Overnight Video: Climate 101 - Narration by Bill Nye

Venezuela president Hugo #Chávez says his cancer has returned; names vice president to be successor. nyti.ms/UNcrxd
— Jim Roberts (@nytjim) December 9, 2012

freetoken Sat, Dec 8, 2012 9:47:38pm

Typhoon Bopha is still wrecking havoc in the Philippines:

Weakened typhoon set to make second landfall in Philippines

[Link: www.wunderground.com...]

Gus Sat, Dec 8, 2012 9:49:05pm

re: #8 freetoken

Typhoon Bopha is still wrecking havoc in the Philippines:

Weakened typhoon set to make second landfall in Philippines

[Link: www.wunderground.com...]

It's turned back too.

freetoken Sat, Dec 8, 2012 9:51:33pm

I hope none of us expected post-election that the wingnuts would scale back on the over-the-top hyperbolic rhetoric about how President Obama wants to destroy the US:

Emperor Obama overreaches

President Obama went over the constitutional cliff this past week, demanding more power than the U.S. Constitution allows any president to have. All Americans — regardless of party affiliation — should shudder at the president’s attempted power grab and say no. Compromising on taxes and spending is fine, but not on the nation’s bedrock principles.

[...]

freetoken Sat, Dec 8, 2012 9:56:45pm

Just a reminder that many fields of science are not beyond the reach of their political overlords to influence the field:

Archaeologists Fear Their Work in Jerusalem May Be Tainted by Settler Politics

Tigger2 Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:06:49pm

re: #10 freetoken

I hope none of us expected post-election that the wingnuts would scale back on the over-the-top hyperbolic rhetoric about how President Obama wants to destroy the US:

Emperor Obama overreaches

The stupid never stops.

allegro Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:08:23pm

re: #11 freetoken

Just a reminder that many fields of science are not beyond the reach of their political overlords to influence the field:

Archaeologists Fear Their Work in Jerusalem May Be Tainted by Settler Politics

No field of science is beyond politics. Scientific research is funded by grants which are earned by schmoozing as much as by merits.

Kragar Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:08:49pm

re: #12 Tigger2

The stupid never stops.

Speaking of which...

Stern: we're the first society ever where a symptom of poverty is obesity.
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) December 8, 2012

Because High Fructose Corn syrup costs a hell of a lot less than actual food.

Tigger2 Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:11:25pm

re: #14 Kragar

Speaking of which...

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Because High Fructose Corn syrup costs a hell of a lot less than actual food.

What do you expect from people that don't believe in science or have any common sense.

Kragar Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:16:57pm

re: #15 Tigger2

What do you expect from people that don't believe in science or have any common sense.

I expect them to shut the fuck up and keep the fuck out of the way.

allegro Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:18:53pm

re: #14 Kragar

Speaking of which...

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Because High Fructose Corn syrup costs a hell of a lot less than actual food.

I was reading earlier about Cory Booker's current experience of living for a week on food stamps. I had to laugh at his choices of food choices with his weekly budget. He chose fresh veggies and now on his 4th day he's hurting with 3 days left. Of course he is. He based his purchases on today's "healthy" food choices of fresh veggies, the foods he's used to.

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:19:24pm

Why you should quit your job and get rich living on welfare...

Insane: we're spending $168 a day for every household in poverty. MEDIAN INCOME IS $137 A DAY. weeklystandard.com/blogs/welfare-...
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) December 7, 2012

Proving yet again that there are "lies, damned lies, and statistics" especially when it comes to numbers ginned up by the congressional GOP.

A Man for all Seasons Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:22:03pm

re: #16 Kragar

I expect them to shut the fuck up and keep the fuck out of the way.

It's really beyond belief in this day and age that people don't get science and try to use it for political gain.

Tigger2 Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:22:13pm

re: #18 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Why you should quit your job and get rich living on welfare...

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Proving yet again that there are "lies, damned lies, and statistics" especially when it comes to numbers ginned up by the congressional GOP.

I would like to see all those stupid fuckers try to live off of SS Disability benefits just for one year and say that.

freetoken Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:29:42pm

I put up a Page with another video , which is getting a lot of play this week.

Varek Raith Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:33:25pm

Youtube Video

dragonath Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:37:06pm

re: #22 Varek Raith

[Link: annoyingbillnye.ytmnd.com...]

A Man for all Seasons Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:38:05pm

I know it's Sat night but I didn't venture out..Hanging at home with a 1000 TV stations and not a dang thing on. Even the science and nature channels suck tonight. Guess I'll rent a movie..
Hope you folks are well

bratwurst Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:38:25pm

re: #23 dragonath

[Link: annoyingbillnye.ytmnd.com...]

Boy, does that link live up to its name!

allegro Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:40:41pm

re: #24 A Man for all Seasons

I know it's Sat night but I didn't venture out..Hanging at home with a 1000 TV station and not a dang thing on. Even the science and nature channels suck tonight. Guess I'll rent a movie..
Hope you folks are well

I rented Prometheus. Not really uplifting.:/

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:45:28pm

What happens when you take five die hard U.K. creationists on a road trip to America to meet scientists and look at evidence for evolution? This 57 minute episode of the BBC's "Conspiracy Road Trip" does just that. ;)

Youtube Video

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:47:20pm

re: #26 allegro

I rented Prometheus. Not really uplifting.:/

That movie was pretty disappointing, just plain bad really.

freetoken Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:48:16pm

re: #24 A Man for all Seasons

Well, you could always watch the video I just put up!

Most theatrical releases I find disappointing, thus I mostly watch documentaries.

freetoken Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:49:13pm

re: #27 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Be sure also to read up on the backstory!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:50:35pm

re: #29 freetoken

Well, you could always watch the video I just put up!

Most theatrical releases I find disappointing, thus I mostly watch documentaries.

No, he should watch the BBC show I just put up!

lol j/k

Kragar Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:56:21pm

re: #28 watching you tiny alien kittens are

That movie was pretty disappointing, just plain bad really.

On the bright side, there were some hysterically funny reviews of it when it came out.

A Man for all Seasons Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:56:24pm

re: #31 watching you tiny alien kittens are

No, he should watch the BBC show I just put up!

lol j/k

/

LOL.. For hours now I've scanned a 1000 shows cause they mostly suck..Click..Click..Click.and read here at LGF. ( great posts ). It's been a relaxing night at home with Winston.

Kragar Sat, Dec 8, 2012 11:05:13pm

re: #33 A Man for all Seasons

LOL.. For hours now I've scanned a 1000 shows cause they mostly suck..Click..Click..Click.and read here at LGF. ( great posts ). It's been a relaxing night at home with Winston.

The problem with being a film buff is that I can usually tell how the film is going to play out after the first 15 minutes.

kirkspencer Sat, Dec 8, 2012 11:07:30pm

re: #18 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Why you should quit your job and get rich living on welfare...

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Proving yet again that there are "lies, damned lies, and statistics" especially when it comes to numbers ginned up by the congressional GOP.

That article is so full of lies it's almost impossible to believe it doesn't burst into fire. Means tested welfare is larger than Defense, Social Security, or Medicare?

