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Mitt Romney’s Strategist: We’d Have Won, Except for That Pesky 47%

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Stuart Stevens was the Big Kahuna for the Mitt Romney campaign, and his opinion piece today in the Washington Post is a fitting epitaph, demonstrating again the absolutely tone deaf nature of Romney’s pitch: Mitt Romney: A Good Man. the Right Fight.

Stevens is mainly concerned with shoring up his reputation, as the guy who lost. But the most telling part of the column is when he casually dismisses as unimportant all the voters who make less than $50,000 a year.

On Nov. 6, Romney carried the majority of every economic group except those with less than $50,000 a year in household income. That means he carried the majority of middle-class voters. While John McCain lost white voters younger than 30 by 10 points, Romney won those voters by seven points, a 17-point shift. Obama received 4½ million fewer voters in 2012 than 2008, and Romney got more votes than McCain.

I’m pretty sure there are quite a few Americans who make $50K a year and still consider themselves “middle class,” but even apart from that, Stevens is basically reiterating the infamous Romney “47%” line, and brushing off half the nation.

Oh… and of course, it wouldn’t be a right wing apologia if he didn’t infer that Obama won because he’s black.

There was a time not so long ago when the problems of the Democratic Party revolved around being too liberal and too dependent on minorities. Obama turned those problems into advantages and rode that strategy to victory. But he was a charismatic African American president with a billion dollars, no primary and media that often felt morally conflicted about being critical. How easy is that to replicate?

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112 comments

1 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:44:07pm

Boo fucking hoo Stevens. Just because your party and candidate are the candidate de jour of angry old white people doesn't mean you have the right to be a dog whistling douchenozzle.

2 darthstar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:44:46pm

Didn't Mitt Romney finish with 47% of the vote? Yes, as a matter of fact he did. That's called poetic justice.

3 Kragar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:48:46pm

Except for the part where they lost, they totally won.

4 Kragar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:49:55pm

Strategy tip for the GOP: Stop acting like total dicks.

5 TedStriker  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:49:57pm

Just a refresher, in case the name Stuart Stevens sounded familiar:

Overseas, Stevens worked for successfully for two candidates in 2005 and 2006. In Albania he worked for Prime Minister Sali Berisha during the 2005 election campaign, where he based the campaign primarily on "a pledge to reduce corruption"[9]. He also worked for 2006 election campaign of Joseph Kabila in the Democratic Republic of Congo[9].

Stuart Stevens: International douchecanoe.

6 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:51:01pm

re: #4 Kragar

Strategy tip for the GOP: Stop acting like total dicks.

They can't help it though. They know nothing else. I mean how else do you explain a party that nominates a guy who "likes to fire people" and makes jokes about jobs being outsourced.

7 darthstar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:51:25pm

re: #4 Kragar

Strategy tip for the GOP: Stop acting like total dicks.

Don't listen to Kragar...acting like total dicks is so working for you...keep it up (not a Viagra reference).

8 stabby  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:52:57pm

Yeah, how will the democrats replicate the fact that half the people in the US make less than the median income, which coincidentally is $50000.

9 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:54:12pm

Which is why Obama won the wealthiest states while Romney won the poorest states? Let's face it. Romney won the hillbilly vote.


10 Skip Intro  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:54:13pm

re: #3 Kragar

Except for the part where they lost, they totally won.

They won among the only people who matter. That's the important thing.

11 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:54:55pm

When Stuart pointed out how much better Romney did with certain groups than John McCain did, he failed to mention that the votes he gained in some circles amounted to a zero sum game for Romney. The GOP message of hate that attracted some voters repelled an equal number of others.

12 Kragar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:56:24pm

re: #8 stabby

Yeah, how will the democrats replicate the fact that half the people in the US make less than the median income, which coincidentally is $50000.

Obviously, if the democrats can only win with households making below $50k, the GOP should redistribute as much money down as possible to raise more people above that level and start winning elections again.

Oh, right... The GOP only redistributes money up.
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13 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:56:59pm

re: #9 Gus

Which is why Obama won the wealthiest states while Romney won the poorest states? Let's face it. Romney won the hillbilly vote.

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Yeah but that go against Stevens and Romney's meme that the freeloaders favor Obama. It's total nonsense of course. In fact, Obama won my county, the wealthiest county in the state of Virginia and among the wealthiest nation wide by actually a higher margin than he did state wide but of course if you listen to Stevens, it was those damn liberals and minorities.

