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1 Alexzander  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:55:46pm

Alternative accoustic track for this Tuesday:

K-OS : Sunday Morning

2 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:42:49pm

re: #1 Alexzander

Alternative accoustic track for this Tuesday:

K-OS : Sunday Morning

[Embedded content]

I miss Q101. It had some real authenticity.

3 austin_blue  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:46:34pm

Sweet. Love the percussive stuff on the body of his axe.

4 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:08:34pm

I did not kill this thread.

5 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:09:24pm

Horrible finger independence.
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Is that a Fishman pickup?

6 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:10:07pm

Where did everybody go?

Black Friday shopping on Tuesday?

7 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:10:11pm

let's talk about how bad conservatives are

8 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:10:24pm

re: #4 Dancing along the light of day

I did not kill this thread.

But did you shoot the deputy?

9 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:10:28pm

re: #4 Dancing along the light of day

I did not kill this thread.

You stomped all over it.

10 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:11:20pm

re: #7 SpaceJesus

let's talk about how bad conservatives are

Conservatives are bad. Very, very bad.

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11 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:11:48pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

booo republicans!

12 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:12:10pm

re: #9 Henchman 26

You stomped all over it.

In Big Stilettos!

13 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:12:11pm

re: #7 SpaceJesus

let's talk about how bad conservatives are

Let's talk about how bad Walmart is.

14 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:12:13pm

look what anderson cooper did today

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

15 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:12:50pm

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

walmart = conservative?

16 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:12:51pm

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

Let's talk about how bad Walmart is.

Think "assholes" is too kind a word at this point.

17 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:13:03pm

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

Where did everybody go?

Black Friday shopping on Tuesday?

No, thank goodness. But add Sears to the list of places not go on Friday alongside Target and Walmart. All of those places are opening at 8 or 9pm on Thanksgiving. So ignore their doorbusters and teach them to respect Thanksgiving as a holiday.

18 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:13:48pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

No, thank goodness. But add Sears to the list of places not go on Friday alongside Target and Walmart. All of those places are opening at 8 or 9pm on Thanksgiving. So ignore their doorbusters and teach them to respect Thanksgiving as a holiday.

I have spent the last 30 Black Fridays staying home and totally not shopping ANYWHERE.

19 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:14:19pm

Except this year I gotta work on Black Friday.

20 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:14:43pm

re: #18 Vicious Babushka

Amen! Or whatever the politically correct phrase is now!

21 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:15:13pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Conservatives are bad. Very, very bad.

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They're not bad, they're just drawn that way.

22 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:16:49pm

re: #18 Vicious Babushka

I have spent the last 30 Black Fridays staying home and totally not shopping ANYWHERE.

About ten years ago I made the best New Years Resolution ever. Simply no more new years resolutions.

23 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:17:39pm

re: #15 SpaceJesus

walmart = conservative?

I don't think so, They're one of the largest corporate donors to Center for American Progress who runs sites like Think Progress and Media Matters. I wonder what they think they're going to get in return for their contributions. It doesn't seem to be working out well for them.

24 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:18:01pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

No, thank goodness. But add Sears to the list of places not go on Friday alongside Target and Walmart. All of those places are opening at 8 or 9pm on Thanksgiving. So ignore their doorbusters and teach them to respect Thanksgiving as a holiday.

I've made it a tradition to limit my shopping experience on Black Friday to tuning into the 6pm news to watch the fighting, the screaming, and the whining.

25 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:18:06pm

re: #22 Daniel Ballard

About ten years ago I made the best New Years Resolution ever. Simply no more new years resolutions.

Same here.

Worked out great, except the gaining 50lbs.

26 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:19:09pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

I've made it a tradition to limit my shopping experience on Black Friday to tuning into the 6pm news to watch the fighting, the screaming, and the whining.

Maybe Jerry Springer should host a Black Friday Shoppers special.

27 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:19:45pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

interesting.

28 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:20:13pm

Just for the fun of it... New display name.

29 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:20:39pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I don't think so, They're one of the largest corporate donors to Center for American Progress who runs sites like Think Progress and Media Matters. I wonder what they think they're going to get in return for their contributions. It doesn't seem to be working out well for them.

Bzzzt.

Wal-Mart Heir Donates To Obama PAC, Defying Rest Of Billionaire Family

While the 44-year-old Sam is helping to re-elect the president, his relatives have been trying to kick Obama out of the White House. Jim Walton (Sam’s uncle) has donated $300,000 combined to Restore Our Future, a PAC that backs Mitt Romney, and Our Destiny, which supported former Republican candidate Jon Huntsman. Alice and Christy Walton (Sam’s aunts) gave $200,000 to Restore Our Future and $50,000 to Our Destiny, respectively.

30 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:21:06pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Maybe Jerry Springer should host a Black Friday Shoppers special.

Screw that, let's start up the Thunderdome. "Two shoppers enter, one shopper leaves!"

31 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:21:17pm

re: #28 Political Atheist

Just for the fun of it... New display name.

You atheists don't believe in anything.

32 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:21:37pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

Screw that, let's start up the Thunderdome. "Two shoppers enter, one shopper leaves!"

Gangnam style.

33 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:21:49pm

re: #31 Inconsequential Consequence

You atheists don't believe in anything.

I believe I'll have another glass of iced tea.

34 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:21:54pm

re: #29 Interesting Times

Bzzzt.

Wal-Mart Heir Donates To Obama PAC, Defying Rest Of Billionaire Family

Wow, 300K! What is that, like a minute's income?

35 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:22:50pm

re: #31 Inconsequential Consequence

You atheists don't believe in anything.

Yes we do. Skepticism.

36 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:23:54pm

re: #27 SpaceJesus

interesting.

I think so. So much of the "news", "issues" and outrageous outrages are fed to us by these funky think tanks with funding from creepy benefactors. Soros and Koch Bros make for great conspiracies but what do they get for their money and who's feeding us bullshit? I don;t know but it's a question worth asking.

37 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:24:25pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

Screw that, let's start up the Thunderdome. "Two shoppers enter, one shopper leaves!"

38 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:25:43pm

re: #27 SpaceJesus

interesting.

Not "interesting", wrong. See my #29 - most of the Walmart heirs support GOPers.

39 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:27:43pm

Loud as can be at my place right now

[Link: open.spotify.com...]

40 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:29:25pm

re: #28 Political Atheist

Just for the fun of it... New display name.

You want to know something funny? I was talking to Floral the other day about changing my nic..Pretty funny story..So thought of a man of all seasons for no reason, Never read the book or saw the movie.
Then I thought..OMG who is this guy? I need to Google this before it's too late. He could be a Russian spy or a perverted Priest, Or maybe 007 sitting in a casino with a tux. But I haven't googled it yet.. You wanna know why? What if he is a bad guy.. Then what? I still like the nic.

41 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:29:39pm

Center for American Progress

Wal-Mart is a major funder of the Center for American Progress, having given at least half a million dollars to the organization. [6] Wal-Mart has been a major backer of Pres Obama's health care legislation, which critics contend would disproportionately drive up costs for Wal-Mart's smaller competitors. [7]

42 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:30:02pm

re: #40 A Man for all Seasons

We define our nics over time.

At least around here we do...

43 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:32:00pm

This outrageous outrage has been brought to you from Walmart, exploiting Chinese child labor before Mitt and Bain.

44 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:32:28pm

re: #38 Interesting Times

I had just never heard of the American Progress donations before

45 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:32:59pm

The Ken Burns documentary on the dust bowl is pretty cool. Worth watching.

46 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:33:12pm

re: #42 Political Atheist

We define our nics over time

Yes.. Like the time needed for fans to forgive Dylan from going from Folk to Rock music.
:)

47 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:35:08pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The Ken Burns documentary on the dust bowl is pretty cool. Worth watching.

It was good.. Lot of talk about the dust bowl here in Oklahoma the last few years. Who controls the water is a huge political issue here.

48 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:36:09pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I don't think so, They're one of the largest corporate donors to Center for American Progress who runs sites like Think Progress and Media Matters. I wonder what they think they're going to get in return for their contributions. It doesn't seem to be working out well for them.

They should spend more time contributing to their workers' wages and economic conditions.

Walmart doesn't hire anyone outside of management to full-time positions. They barely pay their workers, and deliberately work them under the minimum hours where they'd have to pay any benefits. They also randomize schedules so people don't know from one week to the next what their schedules are going to be, making second jobs, or school, or vocational training impossible.

Also, raises are ludicrously small and set in stone no matter how far above and beyond your job description that you go, and the top salaries are capped regardless of seniority or performance. As a result, Walmart employees go on public assistance at a very high rate.

49 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:39:02pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Center for American Progress

Let the Moonbat head explosions begin!

50 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:39:20pm

There is a documentary on Beavers on Netflix that is currently blowing my mind

51 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:40:13pm

re: #44 SpaceJesus

I had just never heard of the American Progress donations before

True, and there's also the distinction between Walmart corporate donations vs. donations from the Walton heirs.

Then again, corporate Walmart donating to CAP might be a backdoor attempt to get them to tone down any criticism (much the same way I suspect fossil fuel companies sponsor news programs for hint-hint-cut-down-your-climate-coverage reasons)

52 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:40:26pm

re: #50 SpaceJesus

There is a documentary on Beavers on Netflix that is currently blowing my mind

You're weird, SpaceJesus.

53 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:44:27pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

You're weird, SpaceJesus.

We're all weird here, each in our own special way.

54 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:44:57pm

re: #50 SpaceJesus

How much are the beavers donating to the Center for American Progress?

55 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:44:57pm

Hey Killgore! I should let you know that Stalker 'Briareus' and the rest of the "Diary of Dorkus" crew have decided that you were to blame for a number of racist comments left on Ace of spade on Saturday night. So you may be looking some blogstalking from those assholes. It's not too serious, but I try to warn people when they fixate on one of us.

56 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:45:01pm

re: #50 SpaceJesus

There is a documentary on Beavers on Netflix that is currently blowing my mind

Ken Burns does nice work but I'm more of a Russ Meyers fan

57 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:46:29pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

Hey Killgore! I should let you know that Stalker 'Briareus' and the rest of the "Diary of Dorkus" crew have decided that you were to blame for a number of racist comments left on Ace of spade on Saturday night. So you may be looking some blogstalking from those assholes. It's not too serious, but I try to warn people when they fixate on one of us.

Meh, I haven't looked at Ace or thought of that blog in 10 months or so. It wasn't me.

58 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:47:39pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Meh, I haven't looked at Ace or thought of that blog in 10 months or so. It wasn't me.

I thought not. I just wanted to give you a heads up. I figured it was just the haters hating and denying reality in their normal fashion.

59 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:49:02pm

Yes x a billion:

American College of OB/GYNs Says Birth Control Should Be Sold Over the Counter

It would be worth it just to watch the wingnut head explosions over birth control being sold OTC.

60 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:51:54pm

re: #59 Lidane

Yes x a billion:

American College of OB/GYNs Says Birth Control Should Be Sold Over the Counter

It would be worth it just to watch the wingnut head explosions over birth control being sold OTC.

Come now, these are highly specialized drugs, we can't have women just buying them without a doctor's prescription! What next, selling antihistamines over the counter?!

61 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:56:44pm

Goddamnit. One of my cousins in Mexico is derping about Gaza, posting bloody photos on his FB. The one he just put up has some kid with his leg blown off.

I really didn't need to see that while I'm eating. And I'm not in the mood to deal with that tonight. I've got the next three days off for Thanksgiving. I'd rather have a relaxing night.

62 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:59:05pm

Good news today. My hurricane refugees from New Jersey found a new place to rent and moved in today. They're picking up the dog tomorrow from the farm where she has been boarded the last few weeks. And there will a celebratory Thanksgiving dinner at the new digs on Thursday.

Still some possessions of theirs about - especially some toys and stuff of their young daughter's. The Feline Overlord has noticed that he has regained control of the den!

Image: I_haz_moos_n_squirl_2.jpg

63 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:00:40pm

re: #61 Lidane

Goddamnit. One of my cousins in Mexico is derping about Gaza, posting bloody photos on his FB. The one he just put up has some kid with his leg blown off.

I really didn't need to see that while I'm eating. And I'm not in the mood to deal with that tonight. I've got the next three days off for Thanksgiving. I'd rather have a relaxing night.

