/DD. Twitter just makes those propaganda bits come around even faster and more insidious to respond to/with.
391 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:51:07am |
re: #389 sattv4u2
Lets pool our resources and go for it. It comes furnished
I have 1st dibs to the maids quarters, though!!
I'll take the wine cellar!
392 | Eventual Carrion Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:52:34am |
re: #383 Killgore Trout
I want this more than words can say
Castle Transformed Into A Distinguished Seigneurial HouseAsking Price: 620,000 €
Yeah, check out the music room. You could party in there like it's 1499.
394 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:55:39am |
re: #378 DisturbedEma
Morning all, Hope everyone is doing well. Any long time Lizards here? On my twitter, I'm getting pictures that claim to show the use of Syrian child victims of attacks being cited as from Gaza blaming Israel. Didn't LGF follow something like this in the past? I thought I saw a reference in one of the most recent threads, but wanted to check here to see if anyone knew, from a credible source, if this was in fact happening now. . .
Daylife was bought out and put behind a paywall, so there's no easy way to check the media photo streams like we used to do.
Stuff gets Tweeted and re-Tweeted without verifying the provenance.
395 | DisturbedEma Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:57:16am |
re: #394 Vicious Babushka
That sounds familiar, so I think that was the reference I read recently. Thank you very much for the help.
396 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:58:41am |
397 | makeitstop Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:09:05am |
Umm....srsly??
398 | Lidane Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:09:37am |
YES! I may have just landed my first client. I'm a happy camper today. :D
399 | Lidane Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:10:07am |
re: #397 makeitstop
Umm....srsly??
Is this anything like Paul Ryan and his supposed love for Rage Against the Machine?
400 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:11:30am |
re: #398 Lidane
YES! I may have just landed my first client. I'm a happy camper today. :D
hope it's a big fish!!
401 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:13:04am |
gaza air strike 20.11.12
Looks like another case when the IDF calls the neighbors to give them a heads up
402 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:16:35am |
re: #401 Killgore Trout
gaza air strike 20.11.12
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Looks like another case when the IDF calls the neighbors to give them a heads up
"Hey,.,,, y'know that Hamas commander that just moved in next door? I don't think we'll be needing to get him a housewarming gift"
403 | Lidane Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:16:56am |
re: #400 sattv4u2
hope it's a big fish!!
I hope so too. They want some documents translated into Traditional Chinese. We're playing phone tag at the moment but I'm hopeful. :D
404 | Schadenfreude 'r' Us Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:17:23am |
re: #383 Killgore Trout
I want this more than words can say
Castle Transformed Into A Distinguished Seigneurial HouseAsking Price: 620,000 €
Tempting... but think how much it would cost to heat a castle.
405 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:20:04am |
re: #404 Schadenfreude 'r' Us
Tempting... but think how much it would cost to heat a castle.
Just make the peasants chop more wood!!
406 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:20:37am |
re: #404 Schadenfreude 'r' Us
Tempting... but think how much it would cost to heat a castle.
It's Spain. Warm, dry Mediterranean climate.
407 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:21:51am |
re: #405 sattv4u2
Just make the peasants chop more wood!!
We''l need a catapult in that tower to show the peasants who's boss.
408 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:23:27am |
re: #407 Killgore Trout
We''l need a catapult in that tower to show the peasants who's boss.
I have the cauldrons and the fire going
You supply the oil!!
409 | makeitstop Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:29:37am |
re: #399 Lidane
Is this anything like Paul Ryan and his supposed love for Rage Against the Machine?
I guess so. Ir cracks me up that he says 'Straight Outta Compton' is one of his favorite songs. He would have been drummed out of his party for that 20 years ago.
411 | Eventual Carrion Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:36:22am |
re: #409 makeitstop
I guess so. Ir cracks me up that he says 'Straight Outta Compton' is one of his favorite songs. He would have been drummed out of his party for that 20 years ago.
Could see Rubio walking the streets of Compton before I could believe Ryan would.
412 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:39:10am |
re: #410 DisturbedEma
Thank you very much
Though note that he's just one dude, so he needs to sleep. He's asleep right now.
413 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:39:21am |
California terror suspect allegedly said plan to kill 'excites me'
Santana and Kabir allegedly posted terrorist audio and video files on Facebook pages and communicated via Skype when Kabir was overseas, federal authorities said in the complaint.
Over the course of the past several months, Deleon, Santana and Gojali made numerous plans to join Kabir, according to the 77-page complaint, which lays out a portrait of young men dedicated to their beliefs -- and willing to kill for them.
Deleon said he had thought about killing and "wouldn't have a problem if it's, it's for Allah."
"The more I think about it, the more it excites me," Santana said.
414 | makeitstop Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:43:09am |
re: #411 Eventual Carrion
Could see Rubio walking the streets of Compton before I could believe Ryan would.
True. I'm a little disappointed he didn't say 'Fuck Tha Police' was one of his faves, though.
/
415 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:44:58am |
re: #414 makeitstop
True. I'm a little disappointed he didn't say 'Fuck Tha Police' was one of his faves, though.
/
I think the lyrics of Straight out of Compton are kinda 'worse' than those of Fuck that Police. I'd love to get Rubio to recite some.
416 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:45:39am |
re: #414 makeitstop
True. I'm a little disappointed he didn't say 'Fuck Tha Police' was one of his faves, though.
/
Heh. Just wait, one of them will desperately claim that their favorite song is "Holiday In Cambodia"
417 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:45:45am |
re: #304 Vicious Babushka
Awww crap, "pro-Gaza" are now posting pictures of dead Israelis from suicide bombings 10 years ago and claiming they are Palestinians.
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That's horrid, and it outlines just how low some people will stoop.
418 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:48:46am |
re: #394 Vicious Babushka
Daylife was bought out and put behind a paywall, so there's no easy way to check the media photo streams like we used to do.
Stuff gets Tweeted and re-Tweeted without verifying the provenance.
One of us could sign up for their pay service. How much does it cost?
419 | makeitstop Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:55:24am |
re: #416 William Barnett-Lewis
Heh. Just wait, one of them will desperately claim that their favorite song is "Holiday In Cambodia"
Didn't Jello run for mayor of SF at one point?
I saw him with Adrian Belew and the School Of Rock All-Stars a few years back. Still a masterful performer.
As I type this, 'Holiday In Cambodia' comes on the radio! What are the odds?
420 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:57:27am |
re: #418 Dark_Falcon
One of us could sign up for their pay service. How much does it cost?
"If you have to ask, you can't afford it."
421 | DisturbedEma Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:00:55am |
re: #412 Obdicut
noted I'd want to be respectful so thanks again
422 | DisturbedEma Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:02:59am |
re: #304 Alouette
Memories remain- I 'm heartsick for the families
423 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:04:42am |
re: #419 makeitstop
What station? I'm amused that there is even one that would play it.
424 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:06:24am |
re: #422 DisturbedEma
Memories remain- I 'm heartsick for the families
Memories remain, but those photos will be misused for years to come. Once an internet meme like that gets started its almost impossible to club down.
425 | DisturbedEma Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:07:48am |
re: #424 Dark_Falcon
Sick sick sick to know that you're right. . .
426 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:08:22am |
Destro is being very active on his Pages today. This one is is his post of a truly awful CNN article. Please take a look and then let him know how wrong the article is.
427 | makeitstop Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:15:30am |
re: #423 William Barnett-Lewis
What station? I'm amused that there is even one that would play it.
