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1 engineer cat  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:05:57pm

"kenneth what's the frequency?"

2 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:08:38pm

heh

Just saw my cousin(s) on TV

They're New England Patriot season ticket holders

HI COUSIN ALICE,,, HI COUSIN BUDDY!!!!

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:10:52pm

In the LGF Pages posting window, there's a new option to either "Publish" or "Save as Draft". This replaces the old checkbox labeled "Visible" and should be clearer.

When you "Save as Draft," you can then go to your LGF Pages Dashboard and continue working on the Page. When you're ready to publish it, just change its status from 'draft' to 'published' and it will show up as your most recent Page.

4 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:11:06pm

re: #2 sattv4u2

heh

Just saw my cousin(s) on TV

They're New England Patriot season ticket holders

HI COUSIN ALICE,,, HI COUSIN BUDDY!!!!

You should be able to type some text over the broadcast.

5 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:12:09pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

In the LGF Pages posting window, there's a new option to either "Publish" or "Save as Draft". This replaces the old checkbox labeled "Visible" and should be clearer.

When you "Save as Draft," you can then go to your LGF Pages Dashboard and continue working on the Page. When you're ready to publish it, just change its status from 'draft' to 'published' and it will show up as your most recent Page.

Thanks Charles. That's much more intuitive.

6 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:12:27pm

re: #4 Usually refered to as anyways

You should be able to type some text over the broadcast.

I actually can

However, ESPN would be non to pleased (and neither would my boss tomorrow when ESPN lights him up!!!))

7 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:18:58pm

re: #4 Usually refered to as anyways

This is (one of) the unit we use to put graphic s over live video

[Link: www.avid.com...]

8 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:19:35pm

re: #6 sattv4u2

I actually can

Go on, you can doo iiit.

Tell them you don't know anyone called Alice or Buddy.

9 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:20:17pm

re: #7 sattv4u2

This is (one of) the unit we use to put graphic s over live video

[Link: www.avid.com...]

Very nice.

10 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:20:20pm

re: #8 Usually refered to as anyways

Go on, you can doo iiit.

Tell them you don't know anyone called Alice or Buddy.

I would, but there's this little thing i've become attached to

Called a paycheck!!

11 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:21:09pm

re: #10 sattv4u2

I would, but there's this little thing i've become attached to

Called a paycheck!!

I hope its worth the hours you do.

12 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:22:17pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

In the LGF Pages posting window, there's a new option to either "Publish" or "Save as Draft". This replaces the old checkbox labeled "Visible" and should be clearer.

When you "Save as Draft," you can then go to your LGF Pages Dashboard and continue working on the Page. When you're ready to publish it, just change its status from 'draft' to 'published' and it will show up as your most recent Page.

great idea!

13 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:23:12pm

re: #6 sattv4u2

I actually can

However, ESPN would be non to pleased (and neither would my boss tomorrow when ESPN lights him up!!!))

At least you can save the screen shot & send to them? Add the text then & freak them out!!

14 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:23:27pm

re: #11 Usually refered to as anyways

I hope its worth the hours you do.

Moneywise, yeah

What it's cost in terms of lost time with my family (not seeing my son in soccer tourneys,, school functions,, missed birthdays... Christmas mornings when he was little) not so much

15 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:24:38pm

re: #13 Stanghazi

At least you can save the screen shot & send to them? Add the text then & freak them out!!

Yeah. I've already frozen the image of them in another device we have here (an A/V Synchronizer) and I'll do something with it later

16 engineer cat  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:24:44pm

re: #8 Usually refered to as anyways

Go on, you can doo iiit.

Tell them you don't know anyone called Alice or Buddy.

the cat did it that's what i allus say

17 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:24:55pm

re: #14 sattv4u2

Moneywise, yeah

What it's cost in terms of lost time with my family (not seeing my son in soccer tourneys,, school functions,, missed birthdays... Christmas mornings when he was little) not so much

The time/money issue is a hard balance to get right.

Sorry to read about your split holidays.

18 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:25:11pm

I'm so pissed-off. I stopped by the store (in which I used to work) tonite and talked with two younger co-workers. They both told me about a manager (I also worked with) that they were having problems with --discrimination. I was so shocked --this is a guy I thought was actually a cool christian. Of course, he was always cool with me. I would report anything I knew to be illegal.

They aren't as old or wise or have the experience on how to handle the situation. I emailed a friend of mine who is an attorney to ask for perspective.

Beware of anyone who wears their faith on their sleeve.

19 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:25:13pm

re: #13 Stanghazi

At least you can save the screen shot & send to them? Add the text then & freak them out!!

The NFL is extremely hostile to that sort of thing. They want to make sure they control any TV images of all games.

20 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:26:06pm

re: #14 sattv4u2

Moneywise, yeah

What it's cost in terms of lost time with my family (not seeing my son in soccer tourneys,, school functions,, missed birthdays... Christmas mornings when he was little) not so much

Game is already a blow out..Who is going to stop the Pats from going to the Superbowl again?

21 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:26:31pm

re: #17 Usually refered to as anyways

The time/money issue is a hard balance to get right.

Sorry to read about your split holidays.

I've found that in life one either has one or the other.

22 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:26:36pm

re: #17 Usually refered to as anyways

The time/money issue is a hard balance to get right.

Sorry to read about your split holidays.

I actually have ALL of Christmas off this year!!

(someone screwed something up ,,, shhhhhH!!!!!)

23 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:27:15pm

re: #18 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I'm so pissed-off. I stopped by the store (in which I used to work) tonite and talked with two younger co-workers. They both told me about a manager (I also worked with) that they were having problems with --discrimination. I was so shocked --this is a guy I thought was actually a cool christian. Of course, he was always cool with me. I would report anything I knew to be illegal.

They aren't as old or wise or have the experience on how to handle the situation. I emailed a friend of mine who is an attorney to ask for perspective.

Beware of anyone who wears their faith on their sleeve.

Warn them to be careful, though. My sister got burned by a discriminatory manager a few years back. Even when its clear to you that they're in the wrong, it may not be an easy thing to prove.

24 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:27:38pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

The NFL is extremely hostile to that sort of thing. They want to make sure they control any TV images of all games.

They're actually pretty liberal to work with. As long as you ask permission and tell them what it's for, they're all for getting their brand out there any way they can

25 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:28:36pm

re: #20 A Man for all Seasons

Game is already a blow out..Who is going to stop the Pats from going to the Superbowl again?

The Broncos.

Dream Super Bowl: Denver vs. New York. It would go down in history as "The Manning Bowl".

26 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:30:28pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

The Broncos.

Dream Super Bowl: Denver vs. New York. It would go down in history as "The Manning Bowl".

And the day before, they could do the Jaguars and the Chiefs (both are 2-11 right now) They could call it The Toilet Bowl!

27 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:31:46pm

re: #22 sattv4u2

I actually have ALL of Christmas off this year!!

(someone screwed something up ,,, shhhhhH!!!!!)

You deserve it.

28 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:32:19pm

re: #27 b_sharp

You deserve it.

thanks

29 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:32:45pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

Warn them to be careful, though. My sister got burned by a discriminatory manager a few years back. Even when its clear to you that they're in the wrong, it may not be an easy thing to prove.

They know. That's why I emailed my friend. She works with class action suits.

I haven't and probably won't advise them to do anything, I don't think it's my place. Just pisses me off.

No one ever said or did anything in front of me while I worked there because they knew I wouldn't stand for it and wasn't afraid of losing my job. Two young girls who are vunerable are the targets. By someone who is supposed to be a Christian! I am so pissed I could spit.

30 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:32:48pm

Let me guess. The recently blocked posted something about Génération Identitaire? Found some video of that over at Livecreeps, I mean Liveleak.

31 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:33:40pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

The Broncos.

Dream Super Bowl: Denver vs. New York. It would go down in history as "The Manning Bowl".

I always dreamed of a Colts vs. Giants Superbowl. The biggest hyped game of all time. Pat's are really good this year..They played Denver already this year. Denver was crying for mercy

32 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:33:45pm

I need to know if my new post comes off as humorous, sarcastic, angry or bitter. Anybody able to give me a hand with that by reading it and giving me feedback?
Please?

33 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:35:33pm

re: #32 b_sharp

I need to know if my new post comes off as humorous, sarcastic, angry or bitter. Anybody able to give me a hand with that by reading it and giving me feedback?
Please?

Actually, a tad of all of the above!!

leave that one up, but then, I would let it go! You've made your point (and very well, I must say)

Any more and you'll look stalkish, imho

34 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:35:56pm

re: #20 A Man for all Seasons

Game is already a blow out..Who is going to stop the Pats from going to the Superbowl again?

THE CHARGERS! hahaha, just joking. I rag on my co-worker Charger fans every Monday. Today was "Norv always pulls it off - get ready for the playoffs"

Looking like another blackout on TV.

35 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:36:11pm

re: #32 b_sharp

I need to know if my new post comes off as humorous, sarcastic, angry or bitter. Anybody able to give me a hand with that by reading it and giving me feedback?
Please?

I thought it was funny..Add some more satire and go all onion on us!
Great job!

36 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:36:53pm

re: #32 b_sharp

I need to know if my new post comes off as humorous, sarcastic, angry or bitter. Anybody able to give me a hand with that by reading it and giving me feedback?
Please?

sure if you can give me a link. I'm can't figure anything out anymore.

37 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:40:08pm

re: #30 Gus

Let me guess. The recently blocked posted something about Génération Identitaire? Found some video of that over at Livecreeps, I mean Liveleak.

It was an article by this guy.

38 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:42:43pm

I'm going to zone out with my audio book.

Have a great evening all!

39 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:43:53pm

re: #33 sattv4u2

Actually, a tad of all of the above!!

leave that one up, but then, I would let it go! You've made your point (and very well, I must say)

Any more and you'll look stalkish, imho

I was hoping it didn't show any bitterness and little anger. I really have trouble analyzing the tenor of my own posts.

40 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:44:26pm

re: #36 Holidays are Family Fun Time

sure if you can give me a link. I'm can't figure anything out anymore.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

41 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:44:30pm

re: #31 A Man for all Seasons

I always dreamed of a Colts vs. Giants Superbowl. The biggest hyped game of all time. Pat's are really good this year..They played Denver already this year. Denver was crying for mercy

Denver has gotten a lot better as the season has gone on. As ever, Peyton Manning must receive much of the credit for this, as his ability to act as a force multiplier for his teammates is astounding.

42 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:47:21pm

re: #39 b_sharp

I was hoping it didn't show any bitterness and little anger. I really have trouble analyzing the tenor of my own posts.

we all do

43 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:48:35pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

It was an article by this guy.

These are the weirdos I was just doing some quick searching on. Translation, "Generation of National Identity." They claim not to be racists but they talk about maintaining a France for its "traditional people." They are also against diversity, multiculturalism and also think the Mooslims are taking over France. The usual. French wingnuts. This group looks well financed and seems to be targeting a young demographic.

44 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:48:51pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Denver has gotten a lot better as the season has gone on

All the good teams do (barring major injury to key players)

45 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:50:47pm

re: #43 Gus

Those who cry racism are the real racists but those who wrap it in high brow intellectualism are not racists.

(scratches head, laughs)

46 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:51:25pm

From October.

Latest update: 21/10/2012
French far-right group storms site of new mosque

Around 60 members of a French far-right group occupied the site of a future mosque on Saturday to protest against the influence of Islam in France. Their act was widely condemned by politicians and Muslim groups.
By France3 / Katharyn GILLAM (video)

Around sixty members of an extreme right-wing group stormed the site of a future mosque in France on Saturday, to protest against what they see as Islam's increasing influence in the country.