Oh, wait. I see, it's Session's staff which used numbers from various agencies, piled them together, and pretended every single possible recipient gets all the possible benefits - not the ones they're qualified to receive but all of them.

The only question is whether it was malice or stupidity. Both, unfortunately, are possible with that office.

prairiefire Sat, Dec 8, 2012 11:10:30pm

re: #34 Kragar

The problem with being a film buff is that I can usually tell how the film is going to play out after the first 15 minutes.

I agree. That's why something like "Adaptation" or "Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind" really stick out for their creativity. Thank goodness for Wes Anderson movies. Now I have a way to explain my mom, a nerdy, brilliant eccentric like Anderson in many ways.

freetoken Sat, Dec 8, 2012 11:23:45pm

re: #34 Kragar

The problem with being a film buff is that I can usually tell how the film is going to play out after the first 15 minutes.

Another reason why I watch documentaries - where one usually knows how it "is going to play out" but the purpose of watching is trying to figure out how and why.

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Dec 8, 2012 11:38:43pm

Just back from my quick Sunday wee morning hours raid on the Walgreens half a block away. They start new weekly sales every Sunday and I like to get in and see what they have before the older retirees pick the shelves clean after sun-up. This week...

Progresso soups 4 for $5.00 (got 8)
Campbells Chunky soup 2 for $5.00 (got 4)
Three kinds of Cheerios $1.99 per box (got 3)
Red Baron deluxe pizzas 3 for $10.00 (got 3)
Starbucks 12oz ground coffee $5.99 (got 2)
Coke 12 packs 3 for $10.00 (got 3)

Decent bargains, plus I had built up enough points so I got a $10.00 off my next purchase of $35.00 or more coupon. (Their new "rewards card" thing really pays if you shop there as much as I do) Overall a successfully cheap use of 15 minutes or so. :)

darthstar Sat, Dec 8, 2012 11:40:34pm

Hasa Diga Eebaway, everyone. Just got home from Book of Mormon...funny shit. For those who don't know the plot, some young Mormon missionaries get sent to Uganda and when they first start trying to convert the locals, they're taught the local saying for when people fall on hard tmes, "Hasa Diga Eebaway" (think the Kuna Matada song from Lion King)
My wife and kids they all have AIDS,
Hasa Diga Eebaway!
It hasn't rained for seven weeks,
Hasa Diga Eebaway!
Nice, upbeat song, and the missionaries join in until one asks what it means, and a man explains, "Eebaway, that is god, and hasa diga, in English you would say, "Fuck you!""

Shit just gets funnier after that. And it was educational...I didn't know Joseph Smith cured himself of AIDS by fucking a frog.

freetoken Sat, Dec 8, 2012 11:42:44pm

re: #38 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Just back from my quick Sunday morning raid on the Walgreens half a block away. ...

Campbells Chunky soup 2 for $5.00 (got 4)

...

That sounds a bit expensive to me. I was just in my local Vons (the Safeway owned brand here in SoCal) tonight and saw that they had the C.C. soup on sale for half price - $1.40 vs. the regular $2.79.

Prices on these things fluctuate wildly this time of year, I gather.

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Dec 8, 2012 11:48:18pm

re: #40 freetoken

I usually see them at $2.89 around here. I pay attention because I happen to really like their clam chowder.

darthstar Sat, Dec 8, 2012 11:48:52pm

WTF? Paquaio knocked out in round five?

lostlakehiker Sat, Dec 8, 2012 11:56:53pm

re: #10 freetoken

I hope none of us expected post-election that the wingnuts would scale back on the over-the-top hyperbolic rhetoric about how President Obama wants to destroy the US:

Emperor Obama overreaches

Well, putting aside the talk of "emperor", what Obama has suggested is a bad idea. It would make a nullity of the House of Representatives. That would be convenient for him, but the idea of a president who can spend whatever he likes, no matter what Congress thinks, is repellant. It's unwise as well. It gives too much power, much too much, to the office of the presidency.

With no limit on the national debt, the president doesn't need taxes. He can just go ahead and spend, and have the treasury issue whatever money or debt or whatever you call it is required to cover the spending.

Long term, this would create massive inflation, but presidents sometimes live in the near term and near term, what it creates is power to the president.

Parliament went from being a modest check on the Kings and Queens of England, to being the only meaningful branch of government, precisely because Parliament did not cede the power of the purse to the monarchy. Cede that power and watch this nation retrace that evolution. It could take centuries, but we'd get there.

lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 9, 2012 12:04:45am

re: #17 allegro

I was reading earlier about Cory Booker's current experience of living for a week on food stamps. I had to laugh at his choices of food choices with his weekly budget. He chose fresh veggies and now on his 4th day he's hurting with 3 days left. Of course he is. He based his purchases on today's "healthy" food choices of fresh veggies, the foods he's used to.

He probably wasn't hell-bent on making it through the week. Because I know what I'd buy: rice, noodles, cabbage, some chickens---enough of that to give me 2500 to 3000 calories a day, some fiber, some protein. Then, and only then, and only if there was any money left over, would we get into milk, bread, other veggies, etc.

There's room for variation here. If pumpkins are in season, you can often get them dirt cheap. Pumpkins can be cut up and pressure cooked and while they're not that yummy, they're a vegetable.

If you have the means to keep potatoes, they're good for fiber, vitamins, and calories all in one. Again, a pressure cooker or a microwave will cook them whole; no need for time consuming preparation and zero added fat or whatever.

Around thanksgiving, turkeys again are often very cheap. Buy a turkey. Cook it and freeze most of the meat. Assuming again that you have some way to store cooked food.

This is all from personal experience, both living on a budget and then living smart when it comes to food spending, and then throwing in the soda and the treat foods on top of a basically careful food budget.

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 12:15:24am

Hmm...it is possible there is still one semi-sane one left, too bad for them that the GOP base reviles him now.

“We have some structural issues. I think the deliberation about the Republican Party that we’re having is a very healthy thing. And if we don’t wind up at the end of the exercise with a mission statement that is one sentence long, then we’re toast. That one statement ought to be, ‘Balance the budgets and get out of people’s lives.’ And you ought to build the party around that because we have strong libertarian roots that go way back to the early days of the Republican Party." - Jon Huntsman

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 12:20:14am

re: #43 lostlakehiker

Uhh, where in that story does it actually quote or link to Obama actually asking for this? I seem to remember that it was Mitch McConnell who introduced this to the Senate last week and then had to filibuster his own proposal to stop it after the Dems looked like they would called his bluff.

What I don't remember is Obama ever saying that he wanted this authority in the first place.

freetoken Sun, Dec 9, 2012 12:27:00am

re: #17 allegro

One, if he is so inclined to eat growing plant parts, will do better to grow them himself.

On the strictly limited budget Booker had, a bag of rice and a bag of beans, a couple of spices to go with them, would have been his best shot at maximizing his protein (though being plant sources one needs to combine wisely to get enough of the right amino acids), as well as carbohydrate intake (though the latter is not required for health, but to not have an empty stomach.) A few packets that have all the vitamins and minerals would be a good choice. Dried milk - yucky but nutritious - is a good choice for those tolerant of lactase, and can be added to many dishes.

Foraging is always available, as is gleaning.