14 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:58:04pm

Man, I thought this shit was gonna wear out...

15 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 3:59:27pm

Romney lost the fucking Cuban American vote. If that's not evidence of how Republicans continue to shit their load with minority voters, then I don't know what is. Probably had a small part to do with Romney insulting their intelligence by having an ad comparing President Obama to the Castro regime. Or maybe it was hiring Kobach and saying he wanted to have a policy where people would "self-deport." But hey nothing is ever Mitt Romney's fault ever. It's always someone else.

16 Kragar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:00:00pm

GOP Senator’s Crazy Reasoning: Raising Taxes On The Rich Would Hit The Poor ‘The Hardest’

Cloaking his predilection for the rich as concern for the less fortunate, Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) argued Wednesday that raising taxes on the wealthy would primarily hurt the poor. Lee’s comments came on former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee’s (R) radio show as the two discussed the looming fiscal showdown in Congress.

“The reason we worry about raising taxes on anyone – even raising taxes on the rich,” Lee argued, is “that will hit the poorest among us the hardest.” Lest listeners get the wrong idea, the Utah Senator insisted, “it’s not that we’re looking out for the rich.”
...
This prospect, frequently repeated by conservatives, that raising taxes on the wealthy will decimate the economy and destroy job creation (and thus hurt the poor) is simply not supported by empirical evidence. As these three graphs show, the nation’s best GDP growth and job creation rate in the last 60 years actually occurred when the top marginal income tax rate was between 75 and 80 percent. The worst period for both measurements occurred when the top rate was 35 percent, as it stands today. In fact, job growth and gross domestic product has little, if any, correlation to the tax rate on wealthy Americans.

17 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:00:05pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

Man, I thought this shit was gonna wear out...

Nah. They lost and now they're thinking what did they do wrong! It's sort of like a band being booed off stage because "they suck" and then seeing the band wonder "what was wrong with that audience?"

18 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:01:08pm

re: #16 Kragar

GOP Senator’s Crazy Reasoning: Raising Taxes On The Rich Would Hit The Poor ‘The Hardest’

They're not even trying anymore. Shit Lee this is pathetic even for a 2012 Republican and that's saying something.

19 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:01:16pm

OT. Looks like it's official.

20 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:02:14pm

It's really amazing - after all the grief this attitude caused them during the campaign, Stevens just ... says it again!

These boys ain't right in the head.

21 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:02:50pm

I said it in October but I can't wait for the tell all book from some disgruntled staffer about Mitt and his team.

22 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:06:52pm

The future of America with regards to science is being decided by right-wing Christian lawyers.

23 erik_t  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:07:35pm

Reminder.

On Nov. 6, Romney carried the majority of every economic group except those with less than $50,000 a year in household income.

The median family income in the United States is about $45,000 a year. Romney won a majority of every demographic group except the one that is more than half the country.

Damn gay math.

24 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:07:45pm

Dear GOP,
Here's why you lost.
The majority of Americans THINK YOUR POLICIES SUCK.

25 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:07:51pm

Political analysis from Stuart Stevens is about as useful as football analysis from Matt Millen.

26 jaunte  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:08:20pm
"...media that often felt morally conflicted about being critical..."

Same old "unfair unbalanced" media complaint.

27 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:08:24pm

re: #25 Mich-again

Political analysis from Stuart Stevens is about as useful as football analysis from Matt Millen.

HOLE IN ONE!

28 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:08:59pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

It's really amazing - after all the grief this attitude caused them during the campaign, Stevens just ... says it again!

These boys ain't right in the head.

These people seem to think their wealth makes them a new kind of aristocracy, inherently superior to the unwashed masses with middle/low incomes.

The Romney campaign made this extremely clear.

29 erik_t  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:09:11pm

re: #25 Mich-again

Political analysis from Stuart Stevens is about as useful as football analysis from Matt Millen.

Technical foul, meanness.

30 stabby  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:10:05pm

What I find so strange is that on the rwnj site I look at, pj, they're taking their antipsychotics or drinking themselves into a stupor and slowly backing down on everything they've said for the last 4 years about the debt. They're pretty much facing that fact that the bat-shit-crazy Bircher wing that they represent has lost.

