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1 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 7:49:02pm

Photos like that do give some hope, hope that sanity might have a chance to prevail, for at least the men running for president did not hate each other.

I know that sentence is disjointed, but its how I feel.

2 freetoken  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 7:49:17pm

Weird as this may seem, when I first saw this photo what struck me was.... the tan color scheme of the current furniture selection for the oval office. I'd prefer a move back to blue.

3 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 7:49:27pm

Romney's bowing!

4 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 7:51:08pm

re: #2 freetoken

Weird as this may seem, when I first saw this photo what struck me was.... the tan color scheme of the current furniture selection for the oval office. I'd prefer a move back to blue.

Tan goes better with the wallpaper though as well as with the wood in the room.

5 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 7:53:22pm

And that's the closest you'll ever get to the Resolute Desk...

6 darthstar  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 7:56:53pm
7 darthstar  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 7:57:54pm

Is it cold, stiff and uncomfortable in here, Mitt, or is it just you?

8 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 7:58:07pm

re: #6 darthstar

Image: 432344_10152299394185436_1540692496_n.jpg

Not a Win 8 fan, I gather...

9 freetoken  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:01:26pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

The wallpaper and the paint is replaced every now and again.

I just find the whole color scheme too bland, with the white trim, and old books that I doubt anyone opens, and the bronze cowboy statue (did Reagan bring that in?) Other than the Stature of Liberty painting, the only splash of color is the seasonal decorations. Even the shin-killer (aka coffee table) is bland, and the bowl holding the apples blend into nothingness. The pillows on the couch are muted.

And so on.

10 Kaessa  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:04:50pm

re: #2 freetoken

Weird as this may seem, when I first saw this photo what struck me was.... the tan color scheme of the current furniture selection for the oval office. I'd prefer a move back to blue.

I was just thinking the opposite. I was thinking how comfortable that office looks. It would be a nice place to work.

11 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:05:15pm

re: #6 darthstar

Image: 432344_10152299394185436_1540692496_n.jpg

Gah, I'll take my standard desktop and icons TYVM.

12 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:05:43pm

re: #9 freetoken

I liked it better when it was blue also. It does look a little too much like commercial office space now for my taste. A personal office should have more warmth.

13 Kaessa  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:05:51pm

re: #11 Gus

Gah, I'll take my standard desktop and icons TYVM.

Easy enough with Windows 8. I hardly ever see the metro stuff.

14 Sionainn  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:05:55pm

re: #2 freetoken

Weird as this may seem, when I first saw this photo what struck me was.... the tan color scheme of the current furniture selection for the oval office. I'd prefer a move back to blue.

I don't care for the blandness, either, but I would choose greens and darker woods.

15 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:06:22pm

Here is a totally different kind of picture...

Truth

A painting depicting President Obama as Jesus Christ with a crown of thorns on his head, crucified against the presidential seal is currently on display at a community college art gallery in Boston. The painting, titled “Truth,” is featured in a larger exhibit at the Bunker Hill Community College Art Gallery titled “Artists on the Stump – the Road to the White House 2012.”

The artist, Michael D’Antuono, mocked his critics, arguing that his “First Amendment rights should override someone’s hurt feelings.”

“We should celebrate the fact that we live in a country where we are given the freedom to express ourselves,” he said.

D’Antuono also criticized conservative media for “trying to promote the idea that liberals believe the president to literally be our savior.”

“The crucifixion of the president was meant metaphorically…My intent was not to compare him to Jesus,” he added.
Read more at [Link: www.inquisitr.com...]

Add one more to the list of people willing to purposefully exploit religious outrage to try to get their 15 minutes of fame. This is why we can't have nice things, someone always has to push things too far, just because they can.

P.S. Thanks a lot for reviving the "Liberals think Obama is the Messiah" meme you idiot. :(

16 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:06:54pm

re: #13 Kaessa

Easy enough with Windows 8. I hardly ever see the metro stuff.

Ah. OK.

17 Sionainn  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:07:06pm

Looking at it again, the thing that really makes it to blah is the carpet. If it was darker, it would look a lot better.

18 freetoken  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:07:08pm

This article discusses the decorating, and has a shot of the office from a different angle:

My Opinion of 2011 Fashion Decorator Colors

I remember a few months ago we got a look at the redesign of the Obama Oval Office in the White House. Drab wheat browns and pale sepias had replaced the bright and sunny colors of the old Bush decor. It was quite a shock. Was it more contemporary and sophisticated? Was it just depressing?

The color scheme was definitely earthy and Earth Tones was one of the six new fashion colors for Spring 2011. You are probably wondering what the other colors were... so here they are - Honeysuckle PInk, Blue (Sky, Navy and Aqua), Persimmon Orange, Pale Yellow and White.

[...]

19 biorabbi  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:07:41pm

This picture was nice, but, it appears there is a dude in the far background who appears to be snooping/creeping in on the Obama/Romney meeting. At any rate, I'm glad they had the meeting. Obama's sporting his dark navy power suit, and Romney looks more rumpled than usual in his blue suit.

20 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:12:03pm

re: #19 biorabbi

The guy in the background is likely to be a Secret Service agent.

21 Batman  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:14:51pm

re: #20 watching you tiny alien kittens are

The guy in the background is likely to be a Secret Service agent.

Probably one assigned to Romney in the campaign. Awkward!

22 jaunte  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:15:25pm

re: #20 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Image: eavesdropper.jpg

23 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:16:16pm

re: #21 Batman

Lol

re: #22 jaunte

Lol

24 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:16:21pm

re: #19 biorabbi

This picture was nice, but, it appears there is a dude in the far background who appears to be snooping/creeping in on the Obama/Romney meeting. At any rate, I'm glad they had the meeting. Obama's sporting his dark navy power suit, and Romney looks more rumpled than usual in his blue suit.

Rumpled? I don't get that at all from either of them. Heck, Romney's suit likely costs more than many people's cars.

25 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:24:24pm

re: #19 biorabbi

This picture was nice, but, it appears there is a dude in the far background who appears to be snooping/creeping in on the Obama/Romney meeting.

It's Joe trying to photobomb.

26 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:28:07pm

re: #2 freetoken

Weird as this may seem, when I first saw this photo what struck me was.... the tan color scheme of the current furniture selection for the oval office. I'd prefer a move back to blue.

Every color photo I've ever seen of the White House interior has featured horrendously gaudy furniture. It always looks like it came from a TBN set.

I don't have much of an eye for interior design, but I know gaudy when I see it. I think the White House needs some Swiss and/or German interior designers on staff.

27 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:29:28pm

re: #26 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Every color photo I've ever seen of the White House interior has featured horrendously gaudy furniture. It always looks like it came from a TBN set.

I don't have much of an eye for interior design, but I know gaudy when I see it. I think the White House needs some Swiss and/or German interior designers on staff.

Wouldn't be worth the cost politically. People would scream "Aren't Americans good enough?".

28 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:30:13pm

re: #26 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I think the White House needs some Swiss and/or German interior designers on staff.

We need Indonesian and Muslim influences... ZOMG!

29 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:30:38pm

re: #26 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Every color photo I've ever seen of the White House interior has featured horrendously gaudy furniture. It always looks like it came from a TBN set.

I don't have much of an eye for interior design, but I know gaudy when I see it. I think the White House needs some Swiss and/or German interior designers on staff.

Nah, Swede. Lots of blond maple & Ikea accents ...


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30 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:35:26pm

...

31 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:37:14pm

I wonder if they cleared off the presidential desk for the photo. If I were president, which would never happen, the desk would be a disorganized mess of papers, books and pens. And a coffee cup.

32 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:38:29pm

"Hey dude, I put the blade away. See, my hand's in my pocket. Seriously, we'll look you up the next time we're in Cali."

33 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:39:42pm

re: #31 wheat-dogghazi

I wonder if they cleared off the presidential desk for the photo. If I were president, which would never happen, the desk would be a disorganized mess of papers, books and pens. And a coffee cup.

That desk has a huge drawer on the right hand side that the prez can just sweep all the "clutter" off into. It's especially useful since they found the bag of holding at Warehouse 51 and put it in there...


///need I?

34 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:42:13pm

I'd have golf clubs and a putting green up in that beyatch. Plus a nice set of Focal studio monitors on my mango and koa desk.

And a wine fridge with bottles from all over.

And single malts and tequila.

35 freetoken  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:42:18pm

re: #31 wheat-dogghazi

And a coffee cup.

If you look down the middle of the picture, towards the eavesdropper, the old writing desk in that office looks like it has someone's lunch on it.

36 freetoken  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:45:18pm

Let's face it - that whole building is old, outdated, and needs to be replaced. Turn it into a museum.

Our collective desire for nostalgia is just an albatross around our neck.

I propose a new Executive Office be built, one that is not a residence, that would serve as the POTUS office.

A new residence could be built on the Naval Observatory grounds, which would be much more secure and provide more privacy for those Presidents with young families.

37 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:45:19pm

Probably the eavesdropper's.

38 freetoken  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:47:09pm

The new construction would also free us from the neo-classical architecture, and the whole Age of Imperialism feeling that goes with it.

39 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:50:04pm

re: #38 freetoken

The new construction would also free us from the neo-classical architecture, and the whole Age of Imperialism feeling that goes with it.

LOL you are so ate up..:)
I like the WH.

40 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:50:07pm

re: #38 freetoken

The new construction would also free us from the neo-classical architecture, and the whole Age of Imperialism feeling that goes with it.

I like Neo-Classical. It has deep meaning and significant meaning for Chicago.

41 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:50:08pm

re: #36 freetoken

Oh, like the Brits did with Westminster, Buckingham Palace and 10 Downing Street?

//

Checking facts, I see that Number 10 was rebuilt and restored to the tune of 3 million pounds. Probably the other structures are also expensive to maintain, given their age, but probably cheaper than building a new structures.

42 chadu  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:50:10pm

Nothingburger.

43 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:52:18pm

The horse.

Great American Bronze Works was highly honored when Ambassador Robert D. Nesen gave "The Bronco Buster" to President Ronald Reagan as a gift for his Western Presidential Office located in the mountains of Santa Barbara, Ca.

44 freetoken  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:54:01pm

re: #41 wheat-dogghazi

Oh, like the Brits did with Westminster, Buckingham Palace and 10 Downing Street?

