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Cliff Kincaid: The GOP Needs to Emulate Violent British Fascist Group EDL

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Here we go, folks. The American right wing is starting to push violent, overtly fascist European groups as models for the conservative movement.

For once, the paranoid obsession behind this big idea isn’t anti-Muslim bigotry (but it isn’t far away, see below); Cliff Kincaid of “Accuracy in Media,” the politically influential extreme right wing organization behind the Newsbusters website, says the mainstream Republican Party is being contaminated with teh ghey:

Here in the U.S., former Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman took to the pages of The Wall Street Journal on November 21 to make the ‘conservative case’ for backing gay marriage. But there can be no ‘conservative case’ for gay marriage, unless the term ‘conservative’ is redefined as the British Conservative leaders are trying to do.

[…]

According to this logic, American conservatives should applaud the fact that, on December 1, the first same-sex couple was ‘married’ in the West Point Cadet Chapel of our nation’s military academy. This is a consequence of Obama’s gays-in-the-military policy.

The real lesson from what is happening in Britain is that if the Republicans go down this road, conservatives will revolt and the GOP will suffer an even more significant decline than we saw on November 6, when a number of social conservatives sat out the election. Surrender could also lead to more persecution of social conservatives.

Social conservatives are “persecuted?” Who knew?

In the face of all this homosexuality advancing like an inexorable tide, persecuting all wingnuts in its path with its superior fashion sense, Kincaid suggests that the best way forward for the Republican Party is to take a page from the book of the overtly fascist English Defence League. Hey, great idea! Where do you think he got it from?

This British Conservative Party has watered down traditional conservatism to such an extent that some conservatives have formed an alternative, the English Defense League (EDL), which has spawned the British Freedom Party.

This group has been strongly attacked in the media, here and abroad, as “far-right” or worse. But I had the opportunity to meet their leaders, Kevin Carroll and Tommy Robinson, at the 9/11 conference in New York City sponsored by Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer which was designed in part to organize resistance to global Islam and safeguard our right of free speech against the advance of Sharia, or Islamic law. You can watch the speeches by Carroll and Robinson and draw your own conclusions. Carroll and Robinson want a patriotic alternative to the British Conservative Party that will promote traditional values.

American conservatives and their media should take a hard look at what is really happening in Britain. We had to turn to a relatively new conservative channel in Canada, Sun TV, for important news and information about how Carroll and Robinson and their supporters are being targeted by the “conservative” government there. Carroll was actually imprisoned for exercising his political rights. Robinson is still in prison on charges that he entered the United States illegally and has sent Pamela Geller a letter about his plight, which is published on her website.

For reference, here are some images of the people Spencer and Geller have been enthusiastically supporting for years, and who Cliff Kincaid considers excellent right wing role models. (Click to enlarge.)

And here’s a video of EDL thugs at an anti-Muslim demonstration, attacking a local restaurant:

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120 comments

1 Kragar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:44:05pm

The same bunch of assholes who claim they aren't Nazis because they aren't socialists.

2 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:44:15pm

Copied from downstairs:

So, will abortion now be approved?


Homosexuality May Start in the Womb

If teh ghey is destroying America, will Kincaid be for in utero genetic testing and selective abortion?

3 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:46:21pm

re: #1 Kragar

The same bunch of assholes who claim they aren't Nazis because they aren't socialists.

Hey now, we all know that the Nazis were all gay. I mean did you see the amount of leather they were wearing?!

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4 Kragar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:46:46pm

re: #2 freetoken

Copied from downstairs:

So, will abortion now be approved?

Homosexuality May Start in the Womb

If teh ghey is destroying America, will Kincaid be for in utero genetic testing and selective abortion?

Nope, goes against their belief that one has a choice about their sexuality.

But apparently someone can be born Christian or Muslim.

5 kirkspencer  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:48:19pm
Robinson is still in prison on charges that he entered the United States illegally

Illegal entry: IOKIYAR, or a fellow traveler.

6 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:48:36pm
According to this logic, American conservatives should applaud the fact that, on December 1, the first same-sex couple was “married” in the West Point Cadet Chapel of our nation’s military academy. This is a consequence of Obama’s gays-in-the-military policy.

Yes. Yes they should.

7 Lidane  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:48:52pm

re: #4 Kragar

Nope, goes against their belief that one has a choice about their sexuality.