Most fruit sold in American markets is way too expensive for the nutrition received, and being in NJ Booker will not have access to what we have here in California, but the one fruit worth having are oranges or grapefruit, as a single one contains all the vitamin C you need, and they can be bought by the bag at a decent cost if shopping wisely.

Frankly, I think Americans have become too willing to accept just about any item thrown at them by food advertisers, wholesalers, and their local marketeers. In my local supermarket there are whole aisles dedicated to packaged junk food (chips, cookies), an aisle taken up by nothing but soda and other sweetened water, and almost an entire aisle taken up by "ice cream" (though most of it is of very low quality and has almost no real cream.)

lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 9, 2012 12:39:01am

re: #46 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Uhh, where in that story does it actually quote or link to Obama actually asking for this? I seem to remember that it was Mitch McConnell who introduced this to the Senate last week and then had to filibuster his own proposal to stop it after the Dems looked like they would called his bluff.

What I don't remember is Obama ever saying that he wanted this authority in the first place.

Geithner asked for it. Geithner presumably speaks for the president. Any search on the phrase "Geithner debt limit infinite" will get you plenty of links.

dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 12:43:32am

re: #42 darthstar

WTF? Paquaio knocked out in round five?

Watching the highlights right now... that KO was incredible.

freetoken Sun, Dec 9, 2012 12:54:11am

In the history of cinema, and visual entertainment, a great deal of effort was expended on the aspect ratio and providing the entertainment consumer with an ever better and better experience.

While many youngsters today are growing up knowing only the 16:9 ratio used by the ATSC, and also the 4:3 ratio they associate with "television", but the 4:3 frame was long the cinema standard, something which takes first time viewers of old films by surprise.

It took years of work experimenting with various techniques to provide a high quality wide screen image for film. Most films did eventually move to "Panavision" or similar techniques that rely on optics (anamorphic), but for a few years in the 1950's the high quality mark for wide screen was "VistaVision", an introduction by Paramount Pictures, which made a wider frame essentially by turning the film frame on it's side on the sprocket film.

VistaVision was introduced in 1954, and I bet most people don't know the answer to the trivia question - What was the first film produced in VistaVision? A few might (anyone here?)

Anyway, it was a musical, and it happened to produce some hit songs, and contained a re-recorded really big hit:

MP3 Audio

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:10:13am

Cute and rather imaginative...time lapse as slideshow...

Where do babies come from?
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:15:40am

re: #48 lostlakehiker

Geithner asked for it. Geithner presumably speaks for the president. Any search on the phrase "Geithner debt limit infinite" will get you plenty of links.

Actually no he didn't, this is another one of those things where "everyone knows" that is what he said, except that they are wrong. The question was put to him directly "will you propose this as part of the negotiation?" He never said yes, he merely went on talking about it being something that should change. Watch it for yourself...

Youtube Video

Kragar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:20:37am

Did Bacteria Fuel World's Worst Extinction?

The study is the latest attempt to explain how most of the world's ocean species died off in just a few hundred thousand years at the end of the Permian era, about 250 million years ago. The researchers presented their findings Tuesday (Dec. 4) here at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union.

The study proposes that a series of steps caused the mass extinction, but that bacteria played a key role. First, massive volcanic activity in Siberia released nickel into the atmosphere, which somehow reached the ocean. As a result, populations of ocean-dwelling bacteria that use nickel in their metabolic pathway exploded, releasing huge amounts of methane into the atmosphere and depleting ocean oxygen levels as a byproduct of that metabolism. Because methane is a greenhouse gas, the catastrophic gas release trapped heat in the atmosphere and caused the mass extinction by making the climate uninhabitable.

But while the findings are intriguing, many of the steps in this process are speculative, said Anthony Cohen, a researcher at the Open University in the United Kingdom, who was not involved in the study.

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:20:47am

re: #48 lostlakehiker

I also notice that all the returns from the search you suggest are to far right wing sites and that most never even cite where it was he supposedly said this.

Same old GOP, take an idea that they suggested in the first place via Mitch McConnell, wait until anyone from the White House express the opinion that it would be a good thing, and then leap on that as proof of the "President Demanding Mad Emperor Powers!!!11!"

BongCrodny Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:25:59am

re: #14 Kragar

Speaking of which...

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Because High Fructose Corn syrup costs a hell of a lot less than actual food.

Not coincidentally, "high fructose corn syrup" also describes Bryan Fischer's typing: cheap, non-nutritious and full of empty calories.

lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:26:49am

re: #52 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Actually no he didn't, this is another one of those things where "everyone knows" that is what he said, except that they are wrong. The question was put to him directly "will you propose this as part of the negotiation?" He never said yes, he merely went on talking about it being something that should change. Watch it for yourself...

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Saying it should be made infinite is the same thing as asking. Come on. The trial balloon was floated. It simply doesn't matter how it was worded, or whether it was put before Congress, or whether he said this or that magic phrase. Your own link confirms my claim. Geithner put before the public the idea that the debt limit should be raised to infinity. He said that that would be a good thing. Word it how you will, this amounts to a presidential request, couched carefully and with a bit of deniability, for awesome power.

lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:28:04am

re: #54 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I also notice that all the returns from the search you suggest are to far right wing sites and that most never even cite where it was he supposedly said this.

The first one I came across said that Geithner said it on an interview with Bloomberg, broadcast on a major TV station. Come on. Geithner said it.

And while we're at it, of course RW sites will make an issue of it, and LW sites will not. They don't find any problem with investing the office of the presidency with extra power. Not for the time being, given that the current president is a democrat. LW thinkers felt differently, back in the day when it was a real possibility that some future president would be a Republican.

Kragar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:29:31am

re: #57 lostlakehiker

The first one I came across said that Geithner said it on an interview with Bloomberg, broadcast on a major TV station. Come on. Geithner said it.

Should be easy enough to link it then.

dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:29:39am

Mitt Romney in Pacquiao locker room. "Hello Manny. I ran for president. I lost." Seriously.
— Greg Bishop (@nytbishop) December 9, 2012

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:30:13am

re: #58 Kragar

Should be easy enough to link it then.

I did already, that youtube I just put up is exactly what he said.

BongCrodny Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:30:22am

re: #17 allegro

I was reading earlier about Cory Booker's current experience of living for a week on food stamps. I had to laugh at his choices of food choices with his weekly budget. He chose fresh veggies and now on his 4th day he's hurting with 3 days left. Of course he is. He based his purchases on today's "healthy" food choices of fresh veggies, the foods he's used to.

This.

Speaking as someone who's been living on a tight budget for quite some time now, fresh fruit and veggies is what you *want.*

But when you go to the supermarket and the generic mac and cheese is selling for five packages for $2.75, you go "I can use this."

lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:33:58am

re: #58 Kragar

Should be easy enough to link it then.

Link

(CNSNews.com) - Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said Friday that Congress should stop placing legal limits on the amount of money the government can borrow and effectively lift the debt limit to infinity.

On Bloomberg TV, “Political Capital” host Al Hunt asked Geithner if he believes “we ought to just eliminate the debt ceiling.”

“Oh, absolutely,” Geithner said.