Buckingham Palace was acquired by none other than George III, the same King from which we rebelled.

So yes, let the Brits be tied to the past.

We should look to the future, and build physical structures for our institutions that look to the future and embody the New World.

45 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:56:48pm

Bronze, not this guy the metal, got a write up in Architectural Record for being a great sustainable metal for architectural hardware.

46 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 8:58:40pm
47 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:00:18pm

re: #44 freetoken

I get your point, but respectfully disagree. The White House, the Capitol Building, etc., are as much a monument to American history as the Lincoln, Jefferson and Washington memorials/monuments are. Keeping them in use suggests a continuity of that history.

Besides, where would you put them?

48 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:05:53pm

Yep, I said that. ;D

49 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:05:59pm

re: #46 Gus

Image: ap_biden_carter_080823_ssh.jpg

They are, two wild and liberal guys. :D

50 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:06:36pm

re: #47 wheat-dogghazi

I get your point, but respectfully disagree. The White House, the Capitol Building, etc., are as much a monument to American history as the Lincoln, Jefferson and Washington memorials/monuments are. Keeping them in use suggests a continuity of that history.

Besides, where would you put them?

Agreed.

51 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:07:49pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

They are, two wild and liberal guys. :D

You know what's kind of funny? Carter is actually pretty conservative in many respects. Isn't he basically pro-life? He's very Christian we know that. In fact I put him as being the first post-modern Christian president before Reagan and the religious right.

52 mishuga  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:10:31pm

it's not so much the couch color as it is its upholstery. It looks like the kind of material that doesn't readily let goes of those sitters who are trying to get up.

53 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:11:08pm

re: #47 wheat-dogghazi

I get your point, but respectfully disagree. The White House, the Capitol Building, etc., are as much a monument to American history as the Lincoln, Jefferson and Washington memorials/monuments are. Keeping them in use suggests a continuity of that history.

Besides, where would you put them?

If it ain't broke...

54 freetoken  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:12:25pm

re: #53 Gus

If it ain't broke...

It is broke.

55 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:13:41pm

re: #54 freetoken

It is broke.

Then the plenary session of the rebuildment of the White House grounds shall commence at once! ;) Now we'll need a super star architect and a 500 billion dollar budget.

56 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:13:50pm

re: #55 Gus

Then the plenary session of the rebuildment of the White House ground shall commence at once! ;) Now we'll need a super star architect and a 500 billion dollar budget.

//

57 freetoken  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:15:02pm

re: #47 wheat-dogghazi

Besides, where would you put them?

I said nothing about the Capitol building.

Next to the WH is the current executive office building, which has been remodeled before. And, as I pointed out before, the Naval Observatory grounds, which as the traditional VP residence, could be the new Presidential residence grounds.

58 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:17:24pm

re: #54 freetoken

It is broke.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree intensely.

59 jaunte  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:17:41pm

Man in business suit robs Fort Bend bank

Wow, it took them until today to notice. Hey Crime Stoppers, it happened to all the banks.

60 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:20:28pm

re: #57 freetoken

I said nothing about the Capitol building.

Next to the WH is the current executive office building, which has been remodeled before. And, as I pointed out before, the Naval Observatory grounds, which as the traditional VP residence, could be the new Presidential residence grounds.

I'm pretty certain it could be made LEEDS certified as it is. If not pretty close. The CO2 output of a new building would far exceed it's current use and footprint.

61 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:38:52pm

Got a bunch of retweets on this.

If I was young I'd learn the Arab language.

62 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:39:07pm

The Breitbart-Kimberlain War reached the "Diary of Dorkus" last night and the trolls spent much of the night spewing at each other. It was quite interesting reading the words of the haters as they went after each other.

Watching the people who hate you tear into eahc other while you sit back and watch it on the Internet: That's Entertainment!

63 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:40:18pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

The Breitbart-Kimberlain War reached the "Diary of Dorkus" last night and the trolls spent much of the night spewing at each other. It was quite interesting reading the words of the haters as they went after each other.

Watching the people who hate you tear into eahc other while you sit back and watch it on the Internet: That's Entertainment!

Blargh. I've stayed out of the crap on the left side too. Really weird shit. No fly zone. Keep out! Return to sender.

65 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:44:30pm

re: #63 Gus

Blargh. I've stayed out of the crap on the left side too. Really weird shit. No fly zone. Keep out! Return to sender.

I'm not going to post on their site, but I always find it funny when haters turn on each other.

66 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:45:55pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

I'm not going to post on their site, but I always find it funny when haters turn on each other.

I have no idea what they've been doing. No one bugs me on Twitter.

67 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:47:18pm

re: #54 freetoken

What's broke about it?

I know you didn't mention the Capitol Bldg. I was offering it as a structure with similar meaning and age to the WH. I mean, if you're going to replace the WH as a workplace and residence, why not go all out and move Congress to a sleek, new building where they can continue to do absolutely nothing worthwhile?

68 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:48:44pm

I'm fading fast. Good Night, all.

70 dragonath  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 9:58:28pm

As long as we're redesigning Washington, I'd like to see more fun house mirrors in Michelle Bachmann's office, a couple of statues of Barack the First, and a remodel of the Heritage Foundation into a gladiatorial arena.

71 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:10:40pm

re: #70 dragonath

As long as we're redesigning Washington, I'd like to see more fun house mirrors in Michelle Bachmann's office, a couple of statues of Barack the First, and a remodel of the Heritage Foundation into a gladiatorial arena.

Image: Clinton_Monument.jpg

72 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:15:31pm

The American Capitalistic Economic Power engine that is Christmas is roaring to life! I'm feeling, oh, at least 3.5% growth. The month that is finally in the black, DECEMBER!

73 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:16:33pm

Sigh...Catholics over at CNS are getting themselves all worked up and demanding that Nancy Pelosi be excommunicated because she is supporting birth control coverage at the churches secular businesses. I know it is hopeless but I did a quick drive by post anyway...

So much hoopla over something that isn't really an issue to begin with if you stop and think about it.

Employee health insurance benefits are compensation, they are part of your pay. If your employer offers them then they are doing so to try to attract better and higher skilled workers than someone who does not. The Catholic Church says they should not be forced to pay for insurance that includes contraception at the many businesses they run, but that isn't really what is happening here.

That is the employees money, it is a part of their compensation, it does not belong to the Church. If they did not receive health insurance benefits then they would expect a larger paycheck instead to be able to buy their own health insurance.

Does the Church tell their non-catholic employees that they are not allowed to spend any of the money they are paid on condoms or birth control pills? Of course not, because it is the employees choice how to spend any money they have earned. If they use it for something the Church sees as a sin then that is a sin that is on the head of the employee alone, not the Church.

So since the money spent on health insurance is also the employees money why is it that the Church believes it has the right to tell them how it can be spent? Imaging if your own employer was a Muslim and told you that you could only get all of your paycheck if you agreed not to buy any pork with it?

This does not apply to employees of the Churches religious organizations, those are still exempt, they are only required to include birth control coverage at the secular businesses they run. There is no loss of Religious freedom here, the Church is not being made to spend their money on birth control, that money belongs to the employees!

74 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:17:49pm

re: #73 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Sigh...Catholics over at CNS are getting themselves all worked up and demanding that Nancy Pelosi be excommunicated because she is supporting birth control coverage at the churches secular businesses. I know it is hopeless but I did a quick drive by post anyway...

Again?

75 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:22:40pm

re: #74 Gus

Again?

From today, well yesterday here really...

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who is Catholic, indicated on Friday that she supports forcing St. Mary’s Medical Center, a Catholic hospital in her San Francisco-based congressional district, to provide health plans to its workers that cover sterilizations, contraceptives and abortion-inducing drugs free of charge even though the Catholic faith says the hospital may not to [sic] so because these things are intrinsically immoral.

76 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:24:56pm

re: #75 watching you tiny alien kittens are

From today, well yesterday here really...

Interesting. "May not to so."

77 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:27:09pm

re: #76 Gus

Interesting. "May not to so."

I just added a [sic]... :D

78 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:41:16pm
79 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:47:34pm

re: #78 Gus

Image: 121127_clinton_mccain_605.jpg

Nice picture, they actually look "cute" together when they are smirking at the little people.

/

80 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:49:30pm

The sore losers are still whining, still angry, America is still doomed, and it is all the fault of Blacks, Hispanics, and Sluts... /

The Democrats achieved a major long term goal in November, one that they have worked on for over 40 years: dumbing down the population (complements of the teacher's unions), along with the assistance of the vast quantities of communist professors in our colleges.

You see, if the average American voter's intelligence was that of what it was even 20 years ago, there would be NO WAY that Obama would be in office, let alone re-elected (whatever THAT means nowadays). There is NO WAY that the Democrats would get away with a third of the corrupt anti-American stuff that they're freely doing now, and laughing in America's face as they do it.

But now - we truly have a Nation of Idiots....

- Blacks that only vote on the basis of color and Da Free Ride, and a chance to 'stick it to da man', ala OJ Simpson murder trial verdict style.

- We have a vast quantity of Hispanics that really don't know or care about America, but as long as their illegal relatives can stay, that our southern border door is jammed open, and their invading families get the Ultimate Free Ride in the form of the Democrat-supported Dream Act, hey, yo quero, hombre!!!!! La Raza will RULE this country, you stupid gringos!

- Finally, we have a huge amount of young white single liberal slutpuppies that are programmed to feel guilty that they're white, that care only about their personal Right to Kill their unborn inconvenient children, OMG who is texting me now, and the ability to be a causal semen recepticle for the next cute guy in their college class when and how they choose....

Put all of these groups all together, and there isn't enough collective, objective intelligence to light the average home.

And we wonder how Obama got re-elected, and the Democrats still hold most of the power...

I wonder now if it'll ever change, but this country won't be around long enough for another presidential election. - America is dead - RIP

Wanna talk about a massive case of butthurt?...
(comment section is very enlightening, the racist flags are flying proud, but where are the moderators at?)

81 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:51:08pm

re: #80 watching you tiny alien kittens are

The sore losers are still whining, still angry, America is still doomed, and it is all the fault of Blacks, Hispanics, and Sluts... /

Wanna talk about a massive case of butthurt?...
(comment section is very enlightening, the racist flags are flying proud, but where are the moderators at?)