Some internet station. We've got one of those Logitec Squeezebox Radios. My wife put some alternative station on. Not sure which one.
428 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:16:05am |
re: #426 Dark_Falcon
Meh. Dealing with him is like dealing with Buck. Both are on my "please don't feed the troll" list.
429 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:16:44am |
re: #428 William Barnett-Lewis
Meh. Dealing with him is like dealing with Buck. Both are on my "please don't feed the troll" list.
Heh. They do share a remarkably similarity.
430 | wrenchwench Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:17:22am |
re: #428 William Barnett-Lewis
Meh. Dealing with him is like dealing with Buck. Both are on my "please don't feed the troll" list.
Sometimes they feed each other....I stand back and watch, or change the channel.
431 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:17:37am |
re: #427 makeitstop
Some internet station. We've got one of those Logitec Squeezebox Radios. My wife put some alternative station on. Not sure which one.
Ah, that makes much more sense. Though the Public Radio station out on the Rez probably would too :) My wife has turned into one of the premier punk dj's out there :LOL:
432 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:22:06am |
My daughter sent me a MOV video of a "Code Red" taken from her husband's office window, but the video is upside down! How do I rotate it?
433 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:22:30am |
re: #429 Obdicut
Heh. They do share a remarkably similarity.
Thanks for the comments, though. Your sanity is appreciated.
434 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:23:01am |
re: #432 Vicious Babushka
My daughter sent me a MOV video of a "Code Red" taken from her husband's office window, but the video is upside down! How do I rotate it?
Stand on your head!
436 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:24:55am |
re: #432 Vicious Babushka
Windows Movie Maker can do it. It's a free download.
[Link: windows.microsoft.com...]
437 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:25:45am |
I just had a red velvet, vanilla frosted cupcake,,, for lunch
Cuase that's how I roll!!!
439 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:29:24am |
440 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:29:41am |
re: #438 jaunte
Buenos dias, henchachos.
Hello. Anything interesting going on in your neck of the woods?
441 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:31:37am |
re: #440 Dark_Falcon
Hello. Anything interesting going on in your neck of the woods?
Why,, planning on moving/ going there if there is??
442 | jaunte Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:31:50am |
re: #440 Dark_Falcon
Today its nice and sunny, 75 degrees, a rare pleasant day in Houston, and I'm stuck inside trying to keep the business running.
443 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:32:00am |
re: #81 Vicious Babushka
We are all honcos.
I haven't been around long enough to know, so could someone explain "honco" to me? I would be much obliged and might even reciprocate with an upding.
444 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:32:57am |
re: #443 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
I haven't been around long enough to know, so could someone explain "honco" to me? I would be much obliged and might even reciprocate with an upding.
When someone calls you that, you have to send that person $20, honco!!
//
445 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:34:13am |
re: #443 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
I haven't been around long enough to know, so could someone explain "honco" to me? I would be much obliged and might even reciprocate with an upding.
It's an anagram for "Human-Ophis Novel Chimeric Order", which is the name of Charles's hybrid lizard-human-breeding project.
446 | jaunte Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:34:27am |
re: #443 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
A critical email from Kuala Lumpur to our host once described the readers/commenters here as "zionist honcos."
447 | sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:34:56am |
((someone a long time ago fat fingered "Honchos" ))
448 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:36:09am |
Lesson in realpolitik-Everyone remember the critics of "Star Wars" or Reagans anti missile research? How about all that opposition to the Raytheon ICBM interceptor? "Patriot did not work as advertised"?
If that money and effort had not been spent there would be no Iron Dome. If the critics of anti missile technology that called it impossible and a waste of money had had their way, many more would be dead, and the Gaza ground invasion would have been a certainty.
Iron Dome is now a proven lifesaver, and proof of concept that defensive missiles do not de stabilize a region, they just save lives. At this point, on both sides. Only the aggressor needs to fear anti missile technology.
Putin take note, your peculiar bellicosity does not change the facts.
449 | watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:36:13am |
re: #339 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
Judd Philips, the founder of Tea Party Nation, has some hilarious batshittery at Whirled Nut Drooly explaining how Romney can STILL win the Presidency:
Looky at what WND says now...lmao
Editor’s note, Nov. 20, 2012: Since this column was posted it has been discovered that the premise presented about the Electoral College and the Constitution is in error.
450 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:36:54am |
re: #448 Daniel Ballard
Lesson in realpolitik-Everyone remember the critics of "Star Wars" or Reagans anti missile research? How about all that opposition to the Raytheon ICBM interceptor? "Patriot did not work as advertised"?
If that money and effort had not been spent there would be no Iron Dome.
There is absolutely zero relationship between Iron Dome and Star Wars.
451 | wrenchwench Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:37:28am |
A block away from where I am is a gun shop. A friend just told me that the reason there was a helicopter in the area and a bunch of traffic diverted onto the street out front was that an employee in that gun shop was handling a gun and it went off and shot a customer in the back. The victim was flown to the nearest trauma center, about 150 miles away. I hope he's OK.
Now it seems more dangerous to go to the post office (across the street from the gun shop) than to walk in the woods during deer season.
452 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:37:54am |
Here it is, "Code Red" at the Kotel!
453 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:38:59am |
re: #449 watching you tiny alien kittens are
Looky at what WND says now...lmao
If the piece is in error to that degree, thet it ought to be taken down entirely. But of course that won't happen, since it would be seen as "capitulating to Obamunism" or some such stupidity.
454 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:40:04am |
re: #450 Obdicut
There is absolutely zero relationship between Iron Dome and Star Wars.
Not really true. Iron Dome used a good deal of the R&D work done on ABM systems.
455 | Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:40:14am |
re: #449 watching you tiny alien kittens are
Looky at what WND says now...lmao
Need the clip of NOMAD from that TOS Star Trek episode going... "Err..or?" and then freaking out.
;)
456 | makeitstop Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:40:42am |
re: #431 William Barnett-Lewis
Ah, that makes much more sense. Though the Public Radio station out on the Rez probably would too :) My wife has turned into one of the premier punk dj's out there :LOL:
That's pretty cool! I did a lot of radio back when I was in college. And I would have gone on to do it professionally, had it not been for those pesky guitars. :)
457 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:40:49am |
re: #432 Vicious Babushka
Take your monitor and place it upside down of course. /
458 | Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:42:09am |
re: #451 wrenchwench
Where do you live? Just curious as to if it's open-carry or why in the world somebody was handling a loaded firearm. Especially if you're an employee at the shop.
The problem with dumb people and firearms is that they always seem to accidentally shoot somebody else and not themselves.
459 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:43:30am |
re: #450 Obdicut
There is absolutely zero relationship between Iron Dome and Star Wars.
That's untrue. The strategy is the same. The concept of anti missile defense is the same. And the R&D work certainly carried forward, as aerospace technology always rests on past advances.
Sorry anti missile defense critics-you were wrong.
460 | Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:44:04am |
re: #449 watching you tiny alien kittens are
Looky at what WND says now...lmao
Jeez, I thought they had already thrown Rmoney under the bus and were back to working on impeachment. Hard to keep up with the frothing lunatics these days.
461 | Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:44:08am |
re: #458 Ghost of Tom Joad
Where do you live? Just curious as to if it's open-carry or why in the world somebody was handling a loaded firearm. Especially if you're an employee at the shop.
The problem with dumb people and firearms is that they always seem to accidentally shoot somebody else and not themselves.
I think there are lots of cases of people mishandling firearms and shooting themselves while handling or cleaning. But treated as a "dog bites man" event and thus not considered worthy of reporting.
