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Human-Toad Hybrid Dick Morris: “Wake Up White People!”

Dick figures it out
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Toe-sucking human-toad hybrid Dick Morris is still trying to figure out why Romney lost, and he’s finally starting to get a handle on it. Bottom line: “Wake up, white people!”

Now that all the data is in, the fundamental reason for Romney’s defeat is apparent, if largely unreported. It is not just that blacks, Latinos, and single women showed up in record numbers at the polls. It’s that whites didn’t.

The final numbers suggest that 91.6 million votes were cast by whites — seven million less than the 98.6 million that were cast in 2008! Meanwhile, 16.6 million blacks voted — 300,000 more than in 2008; 11 million Latinos voted — 1.7 million more votes than were cast by Hispanics in 2008.

We lost because whites stayed home!

Yeah - it wasn’t that the voters rejected the right wing agenda, it was a simple case of not enough white people! Because everyone knows that all Caucasians are wingnuts, right?

But wait. Maybe it wasn’t the sleeping white people. Maybe it was — Hurricane Sandy! Yeah, that’s it! The hurricane put all the white people to sleep!

Why didn’t whites vote and why didn’t we all spot it sooner?

Impact of Sandy.

There was no good national polling after Sandy struck. Gallup, for example, suspended its polling. At the last minute, it put together a national sample ’ with lots of disclaimers about the dangers of inaccuracies due to the difficulty of sampling storm-hit areas ’ and it showed a slight Romney lead.

Romney was, in fact, leading before Sandy and that his chances blew away in the storm with its famous bipartisan photo of Governor Chris Christie with Obama. And there was no way to measure the impact of Sandy since there could not logistically be any polling. Why was I wrong? I’m a pollster, not a meteorologist!

“Damn it Jim! I’m a Fox News shill, not a real pundit!”

But wait. Maybe it wasn’t the hurricane. Maybe it was — BAIN!

But the real question is why the support for Romney among whites was so shallow that the winds of Sandy blew it away. The answer lies in the fundamental strategic mistake the Romney campaign and the super PACs made in June and July ’ of not answering Obama’s Bain Capital attacks.

These withering attacks undermined Romney’s standing among white voters and led directly to their diminished turnout. The Romney campaign and the Super PACs were so wedded to their attack ads that they failed to realize that Bain posed a mortal threat to the credibility of their candidate.

And so we come full circle, back to “Wake up white people!” Wheels within wheels within endlessly spinning wheels. Dick Morris is clearly plugged in to the Fox News audience — racist and unapologetic, with the IQ of a blue soap dish.

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98 comments

1 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:54:21am

Well this white guy happily voted for Obama and has had enough of pricks like Morris telling us that we should be angry at women, Latinos, Blacks, Asians, etc for voting for Obama in large numbers. This is a representative democracy. If Morris doesn't like how people are voting then he has a problem with our system. Also, the woe to White people crap is the same crap pulled on Catholics and Jews in the first part of last century for daring to think and vote differently than the then White protestant majority. Enough of this victimhood crap.

2 Kragar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:55:27am
3 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:56:30am

re: #2 Kragar

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He also claimed that Romney was going to win in a landslide. Maybe he should stick to feet and stay out of politics because he clearly doesn't know shit about the reality of 2012 politics.

4 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:57:14am

Nominate for best LGF headline ever.

5 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:58:04am

I think what he is really trying to say is:

"White people should hate Obama because he is black!"

6 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:58:47am
But the real question is why the support for Romney among whites was so shallow that the winds of Sandy blew it away. The answer lies in the fundamental strategic mistake the Romney campaign and the super PACs made in June and July — of not answering Obama’s Bain Capital attacks.

So Romney was going to win in a landslide except that Romney basically sucked.

Can I have my million dollar pundit payment now?

7 Jan Smiddy  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:59:52am

And perhaps the fact that all that angry old man action leads to heart attacks and strokes. His demographic are basically dropping like flies. Good riddance.