Yeah, it's a sign of how weird that I am that I almost suggested Minecraft as a good way to relax.

64 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:01:00pm

Just did the Mike Malloy podcast show, with Brad Friedman hosting, but I think the only way to hear it is with their "premium" version.

65 dragonath  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:02:48pm

re: #59 Lidane

Yes x a billion:

American College of OB/GYNs Says Birth Control Should Be Sold Over the Counter

I wonder how many radio listeners actually think that's a real college.

SOUNDS LIKE A LIBERAL INSTITUTION

66 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:03:15pm

re: #62 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Speaking of which, I just completed a little map on it:

Here.

67 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:03:23pm

re: #59 Lidane

Yes x a billion:

American College of OB/GYNs Says Birth Control Should Be Sold Over the Counter

It would be worth it just to watch the wingnut head explosions over birth control being sold OTC.

Sell birth control over the counter to 18 and over, and only sell pseudoephedrines with a prescription. That would be a good pair of decisions.

68 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:05:26pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

Sell birth control over the counter to 18 and over, and only sell pseudoephedrines with a prescription. That would be a good pair of decisions.

Do condoms have an age restriction? If not, then no. I wouldn't support singling out birth control pills for an 18+ age restriction.

69 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:06:46pm

re: #66 ProGunLiberal

Something on Libya from yesterday:

November 19, 2012: The government admits that it has not yet arrested anyone responsible for the September 11th attack in Benghazi that killed the American ambassador. Some suspects are known but remain unquestioned by the security forces. Despite popular protests after the attack that drove some Islamic terrorists from the city, those responsible for killing the ambassador are protected by powerful Islamic radical militias and the Libyan government has more pressing problems with feuding pro-government militias and armed anti-government groups (mostly supporters of the late dictator Kaddafi). Meanwhile a team of American special operations troops are recruiting Libyans to be part of a government counter-terrorism commando force. The Arabic speaking Americans will select and train several hundred suitable candidates. It’s unclear if the training will take place in Libya or somewhere else. The government needs some way to deal with a possible coup attempt by Islamic radicals. These groups, which include some al Qaeda affiliates are angry and mystified at not receiving a majority of the votes in recent elections. They blame America and Israel and, as usual, accuse Libyans who oppose them of not being proper Moslems. This could get ugly and most Libyans know it.

The government is still dealing with about 100,000 internal refugees, driven from their homes by factional fighting. Some 40 percent of the refugees are from Bani Walid, the last town to openly support Kaddafi. Bani Walid was taken by pro-government militias late last month and is still a lawless and dangerous place. Anti-Kaddafi militiamen still roam the town looking for Kaddafi supporters and stuff to steal. This West Libyan town (170 kilometers southeast of Tripoli) originally had a population of about 100,000. This town was always pro-Kaddafi and the last refuge of pro-Kaddafi militias (who had been misbehaving even after the Kaddafi government was overthrown last year). There are still some small groups of armed Kaddafi supporters around Bani Walid and the unrest down there is expected to last for a while, although this chaos should be gone by the end of the year. This may change if some of the other pro-Kaddafi towns in the interior try to defy the new government.

70 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:07:53pm

re: #47 A Man for all Seasons

It was good.. Lot of talk about the dust bowl here in Oklahoma the last few years. Who controls the water is a huge political issue here.

Giggles, it is here too! Mullholland!

71 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:08:04pm

re: #68 Lidane

Do condoms have an age restriction? If not, then no. I wouldn't support singling out birth control pills for an 18+ age restriction.

Medications are more dangerous than condoms, and I don't think those under 18 should be able to purchase such things without parental approval.

72 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:08:26pm

re: #50 SpaceJesus

There is a documentary on Beavers on Netflix that is currently blowing my mind

That is just begging for a naughty comment!

73 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:09:30pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

Libya should not have to deal with that shit.

Leave the Radicals to us and our drones. We ask for help in pointing out the people, and we take care of the rest.

As for Bani Walid, they kinda asked for it. We just need to support the new government to the hilt.

74 allegro  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:10:00pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Medications are more dangerous than condoms, and I don't think those under 18 should be able to purchase such things without parental approval.

Physicians have determined that hormonal birth control is safe and therefore should be available upon demand OTC. Why do you think young women should require parental approval?

75 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:10:11pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Medications are more dangerous than condoms, and I don't think those under 18 should be able to purchase such things without parental approval.

Except that if they're safe enough to sell OTC, age restrictions shouldn't be a factor.

Plus, placing an age restriction on birth control pills and not condoms unfairly impacts teen girls. It's an undue burden on them for no reason.

76 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:11:30pm

re: #73 ProGunLiberal

Libya should not have to deal with that shit.

Leave the Radicals to us and our drones. We ask for help in pointing out the people, and we take care of the rest.

As for Bani Walid, they kinda asked for it. We just need to support the new government to the hilt.

The problem is that too many Libyans don't like having another nations armed aircraft patrolling their skies, they see it as humiliating (and I understand why they feel that way).

78 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:13:47pm
79 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:14:09pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

True. We should ask Libya if they would be willing to have us help. We got help during and after our revolution, this would just be giving the same favor to another fledgling government.

I, on the other hand, don't see the humiliation. We all need help from time to time. Katrina showed us that.

80 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:15:23pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

One commenter laments :

Asking a politician, "How old do you think the Earth is?" is a real science question?

Um ... yes.

81 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:16:39pm

re: #80 freetoken

This word, "science," it does not mean what they think it means...

82 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:17:12pm

re: #68 Lidane

Do condoms have an age restriction? If not, then no. I wouldn't support singling out birth control pills for an 18+ age restriction.

I would agree with this but then, I'd also like to make HPV part of the required vaccines before any child (male or female) enters 6th grade.

83 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:17:40pm

I also think that Libya's militia problem is part due to what I'm going to call "Henry Hill Syndrome", Henry Hill being Ray Liotta's character in Goodfellas. By this I mean that the militias don't want to disband because being an armed warband makes they powerful and important. For them to turn in their heavy weapons, disband and go home would in their minds leave them with Hill's final lines of the movie:

"I'm an average nobody. I get to live the rest of my life like a schnook."

84 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:18:08pm

The "color reference" is the term "Bronze Age." That makes the post racist.

I'd like to take this opportunity to say lol.

85 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:18:12pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

And if Libya thinks that is too risky for civilians, we could use Special Operations, or similar.

Essentially, we need to have a list of people who did the attack, hunt them down, and dispose of them.

86 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:19:30pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

The "color reference" is the term "Bronze Age." That makes the post racist.

I'd like to take this opportunity to say lol.

Since when has "bronze" been a racist term towards Latinos?

87 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:20:24pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

Only since fundies got defensive...

88 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:20:36pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

The "color reference" is the term "Bronze Age." That makes the post racist.

I'd like to take this opportunity to say lol.

What do you expect from morons who think the world is literally 7000 years old? These cretins either think The Flintstones was a documentary or that dinosaurs were a holy hoax to test their faith.

89 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:25:17pm

Since creationism is on the front burner today, here's a UPI story out tonight that has Jeb Bush jumping on the bandwagon:

Rubio comment stirs creationism pot

[...]

During an interview Tuesday on CNN, Jeb Bush Jr. -- son of Republican former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush -- said the question was "strange" and Rubio's response was "kind of a head-scratching type of answer."

He said the Republican Party needs to be "a kind of pro-science and pro-technology party. And I think Marco Rubio is just that."

"The party's been pushed in this area of kind of anti-science and anti-technology and I don't think that's true. We're a young and dynamic party.

"But we also can't forget about our traditional values, things like faith and family," Bush said. "And Senator Rubio certainly represents that."

What can we say at this point?

The GOP is somewhere in the gulf between denial and duplicity.

90 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:26:25pm

re: #82 William Barnett-Lewis

I would agree with this but then, I'd also like to make HPV part of the required vaccines before any child (male or female) enters 6th grade.

So would I. The only thing I've ever credited Rick Perry for was mandating the HPV vaccine for school age girls. I didn't give a damn why he did it, only that it was the right choice. Shame he caved to the Neanderthals on the far right about it.

91 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:26:55pm

re: #89 freetoken

Since creationism is on the front burner today, here's a UPI story out tonight that has Jeb Bush jumping on the bandwagon:

Rubio comment stirs creationism pot

What can we say at this point?

The GOP is somewhere in the gulf between denial and duplicity.

Pretty much. They want to claim they're all for science and technology, but at the same time want to undermine it by arguing that scientists are idiots who can't understand what people of faith see as obvious.

92 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:30:22pm

re: #89 freetoken

What can we say at this point?

The GOP is somewhere in the gulf between denial and duplicity.

It's both, actually.

The true believers and religious fanatics are in denial and the cynical power brokers in the party use duplicity to keep them in line.

93 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:32:26pm

GOP politicians are so afraid of losing the fundamentalist vote that those politicians are now reduced to completely removing any substance from their public discussions of anything to do with modernity. All they have left are general platitudes of "Faith" and "Family".

94 allegro  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:33:58pm

re: #89 freetoken

We're a young and dynamic party.

Uh, no.

95 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:35:00pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

The "color reference" is the term "Bronze Age." That makes the post racist.

I'd like to take this opportunity to say lol.

it's a dog whistle phrase insulting to boehner and all other american citizens of the over-tanned persuasion

96 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:35:15pm

For decades, the Republican Party and the religious right have been engaged in a determined effort to build a separate Christian fundamentalist subculture in America.

97 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:36:15pm

re: #85 ProGunLiberal

And if Libya thinks that is too risky for civilians, we could use Special Operations, or similar.

Essentially, we need to have a list of people who did the attack, hunt them down, and dispose of them.

The problem is that they're more committed than much of the force loyal to the government. Libya is also wary of America, as we'll eventually stop paying such close attention to matters there,and they fear that will happen before they complete the years-long process of rooting out the Salafists.

98 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:37:02pm

They're building a power base of the deliberately ignorant.

99 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:38:23pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

They're building a power base of the deliberately ignorant.

Because at this point, that's the only people who believe their bullshit anymore.

100 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:39:12pm

I'm reminded of their reach every time I see an ad for Liberty University at LGF. Most people really have no idea how powerful and pervasive the religious right has become.

101 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:39:53pm

diet dinner:

450g greek yoghurt, vanilla

330 calories
45g protein

102 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:40:33pm

Since this is America, there's always more creationism in the news!


A full-size Noah's Ark will be built in Kentucky biblical park

Mike Zovath doesn't think it's going to rain for 40 days and 40 nights anytime soon.

But like Noah in the Old Testament, he still plans to build an ark.

And it's to be big. Five hundred and fifty feet long, 85 feet wide and 51 feet high.

"It's really only been done once before," he said. "We are scratching our heads to figure out how Noah did it."

Zovath, vice president of Answers in Genesis, a Hebron, Ky.-based Christian nonprofit, is in charge of the $50 million Ark Encounter project. He says he's having the time of his life with it.

[...]

The debate over whether the story is true will likely continue long after the Ark Encounter project is done.

[...]

Yes, yes it is over. The debate has been over for a long time. There was no global deluge for 40 days and 40 nights which covered all the land.

That TV journalists still think there is a "debate" about this tells us the state of America. The only "debate" going on is in the literalists' mind, between whether they will educate themselves about what has been discovered the past 200 years, or whether they will continue to tune it out.

103 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:42:39pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

They're building a power base of the deliberately ignorant.

my father was a courtroom lawyer. he taught me that when picking a jury, you should avoid well educated and intelligent people because they are much harder to persuade than poorly educated or dumb people

104 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:43:23pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I don't think so, They're one of the largest corporate donors to Center for American Progress who runs sites like Think Progress and Media Matters. I wonder what they think they're going to get in return for their contributions. It doesn't seem to be working out well for them.

They got the inheritance tax suspension extended.

105 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:43:40pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I'm reminded of their reach every time I see an ad for Liberty University at LGF. Most people really have no idea how powerful and pervasive the religious right has become.

Yep. But keep taking their money because this is one place they'll get no bites :)

106 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:44:13pm

BTW, the Erickson lament about those evil leftists using evolution to beat up on God-fearing conservatives is getting some play, from Salon to Discover Magazine.