According to French media, protesters from a group called Generation Identity occupied the building site in a suburb of the town of Poitiers, western France, at around 6am.

They climbed onto the building's roof and displayed a banner marked with “732 generation identity” in reference to the year 732, when Charles Martel halted the advance of the invading Muslim army to the north of Poitiers.

The group makes their views clear on their website, which bears the statement: “We do not want more immigration from outside Europe or new mosque construction on French soil”.

Continues.

47 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:52:41pm

re: #45 Kronocide

Those who cry racism are the real racists but those who wrap it in high brow intellectualism are not racists.

(scratches head, laughs)

We are not racist we just want France to be for white Christian native French!

//

48 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:56:54pm

re: #46 Gus

From October.

Latest update: 21/10/2012
French far-right group storms site of new mosque

Maintaining French culture is more easily done by outreach than by occupation. Outreach often leads to other people embracing or at least respecting your culture, whereas Killgore would remind us that occupation leads to rapy-stabby*.

*: The last sentence should not be read to imply that Occupy Wall street is in any way as bad as Generation Identity. OWS is about economics, whereas GenId is about bigotry.

49 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:57:25pm

re: #44 sattv4u2

Denver has gotten a lot better as the season has gone on

All the good teams do (barring major injury to key players)

The only reason I like the Bronco's is because of Peyton Manning. I'm a huge fan.

50 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:58:06pm

re: #47 Gus

We are not racist we just want France to be for white Christian native French!

//

You're racist for calling racists racist you racisty racistator.

Maybe minorities just need to make better decisions.

51 Interesting Times  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:01:37pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

In the LGF Pages posting window, there's a new option to either "Publish" or "Save as Draft". This replaces the old checkbox labeled "Visible" and should be clearer.

When you "Save as Draft," you can then go to your LGF Pages Dashboard and continue working on the Page. When you're ready to publish it, just change its status from 'draft' to 'published' and it will show up as your most recent Page.

Just one question: what timestamp does it end up with? The one when you first created it, or the one when you switched it from "draft" to "publish"? The reason I never used the visible vs. hidden trick to save pages-in-progress was because I was afraid that, if I started it and then set it to "visible" two days later, it would show as a two-day-old page.

52 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:04:36pm

re: #51 Interesting Times

The article's timestamp will be the time when you first published it. So if you save it as a draft and publish it later, it will show up in Recent Pages even if you publish it severals days later.

53 Interesting Times  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:10:10pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

The article's timestamp will be the time when you first published it. So if you save it as a draft and publish it later, it will show up in Recent Pages even if you publish it severals days later.

Yay!

There goes another one of freetoken's "this page would take too long" excuses ;)

54 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:11:59pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

Maintaining French culture is more easily done by outreach than by occupation. Outreach often leads to other people embracing or at least respecting your culture, whereas Killgore would remind us that occupation leads to rapy-stabby*.

*: The last sentence should not be read to imply that Occupy Wall street is in any way as bad as Generation Identity. OWS is about economics, whereas GenId is about bigotry.

Prejudice, hatred and bigotry all prevent people from communicating thus preventing dialogue. It usual takes a few small steps at first. France was never an island to other European nationalities. Neither were they shy of spreading their DNA under the sword during their colonial days. Looking back of course won't fix things.

55 Bubblehead II  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:13:16pm

Night Lizards. Been a interesting day Just remember. The Lurker knows.

56 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:18:22pm

re: #54 Gus

Prejudice, hatred and bigotry all prevent people from communicating thus preventing dialogue. It usual takes a few small steps at first. France was never an island to other European nationalities. Neither were they shy of spreading their DNA under the sword during their colonial days. Looking back of course won't fix things.

No, it wouldn't. And spreading DNA isn't a fix now, given that the challenges posed by Radical Islam are at bedrock about culture, not race. The key is to defend the equality and liberty of all French citizens. Do that and fraternity will likely follow in due course.

57 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:19:53pm

re: #15 sattv4u2

Yeah. I've already frozen the image of them in another device we have here (an A/V Synchronizer) and I'll do something with it later

Some nice text in a computer-y font about drone targeting perhaps?

58 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:33:57pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

No, it wouldn't. And spreading DNA isn't a fix now, given that the challenges posed by Radical Islam are at bedrock about culture, not race. The key is to defend the equality and liberty of all French citizens. Do that and fraternity will likely follow in due course.

Right, but I'm thinking about normal, everyday French citizen who identify as Muslim. It doesn't do any good if our idea of dialogue is bringing up radical-Islam at every turn. We have things in common. That's what we should talk about. Short a radical change in French government I don't see them abandoning the rights of these people.

Actually mixing some DNA helps if you knows what I mean.

59 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:39:24pm


You may have seen the photo, but watch the video with sound.

right eye leaking.

61 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:51:49pm

In other news...

Morons.

62 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:52:54pm

I was in a Rite-Aid once in the Haight. There was an armed robbery while I was there. I saw the gun. I like armed guards. Not sure if they had one there.

63 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:53:45pm

Plus at a Walmart what? You might be sitting on 20,000 grand sometimes?

64 Amory Blaine  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:56:06pm

Loss prevention. Only reason.

65 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:56:39pm
66 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:56:55pm

re: #64 Amory Blaine

Loss prevention. Only reason.

Probably lowers insurance costs too.

67 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:57:22pm

US intelligence agencies map China's rise

An American intelligence report predicts China will overtake the US as the world's biggest economy within the next two decades, as demand for food and water rises and the global balance of power shifts to Asia.

The 140-page Global Trends 2030 report says Asia will become more powerful than North America and Europe combined, as technology, resources and population growth alter the global balance of power.

The report has been prepared by the National Intelligence Council, the analytical arm of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

It combines the thoughts of the 16 intelligence agencies in the US along with foreign and private experts.

Although it is not supposed to predict the future, it is supposed to help US politicians plan for the best and worst scenarios.

"I think the US has to do a lot more thinking about the future, and incorporating that in the decision-making process," principal author Dr Matthew Burrows said.

"If you go from crisis to crisis you increase your risk of going off the rails."

The report says China will surpass the US as the largest economy in the 2020s and that by 2030 India could be the rising economic powerhouse that China is seen to be today.

More...

68 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:59:57pm

I think this is funny but maybe I'm just a sucker for the Dave Rabbit delivery
True Facts About Baby Echidnas

69 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:01:12pm

re: #67 Usually refered to as anyways

Also from the article...

The report says Asia will overtake North America and Europe combined in global power as its GDP, population, military spending and technological investment surpasses the West's, but that the US will remain what it calls "first among equals".

And it warns that a "cyber arms race" is likely to occur as countries try to defend their infrastructure.

By 2030, the report says, 60 per cent of the world's population will live in cities.

The demand for food will have risen by 35 per cent and demand for water will outstrip current sustainable supplies, making water a likely cause of regional conflicts, particularly in South Asia and the Middle East.

Quite an admission, might get some attention.

70 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:04:40pm

re: #65 Stanghazi

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Image: 800px-All_men_are_created_equal.JPG

71 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:09:04pm

re: #70 Gus

Image: 800px-All_men_are_created_equal.JPG

First the elves, then the marriages. I'm exceptionally emotional & happy right now.

Internet induced emotion. Got it.

72 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:09:46pm

re: #69 Usually refered to as anyways

Also from the article...

Quite an admission, might get some attention.

China has a population of 1,344,130,000. The USA has a population of 311,591,917. Theoretically China would have to be the richest nation by sheer per-capita income and wealth. There isn't much the USA "could do." American's will get the carrot and the stick here. Again. More corporatism and expanded militarism paid for by the middle class.

73 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:11:05pm

China is about to kick your ass in GDP!

What should we do captain?

Build more aircraft carriers and ship more jobs to China.

74 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:12:57pm

The current SnorgTees model looks like she had rickets as a child. Scary.

75 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:13:53pm

re: #72 Gus

China has a population of 1,344,130,000. The USA has a population of 311,591,917. Theoretically China would have to be the richest nation by sheer per-capita income and wealth. There isn't much the USA "could do." American's will get the carrot and the stick here. Again. More corporatism and expanded militarism paid for by the middle class.

I feel the acknowledgement will make many Americans very angry.
It will be 'another loss' courtesy of Mr Obama.

76 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:18:57pm

re: #75 Usually refered to as anyways

I feel the acknowledgement will make many Americans very angry.
It will be 'another loss' courtesy of Mr Obama.

The people that are angry at Obama will remain angry at Obama. It's is like energy or momentum. ODS is a body in motion.

77 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:21:11pm

re: #65 Stanghazi

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Heh. I'm happy for them, and some of those images are joyous, but I still can't really look at two dudes kissing...

Same-sex couples at the altar is such a new image in our culture. It's not often that something new happens in this world!

78 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:24:01pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

I think this is funny but maybe I'm just a sucker for the Dave Rabbit delivery
True Facts About Baby Echidnas

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Yeah, but you need at least 3, 4 of them for a decent meal!!

79 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:24:18pm

re: #77 Pawn of the Oppressor

Heh. I'm happy for them, and some of those images are joyous, but I still can't really look at two dudes kissing...

Same-sex couples at the altar is such a new image in our culture. It's not often that something new happens in this world!

Glad you looked!! Yes, it can be different for some, but love is love is love.

Not enough around, celebrate when you can.

80 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:29:55pm

re: #63 Gus

Plus at a Walmart what? You might be sitting on 20,000 grand sometimes?

Likely more on busy days. I know that the Officemax I worked at once had a 12 grand cash pickup. Most people used credit there, but the store still routinely had thousands in its safe.

82 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:31:32pm

re: #78 sattv4u2

Yeah, but you need at least 3, 4 of them for a decent meal!!

Delicious blood flavored gummy bears.

83 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:43:51pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

I deeply regret my actions during my troubled youth. I was immature and bitter. Foster homes will do that to you. That's no excuse.

84 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:45:48pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

Likely more on busy days. I know that the Officemax I worked at once had a 12 grand cash pickup. Most people used credit there, but the store still routinely had thousands in its safe.

In California they also sell liquor. A lot of these place handle cash. A good night at a liquor store can net $2,500 a night. You can't buy liquor with food stamps. Obviously. Half is cash. Do a 10X with a Wal-Mart and you're looking at $12,500 minimum. Anyway. In most towns today Wal-Mart is the center of the universe. They have clothing, food, dentists, eyeglasses, and pharmacy. There's always a beauty salon too. America is Wal-Mart. Minimum wage isn't even enough for people to make a living. A lot of people being put up in motels too. Lot of traveling workers. Other community cultural centers in America include McDonald's, Burger King, and Starbucks. Truck stops, gas stations, and convenience stores are next.

85 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:54:34pm

re: #84 Gus

That's quite a stream of consciousness, Gus.

86 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:58:24pm
87 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:59:17pm

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

88 bratwurst  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:01:18pm

The latest Zionist animal agent has been apprehended!

'Vulture spying for Israel' caught in Sudan

89 engineer cat  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:01:54pm

re: #70 Gus

Image: 800px-All_men_are_created_equal.JPG

felf evident

evident to felfs

90 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:02:02pm

re: #88 bratwurst

The latest Zionist animal agent has been apprehended!

'Vulture spying for Israel' caught in Sudan

DRONES!!1

91 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:06:02pm

re: #88 bratwurst

The latest Zionist animal agent has been apprehended!

'Vulture spying for Israel' caught in Sudan

Why?

92 jaunte  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:06:33pm

re: #88 bratwurst

The Colbert Report: Israeli Vulture Spy

93 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:10:21pm
94 jaunte  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:15:26pm

Does Biting Your Nails Secretly Defund Tiny Endangered Salamanders?

