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PolitiFact Lie of the Year: Romney’s Ad on Jeeps Made in China

The fake outrage bubbled up from wingnut blogs and Drudge Report, all the way to the GOP’s presidential candidate
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Politifact’s Lie of the Year contest had a lot of contenders this year, and many of them were uttered by Mendacious Mitt Romney — including the winner: Lie of the Year: The Romney Campaign’s Ad on Jeeps Made in China.

It was a lie told in the critical state of Ohio in the final days of a close campaign — that Jeep was moving its U.S. production to China. It originated with a conservative blogger, who twisted an accurate news story into a falsehood. Then it picked up steam when the Drudge Report ran with it. Even though Jeep’s parent company gave a quick and clear denial, Mitt Romney repeated it and his campaign turned it into a TV ad.

And they stood by the claim, even as the media and the public expressed collective outrage against something so obviously false.

People often say that politicians don’t pay a price for deception, but this time was different: A flood of negative press coverage rained down on the Romney campaign, and he failed to turn the tide in Ohio, the most important state in the presidential election.

PolitiFact has selected Romney’s claim that Barack Obama “sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China” at the cost of American jobs as the 2012 Lie of the Year.

I would have chosen the Romney campaign’s lie about the President’s “you didn’t build that” statement, because by omitting all the words before and after that deceptive catchphrase they actually convinced a lot of people that Obama was bashing small business owners — when in reality he was praising the American system that enables small business owners to succeed. That Big Lie was much more effective as propaganda than the “Jeeps in China” howler, which was thoroughly debunked almost immediately.

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465 comments

1 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:45:56pm

I would have gone with the one that wonder the reader poll, namely Rush the Hutt's utterance that Obamacare constituted the "largest tax increase in history."

2 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:46:10pm

Man, Karl Rove should have won for lying to all those people who gave to his PAC.

3 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:47:04pm

Romney will win in a landslide!
-Dick Morris

4 SteveMcG  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:47:29pm

Right to Work!

5 jaunte  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:48:52pm

Upding for favoring the “you didn’t build that” mendacity for the top spot.

6 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:48:58pm

"No, those pants still fit you fine."

7 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:49:26pm

re: #6 Kragar

"No, those pants still fit you fine."

"You look as thin as the day we met."

8 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:52:18pm

re: #5 jaunte

Upding for favoring the “you didn’t build that” mendacity for the top spot.

That one really irritated me, because it was such a blatant inversion of the truth. Obama was actually expressing a very positive idea about the American system of government, and it was perverted into a paranoid attack that made no logical sense.

A portrait of the Republican Party in 2012.

9 jaunte  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:53:21pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I was a little surprised that the distortion wasn't reported on more frequently.

10 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:55:43pm

Hooray for facts!

11 jaunte  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:56:02pm

Maybe the Lie of the Year should have been the lies that Romney's campaign team, the RNC, and conservative pundits told themselves about Nate Silver's numbers.

12 JAFO  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:57:46pm

re: #11 jaunte

They should have given it to Unskewed Polls.

13 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:01:15pm

Charles,
As much as we disagreed about the lie of the year last year, I am in full agreement with you on this one.

Then (and I think we might agree again) I got pissed at Politifact.

Right below is a "promise broken" by Obama, and the hangup on the promise is a recalcitrant congress. Obama broke a promise 'cause Congress held it up? I'll call that "socks on fire" as an allusion to holding their feet to the fire when needed.

14 Henchman 25  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:01:22pm

Atleast they picked an actual lie this time..

15 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:02:39pm

re: #3 Varek Raith

Romney will win in a landslide!
-Dick Morris

That's not a lie. He said it. He believed it. He got others to believe it.

It just didn't come true. And that's priceless.

16 jaunte  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:02:48pm

OpinioFact

17 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:03:22pm

The "You didn't build that" was a lie of omission, created by snipping a few words out of context. The "Chinese Jeeps" was more of a traditional whopper. They just made that shit up.

18 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:04:01pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

That one really irritated me, because it was such a blatant inversion of the truth. Obama was actually expressing a very positive idea about the American system of government, and it was perverted into a paranoid attack that made no logical sense.

A portrait of the Republican Party in 2012.

Correction: A portrait of the Republican Party post-Obama's election. Basically, they went into meltdown mode ever since McCain lost, they've just been digging deeper and deeper. All they can think of is the Us vs. Them mindset, and anything They say must be made to sound un-American, because Reagan, dammit.

19 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:04:36pm

re: #14 Henchman 25

Hey, give Politifact a break! They lean over backwards to avoid being accused of bias.

They lean WAYYY over backward. Sometimes they fall over, in fact.

20 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:06:36pm

Factcheck is a lot less uneven in their ratings IMHO.

21 SteveMcG  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:08:25pm

re: 18

I got news for you. THe Republican Party melted down in 1994. The whole Whitewater thing and then the Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski was never about truth and justice, it was always about power and only power. Karl Rove was talking about leveraging the 33% Republican base into a permanent majority after "winning" the White House in 2000.

22 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:09:05pm

re: #21 SteveMcG

re: 18

I got news for you. THe Republican Party melted down in 1994. The whole Whitewater thing and then the Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski was never about truth and justice, it was always about power and only power. Karl Rove was talking about leveraging the 33% Republican base into a permanent majority after "winning" the White House in 2000.

Not news to me. Clinton's presidency was a very big sticking point in the craw of many Republicans. That was Rush Limbaugh's heyday.

23 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:09:28pm

re: #14 Henchman 25

What did Factcheck say about that one?

24 SteveMcG  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:11:40pm

re: 22

But you just said "Basically, they went into meltdown mode ever since McCain lost", now it's about Clinton's Presidency? Just ball busting over a detail, but it's funny that it took sooo long for people to catch on. People are still slow to catch on.

25 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:13:47pm

re: #24 SteveMcG

re: 22

But you just said "Basically, they went into meltdown mode ever since McCain lost", now it's about Clinton's Presidency? Just ball busting over a detail, but it's funny that it took sooo long for people to catch on. People are still slow to catch on.

Meltdown mode is a technical term. I stand by what I said.

26 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:14:33pm

To be fair, the Blogger who made it up should get proper attribution.

27 SteveMcG  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:18:26pm

Re: 25

(I really gotta get these buttons fixed) I'm not going to quibble over just how technical a colloquialism is. My point is the Party has been off the hook, no, out of control, no, off the rails, you know I really can't come up with anything that isn't a figure of speech!

28 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:18:27pm

This was the worst part:

And they stood by the claim, even as the media and the public expressed collective outrage against something so obviously false.

29 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:19:26pm

The "Obama Apology Tour" lie was another one that bubbled up from the right wing basement to Romney's campaign, and it was just as dishonest.

30 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:22:13pm

My other favorite Romney lie was how the auto bailouts were designed after his original plan. Except that his plan was liquidation.

31 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:22:13pm

re: #27 SteveMcG

Re: 25

I'm not going to quibble over just how technical a colloquialism is.

Welcome to the Internet. You must be new here.
///

32 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:22:32pm

Jon Stewart is up. "This may be the greatest Hanukkah show ever!"

33 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:28:14pm

Clapton, sounding great.

34 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:28:54pm

OT
Breaking local news-Armed men have robbed a pawn shop/jewelry store, high speed pursuit, and a suspect is hiding at at Cal State Fullerton. (CSUF) So as a result of a robbery we have an armed man at a school on the run.

35 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:31:03pm

Mourdock campaign blames ‘liberal media’ for defeat

In a plea for money, the campaign of Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock told its supporters on Tuesday that the Republican hopeful lost due to media bias.

“After a bitter, hard-fought campaign, many Republicans all over the country were forced to accept defeat rather than celebrate victory. In our case, we found our campaign caught in the liberal media crosshairs. Never has Indiana seen a more obvious example of media bias by reporters more interested in defeating conservatives than reporting the news,” Mourdock Finance Director Ashlee Walls wrote in a fundraising email obtained by The Hill.

“We fought back and invested heavily in a last-minute push to combat the slew of false accusations Democrats and the liberal media churned up to distract voters.”

It couldn't possibly be because Mourdock is a ginormous dickweed.

36 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:31:16pm

The 'You Didn't Build That' meme was the worst.

37 bratwurst  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:31:52pm

re: #35 Kragar

Mourdock campaign blames ‘liberal media’ for defeat

It couldn't possibly be because Mourdock is a ginormous dickweed.

The party of personal responsibility strikes again!

38 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:32:45pm

re: #36 Kronocide

The 'You Didn't Build That' meme was the worst.

On the bright side, it didn't lead to wide spread usage of "We built this city" by GOP candidates, which was always a real danger.

39 Belafon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:34:50pm

As someone said on Balloon Juice, Politifact chose this one because it was easy: There was no "he said/she said" because the car company itself had someone call it a lie. "You didn't build that" would have required Politifact to actually do work to report it as a lie.

40 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:36:04pm
41 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:36:06pm
The great masses of the people will more easily fall prey to a big lie than a small one. - Herman Göering

Nice to see that wasn't the case this time around.

42 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:37:30pm

I thought it was funny how Republicans ran with "You Didn't Build That" all the way to the convention- because that's what Americans crave, a neurotic lie that only makes sense to political insiders.

The faux controversy over Benghazi was something that really came back to bite Romney at the debate.

43 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:38:12pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Hey, give Politifact a break! They lean over backwards to avoid being accused of bias.

They lean WAYYY over backward. Sometimes they fall over, in fact.

I was a little surprised Politifact didn't come up with two lies of the year, one for each side.

44 celticdragon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:38:54pm

Off topic fun:

I am grading term papers right now for a Gender & Power in the US history class.

This offering of fail is for your enjoyment. I give it to you without change or comment, except to note that the paper is supposed to be about differences between white and African American masculinity:

Next, I think everyone should have an idol its important that you look up to someone whether it has a positive or negative affect your life, hopefully its positive though. While doing my research I found it difficult to find a certain role model of mine that was a white male. My mom and dad are two of the top five people that I have looked up to my entire life but, three of my my main idols that I have grown fond of while growing up are technically not of the Caucasion skin. My three idols are Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, Derek Jeter and Michael Jordan. Dwayne Johnson is from Samoan decent, Derek Jeter has a black father and a white mother, and Michael Jordan is an African American. Although they don't personify white masculinity because they are from a different background, they are great role models for any race because of how they act and their accomplishments within their field of work.
The Rock, considered to be the greatest wrestler of all time has won an astounding 9 world titles within WWE/WWF amd he demonstrates masculinity through his trademark catchphrase, "Just Bring It!" his ripped & jacked physique and his toughness to never back down from a fight.

Bring the fucking meteor now.

This was actually turned in as academic work.

45 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:40:56pm

Chelsie Clinton.

46 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:41:23pm

This is a liberal Democrat party concert!

47 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:41:37pm

re: #39 Belafon

As someone said on Balloon Juice, Politifact chose this one because it was easy: There was no "he said/she said" because the car company itself had someone call it a lie. "You didn't build that" would have required Politifact to actually do work to report it as a lie.

More cynically, "you didn't build that" could be twisted into something in the same star cluster as the truth, so Politifact gave it a "false" as opposed to the richly deserved pants-on-fire.

I still think the winner should have been the very first general election ad the Romney campaign ran --- the "we can't talk about the economy" line being attributed to Obama when it was actually Obama quoting McCain. Talk about starting out as you plan to continue --- all lies from beginning to end.

48 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:42:00pm

re: #39 Belafon

I think that there's another reason. By calling that the lie of the year, they can point at a site that pushed the controversy, like Drudge, and claim moral supremacy.

49 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:42:25pm

re: #45 Amory Blaine

Chelsie Clinton.

George Clinton

50 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:42:37pm

re: #44 celticdragon

How old is this person? Please don't say they're older than ten.

51 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:42:37pm

re: #44 celticdragon

Off topic fun:

I am grading term papers right now for a Gender & Power in the US history class.

This offering of fail is for your enjoyment. I give it to you without change or comment, except to note that the paper is supposed to be about how differences between white and African American masculinity:

Bring the fucking meteor now.

This was actually turned in as academic work.

Good lord.

Please tell me you don't teach above the high school level.

52 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:42:58pm

re: #35 Kragar

Mourdock campaign blames ‘liberal media’ for defeat

It couldn't possibly be because Mourdock is a ginormous dickweed.

It is a well known fact that the truth has a liberal bias.

53 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:43:56pm

re: #44 celticdragon

Off topic fun:

I am grading term papers right now for a Gender & Power in the US history class.

This offering of fail is for your enjoyment. I give it to you without change or comment, except to note that the paper is supposed to be about how differences between white and African American masculinity:

Bring the fucking meteor now.

This was actually turned in as academic work.

Oh dear. Functionally illiterate and zero apparent content. Please tell me this is not in a college class.

54 celticdragon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:44:16pm

re: #51 BongCrodny

Good lord.

Please tell me you don't teach above the high school level.

I am the TA, thank God. These are second and third year college students...

Make of that what you will.

55 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:44:58pm

Good news for the Hugh Farlnsely Wittingstall fans: 3 good things is now a tv series (download illegally at your own risk)

Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall: Three Good Things

Introducing a series of recipes extracted from his new cookbook, Three Good Things on a Plate, Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall explains why the best meals are often the simplest, using just three basic elements

56 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:46:39pm

re: #54 celticdragon

I am the TA, thank God. These are second and third year college students...

Make of that what you will.

We're doomed.

57 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:47:04pm

re: #54 celticdragon

I am the TA, thank God. These are second and third year college students...

Make of that what you will.

Perhaps the world really will end in 2012, and spare us all. These students are old enough to vote...

58 danarchy  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:47:16pm

re: #54 celticdragon

I am the TA, thank God. These are second and third year college students...

Make of that what you will.

I think that's an example of a student who would have been better off if he was encouraged to go to a trade school.

59 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:47:39pm

re: #54 celticdragon

I am the TA, thank God. These are second and third year college students...

Make of that what you will.

And he still thinks wrestling is real?

60 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:48:36pm

re: #54 celticdragon

I am the TA, thank God. These are second and third year college students...

Make of that what you will.

Ah! Budding young corporate lawyers!

61 celticdragon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:49:24pm

re: #56 BongCrodny

We're doomed.

I return now to my cloister/Scriptorium to resume grading. Fortunately, I will not require additional penitent correction from my chapter master, since this is deemed punishment enough...