Eric son of Erick fails to appreciate that every time he whines that the evil leftists are taking his Bible-truth away that he appears to most of the modern world to just be inching farther and farther out on the limb of looney.

107 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:45:02pm

re: #106 freetoken

BTW, the Erickson lament about those evil leftists using evolution to beat up on God-fearing conservatives is getting some play, from Salon to Discover Magazine.

Eric son of Erick fails to appreciate that every time he whines that the evil leftists are taking his Bible-truth away that he appears to most of the modern world to just be inching farther and farther out on the limb of looney.

i guess it pays the bills

108 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:45:47pm

re: #106 freetoken

Thus, Rubio is a looney.

109 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:47:31pm

Benghazi: The Sequel

110 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:48:39pm

re: #106 freetoken

BTW, the Erickson lament about those evil leftists using evolution to beat up on God-fearing conservatives is getting some play, from Salon to Discover Magazine.

Eric son of Erick fails to appreciate that every time he whines that the evil leftists are taking his Bible-truth away that he appears to most of the modern world to just be inching farther and farther out on the limb of looney.

He also fails to understand just what a big chunk of us there are who do believe & think he's full of bovine based organic fertilizer. I can pick up any of a dozen bibles in the room I'm in as well as a hundred science texts on everything from paleontology to optics to chemistry to metallurgy to the calculus to socialist economic theory...

111 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:49:04pm

re: #107 engineer cat

Publications always need something about which to write, but in this case the topic being raised is becoming a litmus test for the politics of America.

Several of the state GOP platforms explicitly are theocratic in nature.

GOP darlings and frontrunners, like Rubio and Jeb Bush, will not dare to offend the fundamentalists, and thus are intentionally self-blind to the intrusion of theocratic thinking into the GOP.

112 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:49:26pm

i don't think rubio will have much impact in '16 for this reason:

his personality is very wide of the mark in the matter of sounding and acting like a Commander In Chief

113 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:51:12pm

re: #109 Four More Tears

114 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:52:26pm

re: #113 Obdicut

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HOW DID WE NOT SEE THIS COMING?!

115 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:53:43pm

re: #112 engineer cat

i don't think rubio will have much impact in '16 for this reason:

his personality is very wide of the mark in the matter of sounding and acting like a Commander In Chief

And yet some said the same thing about Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

116 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:54:09pm

re: #111 freetoken

Publications always need something about which to write, but in this case the topic being raised is becoming a litmus test for the politics of America.

Several of the state GOP platforms explicitly are theocratic in nature.

GOP darlings and frontrunners, like Rubio and Jeb Bush, will not dare to offend the fundamentalists, and thus are intentionally self-blind to the intrusion of theocratic thinking into the GOP.

Rubio will go nowhere because the teabaggers have already decided to throw him under their bus to advance the birther agenda. Jeb has a better chance in primary land but he'll still face the problem of Mittens - you have to go so far into freakazoid right wing land to win the primaries that you can not get anywhere near the center in time for the general election. Plus not enough time has passed since W. He would pay harshly for W.

117 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:55:10pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

Obama's probably watching this, RIGHT NOW!!!

118 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:55:16pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

For decades, the Republican Party and the religious right have been engaged in a determined effort to build a separate Christian fundamentalist subculture in America.

One small detail I disagree with you on here. They are not simply trying to build a separate Christian subculture, they want to instill it into every level of government, media, and education in the United States. This has been their stated goal since R.J. Rushdoony and Gary North started the Dominionist/Christian Reconstructionism movement - and had been nationally implemented by Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority and Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition movements, as well as by the Leadership Institute starting in the late 80s/early 90s.

The current crop of far-right religious organizations are merely the product of what they started.

119 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:57:32pm

re: #116 William Barnett-Lewis

Rubio will go nowhere because the teabaggers have already decided to throw him under their bus to advance the birther agenda. Jeb has a better chance in primary land but he'll still face the problem of Mittens - you have to go so far into freakazoid right wing land to win the primaries that you can not get anywhere near the center in time for the general election. Plus not enough time has passed since W. He would pay harshly for W.

How would Rubio by harmed within the GOP by birtherism?

120 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:59:29pm

To continue, I'll say this again.

I believe the 2016 GOP ticket will be Santorum/Huckabee. Santorum is the annointed one as they have done for every election since 1976. The party will ensure he's the nominee. Huck will be Veep as a way to try and put a smiley face on their theocratic anti-american hatred.

The real question is, when they lose - and they will, will we then be looking at what the Falangists did in Spain when they could not win at the ballot box? Right now, they can still say Mittens wasn't "conservative" enough. But Mr. "God, Nation, Family" himself? I only wonder how big a percentage of the nation they'd be willing to kill to protect their illusions.

121 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:00:10pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

How would Rubio by harmed within the GOP by birtherism?

The TPer's have said he's not a natural born citizen.

122 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:00:33pm

re: #116 William Barnett-Lewis

Jeb Bush will not be the nominee (for the very reason you stated.)

I highly doubt Rubio will be the nominee, 2016 anyway. There are too many in line in front of him, and his alleged softness on immigration will hurt him.

We know at least half of the short list for 2016.

Immediately after the 2008 when we discussed possible GOP candidates for 2012 some here (now mostly gone) pooh-poohed the idea and thought that I was being premature. But in the end it was indeed the obvious - Mitt Romney - who got the nod.

123 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:01:42pm

re: #121 William Barnett-Lewis

The TPer's have said he's not a natural born citizen.

He was born in the US to parents who were here legally. How can he be anything else?

124 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:03:42pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

He was born in the US to parents who were here legally. How can he be anything else?

DF, I never said it made sense but that's what they were saying during the VP discussions. I'll see if I can find a linky.

125 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:03:50pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

How would Rubio by harmed within the GOP by birtherism?

Because they don't think he's a natural born citizen, and that should he be nominated their entire argument against Obama undermined by the GOP itself. It's the same reason Romney didn't name him VP, the GOP feels they need the support of the birthers to win.

126 allegro  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:03:54pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

He was born in the US to parents who were here legally. How can he be anything else?

He's got that whiff of off-white about him. It will never do.

127 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:05:59pm

Andrade's resignation follows controversy over an effort overseen by her office to remove dead voters from the rolls ahead of the presidential election, in which many voters who were still very much alive got letters targeting them as potentially deceased.

128 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:07:02pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

How would Rubio by harmed within the GOP by birtherism?

There are those in the movement who believe that Rubio wasn't born in the United States, and because he is viewed by some as a more moderate GOP member, the ideological purists don't think he should be in office.

Compare this stand with Tea Party favorite Ted Cruz (recently-elected US Senator from Texas). Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban father (whose own personal history is, in a word, shady) and an American mother. Because he is about as Tea-Party crazy as you can get, they actually are going as far as trying to draft him into the 2016 Presidential campaign, even though he is Constitutionally disqualified from doing so.

129 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:07:19pm

A police source tells CBS News correspondent Fazul Rahim that at least two people were killed when a suicide bomber detonated on the heavily guarded diplomatic enclave of the Wazir Akbar Khan neighborhood Wednesday morning.

130 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:07:52pm

re: #129 jaunte

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Yes, but was one of them an ambassador?

131 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:08:12pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

He was born in the US to parents who were here legally. How can he be anything else?

Your job is to convince the birthers, who feel that Barak Obama Sr.'s lack of citizenship invalidates his son's presidency.

132 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:11:54pm

About Rubio, the paleo-conservatives are quite clear that real Americans are "white" and have made no bones about it.

Oh look, PaleoPat's latest column has the title:

Mitt Wasn’t All Wrong About “Gifts”

[...]

But Mitt also has a point.

Consider America’s largest, fastest-growing minority.

Hispanics constituted 10 percent of the electorate, up from 7.5 in 2008. But Mitt got only 27 percent of that, the lowest of any Republican presidential candidate.

This, we are told, was because of Mitt’s comment about “self-deportation” and GOP support for a border fence and sanctions on employers who hire illegals. If only we embrace the Dream Act and provide a path to citizenship — amnesty — the GOP’s problem is solved.

The Republican capacity for self-delusion is truly awesome.

Set aside the idealized Hispanic of the Republican consultants’ vision. What does the real Hispanic community look like today?

Let us consider only native-born Hispanics, U.S. citizens.

According to Steve Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies, which analyzed Census Bureau statistics from 2012:

— More than one in five Hispanic citizens lives in poverty.

— One in four Hispanic-American men 25 to 55 is out of work.

— More than half of all Hispanic women 25-55 are unmarried.

— Half of all Hispanic households with children are headed by an unmarried woman, and 55 percent depend on welfare programs.

These numbers do not improve with time, as they did with the Irish, Italian, Polish, Jewish and German immigrants who poured into the United States between 1890 and 1920. Third-generation Hispanics do worse than second-generation Hispanics in all the above categories.

This is a huge community being sucked into the morass of a mammoth welfare state. Consider a typical Hispanic household with children.

[...]

There, he said it. PaleoPat is looking at native born hispanics - and that includes Rubio - and concludes that they are indeed exactly what Mitt called them - gift seekers.

133 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:12:29pm

A foolish woman mocks Arlington National Cemetery:

A photo of a Massachusetts woman flashing her middle finger at Arlington National Cemetery has sparked widespread disgust across the web and prompted an online petition to get the woman fired from her job.

Lindsey Stone posted the picture of herself making the obscene gesture at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, next to a sign at the military cemetery that asks for 'Silence and Respect,' in October and the snapshot quickly went viral.

An unidentified Facebook user created a page called 'Fire Lindsey Stone' on Monday, alerting her employer to the outrageous behavior and garnering support to get the woman sacked for her disrespect.

134 darthstar  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:13:19pm

Back from five days in Sayulita...needless to say, I had a great fucking time. Got to surf with my wife for the first time (no, that's not what we're calling it these days) as she just completed a full week of surf camp before I joined her, and we spent three of four days surfing together...good fun.

So, what's been going on here? Never mind...I'll catch up tomorrow. Headed for bed soon...I'm knackered.

135 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:14:28pm

re: #132 freetoken

Fuck Pat Buchanan.

136 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:16:17pm

Fire Water Burn

137 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:17:00pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

Something that should be on no one's bucket list.

138 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:22:03pm

Speaking of creationism and America, last night on DWTS All Star season (which of course is redundant but that's never stopped them before...) one couple had to dance a Hustle built around the artistic theme of a "caveman"... and you know what they put up for graphics in support of the routine?

A dinosaur (a cartoon version of a T-Rex.)

Because it's obvious that dinosaurs and humans lived together, isn't it?

139 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:24:31pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

How would Rubio by harmed within the GOP by birtherism?

Ask Jerome Corsi:

RUBIO AUTOBIOGRAPHY PROVES HE'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR VP? (Google cache link)

140 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:24:53pm

re: #138 freetoken

Speaking of creationism and America, last night on DWTS All Star season (which of course is redundant but that's never stopped them before...) one couple had to dance a Hustle built around the artistic theme of a "caveman"... and you know what they put up for graphics in support of the routine?

A dinosaur (a cartoon version of a T-Rex.)

Because it's obvious that dinosaurs and humans lived together, isn't it?

141 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:26:37pm

re: #138 freetoken

Speaking of creationism and America, last night on DWTS All Star season (which of course is redundant but that's never stopped them before...) one couple had to dance a Hustle built around the artistic theme of a "caveman"... and you know what they put up for graphics in support of the routine?

A dinosaur (a cartoon version of a T-Rex.)

Because it's obvious that dinosaurs and humans lived together, isn't it?

Um...

You watch DWTS?

...

142 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:28:23pm

re: #141 Four More Tears

Um...

You watch DWTS?

...

He also follows celebrity gossip.

143 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:30:03pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

He also follows celebrity gossip.

Yes. And he constantly mocks it. And I thought I was a masochist.

144 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:30:05pm

re: #138 freetoken

Speaking of creationism and America, last night on DWTS All Star season (which of course is redundant but that's never stopped them before...) one couple had to dance a Hustle built around the artistic theme of a "caveman"... and you know what they put up for graphics in support of the routine?

A dinosaur (a cartoon version of a T-Rex.)

Because it's obvious that dinosaurs and humans lived together, isn't it?

I'm willing to give them a bit of a pass on this, as that sort of cartoon depiction isn't exactly new.

