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Expert Witness: Tommy Chong on Pot Legalization

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Dude … did you know that marijuana has been legalized in the state of Washington? Tommy Chong gives his perspective from years of experience: As Two States Legalize Pot, Tommy Chong Isn’t Nostalgic About the Old Days.

With Washington state set to legalize possession of small amounts of marijuana just after midnight tonight, and Colorado set to decriminalize pot next month, All Things Considered today turned to “stoner” comic Tommy Chong to get his perspective.

Needless to say, the half Asian half of Cheech and Chong is very happy. He’s planning to move to both states, Chong joked.

And he’s not worried that some of the fun of the stoner humor he and Cheech Marin pioneered in the ’70s is going to be gone.

“Going to jail [as he has] and being arrested by cops and being hassled … is never fun,” he said. “There’s nothing glamorous … that we’re going to miss.”

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1 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 5:47:41pm

Matches? I aint' got no matches!

2 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 5:49:38pm

In before "Dave's not here".

3 Gus  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 5:50:16pm

Gateway drug!

//

4 dragonfire1981  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 5:50:54pm

re: #2 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

In before "Dave's not here".

Basketball jones...

5 dragonfire1981  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 5:53:09pm

On an OT note: Whatever happened to musicians with staying power?

I'm talking about those great talented people that could manage to be relevant amidst multiple cultural and generational changes and continue to make great music all the way through.

Now all I see are one trick pony pop stars, boy bands with a shelf life of maybe 5 years, sexy young singers who will become nobodies as soon as the wrinkles set in and cocky young guys who love voice distortion machines waaay too much.

What happened to real music with real power?

6 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 5:59:22pm

re: #5 dragonfire1981

What happened to real music with real power?

How old fashioned of you.

7 JAFO  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:03:16pm

Tonight's thread brought to you by Afgoo.

8 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:04:06pm
9 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:04:50pm

That's a great recording, btw.

10 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:05:40pm

His other tune on the topic:

11 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:05:51pm

re: #5 dragonfire1981

On an OT note: Whatever happened to musicians with staying power?

I'm talking about those great talented people that could manage to be relevant amidst multiple cultural and generational changes and continue to make great music all the way through.

Now all I see are one trick pony pop stars, boy bands with a shelf life of maybe 5 years, sexy young singers who will become nobodies as soon as the wrinkles set in and cocky young guys who love voice distortion machines waaay too much.

What happened to real music with real power?

I actually had this debate with a Music Appreciation Teacher in college. I won.

It takes a long time to prove "staying power". We won't be alive to know which of the modern artists will be recognized in 100 years. You can't look at the Beatles or Led Zepplin and ask if they will have the staying power of Mozart. No one knew in Mozart's time that his music would still be played in the 21st Century.

12 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:06:24pm

re: #5 dragonfire1981

On an OT note: Whatever happened to musicians with staying power?

I'm talking about those great talented people that could manage to be relevant amidst multiple cultural and generational changes and continue to make great music all the way through.

Now all I see are one trick pony pop stars, boy bands with a shelf life of maybe 5 years, sexy young singers who will become nobodies as soon as the wrinkles set in and cocky young guys who love voice distortion machines waaay too much.

What happened to real music with real power?

Go buy Foo Fighters Wasting Light. 11 incredible rock songs. As good as any Rock album ever, and I've been an avid fan of rock music since 1970.

13 Kragar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:11:32pm

re: #5 dragonfire1981

On an OT note: Whatever happened to musicians with staying power?

I'm talking about those great talented people that could manage to be relevant amidst multiple cultural and generational changes and continue to make great music all the way through.

Now all I see are one trick pony pop stars, boy bands with a shelf life of maybe 5 years, sexy young singers who will become nobodies as soon as the wrinkles set in and cocky young guys who love voice distortion machines waaay too much.

What happened to real music with real power?

DAVE GROHL!

14 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:12:30pm
15 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:13:09pm

White Limo.

16 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:13:52pm

Never gets old. The whole movie.

17 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:14:25pm

Lemmy lives.

18 Kragar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:16:01pm

Chris Cornell

19 Kragar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:16:37pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Lemmy lives.

Dio isn't dead, he just ascended to a higher plane of rocking.

20 Kragar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:24:59pm

Cee Lo Green

21 JAFO  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:29:59pm

All this prohibition does is make criminal elements rich and corrupts those we ask to protect us.

FBI — Former CNET Commander Pleads Guilty to Drug, Robbery, and Civil Rights Violations

The former commander of the Central Contra Costa County Narcotics Enforcement Team (CNET) and a special agent supervisor of the California Department of Justice pleaded guilty to five felony counts in federal court in Oakland today, United States Attorney Melinda Haag announced.

Norman Wielsch admitted one count of conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute marijuana and 50 grams or more of methamphetamine, one count of theft from programs receiving federal funds, two counts of civil rights conspiracy, and one count of Hobbs Act robbery. In pleading guilty to the charges, Wielsch, 51, admitted to stealing from evidence facilities $30,000 to $70,000 worth of marijuana and methamphetamine that had been seized during legitimate CNET raids.

Specifically, Wielsch admitted that he stole at least 20 pounds of marijuana and more than 400 grams of high-purity methamphetamine (ice) between November 2010 and February 2011. He further admitted to conspiring to distribute these drugs with his codefendant, private investigator and former Antioch police officer Christopher Butler, also 51

.

22 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:33:14pm

Google moves forward with the next step of their master plan:

Google announces end of free Apps offering

23 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:33:32pm

Incubus.. If Not Now..

24 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:34:12pm

Wingnuts at Hot Air (which I'm not allowed to link to) are outraged that the Republican's "War on Women" isn't in the running for Politifact's Lie of the Year.

To make sure I got the whole story, I spoke with PolitiFact editor Bill Adair, who told me why the “War on Women” didn’t make the cut:

“Lie of the Year comes from statements PolitiFact has rated ‘False’ or ‘Pants on Fire.’ We rate the ‘Lie of the Year’ as the boldest statement or the statement with the biggest reach. Obviously, it’s subjective,” he said. “We didn’t do a fact-check on a statement that there was a War on Women. It was an opinion, and we don’t fact-check opinions. People used it as a sum-up of a variety of aspects of the 2012 campaigns, but it was an overall opinion, not a statement of policy fact.”

I don’t know if PolitiFact’s liberal bias was coming through here, or if the staff just dropped the ball, but I’d say the policy statements and implications were pretty significant, as was the reach. And as Paul Wilson of the Media Research Center pointed out on Twitter, the “War” was even used as a pretext to oppose a ban on sex-selective abortions that was debated in Congress.

Every year, partisans attack or defend PolitiFact for its Lie of the Year. It’s become an annual pre-Christmas tradition. This year, I’m going to join in and say that the “War on Women” should have at least made the Finals, if not been handed the dubious championship trophy.

25 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:34:14pm

Our dynamic world:


Apple to produce line of Macs in the US next year

Apple CEO Tim Cook says the company will move production of one of its existing lines of Mac computers from China to the United States next year.


[...]

26 TedStriker  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:37:58pm

re: #11 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I actually had this debate with a Music Appreciation Teacher in college. I won.

It takes a long time to prove "staying power". We won't be alive to know which of the modern artists will be recognized in 100 years. You can't look at the Beatles or Led Zepplin and ask if they will have the staying power of Mozart. No one knew in Mozart's time that his music would still be played in the 21st Century.

If songs like Stairway to Heaven or most anything in the Beatles or Zeppelin catalogs isn't considered a classic a hundred years from now, it wouldn't be a world worth living in.

///sorta

27 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:41:40pm

re: #26 TedStriker

If songs like Stairway to Heaven or most anything in the Beatles or Zeppelin catalog isn't considered a classic a hundred years from now, it wouldn't be a world worth living in.

///sorta

Much as I like both, I'd rather learn that Ellington, Armstrong, Davis & Gershwin are remembered than either the Beatles or the lead balloon.

28 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:43:13pm

I'm not saying I smoke a lot of pot, but I was over at Tommy Chong's house the other day, and he said "No, you go ahead, man -- I'm good."

29 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:43:24pm

The Nation delves into the past, from where the Monckton-esque rage of the right first targeted the emergence of the system dynamicist view of the Earth:

'The Limits to Growth': A Book That Launched a Movement

Scaremongering about the "Club of Rome" was part and parcel with the general UN!!! hysteria.

50 years of quantitative analyses of ecosystems and the geophysical Earth scares the atavists, a great deal.

30 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:44:06pm

I think the darkest days of rock were the 80's when the arrival of MTV put a premium on the band's look and their elaborate videos and not the music. There was some great music in the '80's, but those bands bucked the trend.

Then grunge came along and everyone forgot about Dee Snyder and Vince Neal thankfully.

31 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:47:14pm

Our society, as evidenced by the silence of meaningful political discourse, appears unable to handle the complexities of the modern world - by which I mean in particular the sum of the effects of our actions, and how that is changing the entire web of life on the planet, and the impacts that will be realized by our own species in this coming millennium.