But apparently someone can be born Christian or Muslim.

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8 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:49:47pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

They were snappy dressers.

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9 Lidane  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:50:40pm

I still want these assholes to explain to me how gay rights and marriage equality threaten this country.

Also, fuck this guy for trying to mainstream Geller and Spencer and their bigotry.

10 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:52:38pm

re: #9 Lidane

I still want these assholes to explain to me how gay rights and marriage equality threaten this country.

Also, fuck this guy for trying to mainstream Geller and Spencer and their bigotry.

Because bigotry is an American tradition!

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11 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:53:22pm

Cliff Kincaid's heroes:

EDL leader Joel Titus banned from every football ground

A leading member of the English Defence League banned from every football ground in the country has been spotted heading for Arsenal matches, the Old Bailey heard.

Joel Titus, 21, was banned from football after he led a mass brawl outside Liverpool Street station more than two years ago.

[...]

But he has dodged the ban by switching allegiance to Arsenal and joining fellow hooligans in pubs, stations and on supporters coaches, the court was told.

The leader of the youth wing of the EDL has also moved to Highbury to be closer to Arsenal's Emirates Stadium.


[...]

Hooligans.

12 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:54:29pm

Few things anger me more than seeing assholes giving the Nazi salute in front of a flag like the Union Jack, which like the Stars and Stripes stands in complete opposition to the totalitarian state Hitler sought to build.

13 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:54:47pm

The GOP Needs to Emulate

please proceed

14 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:55:35pm

The future of the Republican party?

North East Infidel Nazis Join EDL March at Shotton Colliery Protest

Two men were arrested yesterday during a protest over a planned Muslim education centre in the North.

Police estimate that around 200 members of the English Defence League turned out to the protest in the former pit village of Shotton Colliery, County Durham.

The arrests were made for breach of bail conditions, a spokesperson for Durham Police said.

[...]

15 Kid A  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:56:35pm

Overheard at Starbucks this morning:

AFTER OBAMA WON THE ELECTION, I BOUGHT TWO AR-15 MACHINE GUNS, FAST!!!

I wish I was kidding.

16 Kragar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:58:05pm

re: #15 Turkey Jihad

Overheard at Starbucks this morning:

I wish I was kidding.

Moron. AR-15's aren't machine guns.

17 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:58:09pm

re: #15 Turkey Jihad

Overheard at Starbucks this morning:

I wish I was kidding.

Should've said, "Cool story, bro."

18 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:58:23pm

re: #15 Turkey Jihad

Overheard at Starbucks this morning:

I wish I was kidding.

He's going to be very disappointed when he tries to select 'Auto'.

19 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:58:28pm

So the party of the "Big Tent" needs to emulate a party that believes in the virtues of white Aryan men and shows open hostility to all minorities.

Yeah, I can see how that would be a winning strategy after last month.///

20 Kid A  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 2:59:21pm
Moron. AR-15's aren't machine guns.

Exactly. I'm not even into guns, and 1.) You can only buy machine guns illegally, and 2.) "AR" stands for "assault rifle."

21 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:00:25pm

So let me get this straight. Jonah Goldberg advocated Republicans being racist (supposedly ironically) and now another Republican is advocating emulating a racist British group.

Great advice for a party on its way to oblivion.

22 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:01:09pm

re: #20 Turkey Jihad

Per #15, I just googled "AR-15," and I see that is an assault rifle, not a machine gun

Exactly. I'm not even into guns, and 1.) You can only buy machine guns illegally, and 2.) "AR" stands for "assault rifle."

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23 Kragar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:01:49pm

re: #20 Turkey Jihad

Exactly. I'm not even into guns, and 1.) You can only buy machine guns illegally, and 2.) "AR" stands for "assault rifle."

Almost as bad as hearing AK-47s called recoil-less rifles.

24 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:02:43pm

re: #23 Kragar

Almost as bad as hearing AK-47s called recoil-less rifles.

Who the hell says that?!?!
Sheesh.

25 Kragar  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:03:12pm

re: #24 Varek Raith

Who the hell says that?!?!
Sheesh.

Stephen King in "The Stand."

26 kirkspencer  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:03:25pm

re: #9 Lidane

I still want these assholes to explain to me how gay rights and marriage equality threaten this country.

