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Former FL GOP Leaders Say the Goal Was Voter Suppression

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Of course it was already blazingly obvious, but today the Palm Beach Post reports that former Florida Gov. Charlie Crist says new early voting regulations were specifically designed by the Republican Party to suppress Democratic votes.

A new Florida law that contributed to long voter lines and caused some to abandon voting altogether was intentionally designed by Florida GOP staff and consultants to inhibit Democratic voters, former GOP officials and current GOP consultants have told The Palm Beach Post.

Republican leaders said in proposing the law that it was meant to save money and fight voter fraud. But a former GOP chairman and former Gov. Charlie Crist, both of whom have been ousted from the party, now say that fraud concerns were advanced only as subterfuge for the law’s main purpose: GOP victory.

Crist said party leaders approached him during his 2007-2011 gubernatorial term about changing early voting, in an effort to suppress Democrat turnout. Crist is now at odds with the GOP, since abandoning the party to run for U.S. Senate as an independent in 2010. He is rumored to be planning another run for governor, as a Democrat.

Crist said in a telephone interview this month that he did not recall conversations about early voting specifically targeting black voters “but it looked to me like that was what was being suggested. And I didn’t want them to go there at all.”

About inhibiting minority voters, [Former Republican Party of Florida Chairman] Greer said:

“The sad thing about that is yes, there is prejudice and racism in the party but the real prevailing thought is that they don’t think minorities will ever vote Republican,” he said.

“It’s not really a broad-based racist issue. It’s simply that the Republican Party gave up a long time ago ever believing that anything they did would get minorities to vote for them.”

But a GOP consultant who asked to remain anonymous out of fear of retribution said black voters were a concern. “I know that the cutting out of the Sunday before Election Day was one of their targets only because that’s a big day when the black churches organize themselves,” he said.

GOP spokesman [Brian] Burgess discounted Crist’s statement to The Post.

“Charlie Crist speaks out of both sides of his mouth,” he said.

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93 comments

1 TedStriker  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 1:55:40pm

In other news, water is wet...

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2 Kragar  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 1:56:33pm

Wow, this comes as a total surprise.

3 dragonfire1981  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 1:57:40pm

“It’s not really a broad-based racist issue. It’s simply that the Republican Party gave up a long time ago ever believing that anything they did would get minorities to vote for them.”

Attention GOP, THIS is your problem. If you don't fix it, you'll never win the White House again.

4 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:01:12pm

If a certain voting block will never vote for you then I guess it is beholden of you to not let them vote at all. What patriots, what leaders, what American loyalists, what low life pieces of shit.

5 Coracle  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:02:32pm

Good time to admit it, though. In 2 years, 4 years, no one will pay attention to this "ancient history" and they'll be able to try the exact same thing again and say "no we're not doing this" while they're doing it.

6 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:06:54pm
It’s not really a broad-based racist issue. It’s simply that the Republican Party gave up a long time ago ever believing that anything they did would get minorities to vote for them

We're not really racist. Other minorities won't vote for us, so it's fair play to try and not get them to vote.

I don't know what's worse, racism or the morally putrid justification to deny others their votes.

7 gwangung  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:07:19pm
It’s simply that the Republican Party gave up a long time ago ever believing that anything they did would get minorities to vote for them.”

Giving up on a fast growing, young and increasingly affluent voting bloc? When it is growing to be larger than your own constituency?

Why would ANYONE ever vote for a party this downright STUPID????

8 Lidane  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:08:04pm

re: #3 dragonfire1981

Attention GOP, THIS is your problem. If you don't fix it, you'll never win the White House again.

But all we have to do is articulate more policies that will harm help minorities and tell them that the Democrats are the real racists! Onward to Victory!

/Jonah Goldberg

9 Lidane  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:09:03pm

re: #7 gwangung

Why would ANYONE ever vote for a party this downright STUPID????

