Graham and McCain Continue Freaking Out Over the Benghazi Fake Scandal

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If you thought the Republican Party might have finally been so embarrassed by their attempts to inflate the Benghazi attack into a huge scandal that they were starting to back away from this ridiculous mess, think again. Right wingers are apparently not finished embarrassing themselves yet: John McCain ‘Troubled’ by Susan Rice’s Benghazi Explanation at Meeting.

Sen. John McCain and two other GOP senators said they were “significantly troubled” after a private meeting with U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice about her erroneous explanation of the deadly attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

And the senators left open the possibility they could try to block Rice’s promotion if President Barack Obama nominates her as secretary of State. Acting CIA Director Michael Morell also joined Rice at the meeting.

“The concerns I have are greater today than they were before, and we’re not even close to getting the basic answers,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), joined by McCain and Sen. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), told reporters after the closed-door meeting. “I would place a hold on anybody who wanted to be promoted for any job who had a role in the Benghazi situation.”

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1 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:14:50am

Let's be honest here. Graham's show is because he's afraid of being primaried. This is really getting annoying and pathetic.

2 Kragar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:15:13am

The official GOP response to Benghazi

Youtube Video
3 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:17:15am

Hmm. And further reinforcement that the Obama Administration shouldn't bother with private meetings or negotiations with the GOP in Congress. No answer will be deemed sufficient to even slow the public attacks. And the Party of "NO" has gone into full Terminator-mode. It will not negotiate, it will not compromise, and it will not stop.

:p

4 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:21:49am

New GOP Attack On Susan Rice: She Should Have Manipulated The Intelligence Or Stayed Silent On Benghazi

AYOTTE: What troubles me also, the changes made to the unclassified talking points were misleading. But just to be clear, when you have a position where you’re Ambassador to the United Nations, you go well beyond unclassified talking points in your daily preparation and responsibilities for that job. And that’s troubling to me as well, why she wouldn’t have asked “I’m the person that doesn’t know about this, I’m going on every single show?” But in addition, it’s not just the talking points that were unclassified, but clearly it was part of her responsibility as Ambassador to the United Nations to review much more than that.

Ayotte’s determination echoes a growing belief among the right-wing that Rice should have “known better” than to take the talking points provided by the intelligence community at face value or that she should have divulged material that was classified at the time to the American people.

But this brand-new determination that Rice should have strayed from the talking points given to her on Sept. 16 has already spread among the GOP. Senate Minority Whip John Kyl (R-AZ) called Rice a “puppet” of the administration in an interview with National Review Online:

“Is she such a puppet that she had no questions about the information she was given?” Kyl asks, in an interview at Newseum, where he is participating in the Foreign Policy Initiative’s annual forum. “What she said was deceptive, misleading, and wrong.”

However, during the five interviews she gave on Sept. 16, Rice consistently made clear that what was being presented were only initial conclusions and could still change. While the facts continue to exonerate Rice and the Obama administration on this issue, in the face of continual shouting by conservatives that a conspiracy of some sort took place surrounding Benghazi, the majority of Americans believe that’s not the case.

5 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:22:11am

“I would place a hold on anybody who wanted to be promoted for any job who had a role in the Benghazi 9/11 situation.”
-- Me

6 Kragar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:23:43am

Grayson: Walmart is ‘the largest recipient of public aid in the country’

“In state after state after state, Walmart employees represent the largest group of Medicaid recipients, the largest group of food stamp recipients, and taxpayers shouldn’t have to bear that burden,” Grayson said. “It should be Walmart. So, we’re going to take that burden and put it where it belongs: on Walmart.”

7 darthstar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:24:24am
8 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:24:41am

re: #6 Kragar

Grayson: Walmart is ‘the largest recipient of public aid in the country’

Won't somebody please think of the poor, deprived Walton heirs and their trust funds?/

9 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:25:54am

re: #7 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Benghazi is John McCain's old man motion lotion.

10 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:26:09am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Let's be honest here. Graham's show is because he's afraid of being primaried. This is really getting annoying and pathetic.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Past 4 years was about trying to keep PBO from being re-elected. Next 4 years will be about them trying not to get primaried by an unelectable bag of crazy shit.

11 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:26:51am

I liked it when Rice went to the Senate hearing and then McCain bitched to the press that he wasn't getting information. Fucking political theater at its most pathetic and its star is John McCain.

12 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:27:14am

re: #10 Ghost of Tom Joad

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Past 4 years was about trying to keep PBO from being re-elected. Next 4 years will be about them trying not to get primaried by an unelectable bag of crazy shit.

Two years. He's up in 2014. But yes.

