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1 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 3:35:39pm

Very different from Hobo with a shotgun!

2 Randall Gross  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 3:39:38pm

The singing set my teeth on edge too much, but the video itself was very well done.

3 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 3:44:17pm

re: #1 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate

I wonder what the movie would have been like had he bought the lawn mower instead.

4 efuseakay  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 3:48:05pm

Transparent aluminum can save it!

5 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 3:49:43pm

For a second I was a little worried he was going to go all Hitcher on the whale.

6 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 3:51:23pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

For a second I was a little worried he was going to go all Hitcher on the whale.

I was thinking he was gonna break the whales fingers, but the whale has no fingers. So I was, like, cool.

7 Interesting Times  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 3:55:05pm
8 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:01:16pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

For a second I was a little worried he was going to go all Hitcher on the whale.

Or you could do it the really bloody old-fashioned way. (To see the relevance to whales, skip to #1 at the end of the article.)

9 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:10:14pm

re: #8 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Or you could do it the really bloody old-fashioned way. (To see the relevance to whales, skip to #1 at the end of the article.)

Sorry about the downding.. My stupid ass touchpad clicks whatever it wants sometimes.

10 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:10:41pm

re: #9 A Man for all Seasons

Sorry about the downding.. My stupid ass touchpad clicks whatever it wants sometimes.

Eh, it's alright. I have that happen on this laptop all the time.

11 dragonfire1981  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:12:27pm

re: #9 A Man for all Seasons

Sorry about the downding.. My stupid ass touchpad clicks whatever it wants sometimes.

I'm glad it's not just me. I'm digging this SIII but man the keypad is picky.

12 Gus  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:15:35pm

Cue the wingnuts!

13 Gus  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:16:16pm

Personal life

Hauer is a dedicated environmentalist. He fought for the release of Sea Shepherd Conservation Society leader, Paul Watson, who was convicted in 1994 for sinking a Norwegian whaling vessel. Hauer has also established an AIDS awareness organization called the Rutger Hauer Starfish Association.

14 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:17:47pm

re: #12 Gus

Cue the wingnuts!

GET.HIM.

15 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:18:03pm

re: #12 Gus

Cue the wingnuts!

Send in the clowns?

16 Gus  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:18:38pm

re: #14 Henchman Ghazi-808

GET.HIM.

Now that he's featured in this video at LGF he'll be black listed by the mouth breathers.

17 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:20:42pm

re: #16 Gus

Now that he's featured in this video at LGF he'll be black listed by the mouth breathers.

Yeah, but that can only improve one's business.

18 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:30:44pm

re: #11 dragonfire1981

I'm glad it's not just me. I'm digging this SIII but man the keypad is picky.

It's android, DL a different keyboard.

19 TedStriker  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:34:18pm

re: #13 Gus

Personal life

I'm sorry, but anyone who supports or works with moonbat orgs like Sea Shephard shows they're just as full of DERP as the wingnuts who subscribe to Dominionism and would let the world burn/drown.

It's possible for humans and the rest of nature to co-exist (and for us to continue to evolve technologically and socially) without us humans going off either deep end.

It doesn't have to be a "us (humans) or them (the rest of nature)" proposition.

20 Gus  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:35:07pm

Oh well. Time to log off.

21 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:37:10pm

re: #2 Randall Gross

The singing set my teeth on edge too much, but the video itself was very well done.

Yeah, the song was awful, but some people like that noise music.

22 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:40:04pm

re: #3 Amory Blaine

Perfection.

23 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:40:34pm

re: #4 efuseakay

Transparent aluminum can save it!

Admiral! Thar be whales here!

//

24 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:43:28pm

Let's see, 240,000 blue whales in just the Antarctic group 100 years ago, 10,000 world wide now.

Nothing to be concerned about.

25 Gus  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:52:13pm

Rutger Hauer's notes on this video:

Rutger's Notes:

'The slaughter of whales as a source of food is so outdated. Just because that is what they have always done? Tradition? Come on, now! People are the worst type of animal. One day, during a trip in a canoe, I literally looked straight into the eye of a whale. It is something that every man on Earth should experience. We must not be allowed to destroy these beautiful creatures. The consequences would be enormous. This is how we got around to the theme for Requiem 2019. Sil and I simply had to make something to stop people hunting down these wonderful creatures. I can’t go along with Sea Shepherd during their campaign. It’s better for me to do what I do best, and here it is!'

Ooga booga!

26 TedStriker  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:59:11pm

re: #25 Gus

Rutger Hauer's notes on this video:

Ooga booga!

FFS, Gus, how about you refresh my post that apparently got you so hot and bothered?

IMO, orgs like Sea Shephard, PETA, (the old) Greenpeace do more harm than good in the name of "environmentalism", because they can get so loony and so extreme with their actions and positions sometimes that most people can't relate to them or what they're trying to do and that turns people off to being more responsible with nature.

I'm a bit old-school; we are here to enjoy nature while we can, but we should also be good stewards, to make sure that it's around for the future. Leave wherever you go better than you found it and take only footsteps (and pictures) whenever possible.

27 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:11:52pm

re: #19 TedStriker

It doesn't have to be a "us (humans) or them (the rest of nature)" proposition.

The trouble is, that's exactly what we humans have made it. The number of species is dropping at a rate only seen in previous mass extinction events.

28 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:15:05pm

"Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children." - Ancient Indian proverb

29 Turkey Jihad  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:24:11pm

re: #24 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Let's see, 240,000 blue whales in just the Antarctic group 100 years ago, 10,000 world wide now.

Nothing to be concerned about.

Blame it on gay marriage.
//

30 BongCrodny  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:30:20pm

re: #24 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Let's see, 240,000 blue whales in just the Antarctic group 100 years ago, 10,000 world wide now.

Nothing to be concerned about.

So in other words, if we get one of those Star Trek doomsday machine probes that wants a blue whale song, we're fucked.

31 TedStriker  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:30:23pm

re: #27 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

The trouble is, that's exactly what we humans have made it. The number of species is dropping at a rate only seen in previous mass extinction events.

I wish I had the answers to these problems, but I don't and no one may ever have them; the only solution I can think of is for humanity, as a species, to come to an understanding that as we harm nature and the earth, we're putting our own existence in grave peril, and for us to come up with some course of action to mitigate our impact on the environment as much as possible without sending us all back to a pre-Industrial Revolution society (and all of its attending problems and ills).

We have the technology, we have the knowledge, and both are growing all the time; we must do something, but people need to be comfortable enough to get on board with it.

32 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:31:44pm

re: #30 BongCrodny

So in other words, if we get one of those Star Trek doomsday machine probes that wants a blue whale song, we're fucked.

We just use a stolen Bird of Prey to travel back to San Francisco, circa 1986.

//

33 BongCrodny  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:32:23pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

We just use a stolen Bird of Prey to travel back to San Francisco, circa 1986.

//

Happens all the time, right?

34 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:33:12pm

re: #33 BongCrodny

Happens all the time, right?

Got one parked in my backyard. Had to stop using it as the daily driver, the dilithium prices were killing my budget.

//

35 TedStriker  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:35:43pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

Got one parked in my backyard. Had to stop using it as the daily driver, the dilithium prices were killing my budget.

//

And now you won't have the USS Enterprise around to harvest high-energy particles to be able to recrystallize those crappy Klingon crystals...

:sad:

36 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:36:57pm

re: #35 TedStriker

And now you won't have the USS Enterprise around to be able to recrystallize those crappy Klingon crystals...

:sad:

Marty, you're not thinking fourth dimensionally. In 1986, the Enterprise will be there, in Alameda. With the other nuclear wessels.

//

37 TedStriker  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:39:14pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Marty, you're not thinking fourth dimensionally. In 1986, the Enterprise will be there, in Alameda. With the other nuclear wessels.

//

Hrmmm...tru dat.

///

38 Bubblehead II  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:42:04pm

{cloak off} Evening Lizards.
Did someone mention Dilithium? {cloak on}

39 Randall Gross  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:47:28pm

Hey, reminder for Leverage fans, new episodes of that and Rizzoli & Isles start up on Tuesday, set the tivos.

40 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:50:53pm

re: #24 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Let's see, 240,000 blue whales in just the Antarctic group 100 years ago, 10,000 world wide now.

Nothing to be concerned about.

The good news is that hunting blue whales has been banned for decades and that ban is adhered to. So they got a chance now.

41 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:53:45pm

re: #38 Bubblehead II

{cloak off} Evening Lizards.
Did someone mention Dilithium? {cloak on}

"Where's that damn torpedo?"

"She's ready, Jim! Lock and laod!"

"Fire!"

42 TedStriker  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 6:08:39pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

"Where's that damn torpedo?"

"She's ready, Jim! Lock and load!"

"Fire!"

[Embedded content]

Chang: I am as constant as the Northern Star!
McCoy: (to Spock) I'd give real money if he'd shut up!

43 Lidane  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 6:16:31pm

re: #7 Interesting Times

On a related note, the Star Wars version of Angry Birds is hilarious.

44 Ziggy Standard  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 6:55:20pm

Well, bedtime here. Two days off in a row starting tomorrow yaay :)

45 researchok  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:06:38pm

re: #44 Ayeless in Ghazi

I'm sure you'll make early morning Vespers.

///

46 efuseakay  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:17:06pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

Admiral! Thar be whales here!

//

Where are the nuclear wessles?

47 freetoken  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:20:08pm

Seems on-topic:

Dueling protests in Tokyo over dolphin and whale hunts

Environmentalists and nationalists held opposing rallies over the issue of Japan’s dolphin and whale hunts in a rare showdown in central Tokyo on Saturday, leading to angry scenes.

About 50 anti-whaling activists gathered at a park in the Shibuya shopping district with banners bearing slogans such as “Stop the cruel dolphin hunt!” while across the street about 30 nationalists shouted “Get out of Japan!”