32 Kragar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:50:40pm

re: #28 BongCrodny

I'm not saying I smoke a lot of pot, but I was over at Tommy Chong's house the other day, and he said "No, you go ahead, man -- I'm good."

Image: i-used-to-smoke-pot-and-go-to-class.jpg

33 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:51:02pm

In that article the author, Christian Parenti, writes:

If we can boil down Limits’ arguments to two key issues, they would be resource depletion and pollution. With forty years’ hindsight, we could say that the authors’ view of nonrenewable resource scarcity has been a bit overstated. We’ve been using resources at about or exactly the rate the book’s business-as-usual or “standard run” scenarios projected. But, we keep finding more oil and more minerals or inventing new substitutes.

Parenti is silent, though, on what has had to happen to bring new resources online - increase in cost.

Because we are willing to pay more for gasoline we now will produce fossil fuels from resources that 50 years ago we viewed as not profitable (such as the Bakken formation.)

34 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:54:10pm

The atavists still want to believe that "man" is a "special creation of God" and thus resist the scientific view that we are animals that interact with our fellow living things in a highly connected, interdependent system of life, all dependent upon the flow of energy (mostly from fusion in the Sun, brought to us by billions of years of sunshine).

35 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:56:54pm

re: #34 freetoken

The atavists still want to believe that "man" is a "special creation of God" and thus resist the scientific view that we are animals that interact with our fellow living things in a highly connected, interdependent system of life, all dependent upon the flow of energy (mostly from fusion in the Sun, brought to us by billions of years of sunshine).

Freaking hippie!
//

36 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:58:03pm

re: #34 freetoken

The atavists still want to believe that "man" is a "special creation of God" and thus resist the scientific view that we are animals that interact with our fellow living things in a highly connected, interdependent system of life, all dependent upon the flow of energy (mostly from fusion in the Sun, brought to us by billions of years of sunshine).

So true. But those Christians should bear in mind Luke 4:12, right?

Jesus answered, "It says: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"

They think God will heal the Earth no matter how bad humans screw it up.

37 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 6:59:03pm

re: #35 A Man for all Seasons

Freaking hippie!

38 Kragar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:00:34pm

re: #36 Mich-again

So true. But those Christians should bear in mind Luke 4:12, right?

They think God will heal the Earth no matter how bad humans screw it up.

A big storm approaches. The weatherman urges everyone to get out of town. The priest says, "I won't worry, God will save me".

The morning of the storm, the police go through the neighborhood with a sound truck telling everyone to evacuate. The priest says "I won't worry, God will save me".

The storm drains back up and there is an inch of water standing in the street. A fire truck comes by to pick up the priest. He tells them "Don't worry, God will save me."

The water rises another foot. A National Guard truck comes by to rescue the priest. He tells them "Don't worry, God will save me."

The water rises some more. The priest is forced up to his roof. A boat comes by to rescue the priest. He tells them "Don't worry, God will save me."

The water rises higher. The priest is forced up to the very top of his roof. A helicopter comes to rescue the priest. He shouts up at them "Don't worry, God will save me."

The water rises above his house, and the priest drowns.

When he gets up to heaven he says to God "I've been your faithful servant ever since I was born! Why didn't you save me?"

God replies "First I sent you a fire truck, then the national guard, then a boat, and then a helicopter. What more do you want from me!!??"

39 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:01:49pm

Blind Melon Chitlin.

40 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:06:49pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Of the 10 finalists for lie of the year, Politifact has managed to get 5 from Democrats and 5 from Republicans.

However, the "Magical Balance" (TM) is only skin deep:

The Republican finalists include 4 "Pants on Fire"and 1 "False".

The Democratic finalists include 1 "Pants on Fire" and 4 "False".

41 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:07:43pm

That's the day the music died..
I drove my Chevy to the Levee but the levee was dry
Those good old boys were drinking their whiskey and rye
Singing..
This will be the day that I die

That's the day the music died

42 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:08:07pm

re: #40 EPR-radar

Yeah, I saw that. They're so predictable, that ever-present quest for false balance.

43 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:10:15pm

re: #26 TedStriker

If songs like Stairway to Heaven or most anything in the Beatles or Zeppelin catalogs isn't considered a classic a hundred years from now, it wouldn't be a world worth living in.

///sorta

I ran across some interesting advice - I think it was in Brust's Agyar - that if music isn't at least 40 years old it's not worth listening to. It takes that long for the 'pop' to go away (mostly).

While I mostly disagree, there are times some recently booming set of headphones makes me think he was right.

44 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:12:37pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Of course there is no GOP war on Women. On an unrelated note, Michigan Legislature today banned health insurance plans from covering abortion unless women pay extra for it. link

Insurance companies on the state health care exchange -- which the federal health care overhaul mandates will start operating next year -- would not be allowed to cover elective abortion as part of their core plans.

Language requiring abortion coverage to be purchased as optional riders was tucked into two state Senate bills about Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan by the state House Insurance Committee on Wednesday.

45 Gus  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:14:04pm

re: #40 EPR-radar

Of the 10 finalists for lie of the year, Politifact has managed to get 5 from Democrats and 5 from Republicans.

However, the "Magical Balance" (TM) is only skin deep:

The Republican finalists include 4 "Pants on Fire"and 1 "False".

The Democratic finalists include 1 "Pants on Fire" and 4 "False".

Interesting. So Republicans have 4 pounds of TNT and one firecracker while the Democrats have 1 pound of TNT and 4 firecrackers.

46 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:20:38pm

re: #41 A Man for all Seasons

re: #42 Obdicut

Hello to both of you!
*smoochies*

47 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:21:35pm
48 Kragar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:23:59pm

re: #47 freetoken

O'Reilly Agrees With Guest That The "War On Christmas" Has To Do With "Abortion And The Gay Rights Agenda"

GHEYS' WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!!!!

That is a perfectly reasonable statement once you realize the people in question are complete fucking idiots.

49 dragonath  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:24:19pm

Tommy Chong trolling Fox News:

Plus bonus Nuge and Cavuto being their regular dweeb selves.

50 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:25:05pm

re: #11 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I actually had this debate with a Music Appreciation Teacher in college. I won.

It takes a long time to prove "staying power". We won't be alive to know which of the modern artists will be recognized in 100 years. You can't look at the Beatles or Led Zepplin and ask if they will have the staying power of Mozart. No one knew in Mozart's time that his music would still be played in the 21st Century.

I think it's a pretty safe bet that The Beatles will be recognized 100 years down the line.

As will Brian Wilson.

51 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:29:50pm

re: #50 makeitstop

I think it's a pretty safe bet that The Beatles will be recognized 100 years down the line.

As will Brian Wilson.

A thousand years from now, artists will make depictions of Brian in a bed writing surfing songs like Pan with his pipes...

///

52 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:30:22pm
53 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:32:17pm

re: #51 William Barnett-Lewis

A thousand years from now, artists will make depictions of Brian in a bed writing surfing songs like Pan with his pipes...

In 2000 years Wilson will be seen as a muse sent by Poseidon to comfort the tortured Mermaids which once swam freely along the coasts of Ancient California.

54 Kragar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:32:51pm

re: #52 Mich-again

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Not for long if the GOP gets their way.

55 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:33:55pm

re: #54 Kragar

Not for long if the GOP gets their way.

Isn't that amazing.. wow. But hey that whole notion of a war on women, its just silly! /

56 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:34:18pm

WAAAY OT, but, garlic soy sauce rocks!

57 Gus  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:34:27pm

When the world comes to an end on December 21, 2012 it will still be December 20, 2012 in Murica.

//

58 Kragar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:34:56pm

re: #56 Dancing along the light of day

WAAAY OT, but, garlic soy sauce rocks!

Is it like a party in your mouth?

59 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:35:22pm

re: #46 Dancing along the light of day

re: #42 Obdicut

Hello to both of you!
*smoochies*

What's cook'n good look'n?
I'm Watching Football so I'm all over the place tonight..
Poor Winston.. I'll yell at the TV and he runs into the other room...
It's OK Winston I'm not yelling at you.. But I see the look in his eyes.
The look that says ..Hoopster..You out of your fucking mind!
I give him a treat asking forgiveness then scream What the hell was that pass! and he is gone again.. I think he needs a doggie therapist

60 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:40:08pm

This is a goddamn circus act.

Democrats watch in awe as McConnell filibusters himself

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) introduced legislation to raise the debt ceiling on Thursday, apparently with the intent of showing that even Democrats would not support such a bill.

However, McConnell’s plan backfired after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) called for a vote on the legislation, which would have given the president the authority to raise the federal debt ceiling on his own. The top Senate Republican was forced to filibuster his own bill.

Any Conservatives on LGF left who can defend this disgrace? Jesus Christ, can we please have a second party that takes this seriously? Pretty fucking please? With sugar on top?

61 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:42:47pm

re: #58 Kragar

LOL! I bet you eat pop rocks...

62 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:43:23pm

re: #60 Four More Tears

This is a goddamn circus act.

Democrats watch in awe as McConnell filibusters himself

Any Conservatives on LGF left who can defend this disgrace? Jesus Christ, can we please have a second party that takes this seriously? Pretty fucking please? With sugar on top?