"Slutpuppies." Classy. Bitter.

82 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:52:36pm

BBIAB

83 Gus  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:57:07pm

Knight. Oops. Night.

84 freetoken  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 11:00:58pm

re: #67 wheat-dogghazi

What's broke about it?

"It" being our institutions of governance, I'd say there is quite a bit.

As for the executive office, other than some over reach of powers (which would likely take clarifications of the Constitution to fix), I think most of inadequacies surrounding the institution are in just making it more efficient. And, not having a Regent or aristocracy we've turned the Institution of the Presidency into the replacement ceremonial head office - one reason I wish to abandon the current WH as the Office and move the President into a office-like Office is to remove the air of landed gentry/Baron from the the whole scene.

The real problem is Congress, namely, that it is becoming less "representative". The numbers of Representatives has not increased even though population has, and now each Congressman has a district so large there is no way he/she can really be in touch with all that goes on in the district. Plus some Americans, such as those who live in DC, are still being taxed without full representation, in contradiction to our own proclaimed beliefs, and this can be extended to our "territories" and their powerless tokens in Congress.

The Senate is obsolete and anti-democratic.

The Judicial branch likewise hasn't expanded the USSC, though the case loads are much larger and as administrators of the Federal system the Supremes have to manage the growing system. If we weren't so inclined to try and imprison such a large share of our population perhaps the Federal courts wouldn't be so overwhelmed, but Americans it appears do like to send people off to prison.

Nostalgia and sentimentalism are chains.

85 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 11:19:15pm

re: #84 freetoken

Well, your suggestion to move the president out of the WH into a new office building ain't gonna do any of that.

What you want will require several amendments to the Constitution, plus some laws to limit corporate influence on Congress and reduce the number of drug offense cases that end up with imprisonment.

You can dream, anyway.

86 freetoken  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 11:20:24pm

re: #72 prairiefire

The American Capitalistic Economic Power engine that is Christmas is roaring to life! I'm feeling, oh, at least 3.5% growth. The month that is finally in the black, DECEMBER!

Three cheers for Christmas!

87 freetoken  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 11:20:25pm

re: #72 prairiefire

The American Capitalistic Economic Power engine that is Christmas is roaring to life! I'm feeling, oh, at least 3.5% growth. The month that is finally in the black, DECEMBER!

Three cheers for Christmas!

88 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 11:39:20pm

re: #87 freetoken

Do it one more time and then it will be three cheers.

89 SteveMcG  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 11:43:45pm

That's the first time I ever saw a double post on LGF!

90 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 12:01:05am

I cannot imagine having the amount of smug arrogance this takes...

Tsazar:

I'm afraid you are gravely mistaken. I was born homosexual, it is a fact of life, and there is nothing that can be done to change this. I would never have chosen this for myself, being raised in the Catholic faith and loving my church. But I'm glad for it, because otherwise I would never have known the truth. This is not an "issue" to be debated in society, it is simply a fact of life.

Schmenz:

My dear friend,

No, you were not born that way, any more than one is born a bank robber, a murderer or an abuser of animals. You have, sadly, chosen this. No one is born with unnatural instincts; quite the contrary. Whatever combination of circumstances in your life caused you to take this fatal step, I know not. But I do know that no one is born with a manner of living which will bring them horrendous venereal diseases (not to mention hepatitus-B).

There is hope for you but, like the alcoholic, you must take the first steps to overcome this. You can do it, no doubt about it. The number of times I have fallen into sin, and had to pick up and start over again, are more than I can count. But we Catholics have the Sacrament of Confession. If you are not of the Faith I would strongly urge you to study the claims made by the Catholic Church that they are, indeed, the one, true Church founded by Christ while He walked on earth.

A difficult road? Yes. But it is a road that is available to you.

I simply cannot believe that one person could just flatly deny another persons own experience like that. How does someone even become that pompous, that conceited, that lacking in empathy?

91 Kragar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 12:23:55am

re: #90 watching you tiny alien kittens are

My dear friend,

You were not born Catholic, any more than one is born a bank robber, a murderer or an abuser of animals. You have, sadly, chosen this.

92 Kragar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 12:32:15am
93 researchok  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 1:00:44am

Morning, all

94 researchok  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 1:06:28am

re: #87 freetoken

Talk about the old days. Different time, different place.

Fair to say, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times", to borrow a phrase.

95 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 1:20:26am

re: #90 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Schmenz is a schmuck.

96 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 1:22:40am

re: #90 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I cannot imagine having the amount of smug arrogance this takes...

Tsazar:

Schmenz:

I simply cannot believe that one person could just flatly deny another persons own experience like that. How does someone even become that pompous, that conceited, that lacking in empathy?

There is no such thing as consensual burglary. Or consensual bestiality. Or consensual child abuse.

But to the fundamentalists, homosexuality is the equivalent to crime, bestiality or child abuse because they are all seen as abdominations unto the Lord and should be forbidden by law.

And by the way, there is such a thing as consensual assault, we call it "NHL hockey".

97 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 1:35:24am

Something to think about...

So a 24 year old man has a thirteen year old girl stay overnight at his house, gives her alcoholic drinks and then has sex with her.

Of course practically everyone is unanimous that he should go to prison, be declared a pedophile, and put on a sex offender registry for the rest of his life. In this society that is seen as the correct way to deal with sex offenses against children.

But what if the girl said that she actually enjoyed it? That it was a kind of "healing experience" and had taught her about her sexuality? What if she said "If this was a rape, then it was a good rape?"

It does not matter, a 13 year old cannot give informed consent, especially if she is drunk. The court would pay no attention to the wishes of the child and correctly prosecute the man for statutory rape of a minor.

But what if it was a 24 year old woman who did this and not a man? Does that somehow change things, make her actions allowable?

You probably think that the woman should be treated just like the man, that she should also be charged, right? Well no, there you would be wrong, very, very wrong.

In fact this act by the woman and those words by the child would instead go on to become part of a play that celebrates the sexuality of women. One that is performed on college campuses across the country. One that ironically is now performed in conjunction with "V-Day" violence against women (including rape) day and "Take Back the Night" campus rape awareness activities at several schools as a fund raiser.

While it is true that this story is only one out of the dozens of stories told during the play as it's defenders quickly point out, does that excuse the double standard and hypocrisy? Some schools have now altered the play to make the age of the child 16 instead of 13 as if that alone alleviates any problems with its content...sigh.

The name of the play is The Vagina Monologues that first opened off broadway in 1996 and has been being performed around the country ever since. HBO has even made a version (minus the 13 year old of course) of it for television.

The more you know...

98 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 1:40:24am

And if it were not a woman but a priest, and if the hierarchy knew about such actions and systematically covered them up?

Gosh, maybe it's better if we don't know...

/

99 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 1:50:46am

re: #98 Sol Berdinowitz

And if it were not a woman but a priest, and if the hierarchy knew about such actions and systematically covered them up?

Gosh, maybe it's better if we don't know...

/

If we didn't know they would still be doing it, so there is that to consider...

100 freetoken  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 1:55:54am

re: #88 prairiefire

Do it one more time and then it will be three cheers.

You tempt me...

Yet, I offer you this - Chet Baker:

101 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 2:14:51am

re: #98 Sol Berdinowitz

Also there is the sad story of Robert Swope who because of complaints by the Women's Studies Department was censored and fired by the college newspaper for writing about this play.

(Our guest writer, Robert Swope, is a junior at Georgetown University. This article was censored, and he was subsequently fired, by his editors at The Hoya.)

"Your vagina, untouched by man, smells so nice, so fresh, wish I could keep it that way forever." Thus spoke the 24-year-old woman before she statutorily raped a 13-year-old girl in Eve Ensler's play, The Vagina Monologues, which thanks to the New Press (and your tuition dollars), was performed last month in Bulldog Alley on the Georgetown University campus.

The older woman, who immediately before making this rather, shall we say... illegal observation, had given a vodka and orange juice to the young girl who was spending the night at her house. The girl's mother for some foolish reason admired this woman and hoped that her daughter would benefit from the two spending some time together. When she later calls to check up on her child, worrying of all things, about boys, the woman tells her to "Trust me, there's [sic] no boys around here." Wink-wink.

After getting drunk on the older woman's booze, the 13-year-old then tells the audience how "She gently and slowly lays me out on the bed and just our bodies rubbing together makes me come [sic]. Then she does everything to me and my coochi snorcher [vagina] that I had always thought was nasty before, and wow." When it's all over, the little girl concludes that thanks to the experience, "I'll never need to rely on a man."...

Nope no problems here, carry on students...
(this was years ago BTW)

102 engineer cat  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 2:17:13am

re: #72 prairiefire

The American Capitalistic Economic Power engine that is Christmas is roaring to life! I'm feeling, oh, at least 3.5% growth. The month that is finally in the black, DECEMBER!

you're dreaming of a black christmas?

103 freetoken  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 2:36:24am

re: #102 engineer cat

you're dreaming of a black christmas?

Several recordings of that. Here is one:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

104 freetoken  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 2:38:28am
105 freetoken  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 2:40:53am

That wasn't the song I was thinking of... oh well.

106 engineer cat  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 2:41:26am

re: #103 freetoken

Several recordings of that. Here is one:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

huh!

107 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 2:46:05am

Morning, my fellow lizards.

108 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 2:55:50am

re: #107 Targetpractice

Good morning.

109 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 2:56:33am

re: #107 Targetpractice

Morning, my fellow lizards.

Good morning. Some ominous news for Freetoken, though. Seems that we may be headed for another international incident in the Middle East.

110 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:00:12am

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Good morning. Some ominous news for Freetoken, though. Seems that we may be headed for another international incident in the Middle East.

Yegods.

111 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:05:21am

A very interesting pic a friend sent me;
Image: ImperialWall.jpg

112 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:06:56am

re: #111 Varek Raith

A very interesting pic a friend sent me;
Image: ImperialWall.jpg

Here's one I found the other day:

Image: whovrvader5212012.jpg

113 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:08:55am

Girls star Jemima Kirke gives birth to baby boy 'Memphis'

It's better than "Bronx Mowgli", but not by all that much.

114 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:13:34am

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Girls star Jemima Kirke gives birth to baby boy 'Memphis'

It's better than "Bronx Mowgli", but not by all that much.

