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American Religious Fanatics Praise Uganda for Making Homosexuality Illegal

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The far right freakazoids at World Net Daily are praising Uganda’s fanatical Christian fundamentalist president today for making homosexual behavior illegal and for staging a public show of “repentance.”

And American Christian Taliban leaders are pointing at Uganda as a future model for the United States.

Massachusetts pastor and activist Rev. Scott Lively believes Museveni is a model for other national leaders.

‘The Museveni prayer is a model for all Christian leaders in the world. The leaders of the West have declined in proportion to their degree of rejection of God,’ Lively said.

Lively also believes Uganda will rise as a major African power as America continues to decline. He uses Britain as an example.

‘Britain was at its height as a world power when it honored God as the Ugandan president has just done. America’s greatness has similarly diminished as we have shifted from a Christian to a secular-humanist country. But watch now for Uganda to be blessed by God for their desire to be His,’ Lively said. …

Homosexual activist groups have criticized the government of Uganda and Museveni for passing laws criminalizing homosexual behavior. A current bill before the Ugandan Parliament increases the jail sentences for homosexual acts and includes criminal penalties for those who encourage or promote homosexuality. …

Lively said he didn’t agree with the death penalty provision but supports the nation’s strong stance against homosexual behavior.

For another example: American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer is crowing, “It can be done!”

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187 comments

1 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:10:25am

Repugnant.

2 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:18:18am
3 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:28:57am

Religious violence, crime and tribal tensions wrack Uganda with the death toll numbering in the tens of thousands.

And Bryan Fischer is obsessed with what goes on behind closed doors, between consenting adults.

Some priorities.

4 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:30:46am

How do these idiots explain the rise of non-Christian nations? Is it Satan?

It's Satan, isn't it.

5 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:30:46am
Should a president lead citizens in a national prayer of repentance?

Uganda’s Christian president believes so.

[...]

"Forgive us of sins of pride..." Museveni prayed.

Nothing says 'pride' like confessing on behalf of your whole fucking country.

If Scott Lively is right, we should see Uganda rivaling the US and Great Britain as a world power soon.

6 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:31:33am

re: #2 TedStriker

Good lord...
Image: multiple-facepalm.gif

7 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:34:05am

Charles Johnson,

Outlawing homosexual behavior won't do anything to help Uganda. It will only hurt innocent people. If gay sex was so harmful to society, the United States would no longer be a super power. Uganda is not going to rise as a "major power in Africa," if this is their path to do so, nor will America fall due to gay sex or even the legal acceptance of gay marriage.

8 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:35:17am

re: #5 wrenchwench

The island of Malta is incredibly devout, and has been for its whole history.

Yet somehow, they fail to dominate.

I bet that's Satan at work again.

Damn you, Satan. Oh wait.

9 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:35:41am

I know quite a few Ugandans, Christian and Muslim, who are deeply embarrassed by this legislation and have concerns about the potential ramifications. Oh, and pretty much across the board, they view Museveni as a dictator, and a corrupt one at that.

10 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:36:43am

Frank says:

A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it's not open

11 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:39:42am

re: #1 Gus

I couldn't agree more. This is a disgusting display of homophobia. The only way it could be worse is if they all came out and openly called for all LGBT people to be put to death. Many innocent people likely will be put to death now thanks to Uganda's disgusting new law.

12 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:40:28am

Elizabeth Taylor in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof right now, TCM.

She was the most beautiful woman in the woooorrrrrllld.

13 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:47:15am

re: #9 Dr Lizardo

I know quite a few Ugandans, Christian and Muslim, who are deeply embarrassed by this legislation and have concerns about the potential ramifications. Oh, and pretty much across the board, they view Museveni as a dictator, and a corrupt one at that.

The USA will look the other way because Museveni and the efforts to fight Al Qaeda.

Image: Museveni_Obama.jpg

14 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:47:55am

Just posted a page on test taking fraud. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

15 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:55:22am

When the Pilgrims arrived in America, they were undocumented aliens, refused to learn the language, and they still got free food from Americans.

16 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:57:58am

re: #13 Gus

Politics, bedfellows...like that.

17 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:58:32am

Charles Johnson,

By the way, Richard Bartholomew has written an extensive piece on this subject.

Museveni Prays About “The Sins of Uganda”, Wins Praise from US Christian Right [Link: barthsnotes.com...]

18 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 11:59:13am

re: #12 Stanghazi

She and Isabella Rossillini

19 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:01:29pm

re: #13 Gus

The USA will look the other way because Museveni and the efforts to fight Al Qaeda.

Image: Museveni_Obama.jpg

Most likely. Or they may make some diplomatic throat-clearing sounds, but that's really all that will come of it. I wonder how the former imperial masters, the U.K., will react? That could be interesting. Some of my Ugandan friends have expressed concern this could affect relations with the Brits, in a negative way.

20 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:02:00pm

When you get right down to it, the ugliest women, like the ugliest men, no matter their outward appearance are terminally ugly on the inside.

That means the most beautiful people are only beautiful if they are that way inside.

21 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:02:20pm

Because outlawing something will totally guarantee it never, EVER happens.

22 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:02:52pm

re: #20 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

When you get right down to it, the ugliest women, like the ugliest men, no matter their outward appearance are terminally ugly on the inside.

That means the most beautiful people are only beautiful if they are that way inside.

Ann Coulter is UGLY personified!

23 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:04:08pm

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

Ann Coulter is UGLY personified!

Incredibly so.

24 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:05:41pm

re: #10 Varek Raith

Frank says:

A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it's not open

And if it's too open, you drop like a rock.

25 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:06:04pm

re: #16 researchok

Politics, bedfellows...like that.

I've got a pretty good BS meter on these things. These are long standing US policies that will likely never change. In Uganda you have Museveni (National Resistance Movement) and then the Lord's Resistance Army and Al Qaeda. You have to chose between the lesser of two evils. So the USA picks Museveni. But hey, what's the big deal about killing a few gay people just to protect what is effectively a US economic interest. Right? Seriously? Some would call it pragmatic or reality based. I see it as completely opposite of a progressive foreign policy. This is happening in Egypt and Bahrain. It will likely soon happen in Libya too once the dust settles. America will continue to coddle with dictators.