To pour some salt in this wound, I noticed on an earlier thread the comment that McConnell's next move would be to insert his head up his ass.

That assumes facts not in evidence (i.e., the proposition that McConnell's head has ever _not_ been up his ass).

63 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:44:18pm

re: #59 A Man for all Seasons

My neighbor actually hired a doggy therapist... (when what she needs is to be smarter than the dog!) You've got the smarter than the dog thing down!
Now you just have to stop scaring Winston!

64 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:45:02pm

re: #62 EPR-radar

To pour some salt in this wound, I noticed on an earlier thread the comment that McConnell's next move would be to insert his head up his ass.

That assumes facts not in evidence (i.e., the proposition that McConnell's head has ever _not_ been up his ass).

They're making a mockery of governance. The longer this nonsense goes on the harder it is for me to laugh at it anymore.

65 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:53:47pm

re: #64 Four More Tears

They're making a mockery of governance. The longer this nonsense goes on the harder it is for me to laugh at it anymore.

Well, the GOP is simply unfit to govern. Collectively, they couldn't be trusted with the public policy issues relating to a hamlet with population 20.

That isn't a joke, because it will be hard to get them out of the House, and they could take the Senate/Presidency with a lucky break or two.

If I were in Obama's shoes, I would seriously consider whether I could provoke an impeachment from the GOP House by simply doing my job in a calm and rational manner. That might be useful to expose the madness of the Republicans.

66 gwangung  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 7:55:35pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

If I were in Obama's shoes, I would seriously consider whether I could provoke an impeachment from the GOP House by simply doing my job in a calm and rational manner. That might be useful to expose the madness of the Republicans.

That's not taking much...

67 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:00:33pm

re: #66 gwangung

That's not taking much...

I agree it wouldn't take much. Taking away the debt ceiling toy would probably do it.

68 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:04:55pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

Here in California the demise of the GOP has followed a pretty well understood path. The California GOP refused to change its positions as the major urban areas grew, and the policies of the GOP did not meet the requirements of the new populace.

So the GOP here has been in decline since the 1970's.

Politicians have to change to meet the demands of today's society, or they will get pushed aside.

69 Gus  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:08:56pm
70 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:09:57pm

I think this part of the Michigan Senate Right to Work bill unintentionally says that the NHL has to end the lockout and bring hockey back..

that strikes and lockouts and other forms
16 of industrial strife, regardless of where the merits of the
17 controversy lie, are forces productive ultimately of economic
18 waste; that the interests and rights of the consumers and the
19 people of the state, while not direct parties thereto, should
20 always be considered, respected and protected; and that the
21 voluntary mediation of such disputes under the guidance and
22 supervision of a governmental agency will tend to promote permanent
23 industrial peace and the health, welfare, comfort and safety of the
24 people of the state.

71 Gus  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:31:50pm

Hey man.

72 Gus  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:40:02pm

Got one!

Reeling it in.

73 Gus  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:40:27pm

Pentagon never denied drone activity in Nevada.

74 Gus  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:44:07pm
75 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:44:47pm

re: #72 Gus

Got one!

[Embedded content]

Reeling it in.

It's too big a whopper, Gus. You've got to throw it back.

76 Gus  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:47:30pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

It's too big a whopper, Gus. You've got to throw it back.

It could have ironic irony. //

77 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:48:34pm

re: #74 Gus

78 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:50:32pm

re: #76 Gus

It could have ironic irony. //

If it did, then you could be arrested for having caught it! The Ironically Ironic Whopper is an endangered species. Harming one is punishable by deportation to a FEMA Camp.

//

79 Gus  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 8:53:52pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

If it did, then you could be arrested for having caught it! The Ironically Ironic Whopper is an endangered species. Harming one is punishable by deportation to a FEMA Camp.

//

They probably don't know about the bases in Nevada. Namely Edwards, Nellis, China Lake, and they've reported crashes before. I think it's hipster laziness perhaps...

Noun, verb, drone.

81 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 9:00:53pm

re: #80 Four More Tears

Yasser Arafat and the Radioactive Cigarette

Smoking not only coats your lungs with tar, it can leave you positively glowing!

82 Kragar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 9:08:57pm

Bryan Fischer has decided a Krav Maga website is more accurate regarding women in the IDF than the IDF's own website.

83 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 9:09:34pm

re: #82 Kragar

Bryan Fischer has decided a Krav Maga website is more accurate regarding women in the IDF than the IDF's own website.

Stupid is as stupid does.

84 Kragar  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 9:43:34pm

Ransomware expanding in US

In the past year, hundreds of thousands of people across the world have switched on their computers to find distressing messages alerting them that they no longer have access to their PCs or any of the files on them.

The messages claim to be from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, some 20 other law enforcement agencies across the globe or, most recently, Anonymous, a shadowy group of hackers. The computer users are told that the only way to get their machines back is to pay a steep fine.

And, curiously, it’s working. The scheme is making more than $5 million a year, according to computer security experts who are tracking them.

The scourge dates to 2009 in Eastern Europe. Three years later, with business booming, the perpetrators have moved west. Security experts say that there are now more than 16 gangs of sophisticated criminals extorting millions from victims across Europe.

My kids' computer got hit with this earlier this year, nothing a reboot in safe mode and running Norton AV couldn't fix.

85 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 9:49:34pm

Hey Dark you might like this movie, it is about the Japanese force that held out on Saipan even after imperial Japan officially surrendered. It is mostly told from the Japanese point of view and was filmed by American and Japanese crews.

Battle of the Pacific (2011)

Not much fighting in it after the beginning but a lot of duty and honor stuff without getting mushy about it. I thought it wasn't bad. Anyway thought I would put it here in case you wanted to bookmark it for later or something.

86 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:07:29pm

Some more from Al Jarreau:

87 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:09:50pm

re: #85 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Hey Dark you might like this movie, it is about the Japanese force that held out on Saipan even after imperial Japan officially surrendered. It is mostly told from the Japanese point of view and was filmed by American and Japanese crews.

Battle of the Pacific (2011)

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Not much fighting in it after the beginning but a lot of duty and honor stuff without getting mushy about it. I thought it wasn't bad. Anyway thought I would put it here in case you wanted to bookmark it for later or something.

Thank you, post Favorited.

88 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:15:33pm

Mexican Supreme Court rules for marriage equality

In a unanimous ruling Wednesday, the Supreme Court of Mexico has paved the way for same-sex couples to marry in every one of the country’s 31 states before the U.S. has federal marriage equality.

Gay marriage has been legal in the Federal District, Mexico City, since 2010, and the Supreme Court had previously ruled that those marriages must be recognized nationwide. Wednesday’s ruling struck down a law in the southern state of Oaxaca that denied same-sex couples the right to marry there.

The ruling could have repercussions beyond Mexico’s borders. The couples seeking to marry in the Oaxaca case based their claims partly on protections in the American Convention on Human Rights, which has legal force in many Latin American countries. In saying that bans on same-sex marriage are discriminatory, the court may establish a precedent that could be used by LGBT activists throughout the region.

This comes before the U.S. Supreme Court has even decided whether it will hear a gay marriage case.

89 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:22:22pm

re: #82 Kragar

Bryan Fischer has decided a Krav Maga website is more accurate regarding women in the IDF than the IDF's own website.

He's projecting from comparing the GOP's website to DKos.
///

90 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:30:54pm

Bad news from the Feline Overlord front. He didn't make it.

The vet was able to get him rehydrated and by Wednesday his blood numbers for various toxins normally screened by the kidneys were back in range (from 8x normal down to about 1.5x normal.) However, whatever caused this, believed to be kidney stone(s) or an infection blocking kidney operation, caused enough permanent damage that his remaining kidney function was less than marginal. Which led to some further complications as well.

At which point the vet and I decided that putting him down was the best option at this point. He was warm and not in pain.

He had a very good run, and he will be missed.

At this point there are no plans for getting replacement Overlords until after the holiday travels are completed.

Image: Sherman.JPG

91 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:41:43pm

re: #90 Feline Fearless Leader

Bad news from the Feline Overlord front. He didn't make it.

The vet was able to get him rehydrated and by Wednesday his blood numbers for various toxins normally screened by the kidneys were back in range (from 8x normal down to about 1.5x normal.) However, whatever caused this, believed to be kidney stone(s) or an infection blocking kidney operation, caused enough permanent damage that his remaining kidney function was less than marginal. Which led to some further complications as well.

At which point the vet and I decided that putting him down was the best option at this point. He was warm and not in pain.

He had a very good run, and he will be missed.

At this point there are no plans for getting replacement Overlords until after the holiday travels are completed.

Image: Sherman.JPG

Very sorry to hear it. We lost a long-term companion/overlord almost 6 years ago, after a run of nearly 21 years. Nicest, smartest and most resilient cat we'd ever known, and we've known plenty. We still miss him, despite the passage of time and the presence of other cats in the house. Each cat has a place in your heart and home all his or her own.

92 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:43:30pm

re: #90 Feline Fearless Leader

Bad news from the Feline Overlord front. He didn't make it.