62 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:49:44pm

re: #54 celticdragon

I am the TA, thank God. These are second and third year college students...

Make of that what you will.

Um. Really? I am speechless.

Seriously, I don't know what to say.

It's a strange and unpleasant feeling.

63 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:49:50pm

The Rock's "jacked physique" is a perfectly cromulent topic for a term paper!

Image: tumblr_mcj4eu7UTS1rpy9rfo1_400.gif

Ok, never mind.

64 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:50:43pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Ah! Budding young corporate lawyers!

Lawyers usually need to be able to write their way out of a paper bag. So, that seems like an unlikely career move here. Perhaps the WWE/WWF is hiring?

65 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:51:09pm

Mick Jagger should write a diet cookbook.

Seriously -- how the hell does he stay so thin?

66 Mattand  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:53:18pm

re: #65 BongCrodny

Mick Jagger should write a diet cookbook.

Seriously -- how the hell does he stay so thin?

Rhymes with "drugs".

67 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:53:52pm

re: #54 celticdragon

I am the TA, thank God. These are second and third year college students...

Make of that what you will.

No way.

68 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:55:00pm

re: #66 Mattand

Rhymes with "drugs".

No way, can't be drug, Keith did them all already.

69 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:55:12pm

re: #65 BongCrodny

Mick Jagger should write a diet cookbook.

Seriously -- how the hell does he stay so thin?

Something about his herky jerky dance is, uh, not really attractive.

70 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:55:22pm

I'd pay to see a Jordan vs Jeter deathmatch, with flaming basketballs and broken baseball bats. I propose their tag team partners be Toni Kukoc and Don Zimmer.

71 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:55:33pm

re: #61 celticdragon

I return now to my cloister/Scriptorium to resume grading. Fortunately, I will not require additional penitent correction from my chapter master, since this is deemed punishment enough...

My academic background is in the physical sciences, and I've always believed that cluelessness in such fields could reach levels of dismal awfulness (e.g., "not even wrong") that cannot be attained in other fields that have less objective standards for correctness.

My conjecture is disproved. We now have the young earth creationism of essay writing.

72 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:56:26pm

idiomatic tomcat server restart command line script outputs like this:

waiting for tomcat to start
done waiting

waal gol durn it, i'm a done waitin' fer shure

73 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:56:44pm

re: #64 EPR-radar

Lawyers usually need to be able to write their way out of a paper bag. So, that seems like an unlikely career move here. Perhaps the WWE/WWF is hiring?

Au contraire. You'd be surprised at how many lawyers can't write worth a damned bit.

I'd peg them as mergers and acquisitions specialists. /

74 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:57:32pm

re: #54 celticdragon

Likely a bunch of Business Majors. Was never very impressed by them at school.

And many of the smart ones still have trouble connecting X and Y together. You would think a person who is being trained as a US History teacher would have the knowledge that Libertarianism won't work, but nope.

And what is worse, it seems like Libertarianism turns people meaner. She was nicer as a straight-laced social conservative. Now, she starts arguing when I try and get to the logic of why she supports those ideas, and the Republicans still. I outright told her at one point that supporting the Republican party of today means supporting racism and bigotry, including being anti-Muslim. She then gets offended when I make that insinuation saying she has Muslim friends other then myself.

Granted these days I see politics as war, set pieces and all. And now, I am more numb emotionally, so I am harsher against people nowadays, as it has become near impossible to feel anything.

75 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:57:34pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Au contraire. You'd be surprised at how many lawyers can't write worth a damned bit.

I'd peg them as mergers and acquisitions specialists. /

Lawyers can write themselves out of a paper bag? Has anybody informed Clarence Thomas of this?

76 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:58:52pm

re: #69 Stanghazi

Something about his herky jerky dance is, uh, not really attractive.

He's got more energy at 69 than I did when I was 20.

77 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:59:14pm

re: #44 celticdragon

The paper has potential.

78 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:00:31pm

re: #74 ProGunLiberal

Likely a bunch of Business Majors. Was never very impressed by them at school.

And many of the smart ones still have trouble connecting X and Y together. You would think a person who is being trained as a US History teacher would have the knowledge that Libertarianism won't work, but nope.

And what is worse, it seems like Libertarianism turns people meaner. She was nicer as a straight-laced social conservative. Now, she starts arguing when I try and get to the logic of why she supports those ideas, and the Republicans still. I outright told her at one point that supporting the Republican party of today means supporting racism and bigotry, including being anti-Muslim. She then gets offended when I make that insinuation saying she has Muslim friends other then myself.

Granted these days I see politics as war, set pieces and all. And now, I am more numb emotionally, so I am harsher against people nowadays, as it has become near impossible to feel anything.

US-style libertarianism comes down to "I've got mine, you can FOAD". Embracing this view naturally makes people meaner.

79 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:01:47pm

re: #77 prairiefire

The paper has potential.

A new kind of weapon of mass destruction --- laid waste the entire English department of Enormous State University?

80 bratwurst  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:02:15pm

re: #74 ProGunLiberal

Granted these days I see politics as war

You are not alone, here or elsewhere. I find it extremely unhealthy for individuals and the country as a whole, not to mention utterly counterproductive.

81 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:04:04pm

re: #80 bratwurst

You are not alone, here or elsewhere. I find it extremely unhealthy for individuals and the country as a whole, not to mention utterly counterproductive.

It is a difficult problem. If a sizable political movement embraces politics as war, and I think movement conservatism has, then how does everyone else respond?

Business as usual isn't going to cut it.

82 celticdragon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:05:42pm

re: #71 EPR-radar

My academic background is in the physical sciences, and I've always believed that cluelessness in such fields could reach levels of dismal awfulness (e.g., "not even wrong") that cannot be attained in other fields that have less objective standards for correctness.

My conjecture is disproved. We now have the young earth creationism of essay writing.

Just back for a minute.

My degree is in geology, so I understand what you are getting at. My minor is US history though, and most of my undergrad writing was in history. Writing about the Laramide Orogeny or the K-T Boundary mass extinction is fun, but history is a bit easier to actually engage in some degree of expression, so I find it more enjoyable to write about.

83 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:05:59pm

nbc poll

nice things people say about democrats (35%):
For the people/ working class, Doing a good job, Trying/ doing their best, Good, Progressive, Hopeful, Fair, Optimistic, Positive, Generous, Headed in the right direction, Realistic, Inclusive, Better, Reasonable

nice things people say about republicans(17%):
Conservative, Doing a good job, Patriotic, Trying hard, Capitalism, Better, Fair, Positive, Realistic, Optimistic

bad things people say about democrats(37%):
Confused/ misguided, Weak/ lazy, Needs improvement, Socialist/ communists, Negative, Overspending, Handouts/ welfare, Out of touch, Liars/ dishonest, Self-serving/ selfish, Headed in the wrong direction, Incompetent, Disappointed, Crooks, Big government party, Unrealistic, Foolish, Doing a bad job, Stubborn

bad things people say about republicans(65%):
Bad/ weak/ negative, Uncompromising/ need to work together, Broken/ disorganized/ lost, Out of touch, For the wealthy, Lacking leadership, Mean/ aggressive, Outdated, Selfish, Stubborn, Rich/ wealthy, Racist, Narrow minded, Idiots, Dishonest, Misguided, Greedy, Not for the people, Incompetent/ inept, Wimps, Disappointing, Too conservative, Ignorant, Shortsighted, Indecisive, Arrogant, Exclusive, Too religious

84 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:06:26pm

re: #79 EPR-radar

A new kind of weapon of mass destruction --- laid waste the entire English department of Enormous State University?

I think we need to work with what we've got.

85 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:06:38pm

re: #72 engineer cat

idiomatic tomcat server restart command line script outputs like this:

waiting for tomcat to start
done waiting

waal gol durn it, i'm a done waitin' fer shure

Linux coders have weird senses of humour.

86 celticdragon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:07:40pm

I just sent this to the prof.

This is bad. Really bad.

In all honesty, this is possibly the worst example of writing I have
ever seen. The paper is written in colloquial street slang much of
the time, and serious issues with syntax, grammar and basic
punctuation are very, very prevalent. No attempt is made to engage
with academic sources or the material covered in class. It is obvious
that the two students did not collaborate in any fashion while
writing, and the paper distinctly reads like two disparate essays that
have been pasted together at the last minute. This paper would fail
any high school class, and I am having serious difficulty believing
that this was actually turned in as an academic paper. I think that
some sort of discussion needs to be raised with these two students,
because this is not the sort of work that can be accepted at this
school. I am actually insulted that they would give this to you for a
grade.

87 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:08:21pm

re: #78 EPR-radar

I admit that I haven't changed for the better either recently. After the stuff I have shared on here, I have become more shut-in emotionally, and much more hard-hearted. I have become the Left-Wing version of Obama's "Bitter and Clinging to Guns and Religion." And that I don't try to change that much, as my efforts on trying to regenerate any sort of social group have failed in the past few months.

My mom and grandmother roundly criticized me today for making snide comments to someone who hasn't spoken to me in 4 months, and wants me to be at their graduation. Said I had become even worse than my Dad.

88 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:08:33pm

Look on the bright side. His idols could have been Billy Martin, Curly Neal, and Gorilla Monsoon.

89 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:09:17pm

re: #86 celticdragon

I just sent this to the prof.

Two students? Double the tragedy.

90 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:10:32pm

re: #87 ProGunLiberal

I admit that I haven't changed for the better either recently. After the stuff I have shared on here, I have become more shut-in emotionally, and much more hard-hearted. I have become the Left-Wing version of Obama's "Bitter and Clinging to Guns and Religion." And that I don't try to change that much, as my efforts on trying to regenerate any sort of social group have failed in the past few months.

My mom and grandmother roundly criticized me today for making snide comments to someone who hasn't spoken to me in 4 months, and wants me to be at their graduation. Said I had become even worse than my Dad.

The difference between you and your dad is you recognize your attitude and the problems it can cause.

91 celticdragon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:10:49pm

Good night, lizards. I am not looking forward to the other papers.

92 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:10:54pm

It's amazing what passes for accomplished guitar work in pop music.

93 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:11:39pm

re: #92 Gus

It's amazing what passes for accomplished guitar work in pop music.

In regards to?

94 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:11:51pm

re: #88 dragonath

Look on the bright side. His idols could have been Billy Martin, Curly Neal, and Gorilla Monsoon.

gorilla monsoon is a false god. you should worship gorgeous george

95 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:12:09pm

re: #93 b_sharp

In regards to?

This Sandy concert.

96 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:12:40pm

re: #90 b_sharp

The best way to state how I changed politically is fairly cosmetic compared to her.

I went from nice and sweet Scandinavian Social Democrat to a harsh and bitter Ataturk-esque Social Democrat.

97 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:12:53pm

re: #95 Gus

This Sandy concert.

Who in particular? I'm not listening to it.

98 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:13:02pm

Chunka, chunka, chunka.

99 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:13:20pm

re: #97 b_sharp

Who in particular? I'm not listening to it.

Check your DMs.

100 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:14:06pm

re: #21 SteveMcG

re: 18

I got news for you. THe Republican Party melted down in 1994. The whole Whitewater thing and then the Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski was never about truth and justice, it was always about power and only power. Karl Rove was talking about leveraging the 33% Republican base into a permanent majority after "winning" the White House in 2000.

I'm with you, but after 2008 that fringe element became the driving force of the GOP.

101 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:14:29pm

John McLaughlin, Jeff Beck, and Alan Holdsworth to the rescue!

102 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:15:34pm

Academic fail x 2 students, bad guitar at a major fund raiser with a bunch of masters at hand... I think I will put on some Phillip glass to cheer up.
//

103 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:15:37pm

re: #96 ProGunLiberal

The best way to state how I changed politically is fairly cosmetic compared to her.

I went from nice and sweet Scandinavian Social Democrat to a harsh and bitter Ataturk-esque Social Democrat.

There no point in going nuts over politics --- there's always going to be lots of people who totally disagree with you that you have no hope of convincing. As long as they are not running your life (or country), the problem isn't that bad.

Ataturk is a pretty fierce role model. You might want to dial it back to 11 or so on the intensity scale.

104 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:16:41pm

Wave your cell phones in the air like you just don't care.

105 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:18:09pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Wave your cell phones in the air like you just don't care.

We were just cracking up about that line ..

106 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:18:29pm

re: #94 engineer cat

Pretender. All hail Bruno Sammartino.

107 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:20:03pm

I know much of the most recent problems are from the issue of that I think a person's politics show their personalities.

Essentially, the thought process of "This person is a libertarian, and thus must be an asshole." I'm trying to get back to where I was at this point 2 years ago, but it is a struggle with such a shrunken support system. Of course, as you can imagine, because of this, I have frayed that friendship to shreds, but they haven't left.

Yet.

108 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:22:21pm

I'm re: #101 Gus

Here, listen to Paul Anka singing "Smells Like Teen Spirit" instead

lol

109 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:23:12pm

re: #107 ProGunLiberal

I know much of the most recent problems are from the issue of that I think a person's politics show their personalities.

Essentially, the thought process of "This person is a libertarian, and thus must be an asshole." I'm trying to get back to where I was at this point 2 years ago, but it is a struggle with such a shrunken support system. Of course, as you can imagine, because of this, I have frayed that friendship to shreds, but they haven't left.

Yet.

I know an anecdote is not data, but I can say this: I'm a white man approaching middle age, with a generally sour and pessimistic outlook on life.

I refuse to align my politics with my personality and vote for the GOP.

110 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:23:16pm

re: #101 Gus

John McLaughlin, Jeff Beck, and Alan Holdsworth to the rescue!

McLaughlin has enormous chops. Love Mahavishnu Orchestra. Beck is still a monster.

111 SteveMcG  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:24:25pm

A quick word about college students. I'm back in community college at the ripe old age of 48. Anyway, since it's C.C., as opposed to a real college, some of the students are a litle on the marginal side of things. Anyway, instructor hands out the final exam, and steps out of the room (I guess some of the teachers are marginal too). Anyway, the students are frantically trying to color in the little circles for their names so they can get started cheating "What you get for number 1... I'm still putting in my name! Hurry the f up...Shit here she comes! I think they were wasting their time because they have all their notes potographed in their Iphone anyway.