Image: voting_republican.jpg

10 jaunte  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:11:20pm

re: #8 Lidane

"...all we have to do is articulate more policies that will help minorities..."

Name a few, Jonah.

11 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:15:04pm

re: #9 Lidane

That cartoon is offensive to fat people and bald people! (Like myself!)

12 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:16:21pm

This from the very state that has handled past elections so very badly that a breakthrough bi partisan law was passed. The Help Americans Vote Act.

How about this?-Next time only independents and Dems can vote.
*tons \*

13 erik_t  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:28:09pm

Oy.

Curt Brown of the Strib reports, “[Homeowner Byron Smith] heard glass breaking around noon Thursday while he was in the basement. It was the latest of several break-ins that he's experienced. [Nicholas] Brady started coming down the stairs, and Smith shot him with a rifle by the time he saw the intruder's hips. Brady fell down the stairs and was looking up at Smith when the homeowner shot him in the face. ‘I want him dead,' Smith explained to the investigator for the additional shot. … A few minutes later, Smith heard footsteps above him. As in Brady's case, [Haile] Kifer too started down the stairs and was shot by Smith by the time he saw her hips, sending her tumbling down the stairs. Smith attempted to shoot her again, but his rifle jammed, prompting Kifer to laugh. Upset, Smith, pulled out a revolver he had on him and shot her ‘more times than I needed to’ in the chest, he said.”

Clearly Minnesota needs a castle doctrine to give legal protection to this poor helpless homeowner.

14 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:37:38pm
15 nines09  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:40:45pm

re: #14 Gus

I can see the Tombstones now; "Thanks!" "Glad I died quick." " Rolling Back Safeguards Just For You."

16 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:47:51pm

re: #15 nines09

I can see the Tombstones now; "Thanks!" "Glad I died quick." " Rolling Back Safeguards Just For You."

Seems like a real bozo thing to say. That's like saying, "yeah those people that died at the Triangle Shirtwaist factory were thankful for their jobs too." And?

17 dragonath  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:48:51pm

Remember folks, the REAL racists are the people who don't vote Republican.

18 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:49:18pm

They died doing what they loved. Derp.

19 researchok  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:50:16pm

re: #14 Gus

Sometimes saying nothing is better.

I know what the guy meant but the point is people died in this fire.

This is not the venue to argue for free enterprise.

20 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:52:07pm

re: #19 researchok

Sometimes saying nothing is better.

I know what the guy meant but the point is people died in this fire.

This is not the venue to argue for free enterprise.

Fox News is a daily boatload of derp.

21 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:54:21pm

re: #14 Gus

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22 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:54:32pm

re: #13 erik_t

Murder charges: Rifle jammed, she laughed, so he killed her with a pistol

At court in support of the defendant was friend John Lange, who said Smith had been targeted at least six times for break-ins and doesn't deserve to be in jail for protecting his home. "They tortured him and targeted him, and it's not good," Lange said. "One time alone would be too much. It's terrible."

Having been the victim of a break in a few weeks ago I know how it feels. There's an assumption that if someone breaks in when they know you're home they are ready to do you harm, especially since the guy was trapped in the basement. The second person came down even after hearing the shots and taunted him when his gun jammed. Not a smart move. The homeowner wasn't within his legal rights but after my recent experience I can see how this sort of thing can happen. One of the reasons I'm not considering a gun after my break in is because of situations like this. A moment of passion/anger, a lapse in judgement and the homeowner is in deep shit. I could have easily shot my intruder, he was standing only feet away when I woke up. But without my glasses in the dark if I had shot him in the back I'd be in jail. I don't have a whole lot of emotional sympathy for the criminals but I'll take my chances being unarmed and hope for the best.