26 bratwurst  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:06:45pm
27 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:06:56pm

re: #17 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson,

By the way, Richard Bartholomew has written an extensive piece on this subject.

Museveni Prays About “The Sins of Uganda”, Wins Praise from US Christian Right [Link: barthsnotes.com...]

While Museveni gets military and USAid as a regional partner.

28 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:07:16pm

re: #21 dragonfire1981

Because outlawing something will totally guarantee it never, EVER happens.

Well, everyone knows that! //

29 calochortus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:07:52pm

Note to Mr. Fischer: Just because something can be done doesn't mean it's a good idea.

30 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:08:13pm

re: #28 Dr Lizardo

Well, everyone knows that! //

I only adhere to laws that make sense to me.

31 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:08:53pm

re: #30 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

I only adhere to laws that make sense to me.

And I'd be largely inclined to follow you in that example.

32 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:12:28pm

Damn bigoted evangelical meddling...Scott "twatwaffle" Lively is one of the major causes behind this in the first place!

(2010)
Americans’ Role Seen in Uganda Anti-Gay Push

KAMPALA, Uganda — Last March, three American evangelical Christians, whose teachings about “curing” homosexuals have been widely discredited in the United States, arrived here in Uganda’s capital to give a series of talks.

The theme of the event, according to Stephen Langa, its Ugandan organizer, was “the gay agenda — that whole hidden and dark agenda” — and the threat homosexuals posed to Bible-based values and the traditional African family.

For three days, according to participants and audio recordings, thousands of Ugandans, including police officers, teachers and national politicians, listened raptly to the Americans, who were presented as experts on homosexuality. The visitors discussed how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how “the gay movement is an evil institution” whose goal is “to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.”

Now the three Americans are finding themselves on the defensive, saying they had no intention of helping stoke the kind of anger that could lead to what came next: a bill to impose a death sentence for homosexual behavior.

P.Z. Myers Weighed in on this...

That’s pretty much standard anti-gay rhetoric here in the US; we’re inured to it, and unless you’re a victim of it, it’s fairly easy to ignore it — which is why the evangelical haters are still allowed to babble on the news...

...In Uganda, though, that rhetoric and false assumption of authority led to horrid abuses of civil rights, like the anti-homosexuality bill. At least now, though, we can get specific and name names for the people responsible for inciting hatred of gays in Africa.

The three Americans who spoke at the conference — Scott Lively, a missionary who has written several books against homosexuality, including “7 Steps to Recruit-Proof Your Child”; Caleb Lee Brundidge, a self-described former gay man who leads “healing seminars”; and Don Schmierer, a board member of Exodus International, whose mission is “mobilizing the body of Christ to minister grace and truth to a world impacted by homosexuality” — are now trying to distance themselves from the bill.

I'm quite sure Scott is very fucking happy about this, after all he has been working on making it happen for years! Asshole...

33 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:12:41pm

re: #31 Dr Lizardo

And I'd be largely inclined to follow you in that example.

It's good that we're not fruitcakes then.

34 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:13:50pm

re: #32 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Damn bigoted evangelical meddling...Scott "twatwaffle" Lively is one of the major causes behind this in the first place!

(2010)
Americans’ Role Seen in Uganda Anti-Gay Push

P.Z. Myers Weighs in on this...

I'm quite sure Scott is very fucking happy about this, after all he has been working on making it happen for years! Asshole...

Takeaway?

Twatwaffle

35 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:14:02pm

re: #32 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Damn bigoted evangelical meddling...Scott "twatwaffle" Lively is one of the major causes behind this in the first place!

(2010)
Americans’ Role Seen in Uganda Anti-Gay Push

P.Z. Myers Weighs in on this...

I'm quite sure Scott is very fucking happy about this, after all he has been working on making it happen for years! Asshole...

Could you clarify what a "twatwaffle" is. I'm not sure I'm familiar with one.

Does it taste better with Maple syrup?

36 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:17:03pm

re: #35 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Could you clarify what a "twatwaffle" is. I'm not sure I'm familiar with one.

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

37 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:17:31pm

So how come Saudi, Iran, and Afghanistan under the Taliban haven't become major world powers? Oh wait, wrong religion. //

38 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:17:43pm

re: #35 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Could you clarify what a "twatwaffle" is. I'm not sure I'm familiar with one.

Take your pick...

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

or in sign language...

39 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:17:53pm

Link

Even with angry face, beautiful.

(don't see the "insert text here" thingy anymore)

40 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:19:59pm

re: #10 Varek Raith

Frank says:

A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it's not open

On the other hand...

41 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:20:01pm

re: #39 Stanghazi

Check this out.

Take a moment or two:

42 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:21:03pm

re: #39 Stanghazi

Link

Even with angry face, beautiful.

(don't see the "insert text here" thingy anymore)

Yeah not working for me anymore either, just erase "Link" at the end of the URL and paste in your text.

43 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:21:21pm
44 RadicalModerate  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:22:02pm
Lively said he didn’t agree with the death penalty provision but supports the nation’s strong stance against homosexual behavior.

Scott Lively is lying through his teeth when he says this.

He, along with others were key influences on getting the Ugandan "death penalty" bill on the books.

From LGF, Jan 6, 2010:
Video: A Religious Right ‘Nuclear Bomb’ in Uganda

Video: World Net Daily Columnist Supports Uganda Death Penalty for Gays

More from the Southern Poverty Legal Center:
[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

45 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:22:10pm

re: #25 Gus

As odd as it sounds, when you look back at Nixon, he was a real progressive when it came to foreign policy.

Think China and SALT treaties.

46 BongCrodny  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:22:43pm

Log Cabin Republicans can take great pride in knowing they vote the same way as Bryan Fischer

47 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:24:45pm

re: #41 researchok

Check this out.

Take a moment or two:

[Embedded content]

Oh my yes.

48 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:25:07pm

This one is on a roll...

49 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:25:22pm

re: #18 researchok

She and Isabella Rossillini

Don't forget Isabella's mama.

50 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:25:30pm

re: #36 Gus

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

...mash themselves into her undercarriage, leaving an angry red waffle-like pattern.

That can't be good.

51 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:25:31pm

re: #42 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Yeah not working for me anymore either, just erase "Link" at the end of the URL and paste in your text.

Thanks!

52 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:25:47pm

re: #47 Stanghazi

You are a master of understatement.

Classy.