The nationalists accused the environmentalists of undermining Japanese culture and traditions, saying “environmental terrorists” should be sent to slaughter houses.

[...]

48 freetoken  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:25:59pm

No, the GOP hasn't really learned anything:

Virginia lawmaker wants to stiffen new voter-ID law

49 Lidane  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:30:55pm

re: #48 freetoken

No, the GOP hasn't really learned anything:

Virginia lawmaker wants to stiffen new voter-ID law

The GOP won't learn anything until they nominate a fire-breathing True Believer for President and still lose.

50 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:35:42pm

re: #48 freetoken

No, the GOP hasn't really learned anything:

Virginia lawmaker wants to stiffen new voter-ID law

Not surprising, really. They think the problem is that they just didn't discourage enough people from the polls. See also: Walker's proposal to abolish Wisconsin's laws allowing election day registration at the polls.

51 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:42:46pm

re: #47 freetoken

Seems on-topic:

Dueling protests in Tokyo over dolphin and whale hunts

Subtitle: Japan isolates self, burns good will with its neighbors.

This second is true owing to how badly Japanese "nationalists" are seen by other nations, even nations as far away as the UK. For it was under the banner of that same chauvinistic nationalism that Japan conquered, tortured, and murdered between 1931 and 1945. And though such times are long past, the nations that suffered from Japan's misdeeds do not forget those deeds. The biggest thing Japanese nationalists achieve is to remind other nations of how Japan wronged them and that Japan isn't really sorry for having done so.

52 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:43:59pm

Really, every one of us who said the GOP wouldn't learn anything from this past election are being proven right. The GOP is pretty much ignoring the rebuke they've been given by the voters and are pressing ahead with the policies they ran on, whether it be repealing Obamacare, making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, or hacking away at the social safety net. But why wouldn't they, when their wingnut base is making up all sorts of excuses for why the GOP didn't lose because of its Gilded Age message, but rather because the Democrats are simply "better" at stacking the deck?

53 Bubblehead II  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:47:02pm

{cloak off}

Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice, smile down upon you and yours.

{cloak on}

54 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:47:26pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Not surprising, really. They think the problem is that they just didn't discourage enough people from the polls. See also: Walker's proposal to abolish Wisconsin's laws allowing election day registration at the polls.

That last I can see as a decent idea. Same day registration seems to me a mistake.

55 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:48:23pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

That last I can see as a decent idea. Same day registration seems to me a mistake.

How?

56 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:49:09pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

Japan isn't really sorry for having done so.

Wow, you seldom pass up a chance to generalize about entire countries.

57 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:50:51pm

re: #53 Bubblehead II

{cloak off}

Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice, smile down upon you and yours.

{cloak on}

My chosen deity smiles up.

58 Lidane  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:53:28pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

That last I can see as a decent idea. Same day registration seems to me a mistake.

It's only a mistake for Republicans.

59 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:02:26pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

How?

It's better if there is a week or two to run the name through the system, both to make things easier for the election judges and to ensure the person is who they say they are. I'm not talking about some sort of new and intrusive procedure, just normal vetting.

I'd settle for amending the same-day law to allow for the casting of a provisional ballot by those registering same day, since that would allow for the normal vetting. Would that be acceptable to you?

60 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:06:43pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

It's better if there is a week or two to run the name through the system, both to make things easier for the election judges and to ensure the person is who they say they are. I'm not talking about some sort of new and intrusive procedure, just normal vetting.

I'd settle for amending the same-day law to allow for the casting of a provisional ballot by those registering same day, since that would allow for the normal vetting. Would that be acceptable to you?

Is this all just hypothetical for you or is there real world proven fraud occurring?

61 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:08:41pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

That last I can see as a decent idea. Same day registration seems to me a mistake.

Only if you hate people being able to vote, DF.

I worked as an election inspector this year and spent the day registering voters. The requirements for proof of residency are actually much stiffer for same day than if you register 20+ days before the election since, in fact, you don't even need to prove your residency unlike for same day registration.

It was a reform intended to increase voter turn out. And it has, generally by at least 10% for a fall General Election. It is in place in all three states with the highest voter turn out in America - Wisconsin, Minnesota & Maine.

62 Interesting Times  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:09:34pm

Buying a gun with no ID and no background check whenever you want = FREEDOM!!1!

Registering to vote on the same day? OMGMarxistKenyanACORNfraudHerpityDerpityDerp

63 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:09:52pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

Is this all just hypothetical for you or is there real world proven fraud occurring?

I'd say more 'potential' than 'hypothetical'. That's why I floated the idea of provisional ballots. That would allow someone registering same-day to cast a vote, while still answering any fraud concerns. It would provide security without keeping people from voting.

64 Lidane  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:10:33pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

What rubbish. We have computers and technology. Most ID and drivers licenses have magnetic strips on the back and ways of being validated that can be done instantly. The only reason to try any of the things you suggest is to disqualify voters and disenfranchise people.

It's been shown that voter turnout is higher in states with same-day registration. In both 2004 and 2006, turnout was anywhere from 10-12% higher in states with Election Day registration than in states that don't have it. Of course, as we saw this year, higher turnout hurts the GOP, so I can see why you wouldn't want that.

65 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:10:52pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

The only fraud happening in Wisconsin is Republican staffers voting absentee at home & at the polls in Madison. They got caught.

And yes, our registrations go through a database keyed on drivers licenses. If you show up voting twice, see above, you're looking at 3 years & $10,000 if the judge is in a bad mood.

66 freetoken  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:12:26pm

And here you thought science was boring:

The three episodes are available here:

[Link: www.earthtouch.tv...]

67 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:12:40pm

re: #62 Interesting Times

Buying a gun with no ID and no background check whenever you want = FREEDOM!!1!

Registering to vote on the same day? OMGMarxistKenyanACORNfraudHerpityDerpityDerp

Did I say anything about background checks for firearms? I don't believe I did. Kindly address what I'm speaking about, please. I'm Dark_Falcon. not 'Generic Wingnut'.

68 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:13:45pm

re: #65 William Barnett-Lewis

The only fraud happening in Wisconsin is Republican staffers voting absentee at home & at the polls in Madison. They got caught.

And yes, our registrations go through a database keyed on drivers licenses. If you show up voting twice, see above, you're looking at 3 years & $10,000 if the judge is in a bad mood.

I do hope said staffers are given jail time. Double voting angers me greatly, and my anger does not diminish if its Republicans who got caught doing it.

69 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:13:54pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

It's better if there is a week or two to run the name through the system, both to make things easier for the election judges and to ensure the person is who they say they are. I'm not talking about some sort of new and intrusive procedure, just normal vetting.

I'd settle for amending the same-day law to allow for the casting of a provisional ballot by those registering same day, since that would allow for the normal vetting. Would that be acceptable to you?

Considering that this has been going on in Wisconsin for 40+ years and it has not resulted in verifiable voter fraud? No, not it would not be acceptable.

70 freetoken  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:15:47pm

They use Vimeo as the the video server... let's see if I can post it here:

71 Interesting Times  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:18:00pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

Kindly address what I'm speaking about, please. I'm Dark_Falcon. not 'Generic Wingnut'.

When you advance a generic wingnut position, expect to be called out on it.

And yes, there is something bitterly ironic about wingnuts in general wanting to make it easier to buy firearms and harder to vote.

72 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:24:32pm

Work has been nuts lately so I haven't had time to post. Matter of fact, I have to do a drive by post because I work at midnight. Today is my 7 year anniversary here. Woot!!

73 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:28:59pm

re: #72 King of the Douche, now you may bow

Work has been nuts lately so I haven't had time to post. Matter of fact, I have to do a drive by post because I work at midnight. Today is my 7 year anniversary here. Woot!!

Congrats. I'm glad you've been here, as you've been a decent man whom I enjoy corresponding with here.

74 freetoken  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:35:56pm

Several days ago, when the Gaza missile action was ongoing and was the center of attention here, I raised as an example of how overlooked (by the American audience) so much of the world can be by raising the fire going on in a major slum in Bangladesh.

Sure enough:

Official: At least 100 dead in Bangladesh fire

An official says firefighters have recovered 100 bodies after a fire raced through a multi-story garment factory just outside Bangladesh's capital.

Fire department Operations Director Maj. Mohammad Mahbub told The Associated Press that they recovered the bodies after the fire broke out late Saturday at the factory.

He says the factory, located just outside of Dhaka, was operated by Tazreen Fashions.

Many more people died in this fire than did from poorly aimed missiles raining down in Israel.

These kind of things happen all the time. What we take for granted here in the US - fire codes, on-call fire fighting and rescue - are luxuries that the poor in the world can't afford, all the while they produce the clothes for our backs.

75 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:40:07pm

re: #74 freetoken

Several days ago, when the Gaza missile action was ongoing and was the center of attention here, I raised as an example of how overlooked (by the American audience) so much of the world can be by raising the fire going on in a major slum in Bangladesh.

Sure enough:

Official: At least 100 dead in Bangladesh fire

Many more people died in this fire than did from poorly aimed missiles raining down in Israel.

These kind of things happen all the time. What we take for granted here in the US - fire codes, on-call fire fighting and rescue - are luxuries that the poor in the world can't afford, all the while they produce the clothes for our backs.

Well, that certainly brings up memories of past discussion topics.

76 Mattand  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:40:37pm

re: #74 freetoken

These kind of things happen all the time. What we take for granted here in the US - fire codes, on-call fire fighting and rescue - are luxuries that the poor in the world can't afford, all the while they produce the clothes for our backs.

And America's track record in that department ain't exactly stellar.

77 Mattand  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:41:52pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Jinx!

78 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:44:06pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Well, that certainly brings up memories of past discussion topics.

re: #76 Mattand

And America's track record in that department ain't exactly stellar.

Thing is, I very much doubt that the sort of public shock and protest to the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire will spring up in countries that rely upon such conditions to compete against other nations that operate industry under similar conditions. Gone are the days when people thought that industry should be profitable and safe.