23 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:59:05pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Murder charges: Rifle jammed, she laughed, so he killed her with a pistol

Having been the victim of a break in a few weeks ago I know how it feels. There's an assumption that if someone breaks in when they know you're home they are ready to do you harm, especially since the guy was trapped in the basement. The second person came down even after hearing the shots and taunted him when his gun jammed. Not a smart move. The homeowner wasn't within his legal rights but after my recent experience I can see how this sort of thing can happen. One of the reasons I'm not considering a gun after my break in is because of situations like this. A moment of passion/anger, a lapse in judgement and the homeowner is in deep shit. I could have easily shot my intruder, he was standing only feet away when I woke up. But without my glasses in the dark if I had shot him in the back I'd be in jail. I don't have a whole lot of emotional sympathy for the criminals but I'll take my chances being unarmed and hope for the best.

Beyond defense in this case.

Smith shot him with a rifle by the time he saw the intruder's hips.

Brady fell down the stairs and was looking up at Smith when the homeowner shot him in the face.

"I want him dead," Smith explained to the investigator for the additional shot.

24 erik_t  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:59:27pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Murder charges: Rifle jammed, she laughed, so he killed her with a pistol
The second person came down even after hearing the shots and taunted him when his gun jammed.

The second person fell down the stairs after being shot.

A few minutes later, Smith heard footsteps above him. As in Brady's case, Kifer too started down the stairs and was shot by Smith by the time he saw her hips, sending her tumbling down the stairs.

How rude.

25 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 2:59:58pm

re: #23 Varek Raith

Beyond defense in this case.

This guy is a monster.

Smith dragged Kifer next to Brady as she gasped for her life. He pressed the revolver's barrel under her chin and pulled the trigger in what he described as a "good, clean finishing shot" that was meant to end her suffering.

26 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:02:23pm

re: #25 Varek Raith

This guy is a monster.

He also put the body in a tarp and didn't call police until the next day. It looks like he was thinking about disposing of the bodies and not involving the police at all. I bet he's regretting his decision.

27 Lidane  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:07:56pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

He also put the body in a tarp and didn't call police until the next day. It looks like he was thinking about disposing of the bodies and not involving the police at all. I bet he's regretting his decision.

Please. He probably considers himself a Real American and a gun-loving patriot who did the right thing.

28 nines09  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:08:43pm

re: #16 Gus

Seems like a real bozo thing to say. That's like saying, "yeah those people that died at the Triangle Shirtwaist factory were thankful for their jobs too." And?

It's an utterly insane thing to say. To equate anger at the system of abuse that led to all those deaths is somehow bad is fucking insane. It's saying utter poverty and a company that took total advantage of utter poverty to the point of setting them up for an ultimate disaster all for a few bucks more is simply fine. Agreeing with that premise, who needs to check water for purity or air for safety or products or foods? Fox News. Making you more stupid by the minute. Fucking imbeciles trolling imbeciles. Cretins.

29 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:14:16pm

Of course it was. Non-White Male people aren't people, doncha know!

Continuing in that meme -- I've just posted more about my favorite blood-pressure raising topic. It will never end. I'll go go my grave (or fire pit) with fist balled.

How has your day been?

31 aagcobb  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:18:00pm

re: #28 nines09

It's an utterly insane thing to say. To equate anger at the system of abuse that led to all those deaths is somehow bad is fucking insane. It's saying utter poverty and a company that took total advantage of utter poverty to the point of setting them up for an ultimate disaster all for a few bucks more is simply fine. Agreeing with that premise, who needs to check water for purity or air for safety or products or foods? Fox News. Making you more stupid by the minute. Fucking imbeciles trolling imbeciles. Cretins.

As Rand Paul said about coal mining accidents, why investigate to try to lay blame? Sometimes accidents just happen./

32 jaunte  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:18:01pm
GOP spokesman [Brian] Burgess discounted Crist’s statement to The Post.

“Charlie Crist speaks out of both sides of his mouth,” he said.