I have no idea what "Girls" is, much less who Jemima Kirke is, maybe I'll get lucky and things will stay that way.

/

115 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:20:24am

re: #114 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I have no idea what "Girls" is, much less who Jemima Kirke is, maybe I'll get lucky and things will stay that way.

/

I don't watch the show, I just like making fun of goofy celebrity baby names.

116 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:23:01am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

I don't watch the show, I just like making fun of goofy celebrity baby names.

Moonunits and Dweezil are two of my favorite odd ones.

117 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:29:19am

re: #116 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Moonunits and Dweezil are two of my favorite odd ones.

Dweezil is a Zappa. Any relation to Frank?

118 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:32:20am

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Moonunits is his daughter and Dweezil is his son, so yes they are both Frank's kids.

119 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:34:45am

re: #118 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Moonunits is his daughter and Dweezil is his son, so yes they are both Frank's kids.

Weird guy, wasn't he?

120 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:39:02am

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

Weird guy, wasn't he?

Sure was, Falconunits.

121 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:39:33am

Meanwhile over at Stormfront someone came up with a new batch of color photos from late 1930s Germany (from the Norwegian national archives) and everyone is crying into their beers over how beautiful and orderly and white everything was.

I will leave the rest of what they are saying to your imagination.

Racist Sleazebags :(

122 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:44:11am

re: #99 watching you tiny alien kittens are

If we didn't know they would still be doing it, so there is that to consider...

You think they have stopped or have they just grown better at covering it up?

123 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:45:16am

re: #121 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Meanwhile over at Stormfront someone came up with a new batch of color photos from late 1930s Germany (from the Norwegian national archives) and everyone is crying into their beers over how beautiful and orderly and white everything was.

I will leave the rest of what they are saying to your imagination.

Racist Sleazebags :(

If you wanted to be mean, you could email them photos of German cities after 8th Air Force and RAF Bomber Command got done pounding them with the caption "This is what Germany got for following Hitler."

124 Joanne  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:53:55am

re: #72 prairiefire

The American Capitalistic Economic Power engine that is Christmas is roaring to life! I'm feeling, oh, at least 3.5% growth. The month that is finally in the black, DECEMBER!

I'm wondering how much the Fiscal Cliff talk is off putting people's holiday spending...and whether that's the GOPs desired outcome of dicking around with this whole thing.

125 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 3:54:26am

re: #122 Sol Berdinowitz

You think they have stopped or have they just grown better at covering it up?

I definitely would not go so far as to state that there is no and will be no molestation of children by a priest. But I think that at least for now the systemic abuse has been stopped and the Church leadership is on notice that it will not be allowed to occur anymore.

Also the Church was badly financially hurt by the settlements, I think they see it is in their own best interest now not to try to cover it up anymore. The big payouts and international media coverage has also let the victims know that they can win against the Church.

If I was a Priest there is no way I would even ever allow myself to be in a room alone with a child at this point, I would be too scared of a false accusation by someone looking for money.

126 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:14:22am

It never fails to amuse me that, if Obama steps so much as one foot off 1600 Pennsylvania, the wingnuts freak the fuck out. "How can he leave during a crisis? We need a leader!!!"

127 Henchman 25  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:20:20am

re: #126 Targetpractice

It never fails to amuse me that, if Obama steps so much as one foot off 1600 Pennsylvania no matter what Obama does, the wingnuts freak the fuck out.

FTFY

128 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:22:22am

re: #125 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Sad that it took expensive lawsuits and threats of beins slapped with a RICO suit to get them to change their long-standing policy.

129 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:23:09am

re: #127 Henchman 25

FTFY

Good point. Apparently the latest cause for screaming fits is that Obama's going on vacation to Hawaii for the last few weeks of December. Apparently the idea that a president can do his job while outside the confines of the White House is a new one.

130 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:23:43am

re: #128 Sol Berdinowitz

Sad that it took expensive lawsuits and threats of beins slapped with a RICO suit to get them to change their long-standing policy.

That kind of systematic failure is something no one wants to admit. So i understand why the Catholic Church stonewalled, but I deplore their having done so.

131 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:24:09am

re: #129 Targetpractice

Good point. Apparently the latest cause for screaming fits is that Obama's going on vacation to Hawaii for the last few weeks of December. Apparently the idea that a president can do his job while outside the confines of the White House is a new one.

They yell about this one every year.

132 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:24:19am

re: #125 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I definitely would not go so far as to state that there is no and will be no molestation of children by a priest. But I think that at least for now the systemic abuse has been stopped and the Church leadership is on notice that it will not be allowed to occur anymore.

Maybe, if one doesn't count as systemic abuse telling young gay parishioners that their sexual orientation is a sinful affront to God, something to repress and be utterly ashamed of. I'm pretty sure that worldwide the Church is still fucking up the heads of countless kids, doing an amazing amount of psychic damage and fostering the kinds of sociological conditions that incubate active discrimination and violence.

133 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:25:16am

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

They yell about this one every year.

Yeah, but this year they really mean it, because a President going on vacation to Hawaii as the nation's plunging over the fiscal cliff is a crisis of Biblical proportions!!

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:25:49am

Morning Honcos.

135 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:26:01am

re: #133 Targetpractice

Yeah, but this year they really mean it, because a President going on vacation to Hawaii as the nation's plunging over the fiscal cliff is a crisis of Biblical proportions!!

Going on an extended vacation to a ranch in Texas doesn't count, Texas is still part of America.

/

136 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:26:46am

re: #135 Sol Berdinowitz

Going on an extended vacation to a ranch in Texas doesn't count, Texas is still part of America.

/

He owns that ranch, so it's just him going home! But Obama's going on the taxpayer dime!!!!

137 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:27:10am

re: #135 Sol Berdinowitz

Going on an extended vacation to a ranch in Texas doesn't count, Texas is still part of America.

/

It was called "The Western White House" you fool!!!
///

138 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:30:06am

Fiscal Cliff. Brought to you by PBS.
[Link: video.pbs.org...]

139 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:33:07am

All we seem to know is that the FC is a bad thing that will wreck our economy, and that it was brought about by (insert name of party you did not vote for)

140 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:33:35am

re: #118 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Moonunits is his daughter and Dweezil is his son, so yes they are both Frank's kids.

Didn't he also have another son named Almond?

141 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:34:31am

Moon Unit, Akhmet and Dweezle, yes...

142 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:35:13am

re: #141 Sol Berdinowitz

Moon Unit, Akhmet and Dweezle, yes...

I knew it was something like that. Thanks.

143 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:36:27am

re: #129 Targetpractice

Good point. Apparently the latest cause for screaming fits is that Obama's going on vacation to Hawaii for the last few weeks of December. Apparently the idea that a president can do his job while outside the confines of the White House is a new one.

The Prez is in a position to play hardball with the GOP. Tickets to far shores is part of the shtick. If they don't fold he gives up his kids' Christmas to save us all from Physical Cliff.

(If I were in a WH with a nice theatre, I'd invite Romney to view the porno-flick of my mother that his minions mailed out by the million. Obama is a better man than I.)

144 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:38:57am

re: #141 Sol Berdinowitz

Moon Unit, Akhmet and Dweezle, yes...

Don't forget Diva.

145 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:40:16am

re: #138 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fiscal Cliff. Brought to you by PBS.
[Link: video.pbs.org...]

Bookmarked for later, thanks.

146 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:42:38am

Quick shout out to my high skool's football team. They won their regional finals last night. But it was close. 51-0. Whew!!!

147 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:43:56am

re: #145 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Bookmarked for later, thanks.

Not having a TV, I really love PBS, especially Frontline.

148 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:44:36am

re: #146 Cannadian Club Akbar

Quick shout out to my high skool's football team. They won their regional finals last night. But it was close. 51-0. Whew!!!

51-0 is an utterly one sided massacre. That happens sometimes in high school games, or when the New England Patriots play a weak team.

149 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:45:24am

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

51-0 is an utterly one sided massacre. That happens sometimes in high school games, or when the New England Patriots play a weak team.

Iron Bowl.

150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:46:01am

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

51-0 is an utterly one sided massacre. That happens sometimes in high school games, or when the New England Patriots play a weak team.

They won state last year and in the championship game gave up only 117 yards on defense. This year they are even better.

151 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:46:23am

re: #149 Decatur Deb

Iron Bowl.

Ceramic Bowl.

152 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:46:52am

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

Ceramic Bowl.

Toilet Bowl.

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:47:06am

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

Ceramic Bowl.

Cereal Bowl.
(this game is fun!!!)

154 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:47:29am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

Cereal Bowl.
(this game is fun!!!)

Dust Bowl.

155 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:47:34am

Smoke a bowl!!!

156 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:48:37am

re: #154 Targetpractice

Dust Bowl.

Dust Bowl Days, 10,000 Maniacs.

157 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:49:27am

re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dust Bowl Days, 10,000 Maniacs.

[Embedded content]

BTW, incredible song, incredible video.

158 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:49:32am

re: #154 Targetpractice

Dust Bowl.

Rice Bowl.

159 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:50:47am

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Rice Bowl.

Super Bowl.

160 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:51:25am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

Cereal Bowl.
(this game is fun!!!)

Orange Bawl.

[Link: t0.gstatic.com...]

161 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:51:33am

re: #159 Targetpractice

Super Bowl.

You can't say that. I'm calling Roger Goodell.
/

162 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:52:42am

Salad Bowl.

163 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:52:43am

re: #160 Decatur Deb

Orange Bawl.

[Link: t0.gstatic.com...]

Orange Bowl.
Image: orange-bowl-miami-florida.jpg

164 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:53:10am

re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar

Orange Bowl.
Image: orange-bowl-miami-florida.jpg

Rose Bowl.

165 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:53:20am

Tidy Bowl!!!!

166 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:54:27am
167 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:55:02am

23 seconds of WTF?


Why would you have those fake ass things put in to start with?

168 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:55:23am

Heh. This works. Santa Bowl.
Image: Fancy-Toilet-Seat-Covers-1.jpg

169 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:55:27am
170 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:55:30am

re: #166 Cannadian Club Akbar

This bowl.
Image: fancy_toilet_2.jpg

I'd actually feel guilty sitting on something like that.