145 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:33:50pm

re: #144 RadicalModerate

I'm willing to give them a bit of a pass on this, as that sort of cartoon depiction isn't exactly new.

Just so. Provided you don't take it seriously, there's no harm in it.

146 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:36:04pm

re: #144 RadicalModerate

Those axles are unsustainable.

147 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:38:00pm

re: #146 jaunte

Those axles are unsustainable.

Get a haircut and stop hugging trees, hippie!

148 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:39:13pm

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

Strictly from an engineering point of view!

149 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:41:11pm

India executes last gunman from Mumbai attacks

India on Wednesday executed Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, the last surviving gunman from the 2008 terrorist attacks in Mumbai, a government official said.

Kasab, a Pakistani, was hanged at Yerwada Jail in Pune, a city southeast of Mumbai, said K.S. Dhatwalia, a spokesman for the Indian home ministry.

The execution took place after Kasab's last attempt to avoid the death penalty, a clemency petition, was rejected earlier this month by President Shri Pranab Mukherjee.

Kasab was one of 10 heavily armed men who in November 2008 attacked landmarks around Mumbai, including high-end hotels, the city's historic Victoria Terminus train station and the Jewish cultural center Chabad House.

He was photographed holding an assault weapon during the three days of violence, which left more than 160 people dead. Indian forces killed the nine other suspects.

A Mumbai court sentenced Kasab to death in 2010 after he was convicted of murder, conspiracy and waging war on India.

He pursued the appeals process through the Indian court system, but the Supreme Court in August upheld his conviction and death sentence.

Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish.

150 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:41:45pm

"Everything You Know Is Wrong!"

Ron Paul: Secession "deeply American"

Paul argues that secession, far from being treasonous, must be seen as a final safeguard against an unduly transgressive central government: "In a free country, governments derive their power from the consent of the governed. When the people have very clearly withdrawn their consent for a law, the discussion should be over. If the Feds refuse to accept that and continue to run roughshod over the people, at what point do we acknowledge that that is not freedom anymore? At what point should the people dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an increasingly tyrannical and oppressive federal government?"

That's it. I'm done with this so-called Homeowners Association!

151 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:43:17pm

re: #150 jaunte

"Everything You Know Is Wrong!"

Ron Paul: Secession "deeply American"

152 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:43:41pm

re: #150 jaunte

"Everything You Know Is Wrong!"

Ron Paul: Secession "deeply American"

No, Laup Nor, Secession is deeply Confederate. And we schooled you in that once upon a time.

Perhaps it's time for zombie Sherman???

153 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:44:17pm

Wombats ~ Jump Into The Fog

154 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:44:57pm

re: #152 William Barnett-Lewis

No, Laup Nor, Secession is deeply Confederate. And we schooled you in that once upon a time.

Perhaps it's time for zombie Sherman???

155 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:45:36pm

To publicly espouse the creatonist superstition is to resign from the modern world. It is a repudiation of our ancestors' million year struggle for knowledge and understanding of the world around them. It dishonors their memory and denies the very thing that makes us human, our power to reason. It is an insult not just to the hard work and dedication that have gone into gaining scientific knowledge over the centuries, but to the very real sacrifices involved as well. People have died to bring us our knowledge of nature and the physical world and some still do from time to time.
Hundreds of millenia ago, some proto-human looked up from the plains of Africa, saw the Moon, and wondered what it truly was. Today, I can answer that ancestor's question, for I have held a piece of the Moon in my own hand.
It is a connection to our remotest roots, a fulfillment of our deepest longing, a triumph for the ages. Yet there are other humans who would sell this heritage for the most transitory and tawdry of political and material gains. Shame on them and may their weakness and ignorance be consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs.

156 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:49:49pm

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel

Is truth. But these are the same scum that would bulldoze LC-39 and pretend it never existed because it threatens their fantasies.

Feh.

157 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:51:17pm

re: #141 Four More Tears

Um...

You watch DWTS?

...

I prefer the BBC original version (still going strong over there) "Strictly Come Dancing" because it emphasizes proper partner dancing more strongly, compared to the American version of DWTS, which is all about, well, I'm not quite sure anymore. Oh, it's all about getting viewers, and DWTS does it better than almost any other show, but the content is becoming less and less about partner dancing.

158 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:54:44pm

re: #156 William Barnett-Lewis

Is truth. But these are the same scum that would bulldoze LC-39 and pretend it never existed because it threatens their fantasies.

Feh.

The launch site in Florida?

159 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:01:55pm

Thinking about it a bit more, I propose that DWTS is filling the role of the old "variety show" from the 60's and 70's, and does it better than its competition in this area (American Idol and the rest.)

The partner dancing takes up a minority of the time, and even that is not done "strictly" according to definitions of dance styles and rules. Most of the time is taken up by speaking and by music, including first run musical acts on the Tuesday night ("results") show. The Tuesday show guest line up is what Dean Martin would have on, if he were still alive and doing a variety show like he did in the 70's.

160 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:04:17pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

The launch site in Florida?

Yes.

Julia Ecklar
"Legends" lyrics

Once upon a time,
You could hear the Saturn's roar
As it rose upon it's fiery tail to space.
And once upon a time, the men that we sent out
Landed in a strange and alien place.
And as I watched them walk upon the Moon,
I remembered Icarus,
Who flew too close to the Sun.

Once upon a time, they tore the gantries down
And the rockets flew no longer to the Moon.
And once upon a time,
We swore that we'd return,
But it doesn't look like we'll be back there soon

And as the Moon shines down
On the shattered launching ground,
I remember Apollo,
Who flew the chariot of the Sun.
And I wonder of the legends they will tell
A thousand years from now.

161 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:10:32pm

re: #160 William Barnett-Lewis

Rather Saudi to destroy such things, I'd say.

Good Night, All.

162 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:13:25pm

re: #152 William Barnett-Lewis

No, Laup Nor, Secession is deeply Confederate. And we schooled you in that once upon a time.

Perhaps it's time for zombie Sherman???

Zombie Sherman is a great idea. Just imagine the chaos.

163 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:13:33pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

Fundies are fundies, irregardless of the base line faith.

164 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:19:12pm

I get my Wisdom Teeth removed tomorrow.

I can't get to sleep, for some reason, I am frightened.

165 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:21:16pm

re: #164 ProGunLiberal

I get my Wisdom Teeth removed tomorrow.

I can't get to sleep, for some reason, I am frightened.

How many?

I had mine taken out when I was 18. Long time ago. Yes, it hurt, but the pain passed soon enough.

166 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:23:14pm

re: #165 freetoken

All 4.

Thing is, I am oversensitive on just about everything. :(

167 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:25:05pm

re: #164 ProGunLiberal

MEH, you will be fine!!
{{{Hugs}}}}
let us know, anyway.
EAT LOTSA ICECREAM!

168 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:26:49pm

re: #164 ProGunLiberal

Relax and know that thousands of friends you have never met are holding your hand. We will be there for you.

169 Lidane  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:28:32pm

Oh geez. An acquaintance I know on FB just posted a video by the Scorpions and called them West Germany's best rock band. I'd ask him if he realizes that Germany reunified back in the early 90's, but the guy's a total wingnut, so the answer's probably a no.

170 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:30:31pm

G'night all.

171 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:39:28pm

re: #166 ProGunLiberal

All 4.

Thing is, I am oversensitive on just about everything. :(

Nothing a few extra shots of novocaine can't help.

172 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:43:19pm

Some in the GOP hierarchy are trying to find a way out of the cul-de-sac, and to avoid repeating the "fog of buffoonery" that enveloped the 2012 nomination process:

Branstad questions need for Iowa straw poll

Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad suggested it may be time to lay the idiosyncratic Iowa Republican tradition of the Ames Straw Poll to rest.

Branstad said in an interview earlier Tuesday with the Wall Street Journal that the poll has "outlived its usefulness."

"It has been a great fundraiser for the party but I think its days are over."

Spokesman Tim Albrecht doubled-down on the governor's sentiment telling CNN Branstad believes the Iowa straw poll is a "disservice to Iowa Republicans in that it discourages top-tier candidates from attending, and therein threatens their participation in the caucuses."

[...]

The former Republican presidential candidate and Minnesota congresswoman Michele Bachmann poured vast resources into the event and won. Her standing in the informal poll, however, did not translate into the real contest of the Iowa caucus, receiving only 5% of the vote and coming in sixth.

Former Republican nominee Mitt Romney came in fourth, behind businessman Herman Cain in third and Texas Rep. Ron Paul in second in last year's straw poll. Romney opted out of the 2012 straw poll after 2008 when he poured many resources into the event only to suspend his presidential campaign shortly after the Iowa caucuses in February of the next year.

[...]

173 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:04:14pm

re: #172 freetoken

Some in the GOP hierarchy are trying to find a way out

somewhere these people are having 47% conversations, but the people they are talking about are the wingnut base and how to disassociate themselves from them and make them invisible without losing their votes

and it could be that someday there could be a 47% video of one of these conversations out on the youtube

174 SteveMcG  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:16:44pm

I got a broken wisdom tooth ripped out last summer. It actually went very smoothly. The DMD lady was racing through a checklist (Do you have high blood pressure, ...) faster than I could answer her. Finally she gets to seizures, but by the time I said yes she was three items down the list, so she had to stop and ask me what the yes was for. Finally, got one shot of novacaine, she gets me in a headlock (which I kind of liked!) twisted one way, then the other and out came the tooth. I don't even think I was in there thirty minutes $350.00 thank you very much chew on some gauze overnight have a nice day.

175 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:28:23pm

re: #169 Lidane

Oh geez. An acquaintance I know on FB just posted a video by the Scorpions and called them West Germany's best rock band. I'd ask him if he realizes that Germany reunified back in the early 90's, but the guy's a total wingnut, so the answer's probably a no.

Well, in their defense only in regards to The Scorpions, they were West Germany's best rock band back when they really broke out in the charts and on MTV in the early-mid 80s (because reunification hadn't happened yet).

Just sayin'...

176 freetoken  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:37:02pm

Here's more of that GOP "I built the corporation" competence being demonstrated:

Campaign worker receives check and condom, check bounces

Two days after the election campaign workers came to News 8 claiming, they had not been paid by Linda McMahon's campaign. We spoke out on their behalf and one week after the election the campaign was writing checks. The only problem is that the checks bounced.

[...]

News 8 called the McMahon campaign and were told by spokesperson Kate Duffy, "Checks have been mailed to campaign workers. Replacement checks were issued for those who did not want to wait for the mail. The original checks were then voided once replacement checks were issued."

However, Evette Brown only got one check: the original one in the mail.

"I waited for mine to come in the mail," Brown said. "It came in the mail and when I went to cash it, I couldn't cash it."

The original check was no good. She says, she was never given a replacement check.

"No ma'am, no, no, no, mine came in the mail," Brown said.

Twaine Don Gomes was one of the people who first complained to News 8. He was handed a check, but he says, the campaign told him they were mad that he came to News 8, so he got a little something extra in his envelope.

"Basically he handed me a check with a condom in it, told me I was screwed," Gomes said. "That's the rudest gesture you can ever do to a person, it's like spitting in a person's face."

His check bounced as well. The workers say, this was the last thing they were expecting after spending hours in the cold, working hard for their candidate on election day.

"I'm not blaming Mrs. McMahon for this, I'm not bashing anyone," Brown said, "but I just want my pay for 16 hours."

News 8 spoke to the campaign spokesperson again Monday night, she says this has all been a misunderstanding and they have every intention of paying everybody who worked. We sent them names and numbers of people who have had checks bounce and they say, they will follow up.

WTF? A condom???

This whole gimmick of "we're rich so we must be the best and therefor the ones to rule over you" is just smoke and mirrors.

177 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:39:05pm

Wingnuts are some spiteful gits when they don't get their way, aren't they?

178 researchok  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 12:33:12am

Morning, all

179 freetoken  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 12:47:55am
180 researchok  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 12:52:04am

re: #179 freetoken

Nice mellow piece before the onslaught of holiday crazy.

181 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 12:59:42am

Alice In Chains-Got Me Wrong (studio version)

182 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 1:11:18am

And the closest to jazz I'm likely to get...

Swing on This

183 freetoken  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 1:13:20am

Did someone say "holiday"?

