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Kindle Fire HD - Most Advanced 7” Tablet - Only $199

World’s most advanced 7" tablet

1280x800 HD display with polarizing filter and anti-glare technology for rich color and deep contrast from any viewing angle

Exclusive Dolby audio and dual-driver stereo speakers for immersive, virtual surround sound

World’s first tablet with dual-band, dual-antenna Wi-Fi for 40% faster downloads and streaming (compared to iPad 3)

High performance 1.2 Ghz dual-core processor with Imagination PowerVR 3D graphics core for fast and fluid performance

Over 22 million movies, TV shows, songs, magazines, books, audiobooks, and popular apps and games such as Facebook, Netflix, Twitter, HBO GO, Pandora, and Angry Birds Space

Integrated support for Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo! and more, as well as Exchange calendar, contacts, and email

Front-facing HD camera for taking photos or making video calls using Skype, Facebook, and other apps

Free unlimited cloud storage for all your Amazon content

Kindle FreeTime - a free, personalized tablet experience just for kids on the Kindle Fire HD. Set daily screen limits, and give access to appropriate content for each child

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99 comments

1 steve_davis  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 1:24:41pm

Yep. I've got one of these, and in fact I'm probably going to end up watching Casino Royale on it later today. I could watch it on the desktop, but frankly it's just more fun watching it on the Fire. And the sounds is excellent. I wouldn't use it as a primary music vehicle, but for movie sound, the speaker system is outstanding.

2 allegro  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 1:36:34pm

Wow! A 7' tablet! No wonder movies are so awesome on it... but isn't it a bit unwieldy to carry around?

3 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 1:48:57pm

but i can't download it!

4 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 1:52:06pm

re: #3 engineer cat

but i can't download it!

You poor people and your lack of replicators.
:P

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 1:54:59pm

By the way, here's my page at Rebelmouse, a new site that collects all your Twitter and Facebook posts and displays them in a very cool design.

[Link: www.rebelmouse.com...]

6 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 1:55:05pm

re: #4 Varek Raith

You poor people and your lack of replicators.
:P

i want a matter compiler

7 abolitionist  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 1:57:54pm

re: #4 Varek Raith

You poor people and your lack of replicators.
:P

Hey, poor people have replicators. Saw it in some sort of scary documentary-like movie -- Idiocracy.
/

8 Spocomptonite  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:25:39pm

I'll stick to my quad-core 13" laptop convertible.

Goes back to playing Civilization V with a Wacom pen...

9 Mattand  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:28:52pm

re: #7 abolitionist

Hey, poor people have replicators. Saw it in some sort of scary documentary-like movie -- Idiocracy.
/

IMO, two of the most prescient documentaries of the last 10 years have been Idiocracy and Bioshock, although the latter isn't so much a documentary, as it is what would happen if we lived the way free marketers think we should.

10 Mattand  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:30:19pm

re: #8 Spocomptonite

I'll stick to my quad-core 13" laptop convertible.

Goes back to playing Civilization V with a Wacom pen...

Every so often I think I'll try to play Team Fortress 2 or Left 4 Dead with my Wacom. Then I remember how bad I am at those games just using a mouse.

11 allegro  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:38:43pm

Luddite question of the day: What is a laptop convertible?

12 b_sharp  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:40:23pm

re: #11 allegro

Luddite question of the day: What is a laptop convertible?

Topless notebook.

13 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:41:02pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

By the way, here's my page at Rebelmouse, a new site that collects all your Twitter and Facebook posts and displays them in a very cool design.

[Link: www.rebelmouse.com...]

Looks very nice, but what's it for? Access for those who hate Facebook and Twitter?

14 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:41:49pm

re: #11 allegro

Luddite question of the day: What is a laptop convertible?

[Link: www.lenovo.com...]
Screen can go from laptop to tablet.

15 Spocomptonite  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:43:10pm

re: #11 allegro

Luddite question of the day: What is a laptop convertible?

Laptop with a touchscreen that can rotate and fold down onto the keyboard and turn into a tablet.

16 Stanghazi  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:45:36pm

re: #14 Varek Raith

[Link: www.lenovo.com...]
Screen can go from laptop to tablet.