462 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:44:57am |
re: #454 Dark_Falcon
Not really true. Iron Dome used a good deal of the R&D work done on ABM systems.
Star Wars was the space-based stuff, the lasers and rail guns and shit. If you just mean SDI in general, then sure, but interceptor technology isn't new, and arguably Star Wars delayed interceptor technology by a lot since so much of the focus was on the Star Wars pie in the sky stuff that would never work.
Even the ground-based stuff is a very weak argument. Very little research is every truly wasted, but if they had actually focused on tactical interception from the get-go they'd be a lot farther ahead.
463 | wrenchwench Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:45:04am |
re: #458 Ghost of Tom Joad
Where do you live? Just curious as to if it's open-carry or why in the world somebody was handling a loaded firearm. Especially if you're an employee at the shop.
The problem with dumb people and firearms is that they always seem to accidentally shoot somebody else and not themselves.
New Mexico. It's open-carry, and concealed with a permit. I've seen signs on the door of the shop warning customers not to ever bring in a loaded weapon. And I know you're always supposed to handle a weapon as though it's loaded. But there's always the stupid.
464 | wrenchwench Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:48:14am |
465 | Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:48:18am |
Hmm, Kevin Clash has resigned from Sesame Street. Elmo made no comment.
[Link: theclicker.today.com...]
466 | Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:49:10am |
re: #463 wrenchwench
/le sigh I come from a hunting/somewhat gun-nutty background, so anytime I read a story like this I just cringe. Come on people.
467 | RadicalModerate Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:49:24am |
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
I had to doublecheck that it wasn't satire from the Onion - its a real article in The Atlantic
Mitt Romney Is Back to Pumping His Own Gas
The picture included is absolutely priceless.
468 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:49:34am |
re: #462 Obdicut
Not just pie in the sky-
Under the SDIO's Innovative Sciences and Technology Office, headed by physicist and engineer Dr. James Ionson,[5] the investment was predominantly made in basic research at national laboratories, universities, and in industry, and these programs have continued to be key sources of funding for top research scientists in the fields of high-energy physics, supercomputing/computation, advanced materials, and many other critical science and engineering disciplines: funding which indirectly supports other research work by top scientists, and which would be politically impossible to fund outside of the defense budget environment.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
469 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:49:34am |
re: #445 Obdicut
It's an anagram for "Human-Ophis Novel Chimeric Order", which is the name of Charles's hybrid lizard-human-breeding project.
re: #446 jaunte
A critical email from Kuala Lumpur to our host once described the readers/commenters here as "zionist honcos."
re: #447 sattv4u2
((someone a long time ago fat fingered "Honchos" ))
I think I like Obdicut's best, even though I don't believe it for a second..
470 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:51:35am |
re: #459 Daniel Ballard
That's untrue. The strategy is the same. The concept of anti missile defense is the same. And the R&D work certainly carried forward, as aerospace technology always rests on past advances.
Sorry anti missile defense critics-you were wrong.
Yeah, because Israel is using lasers in space to shoot down mortar rounds.
SDI did not start the concept of anti-missile defense. That was Project Nike.
I think you're just confused about what critics were criticizing and why. I think you're also making the mistake that just because research led to another discovery later, that initial research was efficient.
471 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:51:49am |
re: #467 RadicalModerate
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
I had to doublecheck that it wasn't satire from the Onion - its a real article in The AtlanticMitt Romney Is Back to Pumping His Own Gas
The picture included is absolutely priceless.
It looks like he's been sleeping in those clothes.
472 | Kragar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:52:24am |
re: #467 RadicalModerate
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
I had to doublecheck that it wasn't satire from the Onion - its a real article in The AtlanticMitt Romney Is Back to Pumping His Own Gas
The picture included is absolutely priceless.
HE'S GOING GARY BUSEY ON US!
473 | dragonfire1981 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:53:43am |
Did this editorial ever get mentioned earlier at LGF?
For the record, the writer is a Canadian who does not and has not ever lived in America.
474 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:53:53am |
No, Iron Dome has nothing at all to do with "Star Wars," and it does not vindicate the Star Wars concept. See:
[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]
475 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:54:01am |
re: #468 Daniel Ballard
Hey, I support giving shitloads of money to engineers and high energy physicists and the rest.
But we don't, and we won't, have a working Star Wars system. If we had spent the money directly on figuring out tactical missile interception rather than ICBM, we'd have a much better version of Iron Dome now. Instead, the research has to be adapted.
But I totally am on board with just shoving money at physicists and material engineers and shit. I love that. And arguably fantasy projects that have no real chance of coming true set a nicely high bar. But we'd have a much better missile defense system now if they had focused on tactical missile defense from the start, rather than anti-ICBM defense.
476 | DisturbedEma Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:54:22am |
re: #437 sattv4u2
Noted, if you need reminding about what you had for lunch a got your back:)
477 | Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:54:23am |
re: #467 RadicalModerate
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
I had to doublecheck that it wasn't satire from the Onion - its a real article in The AtlanticMitt Romney Is Back to Pumping His Own Gas
The picture included is absolutely priceless.
That guy should have called 9-11. Mitt looks like he's got dead people in his vehicle, and he's going out to kill a few more.
478 | dragonfire1981 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:55:14am |
re: #467 RadicalModerate
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
I had to doublecheck that it wasn't satire from the Onion - its a real article in The AtlanticMitt Romney Is Back to Pumping His Own Gas
The picture included is absolutely priceless.
I can picture him holing up in his house and somewhat losing his mind, actually pretending he's President, holding "intelligence briefings" with stuffed animals, hiring neighborhood kids as "secret service" and refusing to answer to anything besides "Mr. President" or "President Romney".
479 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:56:06am |
re: #448 Daniel Ballard
Lesson in realpolitik-Everyone remember the critics of "Star Wars" or Reagans anti missile research? How about all that opposition to the Raytheon ICBM interceptor? "Patriot did not work as advertised"?
If that money and effort had not been spent there would be no Iron Dome.
Sorry but that's complete and utter bullshit. Iron Dome is the simple linear successor to the Patriot missile system, active since 1981. Star Wars was supposed to be space based, used energy weapons and orbiting "brilliant pebbles." The intercept speeds involved were orders of magnitude greater than anything Iron Dome will ever be asked to deal with. A Qassam rocket moves at 200 meters per second, less than Mach 1. A typical incoming ICBM is moving at around Mach 23. That problem still hasn't been reliably solved. Even the US missile defense interceptors at Vandenberg game their tests by spin stabilizing and putting transponders on all their targets. We're learning more about how to deliberately run two of our own missiles into each other than duplicating an enemy ICBM launch with decoys, etc.
480 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:56:26am |
481 | dragonfire1981 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:56:28am |
re: #474 Charles Johnson
No, Iron Dome has nothing at all to do with "Star Wars," and it does not vindicate the Star Wars concept. See:
[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]
I'll take a crack army of Stormtroopers and Imperial Walkers over a dome any day.
482 | Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:58:20am |
re: #480 Obdicut
That's Bruce Campbell on a bad day.
(Just noticed the similarity.)
This...is my CAR ELEVATOR!
483 | Lidane Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:58:35am |
Gun group says because of Obamacare, bureaucrats can come to your house and "take away your guns" bit.ly/URtjiw— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) November 20, 2012
484 | Kragar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:59:17am |
re: #481 dragonfire1981
I'll take a crack army of Stormtroopers and Imperial Walkers over a dome any day.
