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1 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:03:54am

What is the hook for, weights?

2 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:07:53am

If I didn't already have a nice tripod, I'd so snap that up.

3 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:09:48am

I have a tripod but I don't use it much because it requires that I remove my pants, and in the winter that can be a small problem.

4 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:11:19am

re: #3 b_sharp

I have a tripod but I don't use it much because it requires that I remove my pants, and in the winter that can be a small problem.

One leg refuses to extend during cold weather?

5 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:12:23am

re: #4 Targetpractice

One leg refuses to extend during cold weather?

Yah, it tends to cramp up.

6 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:13:39am

Wish I could. I need a new tripod for the 5x7 camera I should be getting soon. Oh, well the old steel beast will have to continue to do the trick.

7 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:16:39am

re: #1 b_sharp

What is the hook for, weights?

Plumb Bob? Maybe weights.

8 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:18:57am

re: #2 makeitstop

Same deal here. I've got a nice Manfrotto tripod that is great for travel purposes - lightweight, and maxes out at 70 inches so I'm not bending over to compose all my shots. But if I didn't, then the 65 inch version is one to consider or this 68 inch version.

9 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:19:44am

re: #1 b_sharp

What is the hook for, weights?

[Link: lifehacker.com...]

10 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:19:56am

re: #1 b_sharp

Yup. To increase stability, especially in windy conditions. Reduce vibrations that way.

11 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:20:57am

re: #1 b_sharp

What is the hook for, weights?

Yep. For stability in winds or when you're putting heavier gear up top.

Kind of ironic, actually. You buy a lightweight tripod to quit carrying around the heavier one, then have to bring something heavy to make up for the lack of weight in the tripod. (btw, depending on where the hook's set and a few other things you can use your camera bag for the weight.

12 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:21:25am

re: #7 Gus

Sandbags to steady it. Or a plumb, if you are returning over days to time lapse or similar thing

13 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:25:40am

re: #12 Political Atheist

Sandbags to steady it. Or a plumb, if you are returning over days to time lapse or similar thing

Would be perfect for a plumb-bob.

14 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:26:49am

re: #12 Political Atheist

Do you ever use a weight at the end of the lens, the same way a sniper does?

15 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:27:51am

re: #11 kirkspencer

Yeah, it's the tradeoff that anyone who is doing nature/landscape photography has to figure out. Get better/sturdier equipment, but weighs more (and leads to leaving it behind when push comes to shove) or get lighter gear that is more prone to shakiness or more likely to get damaged over time.

Everyone has a different tolerance to lightweight gear, but tripods are someone you shouldn't really skimp on. Get someone that you're comfortable with (size does matter, especially if you're taller). You can get lighter gear with stability if you pay more.

And then, there's ease of use (quick connects, breaking down gear after use, etc.)

It's best to try 'em out in a store with a good selection before buying - to at least familiarize yourself with how they work and whether you'd be comfortable with use.

Some places will even let you rent gear.

In the NYC metro area, there are 3 places I'd recommend. Adorama and BH Photo in Manhattan, and Unique Photo in Fairfield, NJ. I've had good experiences buying gear from all 3.

16 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:34:00am

re: #15 lawhawk

As long as they don't also sell watches. //

17 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:36:17am

re: #13 Gus

Would be perfect for a plumb-bob.

Plumb Bob is my new stage name.

18 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:37:34am

re: #17 makeitstop

Plumb Bob is my new stage name.

Plumb Bob Jim and the Holy Fornicators

19 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:37:56am

re: #15 lawhawk

Yeah, it's the tradeoff that anyone who is doing nature/landscape photography has to figure out. Get better/sturdier equipment, but weighs more (and leads to leaving it behind when push comes to shove) or get lighter gear that is more prone to shakiness or more likely to get damaged over time.

Everyone has a different tolerance to lightweight gear, but tripods are someone you shouldn't really skimp on. Get someone that you're comfortable with (size does matter, especially if you're taller). You can get lighter gear with stability if you pay more.

And then, there's ease of use (quick connects, breaking down gear after use, etc.)

It's best to try 'em out in a store with a good selection before buying - to at least familiarize yourself with how they work and whether you'd be comfortable with use.

Some places will even let you rent gear.

In the NYC metro area, there are 3 places I'd recommend. Adorama and BH Photo in Manhattan, and Unique Photo in Fairfield, NJ. I've had good experiences buying gear from all 3.

nod.

One test I've seen when selecting lightweight tripods is to extend a leg, hook something that weighs 3-5 pounds on the end, grab the other end, and see how much it flexes when you wave it gently in the air. Ideally it doesn't.

Another option is to get a monopole that can double as a walking stick. Yes, it is harder to do landscapes or slow exposures. On the other hand it's useful instead of being a constant weight except in narrow circumstances - which tends to make it less frequently left behind.

20 Randall Gross  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:40:17am

re: #1 b_sharp

What is the hook for, weights?

The hook is for a sand bag or weights - with light carbon fiber tripods that's a must. Whenever there's more than a breeze you need the weights because carbon fiber flexes more than aluminum or steel & is more likely to "shiver" in a brisk wind.

21 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:43:54am

re: #15 lawhawk

In the NYC metro area, there are 3 places I'd recommend. Adorama and BH Photo in Manhattan, and Unique Photo in Fairfield, NJ. I've had good experiences buying gear from all 3.