13 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:28:23am

re: #10 Ghost of Tom Joad

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Past 4 years was about trying to keep PBO from being re-elected. Next 4 years will be about them trying not to get primaried by an unelectable bag of crazy shit.

And desperately trying to inflate every trivial fake scandal into an impeachable offense.

This is the Republican Party's wet dream.

14 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:31:14am

The world is in a battle against the far-right factions whether in Hungary, the USA, Egypt, Pakistan...

15 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:32:12am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Two years. He's up in 2014. But yes.

Yup.

Senators up for reelection in 2014:

REPUBLICANS
Lamar Alexander (Tennessee)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Thad Cochran (Mississippi)
Susan Collins (Maine)
John Cornyn (Texas)
Michael Enzi (Wyoming)
Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)
James Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Mike Johanns (Nebraska)
Mitch McConnell (Kentucky)
James Risch (Idaho)
Pat Roberts (Kansas)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)

16 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:32:46am

It will be a miracle if we get through the next four years without the appalling spectacle of a bunch of old white men impeaching America's first black president.

17 DREd  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:33:07am

Benghazi!

18 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:33:46am

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Wow, that many?

Gonna be a loooong 2 years.

19 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:34:17am

re: #17 DREd

Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!

FTFY

20 jaunte  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:34:54am
“The concerns I have are greater today than they were before, and we’re not even close to getting the basic answers”

This is such a load of bullshit. No answers will ever be satisfactory, because it's all for show.

21 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:37:09am

I guess Cyber Monday was a great success. Next year we'll have Identify Theft Tuesday.

22 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:39:09am

re: #20 jaunte

This is such a load of bullshit. No answers will ever be satisfactory, because it's all for show.

Do we even know the questions? Does McWalnuts?

Obama should try to promote Rice, and watch the grumpy old white farts continue to murder their chances at winning over female voters.

23 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:39:21am

After Lugar got primaried. I wouldn't be shocked to see at least two plus incumbent GOP senators get successfully primaried for being "not conservative enough." Reading that the establishment and Rove's PAC will work like hell to prevent that as to avoid repeats of 2010 and this past election cycle where they lost a viable seat due to purism but the problem the GOP has is their base keeps on growing more and more conservative. So in a way, DeMint is finally getting his purer than thou fantasy but it's going to be at a big cost. I don't give a shit though because I have no respect for DeMint or his pathetic excuse for an ideology. Senate's better with more Democrats in it.

24 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:42:04am

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Yup.

Senators up for reelection in 2014:

REPUBLICANS
Lamar Alexander (Tennessee)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Thad Cochran (Mississippi)
Susan Collins (Maine)
John Cornyn (Texas)
Michael Enzi (Wyoming)
Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)
James Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Mike Johanns (Nebraska)
Mitch McConnell (Kentucky)
James Risch (Idaho)
Pat Roberts (Kansas)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)

Yuck. Those all look like shoe ins save for possibly Graham if he's primaried by a Tea Nut. I suppose the others could be too but those are all solid red states except for Maine.

25 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:42:21am

re: #20 jaunte

This is such a load of bullshit. No answers will ever be satisfactory, because it's all for show.

Pretty much. They're trying to make up for losing the election by making things as miserable for Obama as possible. In this case, they're creating a bullshit excuses for why they're going to do everything in their power to prevent Rice from being confirmed.

26 Kragar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:43:27am

Joyner Warns Gay Rights Movement may ultimately 'Forbid Marriage between a Male and a Female'

Rick Joyner sat down with Michael Brown to discuss his book A Queer Thing Happened to America and told him that in Switzerland married men and women can’t refer to their spouses as husband or wife due to hate speech laws, warning that America is next. After describing the perils of the gay rights movement, Joyner said that there are “some” who seek to even “forbid marriage between a male and a female.”

Name one.

27 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:44:52am

Socialist!

28 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:45:55am

re: #4 The Questionable Timing of a Flea

New GOP Attack On Susan Rice: She Should Have Manipulated The Intelligence Or Stayed Silent On Benghazi

Fark headline?

Old and Busted: "Rice shouldn't be Secretary of State because she changed the intel information." New Hotness: "Rice shouldn't be Secretary of State because she didn't change the intel information"

29 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:46:50am

re: #24 Gus

Yuck. Those all look like shoe ins save for possibly Graham if he's primaried by a Tea Nut. I suppose the others could be too but those are all solid red states except for Maine.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Wikipedia shows the margins they won by in '08.

30 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:47:38am

re: #24 Gus

Yuck. Those all look like shoe ins save for possibly Graham if he's primaried by a Tea Nut. I suppose the others could be too but those are all solid red states except for Maine.