8 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:00:06pm

re: #4 dragonfire1981

Nominate for best LGF headline ever.

Coming up next Human-Turtle Hybrid Mitch McConnell Filibusters Himself.

9 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:00:07pm
10 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:01:54pm

Gues what Dick! White People are making brown babies! And you know what else, THEY ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS.

11 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:02:21pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Separated at birth?

I see a resemblance.

12 joe g.  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:03:55pm

Why was Dick completely wrong in his predictions?

"It's not my fault! There was a flood! An earthquake! LOCUSTS!!"

13 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:04:37pm

re: #12 joe g.

Why was Dick completely wrong in his predictions?

"It's not my fault! There was a flood! An earthquake! LOCUSTS!!"

I think he has been drinking the wrong kool-aid.

14 Cinnabar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:04:56pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Separated at birth?

Clearly, the toad got the good looks.

15 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:05:32pm

re: #5 dragonfire1981

I think what he is really trying to say is:

"White people should hate Obama because he is black!"

16 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:05:44pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Separated at birth?

Wait, one is a fat bloated creature that started out crawling from a pond, croaks when it speaks and tends to piss all over itself when scared, the other is a toad. Not really seeing the resemblance.

17 Kragar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:06:00pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Separated at birth?

It explains why the folks at Fox News kept believing him.

18 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:06:05pm
Why was I wrong? I’m a pollster, not a meteorologist!

So now he has a third story for why his prediction of a Romney landslide was wrong? His last one was that he did it on purpose to make Republicans "feel more confident" which of course was nothing but self-serving bullshit. As if he would ever purposefully choose to fall on his sword and ruin his reputation as a pundit "for the good of the party."

Now he can't even remember his own lie and comes up with a new excuse? What a stupid sleazebag.

19 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:06:06pm

Whenever I see Dick Morris on TV I keep expecting his tongue to shoot out and catch a fly.

20 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:06:09pm

re: #15 TedStriker

I still say that movie has become prescient.

21 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:08:35pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Whenever I see Dick Morris on TV I keep expecting his tongue to shoot out and catch a fly.

LOL, Now that is all I'm going to see too!!!!!

22 Cinnabar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:08:39pm

re: #12 joe g.

Why was Dick completely wrong in his predictions?

"It's not my fault! There was a flood! An earthquake! LOCUSTS!!"

And speaking of floods, earthquakes and locusts, I've been wondering why all the godly types speak of divine retribution (or "messages") in floods and earthquakes (there aren't any locusts left in this part of the globe), but haven't asked themselves what it says about their world-view that God sent Sandy to blow Obama into the White House. If I'm ever standing in front of a camera with one of those types, I'll be sure to ask.

23 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:09:36pm

You know, I don't remember any Obama personell talking about skin color.

24 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:09:38pm

re: #20 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I still say that movie has become prescient.

Hedley Lamarr as a proto-Mitt, with a bit of Governor Le Petomane thrown in for good measure?

Very feasible.

25 dragonath  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:11:49pm

Speaking of Dick...

Dick Morris and His Super PAC

Media Matters reports Dick Morris "aggressively fundraised for a super PAC he advised, which then apparently funneled money back to Morris through rentals of his email list."

FEC data shows Morris' Super PAC for America paid Newsmax Media roughly $1.7 million for "fundraising" and a "significant portion of the super PAC's money likely went to renting Morris' own email list, which is operated by Newsmax Media."

26 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:12:08pm
27 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:12:16pm
28 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:12:19pm

re: #23 Holidays are Family Fun Time

You know, I don't remember any Obama personell talking about skin color.

President Obama and the Dems are post-racial.

The GOP is just racial(ist).

29 Skip Intro  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:13:29pm

Looks like the toesucker has decided going Full Metal Wingnut is the best way to get his Fox gig back.

30 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:13:53pm

They want a race war.