You'd be better off with a bunch of muppets with spears.
485 | Lidane Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:59:53am |
re: #480 Obdicut
That's Bruce Campbell on a bad day.
(Just noticed the similarity.)
That's an insult to Bruce Campbell. Heh.
486 | Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:59:59am |
487 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:00:12am |
488 | makeitstop Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:01:20am |
489 | Kragar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:01:33am |
490 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:01:39am |
re: #484 Kragar
You'd be better off with a bunch of muppets with spears.
My theory is that Endor had some of the most primo weed in existence, and the stormtroopers and AT-AT drivers etc. there were just blazed out of their mind, thus managing to lose a battle to corpulent wombats.
491 | Lidane Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:01:56am |
Today in Fox Nation headlines: twitter.com/bendimiero/sta...— Ben Dimiero (@bendimiero) November 20, 2012
492 | Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:02:03am |
493 | Kragar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:02:40am |
495 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:05:16am |
Did Obama pardon any dogs?— Jonah Goldberg (@JonahNRO) November 20, 2012
IOTD
496 | RadicalModerate Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:05:59am |
re: #473 dragonfire1981
Did this editorial ever get mentioned earlier at LGF?
For the record, the writer is a Canadian who does not and has not ever lived in America.
Looking at his editorial today, he's a fan of Gilad Sharon's idea of genocide in Gaza.
[Link: www.galganov.com...]
497 | TedStriker Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:06:36am |
re: #465 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears
Hmm, Kevin Clash has resigned from Sesame Street. Elmo made no comment.
[Link: theclicker.today.com...]
He shouldn't have been allowed to resign, he should have been sacked.
498 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:07:25am |
re: #496 RadicalModerate
Hah. He really is making the "Romney didn't fail... the American people did!" argument.
499 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:07:39am |
re: #475 Obdicut
Hey, I support giving shitloads of money to engineers and high energy physicists and the rest.
But we don't, and we won't, have a working Star Wars system. If we had spent the money directly on figuring out tactical missile interception rather than ICBM, we'd have a much better version of Iron Dome now. Instead, the research has to be adapted.
But I totally am on board with just shoving money at physicists and material engineers and shit. I love that. And arguably fantasy projects that have no real chance of coming true set a nicely high bar. But we'd have a much better missile defense system now if they had focused on tactical missile defense from the start, rather than anti-ICBM defense.
but back in the 1980's the big threat was seen to be Soviet ICBMs. So that's where the research dollars went, into stopping that threat. Later, when other threats took priority, monies were channeled towards dealing with those.
But one bit of tech that came into wide use in the 80's has proven useful for countering rockets.
500 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:07:55am |
re: #470 Obdicut
You moved my goalposts again. I never said efficient. SDI was a spectrum of technologies, critics linchpin their argument on the most difficult technologies, and were dead wrong about kinetic hit to kill being impossible. Lasers don't work YET. They will.
SDI, later expanded under Clinton resulted in functional defensive missiles good enough to hit warheads or satellites.
NIKE (A program I researched for various reasons including a photo shoot at an old installation) was about intercepting incoming bombers, not ICBM warheads. It predates the ICBM age. In fact ICBM (then later multi warhead or MIRV) is why in part NIKE was abandoned as obsolete. It was an atom bomb on a missile designed to take out multiple bombers at a stroke.
Folks we have a limited working system in place. The concept of anti missile interception by a missile was widely called impossible. It isn't. Arguing it's not star wars is using a critics phrase to define it, unfair at best.
And I disagree with basing the criticism on the technology at all. What I point out is the concept once called impossible is in fact possible. It's limited, it's not perfect but we now have a proof of concept like we never had before.
501 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:07:55am |
re: #497 Ben G. Hazi
He shouldn't have been allowed to resign, he should have been sacked.
The guy recanted, you know, and said it was a consensual adult relationship. Huge age difference, but still not a reason to fire him.
503 | dragonfire1981 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:08:47am |
re: #497 Ben G. Hazi
He shouldn't have been allowed to resign, he should have been sacked.
I disagree. Remember he hasn't been convicted of anything and only admitted to a consensual relationship. Allegations should not be enough to get someone canned. Suspended maybe, but not fired.
Clash made the smart move here.
504 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:10:09am |
505 | makeitstop Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:10:10am |
re: #501 Obdicut
The guy recanted, you know, and said it was a consensual adult relationship. Huge age difference, but still not a reason to fire him.
Agreed.
And Kevin Clash is one of the coolest names ever.
506 | jaunte Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:10:28am |
re: #473 dragonfire1981
Did this editorial ever get mentioned earlier at LGF?
For the record, the writer is a Canadian who does not and has not ever lived in America.
"When that New York SCREWBALL Mayor (Bloomberg) legislated the size of soft drinks FREE PEOPLE could NOT buy, who accepted HIS decision to take away THEIR Freedom, it said all that needed to be said about how unimportant FREEDOM means to most people."
The Big Gulp, she is the litmus water of FREEDOM!
507 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:10:30am |
re: #499 Dark_Falcon
but back in the 1980's the big threat was seen to be Soviet ICBMs. So that's where the research dollars went, into stopping that threat.
Even then, we knew that Star Wars would never work. The basic problems with it existed from the start: Countermeasure technology would always be ahead of it, and the system could never really be tested.
The only possible used of anti-ICBM technology is if one errant missile gets launched. We might then have a slim chance of intercepting it. In any real attack: never, ever would we have a chance of intercepting a significant number.
It was always a fools errand. That doesn't mean it can't produce great science and research. You can get a long way trying to solve the impossible in science. But that doesn't mean that the goal isn't impossible, or that you couldn't have gotten somewhere else realistic with the same expenditure.
508 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:11:59am |
BTW, Iron Dome has to do some things that SDI wasn't intended to deal with - that is short period launch, acquisition, target, and destroy because of the range and time constraints of shooting down short range missiles/mortars.
While the speeds of mortars and kassams (or any of the other missiles/rockets in Hamas' arsenal) is nothing like that of an approaching ballistic missile trajectory, the time involved is far more compressed. You have seconds to acquire the target versus several minutes following launch of an ICBM to acquire the target.
Target acquisition is another issue. ICBM has a specific identifying trait - the large energy signature that can be picked up on infrared and is easily identifiable. The energy signatures for kassams, let alone mortars is far smaller and more difficult to pick out - especially in an urban environment.
It's amazing that Iron Dome works as well as is currently being indicated (and as with the Patriots during Desert Storm, the final tally will likely be lower than advertised but still impressive nonetheless).
The only thing that Iron Dome really has in common with SDI is that both are intended to deal with an inbound missile threat.
If a country operated a missile defense system in depth, you'd have CIWS, followed by Iron Dome, then Patriot. SDI would have supplemented that Patriot with a system that goes after the missiles in the launch phase as well as in midflight while Patriot goes after the inbound target in the terminal phase.
509 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:12:49am |
re: #474 Charles Johnson
No, Iron Dome has nothing at all to do with "Star Wars," and it does not vindicate the Star Wars concept. See:
[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]
Disagree. My point is the basic concept (not particular tech) that was called impossible. The wisdom of such a system varies by location and timing. Euorpe? Dodgy. Alaska? Vandenberg? Perfectly appropriate.
But IMO stopping incoming warheads with advanced tech is a fine idea. On that point, I find the critics to be in error. Iron Dome with it's limitation validates the concept.
