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Cease-Fire Declared in Gaza

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A cease-fire has just gone into effect between Israel and Hamas

CAIRO — Israel and Hamas agreed to a cease-fire on Wednesday, the eighth day of lethal fighting over the Gaza Strip, the United States and Egypt said after intensive negotiations in Cairo.

The cease-fire, to take effect at 9 p.m. local time (2 p.m. E.S.T.), was formally announced by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Foreign Minister Mohamed Amr of Egypt at a news conference here. The agreement was aimed at quieting an escalating aerial battle between Palestinians and Israelis that had threatened to turn into an Israeli ground invasion of Gaza.

Whether the cease-fire could hold was uncertain at best, and even in the minutes leading up to the effective start time, both sides were firing at each other.

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55 comments

1 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:07:53am

Hope this holds. I want to enjoy a safe and fabulous trip!

2 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:08:52am

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

Hope this holds. I want to enjoy a safe and fabulous trip!

trip or not, I agree

3 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:15:10am

...but not before they got a chance to blow up a passenger bus!

4 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:15:14am
5 philosophus invidius  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:15:36am

Good news. But I do hope that it was not the bus bombing was successful in forcing the issue. That would be a bad precedent.

6 philosophus invidius  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:16:29am

The Times article doesn't reveal the terms of the cease-fire.

7 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:18:17am

re: #6 philosophus invidius

The Times article doesn't reveal the terms of the cease-fire.

Nobody seems to be mentioning that. I suppose Gaza was running out of missiles and Israel's target list was getting short. Presto! cease fire

8 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:18:40am

re: #6 philosophus invidius

The Times article doesn't reveal the terms of the cease-fire.

From NBCNews:

According to the cease-fire agreement: Israel will stop attacks on Gaza by land, sea and air and stop incursions and targeted assassinations; Palestinian factions will stop hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel; Israel will ease the movement of people and goods at border-crossing areas.

9 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:19:21am

Celebratory small arms fire in Gaza, "allahu ackbar"- type announcement being read.

10 philosophus invidius  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:20:42am

What Hamas wanted out of this was to end the land and sea blockade of Gaza. Until we know the details of the deal, we won't know who capitulated.

11 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:20:59am

re: #6 philosophus invidius

Via YNet:

According to a copy of the agreement obtained by The Associated Press, Israel and all Palestinian militant groups agreed to halt "all hostilities." For the Palestinians, that means an end to Israeli airstrikes and assassinations of wanted militants. For Israel, it brings a halt to rocket fire and attempts at cross-border incursions from Gaza.

After a 24-hour cooling off period, it calls for "opening the crossings and facilitating the movement of people and transfer of goods, and refraining from restricting residents free movement."

Hamas members said details on the new border arrangements would have to be negotiated.

Israel imposed its blockade of Gaza after Hamas, a terror group sworn to Israel's destruction, seized control of the territory five years ago. It has gradually eased the closure, but continues to restrict the movement of certain goods through Israeli-controlled crossings. Among the restrictions: a near-complete ban on exports, limited movement of people leaving the territory, and limits on construction materials that Israel says could be used for military use.

The deal was vague on what limits Israel would lift, and whether Gaza's southern passenger terminal on the Egyptian border would be expanded to allow cargo to pass through as well. The deal was also unclear about a key Israeli demand for an end to arms smuggling into Gaza in tunnels underneath the border with Egypt.

Under the agreement, Egypt will play a key role. It said "Egypt shall receive assurances from each party" that they are committed to the deal.

"Each party shall commit itself not to perform any acts that would break this understanding," it adds. "In case of any observations, Egypt - as the sponsor of this understanding - shall be informed to follow up."

It's sufficiently vague that everyone will read into it what they want. And that means to expect Hamas to claim that it's been violated when Israel doesn't lift the blockade and they go back to firing weapons as justification - and Israel will in turn resume attacks based on Hamas violence.

12 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:20:59am

[Link: 12160.info...]
Celebrating ceasefire with gunfire is kind of missing the point

13 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:21:05am

I expect things are back to a sort of status quo.