MoJo's Eco-Doom Headline Generator

95 engineer cat  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:26:32pm

re: #94 jaunte

Does Biting Your Nails Secretly Defund Tiny Endangered Salamanders?

MoJo's Eco-Doom Headline Generator

a few minutes with that and all headlines sound like dada

96 jaunte  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:28:01pm

re: #95 engineer cat

Who Paid Al Gore To Endanger Kale Farmers?

97 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:35:31pm

re: #94 jaunte

Scientists: Are Dolphin Orgasms Killing Public Lands?

98 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:40:51pm

re: #97 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Scientists: Are Dolphin Orgasms Killing Public Lands?

Does Watching Cat Videos Endanger Your Liver?

99 engineer cat  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:40:57pm

re: #96 jaunte

Who Paid Al Gore To Endanger Kale Farmers?

only some minor modifications to the algorithm and database and we could have the world nut daily headline generator

100 jaunte  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:41:54pm

Is Your Favorite Greek Yogurt Sliming The Environmental Protection Agency?

101 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:42:15pm

re: #98 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Does Watching Cat Videos Endanger Your Liver?

Is President Obama Really About to Upset the Last White Tiger?

102 darthstar  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:02:18pm

92 year old Madeira for dessert...yeah, this shit tasted really fucking good.

Image: 429423_10151308780878024_678635961_n.jpg

103 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:05:17pm

re: #102 darthstar

92 year old Madeira for dessert...yeah, this shit tasted really fucking good.

Image: 429423_10151308780878024_678635961_n.jpg

Very nice

104 darthstar  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:10:19pm

re: #103 A Man for all Seasons

Very nice

The veal shank was pretty good too. Love this restaurant. Used to eat there regularly until we moved to Half Moon Bay. Turned a friend onto it (whom we went with tonight) and he's become their most frequent customer. The Madeira was a treat from a friend of his who was also dining in the restaurant. He sent a 1910, a 1920(pictured), a 1926, and a 1960. I had the '20 (sweet). The 1910 was very dry - totally different palate - and my second favorite of the four.

105 darthstar  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:15:05pm

Here's some Ray Wylie Hubbard - because you people deserve nothing but the best. Pure genius...

And probably the most tongue-in-cheek country song ever...

106 Kragar  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:16:37pm

Oh Bryan...

Somebody is ascared.

107 darthstar  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:17:57pm

re: #106 Kragar

Oh Bryan...

[Embedded content]

Somebody is ascared.

That man needs to change his butt-plug.

108 engineer cat  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:23:45pm

Gays already have full marriage equality: can marry one adult, non-relative member of opposite

you can have that zero tax rate you want right now - just hand over all the money you make to me

109 Gus  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:24:08pm

re: #106 Kragar

Oh Bryan...

[Embedded content]

Somebody is ascared.

Wretched.

110 Kragar  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:36:18pm

re: #108 engineer cat

Gays already have full marriage equality: can marry one adult, non-relative member of opposite

you can have that zero tax rate you want right now - just hand over all the money you make to me

There hasn't been this grand of scale of potential disenfranchisement of Americans since Lincoln freed the slaves without asking the South.
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111 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:36:35pm

From a thread about whether or not alien abductions occur...

The reasons are very complex. So much so that none of us will ever truly understand.

I do not have time to go into this but I would suggest you look into other topics on this board.

When you try and think "logically" of the ET and abduction phenomenon. Just remember your perception of "logic" is very limited in regards to the scope of the universe.

I will only answer what I know, even if it is not believed.

1)yes the governments of the world and intelligence agencies have been covering it up for a VERY long time.

2) Occult initiates are no stranger to intelligences of other realms/dimensions/beings, and many (like Crowley and John Dee) have interacted with them physically.

3)In the intelligence communities at certain levels, yes there is interaction with other beings. And yes 'deals' were also made a very long time ago.

4) Some beings are dying and something we carry/have might of been viewed as part of the solution to their deficiencies.

5) Inside conspiracy theory is a great deal of truth. It is mired by propaganda, disinfo, and the general uneducated guesses of most of those trying to understand information that transcends anything our brain can even process.

Take care.

This is from the Indigo Society forum where almost every person in the thread claims some kind of personal experience with aliens, lmao.
[Link: indigosociety.com...]

112 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:27:18pm

Gee, English wingnuts say the same things that ours do...

I imagine the quality of life for the people of North Korea isn't any worse than the average Brit. There is no real freedom of speech in Britain, our people are being locked up or persecuted up for what they say, for which political party they support. We are bled dry in taxes and forced to pay for vile marxist propaganda spewed out by the disgraceful Biased Brainwashing Corporation.

113 freetoken  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:28:20pm

re: #106 Kragar

Oh Bryan...

[Embedded content]

Somebody is ascared.

Right down skeeeeered.

114 Tigger2  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:38:35pm

re: #106 Kragar

Oh Bryan...

[Embedded content]

Somebody is ascared.

Will SCOTUS destroy republican form of government


I hope so.

115 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 12:06:50am

The wingnuts are starting to get themselves all worked up about Quentin Tarantino's new movie "Django Unchained" that is coming out at Christmas. A black slave gunning down white bad guys wild west style has them all clutching their pearls.

The amount of racism coming out into the open in the threads is just ridiculous, but it is also very revealing. The keyboard warriors are pissing their pants about the movies potential to "rile up the blacks." They are actually scared of the random black on white violence they are sure the movie will create.

Here I thought they were all badass macho men that weren't afraid of nothing, turns out all it takes to scare them is a black playing the lead in a gunslinger movie.

116 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 12:22:24am
117 researchok  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 12:23:01am

Morning, all

118 researchok  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 12:27:09am

re: #116 freetoken

Merci.

From the Eduard Soulivain Noel Special?

119 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 12:29:10am

re: #115 watching you tiny alien kittens are

An example of the kind of racist idiocy I was talking about...

Let’s see, we just had the most racially divisive election in modern times that reinstalled the most racist president ever, and Tarrantino’s movie is going to stoke black racist passions to go kill whitey and flash mob, as if the chuckling white genocidal fools who laughed at this dumbass Foxx’s racist rant on SNL don’t have enough to fear from black on white violence. American cities better get ready for flash mobs to pour out of theaters on Christmas Day filled with hate and rage and ready to kill whitey.

Jesus guys, it's only a freaking gunslinger movie, not a how-to guide for "killing whitey." You guys don't walk out of the theater after watching a Clint Eastwood spaghetti western and then go round shooting Italians Mexicans, do you?

120 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 12:34:21am

re: #118 researchok

Merci.

From the Eduard Soulivain Noel Special?

Don't know.

121 researchok  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 12:35:43am

re: #120 freetoken

Read that one more time.

122 researchok  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 12:39:05am

re: #119 watching you tiny alien kittens are

When I was eight, I watched a western with my kid brother.

Then I beat the crap out if him.

Then Sheriff Dad showed up.

123 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 1:00:31am

Once again a wingnut proves that they can only see Black or White with no graduation of scale...

Health care should be a right. Right. All those supplies and equipment belong to someone. That’s theft, boy. Their time, training and efforts are theirs, too. That’s slavery, asshole. We already had one war about that kind of thing. Guess which end of the rifle you go on if we have to do it again. And what kind of healthcare do you expect when it all must be donated through the goodness of peoples’ souls? Parasite.

Sure that's right, what we are really saying is that all healthcare should be completely free and healthcare workers should work for nothing as our slaves. All that talk about everyone paying into a national health system that would provide healthcare to citizens and pay physicians and nurses is all just a smokescreen.

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124 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 1:13:35am

re: #121 researchok

Here is someone who most definitely was on "Eduard Soulivain" show:

125 researchok  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 1:21:44am

re: #124 freetoken

Frank could make 'Happy Birthday' sound original.

126 researchok  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 1:23:59am

re: #123 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Do what I do- in one ear, out the other.

127 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 1:49:53am

Because no one ever tried to rip off a pot grow house in WA. before it was legalized there?

If anything this should start happening less often now as many more people feel free to grow their own without any real fear of prosecution. Both street demand and prices should go down over time.

128 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:14:05am

re: #127 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Because no one ever tried to rip off a pot grow house in WA. before it was legalized there?

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If anything this should start happening less often now as many more people feel free to grow their own without any real fear of prosecution. Both street demand and prices should go down over time.

That totally never happened before!
Totally.

129 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:20:36am

So what has it been, maybe a week since a Republican mentioned "rape babies" and abortion?

Not any more. Someone remember to tell Colbert to reset his count to 0 again...

130 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:59:58am

One of the best known of the double entendre holiday classics:

131 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:20:04am

re: #130 freetoken

One of the best known of the double entendre holiday classics:

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132 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:32:10am

As Seen on TV - a tribute to doing it wrong


133 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:39:15am

re: #132 watching you tiny alien kittens are

As Seen on TV - a tribute to doing it wrong

[Embedded content]

They fail at life.
XD

134 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:24:40am

re: #131 Varek Raith

...
..
.

In Morse Code that is "SIE".

135 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:27:46am

Mojo Nixon Christmas song

136 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:56:17am

re: #129 watching you tiny alien kittens are

So what has it been, maybe a week since a Republican mentioned "rape babies" and abortion?

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Not any more. Someone remember to tell Colbert to reset his count to 0 again...

The counter was for candidates, office holders, and party officials. Bryan Fischer doesn't fit those categories, so what he says does not effect the count.

137 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:02:38am

Bryan's Tweets make me want to throw my fist through the monitor.




(All those Soldiers, Sailors and Marines, sucking up wealth)

138 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:09:44am

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

Bryan's Tweets make me want to throw my fist through the monitor.

(All those Soldiers, Sailors and Marines, sucking up wealth)

139 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:13:50am

Of course government workers don't create wealth. Just look at Rural Electrification...er, Hoover Dam...Grand Coulee...the Highway System...fuck, this is harder than it seemed.

///

140 A Mom Anon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:14:45am

Hello Lizards. I didn't drop off the face of the earth,yet anyways.

The last couple of weeks have been,um,challenging,let's go with that. My Dad is going to need open heart surgery right after New Years. He's in his 70s so there's always a worry with that. They are doing vein grafts to unblock 3 arteries that are 70 percent closed off. I hope this helps,he's been dealing with feeling lousy for a couple of years now.

Yesterday I took Abby the wonder dog to the dog park. She somehow managed to tear a 6 inch long,almost 2 inch deep laceration in her side on the park's chain link fence. So yesterday was spent in the emergency vet's office while she had a nearly 2 hour surgery to repair the damage. Thankfully the wound just missed entering into her body cavity.It was the weirdest thing,she didn't bleed a drop,even though I could literally fit my whole hand in the wound. She's got three layers of sutures,2 internal and then staples on the outside. 550 dollars. Crap. She's one of my best friends ever,it's worth every penny,but damn.

I'm also struggling with anxiety again,the fact that it's dark now at 6 pm is NOT helping. I had to stop reading the news and blogs and stuff for awhile,that wasn't helping either. I can't do meds,I've tried, the side effects are worse for me than the actual anxiety. My remedy for that is walking the dog in the woods. Can't do that for 2 weeks at least. Baking and cooking up a storm will have to suffice for now.

Hope your holiday season is going better than mine,lol.

141 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:19:39am

re: #140 A Mom Anon

Sorry to hear about the medical maladies, here's hoping for your dad and Abby. And yeah, I sympathize with the anxiety, I get the occasional attack this time of year as well, though I've never been bad enough to need medication. Baking and cooking seem to be as constructive a way to keep your mind busy as any.