184 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 1:27:04am

re: #183 freetoken

185 researchok  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 1:32:00am

re: #183 freetoken

Great- an early start.
//

186 researchok  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 1:37:01am

re: #184 Kragar

See my 183.

As it is my inbox is loaded with the Black Friday jump start ads.

And they started last week.

Me and everyone else, of course.

187 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 1:43:04am

re: #186 researchok

See my 183.

As it is my inbox is loaded with the Black Friday jump start ads.

And they started last week.

Me and everyone else, of course.

My inbox is actually doing ok. Of course, I've got 3 mail accounts, not counting work.

188 researchok  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 2:00:45am

re: #187 Kragar

Every time I think I'm getting ahead with my email, it seems like a whole new crop of spam appears.

Big bucks in email address lists.

189 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 2:06:53am

re: #188 researchok

Every time I think I'm getting ahead with my email, it seems like a whole new crop of spam appears.

Big bucks in email address lists.

I've got one I keep for personal and financial use, close friend, bills etc.

One I use for online gaming, shopping, access to website that require an email address. Got some rules to transfer legit stuff to a sub folder, then I can browse thru the rest and that stuff can get trashed.

I've got one disposable account for miscellaneous crap that comes up that I don't bother to sort.

190 researchok  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 2:11:09am

re: #189 Kragar

I need to try that.

More than anything, the spam is just annoying.

191 researchok  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 2:18:46am

Bus bomb in Tel Aviv- CNN

192 researchok  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 2:28:30am

Terrorist Attack on Bus in Tel Aviv

A terrorist blew blown up a Dan local bus on Shaul HaMelech street in central Tel Aviv aroun noon. At least three people are seriously wounded.

There are at least seven other passengers wounded, most of them with lesser injuries, and ambulances have evacuated them to hospitals.

Eyewitnesses said that that the terrorist boarded the bus, placed a suspicious package there and then fled. Police are searching for him.

Authorities said there was no advanced warning of a terrorist attack.

193 researchok  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 2:37:29am

10 injured in blast on Tel Aviv bus

...The attack happened on the eighth day of an Israeli offensive against the Gaza Strip which it launched with the stated aim of preventing rocket strikes from the Palestinian enclave.

Celebratory gunfire rang out in Gaza City when local radio stations reported news of the Tel Aviv explosion.

194 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 3:55:30am

re: #176 freetoken

Here's more of that GOP "I built the corporation" competence being demonstrated:

Campaign worker receives check and condom, check bounces

WTF? A condom???

This whole gimmick of "we're rich so we must be the best and therefor the ones to rule over you" is just smoke and mirrors.

And you wonder why they call them "rubber checks".

195 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 3:55:56am

re: #192 researchok

Terrorist Attack on Bus in Tel Aviv

Oh that sucks.

196 Flounder  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 4:03:11am

The bad news, my office has no heat.
The good news, I don't have to put my lunch in the fridge. If there are any Artie Lange fans here, Maxim has a two page article about him and his new sport show on Sirius.
Good Morning!

197 Flounder  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 4:49:23am

Heat is on, must be a programmable thermostat. If used improperly, a programmed thermostat will actually cost you more money.

198 Flounder  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 5:02:54am

Ajmal Kasab was hung until dead for his role in the 2008 Mubai attacks.
[Link: in.news.yahoo.com...]

199 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 5:22:13am

There's a guy standing outside my apartment screaming 'Vehicle reversing" and then making beeping sounds.

200 Dave In Austin  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 5:31:15am

I can dream can't I?

Warren Buffett, in a recent interview with CNBC, offers one of the best quotes about the debt ceiling:

"I could end the deficit in 5 minutes," he told CNBC. "You just
pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more
than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible
for re-election.

The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds)
took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple!
The people demanded it. That was in 1971 - before computers, e-mail,
cell phones, etc.

Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took one (1) year
or less to become the law of the land - all because of public pressure.

Warren Buffet is asking each addressee to forward this email to
a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask
each of those to do likewise.

In three days, most people in The United States of America will
have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed
around.

Congressional Reform Act of 2012

1. No Tenure / No Pension.

A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no
pay when they're out of office.

2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social
Security.

All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the
Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into
the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the
American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all
Americans do.

4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise.
Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

5. Congress loses their current health care system and
participates in the same health care system as the American people.

6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the
American people.

7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void
effective 12/1/12. The American people did not make this
contract with Congressmen/women.

Congress made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in
Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers
envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their
term(s), then go home and back to work.

If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will
only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive
the message. Don't you think it's time?

Posted to my Reps and all over my FB page......

201 geoduck  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 5:36:54am

re: #200 Dave In Austin

Snopes on the Warren Buffett thing:
[Link: www.snopes.com...]

202 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 5:37:13am

Traveling this week. Happy Commie Holidays, Lizards.

203 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 5:37:39am

re: #200 Dave In Austin

Warren Buffet is asking each addressee to forward this email to
a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask
each of those to do likewise.

MOAR SPAM PLEEZ!

204 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 5:40:26am

re: #199 Obdicut

There's a guy standing outside my apartment screaming 'Vehicle reversing" and then making beeping sounds.

That's just the sound Mitt Romney makes when he changes his mind.

Mornin' everyone.

205 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 5:47:28am

re: #204 darthstar

That's just the sound Mitt Romney makes when he changes his mind.

Mornin' everyone.

Just think, pretty soon you'll make a Mitt Romney joke and people will go "Who?"

206 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 5:54:07am

re: #199 Obdicut

There's a guy standing outside my apartment screaming 'Vehicle reversing" and then making beeping sounds.

Damnit, I told dad to stay inside today.

207 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 5:57:30am

re: #205 Obdicut

Just think, pretty soon you'll make a Mitt Romney joke and people will go "Who?"

Republicans already are. As I predicted, they are castigating him to Voldermort status as fast as they can.

208 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 5:58:01am

re: #206 Eventual Carrion

Damnit, I told dad to stay inside today.

Chewed through his restraints again?

209 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:01:01am

Good morning lizards!

Greetings from Tennessee : )

210 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:01:02am

re: #208 darthstar

Chewed through his restraints again?

Yeah, back to the chains I guess.

211 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:05:28am

re: #207 darthstar

Republicans already are. As I predicted, they are castigating him to Voldermort status as fast as they can.

Doesn't really work. Voldermort commanded the loyalty of hundreds of his Death-Eater followers, whereas Mitt Romney commands none outside his family whose loyalty has not been bought and paid for.

212 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:09:23am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Doesn't really work. Voldermort commanded the loyalty of hundreds of his Death-Eater followers, whereas Mitt Romney commands none outside his family whose loyalty has not been bought and paid for.

Is there any side effect to going from calling him a guy who shouldn't be president, is only out for himself, to saying he should be president and defending him, and then back to saying he's a failure as a leader again?

213 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:09:56am

re: #162 prairiefire

Zombie Sherman is a great idea. Just imagine the chaos.

Thus the irony since Sherman was a man that believed in order. Sort of Iron Man-ish (in the Black Sabbath sense.)

214 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:12:30am

Little chance of truce now. Bus attacks usually throw the Israeli electorate over the top. I don't think Bibi will be able to prevent serious escalation even if he wanted to. With an election coming, bus attacks in Tel Aviv are a serious blow to ones leadership. Regrettably, this is going to get a whole lot uglier before it gets better.

215 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:13:00am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Doesn't really work. Voldermort commanded the loyalty of hundreds of his Death-Eater followers, whereas Mitt Romney commands none outside his family whose loyalty has not been bought and paid for.

So you never liked the fucker after all. Ha.

216 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:14:13am

Fatah's al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the Tel Aviv bombing. While no one appears to have been killed in the bus attack, 20 people were injured in the attack that occurred on one of Tel Aviv's busiest bus routes.

Seems that they wanted to remind their fellow Palestinians that they too can carry out attacks and didn't want Hamas to get all the press to themselves. Gazans were reportedly celebrating word of the attack with gunfire and Hamas praised the attacks.

Bombing attacks have been infrequent because of security precautions put in place by Israel - the security fence and checkpoints Israel instituted after a spate of attacks a few years back has lessened the risk from these kinds of terror attacks, but it led Hamas to adopt the current regime of rocket and mortar attacks (which continue unabated to this day).

It's also a reminder that Fatah's own "military wing", the AAMB has no interest in peace either, and that Fatah will use terrorism when it suits them. For the most part, they've been okay with the status quo since they can leave the terror attacks to Hamas and PIJ and the PRCs while they continue to receive foreign aid that flows into Ramallah's PA headquarters.

The bus attack threatens the quiet for Fatah and could open up a new front in the latest flare up of fighting, though Abbas isn't likely to support further attacks since it would undermine his position diplomatically.

217 dragonath  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:18:10am

Wow, what an insane thing for Fatah to do.

Shameful.

218 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:18:24am

re: #214 Petero1818

Israel isn't prepared to go and deal with Fatah and the West Bank; they've been gearing up for a Gaza incursion and the bus attack is linked back to Fatah's AAMB. Israel will for now treat that as an isolated incident and continue gearing towards going after Hamas, PIJ and PRC terror infrastructure.

I expect that the Israeli military will leave the AAMB to Israel's border security forces to deal with. Expect more checkpoints and further tightening of the checkpoints; the Shin Bet and Mossad were both warning of terror attacks, but the intel they were gathering indicated attacks on Israeli political leaders (either by bombings or through mortar/rocket/missile fire), not necessarily a bus attack.

219 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:19:42am

About those "cruel, horrible, apartheid" checkpoints...they are the reason that bus bombings are not an everyday occurrence like they were 10 years ago.

220 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:20:23am

re: #217 dragonath

Fatah will now go and distance itself from its terror spawn as quickly as possible, though they are effectively Fatah's "terror military wing".

221 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:21:59am

re: #216 lawhawk

I suspect that this is also part of the ongoing power struggle in Gaza. Fatah can claim that all Hamas is doing is getting the Gazans bombed. Fatah can claim to have struck a blow to the Israeli heartland. Sad as it is, killing civillians can bring one credibility and legitimacy in the territories.

I have been reading the Israeli papers online. Shocking number of people calling for a re-occupation of Gaza. Not ad hoc vindictive occupation but a strategic re-occupation to prevent rocket fire. I find myself occasionally thinking the same thing surprising myself. I oppose occupation. I oppose settlements. But perhaps what is needed is a re-occupation which would force Hamas to attempt to negotiate its own peace with Israel. Forcing them to be statesman and negotiate a durable peace may be the only solution. The incentive to do so would be there as the average Gazan will not want reoccupation of any sort. As tough a place as Gaza is, it is not occupied.

222 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:23:26am

re: #218 lawhawk

Israel isn't prepared to go and deal with Fatah and the West Bank; they've been gearing up for a Gaza incursion and the bus attack is linked back to Fatah's AAMB. Israel will for now treat that as an isolated incident and continue gearing towards going after Hamas, PIJ and PRC terror infrastructure.

I expect that the Israeli military will leave the AAMB to Israel's border security forces to deal with. Expect more checkpoints and further tightening of the checkpoints; the Shin Bet and Mossad were both warning of terror attacks, but the intel they were gathering indicated attacks on Israeli political leaders (either by bombings or through mortar/rocket/missile fire), not necessarily a bus attack.

No way will Israel fight in WEst Bank now. But Fatah remains active in Gaza, particularly its military wing.

223 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:24:10am

re: #216 lawhawk

There are reports of celebrations of the bus bombing going on in Gaza.

224 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:25:28am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

There are reports of celebrations of the bus bombing going on in Gaza.

225 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:26:57am

re: #222 Petero1818

Fatah really isn't active in Gaza- they were effectively booted from Gaza in the Palestinian civil war that followed Israel's disengagement. Hamas has suppressed Fatah's activities in Gaza (defenestrations and summary executions tend to do that). Fatah might want to get a beachhead back in Gaza, but they're not in a position to fight Hamas on Hamas' home turf.

At the same time, Fatah can claim that they were more successful in their singular bus attack than Hamas' rocket attacks, and that might sway some of the extremists to side up with Fatah instead of Hamas, but that's not a winning strategy since the logistics of attacking buses is far more difficult to replicate than setting up rocket attacks.