Blockade continues in place. Hamas stops tossing rockets for a few days and starts smuggling new ones in or constructing more. Infrastructure and building repairs begin.

And then in a day or two a rocket or two gets launched which Hamas blames on zealots.

Things stay semi-quiet for a few weeks or months and then the things start ratcheting back up. Probably combined with a few attempts at border raids, suicide bombings, or kidnapping Israeli soldiers.

14 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:24:01am

re: #12 Killgore Trout

[Link: 12160.info...]
Celebrating ceasefire with gunfire is kind of missing the point

"Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity." Carlin and others

15 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:24:23am
16 dragonath  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:28:24am

Jeez Killgore, it's a shitty thing, but do you want to see a cease fire or not?

17 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:31:40am

re: #13 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

I expect things are back to a sort of status quo.

Blockade continues in place. Hamas stops tossing rockets for a few days and starts smuggling new ones in or constructing more. Infrastructure and building repairs begin.

And then in a day or two a rocket or two gets launched which Hamas blames on zealots.

Things stay semi-quiet for a few weeks or months and then the things start ratcheting back up. Probably combined with a few attempts at border raids, suicide bombings, or kidnapping Israeli soldiers.

unfortunately, this is the scenario I see repeating until the Second Coming of Christ...

18 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:32:55am

re: #16 dragonath

Jeez Killgore, it's a shitty thing, but do you want to see a cease fire or not?

To answer questions like this I like to think about what most lizards want to see done and then assume his answer is the opposite.

19 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:34:36am

re: #17 Sol Berdinowitz

unfortunately, this is the scenario I see repeating until the Second Coming of Christ...

If what Killgore linked to in #15 is true it is what is going to happen.

Change of the situation in Gaza has to come from within unless Israel is willing to do something very extreme and arguably not in their best interests.

And it appears that neither the leadership (Hamas) or citizenry in the Gaza Strip are currently being very concerned about breaking the cycle of insanity.

20 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:35:07am

Only in Gaza do you have people celebrating the side that continues to take the heavier toll - whether in casualties or material losses. Buildings and infrastructure damaged, terrorists eliminated, missile inventories reduced (both by firing them at Israel and by IDF strikes eliminating them before they could be fired).

They've continuing to live the delusion that they somehow win every time they fight Israel.

But that mindset is why Israel can't actually win a war against Hamas or Fatah - their enemy simply doesn't cast victory in the same terms. Fighting Israel to a stalemate is a win. Losing is winning. Enduring more casualties is winning. Inflicting casualties (as limited as they are) on Israel is winning. Getting Israel to hit civilians is winning.

And Hamas' long term goal remains intact - seeking Israel's destruction and indoctrinating yet another generation to that view. Hamas' leadership remains largely intact as well - as many of their top leaders aren't exactly leading from the front.

Addendum: More to the point, Hamas and Gazans claim win even as they didn't achieve anything they sought in the latest round (end of blockade, opening up crossings to unfettered access, etc.)

21 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:36:00am
22 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:38:52am

re: #20 lawhawk

Only in Gaza do you have people celebrating the side that continues to take the heavier toll - whether in casualties or material losses. Buildings and infrastructure damaged, terrorists eliminated, missile inventories reduced (both by firing them at Israel and by IDF strikes eliminating them before they could be fired).

They've continuing to live the delusion that they somehow win every time they fight Israel.

But that mindset is why Israel can't actually win a war against Hamas or Fatah - their enemy simply doesn't cast victory in the same terms. Fighting Israel to a stalemate is a win. Losing is winning. Enduring more casualties is winning. Inflicting casualties (as limited as they are) on Israel is winning. Getting Israel to hit civilians is winning.

And Hamas' long term goal remains intact - seeking Israel's destruction and indoctrinating yet another generation to that view. Hamas' leadership remains largely intact as well - as many of their top leaders aren't exactly leading from the front.

When did the definition of "victory" change to "The Side That Has The Most Civilian Casualties WINS!"

And the winner is: SYRIA!