Good luck to ya.

142 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:34:33am

re: #127 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Because no one ever tried to rip off a pot grow house in WA. before it was legalized there?

If anything this should start happening less often now as many more people feel free to grow their own without any real fear of prosecution. Both street demand and prices should go down over time.

Hmm. We need to start more churches as well. Hit Mr Fisher in the pocketbook since a wider supply of Jesus should drop demand and prices.
;)
//

143 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:37:51am

re: #140 A Mom Anon

I hope the dog heals well and feels up for walks soon.

The waking in the dark and getting home from work in the dark thing is pretty depressing for me as well.
:(

(Back to catching up with work email. Only 5800 messages in my in-box when I got here. Luckily a lot of it is junk warning messages from a known issue that I can just delete w/o reading.)

144 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:38:25am

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

Not to mention every firefighter, law enforcement officer, DOT road crew that keeps roads functioning, teachers, etc.

He's totally clueless about the social compact that keeps society humming. Wishful thinking isn't a substitute for government.

145 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:39:33am

re: #144 lawhawk

Not to mention every firefighter, law enforcement officer, DOT road crew that keeps roads functioning, teachers, etc.

He's totally clueless about the social compact that keeps society humming. Wishful thinking isn't a substitute for government.

I wonder if he really believes it or if he's just shilling bullshit for his followers.

146 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:42:11am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

I wonder if he really believes it or if he's just shilling bullshit for his followers.

I hope the former since there is an educational possibility that he will learn better and stop. The latter simply means that he is scum, and being so with full knowledge that he is spreading lies and deceit for personal gain.

147 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:42:29am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

I wonder if he really believes it or if he's just shilling bullshit for his followers.

I think he's just trolling Twitter for teh lulz.

148 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:43:10am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

I wonder if he really believes it or if he's just shilling bullshit for his followers.

Either way, he's an idiot, either for believing it or bullshitting others into believing it.

149 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:49:13am

re: #148 Targetpractice

Either way, he's an idiot, either for believing it or bullshitting others into believing it.

Actually, the latter wouldn't make an idiot, it would prove him evil. Of course, he could be both, and I think his is (an evil idiot, that is).

150 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:55:16am

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Actually, the latter wouldn't make an idiot, it would prove him evil. Of course, he could be both, and I think his is (an evil idiot, that is).

It's still early for me, my brain is only operating at half-capacity.

151 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 6:02:10am


Heh. Proof that Zionists control the world. :)

152 BongCrodny  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 6:06:48am

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

Bryan's Tweets make me want to throw my fist through the monitor.

[Embedded content]


(All those Soldiers, Sailors and Marines, sucking up wealth)

Religious crackpot obsesses about wealth. Jesus who?

153 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 6:09:39am

re: #152 BongCrodny

Religious crackpot obsesses about wealth. Jesus who?

Didn't you know? The Good Book was wrong, Jesus was totally buddies with the money changers and regularly kicked beggars in the teeth for having the gall to ask him for money. And when he turned water into wine? Yeah, he sent the bill for all that wine the very next day.

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154 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 6:14:44am

re: #153 Targetpractice

Didn't you know? The Good Book was wrong, Jesus was totally buddies with the money changers and regularly kicked beggars in the teeth for having the gall to ask him for money. And when he turned water into wine? Yeah, he sent the bill for all that wine the very next day.

///

And he cured the lepers simply to get them to stop asking for free stuff. Not that they were satisfied with that in any case...
///

155 BongCrodny  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 6:14:52am

re: #127 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Because no one ever tried to rip off a pot grow house in WA. before it was legalized there?

[Embedded content]

If anything this should start happening less often now as many more people feel free to grow their own without any real fear of prosecution. Both street demand and prices should go down over time.

That's spectacularly dumb, even by Fischer's standards.

His argument seems to be that the growers were able to plant and grow marijuana in 24 hours. What if the robbers had broken in 24 hours earlier?

I'm embarrassed for the Los Angeles Times, stooping so low as to use such a boogeyman headline.

157 BongCrodny  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 6:17:59am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

OFFS
Antonin Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Judge Dreddful.

158 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 6:32:52am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

OFFS
Antonin Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Meanwhile, bailiffs had to check Clarence Thomas just to make sure he still had a pulse.

//

Scalia's not even faking impartiality anymore. You couldn't find a surer bet outside of Vegas.

159 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 6:41:11am
160 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 6:43:14am

re: #159 lawhawk

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We lost billions in TARP! We're never gonna make that money back! The country's gonna collapse!!!!

162 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 6:57:24am

re: #160 Targetpractice

AIG got $182.3 billion from the feds (Treasury and Federal Reserve) and has repaid $205 billion, giving a $22.7 billion profit. That's roughly a 12.4% rate of return.

As for the rest of TARP, there's still an issue with the auto bailout portion since the Treasury-owed GM shares are still underwater and it would take a significant share price gain to break even on sales. Selling off those shares would further depress the stock price and solidify the losses; right now the losses are paper losses that could be reversed if GM can further improve sales, profits, and get investors to get bullish on the company's outlook.

TARP has worked out better than envisioned, since there was an expectation that taxpayers would never see the investments recouped. Losses have been pared back significantly, and some portions of the plan have actually returned profits.

163 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 6:58:56am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

OFFS
Antonin Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

He also claims he's using the 'reduction to the absurd' to make his point. In that case, however, the 'reduction to the absurd' isn't really relevant. He's just covering his ass.

164 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:00:42am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

OFFS
Antonin Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

This makes perfect sense to any fundamentalist Christian or Muslim: Homosexuality, murder, rape, incest, bestiality, abortion, etc are all abominations unto the Lord/Allah and should all be forbidden by law.

To allow one is to open the door for the others.

165 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:02:53am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

OFFS
Antonin Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

He's a jackass. Just another reason it's a good thing that Obama won re-election because Romney sees Scalia as a model justice.

166 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:03:42am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

OFFS
Antonin Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

"It's a form of argument that I thought you would have known, which is called the `reduction to the absurd,'" Scalia told Hosie of San Francisco during the question-and-answer period. "If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"

Scalia said he is not equating sodomy with murder but drawing a parallel between the bans on both.

Then he deadpanned: "I'm surprised you aren't persuaded."

Hosie said afterward that he was not persuaded by Scalia's answer. He said he believes Scalia's writings tend to "dehumanize" gays.

(Bolding mine.) Please don't write that the subject of the article said something he explicitly stated he was not saying.

167 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:04:18am

To be clear, a reduction to the absurd is only useful when you're countering something that's false.

Basically, Scalia is trying to say that we can legislate against morality, because if we couldn't, we couldn't legislate against murder. But we don't legislate against murder because of morality, we legislate against it because it's infringing on someone else's rights.

It's weird to see him lie like that.

168 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:04:21am

Scalia is an as big "judicial activist" as those he and his allies deride and the best example of that is how he ruled on Lawrence V Texas.

169 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:05:03am

re: #164 Sol Berdinowitz

This makes perfect sense to any fundamentalist Christian or Muslim: Homosexuality, murder, rape, incest, bestiality, abortion, etc are all abominations unto the Lord/Allah and should all be forbidden by law.

To allow one is to open the door for the others.

His argument is one I've heard from plenty of those trying to make theology law, namely "our laws are based on our moral values," with "our" standing for "Mother Church." The church disagrees with abortion, so of course the "moral" thing to do is outlaw it. It's a view that cannot stand equally with a belief in equal protection and personal liberty.

170 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:07:50am

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

(Bolding mine.) Please don't write that the subject of the article said something he explicitly stated he was not saying.

Unfortunately, what he was saying made no sense.

If you think it did, can you explain Scalia's argumentem ad absurdem?

171 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:10:20am

We don't legislate against adultery, we don't legislate against unprotected sex, we don't legislate against sex between unmarried people-- the only possible way for scalia's argument to legislate against homosexuality would be to justified would be if we also legislated against heterosexual conduct. Which we don't.

172 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:10:30am

He wasn't explicitly saying homosexuality is like murder but he was saying using an extreme logical fallacy that if you don't ban homosexuality due to morals, then you shouldn't be able to ban murder. That's nonsense. Would he be using that point on something like say alcohol use which many religions find the use of immoral. Scalia's an ass and continues to act like one. Really telling that this man is the model supreme court justice for present Republican candidates.

173 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:11:00am

re: #171 Obdicut

We don't legislate against adultery, we don't legislate against unprotected sex, we don't legislate against sex between unmarried people-- the only possible way for scalia's argument to legislate against homosexuality would be to justified would be if we also legislated against heterosexual conduct. Which we don't.

Precisely. It's bullshit.

174 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:13:17am

re: #171 Obdicut

We don't legislate against adultery, we don't legislate against unprotected sex, we don't legislate against sex between unmarried people-- the only possible way for scalia's argument to legislate against homosexuality would be to justified would be if we also legislated against heterosexual conduct. Which we don't.

He's saying don't legislate such conduct, but he thinks the Constitution permits such legislation.

175 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:14:19am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

He's saying don't legislate such conduct, but he thinks the Constitution permits such legislation.

That a Supreme Court Justice doesn't understand Equal Protection is not generally seen as a good sign.

176 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:14:56am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

He's saying don't legislate such conduct, but he thinks the Constitution permits such legislation.

No, Dark, that isn't what he said. He specifically said that he's using an reductio ad absurdum, using the idea of legislating against murder as an example of legislating based on morality.

This is incorrect. We don't criminalize murder because of morality, but because it's depriving someone else of their rights.

Do you understand?

177 BongCrodny  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:20:36am

re: #167 Obdicut

To be clear, a reduction to the absurd is only useful when you're countering something that's false.

Basically, Scalia is trying to say that we can legislate against morality, because if we couldn't, we couldn't legislate against murder. But we don't legislate against murder because of morality, we legislate against it because it's infringing on someone else's rights.

It's weird to see him lie like that.

This. When I read stories praising Scalia for being a great thinker, I have to confess I'm pretty happy being a meathead.

178 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:20:59am

Let's be honest here. We legislate based on our feelings about homosexuality and other things that are deemed sinful. Two guys fucking, gross, let's outlaw it. Two women fucking, let's take a more nuanced approach because it sometimes gives us wood. To me, that's part of why many religions show a double standard because their feelings about homosexuality not their morality are the driving force.

179 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:24:16am

Good morning lizards!

180 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:25:34am

What I was really trying to say was that Scalia did not say the homosexuality was like murder, which I Alouette's post could be read to mean by someone who didn't click through.

I'm not interested in talking about the matter beyond that.

181 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:27:21am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Malum in se versus malum prohibitum.

Scalia is obfuscating the two, when they have clear distinctions.

Legislating marriage would fall into a malum prohibitum situation where we're talking about a government legislating conduct as criminal or prohibited. Some legislature deemed that this is conduct to be criminalized.

Murder as an act is so repulsive and violates society's standards for allowable conduct that it is illegal. That's a textbook case of malum in se crimes.

In other words, murder, rape, and theft are so violative of societal conduct that they are illegal on their face.

What Scalia may be trying to do is claim that gay marriage is something that falls into the malum in se category when it does no such thing. Muddying the waters - not merely engaging in reducto ad absurdum.

182 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:29:38am

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

What I was really trying to say was that Scalia did not say the homosexuality was like murder, which I Alouette's post could be read to mean by someone who didn't click through.

I'm not interested in talking about the matter beyond that.

But he did. He said he used a reductio ad absurdum, which necessarily means he's comparing murder to homosexuality and saying they're both 'moral' offenses and that's what we base our legislation on.

I know you're trying to deny this, but the problem is your denial has no force to it because it's obviously true that that's what Scalia is saying.