79 Gus  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:44:21pm

re: #74 freetoken

Several days ago, when the Gaza missile action was ongoing and was the center of attention here, I raised as an example of how overlooked (by the American audience) so much of the world can be by raising the fire going on in a major slum in Bangladesh.

Sure enough:

Official: At least 100 dead in Bangladesh fire

Many more people died in this fire than did from poorly aimed missiles raining down in Israel.

These kind of things happen all the time. What we take for granted here in the US - fire codes, on-call fire fighting and rescue - are luxuries that the poor in the world can't afford, all the while they produce the clothes for our backs.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

80 Mattand  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:49:04pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

re: #76 Mattand

Thing is, I very much doubt that the sort of public shock and protest to the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire will spring up in countries that rely upon such conditions to compete against other nations that operate industry under similar conditions. Gone are the days when people thought that industry should be profitable and safe.

I would imagine the cost of actually safeprooing those environments so people don't die would suddenly make them less attractive financially.

I used to freelance at a marketing studio and actually had one of the owners bitch to me about the cost of adding fire alarms to the top floor where we production artists worked. Genuinely pissed off that protecting people was costing his family money.

This was in suburban Philadelphia. I can't imagine what it's like in India or China.

81 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:49:37pm

re: #77 Mattand

Jinx!

Kindly take that back. I've had more than my share of ill fortune this year.

82 Mattand  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:51:44pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Kindly take that back. I've had more than my share of ill fortune this year.

Um, I was referring to the two of us posting the same thought within 30 seconds.

83 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:52:52pm

re: #82 Mattand

Um, I was referring to the two of us posting the same thought within 30 seconds.

I know, I'm just worried at times these days.

84 Mattand  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 8:57:55pm

In other news, maybe the good people in Egypt are going to knock Morsi down a peg or two:

Egyptian Judges Challenge Morsi Over New Power

Also found on the front page of the New York Times: apparently Ke$ha's new album is leaning towards rock rather than pop. Slow news weekend, I guess.

85 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 9:00:29pm

re: #84 Mattand

In other news, maybe the good people in Egypt are going to knock Morsi down a peg or two:

Egyptian Judges Challenge Morsi Over New Power

Also found on the front page of the New York Times: apparently Ke$ha's new album is leaning towards rock rather than pop. Slow news weekend, I guess.

Morsi seemed to think that his part in negotiating the ceasefire gave him some sort of political capital that he could use to essentially install himself as dictator, only that's being challenged in the streets and in the halls of power.

Time will tell.

86 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 9:08:54pm

re: #84 Mattand

In other news, maybe the good people in Egypt are going to knock Morsi down a peg or two:

Egyptian Judges Challenge Morsi Over New Power

Also found on the front page of the New York Times: apparently Ke$ha's new album is leaning towards rock rather than pop. Slow news weekend, I guess.

I don't think those judges will be able to do much. Morsi still likely has the military in his corner and even if all they do is stay neutral it'll be enough to let him win.

87 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 9:47:54pm

Dwight, Illinois, which is most known today via a reference in The Devil in the White City, may soon be known for something else: Amtrak just finished upgrading the 15 miles of track between Dwight and the town of Pontiac, IL to allow trains running from Chicago to St. Louis to run at 115 MPH.

88 Political Atheist  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 9:55:41pm

What a quiet Saturday night.

89 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 9:58:29pm

Five things to know about "Dallas" star Larry Hagman:

I truly do hope the producers of the Dallas reboot oblige number 4:

4. WHAT HE WANTED ON J.R.'s TOMBSTONE

"It should say: 'Here lies upright citizen J.R. Ewing. This is the only deal he ever lost,'" Hagman said in 1988.

90 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 10:08:25pm

Looking up all this stuff on FO1 & 2 is making me want to play them again after all this time. But I just don't wanna go through the headache of getting them to work on Win7.

91 austin_blue  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 10:12:33pm

re: #74 freetoken

Several days ago, when the Gaza missile action was ongoing and was the center of attention here, I raised as an example of how overlooked (by the American audience) so much of the world can be by raising the fire going on in a major slum in Bangladesh.

Sure enough:

Official: At least 100 dead in Bangladesh fire

Many more people died in this fire than did from poorly aimed missiles raining down in Israel.

These kind of things happen all the time. What we take for granted here in the US - fire codes, on-call fire fighting and rescue - are luxuries that the poor in the world can't afford, all the while they produce the clothes for our backs.

Misattributed to Stalin, but still:

"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."

92 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 10:30:29pm

re: #91 austin_blue

Misattributed to Stalin, but still:

"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."

Having thought about, though, much of the reason for Iron dome being used as much as it was had to do with the fact that the rockets Hamas used really were more accurate than their predecessors. And the increased use of Iron Dome may have had a hand in when the ceasefire was declared:

One factor Israel may have considered in agreeing to the recent cease fire with Hamas was a possible shortage of Tamir missiles (used by the Iron Dome system to shoot down rockets). The problem was that Israel was not sure how many long (over 20 kilometers) range rockets (that could reach larger urban areas) Hamas had left. Hamas had managed to fire about a thousand rockets in a week, with most of them hitting unoccupied areas or being intercepted by Tamir missiles. Israeli aircraft had made over a thousand bombing raids on Gaza, hitting hundreds of rocket storage sites. But the rockets appeared to be stored in small quantities all over the place, often in residential areas. Israel won’t say what their count was of Hamas rockets destroyed by air strikes but it was apparently less than the 12,000 rockets Hamas is supposed to have. Thus it was possible Israel faced the possibility of running out of Tamir missiles before Hamas ran out of long range rockets. That would mean dozens, or more, dead Israelis. At that point, Israel would have to send in ground troops to shut down Hamas rocket launches. That would also mean more dead Israelis. So, to be on the safe side….

Each of the five Iron Dome batteries has radar and control equipment and three or four missile launchers (each containing twenty missiles). Each battery costs about $40 million, which includes up to a hundred Tamir missiles (costing $40,000 each). In the two years before the recent conflict Iron Dome had fired nearly 200 Tamir missiles at rockets headed for populated areas. In the last week Iron Dome systems have fired over 400 more Tamir missiles. Israel never said how many Tamir missiles it has stockpiled, but the manufacturer of the Tamir admitted that, for most of November, the missile assembly line has been going round the clock. Now Israel knows how Iron Dome operates under heavy rocket fire and how many Tamir missiles would be needed to deal with a large scale attack. The Tamir production is likely to keep going on overtime for a while yet.

93 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 10:36:04pm

Goodnight, All.

94 Gus  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 11:03:40pm

Did you know that Harry Reid voted for DOMA?

95 Gus  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 11:04:49pm

It was also signed by Bill Clinton.

96 Gus  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 11:16:44pm

Paul Wellstone even voted yes for DOMA.

97 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 24, 2012 11:45:34pm

so you guys have something against the Destruction of Martians Act?

98 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:28:32am

Morning, all

99 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:51:47am

I've commented before on the amazing literal mindedness of many Lubbockites. This is a striking component of the local culture, noticeable enough that visitors will often comment on it, always negatively. Many of the locals do not seem to understand any form of metaphor, satire, or irony other than blatantly insulting sarcasm. Indeed, ironic or satirical statements are often assumed to be insulting when they are not, simply because they are heard but not understood and the worst is assumed.
A good example is a Facebook FOAF (friend of a friend) I will call Mike the Literal. Last week I commented about what I thought was the bias of the Fox sports crew covering the Texas Tech football game. I suggested a conspiracy theory in which the Red Raiders' terrible performance was the result of Fox operatives convincing the players they were actually appearing as the high school team in a TV comedy about a high school team that manages to get a game against a real college team. Mike the Literal proclaimed with great and sincere authority that this was wrong. He was not fooled at all. Today, before the Raider's similarly miserable performance against Baylor, a friend posted a picture of a 1930s vintage leather football helmet, painted red, and announced that TTU would be introducing new helmets for the game. Mike the Literal responded condescendingly that this was not the case unless they intended to change helmets after they ran onto the field. Again, he was not fooled.
Would it surprise anyone to hear that Mike the Literal is a fundamentalist and once attended Jerry Falwell's Liberty University? Lubbock is well known to be a fundy hotbed. I don't have definitive proof but I strongly suspect a correlation between fundamentalist beliefs and obtuse literalism in everyday life.

Fundamentalism is a blight on human minds in so many ways, and I do mean that literally.

100 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:10:46am

re: #99 Shiplord Kirel

If you are taught to take Scriptures literally, free of symbolism, irony metaphor or any other sort of literary devices, then you also learn to take anything else you read literally.

I live in a country full of people like that. Germans can enjoy a good joke as much as anyone else, but they get annoyed unless you tip them off in advance that you are telling them a joke or they will take often it entirely literally and get upset when they discover it was a joke (if they ever do...some people still haven't caught on I was joking.)

101 Kragar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:15:03am

re: #100 Sol Berdinowitz

If you are taught to take Scriptures literally, free of symbolism, irony metaphor or any other sort of literary devices, then you also learn to take anything else you read literally.

I live in a country full of people like that. Germans can enjoy a good joke as much as anyone else, but they get annoyed unless you tip them off in advance that you are telling them a joke or they will take often it entirely literally and get upset when they discover it was a joke (if they ever do...some people still haven't caught on I was joking.)

Which explains why I've never visited Germany, besides the fact I've never had a reason to in the past either.

102 freetoken  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:34:14am

Felix Gross:

103 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:46:20am

re: #102 freetoken

Nice!

I had not heard that before.

TY

104 Kragar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:56:46am

I hate this time of the year because the cold temperatures and moist night air makes me cough like a fricking Tuberculosis patient

105 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:58:56am

re: #104 Kragar

I hate this time of the year because the cold temperatures and moist night air makes me cough like a fricking Tuberculosis patient

Always leaves me feeling like my lungs are clogged up and deadens my sense of smell.