I would say that McConnell and Chambliss are in some danger of a Tea Party primary challenge as well.

31 Kragar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:50:25am

re: #30 bratwurst

Fischer: The Way to Win Over Independents is for the GOP to Become More Conservative

Yesterday, Bryan Fischer was a guest on Steve Deace's radio program where the two commiserated over the state of the Republican Party and discussed just what options social conservatives will have if the GOP attempts to jettison their culture war issues in an effort to win over moderate and independent voters.

In Fischer's assessment, such a move would be tantamount to political suicide for the GOP because, contrary to popular opinion, those who classify themselves as "independents" are not moderates, but rather hard-line conservatives who refuse to consider themselves Republicans because the party is not conservative enough ... and so the only way to win over "independents," especially white voters who are "naturally" a part of the Republican base, is for the GOP to become more conservative on all the issues:

Fischer and his ilk will inspire primary runs against all moderate GOP candidates.

32 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:50:41am

re: #30 bratwurst

I would say that McConnell and Chambliss are in some danger of a Tea Party primary challenge as well.

Would have to be Rand Paul clone for McConnell.

33 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:50:42am

re: #26 Kragar

Joyner Warns Gay Rights Movement may ultimately 'Forbid Marriage between a Male and a Female'

Name one.

Seems like these people just have to step on somebody just so they can feel superior to them. Must be tough living in their reality.

34 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:51:11am

The conspiracy branch of the wingnuts are coming to the rescue, soon this Benghazi story will be taken about as seriously as the truthers or the birthers are. Why? Because the wingnuts have come up with their own version of what happened in Benghazi. It goes like this...

Instead of arming the Libyan rebels to fight against Gaddafi what we were really doing was secretly running guns and munitions directly to Al-Qaeda. This is because the President is a super secret Muslim who really, really, likes Muslim extremists killing our people and wants them to be able to do even more of it!

There are two different theories about the consulate attack though:

1. Chris Stevens and Sean Smith were in on the arms shipments to Al-Qaeda but the supply shipments were stopped once they could no longer be covered up by the Libyan civil war. Stevens and Smith then became unnecessary and the President ordered his terrorist buddies to kill them to safeguard the secret.

2. Chris Stevens and Sean Smith had nothing to do with the arms shipments to Al-Qaeda but one of them somehow found out about them and then told the other. The Presidents secret, terrorist supporting, faction within the CIA found out that they knew and alerted the President. The President then had his terrorist buddies kill them both to keep them from blowing the whistle and exposing him as a super secret Muslim and terrorist supporter.

Seriously, check out this google search for "Benghazi gun running."

They have taken Fast & Furious and combined it with Benghazi and gotten an even bigger pile of steaming Derp from the union. These people will literally believe anything if it conforms to their biases, at this point they have almost completely lost sight of reality in their rearviews. :(

35 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:51:34am

re: #26 Kragar

Joyner Warns Gay Rights Movement may ultimately 'Forbid Marriage between a Male and a Female'

Name one.

Everything is like a novel for these whack jobs.

36 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:51:35am

What gets me is that, prior to last month, I'd been under the impression that John Kerry was the front-runner for the SecState job. When did Rice become the name on everybody's lips?

37 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:51:50am

re: #3 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. And further reinforcement that the Obama Administration shouldn't bother with private meetings or negotiations with the GOP in Congress. No answer will be deemed sufficient to even slow the public attacks. And the Party of "NO" has gone into full Terminator-mode. It will not negotiate, it will not compromise, and it will not stop.

:p

GOP: We'll Continue Digging Until We Hit Rock Bottom.

38 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:53:29am

re: #37 Bulworth

GOP: We'll Continue Digging Until We Hit Rock Bottom.

Oh, they've already hit rock bottom. Now they're busting out the dynamite.

39 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:54:37am

re: #34 watching you tiny alien kittens are

You left out the part about Susan Rice being OBL's sister-in-law.

40 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:55:01am

re: #4 The Questionable Timing of a Flea

I have no idea what Ms. Ayotte is talking about here.

41 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:55:46am

re: #34 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Seriously, check out this google search for "Benghazi gun running."

They have taken Fast & Furious and combined it with Benghazi and gotten an even bigger pile of steaming Derp from the union. These people will literally believe anything if it conforms to their biases, at this point they have almost completely lost sight of reality in their rearviews. :(

...

BENGHAZI AND FURIOUS!!!!1!