31 Jolo5309  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:13:56pm

Being serious here for a minute, couldn't the reduction in the number of older white voters be because they died off?

Or they were standing in line for Black Friday...

32 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:13:59pm

re: #24 TedStriker

Hedley Lamarr as a proto-Mitt?

Very feasible.

Don't forget Governor William J. Le Petomane as...well...most republican congressmen?

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33 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:14:17pm
34 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:15:05pm
35 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:15:14pm

They spray down the set with wartifacient solutions after each appearance.

36 Alexzander  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:15:27pm

re: #30 Holidays are Family Fun Time

They want a race war.

Maybe Charles Manson was ahead of his time. He could have made a good 'visionary' sidekick to the likes of Morris and Glenn Beck.
Helter Skelter!

37 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:16:18pm

Boom!

38 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:16:32pm

re: #34 Gus

I don't know if I should be happy about this or terrified.

39 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:16:36pm

re: #36 Alexzander

Maybe Charles Manson was ahead of his time. He could have made a good 'visionary' sidekick to the likes of Morris and Glenn Beck.
Helter Skelter!

Seriously! A comparison of their rants would be interesting.

40 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:16:40pm

re: #32 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Don't forget Governor William J. Le Petomane as...well...most republican congressmen?

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Refresh my post for an addition.

41 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:19:54pm

SCOTUS is taking up Prop 8. This will be interesting.

42 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:20:02pm

re: #37 Gus


right now on MSNBC their court guy is signalling that this may not bode well for SSM.

43 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:20:37pm

re: #42 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

right now on MSNBC their court guy is signalling that this may not bode well for SSM.

Oh jeez. We won't know until they make a decision.

44 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:21:14pm

O.T.
Something to taunt the online homophobes with that is almost guaranteed to get a rise out of them...

*warning slightly risque drawing, possibly NSFW*
Liberty and Justice!

"Why yes, I do stand for the Bill of Rights with Liberty and Justice..."

45 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:21:14pm

re: #34 Gus

Oh shit.

Knowing the 5 chucklefucks, they will likely declare Gay Marriage unconstitutional or some other bullshit.

The 5 being Thomas, Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Kennedy.

46 dragonath  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:22:05pm

Hard to trust anything coming out of the Supreme Court with that religious weirdo Alito on the bench

47 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:22:38pm

Hearings in March... decision in June. Got a ways to go.

48 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:22:53pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Hypnotoad.

49 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:23:22pm

re: #46 dragonath

If we had a sane nation, we would impeach Scalia and Thomas for corruption.

50 Skip Intro  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:23:33pm

Has Thomas ever been on the opposite side of a decision than Scalia?

51 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:23:39pm

Scotusblog:

The Court has announced that it will review the constitutionality of both the federal Defense of Marriage Act and California’s Proposition 8. The Court did not act today on the petition involving a challenge to Arizona’s Section O.

More orders expected on Monday

52 dragonath  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:24:56pm
53 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:26:47pm
54 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:27:36pm

It is the parts of the cases under which the court has agreed to hear them that are worrying.

Prop. 8 is granted on the petition question — whether 14th Am. bars Calif. from defining marriage in traditional way. Plus an added question: Whether the backers of Prop.. 8 have standing in the case under Art. III.

then in DOMA (Windsor)

In Windsor, the government petition (12-307) is the one granted. In addition to the petition question — whether Sec. 3 of DOMA violates equal protection under 5th Amendment, there are two other questions: does the fact that government agreed with the 2d CA decision deprive the Court of jurisdiction to hear and decide the case, and whether BLAG (House GOP leaders) has Art. III standing in this case.

55 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:29:26pm
56 Gus  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:29:34pm

bbl

57 andres  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:29:46pm

re: #11 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I see a resemblance.

I don't really see the resemblance. One is a slimy, bug-eyed creature. The other is merely an amphibian.

58 andres  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:30:25pm

re: #16 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Wait, one is a fat bloated creature that started out crawling from a pond, croaks when it speaks and tends to piss all over itself when scared, the other is a toad. Not really seeing the resemblance.