106 Kragar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:03:13am

re: #105 Targetpractice

Always leaves me feeling like my lungs are clogged up and deadens my sense of smell.

I don't have a clogged nose or any chest congestion, and between anti-histamines and musinex, neither cleans me out, but for the next 3 or 4 months, I'll be coughing and hacking the majority of the day.

107 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:13:08am

Drudge links to story about Prince Charles, whining aloud that he may not live long enough to become king. Somehow, I can't bring myself to feel depressed about such a revelation.

108 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:16:30am

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

The biggest thing Japanese nationalists achieve is to remind other nations of how Japan wronged them and that Japan isn't really sorry for having done so.

They were just qietly expanding their Greater East Asia Co-Propserity sphere when the US attacked them and dropped atom bombs on them for like no real reason...

109 freetoken  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:36:22am

For your middle of the night meditations:

110 Flounder  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:56:18am

Man running from police hits bicyclist, wedges him under his ladder rack of his truck , keeps on driving.
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
No, that is a picture of the driver, cyclist was killed. Whatever happened to just letting them run, this is stupid.

111 Flounder  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:18:23am

Is the bond market the next bubble to pop?
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

112 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:58:17am

re: #111 Flounder

That's an incredibly bad article. The NY Post is really not a good place to go for fiscal reporting.

A future rise in bond rates will not affect the current bonds owned by any retirees. The article writer seems really confused on this point-- he directly asserts that principal falls when bond rates go up. This is completely false-- once you've bought a bond, the principal can't change.

I think what he misunderstood is that it'll be very hard to sell any of the current low-rate bonds, if rates go up, since they won't compare favorably. That doesn't change the actual principal, though.

That article looks like a hack job written by someone who hates government spending.

Do you understand that the principal of a bond can't be reduced once bought?

113 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:58:48am

re: #110 Flounder

Man running from police hits bicyclist, wedges him under his ladder rack of his truck , keeps on driving.
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
No, that is a picture of the driver, cyclist was killed. Whatever happened to just letting them run, this is stupid.

The cyclist was dead already, but the police couldn't have known that. With him wedged in there, they had to give chase to try to save him.

114 kirkspencer  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:59:40am

re: #111 Flounder

Is the bond market the next bubble to pop?
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

No. The invisible bond vigilantes do not exist.

115 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:05:26am

re: #112 Obdicut

That's an incredibly bad article. The NY Post is really not a good place to go for fiscal reporting.

A future rise in bond rates will not affect the current bonds owned by any retirees. The article writer seems really confused on this point-- he directly asserts that principal falls when bond rates go up. This is completely false-- once you've bought a bond, the principal can't change.

I think what he misunderstood is that it'll be very hard to sell any of the current low-rate bonds, if rates go up, since they won't compare favorably. That doesn't change the actual principal, though.

That article looks like a hack job written by someone who hates government spending.

Do you understand that the principal of a bond can't be reduced once bought?

Not only hates government spending, but is too uninformed to make a good case against it. But I'm not surprised: The New York Post isn't the Wall Street Journal and I can easily see the Post deliberately running an article known to be bad in order to make a big DERPy splash and scare its readers.

116 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:22:30am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

The Wall Street Journal has fallen to the derp too, since Murdoch took it over.

Hey Dark, now that the GOP has lost the battle for the presidency and you don't need to immediately cheerlead with them, how the hell do you think the right-wing gets rid of the derpy Ayn Rand-style economics that has infected it, prompting stupid shit like cutting spending in the middle of a recession and pledging to never raise any taxes? I saw one guy is apparently standing up to Norquist-- but after so many years of right-wing media telling people that raising taxes is never good and government spending is always bad, how does the GOP climb out of the hole of fiscal stupidity and actually start having theories that interact with the real world again?

117 Flounder  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:23:38am

re: #112 Obdicut

Well I'm no bond market trader, from Wiki [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The yield and price of a bond are inversely related so that when market interest rates rise, bond prices fall and vice versa.

and

Nominal, principal, par or face amount — the amount on which the issuer pays interest, and which, most commonly, has to be repaid at the end of the term. Some structured bonds can have a redemption amount which is different from the face amount and can be linked to performance of particular assets such as a stock or commodity index, foreign exchange rate or a fund. This can result in an investor receiving less or more than his original investment at maturity.

118 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:28:49am

re: #114 kirkspencer

No. The invisible bond vigilantes do not exist.

Sure they do, I don't see them all the time.

119 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:28:53am

re: #117 Flounder

Well I'm no bond market trader, from Wiki [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The yield and price of a bond are inversely related so that when market interest rates rise, bond prices fall and vice versa.

and

Nominal, principal, par or face amount — the amount on which the issuer pays interest, and which, most commonly, has to be repaid at the end of the term. Some structured bonds can have a redemption amount which is different from the face amount and can be linked to performance of particular assets such as a stock or commodity index, foreign exchange rate or a fund. This can result in an investor receiving less or more than his original investment at maturity.

Operative phrase: "Some structured bonds". US Treasury Bonds do not fall into that category.

120 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:29:05am

re: #117 Flounder

The yield and price of a bond are inversely related so that when market interest rates rise, bond prices fall and vice versa.

Yes. The price if you buy it. Not the price if you have already bought it. This is pretty easy to understand.

Today, I buy a $10,000 bond due to mature in ten years at a rate of 0% interest. Whoo.

Tomorrow the rates skyrocket up to 20%. Fuck. But you know what? My bond is still going to be worth $10,000 in ten years. The principal doesn't change. That is, in fact, the whole fucking point of bonds, really.

Dude, I don't get why you do this: You assert things that are totally untrue and then it takes like twenty fucking posts before you eventually admit you were wrong, and then you go on again.

And sure, there are corner cases of bonds that depend on foreign exchange rates. But the vast majority of bonds are government bonds, civic bonds, etc. etc. which are just simple, straightforward bonds. Those linked bonds aren't really true bonds, they use bond status but they're actually purposefully engaging in risk. The real investment there is in the foreign currency, or the commodity index, etc.

121 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:33:52am

Happy Cyber Monday Sunday everyone...what the fuck? I saw someone post on facebook about Amazon starting a day early with great deals - Cyber Monday isn't about 'deals'...it's about people shopping from their offices instead of working.

Oh, and those 'great deals' they have right now...mostly shit people wouldn't buy otherwise...unless it was Xmas eve and they desperately needed to get dad something out of guilt, and there was a stack of "microfleece" (read thin) bathrobes by the register at 7-Eleven when they were making a beer run.

Though there was one item that, if you're an iPhone user, would make your iPhone more functional.

Yeah, a beer opener. Whoo-hoo! You love me, you really love me!

122 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:35:37am

re: #121 darthstar

Happy Cyber Monday Sunday everyone...what the fuck? I saw someone post on facebook about Amazon starting a day early with great deals - Cyber Monday isn't about 'deals'...it's about people shopping from their offices instead of working.

Oh, and those 'great deals' they have right now...mostly shit people wouldn't buy otherwise...unless it was Xmas eve and they desperately needed to get dad something out of guilt, and there was a stack of "microfleece" (read thin) bathrobes by the register at 7-Eleven when they were making a beer run.

Though there was one item that, if you're an iPhone user, would make your iPhone more functional.

Yeah, a beer opener. Whoo-hoo! You love me, you really love me!

You started drinking too early, didn't you?

//

123 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:35:41am

I like Bonds...James Bonds.

124 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:37:03am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

You started drinking too early, didn't you?

//

Nah...though we did have our annual thanksgiving weekend "Turkey shoot" last night...

Image: 178987_10151283507698024_334111957_n.jpg

Wild Turkey and IPA...not a bad way to spend an evening with friends.

125 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:39:20am

re: #124 darthstar

Nah...though we did have our annual thanksgiving weekend "Turkey shoot" last night...

Image: 178987_10151283507698024_334111957_n.jpg

Wild Turkey and IPA...not a bad way to spend an evening with friends.

I see... [DF passes DS the Extra Strength Tylenol bottle.]

126 Flounder  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:40:18am

re: #120 Obdicut

You are exactly right. You locked up your cash for ten years and got nada. You much could you buy ten years ago compared today? I know, inflation doesn't exist, so you are exactly right.

127 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:49:25am

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

I see... [DF passes DS the Extra Strength Tylenol bottle.]

Nah, I drank responsibly as I had to drive home in the fog over Devil's slide.

Combining the words 'drive', 'fog' and 'Devil's slide' in one sentence is enough to keep most people sober...and while the view of the Pacific is gorgeous over Devil's slide...it's name is what makes it most frightening - and the sensors along the section of road that gets wiped out every few years 400 feet above the water. They've built a tunnel to bypass this section of road, but it still hasn't opened. Hopefully next month.

128 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:50:24am

re: #126 Flounder

You are exactly right. You locked up your cash for ten years and got nada. You much could you buy ten years ago compared today? I know, inflation doesn't exist, so you are exactly right.

Yeah, dodge behind that. That's clearly not what the article is saying-- and inflation, while definitely the trend of the modern day, is not a certainty. Deflation can, and has, occurred, so your bond would then make more money.

Look, you posted a stupid article that asserted that the principal of already-bought bonds would be devalued by a rise in interest rates. This isn't true for anything other than a tiny segment of the bond market, and certainly not true for US government, state, and civic bonds.

Hey, maybe this'd be a good time for you to explain how the 'best value' bidding used by New York State doesn't take into account price, as you asserted the other day.

Or you could stop getting your fiscal information from the NY Post.

129 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:50:33am

re: #126 Flounder

You are exactly right. You locked up your cash for ten years and got nada. You much could you buy ten years ago compared today? I know, inflation doesn't exist, so you are exactly right.