171 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:55:36am

re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tidy Bowl!!!!

Pasta bowl

172 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:57:03am

re: #167 watching you tiny alien kittens are

If you ever do that to me again, I will kill you.
/half

173 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:58:53am

So are those fakeass things
or fake ass things

Heh, works either way. :p

174 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:58:55am

re: #167 watching you tiny alien kittens are

23 seconds of WTF?

[Embedded content]


Why would you have those fake ass things put in to start with?

BRAIN BLEACH, I NEED BRAIN BLEACH STAT!!

175 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:59:19am

re: #172 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you ever do that to me again, I will kill you.
/half

talk about serious butt-hurt...

176 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:01:05am

going from bowls to butts. A natural transition.
/

177 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:02:36am

My brother post pics on FB titled boobs, butts and something. I deleted his post, of those, from my timeline. I do have a reputation to uphold after all.:)

178 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:05:18am

I smell a lawsuit after watching that...I don't think butt implants are supposed to do that.

179 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:07:39am
180 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:09:56am

Last one. I promise. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Image: 498492252474147814_7gvePxRW_c.jpg

181 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:13:18am

re: #180 Cannadian Club Akbar

Last one. I promise. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Image: 498492252474147814_7gvePxRW_c.jpg

"Want me to go on the paper, huh? Well, how 'bout I go on this instead?"

182 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:13:22am

re: #180 Cannadian Club Akbar

Last one. I promise. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Image: 498492252474147814_7gvePxRW_c.jpg

Cute little Jack Russell Terrier.

183 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:21:46am

Sex battery investigation leads to discovery of bombs and video depicting sexual assault
When the woman tried to leave, Aguilar grabbed her hair and forced her into his bedroom, deputies said. There, he beat her, pointed a handgun at her, threatened to kill her and bound her at the wrists with disposable handcuffs. He later cut off the cuffs and forced the woman to perform sex acts, deputies said.

A subsequent investigation led to the execution of a search warrant Monday at Aguilar's home. Inside, deputies found five homemade bombs in an office, authorities said. The Sheriff's Office bomb squad examined the devices and found they could be ignited with a fuse.

As the search continued, deputies found several digital memory cards, one of which held a video depicting Aguilar choking and beating another woman, authorities said. He is later shown shocking the woman multiple times with a Taser before forcing her to have sex with him at gunpoint, they said.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
What. The. Fuck.

184 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:25:17am

re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sex battery investigation leads to discovery of bombs and video depicting sexual assault
When the woman tried to leave, Aguilar grabbed her hair and forced her into his bedroom, deputies said. There, he beat her, pointed a handgun at her, threatened to kill her and bound her at the wrists with disposable handcuffs. He later cut off the cuffs and forced the woman to perform sex acts, deputies said.

A subsequent investigation led to the execution of a search warrant Monday at Aguilar's home. Inside, deputies found five homemade bombs in an office, authorities said. The Sheriff's Office bomb squad examined the devices and found they could be ignited with a fuse.

As the search continued, deputies found several digital memory cards, one of which held a video depicting Aguilar choking and beating another woman, authorities said. He is later shown shocking the woman multiple times with a Taser before forcing her to have sex with him at gunpoint, they said.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
What. The. Fuck.

I hope this asshole gets life, and I'd let it be known on his cell block what he did to merit a life sentence. That would ensure an appropriate level of suffering.

185 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:27:19am

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

I hope this asshole gets life, and I'd let it be known on his cell block what he did to merit a life sentence. That would ensure an appropriate level of suffering.

If they plea him and drop the sex charges, iirc, he'll go to general population as opposed to "protective custody". But the others will know. They always know.

186 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:31:09am

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Good morning. Some ominous news for Freetoken, though. Seems that we may be headed for another international incident in the Middle East.

Hey DF, speaking of Kim Kardashian it seems like she might have a fake butt too. (nothing gross, no nudity, don't worry)

187 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:32:15am

Video shows naked man attacking Holiday 7-Eleven clerk
The video shows a man authorities say is Abraham Luna, 30, of Tarpon Springs, as he walks into the convenience store at 1324 U.S. 19 about 4:20 a.m. Tuesday, wearing no clothes. He runs in and attacks an employee from behind, punching and shoving him and knocking over a shelf.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Violence against shelving must stop NOW!!!
///also notice the time it happened

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:34:47am

re: #186 watching you tiny alien kittens are

She's nasty.

189 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:40:42am

I'm out of here for a while, see you lizards later. :)

190 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:47:27am

And may I just say this. There is a FB pic going around pissing and moaning about the cop who gave the homeless guy the boots. It basically says "The same guy who gave him the shoes is also the one keeping him homeless". Then they cry about not being recognized for all they do for people. All the cop did was give some guy boots. And someone caught it on their cell phone. What a bunch of fucking douchebag turds.

191 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:57:55am

re: #186 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Hey DF, speaking of Kim Kardashian it seems like she might have a fake butt too. (nothing gross, no nudity, don't worry)

[Embedded content]

She actually had her ass MRIed and filmed that being done to prove she hadn't had it surgically enhanced. So on that score, I'm willing to take her at her word that her ass is genuine.

192 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:00:48am

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

She actually had her ass MRIed and filmed that being done to prove she hadn't had it surgically enhanced. So on that score, I'm willing to take her at her word that her ass is genuine.

We need an ISO/ANSI certification process for genuine asses.

193 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:07:30am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

Ones that pass certification should get stamped.

194 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:07:50am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

We need an ISO/ANSI certification process for genuine asses.

Who do you think she is, Barack Obama?

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195 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:10:38am

re: #84 freetoken

"It" being our institutions of governance, I'd say there is quite a bit.

As for the executive office, other than some over reach of powers (which would likely take clarifications of the Constitution to fix), I think most of inadequacies surrounding the institution are in just making it more efficient. And, not having a Regent or aristocracy we've turned the Institution of the Presidency into the replacement ceremonial head office - one reason I wish to abandon the current WH as the Office and move the President into a office-like Office is to remove the air of landed gentry/Baron from the the whole scene.

The real problem is Congress, namely, that it is becoming less "representative". The numbers of Representatives has not increased even though population has, and now each Congressman has a district so large there is no way he/she can really be in touch with all that goes on in the district. Plus some Americans, such as those who live in DC, are still being taxed without full representation, in contradiction to our own proclaimed beliefs, and this can be extended to our "territories" and their powerless tokens in Congress.

The Senate is obsolete and anti-democratic.

The Judicial branch likewise hasn't expanded the USSC, though the case loads are much larger and as administrators of the Federal system the Supremes have to manage the growing system. If we weren't so inclined to try and imprison such a large share of our population perhaps the Federal courts wouldn't be so overwhelmed, but Americans it appears do like to send people off to prison.

Nostalgia and sentimentalism are chains.

After the next hurricane devastates NYC again we can just wall it off, declare it the sole Federal prison and throw everyone in there and concentrate on guarding the perimeter. That should solve all our problems...
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196 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:11:17am

re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar
What. The. Fuck.

Florida.

197 Flounder  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:13:15am

re: #167 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I need those for my knees.

198 Flounder  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:16:51am

re: #195 Feline Fearless Leader

Somebody already did a movie on that (NYC as a prison anyway), in 1981.
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

199 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:18:41am

re: #198 Flounder

Somebody already did a movie on that (NYC as a prison anyway), in 1981.
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

He knows, that's part of the gag.

200 Flounder  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:19:43am

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

Does he know, does he really know ?!

/

201 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:21:22am

re: #200 Flounder

Does he know, does he really know ?!

/

Yes. Though it also means that we need to rebuild the WTC (or at least one of the towers) to provide a glider landing platform.

202 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:22:14am

Gaming the Fiscal Cliff
Politics, profit, and pageantry

By Kevin D. Williamson

The so-called fiscal cliff is one installment in a series of manufactured crises, the purpose of which is to provide the political establishment with small problems it can solve or pretend to solve while steadfastly refusing to address the much thornier problem of the long-term non-sustainability of U.S. public finances. Watching the melodrama unfold, I sometimes think I should be reviewing it in my theater column over at The New Criterion rather than analyzing it for National Review.

The fundamental unseriousness of the fiscal-cliff debate can be appreciated by examining the Corker plan (as my colleague Dan Foster does here), which probably is very close to the best that deficit hawks could hope for in terms of a bipartisan compromise — which is to say, precious little. At best, the Corker plan would reduce the growth of U.S. federal debt by about $4.5 trillion over the next decade, but it would not eliminate the deficit or reduce the debt, and it would allow for trillions of dollars to be added to the wrong side of the national ledger.

The Democrats give every indication of being interested in using fiscal-cliff hysteria to achieve nothing but a modest, almost symbolic increase in federal income-tax rates for taxpayers earning $250,000 or more, which would do very little to reduce the deficit but would confer a measure of emotional satisfaction on the Left. A fair number of small-business owners, managers, and professionals would see their taxes go up, but the actual rich — the Wall Street types, CEOs, Silicon Valley princelings, etc. — would continue to have the bulk of their income taxed at the lower capital-gains rate. That rate will go up (from 15 percent to 20 percent) absent a fiscal-cliff deal, but the hedge-funders and such still will be paying a rate about half the top income-tax rate. President Obama wants that tax increase to happen, but only for taxpayers earning $250,000 or more.

203 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:41:05am

BBL

204 kirkspencer  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:43:31am

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

Gaming the Fiscal Cliff
Politics, profit, and pageantry

By Kevin D. Williamson

The fiscal cliff is easy to explain. It is the result of a refusal to generate revenues to pay for business running against an arbitrary debt limit. Eliminate the debt ceiling and it goes away. Return taxes to what they were under Clinton (if not Reagan) and it goes away.

If we want nice things we have to pay for them. We can pay now or we can pay later, but wailing at how much we are adding up for later while refusing to pay now is just stupid histrionics. Or in modern media terms a fiscal cliff.

205 Joanne  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:48:21am

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Good morning. Some ominous news for Freetoken, though. Seems that we may be headed for another international incident in the Middle East.

Maybe she could wear something a little lower cut. Her nipples aren't quite visible. She's such a moron.

206 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:02:49am

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

Why is the right wing so obsessed with conspiracy theories? Everything is a fucking conspiracy theory. The sunset of the temporary tax decrease is now part of a conspiracy story.