You are simply reflexively denying the truth. Instead, why not think about how this truth might alter your opinion of Scalia's legal reasoning on this point? He's only human.

183 Interesting Times  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:31:12am

Scalia is a primitive bigot. Full stop.

184 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:38:38am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Let's be honest here. We legislate based on our feelings about homosexuality and other things that are deemed sinful. Two guys fucking, gross, let's outlaw it. Two women fucking, let's take a more nuanced approach because it sometimes gives us wood. To me, that's part of why many religions show a double standard because their feelings about homosexuality not their morality are the driving force.

It also does not help if the leaders of the religions are themselves repressed, self-loathing homosexuals...

185 darthstar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:38:53am

Mornin' everyone...what's shakin'?

186 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:39:36am

re: #185 darthstar

Mornin' everyone...what's shakin'?

if it's shaken more than three times it's bein' played with!!!

187 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:39:51am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Let's be honest here. We legislate based on our feelings about homosexuality and other things that are deemed sinful. Two guys fucking, gross, let's outlaw it. Two women fucking, let's take a more nuanced approach because it sometimes gives us wood. To me, that's part of why many religions show a double standard because their feelings about homosexuality not their morality are the driving force.

Yup, the world must revolve around the adolescent males tingly feelings.

*spit*

188 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:40:04am

and how is everyone this am?

189 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:40:22am

re: #186 Sol Berdinowitz

if it's shaken more than three times it's bein' played with!!!

TMI

190 Interesting Times  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:40:40am

re: #185 darthstar

Mornin' everyone...what's shakin'?

Scalia, in his boots, at the icky immoral thought of two men marrying.

191 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:41:24am

re: #187 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Yup, the world must revolve around the adolescent males tingly feelings.

*spit*

It's all so very stupid.

192 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:41:45am

re: #185 darthstar

Mornin' everyone...what's shakin'?

The usual, Darth, martinis and skirts.

/(Geek moment)

193 darthstar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:42:24am

re: #190 Interesting Times

Scalia, in his boots, at the icky immoral thought of two men marrying.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT!!!it might make me teh ghey

194 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:42:34am

re: #186 Sol Berdinowitz

if it's shaken more than three times it's bein' played with!!!

195 darthstar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:43:08am

re: #192 Targetpractice

The usual, Darth, martinis and skirts.

/(Geek moment)

A properly shaken skirt can be quite stirring.

196 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:43:20am

re: #185 darthstar

Not much.

197 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:44:00am

Rebel video gamer tech in Syria...

Syrian rebels make ‘Playstation tank’

A group of Syrian rebels has constructed a makeshift armored vehicle whose weaponry is controlled by a Sony Playstation video game controller, the AFP reported this week.

The vehicle, which “took a month to build” according to Mahmud Abud from the al-Ansar rebel brigade, is a car chassis completely enclosed in 2.5-cm. steel armor with a 7.62-mm machine gun mounted on top.

Cameras positioned around the outside enable the vehicle to be piloted by its driver, while the machine gun is aimed and fired by a gunner using a video game controller and a fifth camera.

It was unclear from the report if the vehicle, which Abud said cost $10,000 to build, has been deployed in the field.

198 darthstar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:44:01am

re: #186 Sol Berdinowitz

if it's shaken more than three times it's bein' played with!!!

I found that restriction unrealistic, so I always said, "If you shake it more than thirty times you're playing with it."

199 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:44:58am

re: #196 lawhawk

Not much.

ah, I know understand what's shakin'.

200 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:45:10am

re: #197 NJDhockeyfan

Rebel video gamer tech in Syria...

Syrian rebels make ‘Playstation tank’

It was unclear from the report if the vehicle, which Abud said cost $10,000 to build, has been deployed in the field.

Somebody's played too much CoD.

201 darthstar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:45:27am

re: #196 lawhawk

Not much.

You need to have more faith in plate tectonics. BTW, saw your tweet on the bailout. Saving the economy for fun and profit...I like it.

202 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:46:13am

re: #200 Targetpractice

Somebody's played too much CoD.

That tank needs moar heat sinks!

203 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:48:39am

re: #201 darthstar

I have plenty of faith in plate tectonics. That's why I've invested in beachfront property around Palm Springs, CA. Or is that global warming.

204 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:48:49am

re: #197 NJDhockeyfan

Rebel video gamer tech in Syria...

Syrian rebels make ‘Playstation tank’

It's pretty cool but the tires are still a weak spot. I still give them an A for effort.

205 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:49:22am

re: #197 NJDhockeyfan

They've got to watch out for overclocking. /

That and someone with a faster keypad.

206 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:50:18am

re: #192 Targetpractice

The usual, Darth, martinis and skirts.

/(Geek moment)

Geeks wear skirts when they drink martinis?

What kind of shoes?

207 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:50:32am

re: #205 lawhawk

They've got to watch out for overclocking. /

That and someone with a faster keypad.

"That fucker's wallhacking!"

208 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:51:07am

re: #206 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Geeks wear skirts when they drink martinis?

What kind of shoes?

It's best not to think about it. Trust me, fewer brain scars that way.

/

209 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:51:18am

re: #207 Targetpractice

"They fucker's wallhacking!"

OMFG HAX

210 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:52:46am
211 darthstar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:55:08am

re: #203 lawhawk

I have plenty of faith in plate tectonics. That's why I've invested in beachfront property around Palm Springs, CA. Or is that global warming.

A little bit of both and you're golden. Hey, Palm Springs is only 440 feet above sea level...that'll be quite pretty when it happens, and the water will be accessible. I'd thought it was around 1500 feet, in which case one could make a pretty penny building staircases to the beach for people.

212 BongCrodny  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:58:44am

re: #198 darthstar

I found that restriction unrealistic, so I always said, "If you shake it more than thirty times you're playing with it."

So if I shake it 29 times I'm cool?

213 darthstar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:59:07am
214 darthstar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:00:15am

re: #212 BongCrodny

So if I shake it 29 times I'm cool?

Unless you reach a happy ending at 28...

215 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:00:30am

Holy hell!

Valuable WWII Gun at Police Buy-Back

Just like a scene out of "Antiques Roadshow," a woman in Hartford, Conn., turned in an old rifle to her local police station's gun buy-back, only to discover the gun was worth anywhere from $20,000 to $25,000. The woman, who wishes to remain anonymous, inherited the gun from her father who had brought it home with him from Europe as a memento from World War II.

The two officers conducting the gun buy-back, who are resident gun experts for the Hartford Police Department, informed the owner she was in possession of a Nazi Assault Rifle, the first of its kind, that dates back to 1944.

The gun is called a Sturmgewehr 44, literally meaning "storm rifle," and is the first "modern assault rifle ever made, eventually replaced by the AK 47 in 1947 by Russia, who copied the German design of the Sturmgewehr 44," Officer Lewis Crabtree, one of the two officers who discovered the gun, told ABC News.

"It's like finding the Babe Ruth of baseball cards," said Officer John Cavanna. "The rarity, it was made for such a very short period."

216 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:01:19am

Not good news...

Syria's Assad Will Use Chemical Weapons, Says Former General, Now Defector

A former top general in Syria's chemical weapons program says he doesn't doubt for a moment that President Bashar al-Assad will deploy his chemical weapons arsenal as he tries to hold onto power and crush the uprising that started almost two years ago.

"The regime started to fall and deteriorate. It's coming to its end," said retired Major General Adnan Sillou in an interview in a hotel near Antakya, on Turkey's southern border with Syria. "It's highly possible that he'll start using [chemical weapons] to kill his own people because this regime is a killer."

Sillou told ABC News that until September 2008, he was chief of staff on the defensive side of the chemical weapons program. He said he was in charge of training soldiers against attacks and contact with the weapons, as well as procuring safety equipment to guard against them.

He listed mustard gas along with the sarin, VX and tabun nerve agents as the main elements in Syria's chemical arsenal, whose existence Syria doesn't even acknowledge. Foreign intelligence officials and analysts have focused on the first three as the main threats, and last week U.S. officials said there was evidence sarin had not only been moved, but its binary components, usually stored separately, had been combined and placed into bombs for use.

Sillou accuses Assad's forces of already spraying pesticides and dropping white phosphorous, claims also made by opposition activists.

"They're idiots, crazy. Simply they are killers," he said.

217 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:02:16am

re: #197 NJDhockeyfan

Rebel video gamer tech in Syria...

Syrian rebels make ‘Playstation tank’

It was unclear from the report if the vehicle, which Abud said cost $10,000 to build, has been deployed in the field.

That would be an absolute deathtrap in combat. I did tanks in the US Army; that thing is simply a steel coffin. The armor won't stop heavy MG fire (12 mm & 14mm soviet are plentiful in the Syrian Army) much less an RPG or anti-vehicular mine. The 7.62 mg is only good for making enemy infantry that are straight ahead of the vehicle keep their heads down until they have to change the belt (one of many reasons real tanks have more than one weapon). At which point they pop up with RPG's. Boom. End of pretend tank and all crew. Especially if (and since I pulled a KT and didn't actually read the fine article) it's a gasoline powered chassis instead of diesel in which case it'll zippo even faster than a M4 Sherman.

218 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:06:09am

re: #217 William Barnett-Lewis

That would be an absolute deathtrap in combat. I did tanks in the US Army; that thing is simply a steel coffin. The armor won't stop heavy MG fire (12 mm & 14mm soviet are plentiful in the Syrian Army) much less an RPG or anti-vehicular mine. The 7.62 mg is only good for making enemy infantry that are straight ahead of the vehicle keep their heads down until they have to change the belt (one of many reasons real tanks have more than one weapon). At which point they pop up with RPG's. Boom. End of pretend tank and all crew. Especially if (and since I pulled a KT and didn't actually read the fine article) it's a gasoline powered chassis instead of diesel in which case it'll zippo even faster than a M4 Sherman.

At least the ad-hoc self-propelled howitzer we saw in Libya had a purpose, albeit a very limited one. This sucker's not even good for urban warfare.

219 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:08:14am

re: #215 Targetpractice

Holy hell!

Valuable WWII Gun at Police Buy-Back

kudos to the officers for not taking the gun in the buy-back and selling it themselves.

220 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:08:43am

re: #215 Targetpractice

Holy hell!

Valuable WWII Gun at Police Buy-Back

Yeah, I saw that. Supposedly they have all the papers, but it was unclear if it was registered with ATF in the 1965 amnesty or not. If yes, $50,000+ transferable NFA weapon. If no, illegal MG that must, by law, be scrapped by ATF with no compensation to the prior owners. ATF is not fun to deal with regarding these kinds of questions. If the Hughes act (thank Reagan, you anti-gun bastard) were repealed it could be added to the registry but right now no civilian can own a new fully automatic or selective fire NFA weapon - and if unregistered, the STG-44 would be considered "new".

221 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:09:09am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

Matthew Inman ("The Oatmeal") totally pwns Buzzfeed.

You know, Stuef... there's a saying where I come from: don't start no shit, won't be no shit.

That chop of Trig and its associated comment is just inexcusable.

Enjoy being pwned by someone who is capable of carving you up like a turkey, fuckhead.

222 darthstar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:09:41am
223 darthstar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:10:45am

re: #216 NJDhockeyfan

Not good news...

Syria's Assad Will Use Chemical Weapons, Says Former General, Now Defector

You're not even shaking it and you're already playing with it.

224 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:13:32am
225 BongCrodny  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:14:01am

re: #213 darthstar

[Embedded content]

It used to be that a corporation couldn't own more than 7 AM, 7 FM and 7 TV stations.