The vet was able to get him rehydrated and by Wednesday his blood numbers for various toxins normally screened by the kidneys were back in range (from 8x normal down to about 1.5x normal.) However, whatever caused this, believed to be kidney stone(s) or an infection blocking kidney operation, caused enough permanent damage that his remaining kidney function was less than marginal. Which led to some further complications as well.

At which point the vet and I decided that putting him down was the best option at this point. He was warm and not in pain.

He had a very good run, and he will be missed.

At this point there are no plans for getting replacement Overlords until after the holiday travels are completed.

Image: Sherman.JPG

Sorry to hear that. I'm glad he didn't suffer much. Losing a well-loved pet is hard, but you can take comfort in the fact that you gave Sherman a good life and he liked you for it. The pain is the proof he made you happy.

93 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:45:10pm

re: #90 Feline Fearless Leader

Sorry to hear that. :(

{{{{oaktree}}}}

94 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:47:23pm

Boy Walt Disney Co. sure made some rather intense propaganda cartoons during WWII...

95 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 11:04:03pm

Good Night, all.

96 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 11:24:35pm

More Charlie Byrd:

97 Tigger2  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 11:29:53pm

re: #60 Four More Tears

This is a goddamn circus act.

Democrats watch in awe as McConnell filibusters himself

Any Conservatives on LGF left who can defend this disgrace? Jesus Christ, can we please have a second party that takes this seriously? Pretty fucking please? With sugar on top?

McConnell would fit in really well at a Republican Think Tank.. lol

98 freetoken  Thu, Dec 6, 2012 11:50:29pm
99 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:03:35am

Pentagon denies drones on Mars, Kook says otherwise.
:P

100 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:13:48am

re: #63 Dancing along the light of day

My neighbor actually hired a doggy therapist... (when what she needs is to be smarter than the dog!) You've got the smarter than the dog thing down!
Now you just have to stop scaring Winston!

Monty Python had that down ages before it was popular. Sorta like the SNL sketch about multi-blade razors.

101 freetoken  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:17:58am

Who says I can't reach across different genres?


102 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:21:14am

re: #85 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Hey Dark you might like this movie, it is about the Japanese force that held out on Saipan even after imperial Japan officially surrendered. It is mostly told from the Japanese point of view and was filmed by American and Japanese crews.

Battle of the Pacific (2011)

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Not much fighting in it after the beginning but a lot of duty and honor stuff without getting mushy about it. I thought it wasn't bad. Anyway thought I would put it here in case you wanted to bookmark it for later or something.

Exactly my taste in films, I loved the Clint Eastwood bookend films Flags of our Father/Letters from Iwo Jima

103 researchok  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:24:57am

Morning, all

104 researchok  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:27:45am

re: #101 freetoken

That made my coffee a triple espresso.

105 researchok  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:33:10am

re: #98 freetoken

Better than I thought it would be.

106 researchok  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:42:25am

re: #96 freetoken

re: #86 freetoken

Feel free to keep these guys in the regular rotation.

Great stuff.

TY

107 freetoken  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:56:15am

re: #104 researchok

Ok, back to decaf:

108 freetoken  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:26:22am
109 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:29:11am

Hello, expats and overseas lizards! Now it's middle of the night in the U.S.

110 researchok  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:29:58am

One of the better arguments for additional stimulus spending (NYT op ed)

...With more than 200,000 boomers exiting the labor force each month through retirement, the rule of thumb that the economy needs to add 140,000 jobs per month to keep up with population growth no longer holds. The new normal is 100,000, which is why 150,000 new jobs a month has brought the unemployment rate from 9.5 percent to 7.9 percent over the last two years.

Getting this right matters. If policy makers believe that the labor market has not improved over the past three years, they will reject the stimulus approach that the president took in 2009 and oppose further efforts to boost aggregate demand — just as John A. Boehner, the speaker of the House, did last week after the administration called for a $50 billion stimulus package.

Over the coming weeks, big fiscal policy choices will be made, and many will be looking backward for a guide on how to move forward. But just as the generation that once proclaimed “don’t trust anyone over 30” has had to face the reality of gray hair and grandkids, the new economics of the baby boom dictate that we must deal with the country and economy we have today — not the one in the history books.

111 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:30:56am

re: #109 Vicious Babushka

Hello, expats and overseas lizards! Now it's middle of the night in the U.S.

Mid-morning here in Germany, lovely snow falling in the Winterwunderland.

112 researchok  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:31:13am

re: #109 Vicious Babushka

Ha! Some of us poor souls are getting ready for work.

Meetings in another time zone (read: Twilight Zone).

114 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:35:41am

re: #111 Sol Berdinowitz

Mid-morning here in Germany, lovely snow falling in the Winterwunderland.

Sunny and 13 degrees (Celsius) in Jerusalem. This is our last day in the Holy Land, traveling back very early Sunday morning, short stopover in Amsterdam (not leaving the airport this time) then back to Detroit.

Then I have to be back at work on Monday. Jet lagged up the wazoo!

115 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:44:57am

Jet lag in one direction can be compensated for, but then when you try to snap your body back again after only a couple of weeks, it gets all screwed up.

116 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:49:04am

re: #115 Sol Berdinowitz

Jet lag in one direction can be compensated for, but then when you try to snap your body back again after only a couple of weeks, it gets all screwed up.

I think east to west jet lag is easier to adjust to than west to east.

117 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:54:39am

my experience as well, I get to Phoenix from Frankfurt and it is still light, I just stay up and crash and manage to sleep through the next day and am pretty much in synch. Coming back to Europe is impossible, I am wide awake at 2am and cannot get back to sleep.

118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 2:15:50am

Morning Honcos.

119 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 2:25:13am

re: #21 JAFO

All this prohibition does is make criminal elements rich and corrupts those we ask to protect us.

.

AS I've said many times, Way too much money in the War on Drugs. . . . ending it will be worse than pulling out of Afghanistan.

120 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 2:29:34am

re: #90 Feline Fearless Leader

Bad news from the Feline Overlord front. He didn't make it.

The vet was able to get him rehydrated and by Wednesday his blood numbers for various toxins normally screened by the kidneys were back in range (from 8x normal down to about 1.5x normal.) However, whatever caused this, believed to be kidney stone(s) or an infection blocking kidney operation, caused enough permanent damage that his remaining kidney function was less than marginal. Which led to some further complications as well.

At which point the vet and I decided that putting him down was the best option at this point. He was warm and not in pain.

He had a very good run, and he will be missed.

At this point there are no plans for getting replacement Overlords until after the holiday travels are completed.

Image: Sherman.JPG

(((((oaktree))))

121 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 2:30:42am

I think I may be able to sleep

later all!

122 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 2:47:06am

Congress just passed a law removing a word some say is demeaning from the lettering of the law. And that word is, if you'll pardon, "Lunatic."

CBS reports that the word's removal passed the House by an overwhelming vote of 398 to 1. The only holdout: Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican, who said that not only should the word remain on the books, but it should be used to "describe the people who want to continue with business as usual in Washington."
[Link: politix.topix.com...]
These people are fucking morons.

123 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 2:50:07am

re: #122 Cannadian Club Akbar

Some might not my link. Well here's another.
[Link: newsfeed.time.com...]

124 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:00:02am

Louie Gohmert terrorizes babies!

125 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:01:20am

re: #124 Sol Berdinowitz

Louie Gohmert terrorizes babies!

Word police. They can fuck themselves.

126 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:03:43am

I do not really care about PC when it comes to music, art, literature or even private persons' public utterances, but I am a bit tetchy about it when it comes to the official wording of government speech, laws and documents.

127 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:10:35am

re: #126 Sol Berdinowitz

I do not really care about PC when it comes to music, art, literature or even private persons' public utterances, but I am a bit tetchy about it when it comes to the official wording of government speech, laws and documents.

But, but, the gubmint has nothing better to do.
/half

128 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:28:49am

In this case, I find it politically correct for them to do so. But I cannot begrudge ol Gohmert Pyle to take advantage of another chance to brand himself as a True Conservative

129 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:36:21am

re: #128 Sol Berdinowitz

In this case, I find it politically correct for them to do so. But I cannot begrudge ol Gohmert Pyle to take advantage of another chance to brand himself as a True Conservative

Well, no one minds having speech banned until it is theirs. This is why I think people who want Rush, Glenn and Sean banned are fucking idiots.

130 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:39:41am

Nobody is banning the use of the word "lunatic", it is just being removed from the list of official designations for the mentally ill.

131 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:43:03am

re: #130 Sol Berdinowitz

Nobody is banning the use of the word "lunatic", it is just being removed from the list of official designations for the mentally ill.

Well thank God (sorry, didn't mean to say that) James Holmes isn't a lunatic.

132 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:51:05am

This is a nuance that often gets lost in the shouting match and I am not sure if Gohmert is really so dense as not to get it or if he is just instrumentalizing it for PR purposes: I really believe that official language must be "politically correct", i.e., gender, racially and value-neutral.

I do not think that those rules should apply to any other sort of speech.