And that's that. Full specifics of who said it, when, and where. And Bloomberg is not himself a RW weirdo. He's a mainline, centrist, important fellow.

BongCrodny Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:34:59am

re: #18 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Why you should quit your job and get rich living on welfare...

[Embedded content]

Proving yet again that there are "lies, damned lies, and statistics" especially when it comes to numbers ginned up by the congressional GOP.

There are times when I wish I was a believer: when Judgment Day rolls around and folks like Bryan Fisher get called before the carpet to answer for their incessant "blame the poor" mantra.

I can't think of anyone else who so completely preaches the exact opposite of Jesus's message than Bryan Fischer.

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:36:32am

re: #56 lostlakehiker

Saying it should be made infinite is the same thing as asking. Come on. The trial balloon was floated. It simply doesn't matter how it was worded, or whether it was put before Congress, or whether he said this or that magic phrase. Your own link confirms my claim. Geithner put before the public the idea that the debt limit should be raised to infinity. He said that that would be a good thing. Word it how you will, this amounts to a presidential request, couched carefully and with a bit of deniability, for awesome power.

Him saying that he thinks it should change is not the same as saying that it is a condition of the fiscal cliff negotiations, nor is it "Emperor Obama overreaches" this whole thing is ridiculous. Another case of the right wing trying to get away with the idea that if they just say a falsity often enough everyone will believe it to be true.

You can watch that video and actually tell me with a straight face that he was demanding this from Republicans as a condition of the negotiations?

dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:39:32am

re: #53 Kragar

Here, this will make you feel even better:

We’re eating through the oceans’ iron: scientists

Iron crucial for biomass, carbon storage

The known annual [seafood] catch represents from 0.5 to 2.0% of the iron content of the upper 4,000m of the oceans. “That doesn’t seem like much”, Moreno says, “but this goes on year after year.”

The availability of iron is not just a problem for fish. For years, scientists who study the global carbon dioxide circulation and its role in global warming have been theorising that a lack of iron keeps down the amount of biomass in the oceans, the Southern Ocean in particular, making the Earth miss out on a place where to store excess carbon.

freetoken Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:42:48am

re: #65 dragonath

Beware of the "geoengineers" who want to dump a load of iron into the ocean, who may also be pushing certain stories through various outlets.

Kragar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:43:20am

re: #65 dragonath

Here, this will make you feel even better:

We’re eating through the oceans’ iron: scientists

World's biggest geoengineering experiment 'violates' UN rules

A controversial American businessman dumped around 100 tonnes of iron sulphate into the Pacific Ocean as part of a geoengineering scheme off the west coast of Canada in July, a Guardian investigation can reveal.

Lawyers, environmentalists and civil society groups are calling it a "blatant violation" of two international moratoria and the news is likely to spark outrage at a United Nations environmental summit taking place in India this week.

Satellite images appear to confirm the claim by Californian Russ George that the iron has spawned an artificial plankton bloom as large as 10,000 square kilometres. The intention is for the plankton to absorb carbon dioxide and then sink to the ocean bed – a geoengineering technique known as ocean fertilisation that he hopes will net lucrative carbon credits.

Ocean Geoengineering Scheme May Prove Lethal

Adding iron is intended to cause a bloom of phytoplankton growth, sucking up CO2 in the process.

But new findings, published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, show that one type of phytoplankton that thrives under such circumstances makes domoic acid, a potent neurotoxin. This neurotoxin can move up the food chain as other animals eat the phytoplankton, harming sea life. The toxin can kill or weaken birds, fish, sea mammals or even humans who eat seafood that contains the toxin.

In coastal waters, blooms of Pseudonitzschia, the organism that produces the toxin, have occasionally closed coastal shellfish harvests. In a few instances, people have died from consuming contaminated seafood.

dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:47:08am

re: #62 lostlakehiker

Oh, nice source. I especially like the featured Ken Blackwell article that starts with "My buddy, Glenn Beck..." and the various Newsbusters links.

dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:59:01am

re: #66 freetoken

re: #67 Kragar

Hmm, I didn't think of that. It's a particularly dumbass move to dump concentrated iron sulfate or whatever it is in one area though.

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 2:00:29am

Meanwhile what Obama had to say on the Debt Ceiling "It is not a game that I will play" watch the video.

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

He is saying point blank that he will not let the debt ceiling negotiations be tied to even more cuts (after a fiscal cliff deal) early next year. That is why he is insisting that the debt ceiling raise should be part of the current deal and why most business leaders agree with him.

In other words he is calling the GOP bluff now and telling them they will not get any offers from him if they think they are going to repeat what they did last summer.

I agree, why would we do a deal on the fiscal cliff now only to hit another economic wall two months later? Business and the stock market want an end to uncertainty and they certainly don't want any more threats of default on our debt.

(Edit: Grrr...video link fixed)

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Sun, Dec 9, 2012 2:27:17am

re: #1 ReamWorks SKG

HAPPY HANUKKAH!

We're at Walt Disney World this week for business, but I have my travel Hanukkiyah with me.

We benched a small travel Hanukiah last night in Jerusalem but we'll be home tonight. I'm in Schiphol airport lounge now. It's going to be a long trip.

lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 9, 2012 2:27:48am

re: #64 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Him saying that he thinks it should change is not the same as saying that it is a condition of the fiscal cliff negotiations, nor is it "Emperor Obama overreaches" this whole thing is ridiculous. Another case of the right wing trying to get away with the idea that if they just say a falsity often enough everyone will believe it to be true.

You can watch that video and actually tell me with a straight face that he was demanding this from Republicans as a condition of the negotiations?

No. I never said that. What I said was that unlimited borrowing power was a bad idea, and that the president had, however elliptically, asked for it.

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 2:36:46am

Another "War Monger for Jesus" heard from...

Advice for Netanyahu: 'Give war a chance'

Brigadier General Dr. James Hutchens (USA-Ret.) is a former chaplain who now serves as president of The JerUSAlem Connection. He says the same sad movie continues to play time and time again: Israel is attacked by Arab terrorists, they respond, and when they get the upper hand, they agree to a cease-fire demanded by the U.S., the U.N. and the E.U.

But Hutchens believes Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu should "give war a chance."

"There are those who have been advocating all along that there is a diplomatic solution to this, and I just don't believe it," Hutchens offers. "I don't think you can deter Jihadists. I don't think you can negotiate with them. They have to be defeated. There has to be a military solution -- Then you can talk about any diplomacy afterwards."

He asserts that peace will only come from the Prince of Peace.

"We're praying for the coming of the Messiah, for the return of Jesus," the former chaplain states. "He's the only one that can bring peace. When He comes, there's all kinds of havoc that's raised, and those who oppose Him cease to oppose."

Hutchens adds that the Bible is clear: a colossal clash between Israel and the surrounding peoples is coming.

Because a Chaplain knows all about life out there on the front lines? Pretty cushy for the armchair warriors sitting here in America while our soldiers fight half the world away. Maybe someone needs to remind them that when Israel goes to war their entire population is right there in the war zone too.

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 2:46:25am

re: #72 lostlakehiker

No. I never said that. What I said was that unlimited borrowing power was a bad idea, and that the president had, however elliptically, asked for it.