We gave up a lot when we gave up that rule.

Here's a timeline for anyone interested:

In the 1970’s Licensees were limited to a total of 7 television licenses, 7 AM radio licenses, and 7 FM radio licenses nationwide; known as the 7-7-7 rule.

1985 the 7-7-7 rule was upgraded to the 12-12-12 rule.

1992 saw the rules relaxed even further to the 12-18-18 rule.

Telecommunications Act of 1996 changed regulation so that a single company cannot own more than eight radio stations in a given market, however, there is no limit on the number of radio stations one company can own nationwide.

In August 1999 the FCC created the “eight voices” test and the 35% rule. The rule said that Locally-a company may own two TV stations in the same market (a duopoly) as long as eight individual voices still exist. Nationally- No company may own more than 35% of the nation’s TV audience.

Information courtesy of 02e1390.netsolhost.com.

I read that last sentence to mean that it's possible that control could ultimately be winnowed down to *three* corporations controlling the TV market: 35%, 35% and 30%. That may not happen, but like Senator Sanders says, we've gone from 50 to 6 in under 30 years. Is it such a stretch to believe it could go from 6 to 3?

My biggest beef with Clinton wasn't DOMA (although I wasn't overjoyed by his embrace of it_ -- it was his support of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 that really rankled me.

226 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:14:36am

re: #221 TedStriker

You know, Stuef... there's a saying where I come from: don't start no shit, won't be no shit.

That chop of Trig and its associated comment is just inexcusable.

Enjoy being pwned by someone who is capable of carving you up like a turkey, fuckhead.

I think he was inspired by that Gawker article a while back that outed some redditor and generated a lot of publicity. It is kind of creepy that journalists now think of anonymous individuals posting on popular sites as easy targets.

227 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:16:45am

re: #226 Killgore Trout

I think he was inspired by that Gawker article a while back that outed some redditor and generated a lot of publicity. It is kind of creepy that journalists now think of anonymous individuals posting on popular sites as easy targets.

Matthew Inman is less anonymous that you are.

228 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:16:57am

Holy fuck! What a shitbag artist....

Gallery pulls Swede's Holocaust ash paintings

An art exhibit featuring works by a Swedish artist claiming he used paint mixed from the ashes of Holocaust victims has been closed following a storm of criticism.

...Carl Michael von Hausswolff claims he used ashes taken in 1989 from a crematorium at the Majdanek concentration camp and mixed them with water to nine paintings featured in the exhibit entitled "Memory Works".

Upon learning of the exhibit, Shimon Samuels, director for international relations at the Simon Wiesenthal Centre in the United States issued a stinging rebuke of von Hausswolff, comparing him to the Nazis.

"Mr. von Hausswolff, you, like the Nazis' use of human skin for lampshades and fat to produce soap have similarly twice murdered the bodies that were once the ashes you have desecrated, turning art into abomination," wrote Samuels in an open letter on the Centre's website.

"Hitler, as an aspirant painter, would have surely applauded."

229 BongCrodny  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:17:35am

re: #224 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Well come on over baby.

Ooh! The Killer!

If you're unfamiliar with it, you should check out his "Last Man Standing" album. It's not deep, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that Lewis and his guest stars had a shitload of fun working on that album.

230 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:17:48am

re: #228 NJDhockeyfan

Holy fuck! What a shitbag artist....

Gallery pulls Swede's Holocaust ash paintings

Just a little morbid, huh?

Psycopathic -maybe????

231 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:19:56am

re: #229 BongCrodny

Ooh! The Killer!

If you're unfamiliar with it, you should check out his "Last Man Standing" album. It's not deep, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that Lewis and his guest stars had a shitload of fun working on that album.

The thing is that if anyone would have taken a abt 30-40 years ago, no one would have bet on Jerry Lee being the last man standing. And he is still going strong, from what I understand.

232 BongCrodny  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:22:18am

re: #231 Holidays are Family Fun Time

The thing is that if anyone would have taken a abt 30-40 years ago, no one would have bet on Jerry Lee being the last man standing. And he is still going strong, from what I understand.

If I were into dead pools, Jerry Lee Lewis would have made my short list *every* year.

233 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:22:41am

re: #230 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Just a little morbid, huh?

Psycopathic -maybe????

There are some pretty sick people out there. How this idiot was able to open an art exhibit is mind numbing.

234 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:22:47am

If anyone read upthread my 29 and 18, one of the young ladies TXT me that she is going to try to have a conference with the Gen Manager and HR. Seems like a good way to start.

235 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:23:29am

re: #219 Holidays are Family Fun Time

kudos to the officers for not taking the gun in the buy-back and selling it themselves.

They couldn't legally touch it even as a turn in. The NFA is a hornet's nest of nasty law that is, in many places, self-contradictory. I know if I learned of someone's grampa's bringback that was one of these or the like (MP40, MG42, FG42, etc) I'd run screaming the other way & I would love to be able to own one. But there is some nasty law that got passed in the wake of the bank robbery hay-day.

236 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:24:10am

re: #233 NJDhockeyfan

There are some pretty sick people out there. How this idiot was able to open an art exhibit is mind numbing.

I found Body Worlds a bit much for me. Even tho as I was going thru the exhibit, I found it soooo interesting. It was creepy too! I don't think I could go thru it twice.

237 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:24:47am

re: #235 William Barnett-Lewis

They couldn't legally touch it even as a turn in. The NFA is a hornet's nest of nasty law that is, in many places, self-contradictory. I know if I learned of someone's grampa's bringback that was one of these or the like (MP40, MG42, FG42, etc) I'd run screaming the other way & I would love to be able to own one. But there is some nasty law that got passed in the wake of the bank robbery hay-day.

of all people, I think cops could find a way.

238 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:26:31am

re: #236 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I found Body Worlds a bit much for me. Even tho as I was going thru the exhibit, I found it soooo interesting. It was creepy too! I don't think I could go thru it twice.

The creep factor is very high on that.

239 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:28:09am
240 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:28:10am

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

The creep factor is very high on that.

Yeah, and everyone involved, I think did everything possible to create an atmosphere of respect.

241 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:28:53am

re: #237 Holidays are Family Fun Time

of all people, I think cops could find a way.

Possession of an unregistered selective fire NFA is good for 10 years in Club Fed and a $10,000 fine. ATF makes Honey Badger seem very caring...

242 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:29:18am

re: #239 Gus

[Embedded content]

“Every tinhorned dictator in the world has a bill of rights.”

WHAT????????

243 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:29:50am

Our old pal Barrett Brown is in the news again.

Former Anonymous Spokesman Indicted for Linking to Stolen Data

Barrett Brown, a former spokesman for Anonymous, was recently indicted by a federal grand jury for possessing and transmitting stolen credit card numbers in connection with the group's 2011 hack of Stratfor Global Intelligence.

"Brown acted as the public face of Anonymous during its rise to fame, but he left the group in May 2011, telling Ars, 'There's little quality control in a movement like that, which was not a huge problem when the emphasis was on assisting with North African revolutions and those who came on board thus tended to be of a certain sort. But as things like OpSony [a May 2011 hack of Sony's PlayStation Network] arise, you attract a lot of people whose interest is in fucking with video game companies,'" writes Ars Technica's Megan Geuss.

"The indictment alleges that Brown possessed at least 10 stolen credit-card numbers and card-verification values (CVVs), and also shared a link to a document that contained thousands more stolen credit-card numbers," writes TechNewsDaily's Paul Wagenseil. "He faces 45 years in prison if convicted on all counts. However, the indictment does not allege that Brown himself stole the credit-card numbers or that he profited from having them. It states that merely possessing the numbers shows 'intent to defraud.'"

Heh.

244 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:30:34am

re: #242 Holidays are Family Fun Time

WHAT????????

...

“It’s a form of argument that I thought you would have known, which is called the ‘reduction to the absurd,’” Scalia told Hosie of San Francisco during the question-and-answer period. “If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?”

Scalia said he is not equating sodomy with murder but drawing a parallel between the bans on both.

Then he deadpanned: “I’m surprised you aren’t persuaded.”

245 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:30:57am

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

Our old pal Barrett Brown is in the news again.

Former Anonymous Spokesman Indicted for Linking to Stolen Data

Heh.

Yeah, only in the game as a public service for freedom.

246 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:31:08am

BBIAB. The pharmacy needs to know that my insurance says my BP meds should cost $5 not $125... :bang head:

247 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:31:15am

But teh Reagan was teh moderate! LOL!

248 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:31:45am

re: #244 Gus

...

I don't get the dictator and Bill of Rights reference. He is he saying the Bill of Rights is meaningless?

249 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:32:11am

re: #226 Killgore Trout

I think he was inspired by that Gawker article a while back that outed some redditor and generated a lot of publicity. It is kind of creepy that journalists now think of anonymous individuals posting on popular sites as easy targets.

You mean, when the guy who posted lots of jailbait pictures was outed? Yeah, I remember you having a problem with that guy being outed. Can you explain why it's bad to reveal the identity of someone like that again?

250 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:32:26am
251 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:32:37am
252 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:33:15am

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

Feel good story of the day...

Anonymous donor pays off Walmart layaway bills for 53 families

This seems to happen every year at Xmas. I love it. Wish I could do the same.

253 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:33:38am

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

Feel good story of the day...

Anonymous donor pays off Walmart layaway bills for 53 families

Feed-bad story of the decade:

Anonymous taxpayers pay emergency medical bills and food stamps for thousands of Wal-Mart employees

254 bratwurst  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:36:51am

re: #225 BongCrodny

My biggest beef with Clinton wasn't DOMA (although I wasn't overjoyed by his embrace of it_ -- it was his support of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 that really rankled me.

Here was a case where the results of the Telecommunications Act were life threatening!

255 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:41:04am

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

Feel good story of the day...

Anonymous donor pays off Walmart layaway bills for 53 families

Layaway plans are used by businesses to encourage poor customers to buy stuff they can't afford.

Credit cards do the same thing, but the demographic targeted by Walmart don't qualify for credit cards.

256 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:42:54am

re: #255 Vicious Babushka

Layaway plans are used by businesses to encourage poor customers to buy stuff they can't afford.

Credit cards do the same thing, but the demographic targeted by Walmart don't qualify for credit cards.

HUMANS!! Always wanting what they shouldn't.

257 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:44:01am

re: #255 Vicious Babushka

Layaway plans are used by businesses to encourage poor customers to buy stuff they can't afford.

Credit cards do the same thing, but the demographic targeted by Walmart don't qualify for credit cards.

Just about every store that I can remember offered layaways.

258 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:44:09am

re: #256 Holidays are Family Fun Time

HUMANS!! Always wanting what they shouldn't.

HUMANS!! Always taking advantage of folks who want stuff they can't afford.

259 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:45:13am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

HUMANS!! Always taking advantage of folks who want stuff they can't afford.

Like emergency health care and food...

260 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:45:58am

re: #259 Sol Berdinowitz

Like emergency health care and food...

Never mind that! We gotta buy Christmas gifts at Walmart on layaway!

261 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:46:22am

re: #259 Sol Berdinowitz

Like emergency health care and food...

Winter coats and boots for their kids . . . .

262 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:46:27am

Bomb Canada!

Wait, wrong thread.
/

263 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:48:45am

Is it just me, or are people getting dumber:

I'd call this a Salvatore Dali Clock.

Or is it that i'm an Art Major?

The description talks about Dali, but I still don't get the title.

264 BongCrodny  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:50:42am

re: #254 bratwurst

Here was a case where the results of the Telecommunications Act were life threatening!

I remember reading about that, but it's good to be reminded of it.