It's odd watching them be listless after 4 years of florid insanity. It's like it was all bluster, even if they sounded like dangerous kk nuts on a lynching party.

I mean they're not all better, but the difference is surprising. You don't realize how little of the the craziness these guys really believe until you see them facing the fact that they were never the majority.

I mean they still say stupid things. Rick Moran wrote an article saying that Obamacare will instantly instantly instantly (in less than 2 years) cause a recession and then Republicans will then jump in and take over congress forever. Which is odd, because if you read his blog, you'd have thought he was one of the few sane people at pj. But even his audience isn't buying the bullshit.

31 Kragar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:10:12pm
32 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:10:16pm

This is mindbogglingly stupid logic.

33 jaunte  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:10:36pm

Mitt Romney: "If you have no skill or experience…you're welcome to cross the border and stay here for the rest of your life."

34 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:11:32pm

re: #31 Kragar

Image: WGW19Uo6F06VMID6bgXzPA2.jpg

I LOL'd

Dear silly people who think this,
Get off the internet.

35 researchok  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:11:44pm

This was a dumb op ed.

The GOP didn't lose because of the 47% remarks.

The GOP lost because they lost touch with reality.

For some reason, voters tend to appreciate candidates with both feet on the ground. voters will swallow a lot of bitter pills if they believe their candidate is trying to deal with the problems they face.

36 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:12:06pm

re: #34 Varek Raith

Dear silly people who think this,
Get off the internet planet.

FTFY

37 jaunte  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:12:09pm

Mitt Romney: "I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

38 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:12:28pm

re: #34 Varek Raith

I'll forward that to everyone who forwarded that inane Facebook Copyright Statement to me!

39 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:13:05pm

re: #37 jaunte

Mitt Romney: "I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Are these 7-11 cookies? They look like 7-11 cookies.

40 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:13:08pm

re: #35 researchok

This was a dumb op ed.

The GOP didn't lose because of the 47% remarks.

The GOP lost because they lost touch with reality.

For some reason, voters tend to appreciate candidates with both feet on the ground- for better or worse.

I think it is fair to say that Romney's 47% remarks were strong evidence of his detachment from reality. Plus, dissing half the country is never to be recommended.

41 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:13:23pm

I think the 47% remark was just the tip of the iceberg really. I think the statement confirmed what a lot of people thought about Mitt Romney and then he did little to change that. Empathy? Some can fake it with great skill. Mitt won't even try to fake empathy.

42 stabby  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:13:59pm

re: #35 researchok

Protip, they're not going to get in touch with reality any time soon.

They're starting to remind me of the Taliban. They don't want to appeal to most of the country because they hate most of the country. They want God to miraculously give them wins because they're more holy than those horrible sinner voters who are all going to hell anyway.

43 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:14:43pm

re: #37 jaunte

Mitt Romney: "I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Meanwhile, Walmart wages are so low that their employees are often on public assistance. What was that about personal responsibility, Walmart heirs?

44 jaunte  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:15:12pm

Mitt Romney: "We don't have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don't have insurance."

45 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:15:41pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

I think the 47% remark was just the tip of the iceberg really. I think the statement confirmed what a lot of people thought about Mitt Romney and then he did little to change that. Empathy? Some can fake it with great skill. Mitt won't even try to fake empathy.

He's been a privileged bully his entire life. Empathy? who needs it..

46 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:17:23pm

re: #44 jaunte

Mitt Romney: "We don't have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don't have insurance."

Just go to the emergency room.

47 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:17:30pm

Apparently you don't always get what you pay for:

"According to an analysis by the Times Data Desk, part of the Los Angeles Times, the Obama campaign had 901 people on its payroll last month, and paid them a median salary of $3,074 a month, or $36,886 a year.

The Romney campaign, in contrast, had 403 people on its payroll, and paid them a median salary of $6,437 in August, which would mean $77,250 a year.

A Romney campaign official said the median staff salary is actually $51,500 a year. The August payroll may have been inflated by back pay owed to new employees, the official said.

So, the “businessman” Romney pays fewer people more money than the “socialist” Obama."

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

Someone on the intertubes claimed that the Romney campaign tab was a ratio of 134:6 compared to the Obama team. Can't find it now.