My daughter is a senior account manager at B&H!

22 Randall Gross  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:44:37am

When I take my moon pictures I usually put a weight under the tripod even though it's aluminium, set the timer for 9 seconds before the shutter trips, lock up the DSLR mirror, and then I put a 2 lb sandbag across the top of the camera so that the shutter tripping causes less shake.

23 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:45:18am

re: #15 lawhawk

Everyone has a different tolerance to lightweight gear, but tripods are someone you shouldn't really skimp on. Get someone that you're comfortable with (size does matter, especially if you're taller).

...to carry everything for you.

24 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:49:13am

re: #23 wrenchwench

...to carry everything for you.

Interesting. I just noticed the "someone" thing. :D Myself, I prefer to have my servants carry my photo gear and then I instruct them on how to take the image. Sometimes I just screw in the camera to a camera mount I had surgically implanted to the tops of their heads.

//

25 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:50:19am

re: #14 Obdicut

No, if anything I use the shoulder rig to put the weight back to my chest. I thought the "weights" were for tuning the resonance of the bullet as it makes the barrel twist & move. More accurate that way. Less muzzle rise too.

26 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:52:45am

re: #18 Gus

Plumb Bob Jim and the Holy Fornicators Lookalike Jesus

Perfecto.

27 Randall Gross  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:55:08am

BTW: If you have a DSLR photographer in the family and don't have a mint to spend, here are some cheap stocking stuffers:

Hotshoe Level

Lens cleaning air blaster

Rainsleeve

Intervalometer for Time lapse freaks

Wireless Remote

28 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:55:41am

What a freaking putz. Where is your "Christian charity" Bryan? GFY.

29 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:56:31am
30 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:56:46am

re: #28 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

What a freaking putz. Where is your "Christian charity" Bryan? GFY.

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You're mistaken, he's all about Christian charity. Just so long as he gets to decide who's worthy of such charity and so long as he can use it as leverage to push them into "accepting" the faith.

31 Randall Gross  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:56:56am

re: #28 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Zerohedge is a wingnut fiscal kookspiracy site that also promotes some "pump and dumps".

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:57:03am

GOP is gonna shoot itself in the foot over Sandy relief aid, they forget taht a lot of Republicans were hit by it, too...

33 efuseakay  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:59:21am

re: #32 Sol Berdinowitz

GOP is gonna shoot itself in the foot over Sandy relief aid, they forget taht a lot of Republicans were hit by it, too...

They don't care. All that matters is that they can (try to) use this to hurt Obama!!!

(No sarc tags necessary)

34 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:00:59am

re: #31 Randall Gross

Zerohedge is a wingnut fiscal kookspiracy site that also promotes some "pump and dumps".

Yeah, whatever, I figure anything that Bryan links to in his Twitter feed must be at the same level as WND.

35 Mattand  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:01:09am

Great moments in damage control:

"First of all, I didn't help [Obama] win," Christie told Barbara Walters. "I was doing my job."

"The fact of the matter is President Obama won the election pretty comfortably… I was doing my job as I saw fit to do it. And I told the truth, like I always do. The president did step up and help tremendously in New Jersey."

When the two men flew in the president's helicopter Marine One to survey storm damage ahead of the election, Christie said he made his allegiance clear.

"I said, you know, I'm not voting for you," he told Walters. "And he said, 'I never thought you were.'"

Why the fuck would you say that to the guy who is about to give you hundreds of millions of dollars in disaster relief?

36 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:01:18am

re: #28 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

What a freaking putz. Where is your "Christian charity" Bryan? GFY.

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Yeah, because leaving infrastructure that was damaged by hurricane Sandy wouldn't be a money loser in NYC and NJ. Watching NJ tourist dollars taking a dive next summer if left in it's current state would also not lead to further loses incurred by the state of NJ. Yep. Winning.

37 Randall Gross  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:02:21am

Whoops, two more
Lenspen

lens caps

38 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:04:25am

It's because Sandy didn't hit the Bible Belt. Had this been about a natural disaster in a red state with lots of Christians, ol' Fischer wouldn't say a peep.

39 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:04:47am

re: #35 Mattand

Great moments in damage control:

Why the fuck would you say that to the guy who is about to give you hundreds of millions of dollars in disaster relief?

He's got a big mouth. But yeah stupid thing to say to someone helping you and your state out. He's still better than his rwnj detractors though. I know not saying much.

40 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:06:49am

re: #38 Gus

It's because Sandy didn't hit the Bible Belt. Had this been about a natural disaster in a red state with lots of Christians, ol' Fischer wouldn't say a peep.

He'd be blasting Obama for not doing more. This guy combines the worst traditions of "Fuck you I got mine" conservatism and "We know what's best for you" conservatism. He's worse than Falwell and Robertson. A hard task but he succeeds every time he gets on his twitter account.

41 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:07:15am

re: #36 Gus

Yeah, because leaving infrastructure that was damaged by hurricane Sandy wouldn't be a money loser in NYC and NJ. Watching NJ tourist dollars taking a dive next summer if left in it's current state would also not lead to further loses incurred by the state of NJ. Yep. Winning.

Remember that the core problem is that every time the government shows itself as competent and necessary it shatters the whole Norquist et al argument. Fischer is a Norquist disciple, not a disciple of Christ.