Remember, if a cloud of toxic smoke threatens your city...just wait for the billboard to let you know what steps to take.

265 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:50:54am

re: #262 Varek Raith

Bomb Canada CHINA!

Wait, wrong thread.
/

FTFY

266 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:51:47am
267 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:52:24am

I have to be productive.

Have a great day all!

268 Interesting Times  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:52:47am

re: #263 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Is it just me, or are people getting dumber:

I'd call this a Salvatore Dali Clock.

Or is it that i'm an Art Major?

The description talks about Dali, but I still don't get the title.

I think it's meant to be a pun on "Hello, Dolly"

269 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:53:18am

Just when I thought I couldn't hate BJ Fischer with a hate more raging than the fire of a thousand suns,

270 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:54:31am
271 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:57:46am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

Just when I thought I couldn't hate BJ Fischer with a hate more raging than the fire of a thousand suns,

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Spoken like a man who's never worked a blue-collar job in his life.

272 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:58:42am

re: #270 Vicious Babushka

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273 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 8:59:20am

re: #271 Targetpractice

Spoken like a man who's never worked a blue-collar job in his life.

He gets "donations" from the Koch's & other sleazy 1%s, but that's not "welfare"//

274 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:06:52am

Scientists name extinct lizard after President Obama

The scientific community has come up with an unusual way of honoring President Barack Obama after his re-election--by naming an extinct lizard after him.

"I was seriously thinking, if the election had gone the other way, I would have yanked it," Yale paleontologist Nicholas Longrich told the Boston Globe. "It might have seemed like we were mocking it, naming a lizard that goes extinct after that, seemed kind of cruel."

The newly named Obamadon gracilis was a small lizard that fed off of insects and was about a foot long before going extinct about 65 million years ago.

But Longrich and his peers say no one should read any political commentary into the choice. "We're just having fun with taxonomy," he said.

And as NBC's Cosmic Log points out, this is actually the third organism named after Obama, including a fish (Etheostoma obama) and lichen (Caloplaca obamae).

275 Flounder  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:11:14am

re: #140 A Mom Anon

I hope your dad gets better and feels better. Sorry about your pup. A similar thing happened to my hound, 20-30 staples. Don't get alarmed if the wound starts to smell or if the staples don't hold, they didn't on my dog, his "skin" turned black, but he recovered fine. We just had to fit him with the cone of shame. Don't sweat it, tomorrow is another day.

276 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:14:48am
277 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:15:06am

re: #276 Gus

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OH FUCK

278 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:17:02am

re: #276 Gus

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Was reading just now about how the Michigan Capital building is filled past capacity and that classes were cancelled so teachers and students alike could attend the protests.

Whole thing's got a rather Wisconsin feel to it right now.

279 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:20:28am

Huge Asteroid to Pass Earth Tonight: How to Watch Online

A giant asteroid will make a flyby of Earth over the next few days, and armchair astronomers can watch the action live on their computers.

The near-Earth asteroid 4179 Toutatis, which is about 3 miles (5 kilometers) wide, will zoom within 4.3 million miles (7 million kilometers) of Earth during its closest approach early Wednesday morning (Dec. 12). That's too far away to pose any impact threat on this pass, but close enough to put on a pretty good show through top-notch telescopes, researchers say.

And some of those scopes will be tracking Toutatis' movements for the benefit of skywatchers around the world. The online Slooh Space Camera and Virtual Telescope Project, for example, will both stream live, free footage of the asteroid from professional-quality observatories.
Slooh will webcast Toutatis views from a scope in the Canary Islands off the west coast of Africa beginning at 3 p.m. EST (2000 GMT) today (Dec. 11). Another show will follow at 10 p.m. EST tonight (0300 GMT Wednesday), with footage from an instrument in Arizona. You can watch them at Slooh's website: [Link: www.slooh.com....]

Cool!

280 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:22:29am

I knew I could count on state legislatures to continue driving America in the wrong direction.

281 Mattand  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:25:54am

re: #276 Gus

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Been following this on Maddow's show. What's really upsetting is that these governors have been hiding their ulterior motives from the electorate.

The reason, of course, is that if they were honest about what their true intentions were, they'd have never been elected in the first place.

I won't be surprised if this comes here to NJ soon, despite the fact Christie won major concessions (with the Democrats's help) from unions last year.

I'm sure four years from now, it'll be made permanent. Christie's no dummy; he's watching these other idiots take all the heat, and then he'll avoid their mistakes and get the same result.

282 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:26:21am

re: #280 Gus

I knew I could count on state legislatures to continue driving America in the wrong direction.

Hence all the talk about "states rights" and now secession in recent months. Had one neo-Confederate all but tell me that we need to bring back the Articles of Confederation.

283 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:30:12am

re: #276 Gus

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The GOP really doesn't like the 47%

284 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:32:47am
285 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:33:32am

U.S. Treasury to sell remaining AIG shares for $7.6 billion

The U.S. Treasury's sale of its remaining stake in American International Group Inc (AIG.N) will fetch $7.6 billion, bringing the government a total profit of $22.7 billion from its crisis-era bailout of the insurer.

The share offering will close the chapter on one of the most politically contentious rescues of 2008, which ultimately gave AIG up to $182 billion of government support.

At one point, the government estimated that it would never recover all of the bailout money, but as AIG restructured and returned to viability, it was able to repay the entire rescue fund plus generate a profit for U.S. taxpayers.

286 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:34:06am

re: #280 Gus

I knew I could count on state legislatures to continue driving America in the wrong direction.

It's cheaper and easier to buy a state legislature than it is to buy enough congress critters. And if you follow the money, I'd bet you'll find the same brothers behind Michigan's anti-American legislation as was the case in Wisconsin.

287 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:35:56am

re: #285 Killgore Trout

U.S. Treasury to sell remaining AIG shares for $7.6 billion

Hot Air put up a poll on this article
Does the profit off of the AIG bailout vindicate TARP?

74% say no.
Heh.

288 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:36:33am

re: #283 b_sharp

The GOP really doesn't like the 47%

The same people that think the minimum wage is a living wage.

289 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:37:11am

re: #284 NJDhockeyfan

How've you been? I haven't seen you around for a while.

290 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:37:52am

I have a feeling this is going to get ugly this afternoon.

Protesters, police clash at Capitol

LANSING — Witnesses say Michigan State Police have deployed chemical agents on the east side of the Capitol after a crowd attempted to move toward the Capitol.

Just after noon a line of Michigan State Police troopers in face shields began assisting Clinton County Sheriff’s Department Mounted Division staff on horses to prevent the crowd from moving toward the Capitol, which is at its capacity of 2,200.

The crowd was chanting “A union united will never be divided.”

Witnesses said after the officers on horses attempted to push the crowd back, and at least one person was knocked down and some sort of pepper spray was dispersed into the crowd. A State Journal reporter did not witness the chemical agent being dispersed but was affected by it.

The crowd was continuing to grow.

291 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:38:19am
292 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:40:08am

re: #290 NJDhockeyfan

I have a feeling this is going to get ugly this afternoon.

Protesters, police clash at Capitol

The Zombpocalypse begins.

293 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:43:02am

re: #288 Gus

The same people that think the minimum wage is a living wage.

Nobody thinks minimum wage is a living wage.

However I have had wingnuts try to "explain" to me that even though Walmart pays its workers less than a minimum wage they are still saving taxpayers money because if they weren't getting that pittance from Walmart

they would be getting EVEN MOAR WELFARE IF THEY'RE NOT WORKING AT ALL!1!ty

I'm like all WTF???

I think WALFARE is a good word to describe people who work but yet make so little that they need government assistance.

294 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:43:15am

re: #292 b_sharp

The Zombpocalypse begins.

They should just leave and "go shopping."

//

295 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:44:16am

re: #289 Killgore Trout

How've you been? I haven't seen you around for a while.

Hi KT. We went to see my family in Nashville for Thanksgiving. I try to go out there at least once a year. Every time we go we have a great time. My wife is from Virginia and we live in the house she grew up in. I've been telling her I would love to move out there but she tells me no every time.

This time was different. She looked at jobs while we were there and also found a few houses online for sale. They are much cheaper than here. When we got home she told me to find a job out there and she will sell the house while I'm in Nashville. How could I tell her no?

I've been looking at the job sites since then.

:)

296 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:46:36am

re: #295 NJDhockeyfan

Hi KT. We went to see my family in Nashville for Thanksgiving. I try to go out there at least once a year. Every time we go we have a great time. My wife is from Virginia and we live in the house she grew up in. I've been telling her I would love to move out there but she tells me no every time.

This time was different. She looked at jobs while we were there and also found a few houses online for sale. They are much cheaper than here. When we got home she told me to find a job out there and she will sell the house while I'm in Nashville. How could I tell her no?

I've been looking at the job sites since then.

:)

Congratulations!

297 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:48:03am
298 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:49:21am

re: #297 Gus

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Heh.

299 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:50:08am

re: #298 Varek Raith

Heh.

Apparently he stole my 1st grade class portrait. :O /

300 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:50:30am

I asked my DIL what do her kids want for Hanukkah. She just texted me that my granddaughter wants a makeup kit. She is 6 years old! SIX YEARS OLD. No freaking way.

I said pick out another room for that big dollhouse that I bought for them last year.

301 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:50:39am

re: #296 Killgore Trout

Congratulations!

Thanks. Most of the jobs I see are for engineers, retail manager or sales, insurance sales, and ...AVON!

I've applied for a few. Waiting to hear back from any of them.

302 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:52:15am

re: #300 Vicious Babushka

I asked my DIL what do her kids want for Hanukkah. She just texted me that my granddaughter wants a makeup kit. She is 6 years old! SIX YEARS OLD. No freaking way.

I said pick out another room for that big dollhouse that I bought for them last year.

My 10 year old is putting on makeup. She's learning about that at her modeling school. She just got her ears pierced on Saturday. My baby girl is becoming a little woman before my eyes.

303 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:52:56am

Right to work!
For shit wages.

304 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:53:38am

re: #303 Varek Raith

Right to work!
For shit wages.

Yeah, so what?! It's my choice!!!

305 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:54:31am

re: #303 Varek Raith

Right to work!
For shit wages.

WALFARE™

Hey. Get two people together making minimum wage and you can rent a nice duplex with a refrigerator and air conditioning.

//

306 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:55:53am
307 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:56:11am

re: #303 Varek Raith

Right to work!
For shit wages.

Tough love. //

308 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:57:43am

re: #305 Gus

WALFARE™

Hey. Get two people together making minimum wage and you can rent a nice duplex with a refrigerator and air conditioning.

//

309 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:58:49am
310 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:01:37am

I'm reading that Fox News is back on Park51 again.

311 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:01:41am

re: #306 Gus

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The optimist in me would like to think that voters will show this bastard some "tough love" when he's up for reelection, but the cynic in me says he's probably in a district so gerrymandered that it would go Democrat only after the Second Coming.

312 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:02:33am

re: #310 Gus

I'm reading that Fox News is back on Park51 again.

BENGHAZI!

313 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:02:40am

re: #310 Gus

I'm reading that Fox News is back on Park51 again.

The new outrages weren't taking so they had to dig out the old working ones.

314 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:04:54am

MAO ORNAMENT!

315 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:05:29am

re: #314 Varek Raith

MAO ORNAMENT!

Happy HOLIDAYS!

316 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:06:17am
317 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:06:53am

So now you right wing scum can stop fucking crying about how unions are ruining your country right? Who's next on your list? Fucking fascists.

318 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:06:53am
319 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:10:34am

re: #317 Amory Blaine

So now you right wing scum can stop fucking crying about how unions are ruining your country right? Who's next on your list? Fucking fascists.

