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Another Breitbart Fake Outrage Bites the Dust: Crowder Admits He Shoved Union Members

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Today in the fake right wing scandal we’ll call UnionThug-Gate, we learn that provocateur Steven Crowder was not just standing there minding his own business when he was punched in the face outside the Michigan Capitol — he was shoving union members.

And how do we know this? From Crowder’s own words, in this smug, self-aggrandizing interview with Canada’s Fox News imitation, Sun News. The thing about dimwits like Crowder is that if you let them keep talking long enough, they’ll eventually out themselves. They can’t help it.

The pertinent section begins at about 4 minutes in, as the interviewer rants about thugs and asks why the police didn’t arrest them (maybe because Crowder never filed a police report?):

“I’ve been very honest about this, the fact that as they started ransacking the tent, yeah, me and some men went out there … and we didn’t get violent with them but we did try to push them off the tent. That is true. We tried to push them off the tent.”

That’s right, he’s admitting on television that he was the original aggressor in this incident, but edited his video to remove the part where he was pushing union members. Idiot. Another Breitbart invented outrage bites the dust.

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1 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:20:10pm

AFP TENT IS TEH NEW BENGHAZI!1!ty

2 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:20:19pm

hopefully tweety sees this because yesterday he was all "concerned" about crowder getting punched.

3 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:20:41pm

No, it has already done its job: unions = thugs is right up there with Sotomayor = racist or welfare = fraud...

that is the point of these shills nowadays.

4 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:21:51pm

The outrage will only bite the dust in the reality-based community. I have no doubt it will live on in the Drudgesphere, and probably even Fox News.

5 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:22:17pm

We didn't get violent, except for when we did.

6 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:23:12pm

re: #1 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

by that logic then why was AFP even in Michigan to begin with when their embassy was in the capitol? Can't AFP provide enough funding for the security of their tents? What did the Koch brothers know and when did they know it?

7 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:24:01pm

TENTAZIGATE

8 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:24:34pm

UnionThug-GateScam.

Not every scandal has to end in gate.

Scam is so much more appropriate.

It's what Crowder did. He scammed in an attempt to gin up a video for Fox News, and that's exactly what he did.

9 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:25:28pm

re: #7 erik_t

TENTAZIGATE

The protesters are clearly members of Al Qaeda. This wasn't a protest it was an act of terror!

//

10 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:26:48pm

It's clear the tearing down of the tent was not spontaneous, it had to have been planned in advance.

11 jaunte  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:27:09pm

re: #6 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

AFP: Just a tent full of little old ladies who want to be involved, really.

Americans for Prosperity's Hagerstrom Refuses to Acknowledge Koch Brothers Funding

12 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:28:45pm

re: #11 jaunte

i heard that yesterday. I was LMAO over Tweety not letting it go. Everyone knows it, Hagerstrom should just admit that he sucks Koch.

13 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:28:57pm

And now the story's losing any staying power over at Breitbart. Besides a blip about AfP grabbing a few set pieces...er, "grassroots activists" to stand with them during a press conference calling on the unions and government of Michigan to denounce and condemn the "attacks" on them, the only story on this is still the one from yesterday where they're whining that the alphabet stations aren't giving this poutrage the time of day.

Even they seem to realize the whole thing's falling down like that tent that managed to hurt nobody but was still a major act of "violence."

14 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:29:17pm

So assuming for just a moment that everyone is telling the truth, some counter-protesters set up a tent in the middle of a protest, the protesters crowded around it, Crowder shoved someone who then tripped over one of the ropes (and maybe started it falling?). Said someone stood up and took a swing at Crowder, and connected.

Yeah, no wonder Crowder didn't ask a police officer to get involved.

15 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:31:54pm

Lets ask the expert:

Image: 3s6lgu.jpg

16 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:32:03pm

re: #14 kirkspencer

So assuming for just a moment that everyone is telling the truth, some counter-protesters set up a tent in the middle of a protest, the protesters crowded around it, Crowder shoved someone who then tripped over one of the ropes (and maybe started it falling?). Said someone stood up and took a swing at Crowder, and connected.

Yeah, no wonder Crowder didn't ask a police officer to get involved.

The Tea Partiers never got violent! Only union thugs get violent!!