42 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:08:06am

re: #35 Mattand

Great moments in damage control:

Why the fuck would you say that to the guy who is about to give you hundreds of millions of dollars in disaster relief?

Because Obama is a President first and a politician second, he was also doing his job as he saw fit. WTF is wrong with people who cannot see past their ideology to help people in need?

43 Mattand  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:08:23am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

He's got a big mouth. But yeah stupid thing to say to someone helping you and your state out. He's still better than his rwnj detractors though. I know not saying much.

Perfect example of what makes Obama such a great president. He doesn't let that shit get to him.

I wonder what his secret is?

44 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:09:07am
45 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:12:14am
46 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:12:56am

re: #43 Mattand

Perfect example of what makes Obama such a great president. He doesn't let that shit get to him.

I wonder what his secret is?

Yeah, he's earned that no drama Obama nickname. My favorite example of how cool the president is how he was joking around during the White House Correspondents Dinner while at the same time behind the scenes monitoring the Bin Laden mission. I think that's why while I value experience in a leader, I do look at personality as well and I think Obama "has it" in a way that neither of his opponents did.

47 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:13:05am

re: #45 Gus

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10 percent.

... Svoboda's platform aims for nothing less than a "social and national revolution" in Ukraine. Associations with "National Socialism," therefore, are no accident. The party was formerly known as the "Social-National Party of Ukraine."

Yet in 2004, the party and its leader, Oleg Tiahnibok, were expelled from a political union with Nascha Ukraina, or "Our Ukraine." Grounds for the expulsion was a speech Tiahnibok gave that was both anti-Semitic and anti-immigrant, causing an uproar in Ukraine.

Tiahnibok sought a fresh start under the name "Svoboda." Naming the group "Freedom" was in vogue among right-wing radical groups throughout Europe at that time - due largely to the success of the Freedom Party of Austria. After the party's rechristening, Svoboda removed all symbols of National Socialism, including those used by Nazi military SS "death squad" groups....

48 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:14:07am

re: #44 Gus

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I don't get that. Does that mean he expired on re-entry? Then he didn't survive the flight. What does that mean "Lost on Return" they couldn't find him when they opened the space capsule? Like he was hiding in one of the wiring panels or something?

49 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:14:38am

re: #45 Gus

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That 1999 photo could be out of Nuremberg. Seems like right wing nationalism is on the rise big time in the former Eastern bloc. Hungary's got a prominent party like this too.

50 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:16:06am

It's amazing really to see Neo-Nazism rise in ethnic groups who Hitler wanted to exterminate. We all know about the Nazis' hatred of the Jews and know of to a lesser extent to that of the Roma but the hatred of the Slavs by the Nazis seems to be something little known.

51 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:16:08am

re: #48 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I don't get that. Does that mean he expired on re-entry? Then he didn't survive the flight. What does that mean "Lost on Return" they couldn't find him when they opened the space capsule? Like he was hiding in one of the wiring panels or something?

Gordo

...In total the flight lasted 15 minutes, of which Gordo was weightless for 8.3 minutes, as the craft exited and re-entered Earth's atmosphere at a speed of over 10,000 miles per hour. The failure of Gordo's parachute meant that both he and the capsule were lost, despite efforts to recover them. It is believed that Gordo was alive at the time of impact...

Poor Gordo. He deserves a small monument. :)

52 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:16:45am

re: #51 Gus

Gordo

Poor Gordo. He deserves a small monument. :)

I haz a sad. :(

53 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:17:27am

re: #48 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I don't get that. Does that mean he expired on re-entry? Then he didn't survive the flight. What does that mean "Lost on Return" they couldn't find him when they opened the space capsule? Like he was hiding in one of the wiring panels or something?

He was alive (according to telemetry) until the capsule was lost. The capsule was lost when the final parachute failed to open and it all plunged into the south Atlantic. All telemetry stopped at that point. The remains (capsule or Gordo) were never found.

54 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:17:50am

I'm watching a replay of last night's concert. Currently Kanye is up.

People were upset with the skirt he's wearing? Those people need to get a life.

55 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:18:46am

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

56 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:19:06am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

That 1999 photo could be out of Nuremberg. Seems like right wing nationalism is on the rise big time in the former Eastern bloc. Hungary's got a prominent party like this too.

Another quickly "re-branded" European Nazi party. It's a continuing trend and they're getting representation in national parliaments.

57 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:19:37am

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

Yup.

Those who forget their pants are doomed to freeze it.

59 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:20:24am

re: #57 b_sharp

Yup.

Those who forget their pants are doomed to freeze it.

Question. Being that you're from Canada. Has anyone actually ever frozen their balls off?

//

60 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:20:56am

re: #37 Randall Gross

There's photojojo, where they've got all kinds of stuff for the photo geeks - friends got me a coffee mug that's shaped like a Canon lens.

61 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:21:15am

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

If the memories aren't visceral they lose immediacy making rationalization too easy.

62 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:21:45am

re: #59 Gus

Question. Being that you're from Canada. Has anyone actually ever frozen their balls off?

//

Also, how do you cope with the top of your heads not being connected to the bottom?
/

63 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:22:20am

re: #62 Varek Raith

Also, how do you cope with the top of your heads not being connected to the bottom?
/

The Straight Dope: Is it possible to freeze your cojones off?

64 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:22:27am

re: #35 Mattand

Because Christie knew that he was getting flak from working with President Obama, and wanted to have it on the record.