133 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:59:41am

re: #129 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, no one minds having speech banned until it is theirs. This is why I think people who want Rush, Glenn and Sean banned are fucking idiots.

The number of people who want that is tiny, though.

134 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:01:13am

re: #122 Cannadian Club Akbar

The people arguing against the change are kind of weird. Why do they want so desperately to keep using an outdated, unscientific term in government documents?

135 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:03:37am

We use a lot of outdated terms...when is the last time you actually dialed a phone dial or turned on a switch?

But in this case, "lunatic" has certain judgemental associations that speak for retiring it from official language
.

136 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:06:49am


International acceptance? They are still a bunch of terrorist gangster criminals.

137 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:16:00am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

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International acceptance? They are still a bunch of terrorist gangster criminals.

No. they deserve a a seat at the adult table.
//just die you fucking bastards

138 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:17:29am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

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International acceptance? They are still a bunch of terrorist gangster criminals.

Let them sit together with the Yakuza and the Russian mob. Maybe also invite MS13?

139 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:17:37am

re: #134 Obdicut

The people arguing against the change are kind of weird. Why do they want so desperately to keep using an outdated, unscientific term in government documents?

Got me you lunatic bro.

140 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:18:28am

re: #138 Vicious Babushka

Let them sit together with the Yakuza and the Russian mob. Maybe also invite M13?

Shin Bet?

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:24:16am

My friend. who can bench 400 Lbs. is trying to get out of work. Why? Because is raining. Suck it up, Nancy.

142 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:27:47am

Try to fool yourself as long and hard as you want but reality is gonna slap you in the face eventually anyway. Good bye everyone!

This was posted on my FB page from a guy that is a normal guy. Should I be worried?

143 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:29:16am

As someone whose life is permanently stamped by mental illness--anxiety and depression--it's a big fucking deal that legal documents not label me a lunatic, which is a ridiculously hazy term that harkens back to incurable complaints caused by astrology, and is larded by centuries of use with images of delusion, violence, and mania.

I take shit for being "crazy" pretty routinely. It's ain't funny, and it closes doors that would otherwise be open, all because people are plug-ignorant and unwilling to be empathetic on the subject of mental illness. Yeah, I kind of like the government not do the same thing in their formal, binding deliberations and documents.

144 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:29:18am

re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar

Try to fool yourself as long and hard as you want but reality is gonna slap you in the face eventually anyway. Good bye everyone!

This was posted on my FB page from a guy that is a normal guy. Should I be worried?

does not sound "normal", no...

145 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:29:30am

Lunatic is a non-medical term.
We should be using proper terms.
;)

146 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:31:02am

re: #145 Varek Raith

Lunatic is a non-medical term.
We should be using proper terms.
;)

Asshole?

147 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:32:45am

Internet Hangs in Balance as World Governments Meet in Secret
[Link: www.wired.com...]

Dear rest of the World. Please fuck off. It is our internet.

148 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:37:04am

re: #144 Sol Berdinowitz

does not sound "normal", no...

I just asked him WTF he means. Crap.

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:41:09am

re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just asked him WTF he means. Crap.

you can always delete a comment

150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:45:03am

re: #149 Sol Berdinowitz

you can always delete a comment

Here is the problem. My friend dated this girl for about 4 years, then realized he's gay. There could be pressure put on him. It might just be a joke though. I don't know yet.

151 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:48:57am

I have to admit that for all the other problems and crises I have in my life, I had my sexuality sorted out by the time I was nine years old.

I had a lot of problems about it in high school, becuase I was not interested in "manly" stuff like sports or cars, I was into art and literature music and hung out with a lot of other social rejects, many of whom later came out as gay.

Just remind your friend what Marco Rubio and the Mormons say: being gay is a sin and a hideous abomination unto the Lord, the moral equivalent of wife-beating or bestiality, but we are not being judgemental about it, just telling you what's in the Bible...

152 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:00:32am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

Terror master meets with minions in Gaza. Film at 11.

The only difference is that Meshaal is back in Gaza for the first time in decades. That's apparently newsworthy, even though he's had no problem sending thousands of his Hamas minions to their deaths by calling for jihad against Israel from the relative safety of Damascus over the past two decades.

Now, Damascus isn't all that safe (nor is Syria at large with the civil war raging there), so Gaza is perceived as a safer haven than Syria.

It's real easy to call for jihad from afar. We'll see just what's changed in coming weeks and months when he's in the thick of it in Gaza.

153 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:31:57am

Mornin' gang.

154 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:42:55am

So, UE has come down for another month, down now to 7.7%, on better than expected jobs numbers.

You can hear the wingnut heads popping like champagne corks.

155 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:48:38am

re: #153 darthstar

Heya. This is the place my friend works:

[Link: www.lynda.com...]

If anything there looks tasty, let me know.

156 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:51:23am

Ah, RedState's always good for a hoot. Erick, Son of Erick, is telling the troops that Boehner should continue to hold out on tax rates, because if we go over the cliff and into January, then it will be the GOP who will have more leverage to demand an across the board rate cut, as Democrats will be desperate for some cover in '14 and jump at any deal the GOP offers.

157 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:52:48am

re: #155 Obdicut

Heya. This is the place my friend works:

[Link: www.lynda.com...]

If anything there looks tasty, let me know.

Thanks, I'll take a look.

158 GunstarGreen  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:52:57am

re: #154 Targetpractice

So, UE has come down for another month, down now to 7.7%, on better than expected jobs numbers.

You can hear the wingnut heads popping like champagne corks.

I'm thinking, if we can push it down to 7.0 by the end of term 2, the sound will be more like hitting the self-destruct button in Lemmings.

159 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:56:10am

re: #158 GunstarGreen

I'm thinking, if we can push it down to 7.0 by the end of term 2, the sound will be more like hitting the self-destruct button in Lemmings.

It already is.

160 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:58:47am

re: #159 darthstar

It already is.

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*headdesk*

Does anyone remember the "liberal media" wigging out like this after '04? Because I sure can't.

161 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:59:36am
162 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:02:27am

Boehner holding a press conference at 11am EST, my guess is to whine some more about how the White House needs to be the one to come to him and how, if it doesn't, then we're headed for the cliff.

163 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:02:34am

re: #161 Gus

I thought he was only supposed to shave it if Obama lost.

164 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:04:41am

re: #162 Targetpractice

Boehner holding a press conference at 11am EST, my guess is to whine some more about how the White House needs to be the one to come to him and how, if it doesn't, then we're headed for the cliff.

It'd be great if a network or two just didn't show up, or sent a guy with a VCR on his shoulder to record it. "Hey, we're covering your "breaking news" you fucking attention whore...nobody said we had to air it live."

165 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:04:46am

re: #163 darthstar

I thought he was only supposed to shave it if Obama lost.

Don't remember.

166 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:09:13am

re: #164 darthstar

It'd be great if a network or two just didn't show up, or sent a guy with a VCR on his shoulder to record it. "Hey, we're covering your "breaking news" you fucking attention whore...nobody said we had to air it live."

Pretty much. Only way it would be worth tuning in at this point is if Boehner declared that the GOP will roll on either tax rates or the debt ceiling and truly put the ball back in Obama's court. As is, the bi-daily whine session is getting old.

167 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:10:13am

re: #165 Gus

Don't remember.

He did it to raise 1m for epilepsy.

168 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:11:36am

re: #167 Stanghazi

He did it to raise 1m for epilepsy.

Yep.

169 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:12:37am

re: #166 Targetpractice

Pretty much. Only way it would be worth tuning in at this point is if Boehner declared that the GOP will roll on either tax rates or the debt ceiling and truly put the ball back in Obama's court. As is, the bi-daily whine session is getting old.

If he wanted to get work done, he'd keep congress in session to discuss. They only worked through Wednesday.

170 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:15:38am

re: #167 Stanghazi

He did it to raise 1m for epilepsy.

re: #168 Gus

Yep.

Funny. Rush Limbaugh raised $4.2 Mil for charity when Harry Reid tried to get his 1st Amendment rights halted, then took credit for raising the money, and Limbaugh got bashed. What is the fucking problem here?

171 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:15:46am

re: #167 Stanghazi

He did it to raise 1m for epilepsy.

Okay...that's what I figured...it was a follow on the bet...good fellow, that Axelrod.

Axelrod bet “Morning Joe” host Joe Scarborough that President Obama would win Michigan, Minnesota and Pennsylvania, putting his mustache on the line. The Democratic strategist won, but he then offered to shave anyway if viewers raised $1 million in a month for Citizens United for Research in Epilepsy (CURE). Axelrod’s daughter has epilepsy; his wife Susan (who joined him on the “Morning Joe” set) chairs CURE.

172 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:16:17am

re: #167 Stanghazi

He did it to raise 1m for epilepsy.

David Axelrod was to shave his mustache if Obama won and Joe Scarborough was to grow a mustache if Obama lost. Axelrod decides to shave it anyway but turn it into a fundraiser for 1 mil. for epilepsy. Scarborough got out of growing a mustache by donating 10K to Axelrod's cause.