53 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:25:51pm

re: #50 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

That can't be good.

Yeah. The first one is pretty gross.

54 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:26:32pm

re: #48 Gus

This one is on a roll...

[Embedded content]

Shorter answer. Keep sending us money and let us do what we want.

55 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:26:50pm

re: #49 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Apples, trees.

Those two are proof of that.

56 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:29:20pm

re: #39 Stanghazi

Sea, just type whatever you want the link to say, and then select the text. While it's still selected hit the link button, paste in your URL, and click "OK", as usual. This will wrap the anchor tag around the text you selected.

57 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:30:58pm

I asked him this.

But he didn't directly respond.

Got it.

58 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:31:01pm

re: #54 Gus

Shorter answer. Keep sending us money and let us do what we want.

Giving aid to a group without making some kind of positive change a condition of that aid, makes the aid a waste of money/goods.

59 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:31:26pm

re: #32 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Ah, Scott Lively of the infamous Oregon Citizens Alliance, if I'm not mistaken. He and Lon Mabon are both massive douchesupertankers.

60 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:34:18pm

Translation.

"African governments have bigger issues to deal with so if they make homosexuality illegal it's not that big a deal."

Or something.

61 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:36:06pm

Have any of you twitter gurus found a way to automate the insertion of hashtags into a tweet?

62 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:36:35pm

re: #60 Gus

Translation.

"African governments have bigger issues to deal with so if they make homosexuality illegal it's not that big a deal."

Or something.

Alternate translation:

"No one I care about is gay, so it's not a big deal."

63 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:39:02pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

Alternate translation:

"No one I care about is gay, so it's not a big deal."

He's not American I know that. He's some kind of lefty though and he's talking about peace and disarming yet sprinkled with lower tax rates on Somalia. Weird.

64 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:39:30pm

re: #61 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Have any of you twitter gurus found a way to automate the insertion of hashtags into a tweet?

Only Tweetdeck can do that.

65 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:44:54pm

Man I sure put his knickers in a twist.


Feel free to Tweet something to him.

66 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:48:41pm


67 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:49:58pm

re: #64 Gus

Only Tweetdeck can do that.

Really? I use Tweetdeck. Since I'm too lazy to poke around, how do I do it?

68 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:51:43pm

re: #67 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Really? I use Tweetdeck. Since I'm too lazy to poke around, how do I do it?

Haven't used it for a while but try poking around here.

69 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:01:07pm

re: #68 Gus

Haven't used it for a while but try poking around here.

Thanks. It looks like the new Tweetdeck has had a few of the old Tweetdeck features removed.

70 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:02:34pm

re: #69 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Thanks. It looks like the new Tweetdeck has had a few of the old Tweetdeck features removed.

Weird. Charles might know.

71 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:12:04pm

Universal decriminalization of homosexuality a human rights imperative – Ban

10 December 2010 – Noting that over 70 countries still consider homosexuality a crime, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon today appealed for its complete and universal decriminalization, stressing that human rights must always trump cultural attitudes and societal strictures.

In an event on sexual orientation at UN Headquarters in New York, held in conjunction with Human Rights Day, Mr. Ban deplored discrimination against homosexuals and the violence of which they are often victims, for which the perpetrators escape punishment.

“Together, we seek the repeal of laws that criminalize homosexuality, that permit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, that encourage violence,” he said. “When individuals are attacked, abused or imprisoned because of their sexual orientation, we must speak out. We cannot stand by. We cannot be silent.

“This is all the more true in cases of violence. These are not merely assaults on individuals. They are attacks on all of us. They devastate families. They pit one group against another, dividing larger society. And when the perpetrators of violence escape without penalty, they make a mockery of the universal values we hold dear.”

Mr. Ban recognized that social attitudes run deep and social change often comes only with time, but he highlighted the collective responsibility to stand against discrimination, to defend fellow human beings and fundamental principles.

“Let there be no confusion: where there is tension between cultural attitudes and universal human rights, universal human rights must carry the day,” he said. “Personal disapproval, even society’s disapproval, is no excuse to arrest, detain, imprison, harass or torture anyone – ever.”

Continues.

72 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:22:27pm

re: #71 Gus

This is where the UN could (and should) be useful. Using it's bully pulpit to publicly identify and scold on an almost daily basis those member nations that still consider homosexuality a crime.

Going further, I'm sure they also could tie up some purse strings aimed for those nations until said laws are abolished

73 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:23:52pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

This is where the UN could (and should) be useful. Using it's bully pulpit to publicly identify and scold on an almost daily basis those member nations that still consider homosexuality a crime.

Going further, I'm sure they also could tie up some purse strings aimed for those nations until said laws are abolished

Indeed.

74 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:24:56pm

re: #73 Gus

Indeed.

It needs more than a "tsk tsk' onetime speach

75 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:25:57pm

re: #74 sattv4u2

It needs more than a "tsk tsk' onetime speach

Right. Actions speak louder than words. There must be tangible consequences.

76 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:26:31pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

Sadly, that won't ever happen.

77 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:27:22pm

re: #75 Gus

Right. Actions speak louder than words. There must be tangible consequences.

The ultimate one (for what the UN could do) is ban or not admit membership until the law is repealed.

78 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:27:22pm

re: #75 Gus

It is unlikely the UN will take on the Third World.

79 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:27:48pm

Gotta wonder, Gus, how Africanshaker feels about Scrote Lively interfering in Uganda's politics...

"Not important," I guess.

80 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:28:17pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

This is where the UN could (and should) be useful. Using it's bully pulpit to publicly identify and scold on an almost daily basis those member nations that still consider homosexuality a crime.

Going further, I'm sure they also could tie up some purse strings aimed for those nations until said laws are abolished

Sadly Uganda is on the Human Rights Council for the UN. Along with Saudi Arabia, China, and a whole bunch of other shitty countries.

81 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:28:32pm

re: #78 researchok

The current UN Committee on Human Rights would have to be disbanded.

82 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:30:12pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

{sigh}

83 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:30:35pm

re: #78 researchok

It is unlikely the UN will take on the Third World.

Maybe they'll throw an IBM Selectric at Museveni.

84 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:30:54pm

re: #81 researchok

The current UN Committee on Human Rights would have to be disbanded.