Dang, better than mine. :P

59 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:31:20pm
60 Kragar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:36:54pm

hilarious counseling statements to and from Army superiors

8.) I will attempt to convince REMFs scurrying around Major FOBs that the big loud boom really is actually outgoing artillery fire, instead of letting them all scream and run for cover away from the line so I get my food at Burger King quicker.

10.) I understand that the US army did not go to velcro name tapes for my personal amusement, so swapping out higher officer's body armor with derogatory names and then running a pool on how long it will take them to notice is completely unprofessional, undermines the chain of command, and destroys discipline.

11.) I understand that using incoming indirect fire's effect of emptying the chow hall of all personnel as an occasion to loot the Baskin Robbins cart of several entire tubs of ice cream for the platoon does not count as "coordinating fire support assets into a daring maneuver plan to seize a high value target of opportunity" and should not be added to my OER support form.

15.) I fully agree that the appropriate answer to a First Sergeant is never, "What are they going to do, shave my head and send me to Iraq, again?" Even if he laughs his ass off.

19.) At what fucking point did it occur to you that it was a good idea to abandon your mortar tubes during the CMTC live fire so that your platoon could catch frogs in the pond?

27.) Nick, first of all why do you know all the lyrics to the cheer from Bring it On? Second, and most importantly, why did you think it was appropriate to teach your whole platoon the song and choreography from that film and perform it at a serious Task Force event?

61 efuseakay  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:38:35pm

re: #2 Kragar

***Once Romney gains a lead from the convention, I don't think he's going to relinquish it. #RomneyRyan2012
— Dick Morris (@DickMorrisTweet) August 27, 2012***

Geez. Get it right!

62 efuseakay  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:39:25pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Separated at birth?

Poor toad looks like a Dick.

63 Kragar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:42:30pm

Swanson and Ham: Young Earth Creationists at ‘Omaha Beach in the War of the Worldviews’

Ham recently lashed out at televangelist Pat Robertson after Right Wing Watch reported Robertson’s rejection of the idea that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. In his interview with Swanson, Ham accused churches and Christian colleges of “open[ing] the door to allow the philosophy of naturalism, and evolution, millions of years, to permeate into God’s word,” warning, “If we don’t shut that door, we’re going to lose this culture, America will be the England and Europe of tomorrow.”

“As you write this book,” Swanson asked, “Do you get the sense that you are effectively very, very close to Omaha Beach in the war of the worldviews?”

In this case the YEC would be playing the Germans.

64 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:43:20pm

re: #54 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I've been monitoring the reaction over at FR, and they seem quite convinced that the Supreme Court will rule in favor of SSM, most likely a 5-4 decision in favor of SSM.

65 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:52:03pm

IN reading Robert Caro's series of books on LBJ, one thing that stood out was LBJ and other politican's struggle to bring rural Texas into the 20th century. LBJ not only did this for politican gain, but because he saw and lived it first hand. Poverty, ignorance were rampant and exploitation was the result many times.

Now, it looks as if they are working to take it back to pre-LBJ days.

66 Kragar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:52:04pm

Joyner: 'I'm Not Convinced That the Election Was Not Stolen'

Citing a 2006 paper from Princeton University revealing that electronic voting machines could be easily hacked, Joyner declared that he has heard lots of anecdotal evidence about voting machines changing votes cast for Mitt Romney and giving them to Barack Obama. On top of that, Joyner is sure that the implementation of Voter ID laws in Indiana and North Carolina was instrumental in swinging those states away from Obama, who won them in 2008, to Romney this year. Add to that stories about buses full of non-English speaking voters being driving from precinct to precinct to cast votes for Obama coupled with stories of entire precincts not registering a single vote for Romney and it is pretty obvious that the election was fraudulent, which means that President Obama's second term is entirely illegitimate:

67 darthstar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:53:37pm

re: #64 Dr Lizardo

I've been monitoring the reaction over at FR, and they seem quite convinced that the Supreme Court will rule in favor of SSM, most likely a 5-4 decision in favor of SSM.