You are missing the point, sir. Had he bought that same bond yield, but at a 2% rate of return, he would have spent less but still been paid the same amount of money. Thus, the concerns the article you linked to are not really valid because US Treasury bonds are purchased with a fixed yield upon maturation. Just admit that and step back.

130 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:57:41am

I like Bonds...James Bonds.

131 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:57:48am

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

I see... [DF passes DS the Extra Strength Tylenol Asprin bottle.]

FTFY unless you're trying to destroy DS's liver. Alcohol and Tylenol is deadly.

132 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:00:40am

Good morning lizards.

[Link: xkcd.com...]

133 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:07:54am

re: #131 William Barnett-Lewis

FTFY unless you're trying to destroy DS's liver. Alcohol and Tylenol is deadly.

Oh, I had not known that. I drink very little alcohol, so its not an issue for me. But I'll remember that.

134 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:18:21am

Just for KT, here's a DKos diary that suggests we should arm everyone... Kinda like the thought myself...

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

135 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:21:19am

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

Oh, I had not known that. I drink very little alcohol, so its not an issue for me. But I'll remember that.

NP. Tylenol is a rather nasty drug on a number of levels and should be prescription only, IMO. It has too thin a dosing range between useful and toxic. Keep aspirin or Ibuprofen in your house instead.

136 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:24:40am

Sweaters will be on back-order at WalMart.

137 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:25:11am

re: #135 William Barnett-Lewis

NP. Tylenol is a rather nasty drug on a number of levels and should be prescription only, IMO. It has too thin a dosing range between useful and toxic. Keep aspirin or Ibuprofen in your house instead.

But Tylenol is not an NSAID which means that it can be taken with many medications that NSAIDs can't be, like many of the anti-depressants (SSRIs).

138 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:29:11am
139 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:31:15am

re: #138 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Lindsey Graham isn't a surprise on this score. He's John McCain's right hand man, and McCain has never partaked of the Pledgemaster's Kool Aid.

140 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:31:17am

re: #138 darthstar

Tax Orthodoxy?...

141 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:32:23am

[Link: xkcd.com...]

And accompanying music :)

A bit late for this morning's musical contribution, but I'm trying...
;)

142 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:32:43am

re: #134 William Barnett-Lewis

Just for KT, here's a DKos diary that suggests we should arm everyone... Kinda like the thought myself...

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

I have no idea what you or the Koskid are fantasizing about but the comments are discussing arming the public against Romney? It's a bit early in the morning for violent fantasies but whatever floats your boat, I guess.

143 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:32:48am

re: #135 William Barnett-Lewis

NP. Tylenol is a rather nasty drug on a number of levels and should be prescription only, IMO. It has too thin a dosing range between useful and toxic. Keep aspirin or Ibuprofen in your house instead.

I use Aleve now. It's better for things like back pain, but still decent for headaches.

144 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:34:22am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Yo dark, you skipped my 116. Care to take a jab at it?

Given that pretty much the entirety of the right-wing has asserted red-facedly for the past eight years that cutting taxes and spending is always good, how does the GOP regain any sense of fiscal responsibility? How do they admit they were wrong?

It's easy to see how they got into this mess, it's harder to see a way out for them.

145 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:35:05am

Egypt Mob Strips 3 Girls of Clothes in Cairo’s Tahrir Square

A mob of about 300 Egyptian youths ripped the clothes off three young women in Cairo’s Tahrir Square today, forcing them to take refuge in a government building, the state-run Ahram Gate reported.

The youths attempted to force their way into the building, known locally as the Mugamma, after assaulting the women near a downtown Cairo mosque, the website reported.

146 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:37:05am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

I have no idea what you or the Koskid are fantasizing about but the comments are discussing arming the public against Romney? It's a bit early in the morning for violent fantasies but whatever floats your boat, I guess.

Please point out the comments discussing arming the public against Romney.

It must be early in the morning, because you fantasized comments that don't exist.

147 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:37:37am

Suspected militants bomb security bases in Egypt's Sinai

Militants bombed security bases being built in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, injuring three people, authorities said, as the state tries to reassert control over territory that slipped from its grip after the uprising that toppled Hosni Mubarak.

A massive explosion partly destroyed the wall of a security base being built for border guards in the town of Rafah at the border with the Gaza Strip overnight, but without causing injuries.

Further south, three workers were injured by a separate blast that damaged a compound being built in Quseima for a different security agency responsible for guarding a pipeline that exports gas to Jordan, security sources said.

Hardline Islamist militant groups have expanded into a vacuum left by the collapse of state control in North Sinai during the uprising that overthrew Mubarak in February, 2011.

148 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:41:08am

But McCain's still being a dick about it

FOX HOST: You say that you will do everything in your power to block Susan Rice’s nomination if the President decides to name her to be secretary of state . . . . Is there anything that Ambassador Rice can do to change your mind?

MCCAIN: Sure, she can give everyone the benefit of explaining their position and the actions that they took. And I’ll be glad to have the opportunity to discuss these issues with her. Why did she say that al Qaeda has been decimated in her statement here on this program? Al Qaeda hasn’t been decimated. They’re on the rise. They’re all over Iraq.

Bin Laden's dead, fucktard. Al Qaeda's influence is way down globally...including in Iraq.

149 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:46:03am

re: #148 darthstar

Bin Laden's death did less than you think. And Al Qaeda isn't as on the ropes as you might believe, especially in North Africa.

150 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:46:29am

re: #148 darthstar

they're all over Iraq

But McCain's still being a dick about it

Bin Laden's dead, fucktard. Al Qaeda's influence is way down globally...including in Iraq.

Where they did not exist until they moved into the power vacuum we helped create...

151 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:47:06am

re: #144 Obdicut

Yo dark, you skipped my 116. Care to take a jab at it?

Given that pretty much the entirety of the right-wing has asserted red-facedly for the past eight years that cutting taxes and spending is always good, how does the GOP regain any sense of fiscal responsibility? How do they admit they were wrong?

It's easy to see how they got into this mess, it's harder to see a way out for them.

No, I'm not prepared to answer that question.

152 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:47:14am

re: #147 Killgore Trout

Suspected militants bomb security bases in Egypt's Sinai

"Suspected militants?" How do we know they weren't holiday shoppers?

And your link is as empty as your concern.

153 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:48:07am

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Bin Laden's death did less than you think. And Al Qaeda isn't as on the ropes as you might believe, especially in North Africa.

North Africa? Dude...you just moved the goal posts to another fucking continent!

154 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:50:14am

re: #152 darthstar

"Suspected militants?" How do we know they weren't holiday shoppers?

And your link is as empty as your concern.

Ooops. Let me try that link again
Suspected militants bomb security bases in Egypt's Sinai

155 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:50:56am

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

No, I'm not prepared to answer that question.

C'mon...you were taking jabs at Mitt Romney yourself last week. Admit it, it felt good. Just be honest. How does the GOP regain its fiscal responsibility credibility? IT DOESN'T! Taxes go up, the economy improves, and thirty years of Republican talking points go down the toilet. Unless, of course, you tie any economic improvements to delayed reaction to the Bush tax cuts after they're gone...that's the ticket.

156 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:51:14am

re: #153 darthstar

North Africa? Dude...you just moved the goal posts to another fucking continent!

You said 'globally'.

157 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:52:21am

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Bin Laden's death did less than you think. And Al Qaeda isn't as on the ropes as you might believe, especially in North Africa.

Did you downding me for calling John McCain' a fucktard? You're so sweet.

John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard. John McCain's a fucktard.

158 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:53:28am

re: #155 darthstar

Here's the thing: Obdicut is pretty good economically, so I'm not going to weigh in with on such a major topic until I've put my own talking points together on the matter and run them a couple people.

159 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:55:53am

re: #157 darthstar

Saying it won't make it true. John McCain is actually very smart. Idiots are not allowed to become naval aviators (and don't bring up George W. Bush. He was in the Air National Guard, which is different from a front line carrier air wing).

160 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:59:35am

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

No, I'm not prepared to answer that question.

I don't think anyone in the GOP is. I don't think anyone has anything approaching a plan to get the crazy out.

What bugs me is how much this should have been seen coming. For years and years, the GOP could see the extremism ramping up and ramping up, but they decided it was good for winning elections so they ignored it and then outright fostered it. Now they are fully committed to an anti-reality, anti-science platform that's also weighed down by being racially and religiously exclusionary.

It's just too bad they've done so much damage to the country along the way, or seeing exactly what was predicted for them come true might be a little satisfying.

161 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:03:50am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Saying it won't make it true. John McCain is actually very smart. Idiots are not allowed to become naval aviators (and don't bring up George W. Bush. He was in the Air National Guard, which is different from a front line carrier air wing).

John McCain is a fucking idiot who attacks women who threaten him with their intelligence...and there's a great diary on this very topic this morning at dKos...I suggest you go read it.

John McCain is not very bright

I should warn you, it's written by a very bright woman, so you're probably safer just keeping your plastic hero on the shelf and not educating yourself.

Oh, and McCain destroyed five US aircraft (though I don't blame him for the last one he fucked up as he was legitimately shot down in combat).

162 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:12:27am

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Here's the thing: Obdicut is pretty good economically, so I'm not going to weigh in with on such a major topic until I've put my own talking point together on the matter and run them a couple people.

You're just afraid he's going to beat you over the head with facts until you're left in a bloody heap on the ground. And he will. He likes berating people who use empty talking points as evidence. Just respond to him and get it over with, already. Or run your talking points by Grover Norquist first...he'll tell you you're right. Then come back and have Obdicut hand your ass to you on a platter.

Me, I'd rather fight and lose and internet argument than hide from one due to lack of confidence in my own knowledge. How will I ever learn from others if I do that?

163 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:15:12am

re: #162 darthstar

1. Better to prepared and have your own facts to counter your adversary than to charge in DERPily and get crushed.

2. You know my feelings on Grover Norquist. To imply I'd run something by him is trolling.

164 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:16:51am

re: #160 Obdicut

It's just too bad they've done so much damage to the country along the way, or seeing exactly what was predicted for them come true might be a little satisfying.