I feel poorer just looking @those!

17 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:46:06pm

re: #8 Spocomptonite

I'll stick to my quad-core 13" laptop convertible.

Goes back to playing Civilization V with a Wacom pen...

The Power Supply went out on my MONSTER computer. Kindof pisses me off but oh well..till I get it fixed i shall live by the laptop

18 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:47:39pm

OT:

Quick, everybody, look surprised!

Rep. Cole: Republicans Don’t Need To Put Forward A Plan

Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK) said Sunday Republicans do not need to put forward a counter offer to President Obama's debt deal proposal. Cole was responding to Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, who made the rounds on the Sunday shows calling on Republicans to put forward their own plan debt-reduction plan.

"I don't think we need to put a formal proposal out on the table," Cole said on ABC's "This Week." "Speaker [John Boehner] has already said revenue is on the table. He has got an idea about how to get there in terms of not raises rates, but finding it in other ways through tax code reform. I think that makes a lot of sense, and that's a doable thing, but beyond that, you know, we'll wait and see how the negotiations go."

Cole also bashed the plan Geithner brought to congressional leaders this week. "I want to thank the president and Tim Geithner for re-uniting and re-energizing the Republican caucus," he said. "Because that offer -- they must think John Boehner is Santa Claus, because that is a Christmas wish list, not a real proposal."

Dan Senor, a top Romney adviser during the campaign, disagreed with Cole. "I do think the Republican leadership at some point here needs to put forward publicly its plan," he said on the show. "I mean, that is something that -- it's sort of an awkward negotiation. I do think the president has gone way too far out on the left."

19 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:50:16pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

It's just a way to collect all those social media posts in one place and give them a consistent look. You can choose which posts appear on the home page, change the order, edit them, etc.

20 Spocomptonite  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:50:40pm
21 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:52:10pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

It's Cole from Oklahoma..Nothing has changed here

22 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:55:40pm

re: #11 allegro

Luddite question of the day: What is a laptop convertible?

a bonfire of mixed metaphors

23 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:56:39pm
24 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 3:27:56pm

What an odd shade of orange!

(CNN) - House Speaker John Boehner painted a bleak picture Sunday when talking about fiscal cliff negotiations between the White House and Republicans.

"Right now I would say we're nowhere. Period. We're nowhere. We've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved, but the White House has responded with virtually nothing," Boehner said on "Fox News Sunday."

– Follow the Ticker on Twitter: @PoliticalTicker

Boehner said the reason negotiations are going so poorly is that Obama administration officials - in particular, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner - aren't taking Republicans seriously. Boehner said he was shocked at Geithner's proposal to Republicans last week.

"I was flabbergasted. I looked at him and I said, 'You can't be serious.' I've just never seen anything like it," Boehner said.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

25 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 3:34:49pm

re: #24 austin_blue

What an odd shade of orange!

(CNN) - House Speaker John Boehner painted a bleak picture Sunday when talking about fiscal cliff negotiations between the White House and Republicans.

"Right now I would say we're nowhere. Period. We're nowhere. We've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved, but the White House has responded with virtually nothing," Boehner said on "Fox News Sunday."

– Follow the Ticker on Twitter: @PoliticalTicker

Boehner said the reason negotiations are going so poorly is that Obama administration officials - in particular, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner - aren't taking Republicans seriously. Boehner said he was shocked at Geithner's proposal to Republicans last week.

"I was flabbergasted. I looked at him and I said, 'You can't be serious.' I've just never seen anything like it," Boehner said.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Yeah, apparently wiping the dirt off Romney's tax plan and proposing it again is an "offer."

26 allegro  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 3:37:36pm

re: #24 austin_blue

Boehner said the reason negotiations are going so poorly is that Obama administration officials - in particular, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner - aren't taking Republicans seriously.

About time. When Republicans start taking their jobs seriously, then maybe the rest of us will also.

27 Kaessa  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 3:38:50pm

Seriously, if you're going to spend $200 on a 7" tablet, get a Nexus 7. I love mine. The hardware still outshines any other 7" tablet on the market that's even close to that price, and it runs pure Android.