226 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:28:57am

re: #212 Obdicut

Is there any side effect to going from calling him a guy who shouldn't be president, is only out for himself, to saying he should be president and defending him, and then back to saying he's a failure as a leader again?

I had to buy an extra tempur-pedic cushion to make sure I didn't get whiplash.

227 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:29:33am

re: #225 lawhawk

Fatah really isn't active in Gaza- they were effectively booted from Gaza in the Palestinian civil war that followed Israel's disengagement. Hamas has suppressed Fatah's activities in Gaza (defenestrations and summary executions tend to do that). Fatah might want to get a beachhead back in Gaza, but they're not in a position to fight Hamas on Hamas' home turf.

At the same time, Fatah can claim that they were more successful in their singular bus attack than Hamas' rocket attacks, and that might sway some of the extremists to side up with Fatah instead of Hamas, but that's not a winning strategy since the logistics of attacking buses is far more difficult to replicate than setting up rocket attacks.

I am not suggesting Fatah can go back to open battle with Hamas in Gaza. They lost that round years ago. But I am suggesting that Fatah is constantly engaged in a battle for the hearts of Gazans. The election was relatively close. Fatah holds no power in Gaza but does maintain a reasonably large base of support amongst the population.

228 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:33:33am

re: #224 Vicious Babushka

[Link: mobile.twitter.com...]

229 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:35:04am
230 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:35:27am

re: #224 Vicious Babushka

The difference between Israel and her enemies made clear:

Israel regrets Gazan civilian casualties and tries to figure out how to prevent them as much as possible, Hamas and Gaza celebrate Israeli civilian casualties.

231 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:36:31am

re: #229 darthstar

Image: 390346_10151185611517917_2105673222_n.jpg

LIES STRAIGHT FROM THE PIT OF HELL!

232 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:37:25am

re: #228 NJDhockeyfan

[Link: mobile.twitter.com...]

The bus that was bombed is of the same general type as the CTA and Pace buses I ride on. It's the sort of realization that really brings the war home for me.

233 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:37:36am

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

I had to buy an extra tempur-pedic cushion to make sure I didn't get whiplash.

Have you considered just following your own instincts and not supporting people you find to be fake charlatans who are incredibly poor standard-bearers for your 'side'?

It might help.

234 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:38:08am
235 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:38:13am

How I managed to avoid thinking about this shit for five days.

Image: 417168_10151275844733024_373080603_n.jpg

Yes, that's a plastic cup. But it's still a margarita...on my balcony...in Mexico.

236 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:38:42am

re: #227 Petero1818

The election wasn't really that close; the overall Palestinian vote was close, but when you look at who won and where, Gaza overwhelmingly went for Hamas. Even the West Bank went for Hamas, except for several enclaves (Ramallah for one).

Image: 437px-Palestine_election_map.PNG

Change and Reform was the Hamas slate.

237 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:39:21am

re: #231 Four More Tears

LIES STRAIGHT FROM THE GREASE PIT OF HELL!

Enhanced that for ya.

239 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:40:33am

re: #225 lawhawk

Fatah really isn't active in Gaza- they were effectively booted from Gaza in the Palestinian civil war that followed Israel's disengagement. Hamas has suppressed Fatah's activities in Gaza (defenestrations and summary executions tend to do that). Fatah might want to get a beachhead back in Gaza, but they're not in a position to fight Hamas on Hamas' home turf.

At the same time, Fatah can claim that they were more successful in their singular bus attack than Hamas' rocket attacks, and that might sway some of the extremists to side up with Fatah instead of Hamas, but that's not a winning strategy since the logistics of attacking buses is far more difficult to replicate than setting up rocket attacks.

Pretty cynical play by Fatah to do a bus bombing right on the eve of a potential (though most probably temporary) ceasefire in Gaza. If anything it's further proof of a lack of true leadership in the modern sense. They are not concerned about the *people* themselves, but their standing in maintaining power.

And it is a major pity that things have gotten to the point that they feel attacks on civilian targets are necessary in order to maintain "standing" with the Palestinian civilian populations. That shows how truly depraved things have become.

240 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:41:18am

re: #236 lawhawk

re: #238 Four More Tears

Your links did not work.

241 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:42:33am
242 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:45:40am

re: #241 Four More Tears

Lemme try this again.

[Link: angryblackladychronicles.com...]

If they want people to take them seriously, they can expand the child tax credit in the state back to where it used to be. Then a tax credit per unborn child might make sense. A credit to defray expenses related to a pregnancy isn't a bad idea, but its best as part of an overall scheme to help people with child-related expenses.

243 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:47:03am

re: #241 Four More Tears

Lemme try this again.

[Link: angryblackladychronicles.com...]

I can't wait for the demagoguery to follow when they start claiming people are getting pregnant for the tax break in September and then getting abortions in January.

I also presume they will have code added for chasing down scofflaws who miscarry after making the claim as well.
/// (massive)

244 dragonath  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:47:44am

re: #241 Four More Tears

Yeah, this from the same people against maternity leave.

loooool

245 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:48:19am

I'll bet he insults Dumbo.

246 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:50:46am

re: #245 darthstar

Pluto better watch out.

247 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:51:23am

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248 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:52:24am

re: #245 darthstar

I'll bet he insults Dumbo.

[Embedded content]

He does have a large number of grandchildren. Taking some of them to Disneyland isn't a bad idea. As a father and grandfather, Mitt Romney has done well, so leave him alone if he's taking his grandkids to see Mickey Mouse.

249 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:53:12am

re: #246 lawhawk

Pluto better watch out.

He couldn't fit Pluto into his schedule because he didn't planet.

250 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:54:24am

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

He does have a large number of grandchildren. Taking some of them to Disneyland isn't a bad idea. As a father and grandfather, Mitt Romney has done well, so leave him alone if he's taking his grandkids to see Mickey Mouse.

He could take them to West Virginia and help out that poor mine operator who had to lay off 122 miners because of Obamacare. The little fuckers can dig.

251 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:54:51am

re: #249 darthstar

He couldn't fit Pluto into his schedule because he didn't planet.

Upding for the fun and funny pun.

252 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:55:06am

Okay...time to walk the dogs... bbl.

253 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:55:22am

re: #250 darthstar

Don't be a dick.

254 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:58:13am

Here is the leading edge of the forthcoming Santorum/Huckabee 2016 ticket.

[Link: nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com...]

255 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:58:50am
256 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:59:28am

re: #236 lawhawk

The election wasn't really that close; the overall Palestinian vote was close, but when you look at who won and where, Gaza overwhelmingly went for Hamas. Even the West Bank went for Hamas, except for several enclaves (Ramallah for one).

Image: 437px-Palestine_election_map.PNG

Change and Reform was the Hamas slate.

Gaza totally went for Hamas. However since we know Fatah only lost the popular vote throughout the territories by 3% and we know Gaza is the most densely populated, it stands to reason that there is a measure of popular support for Fatah in Gaza. All I am saying is that Fatah has not abandoned any hope of representing Gaza. And I think that any Fatah action now should be viewed as being directed more at its position vis a vis Hamas in Gaza than anything to do with Israel and the West Bank.

257 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 7:07:21am
258 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 7:16:50am

re: #255 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

She does drive a Prius, so she's still not a Real American!

259 Lidane  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 7:51:14am

From the No Shit, Really? files:

Romney Adviser: Right-Wing Polling Facing ‘Some Kind Of Systemic Crisis’

Former Romney campaign adviser Dan Senor on Wednesday acknowledged that he and his fellow Republicans misread the American electorate in 2012, while suggesting that the election proves there is "some kind of systemic crisis today in the world of polling." Senor specifically highlighted the poor performance by right-leaning pollsters such as Rasmussen, as well as Gallup.

"There is some kind of systemic crisis today in the world of polling, I think particularly on the right-of-center polling. The modeling was way off," Senor said during an appearance on MSNBC's Morning Joe. "How pollsters on the Republican side, although not just on the Republican side, you saw Gallup make similar mistakes, you saw Rasmussen make similar mistakes. The understanding, the assumptions made about what the electorate looked like was way off."

260 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 7:54:11am

Mount Doom reminds folks who's boss as volcano in New Zealand Middle Earth erupts.

261 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:02:57am

They're passing out sweets in Gaza this morning. A very bad day.

262 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:06:21am

Expect Israel's restraint to be understood and internalized by Hamas and other extremists as a sign of weakness, not that it is done from a position of strength.

Israel is considering holding its fire to see if Hamas will do the same.

263 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:10:19am

re: #262 lawhawk

Expect Israel's restraint to be understood and internalized by Hamas and other extremists as a sign of weakness, not that it is done from a position of strength.

Israel is considering holding its fire to see if Hamas will do the same.

I've been wondering if Israel can spin this so that Hamas' attacks are so feeble that it's not worth responding to. I think the bus attack might change that possibility. Hamas may force Israel's hand into responding.

264 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:16:09am

re: #263 Killgore Trout

That wouldn't cut it with the Israeli public, particularly the millions that are under siege from the incessant rocket attacks. Israel has shown that it can and will return fire on the terrorists carrying out rocket attacks, but that it usually takes Israeli casualties for serious retaliation (only happened about 7 times in past 11 years, despite unending rocket fire during that time). That's why Israel is going through with the current counter-terrorism operations.

The bus attack doesn't change that calculus re: Hamas, but it might change security arrangements with Fatah, as well as increased security checkpoints in and around the West Bank plus stepped up security sweeps of public spaces inside Israel.

265 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:17:44am

re: #262 lawhawk

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Have a client in London that does a lot of broadcasting for the BBC as well as many Arab networks. Yesterday we were sending them a live shot of someone here in the states being interviewed by the BBC.I almost jumped through the monitor here when I heard him say "the rockets that Hamas are shooting off are aimed at UNINHABITED AREAS of Israel, and are no more harmful than BOTTLE ROCKETS that US kids use on the Fourth of July

Destro ,, was that you ???
/

266 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:24:42am

Commas save lives grammar can kill:
Let's eat Grandma!
Let's eat, Grandma!

267 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:26:10am

re: #259 Lidane

From the No Shit, Really? files:

Romney Adviser: Right-Wing Polling Facing ‘Some Kind Of Systemic Crisis’

Self Reflection FAIL.

268 dragonfire1981  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:33:34am
269 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:36:55am

re: #268 dragonfire1981

Come to Canada. We have Twinkies. :D

But as every Canadian will tell you there are countless Canadian snack cakes which are superior.
Jos Louis, 1/2 moon, Mae West,/.......

270 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:38:55am

re: #268 dragonfire1981

Come to Canada. We have Twinkies. :D

I thought they preferred to be called gay or lesbian!!

///

271 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:39:24am

BBIAB

272 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:43:43am

re: #259 Lidane

From the No Shit, Really? files:

Romney Adviser: Right-Wing Polling Facing ‘Some Kind Of Systemic Crisis’

This is no doubt why Nate Silver and others were totally unable to make reasonable predictions from the polling data. Curse you, pollsters!

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273 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:46:36am
274 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:52:46am

Image: clinton_morsi_AP714886253366_620x350.jpg

This one calls for a caption contest......I'll start.

Morsi: Madam Secretary, that is a very nice jacket. I am particularly fond of the color. Thanks for your support.

Clinton: I think I may have had some bad hummous in Ramallah today. Kind of feel a little gassy.

275 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:00:54am

Assad's probably laughing his ass off over the fact that the Hamas-Israel skirmishes have taken his civil war off the front pages of media outlets around the world. Well played. He, like his backers in Tehran, are playing everyone for fools and know that the media feasts on conflict between Israel and its enemies and that other conflicts take a back seat - even ones that are far more deadly or have repercussions that are far more significant over the long run - such as the Syrian civil war and the potential to destabilize not only Syria, but Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey and Iraq.

It's why you've got Turkey and Egypt trying to further diplomatic talks - all in an effort to coopt the Syrian/Iranian angle and assert dominance among other Muslim-majority countries in the region. For now, Egypt's gotten ahead on that front, but all are warily looking at what Tehran's doing. None of these countries have a problem castigating or demonizing Israel (see Turkey; see also Egyptian claims about Israel starting the latest round of violence all while claiming neutrality for instance).