The only thing I have heard the president ask for is for this next debt ceiling raise to be part of the fiscal cliff deal. To me at least, he gave a damn good reason for wanting them to be joined in the negotiations, guess time will tell.

That is why I object to all stories designed to rile up the Right by feeding them blatant misinformation, Obama never asked for an infinite debt ceiling, he just didn't. Why don't you blame McConnell for suggesting the plan in the first place if you think it is so terrible?

freetoken Sun, Dec 9, 2012 2:58:27am

re: #73 watching you tiny alien kittens are

This one goes out to our warmonger-of-the-day:

SoundCloud

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:00:44am

re: #73 watching you tiny alien kittens are

He asserts that peace will only come from the Prince of Peace.

Something I learned on my recent trip to Jerusalem. The keys to the Holy Sepulchre Church used to be guarded by an old Muslim. Because the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox and various other sects were always fighting with each other over who got to have control over the Christian shrine, the Ottoman ruler gave the keys to an old Muslim and he was called the "Prince of Peace."

I don't know if the Israelis have kept this old custom or if they just let the Christian sects fight it out.

freetoken Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:04:20am

MP3 Audio

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:18:48am

re: #17 allegro

I was reading earlier about Cory Booker's current experience of living for a week on food stamps. I had to laugh at his choices of food choices with his weekly budget. He chose fresh veggies and now on his 4th day he's hurting with 3 days left. Of course he is. He based his purchases on today's "healthy" food choices of fresh veggies, the foods he's used to.

Living on a budget is a learned skill, something that you do not just pick up in a week or two. I learned to adapt my diet to fit my budget but never wanted for basics or even fresh produce, I just had to be less selective and more open to what was available on sale.

Varek Raith Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:29:37am

re: #72 lostlakehiker

No. I never said that. What I said was that unlimited borrowing power was a bad idea, and that the president had, however elliptically, asked for it.

You know what's an even worse idea?
Holding the economy hostage so that the rich can keep their tax cuts.
You must be so proud of your party.

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:32:11am

re: #4 Gus

The Trammps - Disco Inferno

There were a handful of disco songs I really liked, this one and "Rubber Band" by the Spinners come to mind...

goddamnedfrank Sun, Dec 9, 2012 4:04:32am

re: #72 lostlakehiker

No. I never said that. What I said was that unlimited borrowing power was a bad idea, and that the president had, however elliptically, asked for it.

Congress borrows, the President merely signs off on the budget. And the debts legally incurred by the United States Congress will be paid.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

-Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4

The debt ceiling legislation doesn't trump the Constitution, outlays will continue unabated.

Obdicut Sun, Dec 9, 2012 4:04:42am

re: #43 lostlakehiker

With no limit on the national debt, the president doesn't need taxes. He can just go ahead and spend, and have the treasury issue whatever money or debt or whatever you call it is required to cover the spending.

What the fuck about 'the debt ceiling is raised to pay for debts already accrued by the US, and all spending bills originate in the House' don't you get?

The President can't just go ahead and 'spend'. The debt ceiling is raised to cover actual existing obligations incurred by congress, not by himself.

That congress would authorize spending and then refuse to raise the debt limit to pay for it is the fucked-up part. not Obama trying to honor the US's debts.

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Dec 9, 2012 4:06:27am

There is a Higher Truth at stake here: namely that Obama hates the USA and its Constitution and is doing everything he can under his Presidential powers to undermine it.

Facts take a back seat to spreading this Higher Truth.

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Dec 9, 2012 4:30:31am

This whopping article from The Week tries to tell us How conservatives can regain popularity in America's inner cities

On one point I can agree, "Securing communities" But the measures they describe would cost money and are not likely to be implemented by the GOP.

It also mentions diminishing the public service and teachers' unions as a way of improving inner cities, measures I cannot agree with

And finally, "If Republicans can provide voters with local candidates of strong character, we can restore urban trust in our public service. In short, we need local Republican leaders in the dedicated style of Democrat Cory Booker."

Good luck.

Targetpractice Sun, Dec 9, 2012 4:52:12am

Up early on a Sunday...and I don't go to church...ugh, there should be a law against this.

Varek Raith Sun, Dec 9, 2012 5:03:57am

re: #85 Targetpractice

Up early on a Sunday...and I don't go to church...ugh, there should be a law against this.

There is.
You broke it.
The drones are en route.
Have a nice day.

Targetpractice Sun, Dec 9, 2012 5:19:09am

re: #86 Varek Raith

There is.
You broke it.
The drones are en route.
Have a nice day.

Son of a [CARRIER LOST]

RadicalModerate Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:23:33am

Harping on the subject of he last thread -
I wonder if this one was perpetrated by some of Pam's fans:

Dead pig found at Cypress mosque

The small, black pig lay dead on its side upon the wooden deck, a deep gash on the side of its belly.

That's what a congregant at the Islamic Outreach Center saw Tuesday evening when he and a handful of other worshippers arrived for nightly prayers. Worshippers also found blood stains near the door of the Harris County mosque.

"It looked like someone was trying to take it inside, but it was locked," said Ilyas Choudry, who helps run the center.

At the end of a news conference on Wednesday about the incident, mosque officials also discovered what appeared to be animal intestines hanging from the facility's front gate.

The intestines may have come from the pig, which appeared to be cut open.

This would make the fifth reported vandalism or attempted arson of a Muslim worship center in Texas in under a year's time.

Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:39:20am

re: #17 allegro

I was reading earlier about Cory Booker's current experience of living for a week on food stamps. I had to laugh at his choices of food choices with his weekly budget. He chose fresh veggies and now on his 4th day he's hurting with 3 days left. Of course he is. He based his purchases on today's "healthy" food choices of fresh veggies, the foods he's used to.

He's like Morgan Spurlock in that way. His experiment reminds me greatly of Spurlock's program "30 Days".

lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:47:24am

re: #74 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I have four or five down dings already, simply for observing that Geithner is a cabinet official and everything he says is more than his private personal opinion, that he in fact said that an infinite debt ceiling would be a good thing, and that this runs counter to a nearly thousand year tradition and bulwark of liberty. Two of them from Charles. For what? Does everybody here but me think the debt ceiling should be the sky? That Geithner speaks for himself alone? That he did not go on TV and approve the idea?

Maybe you agree with me point by point, but think it rude of me to say anything that could be construed as backing that emperor nonsense which I disavowed right out of the gate?

Or is there no particular reason?

Obdicut Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:50:17am

re: #90 lostlakehiker

Do you understand, or not, that the debt ceiling is raised to pay for debt that is, monies already spent by congress?

Obdicut Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:52:22am

We can't simply choose not to pay our debts. It's not an option. Debts have to be paid.

This is an obvious thing.

It is weird how quickly people have picked up on the GOP's various lies and positioning on this: That raising the debt ceiling is 'spending', that there is any way we could choose not to raise the debt ceiling and still be upholding one of the most basic ethical and piratical underpinnings of our society: the government pays its debts.

lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:54:56am

re: #82 Obdicut

What the fuck about 'the debt ceiling is raised to pay for debts already accrued by the US, and all spending bills originate in the House' don't you get?