29 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 3:50:19pm

re: #27 Kaessa

Seriously, if you're going to spend $200 on a 7" tablet, get a Nexus 7. I love mine. The hardware still outshines any other 7" tablet on the market that's even close to that price, and it runs pure Android.

Like this one?

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

30 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 3:55:08pm

re: #1 steve_davis

Yep. I've got one of these, and in fact I'm probably going to end up watching Casino Royale on it later today. I could watch it on the desktop, but frankly it's just more fun watching it on the Fire. And the sounds is excellent. I wouldn't use it as a primary music vehicle, but for movie sound, the speaker system is outstanding.

Yeah, the Dolby audio system on the Kindle Fire gets rave reviews, for a tiny set of speakers. Another big plus for the Kindle Fire is that the Amazon cloud integration is really slick.

31 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:01:01pm

Over at Hullabaloo, David Atkins gives props to Time Magazine editor:


One journalist has a Howard Beale moment

Given the rotten state of journalism in this country, it's nice to see not only cheetos-eating bloggers like me and Digby, but someone on the inside of the Village stand up and tell the emperor they have no clothes as well. Case in point: Michael Grunwald, senior editor of Time Magazine, calling out the not only the fiscal cliff fiction, but also journalists' role in perpetuating it:

Fiscal Cliff Fictions: Let’s All Agree to Pretend the GOP Isn’t Full of It

It’s really amazing to see political reporters dutifully passing along Republican complaints that President Obama’s opening offer in the fiscal cliff talks is just a recycled version of his old plan, when those same reporters spent the last year dutifully passing along Republican complaints that Obama had no plan. It’s even more amazing to see them pass along Republican outrage that Obama isn’t cutting Medicare enough, in the same matter-of-fact tone they used during the campaign to pass along Republican outrage that Obama was cutting Medicare.

This isn’t just cognitive dissonance. It’s irresponsible reporting. Mainstream media outlets don’t want to look partisan, so they ignore the BS hidden in plain sight, the hypocrisy and dishonesty that defines the modern Republican Party. I’m old enough to remember when Republicans insisted that anyone who said they wanted to cut Medicare was a demagogue, because I’m more than three weeks old.

[...]

I find it frustrating that so many journalists are way too eager to not offend when even the most blatant of lies are thrown into their faces.

32 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:06:16pm

re: #31 freetoken

Over at Hullabaloo, David Atkins gives props to Time Magazine editor:

One journalist has a Howard Beale moment

I find it frustrating that so many journalists are way too eager to not offend when even the most blatant of lies are thrown into their faces.

Prediction: Both Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly will devote segments either tomorrow or Tuesday to going after Mr. Grunwald.

33 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:09:05pm

re: #31 freetoken

I find it frustrating that so many journalists are way too eager to not offend when even the most blatant of lies are thrown into their faces.

Me too. I posted an article yesterday about the possibility of CNN picking up the fact checking banner for cable TV. One of the biggest reasons they won't is because companies are adverse to controversy, complaints and boycott threats. The fact checking will probably just remain on a few dedicated outlets (Politifact, Fact Check, Glenn Kesler). Journalists will still cite the fact checkers but offshoring it removes them from responsibility and limits activist backlash.

34 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:10:21pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

Grunwald has already been attacked (as his editorial was published a few days ago.) And Time Magazine has long been indicted as being a "lefty" magazine.

Grunwald's main example - how the GOP claims it won't cut Medicare yet simultaneously berating government paying for healthcare - is so clearly a case where any reporter, when faced with a Republican who espouses such, ought to just stop the interview and question their interviewee's honesty or ability to understand reality.

35 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:13:02pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

You're making the case for publicly funded, independently operated, broadcasting institutions. Broadcasters that depend upon advertisers will always do what is needed not to offend the advertisers' market.

36 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:17:28pm

re: #35 freetoken

You're making the case for publicly funded, independently operated, broadcasting institutions. Broadcasters that depend upon advertisers will always do what is needed not to offend the advertisers' market.

But an outfit that is government funded is likely to favor more government. The problem you're trying to solve doesn't have a solution. He Who Pays the Piper Will Always Call the Tune.