510 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:13:38am |
re: #507 Obdicut
Even then, we knew that Star Wars would never work. The basic problems with it existed from the start: Countermeasure technology would always be ahead of it, and the system could never really be tested.
The only possible used of anti-ICBM technology is if one errant missile gets launched. We might then have a slim chance of intercepting it. In any real attack: never, ever would we have a chance of intercepting a significant number.
It was always a fools errand. That doesn't mean it can't produce great science and research. You can get a long way trying to solve the impossible in science. But that doesn't mean that the goal isn't impossible, or that you couldn't have gotten somewhere else realistic with the same expenditure.
But the Soviet Union ended up thinking we might well be able to pull it off (Putin still does think that) and the resultant fear helped drive Gorbachev to the negotiation table.
511 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:16:16am |
re: #509 Daniel Ballard
Disagree. My point is the basic concept (not particular tech) that was called impossible.
And the concept of intercepting ICBMs in mass numbers is impossible.
But IMO stopping incoming warheads with advanced tech is a fine idea. On that point, I find the critics to be in error. Iron Dome with it's limitation validates the concept.
Then it seems like you don't understand the concepts. It's like saying that developing skill hitting a baseball makes you better at hockey because they both involve hitting things with sticks.
512 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:16:44am |
re: #507 Obdicut
Even then, we knew that Star Wars would never work. The basic problems with it existed from the start: Countermeasure technology would always be ahead of it, and the system could never really be tested.
The only possible used of anti-ICBM technology is if one errant missile gets launched. We might then have a slim chance of intercepting it. In any real attack: never, ever would we have a chance of intercepting a significant number.
It was always a fools errand. That doesn't mean it can't produce great science and research. You can get a long way trying to solve the impossible in science. But that doesn't mean that the goal isn't impossible, or that you couldn't have gotten somewhere else realistic with the same expenditure.
Adding this to the long list of people who called certain technologies impossible that were later proven wrong. BTW lasers in space were set aside because of an agreement to not weaponize space. That agreement may fall and of course it's obvious lasers work better without an atmosphere to cut through first.
513 | erik_t Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:17:28am |
re: #511 Obdicut
And the concept of intercepting ICBMs in mass numbers is impossible.
Well, to be pedantic, the concept is just fine. It's the utterly hilarious cost of the absurd number of interceptors you'd need that makes the idea laugh-out-loud impractical.
514 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:19:03am |
re: #510 Dark_Falcon
But the Soviet Union ended up thinking we might well be able to pull it off (Putin still does think that) and the resultant fear helped drive Gorbachev to the negotiation table.
Gorbachev asked his science adviser if SDI could work. His adviser said no, they could easily build countermeasures and overwhelm it with numbers. This was correct. Sadly, the USSR had a better grasp on the science of it than us.
However, it was still a useful political weapon because ordinary people didn't really understand it wasn't possible, so it did put pressure on Gorbachev. And maybe Gorbachev didn't trust Soviet scientists, because Soviet science had a band tendency to tell the leadership what they though the leadership wanted to know.
515 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:19:33am |
One interesting thing will be to see how anti-rocket systems fare if one of them is even faced with a foe who has access to Anti-Radiation Missiles (ARMs). That sort of threat could majorly degrade an anti-missile system's effectiveness.
516 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:19:46am |
re: #512 Daniel Ballard
Adding this to the long list of people who called certain technologies impossible that were later proven wrong.
What are you talking about? We don't have a working ICBM interception system. Why are you trying to claim we do?
517 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:20:25am |
re: #513 erik_t
Well, to be pedantic, the concept is just fine. It's the utterly hilarious cost of the absurd number of interceptors you'd need that makes the idea laugh-out-loud impractical.
Sure. So is the concept of floating orbital colonies of sheep to get in the way of the ICBMs.
Let's fund that. I bet we get awesome research from that and, hey, space wool.
518 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:23:11am |
re: #514 Obdicut
Gorbachev asked his science adviser if SDI could work. His adviser said no, they could easily build countermeasures and overwhelm it with numbers. This was correct. Sadly, the USSR had a better grasp on the science of it than us.
However, it was still a useful political weapon because ordinary people didn't really understand it wasn't possible, so it did put pressure on Gorbachev. And maybe Gorbachev didn't trust Soviet scientists, because Soviet science had a band tendency to tell the leadership what they though the leadership wanted to know.
It was also that Gorbachev thought, correctly, that his R&D people were self-serving and would push to build new ICBMs to justify their positions and agency budgets.
Thankfully, however it went, things did cool down starting with the signing of the IRBM Treaty in 1987. The elimination of the Pershing IIs and SS-20s was the arms-control success the left had said Reagan would never embrace. But Reagan's belief in the 'Zero Option' he articulated proved sincere.
519 | Lidane Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:23:23am |
Things that make you go hmmm...
Butterball's PR Staff Mysteriously Absent Pre-Thanksgiving bit.ly/XxTGBj— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) November 20, 2012
520 | erik_t Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:23:49am |
re: #517 Obdicut
Sure. So is the concept of floating orbital colonies of sheep to get in the way of the ICBMs.
Let's fund that. I bet we get awesome research from that and, hey, space wool.
Spoken with the dour mocking tone of a man who hasn't experienced his first space-wool thong.
Haters gonna hate.
(I do not endorse spending a godzillian dollars on a SDI-scale actual factual missile mega-shield)
521 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:23:52am |
re: #511 Obdicut
And the concept of intercepting ICBMs in mass numbers is impossible.
Then it seems like you don't understand the concepts. It's like saying that developing skill hitting a baseball makes you better at hockey because they both involve hitting things with sticks.
Please try not to confuse our differing views with a lack of understanding on my part. You had NIKE wrong. You had to admit that yes certain tech carried forward from SDI, again later (thankfully) furthered by the Clinton administration. Investments continue because of the validity of the concept.
Stopping thousands of warheads is impossible. How does that make stopping some a bad idea? (Rhetorical it does not) The money argument is the usual lives vs defense costs argument. Some day more nations will have ICBM. Will they have thousands? Prolly not.
522 | watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:24:44am |
re: #516 Obdicut
What are you talking about? We don't have a working ICBM interception system. Why are you trying to claim we do?
Not entirely true...
[Link: www.mda.mil...]
523 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:28:42am |
I've never had reason to consider a vacation in Branson. Until now. That would be the world's first twisting wooden coaster - it will do a double barrel roll among its other tricks (world's steepest, and 2d fastest wooden coaster in the world).
524 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:29:36am |
re: #521 Daniel Ballard
Please try not to confuse our differing views with a lack of understanding on my part.
You seem to think we have a working ICBM interception system. We don't. You seem to think there is a similarity in intercepting an ICBM and intercepting a mortar round. Let me be clear: There's about as much similarity as there is between an ICBM and a mortar round.
Stopping thousands of warheads is impossible. How does that make stopping some a bad idea?
Because they're nuclear warheads, and stopping some will not significantly lower the damage given sufficient numbers, which the Soviets had. In addition, we don't have any reason to believe we could even stop some.
Oh, and I didn't have Nike wrong. It was developed for bombers, but adapted for missiles. The Nike Hercules was adapted to be able to hit cruise missiles.
[Link: alpha.fdu.edu...]
I'm fine with arguing, but you're not allowed to deny historical reality. Or physics.
