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CNN Contributor Erick Erickson’s Right Wing Manifesto of Magical Thinking

Welcome to the Dark Ages
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You know how I said yesterday was Right Wing Anti-Science Day? Well, I was wrong, because every day is right wing anti-science day! And today we have a real howler of an anti-rational manifesto, courtesy of CNN contributor Erick Erickson.

I have to give credit where it’s due: Erickson does not try to dodge the issue, like Marco Rubio did. He’s anti-science and extremely proud of it, and he wants the world to know.

I reject evolution for the sake of evolution and reject that life on this planet, let alone the existence of this universe, is some random act. I reject that we are little better than the animals we evolved from because I reject that we evolved from anything other than God’s own mind. We were created in his image. We did not evolve into it. The only people certain in their belief on this matter are those who accept theory as fact and Truth as mythology.

[…Bible quote…]

The difference between the atheist and secular set on the left and even the right is that while they and I can think the Earth is billions of years old and they and I can think there was a big bang starting it all, we really do not know for sure and they absolutely do not know what came before the big bang. But I do.

[…Bible quote…]

But let’s not stop there. Because once every Christian politician in the country has answered that question, the secular set will just move on. Let me move on first.

Yes, I believe there was an Adam and I believe there was an Eve.

Yes, I believe there were two cities named Sodom and Gomorrah and yes I do believe they were destroyed for rampant sin including deviating from God’s intentions sexually.

Yes, I believe there was a man named Noah who spent 100 years building a giant boat and I do believe there was a great flood and the survivors of which were all on that boat.

And yes, I do believe there was a man named Jonah who was swallowed up by a great big fish and survived.

Above all those things, I do believe God came down to Earth in the form of Jesus

[…Bible quote…]

I absolutely believe it. I absolutely believe if by that time a person has not chosen Christ, he will end up in a very bad place. I believe in Heaven and Hell and the battle that rages between the two on a higher plane than we can often see.

Meanwhile, these secularists and atheists cannot even be honest about when life begins.

If you don’t follow Erickson’s brand of Biblical literalism, you’re simply not a Christian:

If you do not believe in the miraculous, you are not a Christian; it is as simple as that.

And if you’re not a Christian by his definition, and you don’t subscribe to his medieval magical thinking, you are doomed to burn in the eternal fires of hell, you filthy secularist hypocrite.

Many of the things I believe are miracles. Many of the things I believe have come to pass. Christ told us that those who were with him would be opposed by this world. The secularists of this world, I believe, can embrace fully contradictory things like support for gay rights and the advance of Islam into the Western World, because those things come from this world, not from Christ. The left is perfectly capable of contradiction and hypocrisy because they believe in nothing so much as themselves and the things of this world. Therefore, to them, there can be no contradiction and no hypocrisy in their world unless it comes from those who fail to meet the standards set by the faith of so many Christians.

He concludes with:

Have a wonderful and blessed Thanksgiving Holiday.

Unless you’re burning in the eternal fires of hell, that is.

Related:
Is Erick Erickson Ashamed of His Fellow Creationists?

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86 comments

1 Kragar  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:42:25pm

Crom laughs at silly son of Erik's fanciful "beliefs".

2 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:44:20pm

Why do these morons think that secularists embrace the advancement of Islam? Isn't the clue in the name, secularist?

Also:

Image: new-synthesis-evolution-creationism.gif

There, solved his Adam and Eve problem.

3 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:46:07pm
I reject evolution for the sake of evolution...

A WTF in the first eight words. Remarkable.

4 Kragar  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:46:26pm

So God used to show up all the time, smiting nonbelievers, doing ventriloquist acts with pyrotechnic shurbberies, rivers of bloods, creeping death, plagues of boils, etc, then he decided "Hey I'm God, I'm not making public appearances anymore." Then his Son stepped into the family business until he got called home and he just makes guest appearances in baked goods nowadays. This is Erickson's belief.

5 researchok  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:46:36pm

The legions of scientists who embrace faith see nothing which deters that faith and the accommodation of faith and reason.

The only problem it seems, are brought up up by people who know nothing of science and arguably, even less about faith.

People like Erick Erickson

6 3eff Jeff  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:47:30pm

re: #2 Obdicut

Why do these morons think that secularists embrace the advancement of Islam? Isn't the clue in the name, secularist?

But having a Fundamentalist Islamic regime outlaw things like abortion sounds like a great idea! I'm pretty sure that was part of Prop 30. ///////

7 Kragar  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:48:18pm

Getting a lot of mileage out of this one this week.