Also, fuck this guy for trying to mainstream Geller and Spencer and their bigotry.

Let me put on my wingnut hat.

America is a Christian nation, graced by and protected by God through his Son. But God will smite America if it yields to this abominable behavior. He did so to Sodom and Gomorrah. Being God's chosen nation will not protect it, either. When Israel turned its face from him He destroyed that nation (see Hosea and 2 Kings among others).

That Bible tells us, in both the Old and New testament, that a man lying with a man is one of the worst of sins, punishable by death. Further the Bible informs us that turning a blind eye to sin is like unto commission of the sin itself.

If tolerating homosexualism is bad, letting them ape holy matrimony is utmost blasphemy. And allowing it to happen will doom us all regardless of the pious few who object.

Yeah, I've listened to them a few times.

27 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:03:27pm

re: #21 Patricia Kayden

So let me get this straight. Jonah Goldberg advocated Republicans being racist (supposedly ironically) and now another Republican is advocating emulating a racist British group.

Great advice for a party on its way to oblivion.

I like to think of it as evolution in action. Those less able to adapt to the changing political environment are finding themselves increasingly isolated and doomed to extinction.

28 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:03:48pm

re: #25 Kragar

Stephen King in "The Stand."

Facepalm.

29 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:03:52pm

Parliament bars Church of England from hosting gay weddings

The British government unveiled a proposal on Tuesday (Dec. 11) that excludes the Church of England and the Church in Wales from planned legislation to allow same-sex couples to marry in churches.

[...]

Nation states with official religions - a bad idea.

30 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:04:53pm

re: #21 Patricia Kayden

So let me get this straight. Jonah Goldberg advocated Republicans being racist (supposedly ironically) and now another Republican is advocating emulating a racist British group.

Great advice for a party on its way to oblivion.

Jonah Goldberg was saying that some Democrats will respond to Republican minority outreach by doubling down on charges of racism. Agree or disagree with what he wrote, Jonah Goldberg was not arguing in favor of racism; Cliff Kincaid, though, is arguing for both racism and fascism.

31 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:05:31pm

re: #18 Decatur Deb

He's going to be very disappointed when he tries to select 'Auto'.

He can paint it on the receiver and selector in Wite-Out.

32 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:06:16pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

Facepalm.

He's not a military writer, its a fact. He's a better writer than most who write military fiction actually, but he doesn't know the gear or the talk.

33 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:07:45pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Jonah Goldberg was saying that some Democrats will respond to Republican minority outreach by doubling down on charges of racism. Agree or disagree with what he wrote, Jonah Goldberg was not arguing in favor of racism; Cliff Kincaid, though, is arguing for both racism and fascism.

Goldberg engaged in a long-winded cop-out, arguing that any minority outreach by the GOP will be labeled "racism," so there's no point to doing so. That minorities instead must be brought around to "understand" that Democrats are lying to them about the GOP.

34 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:07:57pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Jonah Goldberg was saying that some Democrats will respond to Republican minority outreach by doubling down on charges of racism. Agree or disagree with what he wrote, Jonah Goldberg was not arguing in favor of racism; Cliff Kincaid, though, is arguing for both racism and fascism.

Jonah Goldberg was arguing for racist policies, and calling it minority outreach.

35 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:07:59pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

He's not a military writer, its a fact. He's a better writer than most who write military fiction actually, but he doesn't know the gear or the talk.

I suppose.
Still, I'm pretty derpy about guns and all that jazz.
So...
No excuses!
/:)

36 Tigger2  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:08:21pm

re: #15 Turkey Jihad

Overheard at Starbucks this morning:

I wish I was kidding.

It doesn't matter how many AR-15s he has it only takes one 21 cent bullet to take him out, that's something they don't think about.

37 bratwurst  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:10:09pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

Jonah Goldberg was arguing for racist policies, and calling it minority outreach.

So I am going to go ahead and put you in the "disagree with what he wrote" camp. :)

38 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:11:47pm

re: #37 bratwurst

So I am going to go ahead and put you in the "disagree with what he wrote" camp. :)

Oh boy! I haven't been to camp in a long time! Is it like a FEMA Camp?

39 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:15:07pm

re: #20 Turkey Jihad

Exactly. I'm not even into guns, and 1.) You can only buy machine guns illegally, and 2.) "AR" stands for "assault rifle."