What a stupid fucking article. Dark, why are you promoting conspiracy theory?

207 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:09:01am

re: #206 Obdicut

The world is full of conspiracy. Especially the fuckwads engaged in a conspiracy to make every freaking event part of some sinister conspiracy.

208 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:17:45am

re: #207 Henchman Ghazi-808

The right-wing is seriously so far down the rabbit hole I have no idea how they're ever going to get back. They're more likely to wake up a Balrog than ever see the sun again.

In this case, it's an article pretending that the 'fiscal cliff'-- the increase of a taxes across the board and descreases in spending-- isn't a big deal, and is only serving as a stalking-horse to distract the gullible general public. But this brilliant NRO writer sees through this, to the real problem: the debt, oh god, the debt! We suddenly suddenly when Obama was elected really started caring about the debt so much that we have to try to repeat the mistakes of the Great Depression, especially of cutting spending right when the economy is climbing back out.

But fixing the debt is the biggest problem because they've declared it to be the biggest problem. There's no actual argument, just assertion-- it's fucking hysterical that he's claiming worrying about the fiscal cliff is paranoid insanity whereas gibbering fearmongering about the debt being the most critical fucking problem is apparently calm reason to him.

The right wing needs to stop believing in conspiracy theories and it needs to let go of the corpse of Ayn Rand. Cutting spending during a recession was fucking stupid. Cutting it right as we're climbing out-- also fucking stupid. And the massive increase in disparity of wealth between the wealthy and everyone-else is a much bigger threat to our society and country than the debt is-- and it's related. The Waltons make their money off the backs of people the US taxpayer subsidizes.

I'm so fucking tired of this bullshit. I don't want to have to devote hours and hours of my life every campaign season to fighting these whackjobs.

209 Lidane  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:40:25am

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

Gaming the Fiscal Cliff
Politics, profit, and pageantry

By Kevin D. Williamson

Why do you keep posting articles from NRO? They're a bunch of gibbering hacks that had to be forced to fire two white supremacist authors, and they peddle some of the most mind-numbing idiocy out there.

210 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:45:45am

Think the only fantasy more distracting than that of a angry, vengeful god "Debt" who must be appeased through a blood sacrifice consisting of the poor and elderly, is the one which says such a sacrifice will delight the wealthy and will convince them to start a new Golden Age, that they're looking for some mythical "sign" from the government before they will use their wealth for anything other than personal enrichment.

211 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:46:26am

ICYMI. Over at the Wall Street Journal:

Obama's Real Fiscal Problem
It isn't the Republicans.

Presidencies and Growth - El Chart

Notice something in the chart?

212 darthstar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:47:37am

Mornin' everyone.

213 darthstar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:48:04am

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

Gaming the Fiscal Cliff
Politics, profit, and pageantry

By Kevin D. Williamson

Sorry, Dark, but that turd don't float.

214 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:48:57am

re: #211 Gus

ICYMI. Over at the Wall Street Journal:

Obama's Real Fiscal Problem
It isn't the Republicans.

Presidencies and Growth - El Chart

Notice something in the chart?

Apparently the US economy didn't exist between the years of 2000 and 2009.

215 darthstar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:50:35am

re: #211 Gus

Presidencies and Growth - El Chart

Notice something in the chart?

Poppy Bush and the Shrub are missing. There's only St. Reagan(Allahu Ronald!), Clinton and Obama

216 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:50:54am

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

They yell about this one every year.

Lots used to squeal just as loud every time W went to his ranch. It's the nature of things these days.

217 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:51:33am

re: #215 darthstar

Poppy Bush and the Shrub are missing. There's only St. Reagan(Allahu Ronald!), Clinton and Obama

According the article, the chart's only about the last three two-term presidents before Obama. Except it doesn't show Dubya, just mentions in the article that his last term was "lackluster."

218 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:55:50am

re: #214 Targetpractice

Apparently the US economy didn't exist between the years of 2000 and 2009.

Here's the numbers from the World Bank:

2001: 1.1
2002: 1.8
2003: 2.6
2004: 3.5
2005: 3.1
2006: 2.7
2007: 1.9
2008: -0.4 (Financial Meltdown - Recession Begins)
2009: -3.5 (Recession Deepens)
2010: 3.0
2011: 1.7

219 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:56:49am

re: #218 Gus

Here's the numbers from the World Bank:

2001: 1.1
2002: 1.8
2003: 2.6
2004: 3.5
2005: 3.1
2006: 2.7
2007: 1.9
2008: -0.4 (Financial Meltdown - Recession Begins)
2009: -3.5 (Recession Deepens)
2010: 3.0
2011: 1.7

Interesting to note that 2010 was a pretty good year.

Then the GOP took the House.

220 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:59:57am

Ayep, notice that at no time during his 8 years did Dubya's GDP growth top 4%. By contrast, at no time during Clinton's years did GDP dip below 2.5%, despite raising taxes that supposedly would kill investment and economy growth. Though I hear wingnuts all the time who whine "But Dot.Com Bubble!", while ignoring that the Housing Bubble might the only thing that kept Dubya afloat.

221 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:02:15am

re: #218 Gus

Here's the numbers from the World Bank:

2001: 1.1
2002: 1.8
2003: 2.6
2004: 3.5
2005: 3.1
2006: 2.7
2007: 1.9
2008: -0.4 (Financial Meltdown - Recession Begins)
2009: -3.5 (Recession Deepens)
2010: 3.0
2011: 1.7

Graphed this.

Image: graph.jpg

222 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:02:53am

Notice the downward trajectory which begins in 2004.

223 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:05:00am

Where you can make some groovy graphs on the fly...

[Link: nces.ed.gov...]

224 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:07:21am

re: #222 Gus

Notice the downward trajectory which begins in 2004.

Yep, which rather nicely coincides not only with the metamorphosing of the Afghan and Iraq Wars into long occupations, but also the beginning of the Housing Bust. Both took a great deal money out of the economy, the former by taking funds that could have gone to items like infrastructure repair/improvement and sending it overseas for nation-building, the latter by getting people chained to houses they'd eventually not be able to sell once the housing market went bust.

225 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:10:45am

Can't stay but a Kansas City Chiefs player allegedly murdered his GF or wife and went back to their (KC Chiefs) practice facility and killed himself. Sad.

226 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:12:54am

re: #224 Targetpractice

Yep, which rather nicely coincides not only with the metamorphosing of the Afghan and Iraq Wars into long occupations, but also the beginning of the Housing Bust. Both took a great deal money out of the economy, the former by taking funds that could have gone to items like infrastructure repair/improvement and sending it overseas for nation-building, the latter by getting people chained to houses they'd eventually not be able to sell once the housing market went bust.

Yeah, it was effectively a bad war economy. This also included a massive ramp up into a security state.

227 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:15:58am

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can't stay but a Kansas City Chiefs player allegedly murdered his GF or wife and went back to their (KC Chiefs) practice facility and killed himself. Sad.

[Embedded content]

Jovan Belcher

228 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:18:04am

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #227 Gus

They just posted that on yahoo. Very sad. :(

229 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:18:49am

re: #227 Gus

Jovan Belcher

[Link: espn.go.com...]

230 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:20:11am

Dkos sure loves Bradley Manning
The Torture Techniques Used on Bradley Manning

231 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:22:40am

Morning all!

How is it so far?

232 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:23:51am

re: #231 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Not good. Some sports person killed himself :(

233 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:24:52am

Also on Dkos (on the front page):

An excellent article on GOP voter supression:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

A good article on domestic workers being paid less than minimum wage:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

And a pretty good, if unnecessary, article about how, yeah, Benghazi is just a cheap political tool for the GOP to use, and that's why they make no sense on it.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Killgore, if you spent more time looking at the actual front-page articles and not trying to cherrypick (when you're not just lying, as you did the other day when you claimed commenters on Dkos were talking about arming themselves against Romney-- that was a kind of bizarre act on your part) random things from the 'recent articles' list, you'd probably not have such a skewed view on 'the left'.

234 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:26:23am

re: #221 Gus

Graphed this.

Image: graph.jpg

very interesting

235 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:26:52am

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

Gaming the Fiscal Cliff
Politics, profit, and pageantry [Link to NRO removed]

By Kevin D. Williamson

Kevin D. Williamson is a deputy managing editor of National Review[1] and writes the "Exchequer" blog at National Review Online.[2]

He is the author of the 2011 book The Politically Incorrect Guide to Socialism.[3][4] Libertarian reviewer David Gordon criticizes the book, writing "Williamson lacks the ability to report facts accurately and his work contains preposterous errors."[5]]

...

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

BBL

From now on all links to NRO from you are considered trollery.

236 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:28:26am

re: #232 PhillyPretzel

Not good. Some sports person killed themselves. :(

Apparently in front of GM Scott Pioli and coach Romeo Crennel.

237 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:29:58am

re: #233 Obdicut

It's the same lady that represented John Walker Lindh. She's on the rec list all the time. This one will probably make it too. I don't go to Dkos for information, it's not a reliable site. But I do check to see what the community opinions are. The love for Bradley Manning is interesting to me.

238 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:30:55am

re: #208 Obdicut

I'm tired of the myth of the lazy welfare recipient.

If I had time, I do a study on the benefits available and chart them. Somehow the idea of a person getting a monthly check equal to a living wage for years on-end seems incorrect to me. I know there are housing subsidies, & food subsidies. SS, and Medicare are all "entitlements" we pay into.

I also have to wonder how many of these people are getting disability benefits from a former employer, but the Right-Wing whackos are counting it as welfare.

239 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:32:29am

re: #235 wrenchwench

Kevin D. Williamson is a deputy managing editor of National Review[1] and writes the "Exchequer" blog at National Review Online.[2]

He is the author of the 2011 book The Politically Incorrect Guide to Socialism.[3][4] Libertarian reviewer David Gordon criticizes the book, writing "Williamson lacks the ability to report facts accurately and his work contains preposterous errors."[5]]

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re: #203 Dark_Falcon

From now on all links to NRO from you are considered trollery.

Kevin D. Williamson...

National Review Goes Full Caveman: ‘Men Select Mates for Fertility, Women Select for Status’

Good times.

240 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:34:27am
241 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:35:17am

re: #226 Gus

Yeah, it was effectively a bad war economy. This also included a massive ramp up into a security state.