The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.

-Thomas Aquinas

8 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:48:27pm

re: #2 Obdicut

Why do these morons think that secularists embrace the advancement of Islam? Isn't the clue in the name, secularist?

Also:

Image: new-synthesis-evolution-creationism.gif

There, solved his Adam and Eve problem.

Oh, the Battlestar Galactica solution?

9 erik_t  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:50:08pm

He doesn't really say that the theory of evolution is wrong. He says he rejects it.

It's sort of insightful with regards to what passes as Erickson's thought process. I wonder if he noticed.

10 Tumulus11  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:51:15pm

. I firmly believe in mustard, tomato, relish and onions while rejecting pickles and lettuce.

11 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:51:45pm
12 allegro  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:51:45pm

re: #3 jaunte

A WTF in the first eight words. Remarkable.

A couple of years ago I was in the park laundry room folding clothes with another lady in there. She asked what I did and I told her I was a wildlife biologist, retired from (major state university). Set her off into a evolution rant, it did. She said there was no such thing as evolution and she could prove it because people hadn't changed at all in the last 200 years.

*facepalm*

13 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:52:02pm

as always, right wingers feel empowered to tell others what it is that they believe

if you tell them that you don't actually believe what they just told you you believe, well, that leads to yet another argument

14 Kragar  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:52:03pm

re: #9 erik_t

He doesn't really say that the theory of evolution is wrong. He says he rejects it.

It's sort of insightful with regards to what passes as Erickson's thought process. I wonder if he noticed.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"

15 euphgeek  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:52:04pm

If Eric Ericson rejects the theory of evolution, then he must also support freeing all criminals that were convicted using DNA evidence.

16 erik_t  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:53:07pm

re: #12 allegro

She said there was no such thing as evolution and she could prove it because people hadn't changed at all in the last 200 years.

Plate tectonics are a liberal plot. Why, my grandpappy was at just the same latitude as I am!

17 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:53:09pm

re: #13 engineer cat

as always, right wingers feel empowered to tell others what it is that they believe

if you tell them that you don't actually believe what they just told you you believe, well, that leads to yet another argument

You bigot! Stop persecuting me for my religious beliefs!!!

18 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:53:30pm

re: #2 Obdicut

Why do these morons think that secularists embrace the advancement of Islam? Isn't the clue in the name, secularist?

Also:

Image: new-synthesis-evolution-creationism.gif

There, solved his Adam and Eve problem.

NOT ENOUGH BENGHAZI!

19 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:56:58pm

Wanna see Erick's mind really blow? I'll hand him a copy of What Dreams May Come and suggest that Hell is simply a place where people who think they deserve to be punished for eternity go, a state of mind that can be overcome if one accepts that they've done nothing worth punishing and that centuries of religious dogma has fooled them into believing they have.

20 Kragar  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:57:53pm
Yes, I believe there were two cities named Sodom and Gomorrah and yes I do believe they were destroyed for rampant sin including deviating from God’s intentions sexually.

WRONG, SIR, WRONG!

Traditional interpretation of that passage says Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because the inhabitants were cruel and inhospitable to strangers. The deviant sexual angle didn't come about until Christianity with all their hangups came into the picture.

YOU WIN NOTHING! YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!

21 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:58:54pm

re: #2 Obdicut

Why do these morons think that secularists embrace the advancement of Islam? Isn't the clue in the name, secularist?

Also:

Image: new-synthesis-evolution-creationism.gif

There, solved his Adam and Eve problem.

Tom Weller is a genius:

Several thousand years ago, a small tribe of ignorant near-savages wrote various collections of myths, wild tales, lies, and gibberish. Over the centuries, these stories were embroidered, garbled, mutilated, and torn into small pieces that were then repeatedly shuffled. Finally, this material was badly translated into several languages successively. The resultant text, creationists feel, is the best guide to this complex and technical subject.

22 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:59:27pm

"Fossil fuels" will now be referred to as Holy Firejuice.

23 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:59:35pm
24 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:01:11pm

re: #20 Kragar

Traditional interpretation of that passage says Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because the inhabitants were cruel and inhospitable to strangers. The deviant sexual angle didn't come about until Christianity with all their hangups came into the picture.

WE HAVE A WINNER!1!

25 Kragar  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:01:13pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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26 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:01:37pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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I agree with Josh Marshall:

I long for the day when asking ”How old do you think the Earth is?” doesn’t trip up a prospective presidential candidate.