525 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:30:11am |
No current missile defense technology is going stop a Topol-M:
According to Russia the missile is designed to be immune to any current or planned U.S. missile defense system.[19] It is claimed to be capable of making evasive maneuvers to avoid a kill by terminal phase interceptors, and carries targeting countermeasures and decoys. It is shielded against radiation, EMP, nuclear explosions at distances over 500 meters, and is designed to survive a hit from any laser technology.[20]
526 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:30:14am |
re: #522 watching you tiny alien kittens are
Not entirely true...
[Link: www.mda.mil...]
I said 'working'.
527 | CuriousLurker Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:30:27am |
re: #519 Lidane
Things that make you go hmmm...
[Embedded content]
They're prolly at Sharia camp getting extra training on how to better conceal the covert distribution of halal turkeys. //
528 | Henchman Ghazi-808 Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:31:13am |
I'm getting exciting for some Sharia Turkey this holiday season. Stuffed with falafel.
529 | Kragar Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:31:19am |
You knew this was coming:
‘Unskewed Polls’ Founder Dean Chambers Launches Vote Fraud Website
Dean Chambers, the founder of UnSkewedPolls.com, launched a new website last week alleging that President Barack Obama did not legitimately carry Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Florida, but instead won those states thanks to voter fraud.
530 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:31:55am |
Rockets' Red Glare - by Yousaf Butt | Foreign Policy
In fact, the CIA's own top specialist in strategic nuclear programs testified in 2000 that "[m]any countries, such as North Korea [and] Iran ... probably would rely initially on readily available technology ... to develop penetration aids and countermeasures. These countries could develop countermeasures based on these technologies by the time they flight test their missiles."
Unfortunately, warnings of such fatal weaknesses were not heeded in designing the NATO missile defense system. Now, two government-sponsored scientific studies have shown that the missile defense system being planned to protect the United States and Europe is fundamentally flawed and will not work under combat conditions. As Philip Coyle, who was associate director for national security and international affairs in the Obama administration's Office of Science and Technology Policy, recently put it, the program is "chasing scientific dead ends, unworkable concepts and a flawed overall architecture."
531 | Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:33:07am |
re: #529 Kragar
You knew this was coming:
‘Unskewed Polls’ Founder Dean Chambers Launches Vote Fraud Website
I was directed to the site by the Frum blog. Do Not Touch A Button. Hitting one of his gave me a blast of heavy gay and straight porn. The place is probably badly infected. (Did I mention I love Linux?)
532 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:33:12am |
re: #529 Kragar
You knew this was coming:
‘Unskewed Polls’ Founder Dean Chambers Launches Vote Fraud Website
Just trying to bilk some more cash out of gullible wingnuts.
533 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:33:34am |
re: #530 Charles Johnson
Good article, but more important; Yousaf Butt. Grade school must have been hell.
534 | erik_t Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:35:24am |
535 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:35:44am |
re: #525 goddamnedfrank
No current missile defense technology is going stop a Topol-M:
The Russians say many things that aren't true, Frank. They spent the whole of the 1980's claiming that their MiG-29 could defeat the US F-15 Eagle, but every engagement between the two types has ended in a lopsided victory for the F-15.
536 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:35:52am |
re: #516 Obdicut
What are you talking about? We don't have a working ICBM interception system. Why are you trying to claim we do?
Oh? Not so. Alaska, It can stop one or two. it is officially in service. I hope we get more of them. It's called the EKV.
Current counter-ICBM systems
There are only two systems in the world that can intercept ICBMs. Besides them, many smaller systems exist (tactical ABMs), that generally cannot intercept intercontinental strategic missiles, even if within range—an incoming ICBM simply moves too fast for these systems.
The Russian A-35 anti-ballistic missile system for defense of Moscow was established in 1971, has been improved since, and is still active. Presently it is called A-135 and it uses two missile types, Gorgon and Gazelle. They are both armed with nuclear warheads.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The U.S. Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GMD; previously known as National Missile Defense – NMD) system has recently reached initial operational capability. Instead of using an explosive charge, it launches a kinetic projectile. The George W. Bush administration accelerated development and deployment of a system proposed in 1998 by the Clinton administration. The system is a dual purpose test and interception facility in Alaska, and in 2006 was operational with a few interceptor missiles. The Alaska site provides more protection against North Korean missiles or launches from Russia or China, but is likely less effective against missiles launched from the Middle East. President Bush referenced the 9/11 attacks and the proliferation of ballistic missiles as reasons for missile defense. The current GMD system has the more limited goal of shielding against a limited attack by a rogue state.
537 | Varek Raith Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:36:09am |
538 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:37:13am |
re: #531 Decatur Deb
I was directed to the site by the Frum blog. Do Not Touch A Button. Hitting one of his gave me a blast of heavy gay and straight porn. The place is probably badly infected. (Did I mention I love Linux?)
The gay porn dump has been added to allow closeted evangelicals to perform their 'research'.
539 | RadicalModerate Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:37:53am |
re: #529 Kragar
You knew this was coming:
‘Unskewed Polls’ Founder Dean Chambers Launches Vote Fraud Website
Someone needs to ask Mr. Chambers if the Republican Governors and Secretarys of State of the four states (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia) were all part of this "vote-fraud conspiracy" that he's claiming.
540 | erik_t Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:38:15am |
re: #535 Dark_Falcon
The Russians say many things that aren't true, Frank. They spent the whole of the 1980's claiming that their MiG-29 could defeat the US F-15 Eagle, but every engagement between the two types has ended in a lopsided victory for the F-15.
All of these engagements have also been against middle eastern pilots from air forces whose training regimens could charitably be described as 'naive'.
Perspective should be maintained.
541 | Varek Raith Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:38:38am |
SDI against ICBM attacks is rather pointless.
All it takes is for a MIRVed ICBM to get through.
542 | Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:39:29am |
re: #517 Obdicut
Sure. So is the concept of floating orbital colonies of sheep to get in the way of the ICBMs.
Let's fund that. I bet we get awesome research from that and, hey, space wool.
Have the French made that much progress with ovine aviation? If so, moving on to low orbit follow-on technologies would make sense.
;)
543 | erik_t Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:40:06am |
re: #541 Varek Raith
SDI against ICBM attacks is rather pointless.
All it takes is for a MIRVed ICBM to get through.
All current systems intercept the reentry vehicle, so you're now simply talking about more interceptors being required. Treating it as a rock/paper/scissors matter is nonsensical.
544 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:41:00am |
re: #536 Daniel Ballard
It has a 50% success rate in tests where it already knows the missile is coming, there are no countermeasures used by the ICBM at all, and the dice are otherwise loaded in its favor. I hope we don't waste more money on them.
I don't think of something that works 50% of the time under absolutely optimal, best-case scenario conditions to be 'working'. At best, I'd call that 'sometimes working, if everything goes absolutely right and you don't make the test too challenging'. And it failed its last test.
Do you get that an ICBM and a mortar round are not comparable, and defenses against them are not comparable?
Do you get that the Nike Hercules was indeed an anti-missile intercept platform?
545 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:41:13am |
re: #534 erik_t
Um... without taking sides, I do wish to observe that the Russians are liable to claim very nice things about their weapons systems.
Nobody in the Pentagon is dismissing the claims. Because the technology to do it is trivial. All they did was harden the warhead, put thrusters on it for inbound phase maneuverability and give it a mirror polish.
Keep in mind these are the same people who figured out decades ago how to make a supercavitating torpedo.
Trivial. And that's the problem, it's always going to be massively easier to defeat advances in anti-missile technology than to develop them.
546 | Varek Raith Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:42:10am |
Throw enough ICBMs in the air and some will get through.