How long are they going to use the "everyone else is lying" defense?
/rhetorical

33 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:22:00pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Murder charges: Rifle jammed, she laughed, so he killed her with a pistol

Having been the victim of a break in a few weeks ago I know how it feels. There's an assumption that if someone breaks in when they know you're home they are ready to do you harm, especially since the guy was trapped in the basement. The second person came down even after hearing the shots and taunted him when his gun jammed. Not a smart move. The homeowner wasn't within his legal rights but after my recent experience I can see how this sort of thing can happen. One of the reasons I'm not considering a gun after my break in is because of situations like this. A moment of passion/anger, a lapse in judgement and the homeowner is in deep shit. I could have easily shot my intruder, he was standing only feet away when I woke up. But without my glasses in the dark if I had shot him in the back I'd be in jail. I don't have a whole lot of emotional sympathy for the criminals but I'll take my chances being unarmed and hope for the best.

I think everyone here knows I'm a firm believer in the 2nd amendment. I also have strong feelings about property rights as they relate to ones home and business. Yet, the idea is to be able to protect yourself, family and property from eminent danger. Once that danger is removed, you have no right to keep blasting.

It's not like the intruder had a grenade or something. Once he was stopped and contained, there is no reason to keep shooting.

This homeowner should be in prison. His actions endanger the 2nd
Amendment.

I also have to add a question. Did this guy have a dog?

34 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:23:02pm

re: #32 jaunte

How long are they going to use the "everyone else is lying" defense?
/rhetorical

WEll, some people say . . . .

*spit*

35 darthstar  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:25:44pm
36 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:29:03pm

re: #33 Holidays are Family Fun Time

None of the articles mention a dog.

37 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:29:48pm

re: #34 Holidays are Family Fun Time

WEll, some people say . . . .

*spit*

I've heard others say the same.
/Oblivion NPCs.
;)

38 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:30:30pm

re: #35 darthstar

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That's not the scary black dude you are looking for.

39 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:39:24pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

None of the articles mention a dog.

I don't know, if I did't have a dog and had been targeted for a break-in, I'd seriously thing about getting one. Not to be mean, just to be a deterrent.

I'd rather deter than shoot.

40 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:42:07pm

re: #35 darthstar

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There were 4 suspects:

“John Doe Duffle Bag,” a balding white man with a mustache who was wearing business clothes, captured on video at 6 p.m. walking north past 786 Flatbush, about a block north of the crime scene, and again at 6:03 p.m. half a block farther north.

“Jane Doe Long Coat,” a black woman with glasses and a neck scarf, captured on video just after 6 p.m. walking north past 786 Flatbush.

“John Doe Bubble Jacket,” a black man in a bubble jacket captured on video at 6:52 p.m. running south past 850 Flatbush, half a block south of the crime scene.

“Jane Doe Green Jacket,” a black woman with a head scarf captured on video at 6:52 p.m. running south past 850 Flatbush, seven seconds after John Doe Bubble Jacket runs by. She is also seen taking off her jacket, which was later found in a trash can.

Apparently they only released a sketch of the scary black man. This was reported at the New York Post as well and I found these comments:

Ray · Top Commenter
If o'bama had a son, he'd look just like that.

Jessica · Pension Administrator at Niles Lankford Group
I was just thinking that this sketch looks a lot like our President.

James · Top Commenter · New York, New York
I think these cops have been watching too much Sesame Street. Today's murder has been brought to you by the number 8, and by the letters D, U, M, B, N, Y, P and D. Idiots. If you want to link murders in this city, how about the fact that they're all carried out by Obama voters. How's that for a link.

41 nines09  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:42:43pm

re: #31 aagcobb

As Rand Paul said about coal mining accidents, why investigate to try to lay blame? Sometimes accidents just happen./

" Shit happens. Some would say it's Gods will. Some would call it fate. But never call it criminal. Bad for business."

42 Etaoin Shrdlu  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:44:56pm

The fact that the US does not have an arms-length Federal agency administering Federal elections, or at least uniform standards and procedures, is bizarre. Perhaps understandable given your early history and (selective) Constitutional fundamentalism, but still bizarre.