27 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:01:46pm

re: #7 Kragar

Getting a lot of mileage out of this one this week.

Yeah but Aquinas was a bloody heretic///

28 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:01:46pm

re: #21 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

The thing is, I don't believe we get to call them 'near-savages', since we've got guys like Erick Erickson. They were trying to figure out the universe and getting it mostly wrong, but a little right too. Erickson can't even get his biblical knowledge right-- as pointed out above, Soddom and Gommorah were destroyed for being cruel, inhospitable, and uncharitable towards the poor.

29 3eff Jeff  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:01:51pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Maybe they aren't going far enough. 6000 years is a long time. I have no direct evidence that the earth didn't pop into being in 1982 as-is and that y'all aren't just lying to me.

30 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:02:42pm

re: #10 Tumulus11

. I firmly believe in mustard, tomato, relish and onions while rejecting pickles and lettuce.

I find your views on condiments and toppings contemptible but I will fight to the death for your right to choose them.

31 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:02:49pm
32 Locker  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:03:22pm

How the hell can you talk about theory and lack of certainty yet in the very next sentence use faith and belief to justify something.

Let's see here.. which do I think has more certainty, tested and repeatable scientific theories or made up ideas which are expected to be accepted with zero evidence or certainty?

Seems like a pretty straightforward answer and it's not "faith".

33 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:03:46pm
34 Kragar  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:03:56pm

ERICKSON AND FISCHER ARE FULL OF SHIT WITH THEIR 6000 YEARS!

The Earth is only 5 minutes old. All evidence to the contrary was put their by the omnipotent one true GOD to trick you.

Why bother trying to trick you? BECAUSE SHUT UP, YOU FILTHY HERETIC!

35 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:04:03pm

How do we know this isn't all just a giant computer simulation, that we're not all just plugged into a computer simulation that's keeping us unaware of our usage as batteries for a massive computer artificial intelligence?

//

36 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:04:45pm

re: #28 Obdicut

The thing is, I don't believe we get to call them 'near-savages', since we've got guys like Erick Erickson. They were trying to figure out the universe and getting it mostly wrong, but a little right too. Erickson can't even get his biblical knowledge right-- as pointed out above, Soddom and Gommorah were destroyed for being cruel, inhospitable, and uncharitable towards the poor.

I don't have any trouble calling them near-savages as long as it's fully recognized that Erickson is a nearer-savage.

37 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:04:50pm

re: #28 Obdicut

The thing is, I don't believe we get to call them 'near-savages', since we've got guys like Erick Erickson. They were trying to figure out the universe and getting it mostly wrong, but a little right too. Erickson can't even get his biblical knowledge right-- as pointed out above, Soddom and Gommorah were destroyed for being cruel, inhospitable, and uncharitable towards the poor.

Of course. They wanted "gifts."

38 Kragar  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:05:40pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

How do we know this isn't all just a giant computer simulation, that we're not all just plugged into a computer simulation that's keeping us unaware of our usage as batteries for a massive computer artificial intelligence?

//

Legends foretell the day one of us will rise up and be the Holy Firewall.

39 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:05:46pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

How do we know this isn't all just a giant computer simulation, that we're not all just plugged into a computer simulation that's keeping us unaware of our usage as batteries for a massive computer artificial intelligence?

//

There's a film treatment in there somewhere . . .

40 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:06:24pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

How do we know this isn't all just a giant computer simulation, that we're not all just plugged into a computer simulation that's keeping us unaware of our usage as batteries for a massive computer artificial intelligence?

//

I don't think I have enough energy for that.

41 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:07:18pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

How do we know this isn't all just a giant computer simulation, that we're not all just plugged into a computer simulation that's keeping us unaware of our usage as batteries for a massive computer artificial intelligence?

//

The first movie was okay. I fell asleep in the theater during the second one. During the rave scene, at that. Never bothered to go watch it again, or with the third movie.

I like to pretend The Matrix series ended with the first film. Heh.

42 Jan Smiddy  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:07:51pm

Well I guess they were right about fluoride all along. It obviously lowered Ericks IQ to the very low single digits. And given the alarming number of co religionists there must be something other than Kook Aid behind all of this seriously bad craziness.

43 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:07:54pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

The young-earth variant of creationism is a severe filter for craziness --- even Erickson doesn't commit to that bit of nuttiness. Given everything else he's prepared to believe for no reason at all, its a bit of a mystery why he doesn't.