Kennedy is the key vote, and he's been anti-discrimination in the past. I think it'll be a positive judgment, but I also suspect they'll narrow the scope of it so it doesn't legalize SSM nationwide...one of those something for everyone verdicts.

68 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:54:53pm

re: #64 Dr Lizardo

SCOTUSblog has a good "plain english" article about the issues that are being brought before the court in these cases. This was written before the court decided to hear these two cases (there were ten possible on SSM, but eight of them were all brought under the same legal argument) so it does not just specifically address them.

[Link: www.scotusblog.com...]

69 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:56:13pm

re: #67 darthstar

Kennedy is the key vote, and he's been anti-discrimination in the past. I think it'll be a positive judgment, but I also suspect they'll narrow the scope of it so it doesn't legalize SSM nationwide...one of those something for everyone verdicts.

They may decide that the challengers to the court decision on prop 8 lack standing. That'd be kind of a non-decision that'd let them punt it back to the lower ruling.

70 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:56:23pm

I have a hard time figuring how the Court can find any Constitutional basis for denying SSM. There just isn't any reference to anything in the document.

I can only think of mixed-race and polygamy being addressed. I'm not even sure about mixed-race.

71 S'latch  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:56:36pm

I would like to tell him, "Hey, Dick. I am a white guy. I didn't stay home. I voted for Obama. I am glad I did, too. He has done a fairly good job."

72 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:58:25pm

re: #68 watching you tiny alien kittens are

SCOTUSblog has a good "plain english" article about the issues that are being brought before the court in these cases. This was written before the court decided to hear these two cases (there were ten possible on SSM, but eight of them were all brought under the same legal argument) so it does not just specifically address them.

[Link: www.scotusblog.com...]

Ah, they are making it a States Right's issue.

Now isn't that a kick in the pants to the GOP.

73 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:58:46pm

re: #71 S'latch

I would like to tell him, "Hey, Dick. I am a white guy. I didn't stay home. I voted for Obama. I am glad I did, too. He has done a fairly good job."

Me too, except for the 'guy' part. Substitute 'gal'.

74 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:00:09pm

re: #71 S'latch

I would like to tell him, "Hey, Dick. I am a white guy. I didn't stay home. I voted for Obama. I am glad I did, too. He has done a fairly good job."

There's a lot of us who are tired of being told that we have to resent minorities because they vote Democratic. Fuck Morris. He only has a gig because the networks love the jilted follower angle. If he isn't stupid enough to get caught with a prostitute then he's just another former Clinton adviser who no one gives a shit about and won't give an audience to.

75 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:00:30pm

Our old pal Barrett Browne is in a shitload of trouble
Texas Man Linked to Anonymous Faces More Charges

A Texas man who has described himself as a spokesman for the hacker-activist group Anonymous faces new charges over data stolen from the private intelligence firm Stratfor last Christmas.

Federal prosecutors said Friday that Barrett Brown was indicted on a dozen charges that include aggravated identity theft and device fraud. The 31-year-old Dallas man already was in federal custody after being indicted in October for allegedly making threats on the Internet to an FBI agent.
...
According to the U.S. attorney's office, Brown made public an Internet link providing access to credit card information and other data stolen from Stratfor.

76 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:04:15pm

Hey, Toad-Dick, Jon Huntsman is white and he could have won, but your demented base wouldn't give him the time of day.

77 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:05:04pm

re: #69 Obdicut

That's probably the path they'll take if a plurality can't come to an agreement. They'll see whether the parties had standing to bring the suit - wait until a determination is made at the lower court levels, and then watch the cases simmer back up to the SCt at a later date.

If the liberal wing on the Court goes with this approach, it could be because they see that reactions to SSM has moderated and become accepted more and more - the trend is in their favor.