37 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:20:57pm

Just because you always really wanted to know this:

What Is an Attractive Body?

What is the ideal body size and shape that we want for ourselves and our partners? What are the important physical features in this ideal? And do both genders agree on what is an attractive body? To answer these questions we used a 3D interactive software system which allows our participants to produce a photorealistic, virtual male or female body. Forty female and forty male heterosexual Caucasian observers (females mean age 19.10 years, s.d. 1.01; 40 males mean age 19.84, s.d. 1.66) set their own ideal size and shape, and the size and shape of their ideal partner using the DAZ studio image manipulation programme. In this programme the shape and size of a 3D body can be altered along 94 independent dimensions, allowing each participant to create the exact size and shape of the body they want. The volume (and thus the weight assuming a standard density) and the circumference of the bust, waist and hips of these 3D models can then be measured. The ideal female body set by women (BMI = 18.9, WHR = 0.70, WCR = 0.67) was very similar to the ideal partner set by men, particularly in their BMI (BMI = 18.8, WHR = 0.73, WCR = 0.69). This was a lower BMI than the actual BMI of 39 of the 40 women. The ideal male body set by the men (BMI = 25.9, WHR = 0.87, WCR = 0.74) was very similar to the ideal partner set by the women (BMI = 24.5, WHR = 0.86, WCR = 0.77). This was a lower BMI than the actual BMI of roughly half of the men and a higher BMI than the other half. The results suggest a consistent preference for an ideal male and female body size and shape across both genders. The results also suggest that both BMI and torso shape are important components for the creation of the ideal body.

[...]

38 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:22:27pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

But an outfit that is government funded is likely to favor more government. The problem you're trying to solve doesn't have a solution. He Who Pays the Piper Will Always Call the Tune.

In our democracy the people are the government. Given a choice, I'd say it is better that a public institution tries to please the whole populace, rather than have a private broadcaster attempt to serve a handful of sponsors.

39 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:23:22pm

Derp.

40 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:23:51pm

re: #39 Gus

[Embedded content]

Derp.

...

At one level Mr. Obama's silence reveals the exhaustion of the progressive agenda, of which his presidency is the spiritual culmination, Mr. Mansfield says. That movement "depends on the idea that things will get better and better and progress will be made in the actualization of equality." It is telling, then, that during the 2012 campaign progressives were "confined to defending what they've already achieved or making small improvements—student loans, free condoms. The Democrats are the party of free condoms. That's typical for them."

41 Kaessa  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:24:00pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Like this one?

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Yep. You can get the 16GB one for $199. I have one of the original 8GB ones, and I use the heck out of it.

42 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:24:33pm

Harvey Mansfield - Gender roles and equality

In his 2006 book Manliness, Mansfield defended a moderately conservative understanding of gender roles, and bemoaned the loss of the virtue of manliness in a "gender neutral" society. In a New York Times interview, he defined the concept briefly as "confidence in a situation of risk. A manly man has to know what he is doing."[16] He defines the idea in more concrete terms in the actual book. There, a manly man does not have to know what he is doing, but only has to act as though he does. Also in the book, Mansfield subjects the concept of manliness to a test in which he refers for support of his argument to such diverse authorities as Homer, Hemingway, Kipling, Aristotle, Plato, and Naomi Wood. In his argument, , manliness is ultimately related to assertiveness -- "decisiveness without complete knowledge" -- and its place in society is debated.

Manliness was criticized by Martha Nussbaum in the June 22, 2006 issue of The New Republic.[17] Nussbaum accuses Mansfield of misreading, or refusing to read, many feminist and nonfeminist texts. She argues that his book is based on overt misogynistic assumptions that take a position of indifference towards violence against women. Mansfield asserts, she contends, that a woman can resist rape only with the aid of "a certain ladylike modesty enabling her to take offense at unwanted encroachment."[17]

Concerning controversial comments by former President of Harvard, Lawrence Summers, about mental differences between men and women, Mansfield said that it is "probably true" that women "innately have less capacity than men at the highest level of science... It's common sense if you just look at who the top scientists are."

43 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:25:43pm

re: #39 Gus

A bumper sticker for the 2016 candidate:

A condom in every honey pot, and a hybrid car in every garage.