112 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:25:15pm

re: #108 dragonath

I'm

Here, listen to Paul Anka singing "Smells Like Teen Spirit" instead

[Embedded content]

lol

Sharp band.

113 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:25:57pm

re: #110 b_sharp

McLaughlin has enormous chops. Love Mahavishnu Orchestra. Beck is still a monster.

You see some of his latest? Some crazy guitar work. Really liked it. Everyone wanted to play like him.

114 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:27:32pm

re: #103 EPR-radar

Ataturk is a pretty fierce role model. You might want to dial it back to 11 or so on the intensity scale.

Yeah, if you want to read something funny, read about his Fez laws.

Look how goddamn dapper he looks

115 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:28:22pm

mahavishnu

there are also some amazing compositions on those albums from the 70s like inner mounting flame

saw him a few years ago with some indian musicians who practiced an apparently southern indian style different than the northern indian classical we're more used to

116 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:29:28pm

re: #113 Gus

You see some of his latest? Some crazy guitar work. Really liked it. Everyone wanted to play like him.

How recent? Thieves and Poets is the last I have.

117 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:31:07pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

That one really irritated me, because it was such a blatant inversion of the truth. Obama was actually expressing a very positive idea about the American system of government, and it was perverted into a paranoid attack that made no logical sense.

A portrait of the Republican Party in 2012.

"You didn't build that." could be read a number of ways, whereas the "Jeeps made in China!" ad could only be read as a lie. It's status as a lie is undoubtable, and that's likely why it won.

118 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:31:09pm

re: #114 dragonath

Yeah, if you want to read something funny, read about his Fez laws.

Look how goddamn dapper he looks

i believe that's from his portrayal of the evil genius character in an early 30s hollywood crime movie ahem

119 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:31:12pm

re: #116 b_sharp

How recent? Thieves and Poets is the last I have.

With 4th Dimension.

120 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:31:58pm

re: #114 dragonath

I think I see what EPR says about the intensity.

121 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:32:05pm
"The people of the Turkish republic, who claim to be civilized," he told them, "must prove that they are civilized by the way they appear." And that, he explained, meant boots and shoes, trousers, shirt, and tie, jacket and vest. "And to complete these, a cover with a brim on our heads. I want to make this clear. This head covering is called a hat."

HAT

122 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:33:04pm

re: #121 dragonath

Holy fuck, he has a nose.

Should mention that I tried to get involved with the Mosque here, but there is no Imam.

123 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:34:45pm
124 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:35:14pm

re: #119 Gus

With 4th Dimension.

Looking to DL now.

125 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:36:38pm

re: #107 ProGunLiberal

I know much of the most recent problems are from the issue of that I think a person's politics show their personalities.

Essentially, the thought process of "This person is a libertarian, and thus must be an asshole." I'm trying to get back to where I was at this point 2 years ago, but it is a struggle with such a shrunken support system. Of course, as you can imagine, because of this, I have frayed that friendship to shreds, but they haven't left.

Yet.

It's OK to treat someone's politics as a clue to their personality, but don't assume its a be-all and end-all. Keep an open mind, PLL.

But you should head over to Destro's "Balkan War Crimes" Page and downding his latest post, since he described Croats, Bosnians, and Albanians with a bigoted slur that merits both downdings and reports for offensive content. That loon has finally gone overboard.

126 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:37:04pm

re: #78 EPR-radar

US-style libertarianism comes down to "I've got mine, you can FOAD". Embracing this view naturally makes people meaner.

I regard Libertarianism a marketing ploy, a rebranding. It's really anarchism. There were two clever reasons for this in my opinion.

First, it cut off Libertarianism from history. It no longer has the baggage of anarchism. Libertarianism is shiny, new and pure.

Second, it sets the argument before the argument even starts. To argue against Libertarianism is to argue against the very concept of liberty. Which is bullshit but that's how it appears.

Clever of whoever thought of this rebranding. Clever but unethical.

127 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:37:17pm

re: #122 ProGunLiberal

In fact, when I ran across a pastor when trying to find an old friend, he was gob-smacked when he heard that.

On that front, in looking for the old friend, I may have been successful. Partially because he was tolerating of me and willing to help anyways. Something very rare among the pastors here.

128 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:37:25pm

re: #124 b_sharp

Looking to DL now.

John McLaughlin & The 4th Dimension - Echos from Then Long Version

129 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:38:25pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

On a scale of Tropical Depression to Hurricane Wilma, how much will his comment piss me off?

130 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:38:38pm

we need an ataturk of our own to push some of our folks into modern civilization

131 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:38:53pm

My 106 year old great Aunt passed away yesterday.. a few years back she told us about being a 6 year old girl on the Carpathia when they plucked the Titanic survivors out of the Atlantic on her way to the States.. I figure she had to be the last person around from that night?

132 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:39:42pm

re: #129 ProGunLiberal

On a scale of Tropical Depression to Hurricane Wilma, how much will his comment piss me off?

Hurricane Rita.

133 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:40:39pm

re: #120 ProGunLiberal

I think I see what EPR says about the intensity.

I thought you knew the history, and was embracing that level of intensity.

To grossly over-simplify, Ataturk was on a mission to modernize Turkey. He had control of the army, and basically instituted a military dictatorship with the unusual premise of transforming Turkey from a backward religious culture to a modern secular culture (the Fez laws being a tiny part of this scheme).

Basically, he tried to do an enlightenment by force. The results have not been completely satisfactory. In particular, freedom of religion is a very difficult issue in Turkey. Religion has been controlled by the government for decades, and any loosening of these controls (as is occasionally attempted), tends to results in very radical religious elements seizing power. The government is stuck on the back of a tiger with no way to get off.

Another reason not to embrace Ataturk too enthusiastically is the Armenian issue, often referred to as a genocide.

134 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:40:46pm

re: #131 Mich-again

My 106 year old great Aunt passed away yesterday.. a few years back she told us about being a 6 year old girl on the Carpathia when they plucked the Titanic survivors out of the Atlantic on her way to the States.. I figure she had to be the last person around from that night?

Possibly. You might want to include that in her obituary, as it would probably be of interest to your local newspaper.

135 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:41:31pm

I saw the Who's final USA concert ever in Chicago in 1983. That's what they said back then anyway..

136 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:41:35pm

'Night lizards. I have some music to go listen to.

137 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:41:59pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

"You didn't build that." could be read a number of ways,

Um, no. It was fundamentally deceptive.

138 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:42:43pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Possibly. You might want to include that in her obituary, as it would probably be of interest to your local newspaper.

I'll leave that up to her 80+ year old "kids"..

139 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:44:38pm

haha, the young'ns are ragging on the oldies via twitter.

140 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:44:58pm

re: #114 dragonath

Yeah, if you want to read something funny, read about his Fez laws.

Look how goddamn dapper he looks

This is what I remember best about Ataturk.

141 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:47:14pm

I seem to remember that Ataturk said something along the lines that he couldn't control the Turkish population as they went ape-shit over the Armenians. It's not a very convincing argument.

Turkey played demographic games with Alexandretta before the referendum too.

142 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:49:40pm

But I still like Ataturk overall, even with that cult of personality that he has in Turkey.

Here's a fun fact: under his administration, the muezzin was required to call from the mosque in turkish! It was changed back into arabic in the 50s.

143 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:50:30pm

re: #133 EPR-radar

I did know the history. However, I was not familiar with how he looked.

And, yes, his way of Social Democracy has been mixed, at best. And the Armenian issue need to be confronted.

144 sagehen  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:50:59pm

I still have very fond memories of seeing The Who at Anaheim Stadium in 1976 (and no memories at all of the night before -- we lined up early with gallon bottles of cheap vodka and... perhaps it's best I don't remember).

So how many people here weren't born yet? Anybody here whose parents hadn't been born yet?

145 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:51:24pm

Uh oh! Crowder's in trouble now! New York Times!

Selective Editing by Fox News Contributor Revealed by Fox News
By ROBERT MACKEY

As my colleague Jennifer Preston reported, there were scuffles between union activists and supporters of Michigan’s Republican-dominated Legislature outside the state Capitol in Lansing on Tuesday, as the lawmakers approved sweeping changes to the way unions will be financed...

146 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:51:42pm

OMG Daltry is showing his chest.

147 bratwurst  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:51:42pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

"You didn't build that." could be read a number of ways

But when heard in context, not so much. That is why the way the GOP attempted to use it was 100% dishonest.

148 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:52:53pm

a little revisionist history music please

Emerging as a force in American education a century ago, social studies was intended to remake the high school. But its greatest effect has been in the elementary grades, where it has replaced an older way of learning that initiated children into their culture with one that seeks instead to integrate them into the social group. The result was a revolution in the way America educates its young. The old learning used the resources of culture to develop the child’s individual potential; social studies, by contrast, seeks to adjust him to the mediocrity of the social pack.

a kind of vision of traditional american society as a bunch of alienated teenagers who shun "conformism"

149 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:53:43pm
150 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:54:22pm

re: #126 Romantic Heretic

I regard Libertarianism a marketing ploy, a rebranding. It's really anarchism. There were two clever reasons for this in my opinion.

First, it cut off Libertarianism from history. It no longer has the baggage of anarchism. Libertarianism is shiny, new and pure.

Second, it sets the argument before the argument even starts. To argue against Libertarianism is to argue against the very concept of liberty. Which is bullshit but that's how it appears.

Clever of whoever thought of this rebranding. Clever but unethical.

Funny thing is, US libertarianism doesn't really mean anarchism. Property rights, after all, are to be held sacred. Instead, they want a deliberate return to the failed laissez-faire policies we had in the guilded age.

One could view it as anarchism in the sense that in Libertopia, there are no laws for the masters of the universe. Laws are only for keeping the hoi polloi under proper control and supervision, and away from the property of the Galtian Overlords.

151 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:54:27pm

Still amazed Republucans want to raise the eligibility age for the

republicans want to raise the eligibility age for voting to poorly educated and gullible

152 TedStriker  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:55:28pm

re: #114 dragonath

Yeah, if you want to read something funny, read about his Fez laws.

Look how goddamn dapper he looks

Damn, he was downright amazing looking.

Totally in a hetero male way...

153 darthstar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:56:44pm

Greetings from the snowy Sierras. Had an 18" berm of snow blocking my driveway when I got here (driving a 328i wagon - not exactly a lot of clearance)...had to rock the car back and forth a few times to get into the driveway. Called the plow guy so it should be clear when I wake up in the morning...or I'll be doing some shoveling.

Brought up a TV and my Roku...all hooked up to the wireless so I can watch things like Burn Notice (which I love) on Netflix. The dogs are happy to be here too...Fozzie took the leather chair (of course)...Banjo's by my feet chewing on a raw beef bone. Tomorrow I go get my first day of ski patrol in for the season. Should be epic - 10" of fresh snow here at the house at 7400' and 23 degrees.

This is making my new found unemployment quite pleasant indeed.

154 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:56:50pm

re: #145 Gus

Uh oh! Crowder's in trouble now! New York Times!

Selective Editing by Fox News Contributor Revealed by Fox News
By ROBERT MACKEY

NEVER FORGET!

Image: Tent.jpg

155 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:57:14pm

Okay this kind of bland music has made me crave something fucking hardcore some goddamn My Bloody Valentine

156 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:58:27pm

re: #154 Kragar

NEVER FORGET!

Image: Tent.jpg

Hmm, needs to have a flag or a bald eagle superimposed to have the full effect I guess.

157 makeitstop  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:58:35pm

re: #38 Kragar

On the bright side, it didn't lead to wide spread usage of "We built this city" by GOP candidates, which was always a real danger.

Believe it or not, I saw an acoustic version of that song by Scottish band Biffy Clyro the other day that I actually enjoyed.

158 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:58:49pm

re: #150 EPR-radar

Funny thing is, US libertarianism doesn't really mean anarchism. Property rights, after all, are to be held sacred. Instead, they want a deliberate return to the failed laissez-faire policies we had in the guilded age.

One could view it as anarchism in the sense that in Libertopia, there are no laws for the masters of the universe. Laws are only for keeping the hoi polloi under proper control and supervision, and away from the property of the Galtian Overlords.

Superficially, property rights are sacred. But dig deeper and notice that it is either up to the owner of the property to protect and keep it or 'commonly accepted' that everyone will help protect everyone else's property.

159 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:59:32pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

My response is somewhere around 2000 characters and rising.

160 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 7:59:52pm

re: #146 Stanghazi

OMG Daltry is showing his chest.

161 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:00:01pm

re: #145 Gus

Uh oh! Crowder's in trouble now! New York Times!

Selective Editing by Fox News Contributor Revealed by Fox News
By ROBERT MACKEY

I am shocked that Steven Crowder, a hard worker, a loyal husband and all around fine person would resort to such tactics!

162 makeitstop  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:00:18pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

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That's Dee Snider's biggest complaint about Twisted Sister shows nowadays - no Tylenol in the dressing room. True story.

163 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:00:20pm

re: #152 TedStriker

Damn, he was downright amazing looking.

Totally in a hetero male way...

Yeah, he gives off kind of a Lon Chaney vibe. Has that look.

Image: mv5bnde2otk4ntawov5bml5banbnxkftztcwmzg1mzqynw-_v1-_sx640_sy507_.jpg

164 darthstar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:00:29pm

My nephew got himself a little pig on Sunday...250lbs.

Image: 522704_4904758507479_1650288415_n.jpg

Looking forward to some wild boar sausage!

165 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:01:54pm

You didn't build that but this is a good choice because it's completely false. Especially considering that jeep production is gone up. Now if this is the last time I have to comment on Mitt Romney this year or frankly ever, I'm happy because I am glad he's not going to be taking the oath of office this January.

166 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:02:30pm

re: #158 kirkspencer

Superficially, property rights are sacred. But dig deeper and notice that it is either up to the owner of the property to protect and keep it or 'commonly accepted' that everyone will help protect everyone else's property.

The "commonly accepted" stuff is such horseshit that I've always assumed the first option (i.e., private armies) would be in play. What could possibly go wrong?

167 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:02:50pm

By the way. I don't think Crowder "deserved to get punched."

168 darthstar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:04:04pm

re: #167 Gus

By the way. I don't think Crowder "deserved to get punched."

No, but he does deserved getting mocked for being such a post-punch weasel.