48 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:19:15pm

He thinks Romney won the primary because voters liked him.

Nobody liked Romney except voters. What began in a small field in New Hampshire grew into a national movement. It wasn’t our campaign, it was Romney. He bested the competition in debates, and though he was behind almost every candidate in the GOP primary at one time or the other, he won the nomination and came very close to winning the presidency.

He won the primary because: Santorum, Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich, etc.

49 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:20:57pm

This came up next to the article:

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50 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:22:16pm

I know the subject has been covered, but Wonkette's take on Glenn Beck's Serrano imitation is worth it for the title alone:

For His Next Trick, Glenn Beck Will Put Mapplethorpe’s Bullwhip Right There In His Butt

Damn, but that Glenn Beck is CLEVER. He sure showed us! In fact, we are in a rage! All of us! Every librul on the planet is mad mad mad. And, by “every librul” we mean “a few random anonymous people on twitter.” Listen, we don’t get it either. There’s no good reason that Fox or Beck or anyone should still be yelling at clouds over some nominally shocking art from 25 years ago. And Beck didn’t even have the decency to be for-real shocking and go all GG Allin and use his own urine or Mr. Serrano’s urine or anyone else’s urine. Beck appears to have used Dos Equis Beer. Yr Wonkette would seriously consider drinking a mason jar of bobblehead-filled urine or going on a date with GG Allin before downing 32 ounces of Dos Equis.

This fixation is just weird. To be fair, it isn’t, say, Andrew Shirvell stalker level of weird. Not even “I Will Always Love You” or “Every Breath You Take” level of creepy. Just more like that sad guy you went out with once in college and you heard a Gin Blossoms song on the radio and then he made you like ten mixtapes with “Hey Jealousy” on it until you graduated. Expect to have to care about this issue again in 2027 or so, kids.

51 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:22:41pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

He thinks Romney won the primary because voters liked him.

He won the primary because Santorum, Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich, etc.

And Romney could bury his GOP rivals in the primaries by outspending them by 10x or more.

52 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:23:44pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

He thinks Romney won the primary because voters liked him.

He won the primary because Santorum, Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich, etc.

And they're still out there, most of them.

53 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:24:02pm

re: #40 EPR-radar

Plus, dissing half the country is never to be recommended.

Like women?

54 researchok  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:24:53pm

re: #42 stabby

Too much truth to that.

55 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:24:58pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

And they're still out there, most of them.

Farther than ever.

56 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:26:33pm

Tom Davis says “underclass minorities” helped Obama

Must be something in the watertea.

57 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:27:40pm

Afternoon Lizards.

About last night. In the page section, I was, shall we say, being a fucking dick/troll and deserved the ridicule and down dings that were delivered.

For this I, apologize. My postings were out of line. I let emotion control my posts instead of logic. Again, you have my apologies.

58 researchok  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:28:16pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

Pretty astonishing when you think about it.

59 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:28:29pm

I like the way you talk.

60 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:29:41pm

re: #53 The Mountain That Blogs

Like women?

I was actually thinking of the 47% of Romney's greatest hit, but of course the GOP is also awful for women. Why there isn't a 50 point advantage for the Dems among women in every election by now is a mystery.

Then again, the world includes many marvels, such as Log Cabin Republicans, and PotterxSnape slash.

61 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:29:45pm

I was hoping after the election that we would see real reform in the GOP.
Both parties go through this after multiple losses. It's deeply disappointing to see the grand old party fall off the cliff and keep digging deeper at the bottom.
In my best Al Pacino voice.
The moderate Republican is Dead

62 erik_t  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:32:51pm

re: #61 A Man for all Seasons

Both parties go through this after multiple losses. It's deeply disappointing to see the grand old party fall off the cliff and keep digging deeper and the bottom.

That's a pretty strong statement. I don't remember Code Pink dictating national Democratic policy, which feels like the rough equivalent of where we are now.

63 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:33:28pm

After the Crack-Up
By Lee Habeeb & Mike Leven

It’s been weeks since our “surprise” loss on November 6. The conservative crack-up began in real time, as we watched Karl Rove, à la Captain Queeg, insist that his employer, Fox News, was calling Ohio, and the election, for President Obama prematurely.