Er, not quite. It's perfectly legal to own a registered and transferable fully automatic "machine gun". Just fill out the paperwork, pay for your tax stamp and have your local chief LEO sign off on it. Expensive toys but not illegal in most states (Washington state, forex does ban them. Wisconsin does not.)

AR-15 = Armalite 15. That was the company Gene Stoner worked for when designed the prototype of the M16 that would later be mass produced by Colt. That it the military version is, in fact, an assault rifle is actually co-incidence.

40 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:15:28pm

Right. Tommy Robinson, oops, I mean the EDL. Ol' Tommy is still in jail awaiting trial on January 2013.

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (born 27 November 1982), also known by the pseudonym Tommy Robinson

Arrests

Lennon was arrested after an EDL demonstration in Tower Hamlets, as he had been banned from attending the demonstration. After his arrest, Lennon began a hunger strike in custody in Bedford Prison, saying he was a "political prisoner of the state" and refused to eat what he believed was halal meat. A local paper reported that Bedford Prison sources said the hunger strike lasted less than 24 hours. A handful of EDL supporters protested outside the prison in support of Lennon during his incarceration, peaking in a turnout of 100 protesters on 10 September. Lennon was released from prison on 12 September.

On 29 September 2011 he was convicted of common assault after headbutting a man who had attacked him with a razor at a rally in Blackburn in April that year. The judge stated that a custodial sentence could not be ruled out.

On 8 November 2011, Lennon held a protest against the ban on wearing a poppy for the England team on the rooftop of the FIFA building in Zurich. He was fined £3000 and jailed for three days.

On 20 October 2012, Lennon was arrested for an alleged assault.

On 22 October 2012, Lennon appeared at Westminster magistrates' court charged with using someone else's passport to travel to the United States in September 2012 ("possession of a false identity document with improper intention"). He was remanded in custody until he is due to appear in court in January 2013.

Assault

According to Robinson he was assaulted on 22 December 2011 after pulling over his car as another car flashed its lights at him. He claimed that a group of three men attacked and beat him, until being stopped by the arrival of a 'good Samaritan'. Robinson said that the attackers were of Asian appearance. A CT scan revealed a "blemish to the brain".

41 erik_t  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:17:28pm

re: #40 Gus

Right. Tommy Robinson, oops, I mean the EDL. Ol' Tommy is still in jail awaiting trial on January 2013.

A CT scan revealed a "blemish to of the brain

Edited for correctness.

42 Kid A  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:18:34pm

re: #39 William Barnett-Lewis

Er, not quite. It's perfectly legal to own a registered and transferable fully automatic "machine gun". Just fill out the paperwork, pay for your tax stamp and have your local chief LEO sign off on it. Expensive toys but not illegal in most states (Washington state, forex does ban them. Wisconsin does not.)

AR-15 = Armalite 15. That was the company Gene Stoner worked for when designed the prototype of the M16 that would later be mass produced by Colt. That it the military version is, in fact, an assault rifle is actually co-incidence.

Thanks for the clarification. To be honest, I'm really surprised that they are legal in some states.

43 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:19:08pm

I was racking my brain when I saw Kincaid's name earlier, trying to remember where I've seen it. Oh, yes. The Gulag. It seems to be a rumpus room of sorts for those who have persecution complexes too big for the Twitter Gulag.

Of course, he also has a profile at SPLC.

44 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:24:27pm

I don't know why Kincaid might think his suggestion is novel, when the GOP has been heading in that direction for quite some time. For example, one of the best known of all Republican pundits, Pat Buchanan, published just today:

The Winter of Conservative Discontent

[...]

The crisis of the GOP today is demographic, cultural and political.

Demographically, people of color are nearing 40 percent of the U.S. population and 30 percent of the electorate. These folks -- 85 to 90 percent of all immigrants, legal and illegal -- are growing in number. And in 2012, people of color voted for Obama 4 to 1.

[...]

BROWN PEOPLE!!!

Oh yes, by implication of Pat's statement, evidently if one is not "white" one must be an immigrant, where as non-"people of color" aka white must have what - sprung from the grounds of North America?

He goes on:

Culturally, the causes of the 1960s' revolutions -- no-fault divorce, legalized drugs, "reproductive rights," teenage access to birth control, gay rights and gay marriage -- have either been embraced or become acceptable to most of America's young.