44 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:27:19pm

re: #43 freetoken

A bumper sticker for the 2016 candidate:

Another one from today:

45 allegro  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:28:38pm

re: #39 Gus

[Embedded content]

Derp.

Rather than derp it, embrace it. Yes, the Democratic party is in favor of taking responsibility for disease and birth control in the real world. It is for educating our kids on how to do both and make wise choices. The GOP? Sky fairies and abstinence-only education that results in increased STDs, teen pregnancies, and creepy daddy pledges.

46 dragonath  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:29:18pm

Douthat is extremely weird. He sounds like Dr. Strangelove.

47 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:30:38pm

re: #44 Gus

Another one from today:

[Embedded content]

I saw that column by Douthat earlier. Yeesh, what an embarrassment.

It would be great if conservative pundits could try not to look so much like nativist Neanderthals.

48 dragonath  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:32:33pm
49 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:36:20pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

I saw that column by Douthat earlier. Yeesh, what an embarrassment.

It would be great if conservative pundits could try not to look so much like nativist Neanderthals.

Carrying on the work of Phyllis Schlafly.

50 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:36:24pm

re: #35 freetoken

You're making the case for publicly funded, independently operated, broadcasting institutions. Broadcasters that depend upon advertisers will always do what is needed not to offend the advertisers' market.

That's true to a degree. I do think that advertisers and broadcasters overreact. Most of the time these fake outrages to get people fired or issue retractions are just a couple hundred noisy activists with little real world boycott power. if complaints were based more on their own merits instead of the noise level I think journalism would be better for it.

51 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:38:33pm

re: #48 dragonath

Hey babe

Image: 120323_BOOK_Douthat-BadReligion.jpg.CROP.article250-medium.jpg

On Abortion:

“If your goal is to reduce the number of abortions in America, there’s really
only one way to do it—you have to pass legal restrictions on the practice. And all the free condoms in the world can’t get you around that persistent, inconvenient reality.”
— Ross Douchehat in "First Things" 8/2006

52 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:39:59pm

“The fact that homosexuality seems to be an innate orientation rather than a choice means that even if one views same-sex sodomy as immoral,
it isn’t plausible to expect ‘the greater part of the multitude’ who are inclined toward homosexuality to abstain from it.”
— Ross Douchehat in "Atlantic Blog" 3/2008

53 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:40:20pm

re: #38 freetoken

In our democracy the people are the government. Given a choice, I'd say it is better that a public institution tries to please the whole populace, rather than have a private broadcaster attempt to serve a handful of sponsors.

No, in our Republic the people elect the government. Big difference.

54 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:40:24pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

I would like to see, someday, that we go to expiring broadcast licensing in this country for privately owned radio and television. Given say only a 2 year window, with a need to prove that the broadcasts are indeed serving the community rather than the current method of continuing until something grievous happens.

55 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:43:31pm
56 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:44:10pm

re: #55 Gus

CAPITALISM!!

57 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:47:03pm
58 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:48:05pm

re: #54 freetoken

I would like to see, someday, that we go to expiring broadcast licensing in this country for privately owned radio and television. Given say only a 2 year window, with a need to prove that the broadcasts are indeed serving the community rather than the current method of continuing until something grievous happens.

The system for broadcast licensing is outdated but I don't think changing to public broadcasting would make much difference. Cable, internet, podcasts, etc would just take up the slack. Either way, radio stations have a hell of a time making money any more. Local TV and newspapers have all been bought up by a handful of conglomerates. Broadcast over public airwaves may eventually return to public domain just because private companies can't make enough money with them.

59 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:49:52pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

I saw that column by Douthat earlier. Yeesh, what an embarrassment.

It would be great if conservative pundits could try not to look so much like nativist Neanderthals.

I don't know, Charles. The last four 'graphs note positive, family-friendly tax and social policies in France and Sweden. They also appear to take a shot across the bows of the Republican policies of no-change, no-how.

As a whole, the op-ed *is* kind of oogie, but not the misogynistic screed I expected.