65 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:22:44am

re: #58 Varek Raith

Virginia GOP Official Calls Union Members ‘Terrorists’

Lovely. Of course, our lovely state GOP flips its shit whenever there's someone in state politics that doesn't think RtW is good policy.

66 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:23:13am

re: #59 Gus

Question. Being that you're from Canada. Has anyone actually ever frozen their balls off?

//

A few brass monkeys.

We had a young girl freeze her leg off, had a friend freeze his toe off, and many have frozen fingers off, but we protect our balls under thick layers of protection.

67 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:23:37am

re: #47 Gus

10 percent.

A lot of political and historal nuance here: there was a strong anti-Communist movement in the Ukraine, which sided with the Nazis at the start of WWII and was brutally repressed afterwards, but their ideology still managed to survive underground and has always maintained a link between independence from Russia and fasicsm. That is the backbone of a lot of the right-wing parites like the Jobbiks in Hungary.

68 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:24:34am

re: #62 Varek Raith

Also, how do you cope with the top of your heads not being connected to the bottom?
/

Super magnets and invisible hinges.

69 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:25:39am

re: #61 b_sharp

If the memories aren't visceral they lose immediacy making rationalization too easy.

Which is why it's important to not merely teach history but make it relatable. I remember when we learned about the Holocaust when I was in 8th grade. We were assigned a random child. I still remember some details about her. Her father was a WWI veteran. And the family was later relocated to Riga in Latvia where she was presumably gassed to death during the liguidation of said ghetto. History needs to be more than just raw numbers and data but human faces and stores.

70 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:26:36am

re: #63 Gus

The Straight Dope: Is it possible to freeze your cojones off?

I think balls would just retreat.

71 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:28:41am

re: #70 b_sharp

I think balls would just retreat.

You go test that theory out.
/

72 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:29:18am

Hmmm... how to address Fischer's inane statements about not being able to afford the reconstruction efforts in NY/NJ.

Let's see.
1) Debt ceiling is artificial construct and can be raised by Congress and the President with no trouble.

2) Cut defense spending - say on the F-22 or F-35 program by an equivalent amount.

3) Tax stupidity. We'd generate billions with the greatest ease. Extra surcharge for derpocity.

And the costs of not rebuilding are even greater. But let's just ignore that next time there's a natural disaster in Fischer's neck of the woods. I'm sure he'll be first in line for assistance - and at the head of the line when the government can't respond quickly enough because it doesn't have the funds to make that work because his fellow economic nitwits have cut those programs to the bone.

73 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:29:39am

re: #58 Varek Raith

Virginia GOP Official Calls Union Members ‘Terrorists’

all part of the plan: from thug to terrorist...

74 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:29:40am

re: #70 b_sharp

They're advancing in a different direction. /

75 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:30:27am

Republican lawmaker’s proposal exempted husband from Michigan ‘right to work’ law

State Rep. Lisa Posthumus Lyons (R) on Monday offered an amendment that would have added corrections officers like her husband, Brad, to the list of types of jobs not covered by the anti-union law. Police and firefighters had already been exempted from the legislation.

“When we talk about the brave women in police and fire we need to remember people in corrections,” Lyon explained earlier this week, according to MLive.com. “These guys work in conditions that we can’t even begin to imagine.”

“It’s not financial. It’s philosophy. I am saying we need to treat our corrections officers that way we treat our police men and women and firefighter men and women.”

Democrats, however, claimed that the proposal was an example of Republican hypocrisy.

“Why would she want to exempt her husband if this is such a great bill?” state House Democratic Caucus spokesperson Katie Carey asked. “We were kind of disgusted with it… We were just kind of disappointed that she would offer this amendment at the same time lauding this legislation.”

76 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:32:50am

re: #73 Sol Berdinowitz

all part of the plan: from thug to terrorist...

With "Guy Fawkes-Like Devil Masks!"

77 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:32:55am

re: #58 Varek Raith

Virginia GOP Official Calls Union Members ‘Terrorists’

Pretty rich from a guy whose party is holding this country's economy hostage in order to extort further blood sacrifices from the poor and elderly.

78 Jolo5309  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:33:22am

re: #70 b_sharp

I think balls would just retreat.

Peter Griffin tried that.

80 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:34:39am

re: #75 Kragar

Republican lawmaker’s proposal exempted husband from Michigan ‘right to work’ law

It is hypocrisy and it's also Republicans knowing that they'd have a huge backlash on their hands if they tried to eliminate organizing rights for cops, firefighters, and in this case correctional officers. But those damn teachers, it's easy to scapegoat them. It's the Republican way.

81 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:35:25am

re: #74 lawhawk

They're advancing in a different direction. /

Exercising the better part of valour.

82 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:35:51am
83 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:40:36am

Norquist: Obama might ‘blow up small countries’ for fun

Anti-tax lobbyist Grover Norquist says that President Barack Obama will have to “blow up small countries” because Republicans will not let him have “any fun at all” spending taxpayers’ money.

“Obama will be on a very short leash, fiscally speaking, over the next four years,” Norquist told C-SPAN on Thursday. “He’s not gonna have any fun at all.”

“He may decide to go blow up small countries he can’t pronounce because it won’t be any fun to be here, because he won’t be able to spend the kind of cash he was hoping to.”