As a result of the sexual revolution promoted by the counterculture of the 1960s, the dominant culture today, 40 percent of all births in the United States are now to single moms.

With no husband, these women look to government to help feed, house, educate, medicate and provide income support for themselves and their children. For sustenance and the survival of their families, they depend on that same Big Government that Republicans denounce at their rallies.

As to the GOP's strongest appeal -- we are the party that will cut taxes -- half the country does not pay income taxes, and the GOP is about to surrender to Obama even on the tax front.

[...]

Buchanan's GOP was EDL before there was an EDL.

45 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:25:20pm

re: #42 Turkey Jihad

Thanks for the clarification. To be honest, I'm really surprised that they are legal in some states.

Why not? They're highly regulated and extremely expensive. Usually people who spend $5,000 (M2 carbine) through $150,000 (M2HB) to even higher (see that Stg-44 talked about several times today) are very careful with their toys. A bigger problem is that there are a relative handful of places you cans safely use them.

Which leads to the fact that they are Not good urban toys and that's the real problem - urban folks vs rural folks on guns is much more real than as a pure left vs right issue.

46 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:25:51pm

re: #42 Turkey Jihad

Thanks for the clarification. To be honest, I'm really surprised that they are legal in some states.

Just so long as they're semi-auto.

47 Spocomptonite  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:26:55pm

re: #4 Kragar

Nope, goes against their belief that one has a choice about their sexuality.

But apparently someone can be born Christian or Muslim.

I never understood how the difference matters to anti-gay positions. Homosexuality is something people are born with? Then discriminating based on it is absolutely no different than discrimination based on color was pre-1960. Homosexuality is a choice? Then those people that bleat that this country is all about freedoms for themselves have to acknowledge that others have the freedom to make choices they wouldn't.

At least, that's assuming anti-gay arguments are made with logical consistency. But they aren't based on laws and reason, only feelings and beliefs.

48 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:27:08pm

The comments to that PaleoPat piece demonstrate once again the nature of the supporters of the self-declared "Christian" Salem Communications outfit.

49 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:28:28pm
50 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:29:09pm

re: #42 Turkey Jihad

Thanks for the clarification. To be honest, I'm really surprised that they are legal in some states.

They are very tightly regulated. In fact, of the more than 300,000 in the US only 3 have ever been used in a crime, and two those were by cops.

(Note the words "used in a crime". The number of registered full-auto weapons that have been used to kill someone in lawful self defense or in the course of police action is somewhere above 30.)

51 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:29:57pm

re: #46 TedStriker

Just so long as they're semi-auto.

If the AR is semi-auto, its legal in Illinois as well.

52 erik_t  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:30:39pm

re: #44 freetoken

Oh yes, by implication of Pat's statement, evidently if one is not "white" one must be an immigrant, where as non-"people of color" aka white must have what - sprung from the grounds of North America?

I believe you're parsing it wrong, and that Buchanan is stating that 85-90% of illegal immigrants are brown, not that 85-90% of brown people are immigrants.

Also, too, the relevant point to be made here is that Pat Buchanan is a racist old toad.

53 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:32:40pm

re: #52 erik_t

I believe you're parsing it wrong, and that Buchanan is stating that 85-90% of illegal immigrants are brown, not that 85-90% of brown people are immigrants.

No. He explicitly, and has done so for some time now, adds "legal" to his "immigrant" descriptor, in addition to "illegal".

PaleoPat has been complaining for years about legal brown immigrants.

54 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:33:23pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

They are very tightly regulated. In fact, of the more than 300,000 in the US only 3 have ever been used in a crime, and two those were by cops.

(Note the words "used in a crime". The number of registered full-auto weapons that have been used to kill someone in lawful self defense or in the course of police action is somewhere above 30.)

Thank you, DF, I would have added that but did not have the correct numbers.

55 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:33:59pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Hey now, we all know that the Nazis were all gay. I mean did you see the amount of leather they were wearing?!

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You should not stereotype them like that, snappy looking leather doesn't prove they were gay, maybe they were just metrosexuals?

/

56 Alexzander  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:37:10pm

Sun TV, aka Fox News North is such an unbelievable joke. I quite enjoyed watching their launch and some of their coverage last time I was in Canada.