42 sagehen  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:57:03am

re: #5 Gus

“I would place a hold on anybody who wanted to be promoted for any job who had a role in the Benghazi 9/11 situation.”
-- Me

shorter McCain

43 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:57:12am

re: #37 Bulworth

GOP: We'll Continue Digging Until We Hit Rock Bottom.

pfft! Rock bottom has a liberal bias.

44 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:57:50am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

It will be a miracle if we get through the next four years without the appalling spectacle of a bunch of old white men impeaching America's first black president.

If the Republicans retake the Senate in 2014 it is definitely a possibility, if not then not so much.

Sadly with twenty Dem seats up for grabs in a midterm election where democrat turnout is traditionally low the odds are not exactly in our favor. I really hope the DNC is serious this time about spending whatever it takes to defend our seats and GOTV. The last thing we need right now is another 2010 style GOP surge.

45 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:58:07am

Benghazi, Fast & Furious, & Solyndra. The three faux-horsemen of the sekrit muslim, kenyan, manchurian candidate apocalypse.

I am so tired of hearing about it.

46 Mattand  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:58:22am

re: #26 Kragar

Joyner Warns Gay Rights Movement may ultimately 'Forbid Marriage between a Male and a Female'

Rick Joyner sat down with Michael Brown to discuss his book A Queer Thing Happened to America and told him that in Switzerland married men and women can’t refer to their spouses as husband or wife due to hate speech laws, warning that America is next. After describing the perils of the gay rights movement, Joyner said that there are “some” who seek to even “forbid marriage between a male and a female.”

Name one.

I call bullshit on the "heteroes are forbidden to say 'husband' and 'wife' " line. That sounds like Santorum's "Elderly in the Netherlands are euthanized by law" lie.

47 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 11:59:08am

re: #35 Gus

Everything is like a novel for these whack jobs.

No kidding, I think I read something like that in a Sci-Fi short story.

48 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:00:46pm

re: #47 Holidays are Family Fun Time

No kidding, I think I read something like that in a Sci-Fi short story.

I wonder if they're always playing spooky music in their heads.

49 Kragar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:01:03pm

re: #46 Mattand


Such a claim isn't worth my time to look up to refute. Its nonsense.

50 sagehen  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:01:06pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Yup.

Senators up for reelection in 2014:

REPUBLICANS
Lamar Alexander (Tennessee)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Thad Cochran (Mississippi)
Susan Collins (Maine)
John Cornyn (Texas)
Michael Enzi (Wyoming)
Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)
James Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Mike Johanns (Nebraska)
Mitch McConnell (Kentucky)
James Risch (Idaho)
Pat Roberts (Kansas)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)

none of those R's look like good prospects for D pickups; and several of the D's look vulnerable.

51 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:01:29pm

re: #46 Mattand

Name one.

I call bullshit on the "heteroes are forbidden to say 'husband' and 'wife' " line. That sounds like Santorum's "Elderly in the Netherlands are euthanized by law" lie.

Add to that Planned Parenthoods fake desire to euthanize minority fetuses and Sharia Law usurping the Constitution.

Paranoia thy initials are G.O.P.

52 Mattand  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:02:06pm

re: #34 watching you tiny alien kittens are

The conspiracy branch of the wingnuts are coming to the rescue, soon this Benghazi story will be taken about as seriously as the truthers or the birthers are. Why? Because the wingnuts have come up with their own version of what happened in Benghazi. It goes like this...

Instead of arming the Libyan rebels to fight against Gaddafi what we were really doing was secretly running guns and munitions directly to Al-Qaeda. This is because the President is a super secret Muslim who really, really, likes Muslim extremists killing our people and wants them to be able to do even more of it!

There are two different theories about the consulate attack though:

1. Chris Stevens and Sean Smith were in on the arms shipments to Al-Qaeda but the supply shipments were stopped once they could no longer be covered up by the Libyan civil war. Stevens and Smith then became unnecessary and the President ordered his terrorist buddies to kill them to safeguard the secret.

2. Chris Stevens and Sean Smith had nothing to do with the arms shipments to Al-Qaeda but one of them somehow found out about them and then told the other. The Presidents secret, terrorist supporting, faction within the CIA found out that they knew and alerted the President. The President then had his terrorist buddies kill them both to keep them from blowing the whistle and exposing him as a super secret Muslim and terrorist supporter.

Seriously, check out this google search for "Benghazi gun running."

They have taken Fast & Furious and combined it with Benghazi and gotten an even bigger pile of steaming Derp from the union. These people will literally believe anything if it conforms to their biases, at this point they have almost completely lost sight of reality in their rearviews. :(

What's absolutely amazing is there is no daylight between the mindset of a 9/11 truther and a Benghazi truther at this point. None. It's the same fucking mindset: impervious to facts and reality and an unhealthly level of paranoia.