The President can't just go ahead and 'spend'. The debt ceiling is raised to cover actual existing obligations incurred by congress, not by himself.

That congress would authorize spending and then refuse to raise the debt limit to pay for it is the fucked-up part. not Obama trying to honor the US's debts.

I never said the debt ceiling should not be raised this time. But what is to stop some future president from honoring spending authorized by some future congress that a subsequent future congress chooses not to reauthorize? One basic principle of self govt is that no congress can lock in a future congress to future spending. With an infinite debt ceiling, any future president could veto spending cuts and carry on as tho the house did not exist.

Targetpractice Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:55:57am

re: #90 lostlakehiker

I have four or five down dings already, simply for observing that Geithner is a cabinet official and everything he says is more than his private personal opinion, that he in fact said that an infinite debt ceiling would be a good thing, and that this runs counter to a nearly thousand year tradition and bulwark of liberty. Two of them from Charles. For what? Does everybody here but me think the debt ceiling should be the sky? That Geithner speaks for himself alone? That he did not go on TV and approve the idea?

Maybe you agree with me point by point, but think it rude of me to say anything that could be construed as backing that emperor nonsense which I disavowed right out of the gate?

Or is there no particular reason?

Where should I start first? With the reality that the debt ceiling is something that did not exist prior to the last century, has no Constitutional basis, and was a matter of little relevance prior to last year, when the GOP decided they'd start using it as a hostage to get what they wanted? That allowing the White House to handle the debt ceiling does not strip Congress, specifically the House, of its Constitutional power to control the nation's purse strings? Or that the debt ceiling could disappear and only those who bow before the great god Debt would care?

Obdicut Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:58:09am

re: #93 lostlakehiker

I never said the debt ceiling should not be raised this time.

It should be raised every time, unless you think the US government should default on its debts. Do you?

But what is to stop some future president from honoring spending authorized by some future congress that a subsequent future congress chooses not to reauthorize?

The basic way that spending happens: The President cannot spend money unless congress allows it.

With an infinite debt ceiling, any future president could veto spending cuts and carry on as tho the house did not exist.

What are you even fucking talking about. If the president vetoes something, his veto can be overridden. That's how the government works. The president doesn't get to 'just' veto, and he doesn't get to spend money without congressional authorization.

But back to the basic question: Do you ever want the US to fail to pay its debts? Is that ever a good idea?

Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:58:30am

re: #92 Obdicut

We can't simply choose not to pay our debts. It's not an option. Debts have to be paid.

This is an obvious thing.

It is weird how quickly people have picked up on the GOP's various lies and positioning on this: That raising the debt ceiling is 'spending', that there is any way we could choose not to raise the debt ceiling and still be upholding one of the most basic ethical and piratical underpinnings of our society: the government pays its debts.

Well, we could choose not to pay, but the results would be disastrous. But what I think LLH was saying (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) is that the decision as to whether to borrow or to pay debts rightfully belongs to the Congress, not to the President. Congress is the branch of government given the power of the purse. Giving the president power to borrow as he sees fit reduces that power.

Obdicut Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:59:28am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Well, we could choose not to pay, but the results would be disastrous. But what I think LLH was saying (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) is that the decision as to whether to borrow or to pay debts rightfully belongs to the Congress, not to the President. Congress is the branch of government given the power of the purse. Giving the president power to borrow as he sees fit reduces that power.

It only reduces the power of congress to rack up bills and not pay them. I don't see that so much of a 'power' and more as a disgraceful abdication of responsibility.

lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:03:47am

re: #92 Obdicut

We can't simply choose not to pay our debts. It's not an option. Debts have to be paid.

This is an obvious thing.

It is weird how quickly people have picked up on the GOP's various lies and positioning on this: That raising the debt ceiling is 'spending', that there is any way we could choose not to raise the debt ceiling and still be upholding one of the most basic ethical and piratical underpinnings of our society: the government pays its debts.

Do you understand that the govt simply cannot spend without limit? That at some point, if no substantive action is taken, default becomes inevitable? Papering over a default by issuing money that lacks purchasing power is just as much a case of govt not paying its debts as outright default? A system in which congress lacks any veto of ongoing spending is a system that can run without the consent of the governed for four years.

Obdicut Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:05:28am

re: #98 lostlakehiker

Do you understand that the govt simply cannot spend without limit?

Yes. Which has nothing, zero, nada, niente, not a damn thing, not a single point of contact, with raising the debt celing.

A system in which congress lacks any veto of ongoing spending is a system that can run without the consent of the governed for four years.

We don't have that, though. I don't know why you are saying we do, except that the rest of your argument has fallen into fucking pieces because it was based on fiction, so now you need a new fiction.

The budget gets passed every year. Congress can 'veto' ongoing spending every year. That's what they're trying to do now, the GOP, proposing massive cuts in medicare and other services.

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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:06:45am

You morning quackery: Cancer is not a Disease - It's a Survival Mechanism (Book Excerpt)

The comments are equally quacked up.

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Obdicut Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:09:35am

re: #100 Gus

It will perhaps astound you to learn that if you are afflicted with any of the root causes of cancer (which constitute the real illness) you would most likely die quickly unless your body actually grew cancer cells.

Ugh bullshit like this is so predatory it's sickening. Playing on the most desperate and hopeful. Fuck people like the author of this. He probably believes his own bullshit though, and is enormously self-satisfied with her 'speaking truth to power' martyr status.

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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:14:55am

re: #101 Obdicut

Ugh bullshit like this is so predatory it's sickening. Playing on the most desperate and hopeful. Fuck people like the author of this. She probably believes her own bullshit though, and is enormously self-satisfied with her 'speaking truth to power' martyr status.

Yeah, it's basically a sales pitch for imaginary "natural cures" that couldn't even clear up a simple infection if you wanted it to. It was written by a Andreas Moritz who by all accounts kicked the bucket -- cause of death unknown. If he's dead or not I'm not sure but he also has a Twitter account. As you can see he's also an anti-vaxxer and practitioner of "vibrational medicine."

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:15:26am

re: #100 Gus

You morning quackery: Cancer is not a Disease - It's a Survival Mechanism (Book Excerpt)

The comments are equally quacked up.

More quacks than a duck pond in there.

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Targetpractice Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:16:32am

re: #98 lostlakehiker

Do you understand that the govt simply cannot spend without limit? That at some point, if no substantive action is taken, default becomes inevitable? Papering over a default by issuing money that lacks purchasing power is just as much a case of govt not paying its debts as outright default? A system in which congress lacks any veto of ongoing spending is a system that can run without the consent of the governed for four years.

There's another solution: Congress could simply do away with the debt ceiling and return to handling debt as it came, like most of the rest of the civilized world.

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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:17:39am

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

More quacks than a duck pond in there.

AIDS myth exposed!

Derp.

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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:18:29am

Iran warships dock in Sudan ow.ly/1Q67Nw
— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) December 9, 2012

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:20:43am

re: #102 Gus

Yeah, it's basically a sales pitch for imaginary "natural cures" that couldn't even clear up a simple infection if you wanted it to. It was written by a Andreas Moritz who by all accounts kicked the bucket -- cause of death unknown. If he's dead or not I'm not sure but he also has a Twitter account. As you can see he's also an anti-vaxxer and practitioner of "vibrational medicine."