Probably has more to do with textual issues in the bible (e.g., hard to count days/years before the sun was around) than any real evidence.

44 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:07:57pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

How do we know this isn't all just a giant computer simulation, that we're not all just plugged into a computer simulation that's keeping us unaware of our usage as batteries for a massive computer artificial intelligence?

//

Is that thing running Vista? Keep getting the BSOD.

45 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:08:27pm

re: #39 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

There's a film treatment in there somewhere . . .

For one film, yes. Anything more than that and it becomes one of those over-long SNL skits that goes nowhere.

46 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:08:29pm

re: #41 Lidane

The first movie was okay. I fell asleep in the theater during the second one. During the rave scene, at that. Never bothered to go watch it again, or with the third movie.

I like to pretend The Matrix series ended with the first film. Heh.

Supposedly, the Brothers had intended there to be a trilogy, but had expected Reloaded/Revolutions to be essentially one movie and a prequel made to explain the whole mess.

But that's if you believe the Brothers.

47 3eff Jeff  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:08:55pm

re: #41 Lidane

The first movie was okay. I fell asleep in the theater during the second one. During the rave scene, at that. Never bothered to go watch it again, or with the third movie.

I like to pretend The Matrix series ended with the first film. Heh.

I would forgive them the second movie if they'd picked up the ending of the second movie correctly in the third movie. When Neo discovers he has powers in the "real world" that should have been the signal that they hadn't actually broken out. That would have been awesome.

48 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:08:56pm

Where did the Dashboard go?

Anyway, I was looking for my two pages on Erickson and creationism I did a while back, which documented his denial of the importance of creationism to the GOP.

49 erik_t  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:12:03pm

re: #41 Lidane

The first movie was okay. I fell asleep in the theater during the second one. During the rave scene, at that. Never bothered to go watch it again, or with the third movie.

I like to pretend The Matrix series ended with the first film. Heh.

They made three, but fortunately Han shot the second and third with a blaster before Greedo could release them, so we need never know what horrors are contained therein.

50 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:13:05pm

I'm reminded of the "science" books linked to last night that are being used in LA, the ones that basically say "If you believe in evolution, then you're an idiot who can't understand/accept what's obvious to creationists." The one that said that it's "obvious" that the placement of fossils in the geologic record is because some sank while others floated during the Great Flood.

51 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:13:12pm

re: #48 freetoken

Where did the Dashboard go?

Anyway, I was looking for my two pages on Erickson and creationism I did a while back, which documented his denial of the importance of creationism to the GOP.

The link's in the pop-out menu in the upper right sign-in panel.

52 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:13:24pm

re: #48 freetoken

Where did the Dashboard go?

Anyway, I was looking for my two pages on Erickson and creationism I did a while back, which documented his denial of the importance of creationism to the GOP.

I think that creationism is important to the GOP/religious right because a large and old universe is completely incompatible with the kind of petty tyrant god they worship and want to inflict on everyone else.

53 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:14:20pm

I found them:

Fox News Poll on Creationism and Prayer - Legitimizing Delusions in American Politics?

Is Erick Erickson Ashamed of His Fellow Creationists?

In the latter one I reference an Erickson post where he tries to pretend that young earth creationism isn't a bit part of American creationist belief.

Again in today's quote, he tries to peddle that he as a creationist embraces the measured age of the earth as billions of years, ignoring the elephant in the room that many, most, creationists belief in a young earth.

54 erik_t  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:14:26pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

I'm reminded of the "science" books linked to last night that are being used in LA, the ones that basically say "If you believe in evolution, then you're an idiot who can't understand/accept what's obvious to creationists." The one that said that it's "obvious" that the placement of fossils in the geologic record is because some sank while others floated during the Great Flood.

What, when you make a stew your bones don't float?

/

55 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:14:48pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Thanks. I found it.

56 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:15:36pm

re: #53 freetoken

pimf "creationism isn't a bitg part of American..."

57 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:16:35pm

re: #4 Kragar

guest appearances in baked goods

lol

58 researchok  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:18:49pm

FT, saved this for you:

Reinventing Bach

59 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:20:26pm

young earth

i believe in a middle aged earth that's losing its hair and developing prostate problems

60 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:21:53pm

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

61 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:21:55pm

I don't see why those that support evolution and those that support creationism can't get along. The solution is so simple...

Compromise...