Indeed. The contrasts between Dem and Repub presidencies are pretty stark. Reagan presided over one of the largest, if not the largest, increases in the size of the federal government. His best years on that chart came during the last height of the Cold War, when US defense spending was ramped up for the purpose of spending the Soviets into the ground. Not shown on the chart is that his successor, supposedly serving "Reagan's Third Term," saw an economy in decline as Cold War spending got slashed and the thankless job of scaling back our military overreach began.

By contrast, Clinton saw strong growth ever year after '93, when he raised taxes to protests that doing so would kill the economy. And he oversaw the continuation of the military dismantling that Bush Sr. had began. The argument has been that such growth only came because of the Internet Boom, but even if you take that out of the equation, he still showed better growth every year than Dubya did even at the height of his presidency.

242 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:36:20am

re: #237 Killgore Trout

It's the same lady that represented John Walker Lindh. She's on the rec list all the time. This one will probably make it too. I don't go to Dkos for information, it's not a reliable site. But I do check to see what the community opinions are. The love for Bradley Manning is interesting to me.

Yes, thank you robot Killgore. Your obvious desire to miss the point has been noted yet again.

There are plenty of people on the left who have an overly large amount of sympathy for Bradley Manning, this is true. In terms of how important this is-- given that Manning is being prosecuted and charged under the Obama administration, obviously these left-wingers have zero input on national policy.

Dkos isn't 'reliable', but almost no one is. The factcheckers you tongue-bathe on a regular basis fuck up all the time. Dkos is avowedly partisan, holds it on their sleeve, and while I barely ever read them they look to be a perfectly good source of information as long as you realize that what's coming is from a left-wing perspective. But the article on voting rights is a perfectly good one.

Do you want to explain why you decided to lie about Dkos comments the other day to accuse another poster here of having violent fantasies? I'm not quite sure how this fits in; maybe the partisanship of DKos causes you such psychic distress that when reading it you seize up and start hallucinating moonbat comments that aren't there?

243 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:43:55am

re: #242 Obdicut

I've noticed a distinct characteristic of Conservatives to interpret many things by some non-existant code.

i.e:

- Women's Rights, Planned Parenthood, Contraception, Pro-Choice, Women's Health = abortion

- "We need to invest in our infrastruture" = massive government spending programs

-"We need to help people" = Stalin and Hitler

-Any reference to violence = they are going to take my guns

244 Majacita  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:44:11am

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Wanting the government to not torture someone is not the same as loving them. I don't like the way prisoners are treated and I think that the conditions that we keep people in before trial is even more shameful. I am a criminal defense attorney and it is one of the reasons I do my job.

245 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:45:50am

re: #244 Majacita

Bradley Manning is not being tortured..

246 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:48:38am

re: #237 Killgore Trout

So apparently we should remove all references to John Adams as well since he defended the British soldiers in Boston?

247 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:51:55am

re: #246 William Barnett-Lewis

So apparently we should remove all references to John Adams as well since he defended the British soldiers in Boston?

Bradley Manning isn't John Adams.

248 bratwurst  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:51:55am

re: #244 Majacita

Wanting the government to not torture someone is not the same as loving them. I don't like the way prisoners are treated and I think that the conditions that we keep people in before trial is even more shameful. I am a criminal defense attorney and it is one of the reasons I do my job.

He is trolling as the "provocative and willfully ignorant Killgore" this morning.

249 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:52:59am
Sailors, veterans and their families are saying goodbye in Norfolk, Va., on Saturday to the USS Enterprise, which was the largest ship in the world and the first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier when it was commissioned in 1961.

In its illustrious history, the Enterprise served at the center of international events for a half-century — from the Cuban missile crisis to Vietnam to the Iraq War.

And it had a distinguished Hollywood career as well, playing a leading role in the 1986 film Top Gun, which starred Tom Cruise as a young naval aviator.

From NPR,

[Link: www.npr.org...]

250 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:55:46am

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Way to utterly miss the point KT. I can hear it make a sonic boom as it speeds over your head.

251 Majacita  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:56:04am

re: #245 Killgore Trout

Neither of us is privy to the conditions that Bradley Manning is being kept in so neither of us can say anything definitively about his treatment.

I do think that holding someone in solitary for months before being brought to trial is shameful. And I go to jails every day and see the conditions my drug dealers, thieves and deadbeat parents are being kept in so torture is not far off. I see the meals, the beatings, the lack of exercise, the crowding, the fights for a mat on the floors. And my guys are for the most part guilty of something but I still fight to get them out of there.

252 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:56:44am

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

From NPR,

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Internet petition going around to have CVN-80 named USS Enterprise.

253 Majacita  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:57:28am

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

And was in Star Trek IV...

254 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:58:30am

re: #253 Majacita

And was in Star Trek IV...

Actually no, it wasn't. The ship was identified as USS Enterprise for the film, but in actuality it was the USS Ranger that stood in for the Enterprise, which was on deployment at the time they filmed the scenes.

255 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:59:02am

re: #224 Targetpractice

I remember the combination of the war with the housing boom caused plywood to skyrocket. I paid 75 bux a sheet for plywood at one time. Granted it was grade a birch but today I can get a sheet for ~25 bux.

256 Majacita  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:59:59am

re: #254 Targetpractice

Ah, I didn't know that and I thought my Trek bonafides were sterling. Added to the trivia knowledge.

257 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:01:11am

re: #256 Majacita

Ah, I didn't know that and I thought my Trek bonafides were sterling. Added to the trivia knowledge.

Yeah, I learned that bit of trivia myself years after seeing the film.

258 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:05:16am

So what happened to the U.S. hardwood plywood industry?

China grew its industrial base in hardwood plywood under a 5 year plan by 255% from 2002-2006 to over 600 producers compared to two dozen in America. Government industrial policies and programs provided subsidies to support that explosive growth. To this day, Chinese producers enjoy a reduced raw material cost advantage by using illegal logs which their government is lax to enforce. Tax rebates and other subsidies support aggressive programs to increase exports to the mature industrial economies in the United States and Europe.

When the domestic market in China cannot absorb all that is produced, and then the excess production is “dumped” into the global market. It’s a classic case. The EU put into place countervailing duties on Chinese produced hardwood plywood imported into their market. The U.S. industry seeks the same remedy.

Ironically, when the U.S. housing bubble was developing, this new U.S. demand coincided with China’s explosive capacity growth. The U.S. industry could not compete with the cheaper Chinese imports that captured the “bubble” demand and then held onto and increased their market share after the bubble burst.

The U.S. does not have an “industrial policy” to promote and protect its industry. We rely on the free market and legal trade remedies which are the only tools available to the industry. Hence, the filing of the anti-dumping and countervailing duty case against Chinese hardwood plywood producers.

259 Lidane  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:05:57am

re: #237 Killgore Trout

But I do check to see what I can cherry pick as the community opinions at DKos.

Edited for accuracy.

260 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:07:02am

Plywood?

My brain is spinning. Too early for such information.

261 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:07:42am

re: #260 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Morning wood.

262 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:10:33am

re: #261 Amory Blaine

Morning wood.

I knew someone would catch that.

263 Political Atheist  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:14:01am

So serious this morning. Perhaps this will lift a weekend mood or two.

264 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:15:02am

BBL. Gotta go get my sunday school lesson ready.

265 Lidane  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:23:15am

Saturday morning soundtrack:

The entire show is fantastic. She's awesome. Love her voice.

266 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:25:16am

If anyone knows of a source for "welfare" information, I'd love the link. It would save me a lot of time (which I don't have right now) for researching exactly what is available.

267 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:25:40am

re: #263 Political Atheist

So serious this morning. Perhaps this will lift a weekend mood or two.

[Embedded content]

Non-weekend specific:

268 prairiefire  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:27:01am

re: #265 Lidane

Love her and the band! She said in an interview she had been practicing her elaborate hand gestures and poses in a mirror since she was a little girl.

269 Political Atheist  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:30:06am

re: #267 wrenchwench

Hmm now have had morning wood and kinks in the same thread. Not bad for an early start.

270 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:31:14am

re: #266 Holidays are Family Fun Time

If anyone knows of a source for "welfare" information, I'd love the link. It would save me a lot of time (which I don't have right now) for researching exactly what is available.

Doubt there's an agreed-upon definition of the limits of the term.

271 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:36:43am

re: #243 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I've noticed a distinct characteristic of Conservatives to interpret many things by some non-existant code.

i.e:

- Women's Rights, Planned Parenthood, Contraception, Pro-Choice, Women's Health = abortion

- "We need to invest in our infrastruture" = massive government spending programs

-"We need to help people" = Stalin and Hitler

-Any reference to violence = they are going to take my guns

As has been said many times, it's all about the narrative. They're story tellers where the story is used to produce a specific outcome. The story is more important than cold hard facts so any facts which spoil the story are ignored.

272 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:37:27am

re: #258 Amory Blaine

So what happened to the U.S. hardwood plywood industry?

We definitely felt 2 bumps in the price of plywood and OSB at our Habitat affiliate--they were the building of the vast logistic bases in SWA, and the rebuilding effort for Katrina. Together with the loss of donations that resulted from the Bush recession, they crippled us over a decade. A house we could build for under 25K is now over 60K, our yearly builds fell from 10+ to 1-2.

273 Majacita  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:39:07am

re: #266 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Each state is different. If you tell me what state I may be able to help.

274 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:39:38am

re: #271 b_sharp

As has been said many times, it's all about the narrative. They're story tellers where the story is used to produce a specific outcome. The story is more important than cold hard facts so any facts which spoil the story are ignored.

The purpose of Rhetoric is to persuade.

275 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:40:37am

re: #273 Majacita

Each state is different. If you tell me what state I may be able to help.

Well, I thought about just starting with Federal -as that seems to be the arena the Fox News Drones seems to know so much about.

276 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:40:56am

Dems won, yet some are still angry

Has all the hallmarks of today's conservatism:

Whiny victimhood complex
Petty antagonism through projection

277 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:42:09am

re: #276 Henchman Ghazi-808

Dems won, yet some are still angry

Has all the hallmarks of today's conservatism:

Whiny victimhood complex
Petty antagonism through projection

Yup, we are going to be "worse than Greece" in a *couple* years.
We have to buy all the guns we can now because they won't be available in a *couple* years.