173 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:18:53am

re: #170 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #168 Gus

Funny. Rush Limbaugh raised $4.2 Mil for charity when Harry Reid tried to get his 1st Amendment rights halted, then took credit for raising the money, and Limbaugh got bashed. What is the fucking problem here?

O_o

174 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:20:28am

thanks for the fish........

175 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:25:13am

re: #152 lawhawk

Terror master meets with minions in Gaza. Film at 11.

The only difference is that Meshaal is back in Gaza for the first time in decades. That's apparently newsworthy, even though he's had no problem sending thousands of his Hamas minions to their deaths by calling for jihad against Israel from the relative safety of Damascus over the past two decades.

Now, Damascus isn't all that safe (nor is Syria at large with the civil war raging there), so Gaza is perceived as a safer haven than Syria.

It's real easy to call for jihad from afar. We'll see just what's changed in coming weeks and months when he's in the thick of it in Gaza.

Well, if he doesn't keep a tight reign and prevent rocket fire he can now be issued a Hellfire enema.

176 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:28:10am

re: #166 Targetpractice

Charles Krauthammer understands the situation:

Pretty much. Only way it would be worth tuning in at this point is if Boehner declared that the GOP will roll on either tax rates or the debt ceiling and truly put the ball back in Obama's court. As is, the bi-daily whine session is getting old.

What’s going on here? Having taken Boehner’s sword, and then his shirt, Obama sent Geithner to demand Boehner’s trousers. Perhaps this is what Obama means by a balanced approach.

He pretends that Boehner’s offer to raise revenues by eliminating deductions rather than by raising rates is fiscally impossible. But on July 22, 2011, Obama said that “$1.2 trillion in additional revenues . . . could be accomplished without hiking tax rates, but could simply be accomplished by eliminating loopholes, eliminating some deductions, and engaging in a tax reform process.” Which is exactly what the Republicans are offering today.

As for the alleged curative effect on debt of Obama’s tax-rate demand — the full rate hike on the “rich” would have reduced the 2012 deficit from $1.10 trillion to $1.02 trillion.

That’s a joke, a rounding error.

Such nonsense abounds because Obama’s objective in these negotiations is not economic but political: not to solve the debt crisis but to fracture the Republican majority in the House. Get Boehner to cave, pass the tax hike with Democratic votes provided by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and let the Republican civil war begin.

It doesn’t even matter whether Boehner gets deposed as speaker. Either way, the Republican House would be neutered, giving Obama a free hand to dominate Washington and fashion the entitlement state of his liking.

Read the whole thing.

177 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:29:48am

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Charles Krauthammer understands the situation:

Read the whole thing.

Conspiracy theory.

178 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:30:57am

re: #174 Cannadian Club Akbar

thanks for the fish........

We were talking about Axelrod who shaved his mustache off this morning for charity and you bring up something, something about Rush Limbaugh that happened 5 years ago.

179 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:33:29am

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Charles Krauthammer understands the situation:

Read the whole thing.

Which sounds like a great theory...except it falls apart when you consider that Boehner's "counteroffer" set off the howling of the wingnuts anyway. They don't want a deal, they want capitulation, they want Obama to grovel before them and to sacrifice "entitlements" on the altar of the great god Debt. Any deal made where the GOP gives up anything is gonna raise calls for Boehner's head.

180 efuseakay  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:35:21am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

International acceptance? They are still a bunch of terrorist gangster criminals.

I'm surprised Israel hasn't had a welcoming gift for him.

181 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:37:34am

Weird that raising taxes on the wealthy is seen as a drop in the bucket.

Turning that philosophy, social programs are as well.

The hypocrisy is putrid.

182 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:37:39am

re: #177 Gus

Conspiracy theory.

No, its political analysis. It's not a charge of some plan to break the law or betray the nation, just analysis of a political power-play.

183 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:40:33am

Work for less, pay your own health care, and retire later. Or it's your fault the economy is going to shit.

^Conservatism

184 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:44:20am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

No, its political analysis. It's not a charge of some plan to break the law or betray the nation, just analysis of a political power-play.

It's ridiculous. Krauthammer says:

It doesn’t even matter whether Boehner gets deposed as speaker. Either way, the Republican House would be neutered, giving Obama a free hand to dominate Washington and fashion the entitlement state of his liking.

First off. The Speaker of the House is never deposed. That would be up to the Republicans themselves who would put up his replacement to a vote. It would be a decision the Republicans would have to make themselves. His replacement would likely be someone who is seen as equally obstructionist to the president. In other words, there would be no change to Republican House opposition to the president. Another thing is that it's the Tea Party and right wing pundits like Malkin, et al, who are making the most rumblings about Boehner's alleged weakness in this fiscal cliff drama. Boehner himself has been behind removing many of the more immoveable members of House committees. Lastly, I see no proof of Obama trying to create an "entitlement state."

185 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:46:50am

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Charles Krauthammer understands the situation:

Read the whole thing.

Boehner's got a few problems - none of which are President Obama's fault:
1. Finding consensus in his own party is like putting frogs in a wheelbarrow. He can't control them...they're too fucking crazy.
2. He's not very good at his job. This is because he's lazy. He hasn't even bothered to write up a serious budget/tax/spending proposal of his own. He's just using the Romney/Ryan outline as a proposal - and even that is a hollow shell of a policy.
3. He's manipulative. Granted, for the last two years he could wait for President Obama to give him most of what he wanted, but that was because President Obama didn't care about the small battles. That won't work anymore. He's being asked to actually say what he wants in cuts...to take ownership. But passive-aggressive people can't do that. It's too scary.

As for Krauthammer, he's a fucking nut himself.

186 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:48:40am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

No, its political analysis. It's not a charge of some plan to break the law or betray the nation, just analysis of a political power-play.

It's basically a more long-winded version of Erickson's rant today, calling on the GOP to run down the clock til we go over the cliff, then pass a bill calling for an across-the-board rate cut, expecting that doing so will win them public support and "level the playing field."

187 blueraven  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:51:49am

Oh fuck, just heard on CNN...the UK hospital receptionist who was pranked by 2 Australian DJs over Kate Middleton, and gave out info on her condition, has committed suicide.

188 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:54:09am

Ugh. Just got three right-wing followers on Twitter. One is even a Free Republic type of account. What did I do? :O

189 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:57:00am

re: #187 blueraven

Oh fuck, just heard on CNN...the UK hospital receptionist who was pranked by 2 Australian DJs over Kate Middleton, and gave out info on her condition, has committed suicide.

[Link: www.kptv.com...]

190 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:00:37am

re: #188 Gus

Ugh. Just got three right-wing followers on Twitter. One is even a Free Republic type of account. What did I do? :O

You were you.

191 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:01:20am

BBL

192 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:01:24am

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

You were you.

Maybe it was #74.

193 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:06:53am

re: #90 Feline Fearless Leader

Bad news from the Feline Overlord front. He didn't make it.

The vet was able to get him rehydrated and by Wednesday his blood numbers for various toxins normally screened by the kidneys were back in range (from 8x normal down to about 1.5x normal.) However, whatever caused this, believed to be kidney stone(s) or an infection blocking kidney operation, caused enough permanent damage that his remaining kidney function was less than marginal. Which led to some further complications as well.

At which point the vet and I decided that putting him down was the best option at this point. He was warm and not in pain.

He had a very good run, and he will be missed.

At this point there are no plans for getting replacement Overlords until after the holiday travels are completed.

Image: Sherman.JPG

The Rainbow Bridge is going to be rather crowded. My sympathies.

194 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:09:53am

Oh jeez. The Geller/Spencer crew have managed to come out with a more offensive ad for transit and subways.

Image: New_Anti-Islam_Ad.jpg

195 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:11:07am

re: #115 Sol Berdinowitz

Jet lag in one direction can be compensated for, but then when you try to snap your body back again after only a couple of weeks, it gets all screwed up.

For getting sleep the other direction, take an OTC sleeping pill just before you go to sleep. Not to help you go to sleep, but to help you stay asleep a few hours later. It doesn't help in every case, but for a lot of people if they can get past the "time to get up" half-hour or so signal of their backbrain they can continue sleeping. You should only need it for three days or so - just enough to get your back-brain started on time syncing.

196 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:16:36am

On Krauthammer's stupidity, 8% is a rounding error, but 0.04% is of critical importance.
(Deficit according to Krauthammer: $1.10 Trillion. Removing Bush Cuts on rich: $80 billion. Federal funding for PBS: $445 million.)

Math - it has a liberal bias.

197 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:17:39am

The suddenly sensible sounds emanating from the business community are astonishing when contrasted with the anger displayed toward the president by many of these corporate suits only weeks ago, when they berated Obama as “anti-business” and loudly yearned for a corporate-style Romney presidency. Resoundingly rebuked by the electorate, which overwhelmingly favors Obama’s positions on taxes and entitlements — and stands ready to blame the Republicans if no budget agreement is achieved — the business leaders are backing ever so subtly away from their traditional alliance with the GOP.

These brand-conscious executives suddenly have realized that the Republican brand, especially at the congressional level, is politically toxic. And they would rather not be too closely identified with it at this dangerous moment.