62 dragonath  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:22:38pm

I don't have much to say about Erickson, but here's another quote by Rubio that sums up his beliefs quite well. He said this at the RNC:

We are special because we've been united not by a common race or ethnicity. We're bound together by common values. That family is the most important institution in society. That almighty God is the source of all we have.

Special, because we've never made the mistake of believing that we are so smart that we can rely solely on our leaders or our government.

Our national motto is "In God we Trust," reminding us that faith in our Creator is the most important American value of all.

63 erik_t  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:22:52pm

re: #61 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I don't see why those that support evolution and those that support creationism can't get along. The solution is so simple...

Compromise...

I'm offended. Could you add a fig leaf?

64 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:24:46pm

Over the last year I've written some pages on "Adam and Eve" and the evangelical right in the country and their refusal to accept not only what anthropology previously had discovered but which now genetics is showing in fine detail: there never were just two humans.

I doubt if any CNN hosts (other than their resident Doctor-superstar) really understand the whole point about genetics. I wonder if Gupta would confront Erickson with the truth?

65 dragonath  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:25:33pm

re: #62 dragonath

More Rubio. This bit dovetails nicely with Erickson's "miracles":

We chose a special man to lead us in a special time.
We chose Mitt Romney to lead our nation.
And because we did, the American Miracle lived on for another generation to inherit."

Y U NO BELIEVE IN MIRACLES

66 3eff Jeff  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:26:34pm

re: #64 freetoken

I'm also enjoying the we interbred with Neanderthals evidence that's coming out too. (I almost certainly have some Neanderthal genes due to my ethnicity.)

67 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:27:34pm

re: #66 3eff Jeff

I'm also enjoying the we interbred with Neanderthals evidence that's coming out too. (I almost certainly have some Neanderthal genes due to my ethnicity.)

We interbred pretty much with anything that was compatible and willing to stay still long enough.

68 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:27:47pm

Gaza is noisy tonight. For the first time I'm seeing outgoing rocket fire.
[Link: 12160.info...]
On the occupied air link they're firing rockets from the street on the lower left

69 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:28:17pm

Here:

Adam, Eve, Human Genetics, and the Collapse of a Fundamentalist Worldview

Evangelical Evolutionists Meet, Little Progress Against Creationism and a Literal Adam, Conservatives Diss Science

Erickson just can't accept the field of biology called "genetics", just as he and his fellow creationists can't accept a whole lot of discoveries the past 200 years.

70 3eff Jeff  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:28:26pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

We interbred pretty much with anything that was compatible and willing to stay still long enough.

That is the long and the short of it. Speciation is messy.

71 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:33:50pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Gaza is noisy tonight. For the first time I'm seeing outgoing rocket fire.
[Link: 12160.info...]
On the occupied air link they're firing rockets from the street on the lower left

I think that's a misfired rocket burning off. The ambulance headed towards it, then backed off.

72 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:40:54pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

I think that's a misfired rocket burning off. The ambulance headed towards it, then backed off.

Fire spreading now, they hit a building.

73 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:42:52pm
The difference between the atheist and secular set on the left and even the right is that while they and I can think the Earth is billions of years old and they and I can think there was a big bang starting it all, we really do not know for sure and they absolutely do not know what came before the big bang. But I do.

The above is definitely one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Because science hasn't (yet) told us what came before the Big Bang (or if that's a question that even makes sense, since before/after is a function of time and we're talking about the beginning of time), we should reject the scientific worldview as flawed? Because science is a process of discovery instead of "revealed" knowledge, that's a problem with it?

"But I do". No. You. Do. Not. You think an old book is literally true for no other reason than you want it to be true. That's not proof to any sane person.

74 HypnoToad  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:45:53pm

Can I try some arguments?

Global warming does not cause sea level rise because if the globe is warming, it will expand, increasing its surface area and forcing the sea level to drop! No SL drop, no global warming.

If sea level rise IS observed, it must be caused by the land subsiding. This is happening because underground caverns are slowly collapsing after we pumped the oil out of them.
This can be confirmed by measuring the increase in the Earth's rotation rate due to conservation of angular momentum! Don't need Global Warming to explain this either!

Stronger storms recently? The faster spin of the Earth causes more Coriolis force, strengthening them! GW is FALSE!!!!!