Virginia is a right-to-work state and I'm not aware of any problems resulting from that.

321 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:11:30am
322 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:11:55am

re: #310 Gus

The Park51 group hasn't been conducting community activities as they had said, the prayer groups continue, but there's been no construction on site and the facade is unchanged; and from what I recall, the Park51 folks haven't worked out a deal with ConEd on back rents after a judge ruled earlier this year that the valuation on the property was correct.

In other words, things haven't changed. There's still no super mosque on site that will tower over the WTC (kinda hard to do when one realizes that 1WTC overshadows every other structure on the Eastern Seaboard other than the CN Tower and Willis Tower). Heck, even the stump structures at 3WTC is taller than the Park51 building.

From the Post and Fox News crowd, it's sound and fury signifying not much.

323 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:13:15am

re: #319 NJDhockeyfan

Of course you don't.

324 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:13:15am
325 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:14:27am
326 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:14:53am

re: #325 b_sharp

Skynet.

SHODAN

327 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:15:12am

re: #319 NJDhockeyfan

Virginia is a right-to-work state and I'm not aware of any problems resulting from that.

other than the fact that the median income has been declining and the middle class has lost nearly half of its wealth...

328 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:15:58am

re: #327 Sol Berdinowitz

Right wingers love that shit.

329 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:17:34am

re: #319 NJDhockeyfan

Virginia is a right-to-work state and I'm not aware of any problems resulting from that.

So is Mississippi. How is that working out for them?

330 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:18:57am
331 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:19:04am

re: #329 Eventual Carrion

So is Mississippi. How is that working out for them?

No idea.

332 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:19:31am

re: #327 Sol Berdinowitz

other than the fact that the median income has been declining and the middle class has lost nearly half of its wealth...

That's nation-wide.

333 JAFO  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:19:42am

re: #288 Gus

The same people that think the minimum wage is a living wage too generous.

ftfy

334 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:20:08am

re: #332 NJDhockeyfan

That's nation-wide.

do not follow your logic...

335 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:20:24am


Oh look, a happy Walmart worker! Riding a unicorn that he bought on layaway!

336 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:20:30am

re: #326 Varek Raith

SHODAN

Rodan

337 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:21:58am

re: #334 Sol Berdinowitz

do not follow your logic...

I thought your post about median income declining was meant for Virginia.

338 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:22:20am
339 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:22:22am

re: #335 Vicious Babushka

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Oh look, a happy Walmart worker! Riding a unicorn that he bought on layaway!

"drag on social tranquility."??? OFFS.

Shut up and get back to work!!

340 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:23:00am

re: #335 Vicious Babushka

There is little I despise more than unions and collective bargaining. What an anchor on economic growth and a drag on social tranquility.

I admire America for its virtues of self-reliance and personal initiative.

But how do we expect individuals and families with limited resources to negotiate on equal terms with multi-billion dollar corporations for terms of employment, health care or financial services?

341 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:23:09am
342 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:23:19am

Not enough violence.

343 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:24:42am

re: #342 Amory Blaine

Not enough violence.

Relax, they are working on it.

344 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:25:31am

Time for talk is over. Fascist republicans do not talk.

345 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:25:45am

re: #343 NJDhockeyfan

Relax, they are working on it.

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Battle of the Overpass II

346 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:26:52am

1 - Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states.

2 - The rate of employer-sponsored health insurance (ESI) is 2.6 percentage points lower in RTW states compared with non-RTW states.

3 - The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower in RTW states.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

347 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:28:31am

If RTW is such a great thing, why did the Gov have to sneak it in?
Hmmm????
/Rhetorical

348 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:28:48am

Why split the police off? Fucking hypocrites.

349 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:29:23am

re: #346 Varek Raith

1 - Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states.

2 - The rate of employer-sponsored health insurance (ESI) is 2.6 percentage points lower in RTW states compared with non-RTW states.

3 - The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower in RTW states.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

thanks for the stats. would be interesting to see them on a state-by-state basis...

350 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:29:57am

re: #220 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, I saw that. Supposedly they have all the papers, but it was unclear if it was registered with ATF in the 1965 amnesty or not. If yes, $50,000+ transferable NFA weapon. If no, illegal MG that must, by law, be scrapped by ATF with no compensation to the prior owners. ATF is not fun to deal with regarding these kinds of questions. If the Hughes act (thank Reagan, you anti-gun bastard) were repealed it could be added to the registry but right now no civilian can own a new fully automatic or selective fire NFA weapon - and if unregistered, the STG-44 would be considered "new".

There's one exception. It could be donated to a museum, at least in some cases. The NRA Firearms Museum has a number of rare guns that were saved in that manner.

351 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:31:02am

re: #336 b_sharp

Rodan

Don't call upon that nutcase! He hates this whole blog.

352 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:34:23am
353 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:36:07am

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

Don't call upon that nutcase! He hates this whole blog.

S/He doesn't even look human.

354 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:38:14am

X-37b now in orbit.

355 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:40:01am

Merry fucking Christmas.

356 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:41:10am

re: #347 Varek Raith

If RTW is such a great thing, why did the Gov have to sneak it in?
Hmmm????
/Rhetorical

Bueller?
Bueller?
Bueller?

357 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:43:04am

re: #353 b_sharp

S/He doesn't even look human.

Rodan is the nic of a guy who was banned from LGF years ago, but still hates on Charles and anyone who posts here from his Stalker Blog "Diary of Daedalus".

358 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:44:00am

We did this last year in Madison. Peacefully. We put our marching shoes on Mr. President. Where were you?

*crickets*

359 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:44:02am

re: #356 Varek Raith

Bueller?
Bueller?
Bueller?

The voters just don't know what's good for them. Surely when this law bears fruit, they'll come to love the GOP for passing it.

///

360 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:44:35am
361 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:45:50am

I see we are unable to defend RTW laws.
Shocka!
:)

362 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:50:02am
A Michigan State Representative says he's "enjoying" protests over the Right To Work bill.

State Representative Dave Agema, a Republican from Grandville, posted a message on his Facebook page shortly after a contentious vote on Michigan's "Right To Work" status.

Some 10,000 people are at the Capitol today, most of them opposed to the bill.

After a 58-51 vote one of the two "Right To Work" bills, Agema posted the following:

"Riot police on horses are now macing and pushing back the crowds who tried to storm the building. I fell like I'm back in the military- I'm rather enjoying this. It brings back memories."

According to his biography, Agema is a former fighter pilot and Lieutenant Colonel with the U.S. Air Force.

Agema is also one of two Michigan representatives to the Republican National Committee.

363 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:51:20am

re: #361 Varek Raith

I see we are unable to defend RTW laws.
Shocka!
:)

Virginia is a right-to-work state and I'm not aware of any problems resulting from that.

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364 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:51:48am

re: #358 Amory Blaine

We did this last year in Madison. Peacefully. We put our marching shoes on Mr. President. Where were you?

*crickets*

But when the votes were counted, Scott Walker was still governor.

/Sorry about the gloat, but I felt it needed to be said.

365 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:52:42am

re: #362 Amory Blaine

"Riot police on horses are now macing and pushing back the crowds who tried to storm the building. I fell like I'm back in the military- I'm rather enjoying this. It brings back memories."

State police report 2 arrests, collapsed tent, use of pepper spray outside Michigan Capitol

Michigan State Police say pepper spray has been used to subdue a protester outside the state Capitol who had his hands on a trooper.

Capt. Harold Love says the female trooper was being pulled into a crowd Tuesday. Love says a male trooper standing nearby gave two short bursts of pepper spray to end the incident. There was no arrest.

I don't think attacking female police officers helps the cause very much although I'm glad he's having a time time.

366 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:53:17am

re: #345 Vicious Babushka

Battle of the Overpass II

Yeah, I was just remembering that. Remembering Ludlow too. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

367 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:53:20am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

Yeah well, you earned it.

368 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:54:03am

re: #362 Amory Blaine

Says the Air Force guy who has no idea of what the breaking up of a protest looks like from the ground. Mr Agema, thou art a poser.

/spits

369 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:54:09am

re: #365 Killgore Trout

What does help the cause? Compromise? Don't make me laugh.

370 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:54:19am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

But when the votes were counted, Scott Walker was still governor.

/Sorry about the gloat, but I felt it needed to be said.

It helps when you have over a year to characterize the recall effort as a waste of time and money.

371 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:54:47am

Scalia. Mussolini. Scalia. Mussolini. Scalia. Mussolini. Scalia. Mussolini. Scalia. Mussolini. Scalia. Mussolini. Scalia. Mussolini. Scalia. Mussolini. Scalia. Mussolini. Scalia. Mussolini. Scalia. Mussolini. Scalia. Mussolini.

372 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:55:08am

re: #362 Amory Blaine

I fell like I'm back in the military- I'm rather enjoying this. It brings back memories."

According to his biography, Agema is a former fighter pilot and Lieutenant Colonel with the U.S. Air Force.

He must be fantasizing about dropping napalm on the protesters.

373 jaunte  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:55:22am

re: #362 Amory Blaine

Maybe his grandchildren will find work at WalMart.

374 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:55:29am

re: #362 Amory Blaine

What a POS...

375 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:56:06am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

But when the votes were counted, Scott Walker was still governor.

/Sorry about the gloat, but I felt it needed to be said.

I have to grudgingly agree. Unless Scott Walker had done something illegal or blatantly misrepresented himself (which he didn't), the time to "recall" a governor is at election time.

376 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:56:30am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

But when the votes were counted, Scott Walker was still governor.

/Sorry about the gloat, but I felt it needed to be said.

Enough believed his lies. The state is being hurt badly because of that and it will take us decades to fix the damage being done.

377 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:58:47am

re: #376 William Barnett-Lewis

Enough believed his lies. The state is being hurt badly because of that and it will take us decades to fix the damage being done.

More like the Dems had a weak candidate plus Walker didn't have to face a primary. Wisconsin's system of recall is far more favorable to the sitting governor than that of California.

378 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 11:00:57am

re: #376 William Barnett-Lewis

Turning down that billion dollars for light rail hurts long term recovery and growth. Lines are going in. Just not in Wisconsin. Not to mention everyone around him has been indicted, convicted or turned snitch. John Doe still open. Like the bald spot on his head.

Scott Walker circa 1860: "We need not these wasteful freight trains to transport goods. Our horses are stout, like our women."

379 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 11:03:06am

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

Rodan is the nic of a guy who was banned from LGF years ago, but still hates on Charles and anyone who posts here from his Stalker Blog "Diary of Daedalus".

I know. I was making a comment about that Rodan.

380 jaunte  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 11:04:44am
381 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 11:07:04am

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

More like the Dems had a weak candidate plus Walker didn't have to face a primary. Wisconsin's system of recall is far more favorable to the sitting governor than that of California.

Agreed on the weak candidate but he was the best of those who stood. The real problem was that DPW didn't take the Big Lie about the recall being unwarrented seriously and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

But you'll notice that Obama won by almost exactly the same margin Walker did. The people are waking up to the mistakes they made in voting for those who would make them be serfs.

382 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 11:19:55am

re: #381 William Barnett-Lewis

Agreed on the weak candidate but he was the best of those who stood. The real problem was that DPW didn't take the Big Lie about the recall being unwarrented seriously and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

But you'll notice that Obama won by almost exactly the same margin Walker did. The people are waking up to the mistakes they made in voting for those who would make them be serfs.

It was also that Walker spent months talking about jobs and was able to successfully change the subject of the campaign. The Democrats had wanted a single-issue recall campaign, but Walker (as well as Barrett's victory) ensured that was not what ended up happening.


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