/sigh

278 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:45:50am

I have to accomplish something.

Have a great afternoon all.

My nic is blue if anyone has any ideas about "welfare" research.

279 Majacita  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:49:52am

re: #275 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Well, I thought about just starting with Federal -as that seems to be the arena the Fox News Drones seems to know so much about.

Most federal programs are administered by the states. And they have different standards for both benefits and eligibility so it is hard to get a national sense of things. What most Fox analysts do is pick out the highest benefits and lowest standards and conflate them. There are also different error rates and fraud rates for each state which are also often conflated. Error rates are percentages of cases that have error (such as $1 in benefits wrong) and fraud rates which is obviously a completely different thing.

280 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 9:51:48am

re: #274 Holidays are Family Fun Time

The purpose of Rhetoric is to persuade.

It runs much deeper than rhetoric, it forms part of their world view. Look to how they perceive the Bible.

281 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:02:08am

Run away! Run away!

282 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:06:24am

Damn. I know that Liveleak is home to some of the most ignorant bigoted commentators but this video has some of the worst I've ever seen. Talk about a bunch of knuckle draggers.

283 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:08:09am

re: #282 Gus

Damn. I know that Liveleak is home to some of the most ignorant bigoted commentators but this video has some of the worst I've ever seen. Talk about a bunch of knuckle draggers.

Not gonna look....

284 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:12:28am

re: #283 wrenchwench

Not gonna look....

Lots of anti-gay stupidity. Somehow, cyclists equals gay or something. One idiot says they're riding on the wrong side of the road. Erm, it's in Australia. It's pretty amazing though. They're all on fire about this.

285 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:17:00am

re: #284 Gus

Lots of anti-gay stupidity. Somehow, cyclists equals gay or something. One idiot says they're riding on the wrong side of the road. Erm, it's in Australia. It's pretty amazing though. They're all on fire about this.

Spandex haterz!

The vid won't work for me, but I would be reluctant to watch anyway, what with the trucks being on the wrong side...might give me nightmares. And I was expecting "run em over! run'em off the road!" comments. Of course anti-gay sentiment is stronger than anti-bike sentiment, because more people rode bikes as kids than were or knew a gay person.

Oh, look, it's auto-hyphenated!

286 Flounder  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:18:50am

re: #282 Gus

That gives me the friggin willies. They shouldn't be riding there.

287 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:19:23am

re: #285 wrenchwench

Spandex haterz!

The vid won't work for me, but I would be reluctant to watch anyway, what with the trucks being on the wrong side...might give me nightmares. And I was expecting "run em over! run'em off the road!" comments. Of course anti-gay sentiment is stronger than anti-bike sentiment, because more people rode bikes as kids than were or knew a gay person.

Oh, look, it's auto-hyphenated!

I used to ride so I really didn't see anything wrong by the truck drivers. They all moved out of the way. One was pretty close but that's nothing new when riding on a highway. The guy in back freaked out towards the end and they pulled over.

288 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:20:10am

re: #286 Flounder

That gives me the friggin willies. They shouldn't be riding there.

In Australia?

Or on the road?

I better go do some work....

289 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:23:49am

re: #286 Flounder

That gives me the friggin willies. They shouldn't be riding there.

290 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:31:51am

Here are a few tips for dealing with road trains:

1. Give the drivers a wave. Driving road trains is a lonely boring job with some serious responsibilities and these guys usually appreciate the occasional bit of human contact.

2. If you get the chance, have a chat to the drivers. They are usually a great source of accurate information about road and (especially) wind conditions, other cyclists in the area, places to eat etc. This also re-enforces the idea in their minds that cyclists are people, not obstacles. [NB: This technique works with truckies but not always with caravan drivers !]

3. Keep your eyes open and get right off the road if you sense potential problems, like a road train behind being overtaken, oncoming traffic, poor visibility etc.

4. If you're going to get off the road, work out early where you're going to get off, and signal you're intention to do so! Signaling gives you a bit more time to get off the road without forcing the truckie to play chicken with the oncoming traffic. [Not that these games are any contest!]

5. If a roadtrain driver blasts his horn to ask you to get off the road, GET OFF THE ROAD !!

6. Once off the road, wait until the all of the road train has passed before getting back on the road. This might be obvious but believe it or not a cyclist was killed on the Stuart Highway a couple of years ago after vacating the road for a truck, only to try to get back on after the second trailer passed to be collected by the third trailer.

291 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:34:25am
292 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:42:05am

re: #290 Gus

I have a tip for all sports car drivers..
1) Pass all that shit

/ Half time of the Oklahoma game.. How are you doing Gus?

293 Henchman 25  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:42:09am

re: #291 Gus

What is this I don't even

294 makeitstop  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:43:13am

re: #265 Lidane

Saturday morning soundtrack:

[Embedded content]

The entire show is fantastic. She's awesome. Love her voice.

I'm really liking her New Zealander counterpart - Kimbra.

Their styles are actually pretty different, but they're both very daring stylistically. I like that.

295 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:44:02am

re: #293 Henchman 25

What is this I don't even

He read the abstract!

The bad news is that gentlemanly behavior makes people happy

This is the "bell curve" author.

Funny, the abstract has this final sentence:

Thus, our findings reinforce the dangerous nature of benevolent sexism and emphasize the need for interventions to reduce its prevalence.

296 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:44:55am

re: #292 A Man for all Seasons

I have a tip for all sports car drivers..
1) Pass all that shit

/ Half time of the Oklahoma game.. How are you doing Gus?

Hungry. No wait that's a constant state. I'm OK, how are you?

297 makeitstop  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:50:00am

Personal milestone department: Today makes 10 years to the day that my wife and I moved into our house. No way does it seem like we've been here that long.

298 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:52:42am

re: #296 Gus

Hungry. No wait that's a constant state. I'm OK, how are you?

I hope work picks up for you. I'm just hanging out watching the OU game with Winston. Did you hear what happened today? Sad.
This world.. I wonder sometimes
[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

299 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:53:21am

re: #298 A Man for all Seasons

I hope work picks up for you. I'm just hanging out watching the OU game with Winston. Did you hear what happened today? Sad.
This world.. I wonder sometimes
[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

Yeah, saw that. Crazy. He shot his girlfriend in front of his mother too.

300 efuseakay  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:54:02am
[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

KC Chiefs player kills wife, goes to practice facility and kills himself in front of the GM and coach.

Of course, now "GUN CONTROL!!!" is what's being discussed in the comments... totally ignoring the fact that this country as a society has some very deep underlying issues that are being completely ignored. "GUN CONTROL" oversimplifies what's really going on. I don't claim to know what exactly is wrong, but it's obvious something is amiss.

301 makeitstop  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:55:00am

re: #298 A Man for all Seasons

I hope work picks up for you. I'm just hanging out watching the OU game with Winston. Did you hear what happened today? Sad.
This world.. I wonder sometimes
[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

That kid came from a couple of towns over from me here on LI.

I'll never understand how anyone can be driven to take their own life, not to mention the life of someone they love. So sad.

302 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:55:50am

re: #300 efuseakay

KC Chiefs player kills wife, goes to practice facility and kills himself in front of the GM and coach.

Of course, now "GUN CONTROL!!!" is what's being discussed in the comments... totally ignoring the fact that this country as a society has some very deep underlying issues that are being completely ignored. "GUN CONTROL" oversimplifies what's really going on. I don't claim to know what exactly is wrong, but it's obvious something is amiss.

Roid rage is one.

303 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:58:04am

Live video of the inactivation of the USS Enterprison.

[Link: www.navy.mil...]

304 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 10:59:08am

Apparently the USS Enterprise has a uterus.

//

305 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 11:01:55am

re: #304 Gus

Apparently the USS Enterprise has a uterus.

//

I did a little work for about a month on the USS Enterprise. They used to have 4 reactors but we decommed 2 of them. Too much power they could spin the screws right off the ship.

306 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 11:07:19am

re: #305 A Man for all Seasons

I did a little work for about a month on the USS Enterprise. They used to have 4 reactors but we decommed 2 of them. Too much power they could spin the screws right off the ship.

Adds a whole level of extra meaning to "screwed up"...

307 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 11:08:12am

CVN-80 to be named the USS Enterprise.

308 Gus  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 11:09:37am
309 efuseakay  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 11:14:19am

re: #302 b_sharp

Roid rage is one.

We don't know what the issue is in this case.

310 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 11:15:57am
311 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 11:24:15am

re: #310 Charles Johnson

Wanker of the Day: Kevin D. Williamson

Lubbock! Maybe Shiplord knows him.

312 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 11:59:49am

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

Gaming the Fiscal Cliff
Politics, profit, and pageantry

By Kevin D. Williamson

One of these days you're going to wake up and realize that the National Review is playing you for a patsy.

313 Flavia  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 2:25:21pm

There were MANY comments I wished to answer, but this one seemed to me to be the best jumping-off place, as it seemed to me to be the most sweeping, rather than very specific.

re: #26 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Every color photo I've ever seen of the White House interior has featured horrendously gaudy furniture. It always looks like it came from a TBN set.

You might be seeing some of the historical rooms, which, I readily concede, can be jarring to the modern eye. However, I know that I, as a taxpayer, would be furious if those rooms were redone to solely suit a modern taste: the White House's history is one of its sources of prestige, or, gravitas. We were always a very young country; now we have a history behind us, and it would be a bad tactical move to try to throw that away, even visually.

As for the the Oval Office, it has historically been yellow, and sometimes with blue. Me, I've always hated that, but bowed to the Occupant - the President's the one who's going to have to work in there!!. The Seal is usually the motif for the carpet, which then kinda dictates that color. I can see why some people don't like the lumpy corduroy beige couches Obama's got in there, but at least they are unobtrusive! They certainly aren't as jarring as the brick red drapes!! Who picked THOSE? They don't go with anything! (Ok, calming down, now...)

And as for the "cowboy statue"? That's a Remington, one of America's premiere sculptors, and was a gift, appropriately enough, to Teddy Roosevelt. If we are ever able to divorce the cowboy era from the genocide of the native inhabitants, we can point to Frederick Remington as the visual voice of the American Spirit.

[Link: www.remington-art.com...]


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