198 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:25:16am

Okay...this is pretty good.

199 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:32:16am

I'm looking at the tweets linked by re: #74 Gus and re: #159 darthstar, and realized the only thing I missed way back when was the timing. I thought the 'sane' GOP had longer to break the cycle of the zealotry crisis.

At this point it's just a matter of how long it takes for the snake to eat itself.

200 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:33:06am

re: #197 darthstar

[Embedded content]

I will believe it when they do not fund tea party candidates for upcoming elections.

201 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:33:47am

re: #187 blueraven

Oh fuck, just heard on CNN...the UK hospital receptionist who was pranked by 2 Australian DJs over Kate Middleton, and gave out info on her condition, has committed suicide.

The website for the radio station is crawling under the load, I expect a lot of people want to give them a piece of their mind right about now.

2Day show host Mel Greig described how easy it was to access the details, telling The Australian they simply googled the number for the exclusive private hospital.

She said "it seemed so far-fetched to us but it actually worked, we assumed they would have had 100 calls already that day from people trying to pretend to get through to talk to her (Middleton) ... ours seemed to work for some reason.

"This is by far the best prank I've ever been involved in ... It's definitely a career highlight," Greig said.

I wonder if she still thinks it is a "career highlight" now?

Kate Middleton Prank Call Death: Australia's 2Day FM Radio Caught in Backlash

Comments at the radio station site:

"And the result of this prank is the death of the person taking the call. These two should now resign or if not then sacked by Monday," reads one comment.

"Shame on you both - should be struck off," reads another.

"Well done you now have the death of an innocent woman on your hands are you laughing now you stupid a*s h*les you play with others' lives just for a laugh," says a third.

"Childish, stupid and cruel. You should be ashamed of yourselves," a user called Eels says. "Regardless of the identity of the mother, a lady should have her privacy respected. It wasn't funny and I hope the station has the guts and the decency to fire you both. Are you still laughing now?"

"Happy? Your families must be so proud of you for pulling this one - you never will understand the full results of your actions - but you both are responsible to some point for the death of a woman who was just supporting her family and doing her job," user mickey5432 says.

"This radio station should be disgusted. The presenters and producer should be put in a room with the nurse's family," reads another one.

202 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:36:57am

re: #201 watching you tiny alien kittens are

And the site now gives a 401 error, unauthorized access, when trying to get to the comments page.

203 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:38:24am

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

I love how Krauthammer takes what the GOP is doing to itself-- bitter infighting-- and blames it on Obama.

Such nonsense abounds because Obama’s objective in these negotiations is not economic but political: not to solve the debt crisis but to fracture the Republican majority in the House. Get Boehner to cave, pass the tax hike with Democratic votes provided by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and let the Republican civil war begin.

It's classic GOP projection. The GOP is at war with itself, as a few semi-sane people realize the Ayn Rand economics they've been pushing are starting to make people hate them. The GOP leadership is pushing out the fanatics, and somehow this is Obama's fault, Obama's conspiracy.

And the GOP has used every single 'showdown' with the White House to achieve political, not economic goals-- they have outright stated that, during the last session, their goal was to limit Obama to one term-- and yet it is Obama who is disingenuous, those poor GOPers are just trying to fix the economy.

Pathetic projection. I wonder if he even knows he's doing it.

204 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:42:06am

re: #201 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I don't feel it's their fault that she killed herself, but they're still shitheads. Even if she'd just gotten fired or embarrassed, they should resign over crap like that.

Also: It's the 21st century and people still care about royalty. Ain't it somethin'?

205 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:43:38am

Hmm, we got a "thanks for all the fish" comment.

206 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:48:55am

re: #204 Obdicut

I don't feel it's their fault that she killed herself, but they're still shitheads. Even if she'd just gotten fired or embarrassed, they should resign over crap like that.

Also: It's the 21st century and people still care about royalty. Ain't it somethin'?

Oh, I don't know, I think a case for Depraved Indifference could be made against them.

As for royalty, meh, caring about them is a smaller vice than caring about foolish actors/actresses, musicians or WWE performers.

207 blueraven  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:51:56am

re: #204 Obdicut

I don't feel it's their fault that she killed herself, but they're still shitheads. Even if she'd just gotten fired or embarrassed, they should resign over crap like that.

Also: It's the 21st century and people still care about royalty. Ain't it somethin'?

It may not be totally their fault. The woman probably had many other issues. But she was humiliated by international attention.

The prank was set up to get someone to put the call through. WTF did they think would happen to that person?

208 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:53:13am

re: #204 Obdicut

Eh, they are Britain's national pets, and they only cost 60p per person.

The DJs on the other hand are massive, raging assholes.

209 Destro  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:54:21am

re: #5 dragonfire1981

On an OT note: Whatever happened to musicians with staying power?

I'm talking about those great talented people that could manage to be relevant amidst multiple cultural and generational changes and continue to make great music all the way through.

Now all I see are one trick pony pop stars, boy bands with a shelf life of maybe 5 years, sexy young singers who will become nobodies as soon as the wrinkles set in and cocky young guys who love voice distortion machines waaay too much.

What happened to real music with real power?

Digital music and online downloading of it no longer allows for album sales as before so singles are were it is at.

But musicians from the past are doing great as touring musicians, though for many it is more like a greatest hits concert rather than producing new music.

210 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:57:08am

There is no confirmation that Jacintha Saldanha committed suicide. There has been no autopsy nor toxicology tests done yet. Right now it remains a "suspected suicide."

211 Mattand  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:57:50am

re: #90 Feline Fearless Leader

Bad news from the Feline Overlord front. He didn't make it.

The vet was able to get him rehydrated and by Wednesday his blood numbers for various toxins normally screened by the kidneys were back in range (from 8x normal down to about 1.5x normal.) However, whatever caused this, believed to be kidney stone(s) or an infection blocking kidney operation, caused enough permanent damage that his remaining kidney function was less than marginal. Which led to some further complications as well.

At which point the vet and I decided that putting him down was the best option at this point. He was warm and not in pain.

He had a very good run, and he will be missed.

At this point there are no plans for getting replacement Overlords until after the holiday travels are completed.

Image: Sherman.JPG

Condolences. Sorry to hear it. Been there myself, and it's never an easy time. Hang in there.

212 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:57:53am

re: #206 William Barnett-Lewis

As for royalty, meh, caring about them is a smaller vice than caring about foolish actors/actresses, musicians or WWE performers.

I absolutely disagree. Actors, musicians, etc. have actually done something to get the attention they got.

Royalty represent the idea that people are special because they are born to a certain bloodline, or marry that bloodline.

213 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:59:46am

re: #90 Feline Fearless Leader

Bad news from the Feline Overlord front. He didn't make it.

The vet was able to get him rehydrated and by Wednesday his blood numbers for various toxins normally screened by the kidneys were back in range (from 8x normal down to about 1.5x normal.) However, whatever caused this, believed to be kidney stone(s) or an infection blocking kidney operation, caused enough permanent damage that his remaining kidney function was less than marginal. Which led to some further complications as well.

At which point the vet and I decided that putting him down was the best option at this point. He was warm and not in pain.

He had a very good run, and he will be missed.

At this point there are no plans for getting replacement Overlords until after the holiday travels are completed.

Image: Sherman.JPG

:(

214 Destro  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:02:13am

re: #203 Obdicut

The GOP is at war with itself, as a few semi-sane people realize the Ayn Rand economics they've been pushing are starting to make people hate them.

I actually don't think demographics was alone in dooming the GOP presidential run. I think for a long time, the GOP message to its base was accepted as some sort of scientific economic gospel in that if we just let the rich keep more of their money and deregulate Wall Street, etc (let them do what they want how they want) that eventually, these "job creators" will use the money they kept and did not gove to the evil govt to give you working stiff white folks (good paying) jobs.

This trickle down will happen any minute now..just wait for it....and it never did. When the Great Recession hit under Bush, who deregulated and de-taxed the rich like never before suddenly, many people (some who are not even full Republicans but bought the less tax/less govt = jobs theory) realized they worshipped at the altar of a false ideological god.

Romney ran on a GOP greatest hits political message of the past (trickle down economics) and for the first time since the Reagan era introduced the concept the message was not accepted and will be less accepted as time goes forward. In fact, when Romney tried to link the term "trickle down" to Obama's vision of govt "trickle down govt" I knew right there and then the term and the ideology behind it was poisoned even for its base and the GOP knew it but was trying to re-brand it but could not figure out how to do it yet.

215 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:03:40am

re: #145 Varek Raith

Lunatic is a non-medical term.
We should be using proper terms.
;)

But they are so hard to pronounce sometimes.

216 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:06:55am

re: #154 Targetpractice

So, UE has come down for another month, down now to 7.7%, on better than expected jobs numbers.

You can hear the wingnut heads popping like champagne corks.

They're only fudging the number to help Obama win reelection!

217 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:07:40am

re: #215 Eventual Carrion

But they are so hard to pronounce sometimes.