17 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:32:32pm

re: #15 Kragar

Lets ask the expert:

Image: 3s6lgu.jpg

I'm not saying it was aliens that tore down that tent...but it was aliens.

18 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:32:48pm

re: #14 kirkspencer

So assuming for just a moment that everyone is telling the truth, some counter-protesters set up a tent in the middle of a protest, the protesters crowded around it, Crowder shoved someone who then tripped over one of the ropes (and maybe started it falling?). Said someone stood up and took a swing at Crowder, and connected.

Yeah, no wonder Crowder didn't ask a police officer to get involved.

If anything there is some fault with the police not keeping the protesters and counter-protesters apart. Though you would also expect they'd be pretty busy given the scale of the protest and time constraints. But if you know that there is a specific organized group of counter-protesters there you would think they would get greater attention as an obvious point where trouble might erupt.

19 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:33:16pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

I'm not saying it was aliens that tore down that tent...but it was aliens.

It was Steve King's legion of invisible hookers.

20 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:34:29pm

re: #18 Feline Fearless Leader

If anything there is some fault with the police not keeping the protesters and counter-protesters apart. Though you would also expect they'd be pretty busy given the scale of the protest and time constraints. But if you know that there is a specific organized group of counter-protesters there you would think they would get greater attention as an obvious point where trouble might erupt.

It might also have something to do with the fact that these were state police running the show, because the Lansing PD refused to provide security.

21 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:35:14pm

I love how Crowder says "we didn't get violent with them." How the hell do you push someone without being violent?

Notice that he's also admitting he wasn't the only one doing this.

22 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:35:28pm
23 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:36:29pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

I love how Crowder says "we didn't get violent with them." How the hell do you push someone without being violent?

Notice that he's also admitting he wasn't the only one doing this.

Certainly explains the portion of the video that was being viewed as evidence of him sucker punching the "thug." It was him pushing the guy to the ground, then feigning "shock" when the "thug" got up and cracked him across the jaw.

24 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:37:33pm

So why was a so-called "journalist" even involved in the protest let alone trying to protect the radical right-wing circus tent?

25 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:39:20pm

It's no wonder he didn't file a police report. It would have come out that he was the aggressor in the incident. Instead he went straight to Fox News with it.

26 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:40:10pm

Linda Harvey: Homosexuals aren't considered persons under the 14th Amendment

Why should the equal protection argument be made in favor of homosexual behavior, which is changeable? People are not naturally homosexual, so the definition of "person" in the Fourteenth Amendment is being twisted to make this assumption.

"Person" should be understood based on historic, beneficial, or at least neutral and fact-based traits; it should not be twisted to incorporate behavior that most religions and most cultures have said a firm "no" to.

It's also behavior for which there's no recognized science demonstrating a genetic or hormonal origin. And it's also not beneficial and does not stand the definition of marriage, used for millenia - that is, the act of consummation. It's another sad fact of homosexual behavior that two men or two women can never consummate a marriage; they can never conceive children together.

This should still have some standing and it remains a fact that there are only two types of human in the world: male and female. Any other distinctions made are appearance, custom, and construction. So marriage is the lawful, orderly confirmation of what we already see in nature.

The Supreme Court says they will give their decision in June. Pray, friends, for truth to prevail.

27 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:41:30pm
28 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:41:52pm

The point has been made, the meme is now established: unions = thugs.

It does not matter what else comes out at this point, Breitbart has done his job. And that is how these shills work. They got ACORN shut down, Shirley Sherrod fired, now they have the unions in an even more disadvantageous position than they were before the protests.

29 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:41:53pm

re: #7 erik_t

TENTAZIGATE

If you link Watergate and Iran-Contra together and multiply it times maybe 10 or so, you’re going to get in the zone where Tentghazi™ is.

30 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:42:01pm

After watching that video, I want to punch him myself. And I'm not even a union member.

31 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:42:09pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

It's no wonder he didn't file a police report. It would have come out that he was the aggressor in the incident. Instead he went straight to Fox News with it.

He could have enlisted the help of Fox Security.

32 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:42:29pm

while trying to be productive, the local TXTING service from the Powers-that-Be, announced that a truck overturned and spilled it's load of screws. They advised not driving at that intersection.