It's just a flesh wound. Yeah, they've managed to inhibit growth and block progress, but they haven't stalled it completely. Now, if they just get out of the way a little - I'm not even asking them to help the president, just stop trying to sabotage him is help enough - the country will recover faster than people imagine, because growth begets growth and confidence begets confidence, and once people realize they aren't powerless to help themselves, they will. That includes teabaggers.

165 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:17:34am

DF, I have to give you credit for sticking to your viewpoints around here and being unafraid to defend them. Obviously you know you're in the minority on this site but you've stuck around and that's good to see.

I also like the fact that even though there's been some backlash over some of the things you've posted, for the most part responses to you have been civil and not devolved into insults/flame war territory.

166 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:18:40am

re: #160 Obdicut

I don't think anyone in the GOP is. I don't think anyone has anything approaching a plan to get the crazy out.

What bugs me is how much this should have been seen coming. For years and years, the GOP could see the extremism ramping up and ramping up, but they decided it was good for winning elections so they ignored it and then outright fostered it. Now they are fully committed to an anti-reality, anti-science platform that's also weighed down by being racially and religiously exclusionary.

It's just too bad they've done so much damage to the country along the way, or seeing exactly what was predicted for them come true might be a little satisfying.

I really don't think the GOP will get it together until sometime after Obama leaves office. Hopefully by then the ODS will be less relevant and Republicans can refocus their efforts somewhere more productive.

167 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:19:07am

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

They could start with a bit of a throwback
"deficits don't matter" which lets the government spend and "grow out of the deficit" which in part is what happened in the '90s. Taxes went up and with spending cuts as part of the deal. Throw in one good tech boom and we had a balanced budget.

We know how to tax, and how to limit spending to what we need to do. What is impossible for the government to replicate is the boom. That will come from the private sector. just as the tech boom did.

168 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:19:24am

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

1. Better to prepared and have your own facts to counter your adversary than to charge in DERPily and get crushed.

2. You know my feelings on Grover Norquist. To imply I'd run something by him is trolling.

Okay, I take back the Grover bit. What facts do you not have that you're going to get? If you think Paul Ryan is the answer, say it. If you think the GOP is kind of fucked right now, admit it. The only way they're going to heal themselves from this idiocy is if they admit they don't have all the answers.

169 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:29:39am

Good morning Lizards! Watching all the talk shows this morning, Newspapers flung everywhere, Still in bed, Sharing the leftovers with Winston and keeping the ice coffee to myself..
Ken Burns is on Meet the Press, He is awesome

170 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:30:59am

More on McCain's self-inflicted dishonor.

McCain, because of what he endured 45 years ago, is permitted more than three strikes. But how many more? In 2008, he foisted Sarah Palin upon an unsuspecting nation. After losing that race, he then turned his back on legislating as he faced a primary challenge from his right in 2010, switching from being one of the few senators who actually took his work seriously enough to try to be a leader on compromise to becoming one of the body’s chief obstructionists and windbags across a range of issues. And now, 2012, has found him slandering his country’s ambassador to the United Nations on the basis of no evidence, creating circumstances that have forced U.S. intelligence agencies to defend their usually private methods in public, and of course laid the groundwork for future and wholly spurious impeachment proceedings. So this last one alone is three strikes, plus probably a couple others I’m not remembering.

171 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:32:59am

re: #164 darthstar

The problem is that we need to do a ton of stuff to combat AGW, and it's going to require a very high level of government spending. We're starting from this "All government spending is bad and evil" position the GOP has wedged us in, and we have to go a long way just to get to the normal of "Government spending can be a very good thing for the economy, and it's needed for those things which the private market can't provide for well, like health insurance and flood insurance." Then we have to get from there to "Spend hugely on R&D for anti-AGW stuff and for adaptation to the new high temperatures".

I suspect that it may wind up that the armed forces are what most effectively work on this, since they're the largest command part of our economy and they mostly understand how fucking terrible AGW is going to be from every perspective.

172 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:35:16am
173 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:41:40am

re: #172 darthstar

[Embedded content]

"Attention Sav-Mart shoppers, we are pleased to report that on Black Friday this year there were no shots fired in the store. I repeat there were ZERO shots fired in the store. I mean I know we have a few blood brawls and a trampling but still, no bullets! Good job everybody!"

174 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:43:05am

re: #170 darthstar

More on McCain's self-inflicted dishonor.

1. McCain didn't know Sarah Palin was that dumb or that she'd keep going after 2008.

2. In 2010 he did what he had to do. For him to have tried to focus on legislating would have simply been scurrying around waiting for the ax to fall. He needed to move right to fend off J.D. Heyworth and he did so.

175 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:45:12am

And Ken Burns on MTP this morning..They have him sitting at the grown up table..He is a brilliant man

176 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:45:53am

re: #175 A Man for all Seasons

Is he on about the NY scandal? Been reading about that.

177 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:47:06am

re: #171 Obdicut

It's not just the government, even if it did not cost a thing, GOP fundamentalists do not like the concept of government telling Free Enterprise what to do at any level, because they believe that FE can do everything better and more efficiently.

178 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:48:35am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Might we agree the Tea Party has been the big net negative that dragged the GOP too far right?

179 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:54:59am

Freep learns about Gangnam style

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

To: SeekAndFind

Fat, Drunk and Slanted is no way to go through life.

3 posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:48:40 AM by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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180 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:57:38am

Morning!!!!

A verry good one btw.

181 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:58:17am

re: #178 Political Atheist

Might we agree the Tea Party has been the big net negative that dragged the GOP too far right?

Even Karl Rove tried to warn the GOP about that and got swatted down. Now he is dogmeat anyways...

182 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 8:58:44am

re: #176 Political Atheist

Is he on about the NY scandal? Been reading about that.

It was one of the best round tables on MTP. Very powerful, Spoke about the movie Lincoln as it applies to today. Ken and Al Sharpton spoke about Race issues. Powerful and grown up discussions

183 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:03:32am

re: #181 Sol Berdinowitz

It will take a far more charismatic and well reputed Republican to make it happen. That person may not even exist in any position of leadership at all. It would take a political rock star.

184 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:05:07am

re: #178 Political Atheist

Might we agree the Tea Party has been the big net negative that dragged the GOP too far right?

I really do believe it was the election of Barack Obama that started the whole thing in motion or, at the very least, infused with a shot of momentum the likes of which had not been seen in a very long time.

185 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:05:26am

re: #183 Political Atheist

I think, honestly, what it would really take is the religious organizations that form so much of the core of the GOP ceasing their war with the government, accepiting separation of church and state, and urging their followers to support charity through the government.

However, the churches are headed mostly in the opposite direction, what with their increased violations of their non-profit status and political campaigning against gay marriage and the like.

186 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:05:36am

re: #178 Political Atheist

Might we agree the Tea Party has been the big net negative that dragged the GOP too far right?

IMHO, the tea party was more of a symptom than a cause. I think in large part it was a Koch-fueled attempt to make the Republicans more 'fiscally conservative' in a Libertarian way. I don't think the tea party was out to make the Republicans more socially conservative, but the so-cons saw an opportunity not to be missed to jump on and fight for inclusion, or be left behind.

187 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:06:39am

re: #182 A Man for all Seasons

It was one of the best round tables on MTP. Very powerful, Spoke about the movie Lincoln as it applies to today. Ken and Al Sharpton spoke about Race issues. Powerful and grown up discussions

You ever watch the documentary "Street Fight?" Good doc. It's about Cory Booker's run against Sharpe James for mayor of Newark. James employed some brutal and highly suspect tactics in which the Newark FD and PD were involved. Eventually in later years Booker was triumphant. James eventually served 18 months in prison for something unrelated. Al Sharpton supported Sharpe James.

188 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:06:45am

OT, but I'm starting to doubt there is any "pump up" music on the planet better than AC/DC.

189 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:07:40am

re: #175 A Man for all Seasons

And Ken Burns on MTP this morning..They have him sitting at the grown up table..He is a brilliant man

Tonight is The Dust Bowl, yes?

190 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:10:00am

re: #185 Obdicut

Agreed. That's the big reason I posted for the GOP to kick the TP to the curb.

191 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:10:03am

re: #188 dragonfire1981

OT, but I'm starting to doubt there is any "pump up" music on the planet better than AC/DC.

That's why about all NFL stadiums starts the game off with Hells Bells.

192 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:10:04am

re: #187 Gus

You ever watch the documentary "Street Fight?" Good doc. It's about Cory Booker's run against Sharpe James for mayor of Newark. James employed some brutal and highly suspect tactics in which the Newark FD and PD were involved. Eventually in later years Booker was triumphant. James eventually served 18 months in prison for something unrelated. Al Sharpton supported Sharpe James.

From the New York Times in 2006:

During his unsuccessful campaign for mayor in 2002, the powerful incumbent, Sharpe James, described him [Cory Booker] — though they are both African-American Democrats — as Jewish, gay, a Republican and a proxy for the Ku Klux Klan.

193 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:13:09am

Cory Booker Back, But This Campaign Has Newark Game (2006)

Political observers see the leaflets as evidence that Mr. Booker’s supporters will not stand by as their man is mauled again. But they wonder if Mr. Booker, a graduate of Stanford University and Yale Law School, or his supporters have gone too far.

“That’s where they are now,” said Hiver Ambrose, who was an aide to Mr. Booker in 2002. “ No more soft college boy: ‘Now I’m in your face, I’m Newark.’ When we were there, I was as much an advocate of him just being a little bit stronger, but this is not what I had in mind. What I had in mind was being genuinely offended when Sharpe called you a Jewish gay boy, not playing Sharpe’s game.”

Image: large_sj_Sharpton.jpg

194 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:13:52am

Oh great. Another Shoq day.