53 Mattand  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:02:44pm

re: #49 Kragar

Such a claim isn't worth my time to look up to refute. Its nonsense.

Word.

54 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:05:34pm

re: #50 sagehen

none of those R's look like good prospects for D pickups; and several of the D's look vulnerable.

Meanwhile there are possible vulnerabilities on the other side of the aisle:

DEMOCRATS
Max Baucus (Montana)
Mark Begich (Alaska)
Chris Coons (Delaware)
Richard Durbin (Illinois)
Al Franken (Minnesota)
Kay Hagan (North Carolina)
Tom Harkin (Iowa)
Tim Johnson (South Dakota)
John Kerry (Massachusetts)
Mary Landrieu (Louisiana)
Frank Lautenberg (New Jersey)
Carl Levin (Michigan)
Jeff Merkley (Oregon)
Mark Pryor (Arkansas)
Jack Reed (Rhode Island)
John Rockefeller (West Virginia)
Jeanne Shaheen (New Hampshire)
Mark Udall (Colorado)
Tom Udall (New Mexico)
Mark Warner (Virginia)

55 sagehen  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:07:05pm

re: #54 kirkspencer

Meanwhile there are possible vulnerabilities on the other side of the aisle:

Let's hope OFA learned their lesson from 2010, that they stay organized and DO THEIR DAMN JOBS!! for the off-year election.

56 Kragar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:09:28pm

New GOP Attack On Susan Rice: She Should Have Manipulated The Intelligence Or Stayed Silent On Benghazi

So Susan Rice should have said they found yellow cake in Libya?

57 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:09:55pm

And to think, Beavis and Butt-Head McCain and Graham are supposed to be the reasonable ones in the GOP.

58 Mattand  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:10:00pm

re: #54 kirkspencer

Meanwhile there are possible vulnerabilities on the other side of the aisle:

All of this hinges on the economy. If it does get better, they should be okay. If it doesn't, well...

59 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:13:26pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Yup.

Senators up for reelection in 2014:

REPUBLICANS
Lamar Alexander (Tennessee)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Thad Cochran (Mississippi)
Susan Collins (Maine)
John Cornyn (Texas)
Michael Enzi (Wyoming)
Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)
James Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Mike Johanns (Nebraska)
Mitch McConnell (Kentucky)
James Risch (Idaho)
Pat Roberts (Kansas)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)

Oh I smell some huge derp coming!

60 Kragar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:13:42pm

"Ex-Gay" therapy group sued for consumer fraud

The Southern Poverty Law Center has filed a first-of-its-kind lawsuit against ex-gay group JONAH (Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing), accusing it of consumer fraud for peddling a “cure” for homosexuality. The complaint features four young men and two of their parents as plaintiffs, including Chaim Levin, who has been very vocal about how the Orthodox Jewish community has mistreated him for being gay. The men and their families argue that JONAH lured them into paying for counseling with deceptive practices. JONAH relies on ex-gay professional group NARTH, specifically the repudiated techniques of Joseph Nicolosi.

61 darthstar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:13:54pm

Image: 32307_490496977639111_1721137096_n.jpg

62 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:14:30pm

re: #60 Kragar

"Ex-Gay" therapy group sued for consumer fraud

I saw that.

63 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:15:01pm

re: #60 Kragar

"Ex-Gay" therapy group sued for consumer fraud

As advertised on Arutz Sheva!

64 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:15:36pm

re: #60 Kragar

"Ex-Gay" therapy group sued for consumer fraud

Medical fraud and scientific fraud.

65 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:16:38pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Let's be honest here. Graham's show is because he's afraid of being primaried. This is really getting annoying and pathetic.

Lindsey Graham just openly stated his willingness to vote for a revenue increase and thus repudiated Grover Norquist's pledge. If he's going to do that, he needs to use something else to maintain his bonafides with his party base. Benghazi is his angle.

66 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:17:06pm

OT: Is anyone else getting snow? It's been snowing since morning here.

67 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:18:13pm

re: #26 Kragar

Joyner Warns Gay Rights Movement may ultimately 'Forbid Marriage between a Male and a Female'

Name one.

Insanity.

68 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:18:27pm

Look at these nuts.

Image: RICE1-articleLarge.jpg

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:18:40pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

OT: Is anyone else getting snow? It's been snowing since morning here.

Some flurries here in the center of Philly. Just making the roads wet and not sticking at all. Driver paranoia and Eagle fan depression levels are high though.

70 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:18:45pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Lindsey Graham just openly stated his willingness to vote for a revenue increase and thus repudiated Grover Norquist's pledge. If he's going to do that, he needs to use something else to maintain his bonafides with his party base. Benghazi is his angle.