57 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:38:31pm

re: #55 watching you tiny alien kittens are

You should not stereotype them like that, snappy looking leather doesn't prove they were gay, maybe they were just metrosexuals?

/

They're Germans, that would be S-Bahnsexual.

58 erik_t  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:40:52pm

re: #57 Decatur Deb

They're Germans, that would be S-Bahnsexual.

Link

59 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:43:05pm

re: #54 William Barnett-Lewis

Thank you, DF, I would have added that but did not have the correct numbers.

The numbers, except for the one about the number such guns used illegally, are approximate, to be clear. i only have read details of one of the cases of such a weapon being used in lawful self-defense. That case was a businessman/gun collector who had to use an AC-556 (full-auto Mini-14) to stop an attack by an angry trio of bikers. He ended up having to kill the one who would not stop after warning shots were fired, but the case against him was dismissed after the prosecution rested. The judge found that even if everything the prosecutor had presented was true, there was still nothing to show that the shooting was anything other than self defense.

60 Alexzander  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:44:14pm

re: #57 Decatur Deb

They're Germans, that would be S-Bahnsexual.

I think I am bahn-mi-sexual. Really mising having a cheap place to get bahn-mi nearby.

61 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:47:57pm

I expect the racist right to increase their visibility as their rising frustration is overcoming their previous collective strategy of guising their racism with other memes (STATES RIGHTS!! etc.)

62 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:51:07pm

For example, Steve Sailor concludes his latest piece with the sentence:

In war, the victors rape the losers’ women.

It's basically an article on why blacks like to rape so much, and the liberal "victors" of the 1960's culture wars leads to blacks raping.

(That's my concise summary of the (customarily overly wordy) Sailor screed.)

63 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:53:27pm

re: #62 freetoken

For example, Steve Sailor concludes his latest piece with the sentence:

It's basically an article on why blacks like to rape so much, and the liberal "victors" of the 1960's culture wars leads to blacks raping.

(That's my concise summary of the (customarily overly wordy) Sailor screed.)

Sounds more 1860's than 1960's to me.

64 freetoken  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:54:50pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

Sounds more 1860's than 1960's to me.

The same outlet that publishes Sailor - Taki's rag - has yet another article out about how bad the North was.

65 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:55:45pm

If you read the forums these EDL guys post to there is all this shit about Wotan and their Norse roots and how Christianity destroyed their great warrior culture and made them weak. Yes they are Nazis and they are very open about it, they have even adopted Hitler's fetish for the Norse warrior myths. There is also a lot of cross posting to Stormfront going on because "our" forums are so much bigger than theirs in both traffic and membership.

These people are very much like our own white supremacists only that more of them have moved beyond simple racism and mutterings about "white power" to full blown Nazism. :(

66 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:56:55pm
67 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:57:50pm

re: #66 Four More Tears

Merry Christmas. :(

68 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:59:57pm

re: #9 Lidane

I still want these assholes to explain to me how gay rights and marriage equality threaten this country.

Also, fuck this guy for trying to mainstream Geller and Spencer and their bigotry.

According to Scalia, its because if we can't ban gay sex for being immoral, then we can't outlaw murder.

69 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:00:10pm

re: #66 Four More Tears

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Well, it couldn't be a "responsible gun owner," because they'd never do such a thing.

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70 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:00:16pm

re: #66 Four More Tears

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71 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:00:52pm

re: #64 freetoken

The same outlet that publishes Sailor - Taki's rag - has yet another article out about how bad the North was.

What is the site called? And do you have a Google Cache link? I want to know how insane these folks are.

72 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:02:05pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Few things anger me more than seeing assholes giving the Nazi salute in front of a flag like the Union Jack, which like the Stars and Stripes stands in complete opposition to the totalitarian state Hitler sought to build.

Those fucking bastards were dropping bombs on my mother during the Blitz, and now these assholes are worshipping Hitler? They ought to have their British citizenship stripped from them.

73 Spocomptonite  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:02:50pm

re: #68 aagcobb

According to Scalia, its because if we can't ban gay sex for being immoral, then we can't outlaw murder.

LOL what? Murder harms someone, who isn't willing to be harmed. Homosexuality harms no one and both parties consent to it.

Man, I should become a Supreme Court Justice.