195 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:19:54am

Gaza

196 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:20:11am

re: #194 Gus

Oh great. Another Shoq day.

I wouldn't want to unfollow ABL, but maybe as a temporary measure...

197 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:21:19am

re: #179 SpaceJesus

Freep learns about Gangnam style

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

"I cling to guns and religion"

We've seen what a wonderful idea combining those two is, and how simple minded the adherents to that can be.

198 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:21:23am

re: #196 wrenchwench

I wouldn't want to unfollow ABL, but maybe as a temporary measure...

Drove me bonkers last night.

199 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:24:56am

re: #198 Gus

Drove me bonkers last night.

Are you still bonkers this morning?

:)

200 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:27:45am

re: #190 Political Atheist

Agreed. That's the big reason I posted for the GOP to kick the TP to the curb.

Doing so would only be about the optics, not the substance.

201 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:28:27am

re: #199 wrenchwench

Are you still bonkers this morning?

:)

Little bit. GROWL!

There's always Tweetdeck in which you can add Shoq to a global filter.

202 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:29:58am

re: #197 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

We've seen what a wonderful idea combining those two is, and how simple minded the adherents to that can be.

Hey, now, watch that generalization thing...

When my custom grips arrive, I'll have to shoot a still life of my S&W 625 mountain gun, a bible, Das Kapital & a red rose for the Socialist International... ;)

203 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:30:02am

re: #199 wrenchwench

Are you still bonkers this morning?

:)

If you start out with bonkers being your initial frame of reference, you can only go in one direction.

204 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:31:10am

re: #203 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

If you start out with bonkers being your initial frame of reference, you can only go in one direction.

Maybe I should change my avatar.

//

205 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:32:00am

re: #204 Gus

Maybe I should change my avatar.

//

Now you've got the idea.

206 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:33:29am

re: #205 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Now you've got the idea.

Says the Sockpuppet! Put up your dukes!

//

207 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:33:40am

re: #155 darthstar

C'mon...you were taking jabs at Mitt Romney yourself last week. Admit it, it felt good. Just be honest. How does the GOP regain its fiscal responsibility credibility? IT DOESN'T! Taxes go up, the economy improves, and thirty years of Republican talking points go down the toilet. Unless, of course, you tie any economic improvements to delayed reaction to the Bush tax cuts after they're gone...that's the ticket.

The GOP fucked themselves when they agreed to sequestration as part of the last debt limit rise. They can't win now...

1. The GOP caves and agrees to raise taxes to avoid the "fiscal cliff," the republicans get crucified by their base for breaking the tax pledge. Obama gets what he wants, while TeaParty challengers to GOP incumbents in the 2014 primaries have a field day with their ads against the "Pledge breakers." Some incumbents lose their primaries allowing the Dems to win against the new (weaker) far right candidates and pick up some of their seats in the general elections.

OR

2. The GOP stands firm on taxes and Obama walks away from the table, we get to Jan. 1st and all the Bush tax cuts expire while sequestration kicks in with automatic budget cuts. Obama still gets his tax increase on the top earners while the GOP gets the blame for causing everyone elses taxes to increase too. The GOP tries to spin it as the Dems fault but while most voters are dumb they aren't that dumb, it will be seen by most as more obstruction by the party of NO. The GOP takes it in the shorts in 2014 for stalling the economy and placing their idiotic "starve the beast" pledge over the good of the country.

Obama was playing the "long game" during the last negotiations to raise the debt ceiling and the GOP walked right into it. Obama can go play golf right now and laugh as the GOP struggles to figure a way out of the spot they helped him to put them in.

208 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:36:59am

re: #206 Gus

Says the Sockpuppet! Put up your dukes!

//

Let me find Duke Nukem.

209 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:38:06am

re: #208 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Let me find Duke Nukem.

Nuke the wha...

Oops, probably the wrong thread for that joke.

//

210 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:38:57am

Crap, now I have to go out in -19C weather to start a car that hasn't been plugged in so I can take my daughter grocery shopping. Whoop-dee-do-do.

Later.

211 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:42:14am

re: #210 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Crap, now I have to go out in -19C weather to start a car that hasn't been plugged in so I can take my daughter grocery shopping. Whoop-dee-do-do.

Later.

I converted that to F, and got "damn cold".

212 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:42:17am

Iran's influence comes to light in Gaza missile bunkers

is one of scores of bunkers across Gaza. Some have been dug out under the houses of Hamas sympathisers; others stretch 30m below open ground, linked to a network of supply tunnels.
....
The technical skills needed to wage war from underground were learned during excursions to Lebanon to meet Hezbollah, which maintains much larger facilities, from catering outfits to operating theatres, beneath hillsides with dormitories where its fighters can sleep safely.

But Hamas's weapons were supplied by Iran and stockpiled after the last Israeli attack in 2008-09. The full extent of Iran's backing for Hamas and the Islamic Jihad group was confirmed in interviews with senior members.

Khaled al-Batsh, the leader of Islamic Jihad, said Iranian support for both organisations extended from cash and military training in unspecified countries to rockets, communications and even advice on media relations.

Abu Ahmad, a spokesman for Islamic Jihad's military wing, Saraya al-Quds, said it had fired 620 rockets in all, of which 300 were Russian Grads, some modified by Iran. "Some of the weapons we carry in our stockpiles are 100 per cent Iranian-made, such as the Fajr 5 (long-range rockets) and Kornets (laser-guided anti-tank missiles)," he said.

Hamas's military wing said it had fired 1573 rockets into Israel, including four Fajr rockets targeting Tel Aviv.

213 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:45:27am

Couple of reminders:

1. Republicans now control both chambers in 26 states, the same as before the election, while Democratic legislatures total 19, up from 15.

2. There are currently 29 Republicans, 20 Democrats, and 1 Independent holding the office of governor in the states.

3. Republicans retain control of the United States House of Representatives.

214 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:47:28am

re: #213 Gus

Couple of reminders:

1. Republicans now control both chambers in 26 states, the same as before the election, while Democratic legislatures total 19, up from 15.

2. There are currently 29 Republicans, 20 Democrats, and 1 Independent holding the office of governor in the states.

3. Republicans retain control of the United States House of Representatives.

Don't forget control over school boards (mostly R too).

215 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:48:09am

re: #210 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Crap, now I have to go out in -19C weather to start a car that hasn't been plugged in so I can take my daughter grocery shopping. Whoop-dee-do-do.

Later.

Where the fuck are you, Antarctica???

216 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:50:06am

It's morning.

My head hurts.

you?

217 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:50:12am

re: #214 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Don't forget control over school boards (mostly R too).

Yep. So I'm having a little trouble seeing "where Republicans failed." Sure, they failed for the POTUS run but things are far from over with Republican control of DC and states. Then you have Democrat governors like the one in Kentucky signing off on a Noah's Arc museum with state funding and Colorado's John Hickenlooper being against sick days for non-state employees (which failed) and also being against the recently passed marijuana law (which remains largely symbolic). That is to say many of the Democrats are close to being Republicans themselves.

218 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:56:58am

re: #215 Varek Raith

Where the fuck are you, Antarctica???

-2.2F

Too cold. That's ain't right.

219 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:02:25am

re: #217 Gus

Yep. So I'm having a little trouble seeing "where Republicans failed." Sure, they failed for the POTUS run but things are far from over with Republican control of DC and states. Then you have Democrat governors like the one in Kentucky signing off on a Noah's Arc museum with state funding and Colorado's John Hickenlooper being against sick days for non-state employees (which failed) and also being against the recently passed marijuana law (which remains largely symbolic). That is to say many of the Democrats are close to being Republicans themselves.

The scary black man is still in the White House. Understand now? /

220 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:03:29am

re: #218 Gus

-2.2F

Too cold. That's ain't right.

It's funny the facial expressions and reactions I get from people here on the Gulf Coast when I recount stories of being in Canada and dealing with -40 temperatures in the wintertime.

221 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:03:52am

re: #219 dragonfire1981

The scary black man is still in the White House. Understand now? /

Yeah. The president with the ever present magical super powers to do both bad and good depending on the person.

222 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:04:46am

re: #220 dragonfire1981

It's funny the facial expressions and reactions I get from people here on the Gulf Coast when I recount stories of being in Canada and dealing with -40 temperatures in the wintertime.

Sounds like industrial freezing temperatures. :D

223 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:05:02am
224 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:06:46am

We've been having a rather mild Fall. I'm not complaining. :D

225 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:15:59am

I just checked in and priced the pile of tires from my big Black Friday purchase. I can double my investment on the tires alone. And that's not counting the weird sizes that I'll never sell. Now I have to rearrange all my tires to fit these in, then check in 5 or six boxes of other goodies.

226 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:20:11am

re: #222 Gus

Sounds like industrial freezing temperatures. :D

All kidding aside, you do NOT mess around with weather like that. If you need to go outside, bundle up well and limit your time outdoors to as short as possible. In conditions that cold, you can start to develop frostbite EXTREMELY fast.

227 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:20:40am

Dear world. Please stop auto playing videos on your webpages.

228 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:23:07am

re: #220 dragonfire1981

It's funny the facial expressions and reactions I get from people here on the Gulf Coast when I recount stories of being in Canada and dealing with -40 temperatures in the wintertime.

Fahrenheit or Celsius?

///

229 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:24:04am

re: #227 Gus

Dear world. Please stop auto playing videos on your webpages.

The best part about having Flash not working on this computer is that there's no such thing as auto play anymore.

230 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:25:28am

re: #229 wrenchwench

Flash Must Die.

231 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:26:11am

re: #229 wrenchwench

The best part about having Flash not working on this computer is that there's no such thing as auto play anymore.

It's rather irresponsible of them considering that not everybody is using an unlimited monthly broadband or DSL line. Many are using data plans. I switch between the two and the limit on my AT&T card is 5 GB per month.

232 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:27:06am

re: #230 William Barnett-Lewis

Flash Must Die.