If the conservative wing goes with this approach, it could be to avoid having to make a decision that would restrict rights.

They might both agree to punt this down the road, to a point in time when the political makeup on the Court differs, or when views nationally shift even more towards acceptance of SSM.


re: #70 Holidays are Family Fun Time

The first case - the Prop 8 measure was one where voters may have overriden Constitutional Equal Protection rights of SS couples.

The second of the cases - the one dealing with federal benefits being denied to SS couples would also have Equal Protection as part of the argument.

So, in other words - there would be sufficient constitutional authority to uphold SSM in both measures. The only way to say that they aren't entitled to those rights is to narrowly find that the law or actions by the parties wasn't valid by some other reason (standing to sue for instance). The other possibility is that someone like Scalia or Thomas would claim that there's no right because it's not in the plain language of the Constitution nor is there anything like this that was intended by the Founders (originalism/literalism-based arguments).

78 nines09  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:08:17pm

It's an insult to the toad.

79 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:09:07pm

re: #70 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Same here. The arguments against SSM I've always heard/read are religious or moral objections. I've never heard a legal reason for denying SSM, and personally, I can't even imagine a constitutional reason for denying SSM, especially given the notion of "equal protection under the law" unless the Supreme Court wants to define LGBT's as second-class citizens, enjoying some rights but not others.

I guess we'll all have to wait and see.

80 Amory Blaine  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:09:25pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Well this white guy happily voted for Obama and has had enough of pricks like Morris telling us that we should be angry at women, Latinos, Blacks, Asians, etc for voting for Obama in large numbers. This is a representative democracy. If Morris doesn't like how people are voting then he has a problem with our system. Also, the woe to White people crap is the same crap pulled on Catholics and Jews in the first part of last century for daring to think and vote differently than the then White protestant majority. Enough of this victimhood crap.

secede!!!111!!!Ty!!!!!

81 Amory Blaine  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:10:42pm

It does fit in with republican doctrine. You know, Americans are so lazy they stayed home.

82 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:11:03pm

re: #72 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Ah, they are making it a States Right's issue.

Now isn't that a kick in the pants to the GOP.

re: #77 lawhawk

Looks like the House Republican leadership is already trying to game which DOMA case should be brought up before the SCOTUS and which justices will be empaneled to hear it:

As same-sex marriage became more common, gay and lesbian couples began to go to court to challenge DOMA, arguing that it was unconstitutional because it deprived married same-sex couples of the federal benefits available to their opposite-sex counterparts. Like the George W. Bush administration before it, the Obama administration initially defended the law against the challenges. However, in February of last year, the Department of Justice notified the courts that it would no longer defend the law. Instead, that role fell to the Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group (BLAG) of the House of Representatives, which for purposes of the DOMA challenges is made up exclusively of Republican House leaders and is represented by former Solicitor General Paul Clement – who also argued against the federal government in the challenges to the Affordable Care Act and S.B. 1070.
[...]
Given the high stakes and strong feelings in the DOMA cases, it probably isn’t surprising that the different players in the cases do not agree on which case the Court should take; like Goldilocks’s chair, each side thinks that the Court should grant review in the case that is (at least from its perspective) “just right.” To the extent that facts matter to the Court, the Windsor case is arguably very compelling, and so the federal government has urged the Court to grant its petition in that case, with the Golinski case as an alternative. By contrast, BLAG contends that procedural complications – such as the fact that both Windsor and the federal government won in the lower courts – make the Windsor case a poor choice. Instead, BLAG has told the Court, it should grant its petition in one of the First Circuit cases.

Layered on top of the choice of cases is one more complication: the role of Justice Kagan. Based on papers that she submitted during her confirmation process, if the Court were to grant the government or BLAG’s petitions for review of the First Circuit’s decision, she would recuse herself from the case (and the closely related Massachusetts case) because she was involved in an earlier stage when she was the Solicitor General. Significantly, Justice Kagan did not mention any involvement in the Second Circuit case, so she would not recuse herself from those cases if the Court were to grant one of those petitions instead.