I'll believe it when I see it. Right now, "revenue increase" when said by the GOP doesn't seem to mean tax rate increases.

71 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:19:03pm

re: #68 Gus

Look at these nuts.

Image: RICE1-articleLarge.jpg

"GET OFF MY LAWN!"

72 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:19:11pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

OT: Is anyone else getting snow? It's been snowing since morning here.

Not here. It's cold in Chicagoland, but its a bright sunny day. But I was out in the cold walking for over two miles, so I'm somewhat weary.

73 Kragar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:19:15pm

re: #68 Gus

Look at these nuts.

Image: RICE1-articleLarge.jpg

There is no way I'm clicking that.

74 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:19:30pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

What gets me is that, prior to last month, I'd been under the impression that John Kerry was the front-runner for the SecState job. When did Rice become the name on everybody's lips?

Since the Republicans made her an issue, now if Kerry is nominated the Republicans can crow about how they forced Obama to back down from nominating Rice, winning!

///

75 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:20:12pm

re: #26 Kragar

I guess this was necessary after they realized that most people in heterosexual relationships don't give a rat's behind about gays getting married because it has absolutely no effect whatsoever on heterosexual relationships.

76 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:20:52pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

It's been a mix of rain and wet snow in NYC all day, but nothing that's accumulating, at least not yet.

77 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:20:58pm

re: #74 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Since the Republicans made her an issue, now if Kerry is nominated the Republicans can crow about how they forced Obama to back down from nominating Rice, winning!

///

You joke, but I wouldn't put it past them. "Obama backed down! Scoreboard!"

78 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:21:27pm

re: #69 Feline Fearless Leader

Some flurries here in the center of Philly. Just making the roads wet and not sticking at all.

North Jersey here, close to Newark. I guess it's mostly inland then. My boss is out on Long Island today and says it isn't snowing there. Not snowing in NYC either (or at least it wasn't this morning).

Driver paranoia and Eagle fan depression levels are high though.

LOL

79 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:21:55pm

re: #73 Kragar

There is no way I'm clicking that.

It's Safe for Work.

80 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:21:57pm

re: #68 Gus

Look at these nuts.

Image: RICE1-articleLarge.jpg

McCain always looks so pissed off.

81 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:23:08pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

McCain always looks so pissed off.

He needs a cane to shake at people.

82 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:24:16pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Not here. It's cold in Chicagoland, but its a bright sunny day. But I was out in the cold walking for over two miles, so I'm somewhat weary.

Good for you! I need to get out and walk more.

re: #76 Ian G.

It's been a mix of rain and wet snow in NYC all day, but nothing that's accumulating, at least not yet.

Yeah, it's kinda wet here too. A little accumulation, but not much. Just those big, wet, sloppy snowflakes.

83 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:24:34pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

McCain always looks so pissed off.

to me he always looks like a squirrel with a mouth full of nuts. Kinda like this guy:

Image: Screwy+Squirrel.jpg

84 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:24:37pm

re: #2 Kragar

The official GOP response to Benghazi

[Embedded content]

also:

Youtube Video
85 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:25:34pm

re: #82 CuriousLurker

Good for you! I need to get out and walk more.

re: #76 Ian G.

Yeah, it's kinda wet here too. A little accumulation, but not much. Just those big, wet, sloppy snowflakes.

My friend's dog gets lost in this stuff. 100lb white furred German Shepherd. Give her some ground fog and light snow cover and she turns into Stealth Hound.

86 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:26:50pm

re: #81 Gus

He needs a cane to shake at people.

He always seems like he's wound up real tight and any little thing might set him off. Even when he smiles it's...weird.

87 Kragar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:28:24pm

re: #86 CuriousLurker

He always seems like he's wound up real tight and any little thing might set him off. Even when he smiles it's...weird.

Thats not a smile, he's preparing to bite out a jugular vein.

88 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:29:21pm

re: #85 Feline Fearless Leader

My friend's dog gets lost in this stuff. 100lb white furred German Shepherd. Give her some ground fog and light snow cover and she turns into Stealth Hound.

LOL. I miss having a dog, but it's just not possible living in apartments. My cats are plenty quirky enough to keep me entertained though. ;)

89 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:29:33pm

re: #52 Mattand

What's absolutely amazing is there is no daylight between the mindset of a 9/11 truther and a Benghazi truther at this point. None. It's the same fucking mindset: impervious to facts and reality and an unhealthly level of paranoia.

Ok so we have Truthers and then we have Birthers, so what do we call the Benghazi conspiracy nuts?