169 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:04:47pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

You didn't build that but this is a good choice because it's completely false. Especially considering that jeep production is gone up. Now if this is the last time I have to comment on Mitt Romney this year or frankly ever, I'm happy because I am glad he's not going to be taking the oath of office this January.

I have a different view. Romney is such a textbook example of GOP fail that I want reminders of his epic douchebaggery served up frequently, since many people have short attention spans and will forget the awful details without reminders.

170 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:04:53pm

re: #166 EPR-radar

exactly. It's on the same line as the assumption that if everyone is armed everyone will be polite, productive, ... And I keep pointing to the nations where everyone IS armed and asking what would prevent that from being true here.

171 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:05:02pm

re: #150 EPR-radar

Eh, there are more different and mutually loathing forms of "anarchism" than there are Socialisms and Communisms combined.

Though I still must admit that it was good humor as a DSA'er to watch the Trotskites and the Maoists get into a knock down bare knuckle brawl at a labor day party once. The CPUSA types hung back and only jumped in on the Maoists once they had won but were weakened. Cops got there at about that point...

172 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:05:10pm

re: #159 ProGunLiberal

My response is somewhere around 2000 characters and rising.

Cut it back a little. Destro has trouble with big words, you know.

173 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:05:19pm

Waaay OT (well, music is involved) I just saw this today an thought it was just the cutest thing ever.


174 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:05:37pm

re: #168 darthstar

No, but he does deserved getting mocked for being such a post-punch weasel.

It's nuanced. ;)

175 Spocomptonite  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:06:05pm

re: #56 BongCrodny

We're doomed.

I'm in college and this is finals week. This makes me feel better!

176 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:06:20pm

re: #169 EPR-radar

I have a different view. Romney is such a textbook example of GOP fail that I want reminders of his epic douchebaggery served up frequently, since many people have short attention spans and will forget the awful details without reminders.

No argument there. I certainly won't forget his douchebaggery anytime soon but I am just super relieved he's not taking the oath next month.

177 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:07:55pm

re: #155 Obdicut

Okay this kind of bland music has made me crave something fucking hardcore some goddamn My Bloody Valentine

[Embedded content]

My kind of hardcore:

Waco Bros: Death of Country Music

178 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:07:55pm

re: #157 makeitstop

Believe it or not, I saw an acoustic version of that song by Scottish band Biffy Clyro the other day that I actually enjoyed.

YOU LIE!

179 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:08:09pm

re: #171 William Barnett-Lewis

So, in other words, what me and Destro do weekly.

He is somewhere to my left. I would peg him as Bolivarian.

180 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:08:20pm

re: #111 SteveMcG

Copied and stored in their iphone. A mini elctro-book. Brilliant, who knew this day would come. I guess then it depends on how big their hands are.

181 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:08:49pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

No argument there. I certainly won't forget his douchebaggery anytime soon but I am just super relieved he's not taking the oath next month.

Praise god from whom all blessings flow that that's the truth! And sing it to the Old Hundredth ;)

182 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:09:44pm

re: #181 William Barnett-Lewis

Praise god from whom all blessings flow that that's the truth! And sing it to the Old Hundredth ;)

Oh, you don't want to hear me sing. If you all thought Mitt's America the Beautiful was bad........

183 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:09:49pm

re: #177 BongCrodny

My kind of hardcore:

Waco Bros: Death of Country Music

184 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:10:03pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

No argument there. I certainly won't forget his douchebaggery anytime soon but I am just super relieved he's not taking the oath next month.

Me too. He would have been much worse than Bush II, which I wouldn't have thought possible before witnessing the GOP disintegration in Obama's first term.

This election cycle was like watching an avalanche of shit come down a mountain in slow motion, and the GOP was the source of 90+% of the crap.

185 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:10:37pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Oh, you don't want to hear me sing. If you all thought Mitt's America the Beautiful was bad........

Volume and enthusiasm can make up for talent.

186 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:10:57pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

You familiar with the reason why Sweden and Serbia are frosty?

187 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:11:45pm

re: #184 EPR-radar

Me too. He would have been much worse than Bush II, which I wouldn't have thought possible before witnessing the GOP disintegration in Obama's first term.

This election cycle was like watching an avalanche of shit come down a mountain in slow motion, and the GOP was the source of 90+% of the crap.

He's the most unlikable nominee for a major party in my life time. I mean granted I'm 25 but words can't explain how unlikable and unsuitable for leadership Mitt Romney really was.

188 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:11:58pm

re: #186 ProGunLiberal

You familiar with the reason why Sweden and Serbia are frosty?

Nope, though you'd think relations would improve since Ratko Mladice got arrested and shipped off to the Hague.

189 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:12:59pm

re: #185 Kragar

Volume and enthusiasm can make up for talent.

Yeah, we'll see if the good folks at the karaoke bar I'm probably headed to Saturday night agree.

190 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:13:15pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

No, its a rather...personal issue.

You familiar with Anna Lindh?

191 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:13:26pm

Let me say thank you to my many gay gentlemen customers across this great land getting their dolly on for Christmas. "Ho, ho, ho to me, damn it!"

192 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:14:30pm

re: #190 ProGunLiberal

No, its a rather...personal issue.

You familiar with Anna Lindh?

That name rings a bell to me.

193 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:14:54pm

It's not a skirt it's a kilt!

194 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:15:30pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

It should. Happened in 2003.

195 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:17:10pm

re: #194 ProGunLiberal

It should. Happened in 2003.

Yep, murdered. I remember now. Didn't know her murderer was of Serbian background though.

196 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:17:33pm

re: #183 Gus

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I had a big smile on my face during that entire song.

Of course, that might have been because it provided a convenient excuse not to watch Kanye West, but still...

197 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:17:41pm

Tiny guitars.

198 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:18:08pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

A Serbian Ultra-Nationalist, angry over Sweden's support for both the Bosnian and Kosovar Interventions.

199 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:18:25pm

re: #190 ProGunLiberal

No, its a rather...personal issue.

You familiar with Anna Lindh?

No, I'm not.

200 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:18:30pm

re: #198 ProGunLiberal

A Serbian Ultra-Nationalist, angry over Sweden's support for both the Bosnian and Kosovar Interventions.

Yeah, seeing that now.

201 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:18:37pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

He's the most unlikable nominee for a major party in my life time. I mean granted I'm 25 but words can't explain how unlikable and unsuitable for leadership Mitt Romney really was.

Since I write for a living, I'll take that as a challenge.

I think the unlikability issue for Romney is that he is a sincere plutocrat, and he is incapable of dissembling adequately on this point. In his world, the only people that count are his immediate friends and family, and peers of similar or greater wealth. Everyone else is a thing, to be exploited if useful, and ignored if not.

202 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:18:57pm

Listening to the Avett Brothers latest CD here. I like em.

203 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:19:06pm

Hmmm.

204 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:19:14pm

re: #198 ProGunLiberal

A Serbian Ultra-Nationalist, angry over Sweden's support for both the Bosnian and Kosovar Interventions.

Yeah, that'll hurt relations.

205 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:22:12pm

re: #201 EPR-radar

Since I write for a living, I'll take that as a challenge.

I think the unlikability issue for Romney is that he is a sincere plutocrat, and he is incapable of dissembling adequately on this point. In his world, the only people that count are his immediate friends and family, and peers of similar or greater wealth. Everyone else is a thing, to be exploited if useful, and ignored if not.

Right, there have been others who are just as wealthy as he is but are able to employ the common man touch. I mean I look at W Bush. Guy has quite the pedigree. Dad was president and Grandfather was a Senator. Not many if any Americans can claim that pedigree but Bush for all my faults with him could relate or try to do so with the average American. Maybe it's a personality thing, maybe he's a better bullshitter, or maybe something else but to me Romney's problem wasn't his wealth. It was relating to people beyond his class. Good example of that is the NASCAR owners bit. I mean I could give two shits about NASCAR but when you're asked about NASCAR, for fuck sake, don't say some of my friends own hte teams. And for heavens sake don't even joke about how you like to fire people when your argument is that the president has mismanaged the economy.

206 makeitstop  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:26:08pm

re: #178 Kragar

YOU LIE!

You made me do this.

207 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:36:06pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

In doing so, that created a problem. Modern-Day Sweden is like the Doctor in the way it acts. Abhors violence most of the time, and actively tries to fix things.

Piss them off, and they will make things very hard for you. This was a nation that stood its ground over a Soviet Sub that ran aground in its waters.

Do. Not. Fuck. With. Sweden.

208 palomino  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:42:37pm

If that's Romney's biggest lie, I'd nominate his "Obama is gutting welfare reform" for the 2nd spot. It gets extra points for being totally untrue AND playing to a racist sentiment among some whites that minorities in the US are living large while doing nothing except riding on the backs of hard-working white folks. Part of a truly repugnant decades long GOP strategy that some Republicans (but not many) have finally acknowledged and condemned.

209 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:44:17pm

re: #208 palomino

That was an especially mendacious lie, considering Obama himself mentioned how he changed his mind on the effectiveness of welfare reform after it was enacted.

210 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:45:03pm

Woooooot! Billy Joel! Finally!

211 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:49:25pm

At least Mittens finally won something.

212 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:53:05pm

Have yourself a merry little Christmas...

213 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:53:40pm

re: #210 Gus

Woooooot! Billy Joel! Finally!

What?

214 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:54:37pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

What?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

215 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:59:11pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

What?

Just a little bit late to the party, Dark.

216 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:05:07pm

You may be right!

217 jaunte  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:06:54pm

It just may be a lunatic you're looking for.

218 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:07:11pm

I'm lost.
/

219 jaunte  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:08:30pm
220 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:08:33pm

You made the rice, I made the gravy.

221 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:08:50pm
222 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:10:07pm

re: #217 jaunte

It just may be a lunatic you're looking for.

Turn out the lights.

223 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:11:07pm

re: #218 Varek Raith

I'm lost.
/

224 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:12:49pm

re: #220 BongCrodny

You made the rice, I made the gravy.

Pass me the bong, you're the banana man

225 austin_blue  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:14:51pm

I think it's a fine choice by PolitiFact. Romney had two huge problems in Ohio. His public position to reject the auto bailout and Bain's record on outsourcing put his ass in a crack. The Jeep meme looked to be a potential home run by his strategy team- foreign auto saviors outsource jobs to China.

Sadly for Mittens, no one did their homework. It was a disastrous ad campaign and ensured his loss in Ohio. Not that it really would have mattered. Everything in the last two weeks of the campaign was breaking to Obama. Please refer to Florida, Virginia, Nevada, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Colorado.

As a Texas Dem all I can say is, Perry '16! It's the only way we can get rid of that particular spirochete.

226 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:18:25pm

re: #225 austin_blue

I think it's a fine choice by PolitiFact. Romney had two huge problems in Ohio. His public position to reject the auto bailout and Bain's record on outsourcing put his ass in a crack. The Jeep meme looked to be a potential home run by his strategy team- foreign auto saviors outsource jobs to China.

Sadly for Mittens, no one did their homework. It was a disastrous ad campaign and ensured his loss in Ohio. Not that it really would have mattered. Everything in the last two weeks of the campaign was breaking to Obama. Please refer to Florida, Virginia, Nevada, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Colorado.

As a Texas Dem all I can say is, Perry '16! It's the only way can get rid of that particular spirochete.

Better idea: Tell Bobby Jindal it will help his changes if he exorcises Rick Perry and it'll be a good deed besides. For once Perry's demonic soul is sent back to Hell, the world will be better off.

/Entirely kidding and should not be taken seriously.

227 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:18:42pm

re: #224 Kragar

Pass me the bong, you're the banana man

Yes.

Yes I am, thank you.

228 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:19:15pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Right, there have been others who are just as wealthy as he is but are able to employ the common man touch.

Just an aside, but I always found H.W. much more the common person than the fakey way his son came off. For me, HW left perfect legal safety to be a naval aviator in the pacific and did nearly die for that. His patriotism was real, unlike most Republicans. I almost never agreed with him. But I respected him in a way I rarely respected other Republicans.

229 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:20:04pm

Maddow: Michigan GOP ‘can do whatever they want’ due to gerrymandering

Maddow noted that Obama won the state by nearly 10 points over his Republican challenger Mitt Romney. Yet, the apparently Democratic majority of Michigan residents were not reflected in the state legislature, where Republicans still have a solid majority.

“What has happened in Michigan is not some sort of miscounting of the votes,” Maddow explained. “It is not a mistake. It is weird, quite deliberately, and weird by design.”

“Elected officials draw up new districts for electing members of Congress and in state legislatures every ten years after the new census. Well, Republicans were in charge this time around in Michigan, so it was the Republicans who drew up the maps, and so Republicans got themselves pretty good advantage. They got to decide how to clump voters in certain districts, how to divide voters in other districts, so the election could produce the maximum number of Republican candidates that conscience and the federal Justice Department would allow.”

230 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:21:06pm

Wasn't expecting Michael Stipe.

231 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:22:18pm

re: #230 BongCrodny

Wasn't expecting Michael Stipe.

His chief weapon is surprise...

232 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:23:17pm

re: #231 Kragar

His chief weapon is surprise...

Surprise, and mumbled lyrics.

233 bratwurst  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:23:39pm

Why is Andrew Sullivan dueting with the guy from Coldplay?

234 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:24:06pm

Chris Martin.. Donate the average age of the performers and we'll raise billions. HA!

235 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:24:34pm

re: #230 BongCrodny

What he'd play?

236 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:25:44pm

re: #221 Kragar

Courtney Love "Not Amused" by Sir Paul & Nirvana

Shut it, Court.

Why? as she once put it, "You better watch out what you wish for; so much to die for." Paul would do well to remember that idea.

OTOH it's a toss up if Paul or Kurt was the biggest over rated hack of the 20th century...

237 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:27:15pm

re: #235 dragonath

What he'd play?

He and Chris Martin of Coldplay dueted on "Losing My Religion."

238 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:28:29pm

re: #237 BongCrodny

He and Chris Martin of Coldplay dueted on "Losing My Religion."

Did they check under the couch?

239 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:31:24pm

re: #236 William Barnett-Lewis

Why? as she once put it, "You better watch out what you wish for; so much to die for." Paul would do well to remember that idea.

OTOH it's a toss up if Paul or Kurt was the biggest over rated hack of the 20th century...

If Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic want to perform together again with whoever else they want, they sure as hell don't need to ask Courtney Love for permission to do so.