Then came the fingerpointing, and the conjecture. Our pundits covered every scenario. We were too conservative. We weren’t conservative enough. The social issues killed us. We didn’t hit the social issues hard enough. We had a candidate problem. A woman problem. A Hispanic problem. It will continue for months, this self-abuse masquerading as self-examination. And liberals will eat it up, watching us wallow in self-doubt.

But if there is one thing conservatives can agree on post-election, it’s this: The dominance of the Left in the storytelling arena is making a difference at the polls. It’s impossible to measure, but anyone who doesn’t think it skews outcomes is living in an alternative universe.


Bolding
mine.

64 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:33:41pm

re: #57 Bubblehead II

Afternoon Lizards.

About last night. In the page section, I was, shall we say, being a fucking dick/troll and deserved the ridicule and down dings that were delivered.

For this I, apologize. My postings were out of line. I let emotion control my posts instead of logic. Again, you have my apologies.

Didn't see it, but dang, you logged out when we had some posts about Submarines. Your input would have been great.
You are a good guy and have a right to go over the top every so often.

65 stabby  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:34:02pm

Also they can't keep their stories straight about what a recession would mean.

Moran says "Obamacare will cause a recession (lolwhat?) and that will be the end of the Democratic party". Careful with this stuff, if you fall down laughing you may hurt yourself or pull a muscle.

Bryan Preston says that Obama will force the fiscal cliff to intentionally cause a recession that he can blame on the Republicans.

I'm not really sure we should be buying the "automatic spending cuts and tax raises will cause a recession" line. It bugs me that the news never questions it. If the claim is that raising taxes always causes a recession, well then we've just bought voodoo economics and the tea party has won. Why are we suddenly buying that line now?

Ok half of it is spending cuts, but wasn't what congress was going to do cut spending and raise taxes?

What exactly is the difference between automatic cuts and taxes vs a deal? That the former also cuts the military's all night viagra party?

66 Charleston Chew  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:34:49pm

re: #62 erik_t

That's a pretty strong statement. I don't remember Code Pink dictating national Democratic policy, which feels like the rough equivalent of where we are now.

Democratic party went through this 40 years ago.

67 stabby  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:35:21pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

What bullshit.

Their problem is that they listen to their own story telling, and their stories suck. When you let morons like Ann Coulter define your universe you're a total failure, walking dead.

68 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:37:10pm

On Nov. 6, Romney carried the majority of every economic group except those with less than $50,000 a year in household income

that is, they won the majority of 55% or so of voters

and your point is, mr stevens?

also, for dismissing people with household incomes less than 50k, sir, you should be condemned to clean your own damn toilets for the rest of your life

69 erik_t  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:37:36pm

re: #66 Charleston Chew

Democratic party went through this 40 years ago.

They went through a challenging radicalization spiral, yes. I don't remember the equivalent of a whiny cable news functionary like Grover Norquist literally forcing their entire congressional delegation to cater to his every whim.

(partially because I'm not forty years old and there was no cable news, but that's neither here nor there)

70 TedStriker  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:38:36pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

After the Crack-Up
By Lee Habeeb & Mike Leven


Bolding
mine.

Hrmmm:

But if there is one thing conservatives can agree on post-election, it’s this: The dominance of the Left in the storytelling arena is making a difference at the polls. It’s impossible to measure, but anyone who doesn’t think it skews outcomes is living in an alternative universe.

RWNJs still haven't learned a goddamned thing from this election.

71 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:41:21pm

re: #70 TedStriker

Looks like business as usual up and down the roster.

72 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:41:51pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

After the Crack-Up
By Lee Habeeb & Mike Leven


Bolding
mine.

You're not doing your brain any favors by reading that BS. The last part:

So as we study the gender gap, the marriage gap, and the other various gaps in the electorate over the coming months, we need to tackle the most important gap of them all: the storytelling gap. We are on America’s side. We’re on the side of the little guy. We’re on the side of men and women of every age, ethnicity, and class, and of the principles that have drawn people here for centuries.

Too many Americans just don’t know it yet.

They're not just lying to you. They're lying to themselves. Unless they are using the definition of 'story' that means 'untruths'.

Downding is for linking NRO.

73 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:43:49pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

After the Crack-Up
By Lee Habeeb & Mike Leven


Bolding
mine.