Can't be done

Too many upscale NYC restaurants would go out of business!!
//

85 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:33:19pm

In "Birds of a Feather" News

[Link: www.tmz.com...]
Charlie Sheen Paid Lindsay Lohan $100K to Cover Tax Debt

86 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:33:52pm

The only realistic alternative to the UN (as it relates to Human Rights) would be an organization whose membership would be restricted to food exporting nations only.

It is interesting to note nations which export food tend to be more liberal and democratic.

There is a link.

As a matter of fact, a free Poland is well on her way to becoming Eastern Europe's breadbasket once again.

87 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:34:04pm

re: #83 Gus

LOLOL

88 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:34:14pm

Jimmy Stewart & Margaret Sullivan in "The Mortal Storm" now on TCM.

89 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:37:14pm

re: #88 Stanghazi

Jimmy Stewart & Margaret Sullivan in "The Mortal Storm" now on TCM.

I'll see that and call you with The Longest Day on Encore Drama Channel,, (not to mention the three afternoon NFL games)

90 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:37:42pm

Uganda, Al Qaeda, M23, Congo...

LGBT's in Uganda go under the bus.

91 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:38:01pm

re: #88 Stanghazi

Jimmy Stewart & Margaret Sullivan in "The Mortal Storm" now on TCM.

University professor Victor Roth leads a contented life with family and friends in the south German Alps of 1933. This changes quickly and dramatically once Adolf Hitler comes to power. Most of the town embraces the new creed while a few friends such as Martin Breitner do not. Victor himself is "non-Aryan" and his two step-sons soon leave his house, while his loyal daughter Freya breaks her engagement from Nazi-inclined Fritz. Against increasing difficulties an attachment between Freya and Martin starts to grow.

Filmed 1940

92 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:40:26pm

re: #85 sattv4u2

In "Birds of a Feather" News

[Link: www.tmz.com...]
Charlie Sheen Paid Lindsay Lohan $100K to Cover Tax Debt

Don't their checks take out taxes? It appears not. Or maybe the fees they receive for showing up at clubs doesn't.

Pitiful.

93 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:40:53pm

re: #86 researchok

The only realistic alternative to the UN (as it relates to Human Rights) would be an organization whose membership would be restricted to food exporting nations only.

It is interesting to note nations which export food tend to be more liberal and democratic.

There is a link.

As a matter of fact, a free Poland is well on her way to becoming Eastern Europe's breadbasket once again.

Or a League of Democracies, NATO, India, Israel, etc. It'll never happen but it's a nice idea.

94 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:41:12pm

I'm surprised nobody brought up that crazy "poo-poo" guy and video from Uganda.

95 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:41:23pm

Indianapolis Colts coach Chuck Pagano was diagnosed with cancer at the start of the season
In a show of solidarity many of the players shaved their heads as Chuck undergoes chemo

HOWEVER,, THESE gals have GUTS!!

[Link: www.nfl.com...]
Colts cheerleaders shave heads in honor of Pagano

96 abolitionist  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:42:46pm

re: #94 Gus

I'm surprised nobody brought up that crazy "poo-poo" guy and video from Uganda.

He seemed obsessed. Odd that.

97 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:42:50pm

re: #92 Stanghazi

Don't their checks take out taxes? It appears not. Or maybe the fees they receive for showing up at clubs doesn't.

Pitiful.

No. They're considered private contractors when picked for a movie/ TV show/ concert gig, ect

98 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:43:59pm

re: #96 abolitionist

He seemed obsessed. Odd that.

99 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:45:27pm

re: #98 Gus

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NO U

100 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:45:56pm

re: #98 Gus

[Embedded content]

For someone so against it, he sure does have good technique wrt "de anal leecking"

And that shirt,,, that shirt!!!

101 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:46:44pm

re: #97 sattv4u2

No. They're considered private contractors when picked for a movie/ TV show/ concert gig, ect

Well, that's where the trouble begins.

102 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:47:56pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

The reason I'd suggest food exporting nations is because the criteria for membership is clear. No ideological/political/religious bias claims can be made.

103 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:49:03pm

re: #101 Stanghazi

Well, that's where the trouble begins.

Why? Why is it someone else's job (in this case a Hollywood studio) to take out taxes of a private contractor? Ever have work done at your home? Carpentry, electrical, plumbing. Did you withhold their tax burden, file the forms and send it into the IRS ?

104 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:49:44pm

fanatical Christian fundamentalist president

considering the record of american politicians with this kind of legislative initiative, definitely increases the odds that he will be apologizing for taking up with a rent boy sometime in the future

105 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:54:17pm

re: #102 researchok

The reason I'd suggest food exporting nations is because the criteria for membership is clear. No ideological/political/religious bias claims can be made.

I would think the whole idea would be to make an ideological requirement. Basic respect for human rights, freedom of religion, something resembling democratic government. The Saudis shouldn't be excluded because they live in a desert, they should be excluded for neglecting basic human rights and freedoms.

106 RadicalModerate  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 1:54:40pm

America's CEOs have put forward their idea on how to address the impending "fiscal cliff". An idea where they completely drop their facade about giving a damn about the "47-percenters".

CEO Council Demands Cuts To Poor, Elderly While Reaping Billions In Government Contracts, Tax Breaks

During the past few days, CEOs belonging to what the campaign calls its CEO Fiscal Leadership Council -- most visibly, Goldman Sachs' Lloyd Blankfein and Honeywell's David Cote -- have barnstormed the media, making the case that the only way to cut the deficit is to severely scale back social safety-net programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security -- which would disproportionately impact the poor and the elderly.

As part of their push, they are advocating a "territorial tax system" that would exempt their companies' foreign profits from taxation, netting them about $134 billion in tax savings, according to a new report from the Institute for Policy Studies titled "The CEO Campaign to ‘Fix’ the Debt: A Trojan Horse for Massive Corporate Tax Breaks" -- money that could help pay off the federal budget deficit.

Yet the CEOs are not offering to forgo federal money or pay a higher tax rate, on their personal income or corporate profits. Instead, council recommendations include cutting "entitlement" programs, as well as what they call "low-priority spending."

107 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:01:54pm

re: #106 RadicalModerate

America's CEOs have put forward their idea on how to address the impending "fiscal cliff". An idea where they completely drop their facade about giving a damn about the "47-percenters".