240 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:34:35pm

LOL And it's Tarantino!

241 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:36:07pm

re: #238 Kragar

Did they check under the couch?

What's The Frequency, Kragar?

242 bratwurst  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:36:32pm
243 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:37:48pm

re: #241 BongCrodny

What's The Frequency, Kragar?

4625 kHz

244 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:38:08pm

Helter.

245 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:38:12pm

re: #243 Kragar

4625 kHz

I got nothing.

246 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:38:13pm

Skelter.

247 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:43:21pm

70 years old.

248 jaunte  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:43:55pm

re: #247 Gus

70 years old.

He can't tell you how he feels
His heart is like a wheel

249 blueraven  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:44:40pm

re: #237 BongCrodny

He and Chris Martin of Coldplay dueted on "Losing My Religion."

Best of the night, to me.

250 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:46:11pm

re: #248 jaunte

He can't tell you how he feels
His heart is like a wheel

Hey Jude is next.

251 jaunte  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:46:18pm
252 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:46:47pm

Wings.

253 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:49:35pm

re: #247 Gus

70 years old.

Aren't they all 70 years old?

254 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:54:36pm

re: #253 BongCrodny

Aren't they all 70 years old?

Seems like it.

255 SteveMcG  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:55:41pm

Speaking of small guitars:


Check out the beginning and then advance to the 4:30 mark. Can that little metal strip really make that much sound?
256 bubba zanetti  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:59:28pm

re: #255 SteveMcG

When you said "little metal strip" I was hoping for something like this:

257 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:59:41pm

David Grohl.

258 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:00:20pm

Jon Stewart ‘apologizes’ for mocking ‘f*cking crazy’ war on Christmas

“Now, we’ve poked fun at this, saying such things as ‘there is no war on Christmas’ or ‘you’re fucking crazy.’ Classic wit,” Stewart continued. “But that is before I realized what these poor folks have been going through.”

Stewart then played a montage of Fox News personalities complaining that wimpy Christians were being bullied by intolerant atheists who didn’t respect tradition. But Stewart noted that these atheists had only said they wanted the government to stop favoring one religion over another.

Taking a mid-show nap, Stewart was shown what his life could have been like had all religions been treated equally.

259 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:01:17pm

re: #254 Gus

Seems like it.

I guess if rock & roll doesn't kill you it keeps you young. Some of those guys look pretty good for +/- 70.

Roger Waters - 69
Paul McCartney - 70
Eric Clapton - 67
Roger Daltrey - 68
Pete Townsend - 67
Mick Jagger - 69
Keith Richards - 146

260 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:02:11pm

Uh oh! David Grohl butt crack.

261 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:02:12pm

I wouldn't have minded a Foo or two.

262 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:09:02pm
263 jaunte  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:11:21pm

re: #259 BongCrodny

Rock star is #1 on the job satisfaction list.

264 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:12:34pm

re: #259 BongCrodny

Ronnie James Dio - Eternal

265 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:12:52pm

re: #262 dragonath

Image: Bill+Holman+sheet+music+Foo.jpg

I'm old enough to remember that strip (sigh).

"Notary sojac."

267 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:15:20am

re: #259 BongCrodny

I guess if rock & roll doesn't kill you it keeps you young. Some of those guys look pretty good for +/- 70.

Roger Waters - 69
Paul McCartney - 70
Eric Clapton - 67
Roger Daltrey - 68
Pete Townsend - 67
Mick Jagger - 69
Keith Richards - 146

In the Terry Pratchett fantasy novel "Soul Music", the characters are forming a band. They are picking out stage names. One of them, a troll, decides he would like a name that sounds like rocks or mountains, so he settles on "Cliff".

"You'll never last long in the music business with a name like 'Cliff'," replies one of the other bandmates...

268 researchok  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:27:34am

Morning, all.

269 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:38:07am

102 Minutes That Changed America-9/11
(1:40:53 documentary with no commentary, just raw camera footage from N.Y.)

270 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:51:48am

Everything Wrong With The Amazing Spiderman In 2 Minutes Or Less

271 freetoken  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:25:37am
272 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:07:26am

The Bayou Corne Sinkhole: A massive oil and gas disaster you’ve probably never heard of

Earlier this spring, residents of a rural community in Louisiana's Assumption Parish noticed mysterious bubbles rising to the surface in some bayous. Shortly thereafter, a series of small earthquakes shook the area, prompting state officials to investigate. But in Early August, the ground suddenly opened up and gave way — swallowing up acres of swamp forest. In its place there is now a gaping sinkhole filled with water, underground brines, oil, and natural gas. But this was no natural disaster, say geologists. It was the consequence of mining activities conducted by the oil and gas service company, Texas Brine.

Located about 45 miles south of Baton rouge, the Bayou Corne Sinkhole has grown to eight acres in size. In the weeks following the collapse, officials determined that an unstable and collapsing salt cavern was responsible — what prompted Texas Brine to blame seismic activity on the sinkhole.

But as Mike Ludwig from Truthout reports, the United States Geological Survey (USGS) has determined that it was the collapse of the cavern that caused the tremors felt in the neighborhood, and not the other way around — what was likely brought about by extensive mining.

273 freetoken  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:11:14am
274 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:46:09am

Wasting my morning taunting the 9/11 truthers on youtube, got a couple of live ones on the hook whose most intelligent argument is that I am a "Fag" for not believing in their conspiracy nonsense.

It wouldn't be any fun if it wasn't so obvious that I have really gotten under their skin, I'm enjoying pissing them off. Bwahahahaha ;)

So I'm very easily amused, so what?

275 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:51:24am

re: #44 celticdragon

I feel your pain. I'll be reading Western Culture final papers soon. At least my students have the excuse of being non-native speakers of English.

276 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:21:10am

re: #274 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Wasting my morning taunting the 9/11 truthers on youtube, got a couple of live ones on the hook whose most intelligent argument is that I am a "Fag" for not believing in their conspiracy nonsense.

It wouldn't be any fun if it wasn't so obvious that I have really gotten under their skin, I'm enjoying pissing them off. Bwahahahaha ;)

So I'm very easily amused, so what?

I do not bother with comment section on Youtube, they make the stalker blogs seems like the Royals sending formal Christmas greetings.

277 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:30:59am

re: #274 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Wasting my morning taunting the 9/11 truthers on youtube, got a couple of live ones on the hook whose most intelligent argument is that I am a "Fag" for not believing in their conspiracy nonsense.

It wouldn't be any fun if it wasn't so obvious that I have really gotten under their skin, I'm enjoying pissing them off. Bwahahahaha ;)

So I'm very easily amused, so what?

Didn't you read the sign: Please don't tease the animals.

278 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:33:44am

I didn't pay a ton of attention when booking my flight, and I just figured out I'm going to be celebrating New Years while in the air.

279 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:37:55am

re: #278 Obdicut

I didn't pay a ton of attention when booking my flight, and I just figured out I'm going to be celebrating New Years while in the air.

Where are you going?

280 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:38:15am

re: #278 Obdicut

I didn't pay a ton of attention when booking my flight, and I just figured out I'm going to be celebrating New Years while in the air.

If you are fyling in the right direction, you get to celebrate it repeatedly and then again after you land...

281 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:43:42am

re: #279 Vicious Babushka

Where are you going?

San Francisco, and then back here to NYC.

I may try to pop on an earlier flight, but it could be fun to be in the air for the New Year. As long as the pilots don't get champagne. Or at least if they don't spill it in the autopilot.

282 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:45:03am

re: #281 Obdicut

San Francisco, and then back here to NYC.

I may try to pop on an earlier flight, but it could be fun to be in the air for the New Year. As long as the pilots don't get champagne. Or at least if they don't spill it in the autopilot.

Have a safe flight and a great trip!

I am all traveled out for the next 5 years.

283 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:45:52am

re: #281 Obdicut

Are you flying coach? I'll bet all the business class passengers get free champagne.

284 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:50:53am

re: #283 Vicious Babushka

Are you flying coach? I'll bet all the business class passengers get free champagne.

I never fly business or whatever class. Coach4life.

Everyone will probably just be asleep, really. I wonder if they'll wake everyone with swozzles and noisemakers at whatever midnight it is wherever we are when we hit it.

285 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:54:49am

I suspect the captain will make an announcement and wish everyone a happy new year, etc...

286 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:56:46am

re: #285 Sol Berdinowitz

I'm hoping for the stewards and stewardesses rolling the drinks cart down the aisle while dancing the mazurka.

287 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:59:52am

re: #284 Obdicut

I never fly business or whatever class. Coach4life.

Everyone will probably just be asleep, really. I wonder if they'll wake everyone with swozzles and noisemakers at whatever midnight it is wherever we are when we hit it.

I flew business class for the first time in my life, on my latest trip. The advantages are you get to check more free luggage (this was important because of all the stuff we brought for my daughter), get priority boarding (which Zedushka gets anyway because he is disabled) and wider seats that recline all the way back.

Is it worth paying double the price of a coach ticket? I wouldn't. My mom paid for the upgrade because she takes a business-class vacation every year, with my sister, and I have never gone with them.

288 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:11:24am

re: #287 Vicious Babushka

Once I got to fly business class because coach was overbooked and I got put on standby. Best part was not having to pay extra for the upgrade.

Mind you, this was probably 35 years ago. Not sure airlines are that generous anymore.

289 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:13:10am

re: #288 wheat-dogghazi

Once I got to fly business class because coach was overbooked and I got put on standby. Best part was not having to pay extra for the upgrade.

Mind you, this was probably 35 years ago. Not sure airlines are that generous anymore.

The fact is that all airline travel sucks. In business class it sucks a little bit less, but sucks all the same.

290 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:21:50am
291 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:23:21am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

Tell me about it. I work in China and my uni pays for one free round trip ticket each year. So, every year I endure 14 hours of air travel to see my kids and peeps. I've flown United, American and Air Nippon, and I have to say Air Nippon was much better than the first two. I swear the seats were more comfy, the food was better and we got free slippers!

This coming year, I will use up my free ticket for my daughter's wedding. After that, I plan to tell my famly it's time they visit me. I love them all, but flying that much is a strain.

292 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:23:29am

I can already see where this is going.

293 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:25:32am

*HEAD DESK*

294 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:27:54am

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

You hooked a live one there. See if you can tire him out.

295 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:27:56am

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

*HEAD DESK*

[Embedded content]

No point in discussing. His "come at me" statement might as well have come from a brick wall.

What he is telling you is that he does not understand the science - or probably how peer-reviewed science works at all - and what he does understand of the topic (namely, whatever corresponds to his preconceived notions) tells him not to believe in it.

296 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:30:40am

re: #291 wheat-dogghazi

Tell me about it. I work in China and my uni pays for one free round trip ticket each year. So, every year I endure 14 hours of air travel to see my kids and peeps. I've flown United, American and Air Nippon, and I have to say Air Nippon was much better than the first two. I swear the seats were more comfy, the food was better and we got free slippers!

This coming year, I will use up my free ticket for my daughter's wedding. After that, I plan to tell my famly it's time they visit me. I love them all, but flying that much is a strain.

My daughter lives in Israel, and there are no direct flights out of Detroit so I always have to fly to some other city, either on the East Coast or Europe, to get a flight to Israel. I have flown KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Delta, US Airways, and of course El Al. I like El Al the best.

297 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:30:41am

In other words, he's saying, "It's winter and it's cold. So, global warming is false."

298 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:32:32am

re: #297 wheat-dogghazi

In other words, he's saying, "It's winter and it's cold. So, global warming is false."

I invite him to take a trip to Virginia. He better be sure he packed a couple pair of shorts, because we had 70 degree temps here this past week.

299 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:33:38am

re: #296 Vicious Babushka

Same problem I have on both ends. Domestic flight to Beijing, Shanghai or HK to a US hub, then another domestic hop to see either kid. Tons of fun.

300 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:37:48am

re: #299 wheat-dogghazi

Same problem I have on both ends. Domestic flight to Beijing, Shanghai or HK to a US hub, then another domestic hop to see either kid. Tons of fun.

Where in China do you live, and where in the US do your kids live?

301 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:38:46am

I live in Hunan province. My son's in Denver (well, Aurora) and my daughter's in Cedar Rapids. The rest of the family lives around Louisville, KY.

302 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:39:07am

re: #267 Sol Berdinowitz

In the Terry Pratchett fantasy novel "Soul Music", the characters are forming a band. They are picking out stage names. One of them, a troll, decides he would like a name that sounds like rocks or mountains, so he settles on "Cliff".

"You'll never last long in the music business with a name like 'Cliff'," replies one of the other bandmates...

I, for one, am a big fan of Music With Rocks In.

303 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:02:14am

Not only that, but they are spamming the airwaves with misleading commercials, just like they did with Matty Moroun's campaign against the second bridge to Canada.

304 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:10:57am

re: #303 Vicious Babushka

But Obamaphones (sic) and other "free stuff" is bad, because Democrats!

305 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:14:45am

re: #304 wheat-dogghazi

But Obamaphones (sic) and other "free stuff" is bad, because Democrats!

It's only "bad" to give free stuff to poor people, because then they will come to expect it. But it's "good" to give free stuff to rich people, because JOB CREATORS.

306 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:19:06am

re: #287 Vicious Babushka

I flew business class for the first time in my life, on my latest trip. The advantages are you get to check more free luggage (this was important because of all the stuff we brought for my daughter), get priority boarding (which Zedushka gets anyway because he is disabled) and wider seats that recline all the way back.

Is it worth paying double the price of a coach ticket? I wouldn't. My mom paid for the upgrade because she takes a business-class vacation every year, with my sister, and I have never gone with them.

For my trip to Malaysia last year we flew business class for the LA - Taipei - KL leg of the trip. Given that it's 10+ hours in the air being squeezed into coach would have probably killed me.

On the way back I went from business class into LA to coach for the flight from LA to Chicago and then Chicago to Philadelphia. No space, can't sleep (or even really doze) in near vertical position, and got my knees amputated by the jackass ahead of me fully reclining his seat at speed the moment we reached altitude.

My personal opinion is that the reclining range of airline seats needs to be severely limited even compared to the current range.

307 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:22:13am

Good morning Lizards!

Hot cup of coffee and some coffee cake* on hand. Morning email backlog handled. Large ball of fusion is visible in the morning sky after three days of dreery clouds.

Time to sit down and be productive until lunch.