276 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:01:03am

Somebody recorded part of the Palestinian rocket misfire I saw last night on the webcam

The rocket fire starts at about 2:00 from the lower left. The audio is delayed on this version but it's still pretty clear that it's rocket fire from the street. you can see some bits of rockets flying off as they fail to clear the surrounding buildings. Daylight images of the burning buildings at the end (camera direction changes by then)

277 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:02:42am

From #Sandy - try navigating traffic at the Queens Midtown Tunnel while dodging rapids:

278 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:04:16am

re: #275 lawhawk

None of these countries have a problem castigating or demonizing Israel (see Turkey; see also Egyptian claims about Israel starting the latest round of violence all while claiming neutrality for instance).

It's particularly disappointing to see Egypt's reaction to this since they are a key factor in how long it takes Palestinians to replenish rockets stockpiles. I think the MB ruled Egypt is just going to make things worse.

279 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:05:04am
280 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:07:04am

I'm thinking of Paging a very interesting and yet highly appalling article. Yet... How far 'out there" is the Times Of Israel? It started as a Facebook update and went a bit viral.

281 dragonath  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:09:14am

re: #275 lawhawk

The leadership in Turkey is disturbing. It's one of the perils of having a resurgent economy under religious minded leadership. People are willing to excuse so much.

282 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:09:45am

re: #280 Political Atheist

I'm thinking of Paging a very interesting and yet highly appalling article. Yet... How far 'out there" is the Times Of Israel? It started as a Facebook update and went a bit viral.

I consider them a bit unreliable but not terrible. Definitely not my first choice for news but I will sometimes check out their articles.

283 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:11:21am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Way hardline right wing?

284 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:11:32am
285 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:12:19am

Well, there's half an hour of my life I'll never get back!!

286 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:12:51am

Oh No!

RIP, Mr. Food

Mr. Food - TV chef Art Ginsburg - dies at 81

Art Ginsburg, the delightfully dorky television chef known as Mr. Food, died at his home in Weston, Fla., today following a struggle with pancreatic cancer. He was 81.

Ginsburg — who enticed viewers for decades with a can-do focus on easy weeknight cooking and the tagline “Ooh! It’s so good!” — was diagnosed just over a year ago. The cancer had gone into remission following early treatments and surgery, but returned earlier this month.

Ginsburg had an unlikely formula for success in this era of reality cooking shows, flashy chefs and artisanal foods. With a pleasantly goofy, grandfatherly manner and a willingness to embrace processed foods, Ginsburg endeared himself to millions of home cooks via 90-second segments syndicated to 125 local television stations around the country.

287 Jolo5309  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:13:21am

re: #168 William Barnett-Lewis

Relax and know that thousands of friends you have never met are holding your hand. We will be there for you.

That's not a hand you are holding...

288 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:13:40am

re: #283 Political Atheist

Way hardline right wing?

They have a solid right leaning. Although I think the Israeli "Hardline right" would be a bit more extreme.

289 Jolo5309  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:14:49am

re: #284 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Wing Nut Daily fails basic reading test on the constitution

To the author of that:
Dear Jackass, don't call people names and then wonder why you cannot have civil discourse.

290 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:17:18am

Passing out candy and treats
Gazans react to Tel Aviv blast

291 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:18:15am

Israeli news sources:

HAARETZ: Best news source. Leftist editorial position.
YNET: 2nd-best news source. Centrist editorial position, but ferociously anti-religious
JERUSALEM POST: Used to be a good news source, center-right position, but they have slipped sadly wingnut (Gilad Sharon's op-ed for example)
ARUTZ SHEVA: The Israeli version of Fox News.
TIMES OF ISRAEL: New on the scene, but they look like a fit between JPOST and ARUTZ SHEVA.

292 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:24:21am

My first ever homemade pie turned out well.
A little misshapen, but awesome.

293 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:24:54am

re: #284 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Wing Nut Daily fails basic reading test on the constitution

I spammed the hell out of that thread at WND yesterday, before it was declared a "mistake" by them. It was fun arguing with "roy" and friends as they tried to defend the author, eventually they simply tried to move the goalposts and claimed the article was somehow about states not certifying the results of the election.

Again myself and others pointed out that it wouldn't change a thing because Obama would still have the majority of lawfully appointed Electors. Denial of reality is strong over there, but they never did come up with an answer as to why if their bullshit theory is true that Lincoln was re-elected in 1864.

BOOM!

294 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:26:29am

Just saw this quote from the President the other day regarding the situation in Israel....

there's no country on Earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders,”

I guess that doesn't apply to the missiles we fire from drones in Pakistan!

295 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:30:48am

Re: Tel Aviv bombing. Some of the usual suspects will offer the excuse that the poor Palestinians don't have F-16s and mechanized armies, so they have to resort to these methods.

I hope the moonbats keep that in mind when the bat guano right in this country finally decides to act on the years of incitement and finds a use for those munitions they have been stockpiling.

It's going to happen here. You can't have millions of armed, angry, delusional people, and a whole industry devoted to inciting them, without at least some of them acting out.

296 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:31:15am

re: #292 Varek Raith

My first ever homemade pie turned out well.
A little misshapen, but awesome.

Did you make the crust too?

297 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:32:04am

re: #288 Killgore Trout

They have a solid right leaning. Although I think the Israeli "Hardline right" would be a bit more extreme.

Never mind. The last thing I want to do is post something that could be very divisive.

298 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:32:59am

re: #294 Big Steve

That comment only applies to the self-anointed "good guys."

299 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:33:00am

DKos Rec list:
Israeli Government Balks at Ceasefire, Gambles with Lives of Millions

What we are faced with now is a dead-ender Israeli government, who like a losing gambler wants to continue gambling in the hope that it somehow wins a jackpot.

The update on the bus bombing which they imagine is some sort of blessing for the evil Israeli regime

It seems that the last-moment "miracle" that the dangerous gamblers running Israel's government were hoping for, might have just happened. Their operation was on the ropes, but a bombing at the heart of Tel Aviv might re-cement support around it and its expansion, or at least suspend legitimate criticism long enough for the ground invasion to commence.

300 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:36:34am

re: #299 Killgore Trout

gambling in the hope that it somehow wins a jackpot.
if by "jackpot" they mean being able to go get a pizza or board a bus without having to worry it's going to go BOOM, why yes, yes that is a gamble they should take!!

301 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:37:08am

re: #297 Political Atheist

Is a political atheist someone who doesn't believe in politics?

302 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:37:43am

re: #301 wrenchwench

Is a political atheist someone who doesn't believe in politics?

no, just politicians!!
//

303 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:38:01am

Do we have an agreed cease fire or another false alarm? I really hate to see the optics of Israel agreeing to a ceasefire hours after the bus bombing. It just looks bad and sends the wrong message but I suppose they gotta do what they gotta do. What a mess.

304 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:38:48am

re: #301 wrenchwench

Actually the parties. It's from my LGF profile. But if I do Party Atheist, nobody will invite me for New years. :-)

Maybe Fierce Indy?

305 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:38:59am

re: #299 Killgore Trout

a bombing at the heart of Tel Aviv might re-cement support around it

Yeah. How DARE Israelis rally around a gov;t trying to keep the buses safe!!

306 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:39:24am

re: #301 wrenchwench

Is a political atheist someone who doesn't believe in politics?

My former SIL was an algebra atheist. She refused to believe that substituting letters for numbers could yield any useful results. Yet she spent a lot of time watching satellite TV, never for a moment wondering how it was made to happen.

307 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:40:24am

re: #306 Shiplord Kirel

My former SIL was an algebra atheist. She refused to believe that substituting letters for numbers could yield any useful results. Yet she spent a lot of time watching satellite TV, never for a moment wondering how it was made to happen.

She can start by thanking me !!
//

308 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:41:37am

re: #299 Killgore Trout

If you keep looking for reasons to hate, you'll continue to find them.

Judging from the comments on the diary you linked, there are people there defending Israel as well as people criticizing it.

And according to twitter, there's a cease-fire agreement as of 2100 Israel time tonight, proposed by Egypt and brokered by Secretary of State Clinton...I know, cease-fires aren't as exciting as air raids and bus bombs, but they're a sign of possible progress. Fingers crossed that it happens and that it holds.

309 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:42:57am

re: #304 Political Atheist

Actually the parties. It's from my LGF profile. But if I do Party Atheist, nobody will invite me for New years. :-)

Maybe Fierce Indy?

I knew I'd seen it somewhere before.

I was wondering if a person who doesn't believe in God was a religious atheist, but that didn't sound right at all.

How about anti-partisan? That sounds kind of partisan though. Fierce Indy sounds like it might be about auto racing. You're in a tough spot! :)

310 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:43:13am

Speaking of suicide bombers...John Boehner rears his orange head.

311 darthstar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:43:49am
312 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:44:03am

re: #308 darthstar

Fingers crossed that it happens and that it holds.
Me too, as long as if by 'holds' it doesn't mean Hamas goes back to the number of rockets it was sending Israels way prior to this past week!

313 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:47:00am

Maine news anchor team resigns on air over ‘unbalanced news’

At the end of the 6 p.m. newscast, Cindy Michaels and Tony Consiglio thanked viewers and said that departing together was the best alternative because of some “recent developments.”

Consiglio told the Bangor Daily News that he quit because “I just wanted to know that I was doing the best job I could and was being honest and ethical as a journalist, and I thought there were times when I wasn’t able to do that.”

Michaels, who also served as the station’s news director, said that there was a “regular undoing of decisions” that she made.

“There was a constant disrespecting and belittling of staff and we both felt there was a lack of knowledge from ownership and upper management in running a newsroom to the extent that I was not allowed to structure and direct them professionally,” she explained.

“It’s a culmination of ongoing occurrences that took place the last several years and basically involved upper management practices that we both strongly disagreed with,” Michaels continued. “It’s a little complicated, but we were expected to do somewhat unbalanced news, politically, in general.”

314 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:47:40am

re: #303 Killgore Trout

Do we have an agreed cease fire or another false alarm? I really hate to see the optics of Israel agreeing to a ceasefire hours after the bus bombing. It just looks bad and sends the wrong message but I suppose they gotta do what they gotta do. What a mess.

I don't know if I "hate to see it" but I do get where you are coming from. In Gaza the story will be one where hamas defeated the gutless Israelis and that is why Israel capitulated. In Israel many will accuse the administration of being too soft on terror. I can't imagine anything good for Israel out of this decision other than a temporary lull in rockets in the south and a chance for Israelis in the South to get a little bit of normalcy back to their lives.

315 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:48:47am

re: #308 darthstar

If past ceasefires are any guide, I expect to see a smattering of attacks following the ceasefire deadline, and that they might result in retaliatory fire if they result in casualties. If the ceasefire is predicated on Israel's holding fire so long as Hamas doesn't initiate fire, then the onus is on Hamas to stop the fire.

The question then becomes what has Hamas gained by this past week's violence? For them, they've indicated the capability to fire deep into Israel's urban heart (Tel Aviv and Jerusalem both hit) and that the smuggling network has been successful in rearming Hamas for the long run. That has a propaganda impact, but from a tactical and strategic position, they're in worse shape now that Israel has gone after the folks firing those rockets/missiles and the smuggling tunnels once again. Israel has been preparing Iron Dome for such an eventuality (longer range rockets/missiles), and Hamas began to see what kind of capabilities the system has.

For Israel, they've shown that Iron Dome can provide a measure of safety and that they can go after Hamas without invading Gaza with all dangers that it could entail to IDF ground forces, but it also means that Israel can't more thoroughly go after Hamas on the ground. But the attacks once again expose the country's vulnerabilities as a result of the situation in Egypt as well as Iranian/Syrian provocateurs who are hoping to use Hamas to divert attention from the Syrian civil war.

316 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:49:24am

Fischer on Rubio: ‘Eyewitness account’ in Bible proves Earth created in 7 days

Fischer: "... nobody was there and there was no human witness to the origin of the Earth and the origin of all things. I mean, Adam wasn’t even an eyewitness to his own creation. All the sudden, he was there.”

“So, the only eyewitness account we could possibly have would have to come from the creator himself, and fortunately he left us an eyewitness account.”

317 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:49:52am

re: #296 wrenchwench

Did you make the crust too?