CEO Council Demands Cuts To Poor, Elderly While Reaping Billions In Government Contracts, Tax Breaks

re: #106 RadicalModerate

America's CEOs have put forward their idea on how to address the impending "fiscal cliff". An idea where they completely drop their facade about giving a damn about the "47-percenters".

CEO Council Demands Cuts To Poor, Elderly While Reaping Billions In Government Contracts, Tax Breaks

The irony of this is that we would need far less entitlement programs if wage growth kept up with income growth of the the top 1 percent. I think Walmart is a good example of this. A good majority of their workers require some form of government assistance. So in the end what do they want? Low income workers and no safety net or assistance to see their incomes rise even more through further tax cuts?

108 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:02:23pm

Teenage protester killed in Egypt riot

Security officials say rioters have stormed a Muslim Brotherhood headquarters building in northern Egypt, and a teenager protester was killed.

It was the first death in three days of street battles after a power grab by the country's president.

A 15-year-old died and 40 people were injured in the clash between protesters and police late Sunday in the town of Damanhoor in the Nile delta, according to security officials.

109 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:05:41pm

one dog bathed, the other in hiding!!

110 RadicalModerate  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:08:21pm

re: #107 Gus

re: #106 RadicalModerate

The irony of this is that we would need far less entitlement programs if wage growth kept up with income growth of the the top 1 percent. I think Walmart is a good example of this. A good majority of their workers require some form of government assistance. So in the end what do they want? Low income workers and no safety net or assistance to see their incomes rise even more through further tax cuts?

Two of the key findings from the Institute for Policy Studies' report on the CEO Proposal:

(1) The 63 Fix the Debt companies that are publicly held stand to gain as much as $134 billion in windfalls if Congress approves one of their main proposals — a “territorial tax system.” Under this system, companies would not have to pay U.S. federal income taxes on foreign earnings when they bring the profits back to the United States.

(2) Of the 63 Fix the Debt CEOs at publicly held firms, 24 received more in compensation last year than their corporations paid in federal corporate income taxes. All but six of these firms reported U.S. profits last year.

Yes, it is ALL about their lining of their pockets.

111 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:11:12pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Who decides which nation is democratic?

The Chinese will tell you they are, as well as the Russians.

Israel is also a desert nation- and they manage to export food.

112 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:14:39pm

re: #110 RadicalModerate

Two of the key findings from the Institute for Policy Studies' report on the CEO Proposal:

Yes, it is ALL about their lining of their pockets.

Would they pay any foreign taxes?

So let me get this straight. A so called US corporation would not get taxed in the US. Their manufacturing facilities would be located in China and their customer service call center would be located in India. Their research facilities would be filled with non-citizen Visa employees and their corporate headquarters would have the least employees filled with American citizens.

How do they get to call themselves an "American" corporation?

113 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:15:49pm

We'll have "American" corporations with 100 employees in the USA and 10,000 spread out throughout China and India.

That's not an American corporation. That's bullshit.

114 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:17:50pm

re: #113 Gus

Already the case!

115 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:18:17pm

re: #111 researchok

Who decides which nation is democratic?

The Chinese will tell you they are, as well as the Russians.

Israel is also a desert nation- and they manage to export food.

I think there could be some reasonable guidelines. Another potential problem with linking it to food export is the global food crisis which we don't hear much about in the US . Rising food prices is hitting poor countries in Africa and Asia where more and more of the per capita income is being spent of food. Those countries are going to start keeping more food at home instead of exporting or face popular uprisings.

116 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:18:59pm

re: #114 researchok

Already the case!

Ironical ain't it? The USA has the most billionaires today thanks to the consequences of Mao's handiwork. Weird that.

117 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:21:23pm

OMG1 Obama was ready to hand the drones over to Mitt!

Obama 'drone-warfare rulebook' condemned by human rights groups

The New York Times said that, facing the possibility that the president might not be re-elected, work began in the weeks running up to the 6 November election to "develop explicit rules for the targeted killing of terrorists by unmanned drones, so that a new president would inherit clear standards and procedures, according to two administration officials".

118 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:25:16pm

Remember the 120 people lost in Bangladesh when thinking about "American" Corporations.

119 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:26:25pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

OMG1 Obama was ready to hand the drones over to Mitt!

Obama 'drone-warfare rulebook' condemned by human rights groups

They do kind of come with the job, just like always being followed around by a man with the "football" does.

120 KiTA  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:29:30pm
121 electrotek  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:29:48pm

What will gay conservative wingnuts say about this? I haven't seen any of them comment about the disgusting Uganda overtures to criminalize homosexuality.

122 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:30:09pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

OMG1 Obama was ready to hand the drones over to Mitt!

Obama 'drone-warfare rulebook' condemned by human rights groups

Once a person is determined to be a terrorist, the rules are there are no rules.
One example, Reagan's 1981 order banning political assassinations.. We've come around to the notion that those sort of restrictions don't apply to terrorists or politicians who support terrorism. Executive Order 12333

123 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:31:14pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

OMG1 Obama was ready to hand the drones over to Mitt!

Obama 'drone-warfare rulebook' condemned by human rights groups

I think their use in warfare is useful. However, there are larger questions here which can be summed up in a couple of questions.

Are we OK with president being able to carry out "private" and secret wars without the consent of congress and the American public?

Are we also willing to allow the president to continue to carry out the extra-judicial killing of citizens and non-citizens around the world and again with little or no congressional oversight and kept secret from the American public?

Is this the way a true democracy behaves?

Is this a slippery slope?

124 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:32:43pm

re: #122 Mich-again

Once a person is determined to be a terrorist, the rules are there are no rules.
One example, Reagan's 1981 order banning political assassinations.. We've come around to the notion that those sort of restrictions don't apply to terrorists or politicians who support terrorism. Executive Order 12333

It is kind of interesting to see how the program has evolved. I think the program is probably a necessity, I can understand the moral/legal/ethical objections to it but I haven't seen much of a practical alternative put forward by opponents.

125 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:34:19pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

It is kind of interesting to see how the program has evolved. I think the program is probably a necessity, I can understand the moral/legal/ethical objections to it but I haven't seen much of a practical alternative put forward by opponents.

The practical alternative is to see Al Qaeda, the Taliban, etc., as symptoms rather than the actual disease.