43 Kragar  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:51:02pm

Santorum: 'I'm Open' to 2016 Run

Thanks for the info, now kindly fuck off Rick.

44 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:51:15pm

re: #40 Gus

There were 4 suspects:

Apparently they only released a sketch of the scary black man. This was reported at the New York Post as well and I found these comments:

Stormfront reports:

• Jews and Middle Easterners being targeted in NY by fellow non-whites.

• No national media coverage, no SPLC! I guess because they can't blame whitey it will remain just a local news story.

• Non-whites against non-whites? Nope,that isn't what the media want us to think happens in our glorious multicultural society.

I love it when the master race speaks out. //

45 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:51:57pm

re: #43 Kragar

Santorum: 'I'm Open' to 2016 Run

Thanks for the info, now kindly fuck off Rick.

He's foaming up to run.

46 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:52:20pm

re: #38 Varek Raith

That's not the scary black dude you are looking for.

Of course it isn't. It's Ray Comfort.

47 Lidane  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:52:34pm

re: #43 Kragar

Santorum: 'I'm Open' to 2016 Run

Of course he is. By the GOP rules of succession, he's the next nominee since he was the runner-up this time around.

The 2016 GOP primaries promise to be a hilarious, frightening spectacle of fail and derp.

48 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:53:08pm

PRINTED OUT MY BOARDING PASS!

49 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:53:33pm

re: #46 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Of course it isn't. It's Ray Comfort.

Banana man.

50 Kragar  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:54:30pm

re: #49 b_sharp

Banana man.

There is only the crocoduck now.

51 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:55:14pm

And finally the man who confessed to the murders:

Image: Salvatore_Perrone.jpg

52 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:55:44pm

re: #50 Kragar

There is only the crocoduck now.

Crocoduck boy is due to be raptured. Soon I hope.

53 nines09  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:58:11pm

re: #43 Kragar

Santorum: 'I'm Open' to 2016 Run

Thanks for the info, now kindly fuck off Rick.

Because we didn't meet the real Rick "It was different, we have other children, it was special" Santorum last time?

54 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:59:38pm

linky won't work.

ignore post.

Trying again.

Nope, the embed for facebook worked. I don't get it.

55 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:00:15pm

re: #42 Etaoin Shrdlu

The fact that the US does not have an arms-length Federal agency administering Federal elections, or at least uniform standards and procedures, is bizarre. Perhaps understandable given your early history and (selective) Constitutional fundamentalism, but still bizarre.

And because of this, we have the voting rights act, which is going to be reviewed by the Supreme Court soon, because some people think it is no longer needed. I hope they take this stuff from Florida into consideration.

56 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:00:29pm

re: #54 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Also posted as a Page,

Please, PLEASE, click and complete.

Link doesn't work.

57 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:03:03pm

re: #56 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Link doesn't work.

see the post now . . .

58 Kragar  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:04:15pm

Game Endorsement:

If you're a Civ fan or enjoy turn based strategy/design games, Galactic Civilizations II is on sale at Steam for $13 bucks. Metascore 92/100 and is addictively fun.

59 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:05:42pm

re: #45 Henchman Ghazi-808

He's foaming up to run.

I never want to hear his name again.

60 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:10:37pm

re: #59 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I never want to hear his name again.

Santorum/Huckabee 2016. Count on it.

61 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:11:07pm

I saw this and LOLed.

Leading Islamophobe Allen West Likely Defeated Due To High Muslim American Turnout

But in an America that grows increasingly progressive and tolerant, bigotry can be a major electoral liability. Murphy’s margin of victory is roughly 1,900 votes. I talked to Imran Siddiqui, who is a Board Member for the organization Empowering Motivating Educating Resourceful Grassroots Entities, which registers Muslim voters in the area. He mentioned that his organization had 2,500 Muslim voters in their database in the district and that they witnessed 80 percent turnout. That means roughly 2,000 Muslim-American votes — a little bit higher than Murphy’s margin of victory.