Yeah.
That was the hardest part.
XD

318 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:50:21am

re: #317 Varek Raith

Yeah.
That was the hardest part.
XD

I hate a pie with a hard crust!!
/

319 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:50:29am

re: #310 darthstar

Speaking of suicide bombers...John Boehner rears his orange head.

[Embedded content]

Dear GOP,
Elections have consequences.
You lost.
Deal with it.

320 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:51:42am

re: #319 Varek Raith

Dear GOP,
Elections have consequences.
You lost.
Deal with it.

"BUT WE WON THE HOUSE! ITS A MANDATE!"

Which is ironic considering how vehemently opposed the GOP is to man dates.

321 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:53:00am

re: #317 Varek Raith

Yeah.
That was the hardest part.
XD

What did you use for the shortening? Crisco? Butter? Some people say that lard is the best pie shortening but I wouldn't know about that. I have always used Crisco.

322 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:54:08am

re: #320 Kragar

"BUT WE WON THE HOUSE! ITS A MANDATE!"

Which is ironic considering how vehemently opposed the GOP is to man dates.

That's just for show. Just like it is for Fischer. Many skeletons in that closet.

323 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:55:16am

The fact that Hamas has been pressing for a ceasefire that includes lifting the blockade and the details of the ceasefire don't seem to indicate a deal by Israel to do that indicates that Hamas failed on one of its core objectives - to get Israel to stop the blockade of Gaza.

That doesn't mean that at some point down the road that Israel doesn't lift portions of the blockade or opens the border crossings to still more traffic, but the onus is on Hamas to see that the violence stops. Israel will continue to take the steps it needs to protect its citizens from attacks.

But for Hamas attacks on Israel, Israel would not have any need of going after terrorists in Gaza (retaliatory fire, airstrikes, incursions, etc.) or blockading Gaza to prevent weapons/equipment and terrorist infiltration.

324 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:55:22am

Someone got his meds adjusted.

McCain Backs Away From Benghazi Conspiracies

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) today issued a statement essentially conceding that he was wrong in accusing the White House of changing U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice’s talking points on Benghazi for political purposes.

325 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:57:01am

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

What did you use for the shortening? Crisco? Butter? Some people say that lard is the best pie shortening but I wouldn't know about that. I have always used Crisco.

I rely on Bobo for all my pie guidelines.

The pie stuff starts at around 2:40

326 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:57:17am

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

What did you use for the shortening? Crisco? Butter? Some people say that lard is the best pie shortening but I wouldn't know about that. I have always used Crisco.

I used butter.

327 dragonfire1981  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:58:32am
328 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:59:12am

re: #309 wrenchwench

I knew I'd seen it somewhere before.

I was wondering if a person who doesn't believe in God was a religious atheist, but that didn't sound right at all.

How about anti-partisan? That sounds kind of partisan though. Fierce Indy sounds like it might be about auto racing. You're in a tough spot! :)

Heh, it just reflects my life. Family=Fox fans. Friends online and analog-centrist/progressives almost all.

329 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 9:59:20am

re: #324 Kragar

Someone got his meds adjusted.

McCain Backs Away From Benghazi Conspiracies

Somebody with influence must have finally grabbed him by his jowls and yelled "Shut the fuck up, John!"

330 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:01:59am

re: #316 Kragar

Whose god? Crom? Vishnu? Cthulhu? Zeus? He Who Shall Not Be Named?

331 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:02:49am

Paleontologists find 6.5-foot tall penguin fossils in Antarctica

RUN YOU FOOLS! You can't handle a Shoggoth!

332 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:03:33am

re: #330 lawhawk

Whose god? Crom? Vishnu? Cthulhu? Zeus? He Who Shall Not Be Named?

In the beginning there was nothing. The God said "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"

There was still nothing, but now you could see it.

333 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:08:20am

re: #330 lawhawk

Whose god? Crom? Vishnu? Cthulhu? Zeus? He Who Shall Not Be Named?

The American God. How ignorant do you have to be not to understand what he meant?

/

334 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:08:43am

Fox News host mocks food stamps: ‘Do you know how fabulous I’d look? I’d be so skinny’

During a Thanksgiving-eve segment on Fox Business, host Stuart Varney noted that Newark Mayor Cory Booker had accepted a challenge to live on food stamps for a week.

“Could you like on 133 bucks a month for food?” Varney asked Tantaros, who co-hosts Fox News’ The Five.

“I should try it because, do you know how fabulous I’d look?” she replied. “I mean, the camera adds ten pounds. It really does. I would be looking great.”

Yeah, not having enough money to buy food and having to worry about how you're going to feed your kids is fucking hilarious.

335 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:08:50am

re: #317 Varek Raith

Yeah.
That was the hardest part.
XD

It always is.

I used to make great crust with lard, but I wanted to avoid the trans-fats so I switched to butter, and made a couple of really horrible crusts. I just looked up Crisco and I see that they've come up with a very low trans fat version, but it still has fats not found in nature, which might turn out to be bad for you too. The next thing I'm going to try is using vodka for part of the liquid. It's supposed to make it better because it's too much water that makes a crust tough (also the development of the gluten from too much handling) and the vodka burns off so the crust is still flaky.

But Allouette is the queen of pies around here, so don't listen to me....

336 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:11:48am

re: #335 wrenchwench

next thing I'm going to try is using vodka for part of the liquid. It's supposed to make it better

and even if it doesn't, who cares !!!

/

337 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:12:07am

re: #335 wrenchwench

[Link: www.foodnetwork.com...]

Alton Brown's pie crust recipe...

338 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:13:22am

re: #324 Kragar

Someone got his meds adjusted.

McCain Backs Away From Benghazi Conspiracies

Well, that is better than him just wandering off, muttering to himself. He actually stated that he was wrong, have to give him credit for that.

339 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:15:25am

PEACE !!! (I pray!!)

[Link: www.timesofisrael.com...]

US, Egyptian FMs: Israel-Hamas ceasefire to take effect at 9 p.m. Netanyahu to hold press conference

340 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:16:45am

re: #338 Eventual Carrion

Well, that is better than him just wandering off, muttering to himself. He actually stated that he was wrong, have to give him credit for that.

I'd give him credit if he wasn't an ignorantly belligerent asshole in the first place. It wasn't like he made a small mistake or something and apologized for it.

341 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:18:40am

re: #334 Kragar

Fox News host mocks food stamps: ‘Do you know how fabulous I’d look? I’d be so skinny’

Yeah, not having enough money to buy food and having to worry about how you're going to feed your kids is fucking hilarious.

Hopefully she gets smashed in the face with a shovel.

342 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:19:05am

re: #337 lawhawk

[Link: www.foodnetwork.com...]

Alton Brown's pie crust recipe...

I found the non-video version. Lard and butter! But no vodka...

343 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:20:05am

re: #341 Ghost of Tom Joad

Hopefully she gets smashed in the face with a shovel pie.

ftfy

344 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:20:55am

re: #342 wrenchwench

I found the non-video version. Lard and butter and vodka!

Recipe problem solved.

345 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:21:12am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

ftfy

Not mine!
I may frame it!

346 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:21:15am

About that cease-fire:

347 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:21:16am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

ftfy

Gonna go and waste good pie like that. Well, as long as it's not one of those vodka pies, I'll allow it.

348 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:21:34am

re: #341 Ghost of Tom Joad

Calls for violence are frowned upon here, unless they involve pie...

349 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:22:49am
350 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:22:50am

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

About that cease-fire:

[Embedded content]

I think they have 40 more minutes before it officially takes effect. Man, war is stupid.

351 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:22:56am

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

About that cease-fire:

[Embedded content]

Hopefully the final volleys prior to whatever time they agreed upon (I think it's 21:00 GMT, a little over 2 1/2 hours away)

352 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:25:28am

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

About that cease-fire:

[Embedded content]

353 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:26:09am
354 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:26:50am

re: #351 sattv4u2

9pm local time, not GMT or EST. So, they're coming up to 9pm local time.

Damage reports coming in from Beersheba and Ashdod, and Iron Dome intercepts.

355 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:27:00am
356 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:29:17am

re: #355 Shiplord Kirel

Good news: Costco is coming to Lubbock.

"Welcome to Costco, I love you!"

357 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:29:40am

re: #354 lawhawk

Well

I got the 21:00 right!!

(and good ,, 2 hours earlier than I thought

358 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:29:40am
359 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:31:58am

re: #355 Shiplord Kirel

Good news indeed if they treat their workforce better than Walmart.

On another note, is there a way I can get in touch with you off this site? I'm on Twitter, but I don't think you are. Just have a few life-in-West-Texas questions that would benefit from your knowledge of the area :)

360 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:32:47am

re: #356 Eventual Carrion

"Welcome to Costco, I love you!"

I have to watch Idiocracy every day in Lubbock, but not on my TV.

361 Kragar  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:34:16am

Farmers Told To Buy Insurance If They Don’t Want To Get Sued By Corporations

Monsanto is likely to continue this winning streak with an assist from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which released a final report Monday absolving the biotech industry of contamination of non-GM seeds with their products from other fields. The USDA report concludes that organic and other non-GM farmers should simply buy insurance to protect against GMO contamination.

Essentially, Monsanto can sue these farmers all they want for patent infringement, but they are immune to challenges from organic farmers whose products are contaminated by GMOs. As one dissenting committee member commented:

Any farmer/seed grower contaminated will not want to disclose the contamination because they are illegally in possession of a patented material and could be subject to legal action for theft of intellectual property. The committee refused to ever recognize this fact.

362 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:37:52am

...

363 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:38:57am

re: #361 Kragar

Farmers Told To Buy Insurance If They Don’t Want To Get Sued By Corporations

The only thing I've ever liked about Monsanto was that cool ride at Disneyland where you get small and go inside an atom.

364 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:39:12am

re: #361 Kragar

Farmers Told To Buy Insurance If They Don’t Want To Get Sued By Corporations

All businesses are equal, but some businesses are more equal than others.

365 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:45:32am

re: #364 Eventual Carrion

All businesses are equal, but some businesses are more equal than others.

Free Market!!!

366 b_sharp  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:46:17am

If we all stomp our feet in unison, you think we'd get a new thread?

367 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:48:13am

re: #366 Inconsequential Consequence

If we all stomp our feet in unison, you think we'd get a new thread?

Not sure
But I do know the people living downstairs would be annoyed!

368 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:56:32am
369 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 10:57:03am

OMGWTFBBQ!!!!

Socialism/Communism right here in the White House in 1944!

Roosevelt was a damn communist! Just more proof of the evil desecration of American values Obama wants to inflict upon this country! Because...

///

370 dragonath  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:11:53am

Inside the 'Romney Readiness Project,' the ambitious plans for an unrealized administration

The extensive and well-prepared operation resembled the inner workings of Bain Capital, the venture capital firm founded by Romney, according to multiple sources associated with the transition, who asked not to be identified to more candidly discuss the process.

and today...

"I won't say who they are. They know who they are. They were on television. I mean, it was unbelievable. It was five, six days later, absolutely eviscerating him."

-- Former Romney adviser Dan Senor, quoted by CNN, saying it was "stunning" how Romney staffers "preened for administration positions when they thought Romney would win but then turned on the candidate as soon as he lost the election."

371 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:13:41am

re: #370 dragonath

Ain't human nature a bitch?...

372 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:13:57am

re: #370 dragonath

Inside the 'Romney Readiness Project,' the ambitious plans for an unrealized administration

and today...

Just like the corporate world. Once the pack leader is no longer obviously top-dog the knives come out. I don't recall loyalty being considered a virtue in the free market...
:p

373 Lidane  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:15:01am

The war inside the GOP is just getting started:

Social conservatives say they deserve seat at table in retooled GOP

Republicans have always likened their party to a three-legged stool, one leg representing economic conservatives, one representing national security conservatives, and one representing social conservatives — all acting in concert to support the party. And social conservatives are arguing that opposition to same-sex marriage and abortion rights, among other issues, are as intrinsic to the Republican Party’s identity as ever.

In their reading of the election, Mitt Romney’s strict focus on economic issues and a refusal to engage President Barack Obama on social issues helped fuel his loss to the Democratic incumbent.

“If you have a party that says not to talk about social issues, it’s going to be awfully hard to convince an electorate of why we should celebrate life,” said Bob Vander Plaats, the evangelical leader in Iowa who played an influential role in that state’s caucuses earlier this year.


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