I can see why the GOP would worry about this. They don't want Obama to intrude on a traditional GOP activity.
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84 TedStriker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:41:47am

re: #83 Kragar

Norquist: Obama might ‘blow up small countries’ for fun

I can see why the GOP would worry about this. They don't want Obama to intrude on a traditional GOP activity.
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That's what I was thinking...they're projecting what they would do.

85 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:42:14am

I can deal with any sort of reaonsed criticism of Obama and his policies, but there is something sick about the culture of a party that seems to think that saying anything bad about Obama, no matter how unfounded, is good policy and worth repeating...

86 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:42:39am

re: #82 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

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When does Obama's 'reign' end, 2016? Where does all the future spending past that point come from?

87 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:43:25am

re: #86 b_sharp

When does Obama's 'reign' end, 2016? Where does all the future spending past that point come from?

Magic Unicorn farts.

88 efuseakay  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:43:37am

re: #35 Mattand

Great moments in damage control:

Why the fuck would you say that to the guy who is about to give you hundreds of millions of dollars in disaster relief?

They were both doing their jobs, putting politics aside. Christie was just being honest about who he was voting for. No big deal.

89 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:44:40am

re: #88 efuseakay

They were both doing their jobs, putting politics aside. Christie was just being honest about who he was voting for. No big deal.

What is wrong with people who cannot put their politics aside long enough to do their job, especially when that job involves helping people in immediate, often desperate need?

90 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:44:41am

re: #82 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

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um. According to the small print the numbers are from the OMB, CBO, and HBC. I think I get the first two, but the HBC?

I also strongly suspect that chart has a few errors, but again without sources who can tell? I do know that the numbers from the OMB don't justify it.

91 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:45:42am

re: #83 Kragar

Norquist: Obama might ‘blow up small countries’ for fun

I can see why the GOP would worry about this. They don't want Obama to intrude on a traditional GOP activity.
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You mean like Bush?

92 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:45:45am

re: #82 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

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Is the model for future spending any better than the models of climate? If not, and since they reject climate models, why would they accept this?

93 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:46:00am

"You mean" as in Norquist means.

94 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:46:55am

re: #90 kirkspencer

um. According to the small print the numbers are from the OMB, CBO, and HBC. I think I get the first two, but the HBC?

I also strongly suspect that chart has a few errors, but again without sources who can tell? I do know that the numbers from the OMB don't justify it.

Hudson Bay Company?

95 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:47:00am

re: #92 b_sharp

Is the model for future spending any better than the models of climate? If not, and since they reject climate models, why would they accept this?

was it by any chance put out by the same people who did the October jobs numbers?

96 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:47:15am

Oh hell...

It's Friday the 13th!

97 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:47:15am

re: #63 Gus

The Straight Dope: Is it possible to freeze your cojones off?

"accidental cryoorchiectomy"

A great phrase, but probably not a good name for a rock band.

98 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:47:35am

re: #96 Gus

Oh hell...

It's Friday the 13th!

Its Thursday.

99 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:47:50am

re: #96 Gus

Oh hell...

It's Friday the 13th!

My black cat died.

100 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:48:04am

re: #98 Kragar

Its Thursday.

Oh. Oops. Sorry, my brain skipped. :O

101 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:48:11am

re: #98 Kragar

Its Thursday.

Close enough.

102 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:48:33am

re: #100 Gus

Oh. Oops. Sorry, my brain skipped. :O

Was that the pop I heard?

103 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:48:55am

Pacific Rim - Trailer 1

104 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:49:05am

re: #101 b_sharp

Close enough.

Yep, it's Friday in Australia. ;)

105 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:49:13am

re: #83 Kragar

Norquist: Obama might ‘blow up small countries’ for fun

I can see why the GOP would worry about this. They don't want Obama to intrude on a traditional GOP activity.
///

Note to GOP voters, this is the guy your elected officials cower in fear around. This unhinged nutcase.

106 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:49:55am

re: #103 Kragar

Pacific Rim - Trailer 1

[Embedded content]

Saw that yesterday. Giant robots, giant monsters, and GLaDOS. My geek senses are tingling.

107 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:50:28am

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Note to GOP voters, this is the guy your elected officials cower in fear around. This unhinged nutcase.

two things that still amaze me: how many votes Romney got, and how much influence GN exerts on the GOP

108 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:51:14am

re: #83 Kragar

Norquist: Obama might ‘blow up small countries’ for fun

I can see why the GOP would worry about this. They don't want Obama to intrude on a traditional GOP activity.
///

Self-fulfilling prophecy, in light of the situation in Syria. Obama does nothing, Republicans accuse him of not taking situation seriously and responsible for rebel failure. Obama orders intervention, Republicans accuse him of distracting nation from fiscal problems, declare he's "wagging the dog."

109 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:52:09am

re: #98 Kragar

Its Thursday.

Don't bother. He's on a roll.

110 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:52:42am

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Note to GOP voters, this is the guy your elected officials cower in fear around. This unhinged nutcase.

So if a state secedes would it qualify to be small enough to justify Obama blowing it up?

(And I'm sure Varek would be green with jealousy when he did.)

111 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:52:42am

re: #107 Sol Berdinowitz

two things that still amaze me: how many votes Romney got, and how much influence GN exerts on the GOP

The former doesn't but the latter does.

112 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:53:59am

re: #86 b_sharp

When does Obama's 'reign' end, 2016? Where does all the future spending past that point come from?