Who wrote that? There's a lot of fractured grammar there. Also, "Left" shouldn't be capitalized. There is no Left but rather the left. At the end they also have this:

Lee Habeeb is vice president of content at Salem Radio Network. Mike Leven is the president and chief operating office of the Las Vegas Sands and a member of the Job Creators Alliance.

That should be chief operating officer not office. Salem Radio is of course owned by Salem Communications which owns Hot Air.

74 b_sharp  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:44:32pm

re: #23 erik_t

Reminder.

The median family income in the United States is about $45,000 a year. Romney won a majority of every demographic group except the one that is more than half the country.

Damn gay math.

Not fair. You can actually do math.

75 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:44:39pm

re: #62 erik_t

That's a pretty strong statement. I don't remember Code Pink dictating national Democratic policy, which feels like the rough equivalent of where we are now.

I wasn't trying to show extreme examples. I was thinking how Clinton reformed and changed the Dems to beat a sitting president with a 80% approval during the Gulf war 1. How Bush had the big Tent Policy. An all inclusion Platform that worked that year.
I leave off any fringe groups like code pink. But damn you are right.. The GOP is doubling down on the craziness.

76 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:44:43pm

re: #64 A Man for all Seasons

Didn't see it, but dang, you logged out when we had some posts about Submarines. Your input would have been great.

Link? I might still be able to add some input.

"You are a good guy and have a right to go over the top every so often".

No, I don't. My over the top responses were properly ridiculed as they should have been.

77 stabby  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:44:50pm

Oops big typo said the opposite of what I meant.

Rick Moran actually said that Obamacare will cause a recession [lolwhat?] and that will be the end of the Democratic party.

How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that health insurance causes recessions? Or that you could even sell that line?

78 dragonath  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:44:59pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

A National Review article?

You’d think our wealthiest conservatives would want to mimic that accomplishment in other areas of our culture. Why not create an alternative to NPR? It reaches 33 million people with its feigned neutrality. Or The Daily Show? Ridicule is a powerful weapon, and the Left offers Americans much to laugh about.

We aren’t just throwing money down the drain on commercials. We’re funding the Left’s storytelling and programming machine. And we’re the smart guys?

...

Why haven’t we developed studios or messaging tanks that support our worldview?

Yeah, like that's what the world needs.

— Lee Habeeb is vice president of content at Salem Radio Network . Mike Leven is the president and chief operating office of the Las Vegas Sands and a member of the Job Creators Alliance.

Oh, look, it was written by the Salem bigots and Adelson's right hand man.

79 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:46:40pm

re: #78 dragonath

A National Review article?

Yeah, like that's what the world needs.

Oh, look, it was written by the Salem bigots and Adelson's right hand man.

Apparently Mr. Leven is also "a room, set of rooms, or building used as a place for commercial, professional, or bureaucratic work." //

80 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:48:09pm

I waded through years of Lamar Smith's opinion pieces, blogs, statements to get an idea of what he has said before about his new role as Chair of the House Science Committee. There are 2 basic points he makes over and over again. 1) Regulations kill businesses. What kind of regulations you ask? All of them. They are all bad. and 2) The Space Industry is a job creator for Texas.

That sums up about 2/3 of what he writes about.

81 dragonath  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:49:21pm

re: #79 Gus

Yeah... it actually says that.

Maybe these guys can start to fix their messaging by hiring an editor.

82 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:52:37pm

re: #79 Gus

Apparently Mr. Leven is also "a room, set of rooms, or building used as a place for commercial, professional, or bureaucratic work." //

Maybe a set of rooms is entitled to use an apostrophe in "it's" even when a possessive was intended.

83 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:53:35pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

I think the 47% remark was just the tip of the iceberg really. I think the statement confirmed what a lot of people thought about Mitt Romney and then he did little to change that. Empathy? Some can fake it with great skill. Mitt won't even try to fake empathy.

The Romney IT department is working on an empathy subroutine for the Taggbot to be launched in time for the 2020 campaign.

84 TedStriker  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:53:42pm

re: #70 TedStriker

Hrmmm:

RWNJs still haven't learned a goddamned thing from this election.

Here's a hint, RWNJs: Your "message" got out loud-and-clear, despite the "librul media" (which, in and of itself, is a fictional construct these days, but I digress). However, your "message" stinks on ice and voters clued in on it, especially in the closing weeks and days of the campaign; Romney's comments about abolishing/crippling FEMA stood in stark contrast to the federal response to Hurricane Sandy spearheaded by President Obama and his FEMA chief right before the election.