The usual "Big Pharma is our enemy and wants to keep us sick and stupid" type of BS. Filed under "Moonbat guano".

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:24:28am

re: #106 Gus

[Embedded content]

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

Well, they could be using the support ship to move arms intended for Hamas. Such ships are built to handle munitions, and having it travel with a warship prevents most methods of attacking it covertly*.

*: Israel could still attack it, but it would be an overt attack, which would amount to an act of war against Iran.

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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:26:45am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

The usual "Big Pharma is our enemy and wants to keep us sick and stupid" type of BS. Filed under "Moonbat guano".

I like to keep my big pharma criticisms based in reality. There are valid reasons to be cynical. They however base it on conspiracy theories and paranoia. Such as some notion that there is a cure for cancer and they're withholding it to make profits! Weird because if that were true that means the "big pharma king makers" have been sacrificing some of their family members who may have died of cancer if that were the case. Weirdos.

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Targetpractice Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:27:47am

re: #109 Gus

I like to keep my big pharma criticisms based in reality. There are valid reasons to be cynical. They however base it on conspiracy theories and paranoia. Such as some notion that there is a cure for cancer and they're withholding it to make profits! Weird because if that were true that means the "big pharma king makers" have been sacrificing some of their family members who may have died of cancer if that were the case. Weirdos.

Yeah, the cure for cancer's held in a secret Illuminati vault, right next to the water-burning engine and the perpetual motion machine.

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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:29:35am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Well, they could be using the support ship to move arms intended for Hamas. Such ships are built to handle munitions, and having it travel with a warship prevents most methods of attacking it covertly*.

*: Israel could still attack it, but it would be an overt attack, which would amount to an act of war against Iran.

I don't doubt it. But yes, attacking those ship would be unwise.

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Obdicut Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:30:52am

re: #109 Gus

The simpler explanation is that pharma companies rarely chase the dragon of entirely novel processes, but instead spend money increasing effectiveness of known therapies.

Most of the basic science research that allows the really novel breakthroughs in drugs come from government labs and non-profit universities.

But if such a lab did come up with a 'cure' for cancer, then whatever pharma company was lucky enough to ally with that PI would sure as fuck be selling it.

However, since cancer is a hell of a lot of different things with different mechanisms of action, there will be no unified cure of cancer. But we can get lots of specific ones.

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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:38:25am

re: #112 Obdicut

The simpler explanation is that pharma companies rarely chase the dragon of entirely novel processes, but instead spend money increasing effectiveness of known therapies.

Most of the basic science research that allows the really novel breakthroughs in drugs come from government labs and non-profit universities.

But if such a lab did come up with a 'cure' for cancer, then whatever pharma company was lucky enough to ally with that PI would sure as fuck be selling it.

However, since cancer is a hell of a lot of different things with different mechanisms of action, there will be no unified cure of cancer. But we can get lots of specific ones.

These people are predatory. Ironic considering they're the ones calling "big pharma" predatory.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:41:29am

re: #112 Obdicut

The simpler explanation is that pharma companies rarely chase the dragon of entirely novel processes, but instead spend money increasing effectiveness of known therapies.

Most of the basic science research that allows the really novel breakthroughs in drugs come from government labs and non-profit universities.

But if such a lab did come up with a 'cure' for cancer, then whatever pharma company was lucky enough to ally with that PI would sure as fuck be selling it.

However, since cancer is a hell of a lot of different things with different mechanisms of action, there will be no unified cure of cancer. But we can get lots of specific ones.

All true, but you believe those truths because you are not paranoid nor do you feel the need to boost your self-esteem be thinking yourself in possession of secret knowledge. For those less sane or worse educated or simply less secure in themselves than you, conspiracy theories can have great allure.

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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:49:15am

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

All true, but you believe those truths because you not paranoid nor do you feel the need to boost your self-esteem be thinking yourself in possession of secret knowledge. For those less sane or worse educated or simply less secure in themselves than you, conspiracy theories can have great allure.

Could have a placebo effect but only working on the patients emotions. Sooner or later reality catches up. Ask Steve Jobs.

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Targetpractice Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:53:45am

George Will: ‘The Opposition To Gay Marriage Is Dying’

Conservative columnist George Will said Sunday that the Supreme Court will review same sex marriage next year at a time when the opposition to it is dissipating.

"There is something like an emerging consensus," he said on ABC's "This Week" roundtable. "Quite literally, the opposition to gay marriage is dying. It's all the people."

Good times.

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Lidane Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:54:46am

Sunday morning soundtrack:

Youtube Video

And I'm moving today! Found a great little place that's way closer to work than I am now. Plus, it's all bills paid. Sweet. XD

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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:55:44am

re: #116 Targetpractice

George Will: ‘The Opposition To Gay Marriage Is Dying’

Good times.

See. If old people would live longer we could maintain an opposition to gay marriage.

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Lidane Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:56:36am

re: #116 Targetpractice

George Will: ‘The Opposition To Gay Marriage Is Dying’

Good times.

That's because there's no legitimate opposition to gay marriage. There isn't a single valid legal argument for denying marriage equality or for denying civil rights to LGBT people. The only arguments against gay marriage are either religious or based on personal discomfort with gays.

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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:12:35am

So are people all fired up at a certain page this morning? I'm afraid to look. More like don't want to look.

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Targetpractice Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:13:53am

re: #120 Gus

So are people all fired up at a certain page this morning? I'm afraid to look. More like don't want to look.

Bwah?

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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:15:51am

re: #121 Targetpractice

Bwah?

Oh, never mind. Just checked recent comments and all is quiet.

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darthstar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:28:20am

Hello, hello, hello...

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Targetpractice Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:30:18am

The GOP consensus seems to be moving with all the speed of a glacier. They're now slowly moving around to just accepting the tax rate hike, but are still demanding a blood sacrifice from Obama to make it happen.

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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:32:51am

re: #124 Targetpractice

The GOP consensus seems to be moving with all the speed of a glacier. They're now slowly moving around to just accepting the tax rate hike, but are still demanding a blood sacrifice from Obama to make it happen.

Grover demands that a proper sacrifice be tossed into the peat bog to appease the gods of the Underworld.
//

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darthstar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:32:57am

re: #124 Targetpractice

The GOP consensus seems to be moving with all the speed of a glacier. They're now slowly moving around to just accepting the tax rate hike, but are still demanding a blood sacrifice from Obama to make it happen.

We're losing this argument but we demand a sacrifice so we can save face! For once I hope President Obama gives them nothing.

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darthstar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:34:55am

re: #125 Feline Fearless Leader

Grover demands that a proper sacrifice be tossed into the peat bog to appease the gods of the Underworld.
//

Fine, fine, throw them Michael Moore...let them feast.

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Targetpractice Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:35:27am

re: #126 darthstar

We're losing this argument but we demand a sacrifice so we can save face! For once I hope President Obama gives them nothing.

Well, they think they've hit upon a winning combination. They'll bring up the Senate bill to a vote, then all vote "present," allowing them to be seen on the record as not voting for a tax increase. Then, once the bill's passed, they'll proceed to hold the debt ceiling hostage again for...*pinky to lip* $1 million dollars...or "entitlement reform," whichever they think they're more likely to get.