Even so, given how closely divided the Court could be on DOMA, as in the health care cases we may still hear a steady drumbeat of calls for her to recuse from all of the DOMA cases because she worked on that “issue” for the Obama administration. But the Justices have never applied such a loose standard for recusal, recognizing that it is important to have a full bench of nine members whenever possible.

[Link: www.scotusblog.com...]

83 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:12:42pm

Thanks for the advice, Dick.

But if "waking up" means being on the same side as you, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Rick Scott, Jan Brewer, Steve King, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Sarah Palin, Louie Gohmert and a cast of thousands, I'd much prefer to stay asleep.

84 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:21:09pm

re: #72 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Ah, they are making it a States Right's issue.

Now isn't that a kick in the pants to the GOP.

In the Windsor case that they agreed to hear a woman who went to Canada to marry her long time partner later inherited her estate. Because of DOMA the woman had to pay $400,000 in estate taxes that she would not have had to pay if the Feds recognized her marriage.

Discrimination under the law? Sure sounds like it.

85 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:22:43pm

Looked up what happened to Bani Walid since the siege:

Witnesses said that many civilians are being killed by shelling, while houses were engulfed in flames. Many reports after the fall of the city claimed that pro-government militias used internationally prohibited weapons, white phosphorus bombs and nerve gas. Local people found the missiles militias used contaminated with white phosphorus. Used gas masks which were found on pro-government positions and the hospital reports say that civilians in Bani Walid have been bombed with gas.

This is what uncontrolled vengeance looks like. This is essentially a less total version of what happened to Diriyah about 200 years ago.

86 aagcobb  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:24:39pm

re: #45 ProGunLiberal

Oh shit.

Knowing the 5 chucklefucks, they will likely declare Gay Marriage unconstitutional or some other bullshit.

The 5 being Thomas, Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Kennedy.

Kennedy is basically a libertarian. He wrote the opinion that Colorado couldn't amend its Constitution to deny LGBT protection from discrimination. He also wrote the opinion that anti-sodomy laws are unconstitutional. This doesn't necessarily mean that he will find that the government has to allow them to marry, however.

87 Cinnabar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:33:06pm

re: #81 Amory Blaine

It does fit in with republican doctrine. You know, Americans are so lazy they stayed home.

But only the 53%! Those lazy, shiftless pissants living off the government dole went out and... wait, never mind.

88 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:36:02pm

re: #84 watching you tiny alien kittens are

In the Windsor case that they agreed to hear a woman who went to Canada to marry her long time partner later inherited her estate. Because of DOMA the woman had to pay $400,000 in estate taxes that she would not have had to pay if the Feds recognized her marriage.

Discrimination under the law? Sure sounds like it.

Interesting about Canada. I've gone through the whole inheriting process this year. It didn't to seem to matter in a will what relationships of the parties involved married or not. You all pay the same tax rate..( I think )
It's mostly lawyers doing all the work. For me everything under 100,000 was tax free. And then it goes up 1% progressively from there. so you could end up paying big cash after 100k. I guess that all changes 1-1-13.

89 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:42:12pm

re: #85 ProGunLiberal

Looked up what happened to Bani Walid since the siege:

This is what uncontrolled vengeance looks like. This is essentially a less total version of what happened to Diriyah about 200 years ago.

They got off fairly lightly at first for backing the wrong side during the revolution, usually people backing the wrong side in these things get dealt with pretty harshly.

But then they had to tempt fate by making more trouble and kidnapping and killing people? I imagine that the forces that retook the town were thinking of teaching them a harsh enough lesson to keep them from making more trouble in the future.

Reality can be pretty harsh at times, especially during civil wars and periods of relative lawlessness.