The fact that he hasn't spent that money yet is proof positive he's going to.

/Wayne LaPierre logic

113 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:53:59am

re: #103 Kragar

Pacific Rim - Trailer 1

[Embedded content]

F-22s have 60 caliber machine guns?

//

114 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:54:34am

re: #86 b_sharp

When does Obama's 'reign' end, 2016? Where does all the future spending past that point come from?

Obama will change change the constitution and make himself PRESIDENT FOR LIFE!1!1ty

115 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:55:23am

re: #96 Gus

Oh hell...

It's Friday the 13th!

Today's Thursday, isn't it?

Or did I miss a day somehow?

116 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:55:34am

Steve King: I Don’t Know What Happened In Benghazi But It’s Worse Than Watergate

Rep. Steve King (R-IA) has no idea what happened in Benghazi but he does know that it’s worse than Watergate and the Iran-Contra scandal times 10. Here’s King from a Washington Times article published on Wednesday:

“I believe that it’s a lot bigger than Watergate, and if you link Watergate and Iran-Contra together and multiply it times maybe 10 or so, you’re going to get in the zone where Benghazi is,” Mr. King said. “I don’t think the public has any idea, and I tell you, I don’t either, of the chronology of the events — what took place, and who was where doing what and why. And all the way down through — we still haven’t seen an autopsy report on the ambassador yet. Simple questions that you would ask in the first 24 hours have not been asked yet.”

I don't know what happened to Steve King in college, but I'm sure there is a dead hooker in there somewhere. I don't have any idea of what actually went down, but the questions need to be asked.
///

117 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:55:46am

re: #115 makeitstop

Today's Thursday, isn't it?

Or did I miss a day somehow?

I hope not. Or else my boss is gonna be so pissed at me.

118 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:57:28am

re: #115 makeitstop

Today's Thursday, isn't it?

Or did I miss a day somehow?

Thursday went missing yesterday. The normal universal Thursday rebuild has a bug in the memory insertion routines so they're doing an upgrade. We get two Thursdays next week.

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:57:39am

re: #116 Kragar

Steve King: I Don’t Know What Happened In Benghazi But It’s Worse Than Watergate

I don't know what happened to Steven King in college, but I'm sure there is a dead hooker in their somewhere. I don't have any idea of what actually went down, but the questions need to be asked.
///

I would say that it was "Aqua Buddha" times ten...

120 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:58:15am

re: #118 b_sharp

Thursday went missing yesterday. The normal universal Thursday rebuild has a bug in the memory insertion routines so they're doing an upgrade. We get two Thursdays next week.

So there was a glitch in the Matrix?

121 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:58:51am

Billy Joel, Peter Gabriel and I look more alike every year.

122 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:59:04am

re: #116 Kragar

Steve King: I Don’t Know What Happened In Benghazi But It’s Worse Than Watergate

Steve King, you are so dumb. You are really, really dumb. Fo' real.

123 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:59:09am
124 Cinnabar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:59:28am

re: #83 Kragar

Norquist: Obama might ‘blow up small countries’ for fun

Anti-tax lobbyist Grover Norquist says that President Barack Obama will have to “blow up small countries” because Republicans will not let him have “any fun at all” spending taxpayers’ money.

“Obama will be on a very short leash, fiscally speaking, over the next four years,” Norquist told C-SPAN on Thursday. “He’s not gonna have any fun at all.”

“He may decide to go blow up small countries he can’t pronounce because it won’t be any fun to be here, because he won’t be able to spend the kind of cash he was hoping to.”

I can see why the GOP would worry about this. They don't want Obama to intrude on a traditional GOP activity.
///

The set of small countries Obama can't pronounce is empty.

125 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:59:33am

re: #119 Sol Berdinowitz

I would say that it was "Aqua Buddha" times ten...

126 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:59:56am

re: #123 Gus

[Embedded content]

It'll be added to the next defense appropriation, line item "Technological Terror."

127 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:59:56am

re: #118 b_sharp

Thursday went missing yesterday. The normal universal Thursday rebuild has a bug in the memory insertion routines so they're doing an upgrade. We get two Thursdays next week.

It was that damn concert. /

128 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:00:26am

re: #120 Targetpractice

So there was a glitch in the Matrix?

They wanted to market it as a feature but the God coalition voted against it.

129 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:01:10am

re: #126 Targetpractice

It'll be added to the next defense appropriation, line item "Technological Terror."

Once again, Obama shows his disdain for hokey religions.

130 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:01:26am

Well, blowing up small countries represents a de facto blank check to a patriotic Congress, right? Isn't that how this works?

131 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:02:30am

re: #130 erik_t

Well, blowing up small countries represents a de facto blank check to a patriotic Congress, right? Isn't that how this works?

Only if:
Non-white
Non-Christian
Potential source of natural resources

132 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:02:42am

re: #130 erik_t

Well, blowing up small countries represents a de facto blank check to a patriotic Congress, right? Isn't that how this works?

Yeah, Norquist forgets that the infamous Balanced Budget Amendment that the GOP was having wet dreams about last year includes a "War Time Clause" that basically allows Congress to run up the national credit card as it likes by just declaring war.

133 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:02:50am

re: #129 Kragar

Or health care policy - we need to wipe out midichlorian infections as a scourge or else there will be countless lives lost in the future. Think of the children.