I'm ahead of the game there.

233 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:29:41am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

I have no idea what you or the Koskid are fantasizing about but the comments are discussing arming the public against Romney? It's a bit early in the morning for violent fantasies but whatever floats your boat, I guess.

Yeah it's so much different then all the wingnuts wanting to arm themselves against Obama.

234 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:34:04am

re: #233 Tigger2

Yeah it's so much different then all the wingnuts wanting to arm themselves against Obama.

Interesting. I'm not seeing anything there about "arming the public against Romney." The only reference to Romney found there is this comment:

Given a concrete proposal ("arm the villagers"), you respond with a Romneyism ("the proper response is organized and trained response which solves the problem").

Which is just a reference to a Romneyism.

235 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:36:23am

re: #234 Gus

Interesting. I'm not seeing anything there about "arming the public against Romney." The only reference to Romney found there is this comment:

Which is just a reference to a Romneyism.

I didn't even read it. I just thought KT post was funny, seeing as all we have heard for the last 4 years was Wingnuts arming themselves for god know what.

236 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:39:22am

Speaking of funny. I'm browsing through the World Nut Daily store...

The Harsh Truth About Public Schools (Paperback)

Based upon a clear understanding of God's educational mandate to parents, and the thoroughly documented description of the inescapably anti-Christian thrust of any governmental school system and the inevitable results.

237 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:41:55am

re: #234 Gus

It's "not bothering to read the article/watch the video/do the research, but talking about it anyway" Killgore again.

238 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:42:56am

Jerusalem Compass

Just open the cover and find your way home …

239 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:45:09am

Christmas Magnetic Bumper Sticker - This is America

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Merry Christmas!

240 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:45:34am

re: #238 Gus

Jerusalem Compass

Rapture ready I'm sure.

241 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:49:19am

re: #238 Gus

... why?

I guess it's good for jokes. Like, "The gift that Moses really wish he had."

"Nah, that's showing magnetic Jerusalem. You want to find true Jerusalem."

But otherwise, unless you somehow don't know where you are, an ordinary compass would do. If you're in the US and a Jew praying, you just face East. Apparently God isn't that picky.

There's some atoll in the middle of the Pacific that's the farthest point away from Mecca; a Muslim there could pray in any direction and be cool. Though I have no idea if Muslims require more exactitude in their prayer-direction than Jews do.

Fun fact: If you were in Stockholm, this compass would also point in the direction of Mecca.

242 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:50:33am

re: #238 Gus

Jerusalem Compass

The Jerusalem Kosher Compass

Kosher? Doesn't that apply just to food?

243 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:51:04am

re: #241 Obdicut

... why?

I guess it's good for jokes. Like, "The gift that Moses really wish he had."

"Nah, that's showing magnetic Jerusalem. You want to find true Jerusalem."

But otherwise, unless you somehow don't know where you are, an ordinary compass would do. If you're in the US and a Jew praying, you just face East. Apparently God isn't that picky.

There's some atoll in the middle of the Pacific that's the farthest point away from Mecca; a Muslim there could pray in any direction and be cool. Though I have no idea if Muslims require more exactitude in their prayer-direction than Jews do.

Fun fact: If you were in Stockholm, this compass would also point in the direction of Mecca.

It's at WND so I'm assuming this is for a bunch of hunkered down gentiles and has some end-times meaning behind its purchase.

244 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:52:29am

re: #241 Obdicut

I just read the description. It's even dumber: You have to already know where you are in order to set it. So what the hell is the point? If you're in London, how hard is it to figure out that Jerusalem is South-East?

245 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:52:34am

Hunkered down and rapture ready.

246 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:56:24am

re: #242 Stanghazi

Kosher? Doesn't that apply just to food?

Heh. You could eat it. Kosher is exclusionary; it defines what you can't eat. But for traditionalists, any food made by non-Jews isn't kosher. Somehow I doubt these are all made by Jewish craftsmen.

247 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:57:24am

Hilarious search results for "science" at the WND Superstore. They have "A Shot of Faith to the Head: Be a Confident Believer in an Age of Cranky Atheists (Paperback)" mixed in with a whole bunch of books by Ayn Rand.

248 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:58:44am

Icons of Evolution (DVD)

"Icons of Evolution": For decades, Charles Darwin's theory of evolution has been taught in classrooms as more than just a "theory" – it's been taught and accepted by mainstream educators as fact. But now, new scientific evidence is emerging that places Darwin's theory under closer scrutiny than ever before. These scientific critics of Darwin claim that many famous "icons" of evolution – including Darwin's "Tree of Life," the Galapagos Island finches and embryos that look remarkably similar – are based on outdated research and faulty logic. For anyone desiring to discover the evidence and weigh it independently, "Icons of Evolution" is essential and enlightening viewing.

249 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:00:10am

In Six Days : Why Fifty Scientists Choose to Believe in Creation - (Paperback)

By John F. Ashton, Ph.D.

Product Description

Science can neither prove nor disprove evolution any more than it can creation. Certainly there are no human eyewitness accounts of either. However, certain factors are present today which are capable of swaying one’s beliefs one way or the other.

In this book are the testimonies of 50 men and women holding doctorates in a wide range of scientific fields who have been convinced by the evidence to believe in a literal six-day creation. For example, meet:

The geneticist who concludes that there must have been 150 billion forerunners of “modern man” in order for the natural selection required by evolution to have taken place in the development of man. The evidence for such vast numbers of “prehistoric man” is in dire shortage.

The orthodontist who discovered that European museum fossils of ancient man have been tampered with to adhere to evolution theories.

The geologist who studied under Stephen Jay Gould and literally cut the Bible to pieces before totally rejecting evolution.

All 50 of these scientists, through faith and scientific fact, have come to the conclusion that God’s Word is true and everything had its origin not so very long ago, in the beginning, "In Six Days."

250 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:00:47am

Derp.

251 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:01:06am

re: #241 Obdicut

But otherwise, unless you somehow don't know where you are, an ordinary compass would do. If you're in the US and a Jew praying, you just face East. Apparently God isn't that picky.

There's some atoll in the middle of the Pacific that's the farthest point away from Mecca; a Muslim there could pray in any direction and be cool. Though I have no idea if Muslims require more exactitude in their prayer-direction than Jews do.

We're supposed to try to be as accurate as possible, but if it can't be determined then your best guess or any direction is fine.

Ugh, stayed up till 7am then slept till 1pm. Still groggy. Need more coffee. Re-lurking...

252 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:02:37am

re: #250 Varek Raith

Derp.

A mother lode of derp.

253 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:02:54am

The supposed endgame behind the whole "starve the beast" plan was to end up creating a crisis that would force the elimination of Social Security and Medicare.

Those two programs have long been a major thorn in the side of ideological conservatives because they refute basic conservative dogma by...
1. Being government programs designed to help the entire population.
2. Actually working.
3. Being tremendously popular.

These facts damage one of the primary tenets of conservatism, that government doesn't work, period. Why do you think they have also tried for plan "B" by their repeated plans and attempts to privatize both programs? Luckily for us those plans have always failed, at least so far.

By purposefully being fiscally irresponsible by lowering taxes while increasing government spending over 30 years the GOP has sent both the debt and the deficit skyrocketing. Their problem is that now that they finally have the "crisis" they have been trying to engineer, they lack enough public support to follow through. The overwhelming majority of the population wants to keep SS and Medicare going, even exits polls in this election confirmed that.

Those same polls and others have also shown that most people understand that a combination of both spending cuts and increased revenues via higher taxes is necessary. Not only to try to shore up the viability of the social programs but to avoid more damage to our credit rating and ultimately a possible default on our debt.

The funny part is that by agreeing to sequestration the GOP has now painted itself into a corner where taxes will go up no matter what happens. I don't see how they can spin this into a win politically even with their PR machine cranked up to 11. As I said upthread, Obama simply outplayed them in the "long game." The Dems planned for this at the last debt ceiling negotiations while the Republicans failed to think it all the way through.

Personally I am going to stock up on a lot of popcorn because we are about to see four weeks worth of crying, whining, and hand wringing by the GOP. Regardless of what happens during those weeks the deficit will end up being reduced and the Republicans are not likely to get much of the credit for doing so. Who knows, maybe instead of simply using it as a slogan the Republicans will finally see the need to actually become a fiscally responsible party in the end?

/Not holding my breath

254 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:04:15am
255 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:08:12am

re: #251 CuriousLurker

We're supposed to try to be as accurate as possible, but if it can't be determined then your best guess or any direction is fine.

Ugh, stayed up till 7am then slept till 1pm. Still groggy. Need more coffee. Re-lurking...

[Link: www.islamicfinder.org...]

256 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:14:05am

re: #251 CuriousLurker

So if you're in London, running an errand, is "South-East" acceptable?

257 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:28:43am

re: #255 Gus

[Link: www.islamicfinder.org...]

Heh, I've been using that site for years to get & print my prayer times for each month. It's very helpful.

You buy an "Islamic" compass, which is just a regular compass that has some Arabic/Islamic decoration on it and comes with a little booklet of cities with numbers next to them so you can determine the direction of Mecca, like this.

There are some prayer rugs that have compasses embedded on them, but they're almost always those awful, cheap, garishly colored ones. *shudder* Anyway, unless you're moving around all day praying in different places, you don't need it.

258 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:37:37am

re: #256 Obdicut

So if you're in London, running an errand, is "South-East" acceptable?

Correct. It's the intention that's important, i.e. the (symbolic) "face" of God is everywhere so your prayer will be heard & accepted as long as your intention was correct/good/sincere.

259 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:46:56am

re: #211 wrenchwench

I converted that to F, and got "damn cold".

Then as soon as I got back I shovelled the driveway. Without having a heart attack.

260 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:48:11am

re: #215 Varek Raith

Where the fuck are you, Antarctica???

Central Canuckistan. We export our weather to Antarctica.


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