60 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:50:51pm

re: #42 Gus

Harvey Mansfield - Gender roles and equality

I agree with Prof. Mansfield. Martha Nussbaum was just being a lefty who didn't like being told she was wrong. Prof. Mansfield wasn't indifferent to rape, and she was just trying to run him down.

61 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:52:57pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

OTA broadcasting now takes huge capital expenditures as in most markets the radio and tv frequencies go for millions and millions of dollars.

I would like to encourage the move in the direction you've indicated - let OTA broadcasting be public, and let private companies provide entertainment via point to point networking.

62 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:54:52pm

been spending the afternoon tracing my family tree on ancestry.com

because of the jewish tendancy to name children after other people in the family i've had some aha! moments:

"yes! that must be the correct census record because they always said my sister was named after somebody called Rose!!!"

63 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:57:12pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

I agree with Prof. Mansfield. Martha Nussbaum was just being a lefty who didn't like being told she was wrong. Prof. Mansfield wasn't indifferent to rape, and she was just trying to run him down.

Mansfield is a dying breed and I look forward to their eventual extinction.

64 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 4:58:26pm

re: #62 engineer cat

I've not bothered to sign up with ancestry.com, though I have noticed that they do have many of my relatives going back a few generations, in this country anyway.

65 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:01:07pm

Here's a tab I've had opened for a few days, wondering if I could add to the comments at the letter to the editor in question:

Letter: There are reasons for Islamophobia

SHARIA!!

This type of attitude now is so embedded into a self perpetuating sub-culture it will be near impossible to avoid it the next 50 years or so.

66 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:02:32pm

Wolf, Mansfield on the Politics of Manliness

As the political world continues to buzz about whether Condoleezza Rice or Hillary Clinton will be the first woman president, the Harvard professor Harvey Mansfield, author of "Manliness," and Naomi Wolf, who taught Al Gore about earthtones, discuss the politics of manliness.

Mansfield: Manliness I define as confidence in a situation of risk, and I think men have that more than women.

Wolf: I don't know what bubble he's living in. He's making these sweeping arguments as if from this bubble in 1955.

Mansfield: Politics is a field of competition, and women are less interested in competition, just as they're less interested in sports. And, indeed, I think their interest in sports goes together with their interest in men more than in sports or in politics directly.

Continues.

67 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:03:08pm

That's pathetic.

68 kirkspencer  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:06:05pm

re: #62 engineer cat

been spending the afternoon tracing my family tree on ancestry.com

because of the jewish tendancy to name children after other people in the family i've had some aha! moments:

"yes! that must be the correct census record because they always said my sister was named after somebody called Rose!!!"

Ugh. OK, let me put on my genealogical librarian hat and pick on this a bit - starting with an anecdote. On Ancestry.com there were not one, not two, but three different genealogies that ran backward from one of my ancestors. That is to say, my paternal grandfather had two different fathers and three different paternal grandfathers. (One of the 'fathers' listed had two different fathers.) That's been fixed because a couple of us did real genealogies.

It happened because there were more than David Eli Spencers who crossed paths in the census documents. Well, that and the fact the mother of one of the two (the one who is not my ancestor) married a second husband when the first died. And some people wrote their genealogies based on what they thought they were seeing from the census.

Use the census as a guide but please, don't consider it irrefutable proof. Instead find birth records and death records. Go to cemeteries and look at burial registers, many of which include family information (parents, spouse, children). A lot of families prior to the 19th century maintained some sort of internal document - the family bible being a common example. Be aware that such documents are simultaneously fully trusted and untrustworthy. (Ours does not list a many-great-uncle because his grandfather had disowned the father. Less drastic situations occur when the son or daughter goes to the far frontiers, or off to war, or any of a number of things that put them out of touch with the main branch.)

I'm glad for you that you're finding the links, but be cautious.

And have fun.

69 b_sharp  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:07:16pm

re: #67 Gus

That's pathetic.

Mansfield is a man not in his time. He needs to return to the '50s.

70 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:08:30pm

Bah. Nexus 7 hands down.

71 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:10:57pm

re: #68 kirkspencer

One real headache I've come across is the changing of spelling of names. Even in copies from a family bible - I have copies from the birth and baptism pages - the names can differ than what a public document might list.