One getting through is one too many.
547 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:42:30am |
re: #540 erik_t
All of these engagements have also been against middle eastern pilots from air forces whose training regimens could charitably be described as 'naive'.
Perspective should be maintained.
Not true. Some of them in 1999 were against Mig-29 flown by Serbian pilots, who were both better educated and trained than their Syrian and Iraqi counterparts.
548 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:42:36am |
re: #545 goddamnedfrank
And unfortunately, by their nature, tests of intercept systems are incredibly visible, and so countermeasures are easy to develop.
549 | Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:43:01am |
re: #539 RadicalModerate
Someone needs to ask Mr. Chambers if the Republican Governors and Secretarys of State of the four states (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia) were all part of this "vote-fraud conspiracy" that he's claiming.
They were attempting to suppress it in advance.
///
550 | Varek Raith Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:43:43am |
re: #544 Obdicut
It has a 50% success rate in tests where it already knows the missile is coming, there are no countermeasures used by the ICBM at all, and the dice are otherwise loaded in its favor. I hope we don't waste more money on them.
I don't think of something that works 50% of the time under absolutely optimal, best-case scenario conditions to be 'working'. At best, I'd call that 'sometimes working, if everything goes absolutely right and you don't make the test too challenging'. And it failed its last test.
Do you get that an ICBM and a mortar round are not comparable, and defenses against them are not comparable?
Do you get that the Nike Hercules was indeed an anti-missile intercept platform?
With the option to arm the thing with a ~25 kiloton warhead...
Yeah, nuclear anti-missile missiles FTW!
/
551 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:43:55am |
re: #530 Charles Johnson
I hate to argue with such a good host as yourself. The CIA has one view, fair enough. Several Presidents including Clinton and Obama conclude it's worth continuing the work. I agree with them. Conclusions vary, technology moves ahead making the formerly impossible merely difficult then one day routine.
552 | Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:45:28am |
re: #541 Varek Raith
Without getting into this pissing contest, I'll just surmise that if it ever comes down to actually needing these types of defense...who gives a damn. The world will be utterly screwed anyway if it comes to everybody lobbing nuclear missiles at each other.
Might as well have the school children hide under their desks while we're at it.
553 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:45:40am |
re: #548 Obdicut
And unfortunately, by their nature, tests of intercept systems are incredibly visible, and so countermeasures are easy to develop.
but a decent counter can still have a strong impact, if only by forcing the enemy to throw far more missiles at a given target in order to ensure a kill.
It's ultimately not good for an enemy with thousands of missiles who aims to annihilate you, but against a foe with 100 missiles, interceptors might prove very useful indeed.
554 | Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:45:46am |
re: #545 goddamnedfrank
Nobody in the Pentagon is dismissing the claims. Because the technology to do it is trivial. All they did was harden the warhead, put thrusters on it for inbound phase maneuverability and give it a mirror polish.
Keep in mind these are the same people who figured out decades ago how to make a supercavitating torpedo.
Trivial. And that's the problem, it's always going to be massively easier to defeat advances in anti-missile technology than to develop them.
Interesting tech. And not a fun propellant mix to keep and maintain on a submarine.
555 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:46:52am |
re: #546 Varek Raith
Fewer is not better?
556 | Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:48:52am |
Poland Thwarts Terror Attack on Top Leaders
A Polish university researcher driven by nationalistic and anti-Semitic hatred was arrested for planning to detonate a four-ton bomb in front of the Parliament building in Warsaw with the president, prime minister, government ministers and lawmakers inside, authorities said Tuesday.
Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the suspect and his plot were discovered as investigators looked into Polish links to the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik. Polish security officials have said that Breivik bought small amounts of material for his bomb-making in Poland.
The foiled attack comes as the far-right movement appears to be growing in Poland, and as tensions simmer between Tusk's center-right government and its main rival, the conservative Law and Justice party led by Jaroslaw Kaczynski.
557 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:50:03am |
re: #553 Dark_Falcon
but a decent counter can still have a strong impact, if only by forcing the enemy to throw far more missiles at a given target in order to ensure a kill.
It's ultimately not good for an enemy with thousands of missiles who aims to annihilate you, but against a foe with 100 missiles, interceptors might prove very useful indeed.
No, they wouldn't. Anyone who's building 100 missiles will build them with countermeasure tech that can defeat your current level of sophistication. The only possible way that wouldn't happen is if we were able to develop countermeasure technology in secret, and that is basically impossible. Maybe once we can fly out behind the dark side of the moon.
I don't get why this is such a lodestone for armamentophiles. Is it a holdover from the terror of the Cold War? I remember being scared of nuclear war and I remember SDI seeming like a soothing idea.
Okay, SDI will work if we're attacked by incredibly stupid enemies, everything happens to be working exactly right that day, and they launch an ICBM at us rather than bringing it in on board a cargo ship or ocean liner or whatever and setting it off in the harbor. As long as everything goes right and our enemies are blithering idiots, we have about a 50% chance of success.
Yay?
558 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:50:15am |
re: #544 Obdicut
It has a 50% success rate in tests where it already knows the missile is coming, there are no countermeasures used by the ICBM at all, and the dice are otherwise loaded in its favor. I hope we don't waste more money on them.
I don't think of something that works 50% of the time under absolutely optimal, best-case scenario conditions to be 'working'. At best, I'd call that 'sometimes working, if everything goes absolutely right and you don't make the test too challenging'. And it failed its last test.
Do you get that an ICBM and a mortar round are not comparable, and defenses against them are not comparable?
Do you get that the Nike Hercules was indeed an anti-missile intercept platform?
50% is a work in progress.
And Nike Hercules was for bombers. How many links would you like?
[Link: alpha.fdu.edu...]
The Nike Mission
During the first decade of the Cold War, the Soviet Union began to develop a series of long-range bomber aircraft, capable of reaching targets within the continental United States. The potential threat posed by such aircraft became much more serious when, in 1949, the Russians exploded their first atomic bomb.
The perception that the Soviet Union might be capable of constructing a sizable fleet of long-range, nuclear-armed bomber aircraft capable of reaching the continental United States provided motivation to rapidly develop and deploy the Nike system to defend major U.S. population centers and other vital targets. The outbreak of hostilities in Korea, provided a further impetus to this deployment.
The mission of Nike within the continental U.S was to act as a "last ditch" line of air defense for selected areas. The Nike system would have been utilized in the event that the Air Force's long-range fighter-interceptor aircraft had failed to destroy any attacking bombers at a greater distance from their intended targets.
559 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:52:17am |
re: #558 Daniel Ballard
50% is a work in progress.
And Nike Hercules was for bombers. How many links would you like?
[Link: alpha.fdu.edu...]
Did you seriously just not fucking read that? You are starting to piss me off and I never get pissed off.
Work on a successor to the first Nike missile, the Nike Ajax, was initiated well before the first Ajax missiles were deployed at tactical sites across the nation. Two major considerations drove the development of the this second-generation Nike missile. The first was a requirement to produce a missile with improved speed, range and altitude capabilities to defend against a new generation of faster and smaller aerial targets, in particular, supersonic aircraft and cruise missiles. The second requirement was the desire to arm this new missile with a powerful atomic warhead to ensure destruction of the target aircraft and the destruction of disabling of any nuclear weapons it carried.
560 | Varek Raith Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:52:40am |
re: #555 Daniel Ballard
Fewer is not better?
We ain't talking about mortars here.