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darthstar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:39:36am

re: #128 Targetpractice

Well, they think they've hit upon a winning combination. They'll bring up the Senate bill to a vote, then all vote "present,"

I hope Nancy Pelosi gets politically incorrect on their asses and says, for all to see on C-SPAN, "I can't believe you're all voting 'pussy' on this bill...you cowards."

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:41:02am

re: #124 Targetpractice

The GOP consensus seems to be moving with all the speed of a glacier. They're now slowly moving around to just accepting the tax rate hike, but are still demanding a blood sacrifice from Obama to make it happen.

Picture the president and vice president meeting with congressional leaders to put forth the final terms of a deal:

John Boehner: So we've got the numbers down and I've shown you the votes, Mr. President. I've also shown you the letter from Grover Norquist declaring me his sworn death-enemy. But before we can announce the deal, its time for you to fulfill your first part of the bargain.

Barack Obama: Yes, John, this is something I can except. Joe, would you see to it that the Speaker gets the first agreed upon thing?

Joe Biden: Certainly, Mr. President.

[Biden picks up a full water pitcher and empties it on Nancy Pelosi's head. Steam begins to rise as she starts to shrivel and scream]

Nancy Pelosi: I'm melting, MELTING!

///Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:41:12am

AND ,, another fun (and sports) filled 12 hours starts here at work

COFFEE ,,, STAT

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Stanghazi Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:43:16am

re: #127 darthstar

How was the play?

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:43:24am

re: #127 darthstar

Fine, fine, throw them Michael Moore...let them feast.

No, that idea already got rejected. Michelle Obama read her husband the Riot Act when he told her about it. Michael Moore is too fat; He violates the healthy eating guidelines she has so assiduously promoted.

/Not an Michelle Obama joke, it's a Michael Moore joke.

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Obdicut Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:45:39am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Jokes involving killing Nancy Pelosi: you really expect those to go over well?

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darthstar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:47:00am

re: #132 Stanghazi

How was the play?

I have "And I've got maggots in my scrotum! Hasa digga eebaway." stuck in my head.

Funny stuff.

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darthstar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:48:29am

re: #134 Obdicut

Jokes involving killing Nancy Pelosi: you really expect those to go over well?

I was offended by the misuse of 'except.'

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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:49:15am

The math just isn't there for the GOP "plan" to work.

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Political Atheist Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:50:11am

I just did not read a riff on the Wizard of Oz as a killing joke like some murder or something.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:50:51am

re: #138 Political Atheist

I just did not read a riff on the Wizard of Oz as a killing joke like some murder or something.

ditto

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:51:02am

re: #136 darthstar

I was offended by the misuse of 'except.'

and ditto too

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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:51:21am

re: #138 Political Atheist

I just did not read a riff on the Wizard of Oz as a killing joke like some murder or something.

I'm going to superlaser your state.
Don't move.
:P

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Obdicut Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:51:56am

re: #138 Political Atheist

I just did not read a riff on the Wizard of Oz as a killing joke like some murder or something.

What makes that weird is that the Wicked Witch of the West gets killed by a bucket of water. She's dead after. She is no more.

I've started to tell younger people that the Wizard of Oz is like Signs, but with different set decoration.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:52:45am

re: #141 Varek Raith

I'm going to superlaser your state.
Don't move.
:P

Sending a twister would be more apropos, no???

(in keeping with The Wizard of Oz theme)

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Political Atheist Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:53:03am

re: #141 Varek Raith

Uh oh, time to party crash that preppers bunker down the street. Sure is bright all of a sudden...

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darthstar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:58:57am

re: #142 Obdicut

It's just juvenile humor...not all that different from my 'fine, throw them Michael Moore' line or saying Pelosi should call the Republicans 'pussies'...DF hates Pelosi (it's required of Republicans)...let him have his fun.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:00:51am

re: #145 darthstar

It's just juvenile humor...not all that different from my 'fine, throw them Michael Moore' line or saying Pelosi should call the Republicans 'pussies'...DF hates Pelosi (it's required of Republicans)...let him have his fun.

Thanks, and BBL.

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darthstar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:01:33am

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Thanks, and BBL.

And get a fucking dictionary! Except? Really?

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darthstar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:05:02am

Okay...shit to do. Laterz.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:07:13am

re: #148 darthstar

Okay...shit to do. Laterz.

Don't forget to flush and wash your hands

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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:10:58am

re: #147 darthstar

And get a fucking dictionary! Except? Really?

And don't get me started on principal vs. principle.

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Stanghazi Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:12:04am

Tmz is saying that Mitt was at the fight last night. Bummer talisman for Manny.

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:14:59am

re: #150 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

And don't get me started on principal vs. principle.

there their they're

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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:17:11am

re: #152 sattv4u2

there their they're

Your to funny.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:18:29am

re: #153 Varek Raith

Your to funny.

you to

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Obdicut Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:18:37am

Here's some morning creepiness:

Youtube Video

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:32:46am

For two teams atop their divisions the Falcons and the Bears sure don't look too good today (so far)

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Political Atheist Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:33:35am

And an interesting look at what it is like to photograph the President while traveling.

Paged

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BongCrodny Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:40:54am

re: #156 sattv4u2

For two teams atop their divisions the Falcons and the Bears sure don't look too good today (so far)

The only game this week that matters is on tomorrow night.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:43:55am

re: #158 BongCrodny

The only game that matters this week is on tomorrow night.

It should be good, but in the larger scheme of things very little

Both have clinched their divisions, and the Texans would have to lose again to relinquish home field and the 1st round bye

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BongCrodny Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:57:40am

re: #159 sattv4u2

It should be good, but in the larger scheme of things very little

Both have clinched their divisions, and the Texans would have to lose again to relinquish home field and the 1st round bye

I'm don't think the Patriots can take home field advantage from Houston, but if GrIIIffin beats the Ravens today and the Pats beat Houston tomorrow, we lead in the race for the bye.

Big enough. :-)

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:59:30am

re: #160 BongCrodny

I'm don't think the Patriots can take home field advantage from Houston, but if GrIIIffin beats the Ravens today and the Pats beat Houston tomorrow, we lead in the race for the bye.

Big enough. :-)

They (the Pats) could take home field throughout IF they win tomorrow night (making them 10-3 and Houston 11-2) then the Pats win out and Houston loses another game (iirc, if both are 13-3 1st tie break is head to head)

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 11:01:32am

re: #160 BongCrodny

Houston ends with the Colts, the Vikings, then the Colts again

Pats have the 49ers, Jaguars and the Dolphins

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BongCrodny Sun, Dec 9, 2012 11:04:18am

re: #161 sattv4u2

They (the Pats) could take home field throughout IF they win tomorrow night (making them 10-3 and Houston 11-2) then the Pats win out and Houston loses another game (iirc, if both are 13-3 1st tie break is head to head)

Yep.

Next week's schedule is loaded: New England v. San Francisco, Baltimore v. Denver, and Houston v. Indianapolis.

I'd be hesitant to even offer a guess as to what the standings are going to look like after those three games play out.

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