134 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:03:53am

re: #131 Kragar

Only if:
Non-white
Non-Christian
Potential source of natural resources

Or if they have even the vaguest tinges of respect for the godless Commies.

135 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:04:41am

re: #133 lawhawk

Or health care policy - we need to wipe out midichlorian infections as a scourge or else there will be countless lives lost in the future. Think of the children.

Ancient religion or bacterial infection?

Thanks for that again, George.

136 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:06:42am

re: #43 Mattand

Perfect example of what makes Obama such a great president. He doesn't let that shit get to him.

I wonder what his secret is?

Image: wdzXF.jpg

137 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:07:12am

I have a big tripod and an ok little one. I'd like to try the Gorilla, but I"m not sure it is really stable. Is it?

What I really need to invest in is a sandbag to use in tandem with the time-set exposure. I only have a Sony Cybershot (point and shoot) and until I can justify a better camera, I'm working really hard on just taking a basically good shot.

I find proping the camera on a firm base (when the tripod is not practical) and usig the timer is a big help. I can see the benefit of a sandbag making things even better.

138 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:09:11am

Amazing.

139 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:10:16am

Radio Host Stumps Michigan Governor By Asking How Union-Busting Will Help His State’s Economy

SNYDER: This is about more and better jobs coming to Michigan. If you look at Indiana, they did similar legislation in February. And literally, thousands of new jobs are coming to Indiana where this was a major consideration in companies’ decision to move to that state.

HOBSON: Are you saying then that companies decided to go to Indiana, for example, because there’s less union membership in Indiana?

SNYDER: No, and I don’t want to speak for the companies but it is very clear that companies are looking at Indiana that previously did not. [...]

HOBSON: Well, make that connection though. You’re saying that, by not requiring workers to pay union dues, that therefore companies are going to be more attracted to the state. Why would that be?

SNYDER: Well, that’s a question for the companies but there is a strong sense, and companies do look at that. That’s something we’ve suffered here.[...]

HOBSON: Union membership has fallen dramatically in Michigan and across the country and it’s not as though that has translated into some boom in employment. I see the point you’re making, but it hasn’t been borne out in the evidence, has it?

SNYDER: Well, it’s been borne out in the Indiana case.

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:10:55am

re: #138 Gus

Amazing.

[Embedded content]

knee. jerk. repeat,

141 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:10:55am

re: #138 Gus

Amazing.

I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS BUT I HATE HIM BECAUSE HE PROBABLY HATES AMERICA

142 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:11:10am

How is everyone this day?

I got a great night's sleep for once and don't feel like carp.

I finished The Big Rich. The author does a good job of explaining the history of Texas Oil money and how it has affected the entire world. I think he is fair and balanced, but the ultra-conservative may not.

He does focus on the big Four, and gives credit to the non-greedy, gamblers who were players as well.

Overall, reading the book did not raise my opinion of Texas, but I have a much better understanding why letting them secede won't solve anything.

143 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:12:05am

re: #139 Kragar

Radio Host Stumps Michigan Governor By Asking How Union-Busting Will Help His State’s Economy

Does he have any stats to back up his ideological posturing?

144 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:13:41am

Oil Covered Pundits: Media Fails To Disclose Guests’ Industry Affiliation 94 Percent Of The Time

Major news companies have been giving a platform for fossil fuel-backed “experts” to pen arguments against clean energy without disclosing the author’s connections to the industry, a new study from the Checks and Balances project finds.

Across sixty major news outlets, in the course of five years, the group found that major publications only disclosed oil industry ties six percent of the time, even when the authors represented organizations that receive hundreds of thousands — sometimes millions — of dollars from oil big wigs like the Koch Brothers and ExxonMobil.

Often times, papers identified the authors by other terms, including “conservative” or “libertarian,” but without any disclosure of the funders:

145 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:13:56am

re: #143 Sol Berdinowitz

Does he have any stats to back up his ideological posturing?

The deposit slips for contributions to his reelection campaign committee.

146 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:14:16am

re: #143 Sol Berdinowitz

Does he have any stats to back up his ideological posturing?

I'm guessing it just "feels right" to him.

147 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:14:17am

re: #141 erik_t

Chuck Hagel rumored for Defense Secretary
Former Republican Senator meets with Obama, Biden

148 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:16:33am

re: #143 Sol Berdinowitz

Does he have any stats to back up his ideological posturing?

'course not, he's been selling this BS, but nobody's buying. I keep wondering when he's going to name the companies who are running to Indiana in the wake of it going RtW who might now be tempted to bypass it for Michigan.

149 Cinnabar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:17:56am

re: #142 Holidays are Family Fun Time

How is everyone this day?

I got a great night's sleep for once and don't feel like carp.

I recommend the salmon.

150 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:19:05am

Apple iPhone Found To Have Infringed On 3 Patents Of MobileMedia

Apple Inc. (AAPL) lost an infringement case brought by patent-licensing firm MobileMedia Ideas LLC when a federal jury decided the maker of the iPhone misappropriated protected technology for the handheld devices.

Jurors in Wilmington, Delaware, deliberated about four hours after a weeklong trial before also concluding today that the three patents aren’t invalid.

“We’re very pleased,” MobileMedia Chief Executive Officer Larry Horn said in a courtroom interview after the trial. “We think it’s justified.”

151 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:20:22am

re: #147 Gus

We are going to see pretzel like mental gyrations the RWNJ fools will have to go through to oppose a republican appointment. Delicious irony.