Ghaziers?

90 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:29:38pm

re: #87 Kragar

Thats not a smile, he's preparing to bite out a jugular vein.

LMAO

91 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:29:43pm

re: #69 Feline Fearless Leader

Some flurries here in the center of Philly. Just making the roads wet and not sticking at all. Driver paranoia and Eagle fan depression levels are high though.

Just rain and cold out on Lawnguyland. And...well...Eagles suck! Go Giants!

92 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:30:31pm

re: #89 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Ok so we have Truthers and then we have Birthers, so what do we call the Benghazi conspiracy nuts?

Ghaziers?

Benny-G's.

93 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:31:28pm

re: #56 Kragar

New GOP Attack On Susan Rice: She Should Have Manipulated The Intelligence Or Stayed Silent On Benghazi

So Susan Rice should have said they found yellow cake in Libya?

But...but, isn't that the wrong Rice?

94 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:31:34pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

I'll believe it when I see it. Right now, "revenue increase" when said by the GOP doesn't seem to mean tax rate increases.

Nope, it means magical fairies will sprinkle pixie dust and the government will just have more money apparently. Imagine trying that tact with a bill collector? "By giving you less, you're actually going to make more. Trust me here, I know what I'm doing. Fox News called me an expert."

95 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:31:46pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Yup.

Senators up for reelection in 2014:

REPUBLICANS
Lamar Alexander (Tennessee)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Thad Cochran (Mississippi)
Susan Collins (Maine)
John Cornyn (Texas)
Michael Enzi (Wyoming)
Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)
James Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Mike Johanns (Nebraska)
Mitch McConnell (Kentucky)
James Risch (Idaho)
Pat Roberts (Kansas)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)

Lamar! is one of the more moderate Republicans and one of the few that I would still vote for despite my embargo on the GOP, if only to keep a True Believin' RWNJ from taking his seat.

96 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:32:04pm

re: #86 CuriousLurker

He always seems like he's wound up real tight and any little thing might set him off. Even when he smiles it's...weird.

He's just naturally combative, it runs in his family.

97 Kragar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:32:44pm

Massive Protest In Tahrir Square

The AP reports that more than 200,000 people are gathered in Cairo's Tahrir Square to protest President Mohamed Morsi's constitutional power grab.

98 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:33:40pm

re: #88 CuriousLurker

LOL. I miss having a dog, but it's just not possible living in apartments. My cats are plenty quirky enough to keep me entertained though. ;)

This dog was a major limiting factor in my friends finding a new place after Sandy flooded them out. Had to be a rental with a yard and one that allowed dogs. They did find a spot and relocated last week. Now south of I-195 and along the Delaware instead of up along Raritan Bay.

Image: Athena_the_Omega_Dog.JPG

I have stuck with cats due to them being fairly low maintenance compared to dogs, at least on a day-by-day basis.

99 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:33:47pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

He's just naturally combative, it runs in his family.

If you say so....he kinda creeps me out.

100 alinuxguru  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:34:09pm

Far more casualties were incurred during the USS Forrestal incident, yet nary a word from McCain about a need for a lengthy investigation there.

101 darthstar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:34:46pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

McCain always looks so pissed off.

You'd be pissed too if you shoved a tube of Benghazi up your butt.

102 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:35:09pm

re: #100 alinuxguru

That was not his fault.
...

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:35:38pm

re: #101 darthstar

You'd be pissed too if you shoved a tube of Benghazi up your butt.

It probably froze that way after they told him in 2008 that he would have to accept Palin as his running mate.
/

104 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:36:07pm

re: #102 Varek Raith

That was not his fault.
...

Like that makes a difference when there is a witch hunt on.
:p

105 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:36:51pm

re: #98 Feline Fearless Leader

This dog was a major limiting factor in my friends finding a new place after Sandy flooded them out. Had to be a rental with a yard and one that allowed dogs. They did find a spot and relocated last week. Now south of I-195 and along the Delaware instead of up along Raritan Bay.

Image: Athena_the_Omega_Dog.JPG

I have stuck with cats due to them being fairly low maintenance compared to dogs, at least on a day-by-day basis.

Awww, what a face. Glad they found a place. I had to move due to an emergency once and had to leave two beloved cats at a no-kill shelter. Broke my heart. Ten years later I still feel bad about leaving them.

106 darthstar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:37:52pm

re: #68 Gus

Look at these nuts.