74 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:03:01pm
75 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:03:09pm

re: #70 Gus

Same eyewitness says the people with assault rifles looked like teens.

Not good.

76 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:04:38pm

re: #74 Four More Tears

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What gun culture?

77 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:04:39pm

re: #74 Four More Tears

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Well, that explains the 60 shots, that's roughly 2-3 magazines, depending the size.

78 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:05:16pm

Tweet from the scene.

79 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:05:57pm

re: #76 Gus

What gun culture?

Zip it! This is not the time!

And at this this pace there never will be a time. Mission accomplished, NRA.

80 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:06:05pm

re: #66 Four More Tears

Strange story there. Hard to count that many shot going off rapidly and there isn't dozens of casualties? It might be shorthand for "lots of bangs". I'll pray some ass-hat was being "funny" with firecrackers.

81 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:06:08pm

Speaking of guns, the EDL type on the right in the second picture is holding a "Schmeisser" MP-40 submachine gun, an iconic German weapon from the World War 2 period. The other one has a more modern MP-5. Unless these are de-activated show pieces or non-functioning replicas, they are massively illegal in the UK. They are illegal even here without the special license mentioned above or a semi-auto conversion.

82 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:07:00pm

re: #72 aagcobb

Those fucking bastards were dropping bombs on my mother during the Blitz, and now these assholes are worshipping Hitler? They ought to have their British citizenship stripped from them.

no, they shouldn't. They've got a right to be assholes like that. But they should be told at every turn that they are in fact opposed to England, they do not defend her. One cannot by against freedom and be for England, her fellow nations of the United Kingdom, or her daughter countries.

83 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:07:17pm

My Dog. Ludwig is a fanatical prick.

84 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:07:19pm

re: #79 Four More Tears

Zip it! This is not the time!

And at this this pace there never will be a time. Mission accomplished, NRA.

Oops. You're right. My condolences to the general gun culture's sentiments. I must think of their feewings.

//

85 Alexzander  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:07:50pm

Obama recognizes the Syrian opposition as legit. reps of Syria!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20690148

86 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:08:39pm

re: #83 Stanghazi

My Dog. Ludwig is a fanatical prick.

87 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:08:45pm

Live video of mall shooting coverage:

[Link: www.katu.com...]

88 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:09:38pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel

Speaking of guns, the EDL type on the right in the second picture is holding a "Schmeisser" MP-40 submachine gun, an iconic German weapon from the World War 2 period. The other one has a more modern MP-5. Unless these are de-activated show pieces or non-functioning replicas, they are massively illegal in the UK. They are illegal even here without the special license mentioned above or a semi-auto conversion.

The MP-40 is called a "Schmeisser", though neither Louis Schmeisser nor his son Hugo played any role in its design.

89 CuriousLurker  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:10:22pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Live video of mall shooting coverage:

[Link: www.katu.com...]

E gad, not another one.

90 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:11:25pm

re: #61 freetoken

I expect the racist right to increase their visibility as their rising frustration is overcoming their previous collective strategy of guising their racism with other memes (STATES RIGHTS!! etc.)

Its interesting to see how we still seem to be fighting the Civil War. 72% of Romney's electoral votes come from the 18 jurisdictions (including Oklahoma) where slavery was legal in 1860, and 72% of the President's electoral votes come from the free states in 1860.

91 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:11:32pm
92 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:11:48pm
93 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:12:22pm
94 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:13:04pm

A teenage gunman wearing a white mask with some kind of body armor, maybe a vest, and an assault rifle.

95 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:13:23pm

I love that a guy with a handle like Weeddude is one of the best sources for breaking news there is.

96 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:14:27pm

Live police scanner, they are talking about the mall and staging people...

[Link: www.radioreference.com...]

97 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:15:10pm


98 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:15:32pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

The MP-40 is called a "Schmeisser", though neither Louis Schmeisser nor his son Hugo played any role in its design.

Hence the quote marks.

The MP 40 was often called the "Schmeisser" by the Allies, after weapons designer Hugo Schmeisser. Schmeisser had designed the MP 18, which was the first mass-produced submachine gun, and saw extensive service at the end of the First World War. He did not, however, design the MP 40,[5] although he held a patent on the magazine. He later designed the MP 41, which was an MP 40 with a wooden rifle stock and a selector, identical to those found on the earlier MP 28 submachine gun. The MP 41 was not introduced as a service weapon with the German Army, but saw limited use with some SS and police units. They were also exported to Germany's ally, Romania.