Allah works in mysterious ways. :D

62 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:15:01pm

In case you haven't heard. I'll use Jeffrey to report:


63 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:17:41pm

Can anyone refer me to a political quiz that is reasonably reliable, and shows where I sit on the Political Spectrum?

64 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:18:55pm

Moshe Feiglin - Controversy and criticism

Bullet list:

• Comments on Arabs
• Controversy over Hitler comments
• Banned from Britain
• Resistance to Oslo Accords
• Reaction from Likud members
• Support for Jonathan Pollard

65 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:21:09pm

re: #63 ProGunLiberal

Can anyone refer me to a political quiz that is reasonably reliable, and shows where I sit on the Political Spectrum?

Where do you think you sit? Are you more authoritarian or libertarian? More conservative or progressive?

[Link: www.politicalcompass.org...]

66 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:23:48pm

In list of how much each offend me:

1:Support for Jonathan Pollard
2:Comments on Arabs
3:Resistance to Oslo Accords
4:Controversy over Hitler comments
5:Banned from Britain

Reaction to other Likud members doesn't have any effect. The other 5 are very, very close in offensiveness.

67 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:25:32pm

re: #65 b_sharp

Where was I, you ask?

Economic: -7.25
Social: -2.92

Generally though, I support a social market economy. My position is relatively unchanged from when I was 16. I decided on Social Democracy then.

68 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:26:16pm

re: #66 ProGunLiberal

In list of how much each offend me:

1:Support for Jonathan Pollard
2:Comments on Arabs
3:Resistance to Oslo Accords
4:Controversy over Hitler comments
5:Banned from Britain

Reaction to other Likud members doesn't have any effect. The other 5 are very, very close in offensiveness.

If you're curious he was interviewed by Pamela Geller: Atlas Radio: MOSHE FEIGLIN

What could go wrong?

69 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:29:56pm

re: #68 Gus

Sorry, I don't listen to interviews from or at literal fascists.

Not to mention the Interviewer has probably consumed so much Rum/Gin/every alcohol ever that 90% of her brain cells, and 80% of her liver are non-functional.

70 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:30:34pm

re: #66 ProGunLiberal

In list of how much each offend me:

1:Support for Jonathan Pollard
2:Comments on Arabs
3:Resistance to Oslo Accords
4:Controversy over Hitler comments
5:Banned from Britain

Reaction to other Likud members doesn't have any effect. The other 5 are very, very close in offensiveness.

Here's #4:

Controversy over Hitler comments

In an article in Ha'aretz, Yossi Sarid quoted Feiglin as saying, "Hitler was an unparalleled military genius. Nazism promoted Germany from a low to a fantastic physical and ideological status. The ragged, trashy youth body turned into a neat and orderly part of society and Germany received an exemplary regime, a proper justice system and public order. Hitler savored good music. He would paint. This was no bunch of thugs. They merely used thugs and homosexuals." Feiglin clarified his position to the Maariv newspaper that just because he considers Hitler a military genius this does not mean he admires him. In an interview on Israeli television Feiglin accused Sarid and other left-wing journalists of a smear campaign against him by quoting him out of context. He explained his point as saying that just because Germany was a democracy does not give legitimacy to what Hitler had done.

71 dragonath  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:32:04pm

re: #64 Gus

I wonder where that dude who called Somalians a "cancer" ended up.

72 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:32:19pm

re: #70 Gus

Now tied to number one with Jonathan Pollard.

For a number of reasons.

73 stabby  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:32:59pm

In 2000 we learned that in Florida's wealthy Republican districts they had brand new computerized optical scanners that don't miss any votes and in urban Democratic districts they have worn out mechanical card punch systems that lose a significant percent of the vote.

Any competent statistical analysis of 2000 shows that if there was a level playing field for vote counting in Florida then Gore would have won.