Image: RICE1-articleLarge.jpg

Oh, yeah
I'm just a rage machine and I won't work for nobody but you
Yeah, baby, I'm just a rage machine
A rambling cussing fiend

107 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:39:16pm

re: #106 darthstar

Oh, yeah
I'm just a rage machine and I won't work for nobody but you
Yeah, baby, I'm just a rage machine
A rambling cussing fiend

When I think about the rages his wife must've had to endure over the years... *shudder*

109 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:40:03pm

re: #102 Varek Raith

That was not his fault.
...

Power surge on a switch sent off a Zuni rocket from an F-4 into a parked A-4 Skyhawk on the opposite end of the deck. Case closed.

110 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:40:16pm

re: #105 CuriousLurker

Awww, what a face. Glad they found a place. I had to move due to an emergency once and had to leave two beloved cats at a no-kill shelter. Broke my heart. Ten years later I still feel bad about leaving them.

One the requirements for the rental was them getting a letter from their vet saying that the dog was not vicious. They called the vet's office about getting the letter and the receptionist (who knows the dog) laughed out loud.

The nickname "Omega Dog" is basically because the dog puts itself at the bottom of the pack structure. Will bark at people and things, but beyond that will basically surrender immediately if confronted. Goes back to the initial owners I guess. (My friends got the dog as a "rescue" a few years back. They no longer have their first GS, who was a 135lb lump of fun named Thor.)

111 Kragar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:41:17pm

re: #109 Gus

Power surge on a switch sent off a Zuni rocket from an F-4 into a parked A-4 Skyhawk on the opposite end of the deck. Case closed.

Ah, but why was there a cover up about what caused the power surge?
/

112 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:41:27pm

re: #97 Kragar

Massive Protest In Tahrir Square

Don't worry, Killgore's assured me that nothing will come of it, because the military is still on Morsi's side.

///

113 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:41:31pm

re: #100 alinuxguru

Far more casualties were incurred during the USS Forrestal incident, yet nary a word from McCain about a need for a lengthy investigation there.

Please don't start that shit; I don't care for what McCain has become the past few years (or, maybe, he's just being more honest about what's he's always been), but let's leave what has long been determined as an accident (and the corresponding casualties) that he had no culpability for out of it.

114 Kragar  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:44:11pm

re: #113 TedStriker

, but let's leave what has long been determined as an accident (and the corresponding casualties) that he had no culpability for out of it.

Allegedly.
///

115 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:45:03pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

OT: Is anyone else getting snow? It's been snowing since morning here.

Off & on all day. But my chicken broth is done & I've finished chopping up the veggies & chicken meat. I'll throw the noodles in at 4:30 & at 5:00 I'll have a bowl of liquid gold.

116 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:46:34pm

re: #89 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Ok so we have Truthers and then we have Birthers, so what do we call the Benghazi conspiracy nuts?

Ghaziers?

Bengayers!

117 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:47:13pm

re: #115 William Barnett-Lewis

Off & on all day. But my chicken broth is done & I've finished chopping up the veggies & chicken meat. I'll throw the noodles in at 4:30 & at 5:00 I'll have a bowl of liquid gold.

Nom, nom, nom. Winter—stew, soup, and baked goods season.

118 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:47:30pm

TURKEY!

Youtube Video
119 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:49:26pm

re: #114 Kragar

Allegedly.
///

Final report was an inside job man! His father was an admiral!

//

120 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:50:16pm

Okay, time for me to get back to work. *sigh, grumble...*

121 Gus  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:51:27pm

re: #118 Varek Raith

TURKEY!

[Embedded content]

All gone! [Big cat burp.]

122 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:52:56pm

re: #118 Varek Raith

TURKEY!

[Embedded content]

We saw four turkeys on our hike yesterday. They were big! Still had all their feathers, and were walking around, although one of them had a limp... GET HIM!!!!

123 alinuxguru  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 12:59:52pm

re: #102 Varek Raith

How do we know? was a Senate hearing held?

124 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 1:07:10pm

Just when I thought there might be no hope -a glimmer of sanity appears in my inbox. -

45 minutes, bookmark for later, but please watch.

125 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 1:09:10pm

re: #89 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I don't think we should categorize this as a person type like the truthers, more like a disease. for example they have a case of "The Benghazis".

The Benghazis: a paranoid mental state that is caused by the belief that a scary black man with a funny name is covering up something, somewhere and that the reason there is no evidence of a cover-up is a result of that evidence being covered up.

126 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 27, 2012 3:21:07pm

re: #24 Gus

Yuck. Those all look like shoe ins save for possibly Graham if he's primaried by a Tea Nut. I suppose the others could be too but those are all solid red states except for Maine.

GA could get interesting since Saxby just flipped Norquist the bird. You get a real nutter running for the GOP, they could lose GA.


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