People pay attention to stuff like that.

85 bratwurst  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:55:32pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

Downding is for linking NRO.

Come on, it has been weeks since they had to eliminate a "white nationalist" from their ranks!

86 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:55:41pm

re: #84 TedStriker

Here's a hint, RWNJs: Your "message" got out loud-and-clear, despite the "librul media" (which, in and of itself, is a fictional construct these days, but I digress). However, your "message" stinks on ice and voters clued in on it, especially in the closing weeks and days of the campaign; Romney's comments about abolishing/crippling FEMA stood in stark contrast to the federal response to Hurricane Sandy spearheaded by President Obama and his FEMA chief right before the election.

People pay attention to stuff like that.

They are mistaking a content problem for a format problem.

87 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:56:05pm

re: #85 bratwurst

Come on, it has been weeks since they had to eliminate a "white nationalist" from their ranks!

I'm so cruel....

88 dragonath  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:58:03pm

More on that Lee Habeeb dude:

Habeeb produced the video "Is Nationalized Health Care a Death Snare?" about the effects a government takeover of health care would have on both beginning of life and end of life issues.

DEATH PANELS!!!!1!

Habeeb was also instrumental in helping some prominent Atlanta doctors create and promote Docs4PatientCare and has worked closely with the promotion of the Association of Mature American Citizens (AMAC), which promotes itself as a conservative alternative to the AARP.

Uh... "Mature"? Is this for real?

89 TedStriker  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:58:26pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

They are mistaking a content problem for a format problem.

I'll just say that they're being fucking willfully stupid.

90 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:58:45pm

re: #88 dragonath

More on that Lee Habeeb dude:

DEATH PANELS!!!!1!

Uh... "Mature"? Is this for real?

We need better story tellers.

//

91 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:59:10pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

They are mistaking a content problem for a format problem.

GOP soul searching: "Does this dress make me look fat?"

92 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:59:21pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

After the Crack-Up
By Lee Habeeb & Mike Leven

So what is the great GOP story, and how does it relate to actual policy? Lets consider spending as a specific example.

GOP fiscal restraint in practice = spend like drunken sailors when they are in power (Bush), and use spending cuts only as a weapon against a Democratic president (both Obama and Clinton).

What kind of story can spin that pile of crap? The greatest story tellers that ever lived couldn't put lipstick on that pig.

The GOP response to this has been to deny the facts as they stand. Outside the Fox/Rush bubble, this is known as lying.

93 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:00:11pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

They are mistaking a content problem for a format problem.

Why are they booing us?

Uh, your music sucks.

Well, we have to find a way to convince them our music doesn't suck!

94 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:00:47pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

They are mistaking a content problem for a format problem.

Direct quotes that contain nutty right-wing statements have a liberal bias.

95 TedStriker  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:02:33pm

re: #88 dragonath

More on that Lee Habeeb dude:

DEATH PANELS!!!!1!

Uh... "Mature"? Is this for real?

This is the man who gave us Dr. Laura on the radio...need I say more?

96 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:02:53pm

re: #76 Bubblehead II

Was it good scotch or fine wine?
Over the years I've posted some pretty stupid shit that got some sarcasm and dings..
But you can't get up or down dings without stepping into the arena.

97 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:05:13pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

After the Crack-Up
By Lee Habeeb & Mike Leven


Bolding
mine.

No amount of storytelling is going to fix your party's endemic bigotry.

It's not just about gays either. Think about your best friend, who somehow convinced you that minority turnout was going to be down this year. You've been repeatedly asked to tell us what his reasoning was, but you steadfastly refuse. This leaves people with the impression that it wasn't so much reasoning as wishful thinking.

The fact that you, your best friend, and your party were all openly hoping and predicting that minorities wouldn't be participating so much in our democracy this year was somehow worth relating, without acknowledging the racial animus that such a hope betrayed.

98 dragonath  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:05:14pm

Woah, this "Mature American Citizens" thing is for real. Instead of being an organization that's working for the welfare of seniors, it's...

"AMAC is the senior organization for conservative Americans aged 50 plus. We provide discounts for seniors and promote American Values"

Yeah! Fuck you, old liberal hippie!