* - Blueberry cake with coconut on top. :)

308 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:22:16am

re: #306 Feline Fearless Leader

Well, if they continue to pack more rows of seats in, something has to give.

You know, on one recent flight I was on a United 747, the first in a long long time. I swear there was more legroom in it than on the newer models.

309 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:23:33am

re: #307 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards!

Hot cup of coffee and some coffee cake* on hand. Morning email backlog handled. Large ball of fusion is visible in the morning sky after three days of dreery clouds.

Time to sit down and be productive until lunch.

* - Blueberry cake with coconut on top. :)

Blueberry cake sounds awesome, but coconut makes it nasty.

310 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:28:23am

re: #308 wheat-dogghazi

Well, if they continue to pack more rows of seats in, something has to give.

You know, on one recent flight I was on a United 747, the first in a long long time. I swear there was more legroom in it than on the newer models.

If they left it up to the boss of Ryanair, they would have a standing room only section in the back of the plane, too...

311 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:31:44am

re: #297 wheat-dogghazi

In other words, he's saying, "It's winter and it's cold. So, global warming is false."

Whoever is saying that should come to Chicago. It's going to be 50 degrees today and sunny. We've barely seen any snow and none of it has stuck.

312 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:33:53am

re: #288 wheat-dogghazi

Once I got to fly business class because coach was overbooked and I got put on standby. Best part was not having to pay extra for the upgrade.

Mind you, this was probably 35 years ago. Not sure airlines are that generous anymore.

We flew biz class the first trip to and from Vietnam because it was spring break and the students had coach filled up. Very nice, especially the layover lounge in Seoul.
The second trip, when we brought our son home, was in coach. 24 hours in the center sardine seats with a three month old. I wish we could have afforded the upgrade that time...

313 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:34:10am

re: #306 Feline Fearless Leader

For my trip to Malaysia last year we flew business class for the LA - Taipei - KL leg of the trip. Given that it's 10+ hours in the air being squeezed into coach would have probably killed me.

On the way back I went from business class into LA to coach for the flight from LA to Chicago and then Chicago to Philadelphia. No space, can't sleep (or even really doze) in near vertical position, and got my knees amputated by the jackass ahead of me fully reclining his seat at speed the moment we reached altitude.

My personal opinion is that the reclining range of airline seats needs to be severely limited even compared to the current range.

I actually almost always fly United on the rare occasions when I fly these days. American got rid of their Economy Plus seating and then moved the seats in even closer, so I couldn't fly on that airline today without serious leg pain. I need extra legroom (6'4").

314 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:36:45am

I don't have the time right now, but somebody should review and time the next WAP:

Wingnut Apoplectic Poutrage

About this time yesterday as LGF's own token Breitbartians were noting the hot dog dude's hot dog stand, business, life, and next 3 generations of children were destroyed by union thugs, I was looking for more information on the web.

In about 20 minutes I noticed the hits increase by an order of magnitude.

Today, there are thousands of hits. All saying the same false information first shared on LGF yesterday:

union thugs destroy hot dog stand

315 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:37:47am

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

They design planes for average heights (like me, 175 cm), but I swear they fudge the dimensions to make it as tight as possible. It's like trying on a pair of shoes that have the wrong size label on them.

316 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:40:07am

To the point that the work "union" is now associated with "thugs" just like the word "welfare" is associated with "fraud".

Part of it is our own fault for letting them hijack the dialogue, unions are supposed to be associated with workers' rights, strong families and communities...what happened?

317 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:41:15am

re: #315 wheat-dogghazi

They design planes for average heights (like me, 175 cm), but I swear they fudge the dimensions to make it as tight as possible. It's like trying on a pair of shoes that have the wrong size label on them.

They probably do work with dummies and such. But the dummies don't fidget, try to use a laptop, get a book out of their carry-on bag, or get up out of the window seat and get to the aisle past the others...

Ergonomics only gets you so far.

318 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:45:29am

Rain in So Cal. You know what that means. Treacherous driving & accidents every mile. I made it!

319 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:45:59am

re: #315 wheat-dogghazi

They design planes for average heights (like me, 175 cm), but I swear they fudge the dimensions to make it as tight as possible. It's like trying on a pair of shoes that have the wrong size label on them.

I know. If I'm ever taking a medium distance trip again and have a choice, I'm going to take Amtrak. I've found the seats have more room and they're wider. Plus you get better visuals out of the window (big plus for a visual person like me).

320 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:46:07am

re: #317 Feline Fearless Leader

They probably do work with dummies and such. But the dummies don't fidget, try to use a laptop, get a book out of their carry-on bag, or get up out of the window seat and get to the aisle past the others...

Ergonomics only gets you so far.

Ergonomics are subjugated to economics. On Ryanair the seats don't even recline anymore. I take it in stride for a two-hour flight to Helsinki that costs me around $25 each way...

321 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:46:28am

re: #316 Sol Berdinowitz

To the point that the work "union" is now associated with "thugs" just like the word "welfare" is associated with "fraud"

Onward Conservative Media Soldiers.

Listening to Dana Loesch interview Tarver right now. I can tell she's really happy with this 'story.'

322 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:47:36am

re: #314 Kronocide

I don't have the time right now, but somebody should review and time the next WAP:

Wingnut Apoplectic Poutrage

About this time yesterday as LGF's own token Breitbartians were noting the hot dog dude's hot dog stand, business, life, and next 3 generations of children were destroyed by union thugs, I was looking for more information on the web.

In about 20 minutes I noticed the hits increase by an order of magnitude.

Today, there are thousands of hits. All saying the same false information first shared on LGF yesterday:

union thugs destroy hot dog stand

Actually, donations have already been made in amounts greater than need to replace all the equipment that man lost. So he'll be just fine.

323 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:48:06am

I like being just a bit taller than the default size in our society.

Thanks, genetics and proper nutrition!

324 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:48:40am

re: #306 Feline Fearless Leader

Seatguru is your friend. I use that all the time when I'm flying to make sure that I'm getting the most legroom possible for available seating. Airlines will adjust seat pitch depending on perceived demand over time (space between seats), but it's best to sit on exit rows or behind bulkheads where no one can cramp your space.

But I also think that some airlines are allowing upgrades to more legroom, so this is a profit center for them (and a BDSM experience for everyone else, especially when you're 6'+).

325 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:49:51am

re: #316 Sol Berdinowitz

To the point that the work "union" is now associated with "thugs" just like the word "welfare" is associated with "fraud".

Part of it is our own fault for letting them hijack the dialogue, unions are supposed to be associated with workers' rights, strong families and communities...what happened?

Someone with media savvy and piles of cash decided to build and push a particular narrative long enough to make it stick. That said narrative was profitable and drew plenty of allies willing to help spread it did not apparently hurt.

At the root of it is the fact that homo sapiens is not a logical creature. Logical thinking can be learned, but it is not the default mode.

326 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:50:29am

re: #319 Dark_Falcon

I know. If I'm ever taking a medium distance trip again and have a choice, I'm going to take Amtrak. I've found the seats have more room and they're wider. Plus you get better visuals out of the window (big plus for a visual person like me).

Last year, we drove to New York for my daughter's engagement rather than fly. We stopped for the night at a Quality Inn in Clarion, PA (for $55), then when we got to NY we didn't have to rent a car because we already had one! :)

The down side is that on the way back there was a snow storm on I-80. But we had already pulled off the road for the night.

327 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:53:23am

re: #325 Feline Fearless Leader

Someone with media savvy and piles of cash decided to build and push a particular narrative long enough to make it stick. That said narrative was profitable and drew plenty of allies willing to help spread it did not apparently hurt.

At the root of it is the fact that homo sapiens is not a logical creature. Logical thinking can be learned, but it is not the default mode.

The GOp was too invested to back away from the "you didn't build that" meme even after every non-wingnut in the country knew what it referred to, and they really fell on their faces over the "Jeep is outsourcing to China" Big Lie.

328 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:56:09am

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

Actually, donations have already been made in amounts greater than need to replace all the equipment that man lost. So he'll be just fine.

I know. It was pretty ugly and I have little doubt he was probably called Uncle Tom and the niCLANG was dropped.

Many union members are construction workers after all. Not excusing it but understand of the situation. But we have to take into account two things by asking two questions:

Why were they there and what were they protesting?

Is unionism the cause of the thuggery, or thugs the cause of the thuggery who happen to work for the unions?

The narrative being driven is that unionism = thuggery. As much as I deplore Tarver being called an Uncle Tom and a niCLANG, that pales in comparison to the much more pernicious association of unionism and thuggery.

329 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:58:33am

re: #328 Kronocide

I know. It was pretty ugly and I have little doubt he was probably called Uncle Tom and the niCLANG was dropped.

Many union members are construction workers after all. Not excusing it but understand of the situation. But we have to take into account two things by asking two questions:

Why were they there and what were they protesting?

Is unionism the cause of the thuggery, or thugs the cause of the thuggery who happen to work for the unions?

The narrative being driven is that unionism = thuggery. As much as I deplore Tarver being called an Uncle Tom and a niCLANG, that pales in comparison to the much more pernicious association of unionism and thuggery.

101 years ago when the Triangle Shirtwaist factory burned to the ground, the owners tried to blame the fire on arson set by "Union thugs"

330 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:59:47am

re: #329 Vicious Babushka

101 years ago when the Triangle Shirtwaist factory burned to the ground, the owners tried to blame the fire on arson set by "Union thugs"

And the workers who defended themselves against the Pinkertons were "thugs" as well...

331 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:02:20am

re: #328 Kronocide

I know. It was pretty ugly and I have little doubt he was probably called Uncle Tom and the niCLANG was dropped.

Many union members are construction workers after all. Not excusing it but understand of the situation. But we have to take into account two things by asking two questions:

Why were they there and what were they protesting?

Is unionism the cause of the thuggery, or thugs the cause of the thuggery who happen to work for the unions?

The narrative being driven is that unionism = thuggery. As much as I deplore Tarver being called an Uncle Tom and a niCLANG, that pales in comparison to the much more pernicious association of unionism and thuggery.

'niCLANG' means the n-word, correct?

332 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:06:00am

re: #328 Kronocide

The "thuggery " such as what little there is, exists because Union members remember how many times the corporations, often with government help, stooped to assault and murder to prevent workers form having any rights. This time we're in the propaganda phase as the GOP tries to get to the point where they can ban unions.

334 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:11:43am

Management can be thuggish too.
Management will pay somebody else to do the dirty work, be it swing a pipe, light a garbage can on fire, or write an OpEd or host a radio show to push a narrative that the unions are being thugs because it's their nature. Completely detached from the reason the unions organized and are upset in the first place.

It's a similar rhetorical framework for justifying racism by painting the minority as less than human: the unions are less than human, made up of heathens and low hanging human fruit, acting out because it's their nature, see?

Very nasty.
The Kochs can be thugs too, albeit a much more powerful and far ranging pseudo-intellectual thuggery. Instead of swinging a pipe or lighting a trash can on fire they can write a few checks paying propagandists to infer justification of treating the unions as less than human, scum... and setting justification to settle the union violence and rage with an alternate response of violence.

335 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:12:30am

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

'niCLANG' means the n-word, correct?

Yes. It's more flair than n*****. And most importantly, easier to type.

336 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:13:07am

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

'niCLANG' means the n-word, correct?

The hot dogs are near.
/

337 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:14:04am

re: #333 Varek Raith

Obama ‘May Decide To Go Blow Up Small Countries’ For Fun, Norquist Predicts

Two things that I cannot get over: that Mitt Romney got that many votes and that Grover Norquist is taken so seriously.

338 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:14:23am

re: #335 Kronocide

Yes. It's more flair than n*****. And most importantly, easier to type.

I like it because it shows that the person using it obviously considers the word inappropriate, whereas just typing out n***** and having it filtered might mean you really meant it.

339 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:15:03am

re: #338 Obdicut

I like it because it shows that the person using it obviously considers the word inappropriate, whereas just typing out n***** and having it filtered might mean you really meant it.

And it means he has seen "Blazing Saddles"

340 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:17:54am

I'm interested in AFP's reasoning for putting up a tent during a rally against Right to Work.

Big Tent outreach efforts?

Or, to provoke?

I'm looking for AFP statements on this.

341 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:18:05am

re: #339 Vicious Babushka

And it means he has seen "Blazing Saddles"

Which is the basic documentary of how a community is affected by having a black put in a position of authority...
/// ;)

342 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:18:58am

And the Winner of TIME’s Person of the Year Reader Poll Is…

Kim Jong Un ....
Pakistani schoolgirl and girls’ education advocate Malala Yousafzai, who was shot in the head by a Taliban gunman for her outspoken activism, placed 15th; Korean rapper Psy, creator of the ‘Gangnam Style’-sensation and the most-watched video in YouTube history, placed 17th.

343 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:20:06am

re: #342 Killgore Trout

And the Winner of TIME’s Person of the Year Reader Poll Is…

Damn, I was sure it would be me.
:(

344 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:23:19am

re: #342 Killgore Trout

There appears to have been a 4chan element to that choice.

345 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:24:17am

re: #343 Varek Raith

I still have my 2006 award. /oh wait, I tossed it over the railing at Time Warner Center in Columbus Circle...

346 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:24:20am

re: #343 Varek Raith

Damn, I was sure it would be me.
:(

Better luck next time. I think these news orgs should retime the online polls for person of the year. The Guardian has a very Pro-Manning/Wikileaks editorial slant but even they seemed embarrassed that Bradley Manning ended up winning their person of the year. It's just too easy to spam polls and make the award meaningless.

347 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:25:05am

re: #346 Killgore Trout

Better luck next time. I think these news orgs should retime the online polls for person of the year. The Guardian has a very Pro-Manning/Wikileaks editorial slant but even they seemed embarrassed that Bradley Manning ended up winning their person of the year. It's just too easy to spam polls and make the award meaningless.

RON PAUL.

348 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:28:56am

re: #347 Varek Raith

RON PAUL.

You mean he's not Man of the Year?

349 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:29:44am

re: #348 Sol Berdinowitz

You mean he's not Man of the Year?

Nah, Man of the Century.

/

350 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:29:59am

re: #333 Varek Raith

Obama ‘May Decide To Go Blow Up Small Countries’ For Fun, Norquist Predicts

Nah, that was George the Lesser Bush's legacy.