23 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:41:50am

re: #20 lawhawk

They've continuing to live the delusion that they somehow win every time they fight Israel.

...and that's why they'll keep doing this again and again.

24 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:43:47am

Hamas spokesman giving speech now about the great Israeli defeat.
[Link: 12160.info...]

25 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:46:51am

Tease!

26 dragonath  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:47:35am

re: #25 Four More Tears

Tease!

[Embedded content]

THEY FOUND THE MONOLITH

IT'S A CONSPIRACY

27 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:47:54am

re: #25 Four More Tears

Tease!

[Embedded content]

Jimmy Hoffa

28 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:47:58am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

[Embedded content]

Just another in a long line of Arab military victories against Israel/// Some things are beyond predictable.

29 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:48:08am

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

Jimmy Hoffa

and he's alive.

30 Alexzander  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:48:11am

re: #26 dragonath

THEY FOUND THE MONOLITH

IT'S A CONSPIRACY

God I wish.

31 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:48:41am

re: #25 Four More Tears

I'm thinking it has to do with finding organic compounds that could only indicate the existence of the building blocks of life on Mars. They're probably trying to confirm that it wasn't the result of cross-contamination from Curiosity and that will take a bit of time.

If it does find that, it's a huge development.

33 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:49:50am

re: #26 dragonath

They found the Utopia Planitia shipyards left by the Greys, and which are subsequently used by the UFP to build its fleet.

34 dragonath  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:50:20am

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Hamas spokesman giving speech now about the great Israeli defeat.
[Link: 12160.info...]

Funny how you excoriate the Occupy movement but now you're linking to the freakiest Occupy sites imaginable.

35 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:50:31am

re: #31 lawhawk

*sigh* I mailed a check to intrade in the middle of last week. So it has to get to Ireland and then they hold it for ten days. I could be making money :(

36 Alexzander  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:50:37am

re: #33 lawhawk

They found the Utopia Planitia shipyards left by the Greys, and which are subsequently used by the UFP to build its fleet.

I bet they make the announcement on .... Dec 21.

37 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:50:51am

re: #26 dragonath

THEY FOUND THE MONOLITH

IT'S A CONSPIRACY

Marvin.

38 Alexzander  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:51:45am

They are covering the Hamas press conference on aljazeera is you want to avoid the sketchy Occupy site.

39 dragonath  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:53:12am

NASA discovers Illudium Phosdex, The Shaving Atom

40 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 11:59:37am

re: #20 lawhawk

Only in Gaza do you have people celebrating the side that continues to take the heavier toll - whether in casualties or material losses. Buildings and infrastructure damaged, terrorists eliminated, missile inventories reduced (both by firing them at Israel and by IDF strikes eliminating them before they could be fired).

They've continuing to live the delusion that they somehow win every time they fight Israel.

But that mindset is why Israel can't actually win a war against Hamas or Fatah - their enemy simply doesn't cast victory in the same terms. Fighting Israel to a stalemate is a win. Losing is winning. Enduring more casualties is winning. Inflicting casualties (as limited as they are) on Israel is winning. Getting Israel to hit civilians is winning.

And Hamas' long term goal remains intact - seeking Israel's destruction and indoctrinating yet another generation to that view. Hamas' leadership remains largely intact as well - as many of their top leaders aren't exactly leading from the front.

Addendum: More to the point, Hamas and Gazans claim win even as they didn't achieve anything they sought in the latest round (end of blockade, opening up crossings to unfettered access, etc.)

That may be about as insightful and analysis of the situation as I have come across.

41 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 12:00:04pm

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

1948?

42 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 12:00:37pm

re: #41 sliv_the_eli

1948?

1945: JAPAN WINS!

43 abolitionist  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 12:00:51pm

The Hamas Charter essentially formalizes a policy of genocide and/or perpetual warfare against Israel. IMHO, this must change.

44 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 12:02:08pm

re: #42 Vicious Babushka

1945: JAPAN WINS!

Statistically, I think the Soviet Union won that one.