The rest of the site has pleas for "religious freedom", Medicare Advantage posturing, and links to various gold scams. They can't help it, they'll even screw themselves.

99 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:08:49pm

Dark, were you trolling with that NRO piece?

100 TedStriker  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:10:59pm

re: #98 dragonath

Woah, this "Mature American Citizens" thing is for real. Instead of being an organization that's working for the welfare of seniors, it's...

Yeah! Fuck you, old liberal hippie!

The rest of the site has pleas for "religious freedom", Medicare Advantage posturing, and links to various gold scams. They can't help it, they'll even screw themselves.

It's a means to grift the party faithful.

101 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:16:01pm

re: #98 dragonath

Woah, this "Mature American Citizens" thing is for real. Instead of being an organization that's working for the welfare of seniors, it's...

Yeah! Fuck you, old liberal hippie!

The rest of the site has pleas for "religious freedom", Medicare Advantage posturing, and links to various gold scams. They can't help it, they'll even screw themselves.

i saw a few years ago already where the scam artists had realized that wingnuts and fundies are Very Gullible People

remember: buy lots of gold now becuz soon there will be massive inflation, the dollar will be worthless, the bad 47% people will riot, and you will have to hole up in your bunker and survive by eating all the gold you put all your money into

um, wait...

102 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:16:57pm

re: #98 dragonath

Woah, this "Mature American Citizens" thing is for real. Instead of being an organization that's working for the welfare of seniors, it's...

Yeah! Fuck you, old liberal hippie!

The rest of the site has pleas for "religious freedom", Medicare Advantage posturing, and links to various gold scams. They can't help it, they'll even screw themselves.

This is kind of funny.

AMAC’s Values:

AMAC’s values are based on the same Judeo-Christian Values that our Nation is founded on. AMAC believes in religious freedom and tolerance. We welcome members of all faiths as well as agnostics and atheists. Patriotic Citizens of America must unite!

103 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:22:10pm

re: #96 A Man for all Seasons

"Was it good scotch or fine wine?
Over the years I've posted some pretty stupid shit that got some sarcasm and dings.."

Crown and Beer. But PWI Is no excuse. Iron fist rule.

"But you can't get up or down dings without stepping into the arena."

But if you are going to, do so while sober. Otherwise, accept the consequences of you actions.

104 krypto  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:23:40pm

LOL! Everyone knows Obama won the election because a uniformed Black Panther politely opened a door for a white voter at a polling place in Philadelphia, intimidating white voters all across the nation into voting for Obama.

105 TedStriker  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:25:28pm

re: #101 engineer cat

i saw a few years ago already where the scam artists had realized that wingnuts and fundies are Very Gullible People

remember: buy lots of gold now becuz soon there will be massive inflation, the dollar will be worthless, the bad 47% people will riot, and you will have to hole up in your bunker and survive by eating all the gold you put all your money into

um, wait...

Note that the gold scarists like Goldline and Lear Capital don't have any problems taking "fiat money" (even on credit cards) from their marks customers...

106 Kragar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:26:41pm

Captain Planet returns!

107 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 5:27:34pm

My new avatar has a name: Laemanctus serratus. But I'll be changing it soon because the color clashes with my green header. I know nobody else sees my header as green, but it bugs me.

108 Tigger2  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 6:04:57pm

re: #56 The Prayerful Consideration of a Flea

Tom Davis says “underclass minorities” helped Obama

Must be something in the watertea.

As a 60 yr old white guy on disability I must be one of the "underclass minorities" that helped Obama win, Hell anytime the Republicans want to raise my disability pay from 12K a year to 100k a year I may think of voting for them ( but that's not a promise).

109 Lidane  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 6:17:26pm

For all those people you know posting that fake "privacy notice" on Facebook:

[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]

110 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 6:26:29pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

I'm so cruel....

I like that about you....

111 Skip Intro  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 7:01:36pm

re: #43 EPR-radar

itt Romney: "I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

He'll also never convince me that being born into a rich and powerful family was not instrumental in giving him a huge free boost up that most people never get. Being a non-humble, total asshole of a man, Willard just can't ever admit that.

112 labman57  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:46:59pm

Romney convincingly won the white male, Christian heterosexual, private sector employer vote, so it's really a victory for all truly patriotic Americans.


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