351 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:30:34am

re: #348 Sol Berdinowitz

You mean he's not Man of the Year?

Man of Infinity.

352 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:31:28am

I took a look at FoxNews latest poll.
Within 3 pages I found these questions.
Figure 1

Figure 2

Figure 3

Figure 4

Take a moment to really look at the questions and survey your initial emotional response to them.

These are unquestionably push-poll questions, but they're some of the most subtle push-poll questions I've ever seen.

Does Fox News' dishonesty have no bounds?

353 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:33:06am

re: #349 Targetpractice

Nah, Man of the Century.

/

The 16th Century

354 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:33:22am

Charles, how do we change the slide show timing for our pics?

355 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:34:02am

re: #352 b_sharp

[snip]

Does Fox News' dishonesty have no bounds?

No

356 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:34:17am

re: #355 Eventual Carrion

No

Double negative.

357 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:35:24am

re: #352 b_sharp

I took a look at FoxNews latest poll.
Within 3 pages I found these questions.
Figure 1

Figure 2

Figure 3

Figure 4

Take a moment to really look at the questions and survey your initial emotional response to them.

These are unquestionably push-poll questions, but they're some of the most subtle push-poll questions I've ever seen.

Does Fox News' dishonesty have no bounds?

What was the next question down the list? "Do you think President Obama is: A) A con-artist B) An habitual liar or C) All of the above?"

358 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:35:27am

re: #356 Obdicut

Double negative.

Yes

359 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:36:43am

re: #357 Targetpractice

What was the next question down the list? "Do you think President Obama is: A) A con-artist B) An habitual liar or C) All of the above?"

I half expected to see something like that. I really did.

360 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:37:17am

re: #358 Eventual Carrion

Yes

Now you're just playing word games.

361 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:40:48am

no it has yes bounds?

362 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:42:00am

re: #361 Sol Berdinowitz

no it has yes bounds?

Yes, it has no no bounds.

363 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:42:38am

yes, we have no bananas...

364 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:44:01am

Breitbartniks in total damage control mode:

365 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:44:37am

re: #363 Sol Berdinowitz

yes, we have no bananas...

366 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:46:47am

re: #364 Vicious Babushka

Breitbartniks in total damage control mode:

Media Claims Conservatives Staged Union Violence in Michigan - a recount of events start to finish.

Setting up straw man to knock over straw man...

367 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:47:04am

re: #352 b_sharp

I took a look at FoxNews latest poll.
Within 3 pages I found these questions.
Figure 1

Figure 2

Figure 3

Figure 4

Take a moment to really look at the questions and survey your initial emotional response to them.

These are unquestionably push-poll questions, but they're some of the most subtle push-poll questions I've ever seen.

Does Fox News' dishonesty have no bounds?

Is there a way to stop the slideshow so I can actually read the questions?

368 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:48:06am

'Morning, Lizards...

Some people just can't find enough things to get all pissy about. Case in point:

Jagger Sparks Controversy With Comment At Sandy Relief Concert: ‘If It Rains In London, You’ve Got To Come Help Us’

Srsly?

369 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:48:28am

re: #367 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Is there a way to stop the slideshow so I can actually read the questions?

You don't need to read them, just give your gut reaction to Obama's plans to fleece the rich, wreck the economy and drive us all into government dependency so he can be elected to a third and permanent term.

/

370 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:49:27am

re: #364 Vicious Babushka

Breitbartniks in total damage control mode:

[Embedded content]

They couldn't have staged it! They have video of it all! I've seen it!!!

371 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:49:40am

re: #367 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Is there a way to stop the slideshow so I can actually read the questions?

I don't know.
I left a question for Charles along that line.
I had forgotten about the auto slide show when I posted them (creeping old fartism)

372 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:50:12am

re: #368 makeitstop

'Morning, Lizards...

Some people just can't find enough things to get all pissy about. Case in point:

Jagger Sparks Controversy With Comment At Sandy Relief Concert: ‘If It Rains In London, You’ve Got To Come Help Us’

Srsly?

Sounds like a joke to me.

373 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:51:55am

re: #364 Vicious Babushka

Breitbartniks in total damage control mode:

[Embedded content]

Speaking of the Breitbrats, last night I was looking for something to watch on Amazon Prime instant video and came across Occupy Unmasked. I almost spit coffee all over my keyboard when I read the description:

A shocking indictment of one of the most controversial movements in American history, featuring the conservative visionary Andrew Breitbart and journalists Brandon Darby, David Horowitz, Pam Keys, Anita MonCrief, Mandy Nagy, and Lee Stranahan.

374 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:53:03am

re: #372 b_sharp

Sounds like a joke to me.

I thought it was pretty funny, it got a laugh out of me while watching.

I'll give 50-50 odds that O'Reilly bitches about it on his show tonight.

375 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:53:29am

re: #373 CuriousLurker

Speaking of the Breibrats, last night I was looking for something to watch on Amazon Prime instant video and came across Occupy Unmasked. I almost spit coffee all over my keyboard when I read the description:

"Conservative visionary"?

376 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:53:33am

re: #373 CuriousLurker

Speaking of the Breibrats, last night I was looking for something to watch on Amazon Prime instant video and came across Occupy Unmasked. I almost spit coffee all over my keyboard when I read the description:

Conservative visionary?
The only thing he was visionary about was self promotion.

377 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:53:56am

I know I shouldn't look at the Twitter DERP list, it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

378 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:54:51am

re: #374 makeitstop

I thought it was pretty funny, it got a laugh out of me while watching.

I'll give 50-50 odds that O'Reilly bitches about it on his show tonight.

Has Bill'O finished with the Warrr On Christmassss! yet?

379 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:54:59am

re: #371 b_sharp

I don't know.
I left a question for Charles along that line.
I had forgotten about the auto slide show when I posted them (creeping old fartism)

If he can set it to pause on mouseover that would solve the whole problem. It really does move too fast to read anything longer than a line or two.

BTW, I just noticed you new avatar last night. Soooo cute!

380 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:54:59am

GAH, makes me want to put my shoe through the monitor!

381 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:56:07am

re: #380 Vicious Babushka

GAH, makes me want to put my shoe through the monitor!

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What's this "our" business, white man?

382 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:56:38am

re: #377 Vicious Babushka

I know I shouldn't look at the Twitter DERP list, it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Oh man, what a list!

383 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:58:30am

Journalists? Most controversial in American history?

I recognize the words, but I don't think we use the same dictionary.

384 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:59:41am

re: #379 CuriousLurker

If he can set it to pause on mouseover that would solve the whole problem. It really does move too fast to read anything longer than a line or two.

BTW, I just noticed you new avatar last night. Soooo cute!

It was either that or a Killer Clown. I figured that one was the most macho of the two.

Bill O'Really

385 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:00:52am

re: #383 kirkspencer

Journalists? Most controversial in American history?

I recognize the words, but I don't think we use the same dictionary.

I left my "Bullshit to English dictionary" at home.

386 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:02:21am

re: #375 Targetpractice

"Conservative visionary"?

re: #383 kirkspencer

Journalists? Most controversial in American history?

I recognize the words, but I don't think we use the same dictionary.

Yeah, it's just like everything else they do--all B.S. and hyperbole.

387 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:03:18am

re: #386 CuriousLurker

re: #383 kirkspencer

Yeah, it's just like everything else they do--all B.S. and hyperbole.

HyperBSole.

388 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:03:45am

In case you missed it: EI came back for a visit, but not to apologize for his bizarrely insane...er, I meant forgetful page yesterday.

No, he came back strictly on a poo-flinging mission:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

389 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:05:33am

re: #388 bratwurst

In case you missed it: EI came back for a visit, but not to apologize for his bizarrely insane...er, I meant forgetful page yesterday.

No, he came back strictly on a poo-flinging mission:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

What happened to him? He used to be so... sane-like.

390 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:06:20am

re: #389 b_sharp

What happened to him? He used to be so... sane-like.

Depressed. Has decided to commit Suicide by Stinky.

391 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:06:52am

re: #368 makeitstop

'Morning, Lizards...

Some people just can't find enough things to get all pissy about. Case in point:

Jagger Sparks Controversy With Comment At Sandy Relief Concert: ‘If It Rains In London, You’ve Got To Come Help Us’

Srsly?

Just one freaking moron and Twitchy. What a bunch of idiots. I'm surprised they're even able to type. It was a joke. In fact it was a weak old guy joke since it rains a lot in London. Or at least it used to.

392 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:06:53am

re: #374 makeitstop

I thought it was pretty funny, it got a laugh out of me while watching.

I'll give 50-50 odds that O'Reilly bitches about it on his show tonight.

Michelle Malkin is bitching about it.

393 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:08:29am

re: #391 Gus

Just one freaking moron and Twitchy. What a bunch of idiots. I'm surprised they're even able to type. It was a joke. In fact it was a weak old guy joke since it rains a lot in London. Or at least it used to.

Creeping Old Fartism hits everybody eventually.

394 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:10:34am

re: #388 bratwurst

In case you missed it: EI came back for a visit, but not to apologize for his bizarrely insane...er, I meant forgetful page yesterday.

No, he came back strictly on a poo-flinging mission:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I believe that's the first time I've ever seen an LGF page used strictly for a whinging session. He should have just deleted it.

395 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:11:05am

re: #392 b_sharp

Michelle Malkin is bitching about it.

Well, there ya go. It's on the Poutrage short list, then.

396 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:11:13am

re: #394 makeitstop

I believe that's the first time I've ever seen an LGF page used strictly for a whinging session. He should have just deleted it.

It's almost like we have our own pre-stalker site right here at LGF...

397 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:11:19am

re: #393 b_sharp

Creeping Old Fartism hits everybody eventually.

Everyone was freaking out about something last night during the concert. On Twitter that is. You name it. And I thought I was a grouchy old cynic. Kanye wearing that skirt freaked everyone out. People whining about Paul McCartney playing too much Wings (as if that's anything new). Some people making stupid jokes about the audience being whiter then a a "KKK rally for Palin." That was from someone who runs a well known lefty blog. Other people moaning about all the white people in the audience. Fuck. Stupid Americans.

398 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:14:36am

re: #397 Gus

I thought it was a great concert because it appealed to a big section of US society that has a lot of money, so if you're trying to raise money, it's a good one to go after.

399 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:14:57am

re: #397 Gus

Everyone was freaking out about something last night during the concert. On Twitter that is. You name it. And I thought I was a grouchy old cynic. Kanye wearing that skirt freaked everyone out. People whining about Paul McCartney playing too much Wings (as if that's anything new). Some people making stupid jokes about the audience being white then a a "KKK rally for Palin." That was from someone who runs a well known lefty blog. Other people moaning about all the white people in the audience. Fuck. Stupid Americans.

The amount of vitriol over Kanye's set surprised me, honestly.

I'm not the least bit familiar with his music, and the thing that kinda pissed me off about it was the mix on TV was so bad I couldn't get a handle on what the hell he was doing.

The mix seemed off to me all night. with the exception of Clapton (and some of Townshend's stuff during the 'Oo set), I didn't hear a single guitar solo all night.

400 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:18:15am

re: #399 makeitstop

The amount of vitriol over Kanye's set surprised me, honestly.

I'm not the least bit familiar with his music, and the thing that kinda pissed me off about it was the mix on TV was so bad I couldn't get a handle on what the hell he was doing.

The mix seemed off to me all night. with the exception of Clapton (and some of Townshend's stuff during the 'Oo set), I didn't hear a single guitar solo all night.

Kanye dropped the n-word if I'm not mistaken. That led to slight up-tick from the PC police in the form of "why now?" As if he's some kind of spokesman to liberalism. Um, no. The skirt thing blew up people's minds since it still remains as a gender fuck. That led to all sorts of transphobic thoughts and by default, gayness day dreaming. Especially in the macho driven culture of that musical genre.

401 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:18:42am

You people remind me of why I paqy no attention to Twitter, just as I pay no attention to stupid people discussing things they don't grasp in bars or at the mall...

402 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:18:53am

re: #400 Gus

Kanye dropped the n-word if I'm not mistaken. That led to slight up-tick from the PC police in the form of "why now?" As if he's some kind of spokesman to liberalism. Um, no. The skirt thing blew up people's minds since it still remains as a gender fuck. That led to all sorts of transphobic thoughts and by default, gayness day dreaming. Especially in the macho driven culture of that musical genre.

Kanye's a gay fish.

403 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:20:19am

re: #357 Targetpractice

What was the next question down the list? "Do you think President Obama is: A) A con-artist B) An habitual liar or C) All of the above?"

Do you think President Obama is: A) evil B) Evil or c) EVIL?

404 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:21:03am

re: #397 Gus

I thought the musical acts were great, the comedy bits not so much, but I get why they needed those - to fill dead air while they changed the stage for each musical act.

Thought that Bruce and Bon Jovi were great, Roger Waters was pretty good, the Stones weren't bad, the Who was awesome, and couldn't stay up to hear Billy Joel, Paul McCartney and Nirvana.

Alicia Keys was nice (and where were more female acts? the whole show seemed to have skewed old white, and British with the triumvirate of British rock royalty showing up, plus Clapton). Didn't really get the whole Kanye thing, and maybe would have been nice to see the surviving members of the Beastie Boys or Run DMC for a truly NYC vibe. No Lady Gaga or Madonna, despite their ties to NYC either. Odd that.

But overall their hearts were in the right place and in the end, that's what the performances were all about. We'll see just how much they raised in coming weeks and how efficiently they get that money to where it's needed.

405 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:21:52am

re: #401 Sol Berdinowitz

You people remind me of why I paqy no attention to Twitter, just as I pay no attention to stupid people discussing things they don't grasp in bars or at the mall...

We remind you of stupid people?

406 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:22:27am

re: #403 BongCrodny

Do you think President Obama is: A) evil B) Evil or c) EVIL?

D) Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil.


and Kenyan

407 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:22:37am

re: #400 Gus

Kanye dropped the n-word if I'm not mistaken. That led to slight up-tick from the PC police in the form of "why now?" As if he's some kind of spokesman to liberalism. Um, no. The skirt thing blew up people's minds since it still remains as a gender fuck. That led to all sorts of transphobic thoughts and by default, gayness day dreaming. Especially in the macho driven culture of that musical genre.

I thought the visuals of his set, from costume to lighting, were pretty striking. The mix killed it for me, though.