126 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:35:04pm

re: #125 Gus

The practical alternative is to see Al Qaeda, the Taliban, etc., as symptoms rather than the actual disease.

Part of the alternative not the be all end all.

127 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:35:11pm

re: #123 Gus

It all boils down to whether or not you trust the president- any president..

There will always be information we are not privy to- nor should we be.

Obama has given no reason why he ought not be trusted on national security.

If that ever does become the case, we can take up the issue then.

128 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:36:05pm

re: #125 Gus

Then we can think of the use of drones as chemotherapy.

129 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:36:06pm

re: #127 researchok

It all boils down to whether or not you trust the president- any president..

There will always be information we are not privy to- nor should we be.

Obama has given no reason why he ought not be trusted on national security.

If that ever does become the case, we can take up the issue then.

Yeah, I'm not exactly freaking out here. ;)

130 Godisdeadandburied  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:38:37pm

Wanting to outlaw sex between consenting adults; typical Republican "small government."

131 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:39:27pm

re: #129 Gus

Yeah, I'm not exactly freaking out here. ;)

I understand the desire for oversight- but it isn't as if we have evidence of clear and deliberate misuse of power here.

If anything, just the opposite is true. Obama has been clear and deliberate in his prosecution of terror.

The actions and decisions of the Office of the Presidency are not subject of public disclosure.

Period.

132 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:39:30pm

re: #123 Gus

I think their use in warfare is useful. However, there are larger questions here which can be summed up in a couple of questions.

Are we OK with president being able to carry out "private" and secret wars without the consent of congress and the American public?

Are we also willing to allow the president to continue to carry out the extra-judicial killing of citizens and non-citizens around the world and again with little or no congressional oversight and kept secret from the American public?

Is this the way a true democracy behaves?

Is this a slippery slope?

Well, In an attempt to answer all those questions: I think this stuff has been going on behind the scenes for a very long time. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Unfortunately the legal framework for this kind of thing is always a bit sketchy. Gitmo was a nice try but it doesn't work. Civilians trials would work in a few select cases but not in most. The only other alternative is to skip the capture and kill them in the field. People only get uncomfortable when this stuff is visible and in public view. If there was a way to do this secretly and out of sight, more people would be happy with it. Kind of like buying meat at the supermarket as long as you don;t have to think about the slaughter house.

133 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:39:58pm

re: #123 Gus

I think their use in warfare is useful. However, there are larger questions here which can be summed up in a couple of questions.

Are we OK with president being able to carry out "private" and secret wars without the consent of congress and the American public?

Are we also willing to allow the president to continue to carry out the extra-judicial killing of citizens and non-citizens around the world and again with little or no congressional oversight and kept secret from the American public?

Is this the way a true democracy behaves?

Is this a slippery slope?

there's democracy, and then there's stuff that presidents think it would be dangerous to tell the public about

obama infamously supported giving the telecoms retroactive immunity from prosecution for having violated the privacy rights of their customers, actions which were still illegal even under the 4th amendment shredding "patriot" act - so i was clear to me even by the time i voted for him in 2008 that he could not be counted on in this matter

134 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:45:39pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Well, In an attempt to answer all those questions: I think this stuff has been going on behind the scenes for a very long time. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Unfortunately the legal framework for this kind of thing is always a bit sketchy. Gitmo was a nice try but it doesn't work. Civilians trials would work in a few select cases but not in most. The only other alternative is to skip the capture and kill them in the field. People only get uncomfortable when this stuff is visible and in public view. If there was a way to do this secretly and out of sight, more people would be happy with it. Kind of like buying meat at the supermarket as long as you don;t have to think about the slaughter house.

Typical wiffle waffle with nothing but bomb dropping.

And the last one was exceptional.

If we idiots didn't know, we wouldn't care.

135 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:45:40pm

re: #131 researchok

I understand the desire for oversight- but it isn't as if we have evidence of clear and deliberate misuse of power here.

If anything, just the opposite is true. Obama has been clear and deliberate in his prosecution of terror.

The actions and decisions of the Office of the Presidency are not subject of public disclosure.

Period.

Not to the point of opening the books on exact target locations and procedures. But an overall strategy should be known to the American public. Sorry, but the old "I got this" meme attached to Obama was cute but not reflective of a true democracy. Yes, he's got this but he has an obligation to explain to the American public what exactly is our long term goals in AFPAK. This goes beyond saying we're leaving in 2014. It seems as though we've reached the point where we elect a president and are told to effectively sit down and shut up because, "I've got this."

136 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:46:34pm

re: #125 Gus

The practical alternative is to see Al Qaeda, the Taliban, etc., as symptoms rather than the actual disease.

That's a bigger can of worms. Yes they are a symptom of a much larger problem but all too often people think of these groups only when they attack Western targets. Sadly, there are terrorist attacks on civilains every single day. Attacks on Mosques, churches, festivals, markets, schools, political assassinations. As the world has gotten smaller over recent decades we are inevitably going to be targets as well. Nothing we do will change the motivation, for terrorist groups like Taliban and Al Qaeda this is just the way they do business, we're a target just like everybody else and nothing we do is going to change that.

137 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:46:49pm

You know. Cambodia ring a bell? Latin America anyone? Central America? Heck, at this rate than Reagan was right in carrying out Iran-Contra.

138 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:47:34pm

Iran-Contra. Some things are best not told to the American public. I mean, it worked right?

140 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 2:58:42pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

That's a bigger can of worms. Yes they are a symptom of a much larger problem but all too often people think of these groups only when they attack Western targets. Sadly, there are terrorist attacks on civilains every single day. Attacks on Mosques, churches, festivals, markets, schools, political assassinations. As the world has gotten smaller over recent decades we are inevitably going to be targets as well. Nothing we do will change the motivation, for terrorist groups like Taliban and Al Qaeda this is just the way they do business, we're a target just like everybody else and nothing we do is going to change that.

Bomb claimed by Taliban hits Shiite religious procession in Pakistan, killing 6, wounding 90

142 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:04:21pm

re: #137 Gus

The government by necessity gets to keep some secrets. The Manhattan Project was also secret. And that one is somewhat divisive too, but it's a good thought experiment if you agree that discovery of the A-bomb was inevitable post-War anyway, and that the other nations were also working on it.