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Its easy to string together semi plausible BS and feed it to the masses. If it comes from whom they perceive as a "Voice of Authority", they will swallow it. I tried an experiment a few years ago with one of my planetarium audiences. I spent five minutes giving them a totally bogus (actually medieval) explanation of what caused Comets. They accepted it without question. (I used it as an intro into why you should be skeptical about various claims from experts outside their field or in the media) I'm convinced that you can "sell" almost any idea or explanation to most of the general public without undue effort.

75 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 3:49:54pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

We interbred pretty much with anything that was compatible and willing to stay still long enough.

Ur doin' it rong

76 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:02:18pm

Just in case someone might accuse me of being full of shit here's some of the chat log (it's really hard to copy and paste from while scrolling)

he_amazon1 maybe that's why the responders backed off..
lizroberts70 Outbound rockets from that same area they said1 minute ago
lizroberts70 Outbound rockets from that same area they said
michellek1978
michellek1978 Terrorist gaza just sent off 2 rockets 30 seconds ago

That was a Palestinian rocket misfire that hit the house.

77 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:08:14pm

I'm at the point now where if Jesus the Spiritual Superman did exist, and he came back and took these people away, I think it would be a huge relief, and I would look forward to us filthy "left behind" types being free to progress without the book-shaped Shackles of Idiocy hanging on our minds.

You want J-man to come back so you can quit this earth? Good f*cking riddance. Leave me out of it.

78 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:20:06pm

This is pretty much the ranting of a man who has an incurable need to feel special. Which is the category a lot of these anti-evolution types fall into from where I stand. These folks just can and will not believe that they are just some random occurrence in the grand scheme of things. They can't be some insignificant spec in the grand scope of the universe. They're fucking special, and they're going to make sure you know it!

And, for good measure, he of course ends it with a typical "if you don't believe I'm special, then you're going to burn in hell!"

Carlin, of course, says it best.

Erick, son of Erick, is pretty much the guy in this joke:

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

79 Redshirts Lament  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:00:00pm

Yo, where's Lilith at?

80 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:17:23pm

If being a Christian doesn't make you kind and compassionate, what's the use? Unfortunately, when I think of people like Erickson, I don't think of Christ-likeness. They appear to lack empathy. Being anywhere with them for eternity would be hell.

81 Laughing Gas  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:51:55pm

This is something I'm believing more and more: For all the talk about how Obama lost the white vote, I think if you eliminated the creationist vote, Obama would have won the white vote in a landslide. There are just so many creationists in a supposedly modern industrial democracy as ours; no other country like ours has this high a concentration of religious fundamentalists.

82 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:19:46pm

One of my teaching duties this term is a Western Culture course for English majors. I'm in China, which has kept a tight lid on religion of all kinds for the past 60+ years. Some of my students have grandparents who are Christian or Buddhist, but the majority of the kids have no specific belief system.

So, I'm explaining the basic tenets of Christianity. God told Mary she was pregnant with his son, while remaining a virgin. His son grew up, did lots of amazing stuff, was arrested for sedition, executed, was buried, woke up and went to heaven. (I provided more details than that. This is the short version.)

Earlier, we had covered Judaism and the first two books of the OT. Creation in six days. Adam and Eve, the serpent, the forbidden fruit, the Flood, the Ark, Abraham nearly offing his son because God said so, etc.

"People actually believe all this?" asked one student in honest bewilderment.

I replied, yes, as difficult as it is to comprehend, some people actually believe all this stuff. But most gave up believing in the literal truth of the Bible hundreds of years ago.

Then, there's people like Erick son of Erick.

83 thecommodore  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 12:15:40am

Is this kind of bad craziness really a surprise when you cknsider that Erickson "stood by" a diarist's post on RedState that strongly suggested "mass bloodshed" would be necessary if Roe v Wade weren't overturned?
[Link: www.redstate.com...]

84 Peter Kaufman  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:24:15am

Faith is belief in something that can't be proven - e.g., existence of a soul, or Heaven, or even God..

Belief in things that have been proven to not be true, is craziness and/or idiocy.

85 tommy1733  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:42:51am

Belief is a choice - my experience tells me that people have a need to choose an ideological framework in which to live, and once you are settled into this, it is not hard to ignore other input that contradicts your ideal. I can choose to believe in a lot of things - indeed, my mind generates some kind of belief for everything that I don't have firsthand experience with. To me the bottom line is that beliefs are empty; they are not necessarily based on truth simply because someone believes them; in fact, the state of belief is used by the mind to fill in a reality when faced with unknowns.

86 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:05:48am

re: #85 tommy1733

Welcome, hatchling.


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