Here in California we have those optical scanners and we put polls everywhere, even in people's garages. As a result I've never had to stand in line.

I'm willing to bet that just as they have one vote-counting system for the wealthy and an inferior system for the poor in Florida, I'm willing to bet that they have more polling places per capita in wealthy areas too ie, only urban democrats have to stand in line. I bet suburban Republicans can vote in 5 minutes.

We're the only non-totalitarian country that puts voting in the hands of partisan politicians. We have a corruptable system, and, at the moment, we have one corrupt very party. I'm perfectly willing to admit that in the past the other party was corrupt, and racist and so on. Fine, just change the damn system so that it doesn't reward corruption.

It's time to change the system to a national one.

74 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:34:04pm

re: #71 dragonath

I wonder where that dude who called Somalians a "cancer" ended up.

Don't know. Got a name?

75 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:36:19pm

re: #72 ProGunLiberal

Now tied to number one with Jonathan Pollard.

For a number of reasons.

He seems to share some views with Scott Lively for one. I.e. the homosexual bit.

76 stabby  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:37:08pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

Uhm no. The Supreme court doesn't take it because some people think it's no longer needed. The Supreme court takes it because the court has tea party bullshit spouting members who want to throw elections to the Republican party like they did in 2000. And if they have to throw away the black vote, well they've already destroyed the reputation of the court so what's one more?

77 dragonath  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:38:53pm

re: #74 Gus

Miri Regev

78 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:39:43pm

D'oh! He follows Pamela Geller.

79 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:40:16pm

re: #77 dragonath

Miri Regev

80 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:40:32pm

TLikud

81 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:40:46pm

Or should that be TPLikud?

82 dragonath  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:41:45pm

re: #79 Gus

Hovotely is a character. Check out her wiki page.

83 dragonath  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:41:57pm

Glenn Beck fan.

84 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:42:44pm

re: #83 dragonath

Who says all Muslims are evil.

85 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:43:18pm

re: #81 Gus

Yesh Atid (There is a Future)

86 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:43:59pm

re: #60 William Barnett-Lewis

Santorum/Huckabee 2016. Count on it.

Helliconia is awesome! I love the long-term perspective on civilization.

87 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:44:59pm
88 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:45:36pm

re: #87 Gus

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Moshe should, first, define family.

89 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:46:12pm

re: #87 Gus

Israel is going to go violently to the right. Instead of following the US and parts of Europe, they will follow Russia's slide to the right.

90 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:49:44pm

re: #89 ProGunLiberal

Israel is going to go violently to the right. Instead of following the US and parts of Europe, they will follow Russia's slide to the right.

I don't know about violently but it sure has taken a rather steep right turn here. Moshe make Bibi look like a far-left Democrat. I never read anything like this about Bibi.

91 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:50:30pm

bbl

92 Gus  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:53:10pm

From March.

Feiglin backtracks from meeting with gay group

Likud activist Moshe Feiglin is no longer willing to meet with a new homosexual group in the Likud after he received complaints from some of his key supporters in the United States.

The Jerusalem Post reported exclusively on Sunday that Feiglin had told the group’s leader, Dr. Evan Cohen, that he would be happy to meet with them.

But Feiglin said his willingness to meet with the group gave it legitimacy that he did not want to give it...

Feiglin, who wrote an article in the past called “I am a proud homophobe,” said he would still be willing to meet with members of the group individually...

Bozo the clown chimes in:

The Post article about Feiglin was picked up by many blogs. On the Kahanist Jewish Task Force website, “Senior JTFer” called Feiglin’s willingness to meet with the gay group “a new low.”

“Rabbi Meir Kahane in contrast to Moshe Feiglin, would never consider giving any type of public legitimacy to the Homos,” he wrote...

93 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:59:58pm

In case no one mentioned, Rick Santorum has told the Weekly Standard he's available for 2016.


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