Remember, literacy was scarcer, and rules for spelling were, well, not really around.

I have come across:
- replacing "in" for "ing"
- changing "sen" into "son"
- possibly changing "v" into "w"

Very common, I think.

72 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:11:34pm

re: #69 b_sharp

Mansfield is a man not in his time. He needs to return to the '50s.

Speaking of which, did you catch PaleoPat's latest screed on secession?

73 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:11:37pm

yo

74 b_sharp  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:12:17pm

re: #72 freetoken

Speaking of which, did you catch PaleoPat's latest screed on secession?

Nope.

75 Sionainn  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:12:19pm

re: #66 Gus

Wolf, Mansfield on the Politics of Manliness

Oh, yeah, a real winner.

76 Stanghazi  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:12:55pm

re: #73 Holidays are Family Fun Time

yo

yo to ya

77 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:13:02pm

re: #73 Holidays are Family Fun Time

yo

or, in Japanese: よ

78 TedStriker  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:13:32pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

I agree with Prof. Mansfield. Martha Nussbaum was just being a lefty who didn't like being told she was wrong. Prof. Mansfield wasn't indifferent to rape, and she was just trying to run him down.

Mansfield is a douchetanker.

79 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:13:45pm

re: #69 b_sharp

Mansfield is a man not in his time. He needs to return to the '50s.

Yeah. Women aren't interested in sports.

80 b_sharp  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:14:06pm

re: #78 TedStriker

Mansfield is a douchetanker.

A doucheflubber?

81 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:15:00pm

re: #74 b_sharp

Nope.

Here's just a taste:

[...]


One America believes our history is a catalog of crimes against people of color, that women have an inviolable right to abortions, that condoms should be handed out to sexually active teens in schools where Darwinism should be taught as revealed truth, while Bibles, prayers and religious symbols should be permanently expelled.

The other America sees all this as unpatriotic, godless and decadent.

One America believes in equality of rights; the other demands equality of results brought about through the redistribution of income and wealth, affirmative action, racial and gender set-asides, and quotas.

One America believes in gun control; the other in gun rights.
Now that Christmas and Easter have been expunged from public schools and the public square and the popular culture has been thoroughly de-Christianized, we Americans seem to have but one holy day of obligation that brings us all together: Super Bowl Sunday.


[...]

82 b_sharp  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:15:33pm

re: #79 Gus

Yeah. Women aren't interested in sports.

He needs to meet StanleySea and my wife. And perhaps all of the Canadian Women's Hockey team. Oh, and the women who partake in the Olympics.

83 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:15:41pm

American women rule the London Olympics - now what?

They dominated the U.S. team in every way: More women than men made the American team, and they won far more gold medals than the American men. The USA won 46 gold medals in the Games, more than any other nation. Women won 29 of them. Were U.S. women their own nation, they would have finished ahead of every other country's total gold medal count except China and tied Great Britain.

84 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:17:12pm

re: #71 freetoken

One real headache I've come across is the changing of spelling of names. Even in copies from a family bible - I have copies from the birth and baptism pages - the names can differ than what a public document might list.

Remember, literacy was scarcer, and rules for spelling were, well, not really around.

I have come across:
- replacing "in" for "ing"
- changing "sen" into "son"
- possibly changing "v" into "w"

Very common, I think.

From language to language too! I, J, Y, H, G

jacinta
hyacinth
giacinta

Joe
Yusuf

Isaac
Yishaq

vowel sounds are different all over the world, so the combinations the intake people at Ellis Island came up with are mind-boggling.

85 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:17:46pm

re: #78 TedStriker

Mansfield is a douchetanker.

F'ing Asshole?

86 b_sharp  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:18:17pm

re: #81 freetoken

Here's just a taste:

That's an entire army of straw men.

87 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:18:23pm

You folks on the Left Coast need to watch the 60 Minutes story tonight on Camp 14 in North Korea. You will want to beat the shit out of inanimate objects.

88 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:20:06pm

re: #87 austin_blue

You folks on the Left Coast need to watch the 60 Minutes story tonight on Camp 14 in North Korea. You will want to beat the shit out of inanimate objects.