We're talking about multi-megaton warheads. The damage inflicted by just one will be a catastrophic and possibly unrecoverable event. And with a 50% interception success rate at optimal conditions, the USA would cease to exist.
561 | sagehen Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:52:59am |
re: #527 CuriousLurker
They're prolly at Sharia camp getting extra training on how to better conceal the covert distribution of halal turkeys. //
President Bartlett calls the Butterball Hotline:
562 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:53:13am |
re: #554 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears
Interesting tech. And not a fun propellant mix to keep and maintain on a submarine.
No, indeed. Hydrogen peroxide proved very dangerous when nations tried to use it as fuel in order to produce Air-Independant Propulsion (AIP) systems for submarines. It reminds me even more of the volatile propellents used in the WWII German Me-163 Komet.
563 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:53:48am |
If an ICBM interceptor is 50% successful, that means it's a total failure.
564 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:54:22am |
re: #563 Charles Johnson
If an ICBM interceptor is 50% successful, that means it's a total failure.
Not if you launch two of them per attacking missile.
565 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:54:44am |
re: #558 Daniel Ballard
50% is a work in progress.
And Nike Hercules was for bombers. How many links would you like?
[Link: alpha.fdu.edu...]
It was also for missiles:
The Nike-Hercules system, a follow-up to the Nike-Ajax missile, was developed during the Cold War to destroy enemy bombers and enemy bomber formations, as well as serve as an anti-ballistic missile system.
566 | Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:56:07am |
re: #564 Dark_Falcon
That 50% is not an aggregate number. If they only succeeded 25% of the time, launching 4 would not guarantee success. Come on.
567 | RadicalModerate Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:56:44am |
re: #551 Daniel Ballard
I hate to argue with such a good host as yourself. The CIA has one view, fair enough. Several Presidents including Clinton and Obama conclude it's worth continuing the work. I agree with them. Conclusions vary, technology moves ahead making the formerly impossible merely difficult then one day routine.
They are keeping some aspects of it going, as even with failure in practice there are things that can be learned, and applied to other areas.
That being said, there were SDI concepts (I'm looking at you, satellite-based missile defense systems) that current technology is both too costly and too unreliable, both in its own failure rate, as well as easily countermeasured to even be considered for anything beyond prototyping, much less mass-deployment.
568 | Eventual Carrion Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:56:50am |
re: #511 Obdicut
And the concept of intercepting ICBMs in mass numbers is impossible.
Then it seems like you don't understand the concepts. It's like saying that developing skill hitting a baseball makes you better at hockey because they both involve hitting things with sticks.
And using your same analogy, to defeat that hitter you just throw 50 dud balls at the batter at once with only one or two real balls. Star Wars tech is VERY easy to defeat. ICBMs are very fast to get to traveling velocity, making them hard to get in that short time before hitting cruising trajectory. At cruise trajectory they can deploy very cheap decoys to confuse the SDI system. So that kinda leaves the terminal dive to the target to hopefully get the missile, namely one chance.
569 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:57:07am |
re: #565 goddamnedfrank
Shit, it also was a surface-to-surface platform. Swiss army knife of missiles.
570 | Varek Raith Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:58:43am |
The Nike-Hercules was a AA and SA missile that was primarily armed with a nuclear warhead. Few were armed with HE warheads.
571 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:59:47am |
re: #564 Dark_Falcon
Not if you launch two of them per attacking missile.
Then you're only up to 75%.
You do understand that 2 X 50% doesn't equal a probability of 100%, right? Coin flips don't have memory.
572 | Eventual Carrion Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:01:27pm |
re: #529 Kragar
You knew this was coming:
‘Unskewed Polls’ Founder Dean Chambers Launches Vote Fraud Website
When being devastatingly wrong once a year just isn't enough.
573 | makeitstop Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:01:54pm |
re: #538 Dark_Falcon
The gay porn dump has been added to allow closeted evangelicals to perform their 'research'.
And in keeping with the theme, it's unskewed porn.
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574 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:02:26pm |
re: #571 goddamnedfrank
Then you're only up to 75%.
You do understand that 2 X 50% doesn't equal a probability of 100%, right? Coin flips don't have memory.
And these are tests being done with significant thumbs on the scale in favor of the interceptors.
575 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:05:10pm |
re: #571 goddamnedfrank
Then you're only up to 75%.
You do understand that 2 X 50% doesn't equal a probability of 100%, right? Coin flips don't have memory.
Yeah, I know. But 75% isn't a 'total failure'.
[heading upstairs]
576 | Eventual Carrion Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:05:41pm |
re: #546 Varek Raith
Throw enough ICBMs in the air and some will get through.
One getting through is one too many.
Don't even have to be armed ICBMs. Cheap duds will keep the whole system busy until the real warhead goes off as intended.
577 | Neutral President Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:07:50pm |
re: #564 Dark_Falcon
Not if you launch two of them per attacking missile.
Statistically, that would mean only a 75% chance of success.
578 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:09:05pm |
re: #577 Neutral President
Statistically, that would mean only a 75% chance of success.
And that's only if a failure doesn't represent a failure that'll affect the second launch too, like a sensor failure.
579 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:10:47pm |
re: #574 Obdicut
re: #560 Varek Raith
Lets say we intercept one of two. One aimed at LA one at Sand Diego. Ask the survivors in the city that still stands. Better yet say it takes even six or eight EKV's to take out two warheads.
What is wrong with that picture?
And Obdi, did you not question the existence of the EKV entirely above? Now that you know it exists we get to the real point. It's not good enough. To that I say not yet.
580 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:11:58pm |
re: #559 Obdicut
You equated cruise missiles with ICBM? Nice dodge almost as good as the new Russian warheads.
581 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:13:10pm |
re: #559 Obdicut
Want to be less pissed? Quit badgering & with denials about the Alaskan system and moving goal posts.
Sheesh GTG work to do
582 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:15:59pm |
re: #580 Daniel Ballard
You equated cruise missiles with ICBM? Nice dodge almost as good as the new Russian warheads.
What I like about this is not that it's a lie-- which it is-- but that you're beclowning your own argument here. You're mocking the idea that cruise missiles are like ICBMs, and yet claiming anti-ICBM technology is useful in shooting down conventional missiles. It's one of the best self-ownings I've seen in a long time.
For the record, this is what I said:
SDI did not start the concept of anti-missile defense. That was Project Nike.
Notice I didn't say ICBMs, because I didn't mean ICBMs. I said what I meant: Project Nike started the idea of anti-missile defense. If you want to get really, really, really particular, the British fooled around with stuff to try to intercept V1s and V2s, but it didn't really get anywhere.
But do you understand how, in your attempt to accuse me of spinning, you just destroyed your own argument by mocking the idea of cruise missiles and ICBMs being similar?
583 | Obdicut Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:16:28pm |
re: #579 Daniel Ballard
I never questioned the existence of non-working white elephant ICBM interception systems, no.
584 | prairiefire Tue, Nov 20, 2012 12:33:09pm |
re: #565 goddamnedfrank
It was also for missiles:
My dad help install Nike Hercules missiles in Korea in the Cold War digging trenches In the ground, pointed at China.
585 | Political Atheist Tue, Nov 20, 2012 1:43:10pm |
re: #565 goddamnedfrank
It was also for missiles:
Uh huh. In their dreams maybe. The big target was bombers. Everything else was wishful thinking, unlike today.
Deactivation
When it became apparent that the greatest threat to US National defense was from missiles instead of bombers, most Nike-Hercules units were deactivated
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]