But drones aren't like that. They're just another way of shooting people, and so we already have the answers to when they are allowed. If it'd be okay to go shoot the guy or drop a bomb on him, fine, but if not, then not.

I'm unconvinced of the efficacy of blowing away random Jihadis in Pakistan. But I know shit about waging war or intelligence or whatever. Maybe it's really awesome, it just seems brutally futile to me.

143 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:10:04pm

re: #142 Obdicut

The government by necessity gets to keep some secrets. The Manhattan Project was also secret. And that one is somewhat divisive too, but it's a good thought experiment if you agree that discovery of the A-bomb was inevitable post-War anyway, and that the other nations were also working on it.

But drones aren't like that. They're just another way of shooting people, and so we already have the answers to when they are allowed. If it'd be okay to go shoot the guy or drop a bomb on him, fine, but if not, then not.

I'm unconvinced of the efficacy of blowing away random Jihadis in Pakistan. But I know shit about waging war or intelligence or whatever. Maybe it's really awesome, it just seems brutally futile to me.

I think it's extremely futile and won't work to end it. Perhaps it will curtail their arrogance but in the long run what will change things is a change within said nations. The Taliban will have to see the futility of their attempt to take control of Pakistan even though they have control over large portions of Western Pakistan. At one point they had total control over Afghanistan and their brutality was largely ignored by western states.

144 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:12:29pm

re: #143 Gus

Basically, the liberalization of those societies. Heh.

145 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:13:15pm

Save us ancient aliens!

146 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:13:39pm

re: #144 Obdicut

Basically, the liberalization of those societies. Heh.

Pretty much. But look at what's normal in that region and it's far from liberal. Their normal is extremist to most American eyes. I think Afghanistan has already made that clear.

147 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:14:34pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Save us ancient aliens!

I'm not saying it was Aliens..

148 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:15:18pm

Wait 1000 years.

149 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:15:42pm
150 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:15:49pm

48 hours till my flight takes off. (deep breath)

151 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:16:09pm

Ugh, note to self, being on vacation does not make sleeping all day a good idea.

152 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:16:38pm

re: #149 Varek Raith

China lands first jet on aircraft carrier
DOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!

Wolverines!

153 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:17:26pm

I don't know why I find this hilarious but I do.

Image: tumblr_mb9rgiYAek1r08s3do1_500.jpg

154 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:17:39pm

re: #149 Varek Raith

China lands first jet on aircraft carrier
DOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!

Why hasn't Obama done anything to stop this!?! Now we'll have to build another 12 aircraft carriers to defend ourselves!

//

155 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:18:54pm

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

48 hours till my flight takes off. (deep breath)

Be safe and have a very very happy time.

156 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:19:25pm

re: #139 Varek Raith

Image: im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-benghazi.jpg

Was just reading that McCain's reached desperation on Benghazi. Told the folks at Fox News Sunday that he's willing to give Rice a pass, but she's gotta roll on Obama. She's gotta tell him and the rest of the conspiracy theorists what they want to hear and all will be forgiven.

157 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:21:44pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

How did conspiracy theory get so mainstreamed on the right-wing? Is it just a side effect of grasping at straws, or is it from the anti-science shit, or what the fuck is going on with this bullshit?

158 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:22:38pm

re: #157 Obdicut

How did conspiracy theory get so mainstreamed on the right-wing? Is it just a side effect of grasping at straws, or is it from the anti-science shit, or what the fuck is going on with this bullshit?

Ni-CLANG!

159 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:23:02pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

Was just reading that McCain's reached desperation on Benghazi. Told the folks at Fox News Sunday that he's willing to give Rice a pass, but she's gotta roll on Obama. She's gotta tell him and the rest of the conspiracy theorists what they want to hear and all will be forgiven.

Did he do the jazz McCain hands thing?

//

160 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:23:48pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

Was just reading that McCain's reached desperation on Benghazi. Told the folks at Fox News Sunday that he's willing to give Rice a pass, but she's gotta roll on Obama. She's gotta tell him and the rest of the conspiracy theorists what they want to hear and all will be forgiven.

John McCain has devolved into his true self...a bitter, decrepit man with anger issues and no moral compass. He'll say and do anything to get even with that black man for humiliating him at the polls in 2008...and he blames Obama, and not his pick of Sarah Palin, for his losing as bad as he did.

161 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:24:42pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

Was just reading that McCain's reached desperation on Benghazi. Told the folks at Fox News Sunday that he's willing to give Rice a pass, but she's gotta roll on Obama. She's gotta tell him and the rest of the conspiracy theorists what they want to hear and all will be forgiven.

Fuck McCain.

There...I said it. With me, his reservoir of goodwill has run bone dry.

162 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:25:19pm

re: #160 darthstar

John McCain has devolved into his true self...a bitter, decrepit man with anger issues and no moral compass. He'll say and do anything to get even with that black man for humiliating him at the polls in 2008...and he blames Obama, and not his pick of Sarah Palin, for his losing as bad as he did.

He's just setting himself up for 2016.

//

163 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:25:26pm

re: #160 darthstar

John McCain has devolved into his true self...a bitter, decrepit man with anger issues and no moral compass. He'll say and do anything to get even with that black man for humiliating him at the polls in 2008...and he blames Obama, and not his pick of Sarah Palin, for his losing as bad as he did.

Hey, how was your feast? If you did before I missed it. Please describe.......

164 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:26:21pm
165 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:27:02pm

re: #160 darthstar

John McCain has devolved into his true self...a bitter, decrepit man with anger issues and no moral compass. He'll say and do anything to get even with that black man for humiliating him at the polls in 2008...and he blames Obama, and not his pick of Sarah Palin, for his losing as bad as he did.

He knows that the Arizona Tea Party will dump him in the primary election the next time he runs unless he builds up some wingnut cred.

166 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:27:35pm

re: #165 Mich-again

He knows that the Arizona Tea Party will dump him in the primary election the next time he runs unless he builds up some wingnut cred.

I thought that 2010 was his last go-around?

167 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:27:59pm

re: #160 darthstar

John McCain has devolved into his true self...a bitter, decrepit man with anger issues and no moral compass. He'll say and do anything to get even with that black man for humiliating him at the polls in 2008...and he blames Obama, and not his pick of Sarah Palin, for his losing as bad as he did.