45 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 12:03:34pm

re: #43 abolitionist

Unfortunately, it won't. And the West will continue to downplay it and the legacy media will continue to ignore this reality, all the while trying to tell us, despite all the objective evidence to the contrary, how the need to govern will cause Hamas to be more moderate.

46 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 12:20:02pm

re: #45 sliv_the_eli

Unfortunately, it won't. And the West will continue to downplay it and the legacy media will continue to ignore this reality, all the while trying to tell us, despite all the objective evidence to the contrary, how the need to govern will cause Hamas to be more moderate.

Really? The "legacy media" is ignoring that?

Then why did I just hear Anderson Cooper on CNN asking Palestinian spokeswoman Hanan Ashrawi about exactly that?

I've heard numerous discussions of Hamas's rejection of Israel's right to exist since this conflict began. I don't think you're seeing the reality -- the media are not ignoring this at all.

47 stabby  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 1:44:30pm

Hello everyone.
I've been reading this site every day during the election.

I just registered so that I could point out that there's already been 12 rockets fired into Israel as of 2 hours ago since the "ceasefire" started.

[Link: hurryupharry.org...]

48 abolitionist  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 1:51:50pm

re: #47 stabby

Welcome.

49 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 1:58:55pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Really? The "legacy media" is ignoring that?

Then why did I just hear Anderson Cooper on CNN asking Palestinian spokeswoman Hanan Ashrawi about exactly that?

I've heard numerous discussions of Hamas's rejection of Israel's right to exist since this conflict began. I don't think you're seeing the reality -- the media are not ignoring this at all.

There are, and have always been, notable examples of those in the legacy media who admirably perform their jobs. However, long years of experience suggest that the media largely cites the provisions in the Hamas charter calling for genocide against Jews in a pro forma fashion and then proceed to ignore what Hamas actually says it stands for and argue that Hamas will be "moderated" by its need to deliver services to the population that it governs.

Will this change after the latest round of conflict? If past rounds of conflict are any guide, the answer is that it probably will not and that once the "dust settles", the legacy media will return to the same misleading cliches with which it has previously reported on the subject.

I would be happy to be proven wrong, but after three-plus decades as a student and analyst of Middle Eastern affairs, I am not sanguine about the likelihood of that happening.

50 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 2:11:05pm

re: #47 stabby

Hello everyone.
I've been reading this site every day during the election.

I just registered so that I could point out that there's already been 12 rockets fired into Israel as of 2 hours ago since the "ceasefire" started.

[Link: hurryupharry.org...]

Where's Rapey?

51 stabby  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 2:53:16pm

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

Er, I don't have an answer for that. I just wanted to see if my avatar shows up now.

52 kmg  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 3:26:43pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Everything is a victory for them. It's surreal.

53 stabby  Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:24:09pm

There have been more rockets. 20 in 3 hours. That's a rate of about 7 per hour.

During the attack 1500 rockets were fired in 149 hours for a rate of 10 per hour.

So the definition of "cease fire" is 1/3 less rockets. Congratulations, Israel!

54 Flavia  Thu, Nov 22, 2012 10:31:50pm

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

From NBCNews:

According to the cease-fire agreement: Israel will stop attacks on Gaza by land, sea and air and stop incursions and targeted assassinations; Palestinian factions will stop hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel; Israel will ease the movement of people and goods at border-crossing areas.

IOW, Hamas will get what it wants in exchange for stopping what it did in order to get all the restrictions that it wants lifted in the first place....

55 daliarose  Fri, Nov 23, 2012 9:52:10am

Speaking as someone who loves Israel and has lived there, and as a Republican, I think the question must be asked, what was the purpose of the bombing? I'm not questioning Israel's right to do it. What I'm questioning is the purpose. It is unlikely this will stop a future round of rocket attacks from Gaza. On the other hand, most people did not want a full-scale invasion. We have to ask ourselves whether bombing Gaza is worth the cost in human lives, parituclarly since it will not achieve anything to help Israel.
I do not know what the solution is, but I think we must find a different one. Again, this is from an Orthodox Jew who is a Republican who loves Israel and has lived there.
P.S. Obama is NOT the problem.


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