90 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:47:29pm

re: #88 A Man for all Seasons

Interesting about Canada. I've gone through the whole inheriting process this year. It didn't to seem to matter in a will what relationships of the parties involved married or not. You all pay the same tax rate..( I think )
It's mostly lawyers doing all the work. For me everything under 100,000 was tax free. And then it goes up 1% progressively from there. so you could end up paying big cash after 100k. I guess that all changes 1-1-13.

They got married back when the only option for Gays was to go to Canada for the ceremony. The point here is that under section III of DOMA it wouldn't matter if they were married by a state here or married in Canada, the FED is legally restricted from recognizing SSM for the purposes of taxes or benefits.

91 Destro  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 2:06:15pm
Whites Stayed Home And Re-Elected Obama

Maybe the demographics realized the GOP ideology actually abused and exploited them and that "trickle down" economics where the rich were job creators if they paid less taxes and were deregulated did not not seem to actually work out for them.

Maybe while this white demographics had jobs, even without salary raises to match the growth of the rich or cost of living and they now needed the wives to make a second income to maintain the middle class lifestyle their dad's old one job salary could handle, they never noticed they were getting poorer or thought any day now 'trickle down" will work and the rich will have so much more money they will give us whites awesome jobs or raises as a thank you now that we are taxing them so little - when that did not happen when the economy collapsed under Bush (despite low taxes and regulations), maybe just maybe they realized they were suckered by Reaganomics and they had been worshiping at an altar of a false god by the GOP....

Maybe that is why some of the whites stayed home........

92 Skip Intro  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 2:45:04pm

re: #63 Kragar

And just as, you know, when the Israelites crossed the Jordan river and there were 12 stones to remind the next generation of what God did and what did we find? They weren’t reminded, the next generation, they lost it in one generation

On the other hand, sometimes 12 stones are just 12 stones. I would think that the god who created everything could do better than that.

93 Destro  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:07:16pm

re: #92 Skip Intro

On the other hand, sometimes 12 stones are just 12 stones. I would think that the god who created everything could do better than that.

There were probably no 12 tribes. When the mythology was written down they took as inspiration the Babylonian zodiac and created "12 tribes". Same with the 12 disciples and the 12 gods of pantheons, etc.

94 funky chicken  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:40:29pm
But the real question is why the support for Romney among whites was so shallow that the winds of Sandy blew it away. The answer lies in the fundamental strategic mistake the Romney campaign and the super PACs made in June and July ’ of not answering Obama’s Bain Capital attacks.

These withering attacks undermined Romney’s standing among white voters and led directly to their diminished turnout. The Romney campaign and the Super PACs were so wedded to their attack ads that they failed to realize that Bain posed a mortal threat to the credibility of their candidate.

White people don't like greedy vulture capitalists who send their jobs to third world countries? Weird.

95 Jaerik  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:02:24pm

re: #70 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I have a hard time figuring how the Court can find any Constitutional basis for denying SSM. There just isn't any reference to anything in the document.

I can only think of mixed-race and polygamy being addressed. I'm not even sure about mixed-race.

Scalia already signaled he would vote against gay marriage under the "originalist" argument. He assumes the founding fathers thought it was icky, so it's icky.

96 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:07:28pm

re: #95 Jaerik

Scalia already signaled he would vote against gay marriage under the "originalist" argument. He assumes the founding fathers thought it was icky, so it's icky.

This may be the most succinct and cogent dismantling of "original intent" interpretation that I've seen thus far. Bravo.

Somehow, the founders, being conveniently dead and all, never rise up from their graves to contradict the opinion of the "originalist" interpreter. It's like post-modern lit-crit masquerading as legal thinking.

97 BroncD  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:08:11pm

"Why was I wrong?"

Uh, because you're always wrong?

98 Mich-again  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:43:20pm

It sure is a mystery to Dick Morris why all those white people who were supposed to vote for Romney didn't do it. It's pretty simple to me. Romney was a shitty candidate who ran a poor campaign. Did Dick consider that possibility?


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