I'm not sure it's totally getting even, I think at this point he knows he's never going to be president and his days of amounting to anything in the Senate are quickly running down. Even if he wins reelection, which is by no means guaranteed anymore, he's still not in line to sit as chairman of any Senate committee's beyond Indian Affairs. A special committee to look into Benghazi, which he's saying is as bad or worse than Watergate, is his last chance at remaining relevant.

168 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:28:23pm

re: #157 Obdicut

How did conspiracy theory get so mainstreamed on the right-wing? Is it just a side effect of grasping at straws, or is it from the anti-science shit, or what the fuck is going on with this bullshit?

Do you really think that the anti-science party had a choice? If they don't fully embrace conspiracy what can they believe in? When you don't accept the truth what else can you do?

169 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:28:42pm

re: #165 Mich-again

He knows that the Arizona Tea Party will dump him in the primary election the next time he runs unless he builds up some wingnut cred.

HE SHOULD RETIRE. He has enough $. It's all ego. All ego/ooooh the power! for all of them.

170 dragonath  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:29:31pm

Excusing the actions of right wing religious fanatics with "hey, at least they aren't the Taliban" doesn't really cut it anymore...

171 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:29:47pm

re: #163 Stanghazi

Hey, how was your feast? If you did before I missed it. Please describe.......

We had TG at my brother's house. I brought a small ham which I glazed with brown sugar and hot mustard and served as an appetizer (it was 27 ounces). That all got eaten. We deep fried his turkey, and fortunately my paranoia paid off and we pulled it about 10 minutes early. No leftovers, however, so right now my wife is making stuffing and we're going to roast our own turkey tonight...I pulled the legs and thighs off since we don't need 15 lbs of turkey for two people, and we're going to make turkey leg confit with those overnight and save those for the ski house this winter.

Other than that, pretty mellow. Had a nice brunch today after surfing. Waves were big and I torqued my right shoulder pretty bad. Nothing bourbon can't fix.

172 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:30:14pm

re: #169 Stanghazi

HE SHOULD RETIRE. He has enough $. It's all ego. All ego/ooooh the power! for all of them.

My guess is that he will retire if only to avoid a nasty primary battle.

Perhaps Jan Brewer can run, if she remembers.....

173 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:31:09pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

Hey, how was your feast? If you did before I missed it. Please describe.......

And yours?

174 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:32:39pm

re: #172 Iwouldprefernotto

My guess is that he will retire if only to avoid a nasty primary battle.

Perhaps Jan Brewer can run, if she remembers.....

He sold his soul in the last primary battle. He's got nothing left to give...but I'd love to see him run just so an opponent could spend three months shitting all over his name before beating him in the primary.

175 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:33:35pm

Evening Lizardim. Tomorrow starts another work week, sigh. I don't want to go back to reality. How fare things among the reptilefolk?

176 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:34:24pm

re: #171 darthstar

We had TG at my brother's house. I brought a small ham which I glazed with brown sugar and hot mustard and served as an appetizer (it was 27 ounces). That all got eaten. We deep fried his turkey, and fortunately my paranoia paid off and we pulled it about 10 minutes early. No leftovers, however, so right now my wife is making stuffing and we're going to roast our own turkey tonight...I pulled the legs and thighs off since we don't need 15 lbs of turkey for two people, and we're going to make turkey leg confit with those overnight and save those for the ski house this winter.
Other than that, pretty mellow. Had a nice brunch today after surfing. Waves were big and I torqued my right shoulder pretty bad. Nothing bourbon can't fix.

Sounds very very good. After turkey for yourself is smart. How many times we go somewhere else and have 0 leftovers.

Actually someone re-tweeted this Dr. saying after today, your leftovers are NO GOOD.

177 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:35:42pm

Something to irritate wingnuts if you're up to it.

#ObamasNextBook

Try and mention 8 years a lot. :D

178 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:37:37pm

re: #177 Gus

Something to irritate wingnuts if you're up to it.

#ObamasNextBook

Try and mention 8 years a lot. :D

I read the first 20. No teleprompter jokes.

179 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:38:13pm

re: #173 darthstar

And yours?

Crazy religious family in South Carolina. I was skeptical of the dinner...cabbage casserole....but really they did the food really good. (Turkey, ham, my Dad does an insanely sagey dressing) No help from me, "others" were not allowed in the kitchen.

It got wacky with the religion BS. I'm home now, recovered, but I think it's their sore-losing the election. They are NOT that religious. Well, they weren't before.

They were pissed (I found out later) it was because I said OMG.

180 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:40:49pm

Sunday Afternoon Macro
I just felt a little inspired after an hour of music online. Grabbed my 7D and a macro lens and hit the yard. All hand held, no tripod.

181 dragonath  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:42:32pm

...speaking of Uganda:

Uganda threatens to quit hunt for Joseph Kony

Yeah, that Joseph Kony, the guy responsible for wanton killing of animals, human rights abuses of the worst order, and about a million war crimes. And he's fighting a civil war against the government.

But Uganda is threatening to call off their search out of spite.

Uh.

182 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:43:45pm

Lord, it seems like every time I turn around, either Microsoft's released a bunch of updates or Firefox has.

183 dragonath  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 3:52:20pm

re: #179 Stanghazi

They were pissed (I found out later) it was because I said OMG.

OMG.

Whatever you do, don't tell em you used the dreaded LOL

184 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:01:29pm

re: #180 Political Atheist

Sunday Afternoon Macro
I just felt a little inspired after an hour of music online. Grabbed my 7D and a macro lens and hit the yard. All hand held, no tripod.

If I went macro outside all I'd get would be snow.

185 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:08:21pm

re: #149 Varek Raith

China lands first jet on aircraft carrier
DOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!

OH NO! Now they're only 67 years behind the west!

186 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:37:54pm

re: #181 dragonath

...speaking of Uganda:

Uganda threatens to quit hunt for Joseph Kony

Yeah, that Joseph Kony, the guy responsible for wanton killing of animals, human rights abuses of the worst order, and about a million war crimes. And he's fighting a civil war against the government.

But Uganda is threatening to call off their search out of spite.

Uh.

Why doesn't someone tell Uganda Kony's gay?

187 KiTA  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:55:34pm

re: #120 KiTA

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Ok, am I allowed to be a little weirded out that the Israeli Embassy in Los Angeles followed me as a result of this particular tweet?


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