And wearing a skirt (kilt?)? Axl Rose did it back in '88. It might be something new in the hip-hop world, but geeze. There are so many other things to get righteous about, like Jagger's rain joke.
///

408 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:23:08am

re: #405 b_sharp

We remind you of stupid people?

your quotes and references to Twitter remind me of why I pay no attention to it. Twitter makes it possible for local Stupid to go global in real time...

409 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:26:00am

re: #408 Sol Berdinowitz

your quotes and references to Twitter remind me of why I pay no attention to it. Twitter makes it possible for local Stupid to go global in real time...

Just a little public service we do for fellow lizards.

410 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:26:12am

re: #397 Gus

Everyone was freaking out about something last night during the concert. On Twitter that is. You name it. And I thought I was a grouchy old cynic. Kanye wearing that skirt freaked everyone out. People whining about Paul McCartney playing too much Wings (as if that's anything new). Some people making stupid jokes about the audience being whiter then a a "KKK rally for Palin." That was from someone who runs a well known lefty blog. Other people moaning about all the white people in the audience. Fuck. Stupid Americans.

A bunch of old white rockers attracting an old white audience. Nobody could have guessed that was going to happen!

411 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:26:49am

re: #404 lawhawk

I thought the musical acts were great, the comedy bits not so much, but I get why they needed those - to fill dead air while they changed the stage for each musical act.

Thought that Bruce and Bon Jovi were great, Roger Waters was pretty good, the Stones weren't bad, the Who was awesome, and couldn't stay up to hear Billy Joel, Paul McCartney and Nirvana.

Alicia Keys was nice (and where were more female acts? the whole show seemed to have skewed old white, and British with the triumvirate of British rock royalty showing up, plus Clapton). Didn't really get the whole Kanye thing, and maybe would have been nice to see the surviving members of the Beastie Boys or Run DMC for a truly NYC vibe. No Lady Gaga or Madonna, despite their ties to NYC either. Odd that.

But overall their hearts were in the right place and in the end, that's what the performances were all about. We'll see just how much they raised in coming weeks and how efficiently they get that money to where it's needed.

The McCartney set was pretty good. He played a few classic Beatles songs. He hit the bass, guitar, and piano. I think it was one song from Nirvana with Grohl and what's his face on bass. Big pyrotechnics on stage for the ending. Surprised he didn't go up in flames. He looked pretty happy and he's 70 years old.

412 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:30:16am

re: #411 Gus

The McCartney set was pretty good. He played a few classic Beatles songs. He hit the bass, guitar, and piano. I think it was one song from Nirvana with Grohl and what's his face on bass. Big pyrotechnics on stage for the ending. Surprised he didn't go up in flames. He looked pretty happy and he's 70 years old.

I think the pyro got to Macca. After the song he sat at the piano shaking his head and rubbing his eyes.

And if you want to talk about offensive - Crist Novoselic's purple velvet shirt and green pants are still burned into my retinas. Dude needed a stylist last night.

414 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:41:39am

re: #413 Gus

Devil bunnies! I snort the nose Lucifer!!!

415 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:42:09am

re: #413 Gus

Lansing Union Attack Victim: Assailant Wore Guy Fawkes-Like 'Devil Mask'

Where is the video?

416 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:42:59am

re: #413 Gus

I thought that might come up. Tarver described two guys, one with a 'ski mask' and one with a 'hockey mask like Jason.'

Dirty rotten liars.

417 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:43:10am

re: #413 Gus

Lansing Union Attack Victim: Assailant Wore Guy Fawkes-Like 'Devil Mask'

And he was 7 feet tall and had claws!
/

(This should give KT something to talk about for a while today. Rapey stabby mask!!11ty)

418 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:44:55am
The Guy Fawkes mask is a symbol of both the Occupy Wall Street and Anonymous movements.

Whoompem Wingnut Style

419 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:45:28am

re: #417 makeitstop

And he was 7 feet tall and had claws!
/

(This should give KT something to talk about for a while today. Rapey stabby mask!!11ty)

Exactly. ;)

420 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:46:58am

re: #419 Gus

Exactly. ;)

Speaking of which - did the Morning Wingnut Wave decide to take the day off or something?

Oh, now I've gone and jinxed it...

421 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:47:03am

Members of the Thugee Cult

422 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:47:43am

re: #420 makeitstop

Speaking of which - did the Morning Wingnut Wave decide to take the day off or something?

Oh, now I've gone and jinxed it...

It's still early. //

423 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:48:09am
424 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:49:26am

re: #420 makeitstop

Speaking of which - did the Morning Wingnut Wave decide to take the day off or something?

Oh, now I've gone and jinxed it...

"Something slightly wingnutty"

"Something even more wingnutty"

"Walk back second comment with a twist"

"Link to WND"Redacted.

425 dragonath  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:50:17am

Jesus lookalike ejected at darts match after taunts from baying crowd

When darts fans saw bearded Nathan Grindal at a tournament, they thought they were witnessing not just a double top but a second coming.

‘Jesus, Jesus’ they began to chant… loudly and repeatedly.

I just like the caption.

426 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:50:37am

re: #423 Gus

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Doesn't Ariana understand "too big to fail"...it's not just for banks anymore

427 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:52:47am

Rapey Stabbey Thuggy

428 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:53:17am

re: #425 dragonath

Jesus lookalike ejected at darts match after taunts from baying crowd

I just like the caption.

'Jesus Lookalike' would be an awesome band name.

429 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:53:53am

re: #425 dragonath

Jesus lookalike ejected at darts match after taunts from baying crowd

I just like the caption.

His use of words like distressed, cry, upset, makes it sound like he's prepping to sue .

Victim is the word.

430 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:53:59am

WTF!

431 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:54:28am

re: #428 makeitstop

'Jesus Lookalike' would be an awesome band name.

Or 'Baying Crowd'

432 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:55:02am

re: #430 Vicious Babushka

WTF!

[Embedded content]

He must have changed his meds.

433 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:55:36am

re: #426 Sol Berdinowitz

Doesn't Ariana understand "too big to fail"...it's not just for banks anymore

She's trying to gain some hipster points. Last I checked she was worth 300 million dollars and then there was that writer compensation thing -- which they lost in court again yesterday. The CEO of HuffPo is Timothy Armstrong and it's owned by AOL/Time Warner. She's in bed with the very same people she's concerned about.

434 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:56:20am

re: #433 Gus

She's trying to gain some hipster points. Last I checked she was worth 300 million dollars and then there was that writer compensation thing -- which they lost in court again yesterday. The CEO of HuffPo is Timothy Armstrong and it's owned by AOL/Time Warner. She's in bed with the very same people she's concerned about.

I wouldn't go to bed with her.

435 dragonath  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:56:38am

re: #429 b_sharp

Well I think after being nailed up to a cross by the Romans, he has a right to sue.

436 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:57:19am

re: #430 Vicious Babushka

Well, weirdly, he's right. Bestiality has always been a legally-contested issue. There are states where it's not illegal, and there are weirder states where it's illegal only with certain animals.

I think it should be illegal because for chrissakes the poor animals, holy cow. But not because it's 'wrong'. A guy screwing a pile of dirt is wrong too but I don't see much point in criminalizing that.

437 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:57:40am

re: #435 dragonath

Well I think after being nailed up to a cross by the Romans, he has a right to sue.

Hey, it was in his job description.

438 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:58:16am

re: #436 Obdicut

Well, weirdly, he's right. Bestiality has always been a legally-contested issue. There are states where it's not illegal, and there are weirder states where it's illegal only with certain animals.

I think it should be illegal because for chrissakes the poor animals, holy cow. But not because it's 'wrong'. A guy screwing a pile of dirt is wrong too but I don't see much point in criminalizing that.

I thought sex with animals is prohibited in secular law because animals can't be consenting partners.

439 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:58:18am

re: #436 Obdicut

I think it should be illegal because for chrissakes the poor animals, holy cow. But not because it's 'wrong'. A guy screwing a pile of dirt is wrong too but I don't see much point in criminalizing that.

It would be a slippery slope.

440 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:58:57am

That was so tee'd up for me I had to swing hard.

441 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:01:12am

Justice Scalia already compared homosexuality to bestiality.

442 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:02:44am

re: #438 Vicious Babushka

I thought sex with animals is prohibited in secular law because animals can't be consenting partners.

Animals can't consent to being shot in the face either, but we let people do that. It is my impression-- and this comes from random semi-drunk talk from a Law-Talking-Guy friend-- that bestiality laws in the US are either based on morality or on the harm to the animal, not on issue of consent.

443 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:02:51am

re: #441 Gus

Justice Scalia already compared homosexuality to bestiality.

I believe it was a certain ex-Senator making similar comparisons that earned "Santorum" his new definition...

444 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:03:22am

I see that Lansing has overtaken Benghazi as the focal point of wingnut poutrage.

445 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:03:52am

re: #444 Vicious Babushka

I see that Lansing has overtaken Benghazi as the focal point of wingnut poutrage.

Yep.

446 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:04:58am

re: #444 Vicious Babushka

I see that Lansing has overtaken Benghazi as the focal point of wingnut poutrage.

It's a lot closer to home and they have better footage.

Unions = thugs.


Just the message they want to get across to us as more RTW legislation get sent up for votes across the country.

447 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:06:17am

re: #444 Vicious Babushka

I see that Lansing has overtaken Benghazi as the focal point of wingnut poutrage.

LansinghaziGate!!

448 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:07:03am

re: #444 Vicious Babushka

I see that Lansing has overtaken Benghazi as the focal point of wingnut poutrage.

Those vicious union thugs! Look what they did to that poor tent! And Crowder chipped a tooth! OUTRAGE!!!!

449 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:08:18am

WTF!

450 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:09:26am

re: #449 Vicious Babushka

WTF!

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Unions killed Hostess? They held a gun to the management's heads and made them take those bonuses?

451 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:09:49am

re: #449 Vicious Babushka

WTF!

Unions killed Detroit, killed Hostess, and they're about to kill the NHL.

Unions killed my tomato plants!

Oh, wait... that was Winter...

452 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:10:44am

re: #451 makeitstop

Unions killed my tomato plants!

Oh, wait... that was Winter...

They turned me into a newt!!

453 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:11:16am

re: #449 Vicious Babushka

WTF!

[Embedded content]

He's talking out of his ass.

454 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:11:20am

re: #447 makeitstop

LansinghaziGate!!

Hot Dog Gate. The condiments were worse for the crime.

455 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:13:40am

re: #447 makeitstop

LansinghaziGate!!

Well, at least it will give KT something else to pretend he's concerned about.

456 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:16:02am

re: #449 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Hostess was killed by hedge fund managers who had no clue how to run company or deal with high material costs (you know, like sugar), and instead had no problem forcing concessions on unions that had already given wage concessions all while taking bonuses for doing such a wonderful job.

NHL owners aren't blameless in their mess.

Unions take a lot of flak for Detroit's woes, but the management at the automakers isn't blameless either. Takes two to tango.

457 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:21:20am

re: #452 Targetpractice

They turned me into a newt!!

Get better.

458 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:22:05am

re: #430 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

WTF!

[Embedded content]

Doesn't Fischer have anything better to do with his time?

Feed the poor? Minister to the sick? Stain some windows? Plant some palm trees? Poke holes in his hands and feet?

459 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:25:28am

People are supposed to work for the sake of working, regardless of how much they earn.

The rich are rich because they are morally superior to us.

Why do you have trouble understanding how God wants us to run the economy?

/

460 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:33:59am

re: #458 BongCrodny

Doesn't Fischer have anything better to do with his time?

Feed the poor? Minister to the sick? Stain some windows? Plant some palm trees? Poke holes in his hands and feet?

Bitching on Twitter pays better, from the look of it.

461 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:34:50am

re: #449 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Bryan Fischer just killed 3,497,881,091,274 brain cells with that Tweet.

462 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:37:03am

re: #461 Kronocide

Bryan Fischer just killed 3,497,881,091,274 brain cells with that Tweet.

But they were gay brain cells, so it's okay.

463 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:43:46am

re: #449 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Unions killed Detroit, killed Hostess, and they're about to kill the NHL.

Over the last 40 years there has been a GOP governor 70% of the time in Michigan. Oops

464 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:48:19am

Unions did not kill Detroit or Hostess. They could have kept them afloat a bit longer by accepting more concessions, but that would've been like falling on their swords for the mistakes of ther generals.

Where have our Roman virtues gone?

465 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:37:37am

re: #442 Obdicut

Animals can't consent to being shot in the face either, but we let people do that. It is my impression-- and this comes from random semi-drunk talk from a Law-Talking-Guy friend-- that bestiality laws in the US are either based on morality or on the harm to the animal, not on issue of consent.

It's just wrong to rape an animal before eating it.


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Randall Gross
Software Upgrades Re-Create Old-School Toys as Smart Playthings
The internet of things includes toys. Balls. Dolls. Race cars. So dull. How can good old-fashioned toys like these compete for children's attention when the kids seem umbilically connected to their iPads? How about software-upgradable balls, dolls and race cars? ...

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Rightwingconspirator
Story Of LA
"Yeah kinda walked into that one"

10 hours, 11 minutes ago
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FemNaziBitch
‘God Loves Women Who Have Abortions’: The Religious Abortion Advocates That History Forgot
The New York legislature had just failed to pass an incremental reform to the state's strict anti-abortion law, leaving the status quo in place. At that time, deaths resulting from illegal abortions accounted for 42 percent of New York ...

4 days, 23 hours ago
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Lumberhead
A History of Thugs
Civilization is imperiled. Demonic dark-skinned criminals exult in seizing property and security. Only a vanguard of brave uniformed officers can take them off the streets and restore order. It is 1835, and whites are finally confronting what Mark Twain ...

1 week, 4 days ago
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Romantic Heretic
It’s Beginning To Feel A Lot Like Christmas
As always, Fairytale of New York makes me realize what time of the year it is.

1 week, 5 days ago
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Dark_Falcon
The College Rape Overcorrection
This is the article I promised to post this morning. The quoted passage is from the second section, "2. An Overcorrection". We are told that one of the most dangerous places for a young woman in America today is a ...

1 week, 5 days ago
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cinesimon
Charles Barkley and the Plague of ‘Unintelligent’ Blacks
theatlantic.com

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 Frank says:

There are fourty people in this world, and five of them are hamburgers.