99 Alexzander  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:16:12pm

The live feed is really intense right now.

100 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:16:19pm

Wow, the guy on the live feed is still in a store, saw people murdered and covered them up with sheets.

101 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:16:58pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

no, they shouldn't. They've got a right to be assholes like that. But they should be told at every turn that they are in fact opposed to England, they do not defend her. One cannot by against freedom and be for England, her fellow nations of the United Kingdom, or her daughter countries.

I know, but it just incenses me. The EDL are traitorous scum.

102 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:18:04pm

If only the people there had guns, they could've fired at him... and probably hit other innocent bystanders.

103 Gus  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:18:16pm

America under siege.

104 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:18:42pm

re: #98 Shiplord Kirel

Hence the quote marks.

It was actually Louis Schmeisser who designed the MP-18. Hugo Schmeisser was his son. Hugo did design a modification to the MP-18, one which did away with the 32-round 'snail' magazine also used by the Lugar pistol is favor of a more compact and reliable 20-round box magazine.

105 Henchman 25  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:19:25pm

This shit is happening way too frequently. It sends a bad chill down my spine.

106 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:20:14pm

re: #102 Four More Tears

If only the people there had guns, they could've fired at him... and probably hit other innocent bystanders.

All those trained snipers, rendered powerless by the liberal fascist government!

107 Alexzander  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:20:15pm

It looks like a pretty fancy mall.

108 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:20:27pm

re: #102 Four More Tears

If only the people there had guns, they could've fired at him... and probably hit other innocent bystanders.

They may have already done so. We don't know all of what has happened.

109 Spocomptonite  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:22:53pm

re: #107 Alexzander

It looks like a pretty fancy mall.

We don't mess around with malls in the Northwest. My city has one with a martini bar and wine cellar on the third floor next to the movie theatre ticketing counter.

110 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:22:54pm

Shooter down, apparently.

111 erik_t  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:23:58pm

re: #107 Alexzander

It looks like a pretty fancy mall.

It's nothing extraordinarily special. Decent suburban mall.

112 Alexzander  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:24:34pm

re: #109 Spocomptonite

We don't mess around with malls in the Northwest. My city has one with a martini bar and wine cellar on the third floor next to the movie theatre ticketing counter.

Where in the PNW are you?

The nearest mall to me in Seattle was pretty fancy. The craziest mall I ever saw was in Orange County.

113 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:25:28pm

re: #109 Spocomptonite

We don't mess around with malls in the Northwest. My city has one with a martini bar and wine cellar on the third floor next to the movie theatre ticketing counter.

Ur doin' it rong.

114 Alexzander  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:26:06pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

Ur doin' it rong.

Maybe the whole mall was underground?!!

115 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:26:55pm

re: #114 Alexzander

Maybe the whole mall was underground?!!

Oh, third floor down. OK.

116 Spocomptonite  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:28:45pm

re: #112 Alexzander

Where in the PNW are you?

The nearest mall to me in Seattle was pretty fancy. The craziest mall I ever saw was in Orange County.

Strictly speaking, I'm not Pacific Northwest, but Inland Northwest. Spokane's Riverpark Square is my favorite place downtown; it's got a range of places from casual to fancy, it architecturally fits in with the rest of the downtown area, and its connected to skybridge network so you can walk from the STA bus station to the mall and then through Nordstrom's into the Public Library, without ever going outside.

117 Spocomptonite  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 4:29:49pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

Ur doin' it rong.

I can't help it, that's what it's really called.

118 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 5:26:33pm

re: #20 Turkey Jihad

Exactly. I'm not even into guns, and 1.) You can only buy machine guns illegally, and 2.) "AR" stands for "assault rifle."

AR stands for Armalite Receiver. That's their naming convention for all firearms from day one, when they were making the the AR-7 .22lr, which is now sold as the Henry Survival Rifle. They give their pistols AR designations. The only non AR they sell now is the M-15, which is a generic name because they sold the "AR-15" designation to Colt.

119 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:37:04am
Social conservatives are “persecuted?” Who knew?

Always. /

120 po8crg  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:53:37am

Amusingly, the EDL has a "Gay Division".

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]


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