I just listened to it. It's on in the other room.

What I didn't catch is if we have any proof (satellite imagery etc) other than this guy's statements.

89 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:26:17pm

re: #88 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I just listened to it. It's on in the other room.

What I didn't catch is if we have any proof (satellite imagery etc) other than this guy's statements.

There was a lot of that, and an internally consistent story that an opium fever dream could conjure. Brutal shit.

90 freetoken  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:27:58pm

re: #87 austin_blue

Is that the same as what NPR covered earlier this year?

'Escape From Camp 14': Inside North Korea's Gulag

91 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:30:02pm

re: #89 austin_blue

There was a lot of that, and an internally consistent story that an opium fever dream could conjure. Brutal shit.

So, what can we do. We were just as disgusted by Saddam's regime, but doing something about that when we finally could didn't work out so well.

I'm all for working to end this shit, but it doesn't seem to help.

92 Gus  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:30:30pm

re: #90 freetoken

Is that the same as what NPR covered earlier this year?

'Escape From Camp 14': Inside North Korea's Gulag

[Embedded content]

93 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:30:53pm

re: #81 freetoken

Here's just a taste:

Bibles, prayers and religious symbols should be permanently expelled

equality of results brought about through the redistribution of income and wealth

one side listens carefully to what the other is saying

the other side just makes shit up and accuses the other side of believing in it

94 Belafon  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:31:45pm

I'll seriously look at a Kindle when they stop blocking my ability to put whatever android apps I want on it. I could not install any upnp player on a friend's kindle, preventing her from watching movies from my media server.

95 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:32:26pm
96 Belafon  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:36:07pm

re: #81 freetoken

All sorts of American holidays are missing:
Mattress buying day in February
City pool opening day in May
Backyard grilling day in September
Halloween
Consume lots of protein and carbs day in preparation for
The four week buy as much stuff as you can holiday

97 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:38:32pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

No, in our Republic the people elect the government. Big difference.

No in our Representative Democratic Republic, we have a government of the people, by the people, for the people. We elect representatives to serve in government positions that represent our geographical areas.

In old Rome or Greece, Patricians were expected each themselves to do a term of service in the Senate, then they could retire to their plantations and feel secure they had done their service for the state and set things in a way that was profitable for them.

We have some ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES who seem to think they live in Rome.

98 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:42:51pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

I agree with Prof. Mansfield. Martha Nussbaum was just being a lefty who didn't like being told she was wrong. Prof. Mansfield wasn't indifferent to rape, and she was just trying to run him down.

Did we read the same paragraphs on the Wiki you linked?

In his 2006 book Manliness, Mansfield defended a moderately conservative understanding of gender roles, and bemoaned the loss of the virtue of manliness in a "gender neutral" society. In a New York Times interview, he defined the concept briefly as "confidence in a situation of risk. A manly man has to know what he is doing."[16] He defines the idea in more concrete terms in the actual book. There, a manly man does not have to know what he is doing, but only has to act as though he does. Also in the book, Mansfield subjects the concept of manliness to a test in which he refers for support of his argument to such diverse authorities as Homer, Hemingway, Kipling, Aristotle, Plato, and Naomi Wood. In his argument, , manliness is ultimately related to assertiveness -- "decisiveness without complete knowledge" -- and its place in society is debated.
Manliness was criticized by Martha Nussbaum in the June 22, 2006 issue of The New Republic.[17] Nussbaum accuses Mansfield of misreading, or refusing to read, many feminist and nonfeminist texts. She argues that his book is based on overt misogynistic assumptions that take a position of indifference towards violence against women. Mansfield asserts, she contends, that a woman can resist rape only with the aid of "a certain ladylike modesty enabling her to take offense at unwanted encroachment."[17]
Concerning controversial comments by former President of Harvard, Lawrence Summers, about mental differences between men and women, Mansfield said that it is "probably true" that women "innately have less capacity than men at the highest level of science... It's common sense if you just look at who the top scientists are."[16]

99 TedStriker  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:59:57pm

re: #95 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Congressional Testimony by a former inmate at Camp 14.

North Korea: A stark example of man's inhumanity towards fellow men (and women).


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