((forget where I heard it ,, movie,, sitcom,, stand-up act,, but great line non the less))

"I'm not sure what exactly is wrong with you, but I bet it's hard to spell"
/

218 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:08:05am
219 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:09:15am

So it turns out that after all the condemnations and repudiations, the National Republican Senatorial Committee really did put big money behind Rep. Todd Akin’s (R) Missouri Senate bid.

Late Thursday night, USA Today reported the NRSC “pumped $760,000 into the Show-Me State” in the closing days of the Senate contest. That fits with late October speculation about the NRSC’s actions. The NRSC money went to the Missouri Republican Party’s federal campaign committee in two installments of $360,000 and $400,000 each, on Nov. 1 and Nov. 2, USA Today reported:

Because of the filing schedule for the FEC, those transactions on Akin’s behalf did not have to be publicly disclosed until after the election. At the time, the group refused to comment on the rumors it was helping Akin despite blanket condemnations and refusals to assist from NRSC and other establishment GOP leadership.

220 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:12:00am

And... Lalo Alcaraz is getting all transphobic about Ann Coulter on Twitter.

221 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:14:40am

re: #218 Gus

Darrell Issa home robbed of $100K jewelry:

Benghazi!
Obama is covering up for the thief! He hasn't even gone on TV to call the burglar a terrorist yet! Time to start another three or four hearings in Congress, we demand answers, the public has a right to know!

222 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:15:51am

re: #221 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Have the place scanned for bugs!

//

223 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:16:12am

re: #218 Gus

[Embedded content]

It was probably the guy he stole that car from.

224 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:18:01am
225 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:18:18am
226 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:20:52am

re: #212 Obdicut

I absolutely disagree. Actors, musicians, etc. have actually done something to get the attention they got.

Royalty represent the idea that people are special because they are born to a certain bloodline, or marry that bloodline.

Exactly. ^^

227 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:24:38am

Fox Nation website can't spell illiterate!

[Link: twitpic.com...]

228 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:27:59am

re: #222 Gus

Have the place scanned for bugs!

//

By now I am sure some conspiracy theorist has already posted somewhere about how Issa had top secret info stashed in his house. Stuff that would prove everything the wingnuts say about Benghazi and also that Obama was really born in Kenya and that Obama/Soros had it stolen.

Sigh...

229 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:29:01am
230 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:29:06am

re: #212 Obdicut

I absolutely disagree. Actors, musicians, etc. have actually done something to get the attention they got.

Royalty represent the idea that people are special because they are born to a certain bloodline, or marry that bloodline.

Eh, occasionally one of them, like William as a rescue helicopter pilot, does some good. Actors? Not so much.

231 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:30:01am

4th Annual Human Rights March and Concert

Taken at ‎מצעד זכויות האדם - כיכר רבין‎
Thousands took to the streets of Tel Aviv on December 7, 2012 for the fourth annual Human Rights March and Concert organized by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel.

232 efuseakay  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:33:31am

re: #181 Henchman Ghazi-808

Weird that raising taxes on the wealthy is seen as a drop in the bucket.

Turning that philosophy, social programs are as well.

The hypocrisy is putrid.

The thing is... Obama isn't raising taxes on the "wealthy". He's simply letting their tax breaks expire.

Odd how those Bush tax cuts to the wealthy didn't actually create jobs...

233 jaunte  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:33:40am

re: #227 bratwurst

Fox Nation website can't spell illiterate!

[Link: twitpic.com...]

And it's still up:
[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

234 efuseakay  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:36:02am

re: #233 jaunte

And it's still up:
[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

Saved!

235 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:36:46am

Live Updates: Egypt's opposition forces march on palace for 'ultimatum Friday'

19:10 Ahram Online’s Salma Shukrallah reports that protesters around the presidential palace have broken into the barbed wire surrounding the palace and are now marching towards it. Deployed security forces did nothing to stop them, she says. Meanwhile, reports say the presidential guard has removed the barbed wires and allowed protesters to approach after they began to breach it.

236 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:39:43am

re: #230 William Barnett-Lewis

Eh, occasionally one of them, like William as a rescue helicopter pilot, does some good. Actors? Not so much.

Can't agree with you there

Many actors/ singers/ entertainers give back HUGE

I remember as a kid back in the 50's and 60's seeing the Bob Hope specials where he and a troupe of Hollywood friends would give up their own at home holiday to be with the troops, no matter where they were

That type of tradition continues with todays entertainers

237 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:40:27am

re: #220 Gus

And... Lalo Alcaraz is getting all transphobic about Ann Coulter on Twitter.

He shrugged off my pushback.

238 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:41:02am

re: #237 wrenchwench

He shrugged off my pushback.

[Embedded content]

I missed that.

239 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:41:03am
240 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:41:43am

re: #237 wrenchwench

He shrugged off my pushback.

[Embedded content]

Found it. :D

241 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:42:11am

re: #205 Gus

Hmm, we got a "thanks for all the fish" comment.

Where?

242 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:42:31am

re: #239 sattv4u2

Arab spring summer fall winter?

Lather, rinse, repeat.

243 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:43:11am

re: #241 wrenchwench

Where?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

244 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:48:59am

Freaking stupid. Lalo Alcaraz is doubling down on stupid this morning.

245 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:53:49am

re: #244 Gus

Freaking stupid. Lalo Alcaraz is doubling down on stupid this morning.

He's getting more encouragement than discouragement.

246 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:54:54am

re: #245 wrenchwench

He's getting more encouragement than discouragement.

I noticed that.

247 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:57:20am

You have every right... and blah, blah, blah. Whatever.

248 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:58:18am

re: #247 Gus

You have every right... and blah, blah, blah. Whatever.

Meanwhile...

249 jaunte  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:58:59am

With the "naughty" taxers rendered in satanic red, of course.

250 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 10:06:15am

re: #248 wrenchwench

Meanwhile...

[Embedded content]

Egypt will be voting for the referendum on the 15th. Unfortunately, Egypt is a "red state" of sorts. They have a long way to go.

251 jaunte  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 10:06:33am

Gerrymandering the EC

GOP Resurrects Plan to Rig Electoral College

After Romney got walloped on November 6, Republicans want to change how electoral votes are awarded.

252 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 10:22:42am

re: #227 bratwurst

Fox Nation website can't spell illiterate!

[Link: twitpic.com...]

The Illiterati strike again!


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People wonder why the teamsters have a bad reputation
Try not being racist, homophobic, misogynistic vandals. May go a long way. The Teamsters picketers were already mad. By the time Top Chef host Padma Lakshmi's car pulled up to the Steel & Rye restaurant in the picturesque New England ...

1 hour, 8 minutes ago
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Rightwingconspirator
Ferguson Cop Pulls Gun on Photographer Who Was Asking Directions to the Media Area
What happen next is perhaps best described by Osterreicher himself: In contravention of all known and accepted firearms policies, the officer drew his weapon and pointed it at Mr. Lazarian in a threatening manner and then used it to ...

1 hour, 32 minutes ago
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CriticalDragon1177
Io9 - Everything You Need To Know About Lemuria, The Lost Continent Of Lemurs
Esther Inglis-Arkell talks about the weirdest lost continent myth, I've ever heard. Its the only one I know of that ever included giant telepathic lemurs. No seriously! In 1858 a young zoologist, playing around with an idea, came up with ...

3 hours, 53 minutes ago
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Randall Gross
U.S. Accuses Israel Police of Targeting Slain Palestinian Boy’s Family
The U.S. State Department on Wednesday accused Israel of having "singled out" for arrest members of the family of Mohammed Abu Khdeir, the Palestinian boy who was burned alive last month by Israeli Jews. The statement followed the arrest ...

7 hours, 5 minutes ago
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FemNaziBitch
Face It: The Abortion Battle Is Just About Sex- US News
The phony battle over certain kinds of birth control that are (often wrongly) called abortifacients is not about abortion. And much of the political fight about abortion isn't really about abortion, either. It's about whether women should be allowed ...

11 hours, 33 minutes ago
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Laughing Gas
Scumbag “HBD believer” claims Michael Brown charged officer
WARNING: LINK TO HATE SITE He links to some ijreview, a right wing site: This guy makes me sick.

3 days, 3 hours ago
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BadExampleMan
“Growth” and Some Jellyfish
This piece was basically just to use up some scraps I had sitting around. I liked the way the frit lace turned out but I didn't really have a use for it. I've been on a jellyfish kick lately. This ...

6 days, 17 hours ago
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Pie-onist Overlord
Police Investigating Whether Rabbi’s Miami Killing a Hate Crime
More: Police Investigating Whether Rabbi's Miami Killing a Hate Crime (Reuters) - Police in Miami investigating the killing of a 60-year-old Orthodox rabbi over the weekend said on Monday they haven't yet decided whether the shooting was a hate crime. ...

1 week, 3 days ago
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Romantic Heretic
The War Photo No One Would Publish
An interesting story on a photograph taken during Desert Storm that no news outlet in the US would publish. It is one of those photos that stares straight at the horror of war. It's hideous, stomach turning...and something that should ...

1 week, 5 days ago
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 Frank says:

Stupidity is the basic building block of the universe.