152 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:22:19am

Another installment in Great Fark Headlines:

Energy Department puts $27M into new offshore wind projects. Fox News to report that it'll cost $27T and sacrifice children for the liberal Wind God. TURBINES FOR THE WIND GOD

Only surpassed by one of the posts:

Turbines for the Wind God! Panels for the Solar Throne!

/Khorne worshipping hippies are strange

153 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:24:09am

re: #151 Political Atheist

We are going to see pretzel like mental gyrations the RWNJ fools will have to go through to oppose a republican appointment. Delicious irony.

I don't recall Petraeus's confirmation hearing being contentious

154 dragonfire1981  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:27:16am

re: #59 Gus

Question. Being that you're from Canada. Has anyone actually ever frozen their balls off?

//

Hey we use hockey pucks up here, eh?

155 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:27:22am

re: #153 sattv4u2

I don't recall Petraeus's confirmation hearing being contentious

they had not doubled down on the obstructionism at that point.

156 dragonfire1981  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:27:49am

re: #138 Gus

Amazing.

[Embedded content]

Release the hounds!!

157 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:27:55am

re: #152 Targetpractice

Another installment in Great Fark Headlines:

Only surpassed by one of the posts:

SARC FOR THE SARC GOD! SNARK FOR THE SNARK THRONE!

158 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:30:06am

Though personally I prefer Nurgle to Khorne on the game table.

159 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:30:11am

re: #155 Sol Berdinowitz

they had not doubled down on the obstructionism at that point.

And they won't go all (or even partially) in blocking "one of their own"

160 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:30:47am

BWAHAHAA!

161 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:31:25am

The Great Twinkie Scandal really get's me. It's the Union's Fault --yeah, yeah. Corporate 1%ers have been crying wolf long enough. Do they really think the average worker is that stupid?

The one's that scream the most against socialism are the ones that are going to be used as examples in it's favor. Idiots.

162 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:31:37am

re: #82 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

[Embedded content]

That chart can not be accurate. Flat revenues out through 2041?! Spending increasing even after the baby boomer bump fades away? Sourced OMB? I doubt that very much. Heritage has better charts than that. /////////

163 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:32:11am

re: #158 Kragar

Though personally I prefer Nurgle to Khorne on the game table.

It certainly is more fun to say. It just rolls off the tongue in the most pleasant way.

164 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:32:37am

re: #161 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I'd love to start making Twinkies, as per the original recipe. And sell them just at marijuana dispensaries. WIN!

165 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:33:15am

re: #164 Political Atheist

I'd love to start making Twinkies, as per the original recipe. And sell them just at marijuana dispensaries. WIN!

Now that's Capitalist thinking!!!!!

166 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:33:29am

Dkos: Barrett Brown Is Being Railroaded (Why You Should Care)

If this indictment stands and becomes precedent for law enforcement YOU will have less rights on the internet than you do in the physical world and should you post the wrong link in the wrong place, will be subject to arrest and up to 45 years imprisonment.

These are truly outrageous charges and I am forced to wonder if the people who were too dumb to get out of grand jury duty understood what the government was actually saying - that posting a link on the internet that may contain privileged information posted by a third party is a crime. That merely knowing someone's credit card number or other piece of privileged information and having a record of that knowledge is a crime. The Department of Defense often talks about the 21st century being defined by Information Warfare, if this indictment stands there will be a war on information itself.

And that's something YOU should care about.

167 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:34:13am

re: #160 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

BWAHAHAA!

[Embedded content]

Seriously? They may have just burned numerous bridges ramming through a bill that might get overturned in the courts?

It's like goldy or bronzy, only it's made of iron.

168 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:35:55am

re: #163 Holidays are Family Fun Time

It certainly is more fun to say. It just rolls off the tongue in the most pleasant way.

Yeah, even though Nurgle is much more jolly and festive.

169 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:37:20am

re: #168 Kragar

Yeah, even though Nurgle is much more jolly and festive.

I rhymed, you didn't! I win!

170 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:37:41am

re: #138 Gus

Amazing.

[Embedded content]

Well of course they attacked him. Obama might pick him.

fwiw, many in the RWNJ corps have other objections as well. One of the biggest has been that he's been known to say (paraphrasing) that Israel isn't always right; that we need to talk to the other side as well. He's spoken in favor of at least talking to Iran. Oh, and he's said the military isn't the only or even best solution to international affairs.

But his biggest flaw is that Obama is considering him. //

171 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:39:29am

re: #169 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I rhymed, you didn't! I win!

But I was keeping in the mood of the season, while you waged a war of omission against Christmas, making me the winner!

172 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:40:20am

re: #171 Kragar

But I was keeping in the mood of the season, while you waged a war of omission against Christmas, making me the winner!

I concede.

173 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:46:17am

re: #166 Killgore Trout

the indictment does not allege that Brown himself stole the credit-card numbers or that he profited from having them.

Doesn't matter

if I'm in possession of stolen property I can be charged, even if I didn't steal it myself


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I think "when" is a very important thing, but "what the f*ck!" is also a very important thing to ask. Just keep asking "what the f*ck?" I mean, why the f*ck bother? See what i mean? The important thing is, deal with the "when". "When" will open a lot of shit for you. "What the f*ck" really makes it easier to deal with it when you understand the "when".