I decided it was time to take a break.

33 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:43:21pm

re: #26 Kragar

Falling back on biological reasons is an instant fail. A heterosexual couple with one or both being barren can't conceive children either.

And marriage in any case is a cultural thing. Which is changeable as well. Sort of how that whole chattel slavery thing went away.

34 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:43:23pm

re: #32 Holidays are Family Fun Time

while trying to be productive, the local TXTING service from the Powers-that-Be, announced that a truck overturned and spilled it's load of screws. They advised not driving at that intersection.

I decided it was time to take a break.

I hate it when traffic gets all screwed up.

35 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:44:04pm

re: #26 Kragar

Linda Harvey: Homosexuals aren't considered persons under the 14th Amendment

Vindictive, howling alpha bitch hyaenas are also not considered persons under the XIVth Amendment, Linda...

36 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:44:32pm

re: #33 Feline Fearless Leader

Falling back on biological reasons is an instant fail. A heterosexual couple with one or both being barren can't conceive children either.

And marriage in any case is a cultural thing. Which is changeable as well. Sort of how that whole chattel slavery thing went away.

I always wondered why the "Pro-Marriage" forces weren't all up in arms when my 79-year-old father married my 65-year-old stepmother. It's not like they were going to raise a new family.

37 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:45:38pm

re: #36 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I always wondered why the "Pro-Marriage" forces weren't all up in arms when my 79-year-old father married my 65-year-old stepmother. It's not like they were going to raise a new family.

Why do they hate Baby Jesus?

38 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:48:14pm

Well, let's see:

AMENDMENT XIV

SECTION 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

SECTION 2.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

SECTION 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

SECTION 4.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

SECTION 5.

The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

yes, it's clear, we have to re-define manhood.

39 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:48:17pm

Ex-Komen VP: Planned Parenthood ‘literally co-opted the color pink’ from breast cancer

"...Planned Parenthood literally co-opted the color pink. And for most people the color pink is associated with what? The fight against breast cancer,” Handel continued. “But Planned Parenthood cloaked itself in that color. Their website changed to pink. Everything they did was pink, pink, pink. Wrapping themselves in what I would call, if you will, a cloak of legitimacy in an effort to gain credibility.”

THEY STOLE PINK! THOSE BASTARDS!

40 Cinnabar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:48:46pm

re: #26 Kragar

I'd have more to say about that if it made any sense at all. "There are only two types of people in the world. Male and female. So homosexuals aren't people..."

...because they aren't male or female? Is that her conclusion??

(I'm going to leave that strictly alone, lest my head explode.)

41 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:49:11pm

re: #36 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I always wondered why the "Pro-Marriage" forces weren't all up in arms when my 79-year-old father married my 65-year-old stepmother. It's not like they were going to raise a new family.

Because the cultural and religious basis won't stand when it comes down to equal protection under law and the right to equal *legal* consideration. Therefore, they start reaching for scientific or other coverings as additional backup. And these are often of very spurious logic or not thought through in terms of consequences.

Comes from assuming desired result and working backwards. Seems to be a repeating fault among this crowd which I suspect comes from the practice of cherry-picking quotes from the preferred Holy Book and twisting them to one's benefit as an Appeal to Authority.

42 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:49:18pm

re: #39 Kragar

Ex-Komen VP: Planned Parenthood ‘literally co-opted the color pink’ from breast cancer

THEY STOLE PINK! THOSE BASTARDS!

It's all about helping women with breast cancer --doncha know . . .

*spit*

43 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:49:30pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

I love how Crowder says "we didn't get violent with them." How the hell do you push someone without being violent?

Notice that he's also admitting he wasn't the only one doing this.

Wingnut excuse: Violence would have been if Crowder and company brought firearms along and opened up with them. Anything less is, um, asserting their right to free assembly.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

44 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:50:00pm

re: #38 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Well, let's see:

yes, it's clear, we have to re-define manhood.

Ah. OK, so the 14th Amendment only covers straight and gay men and not straight and lesbian women.

//

45 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:50:28pm

SEe, there would be plenty of pie for everyone if we just redefined who was included in everyone.

All those who don't qualify don't get pie, leaving enough to go around.

Isn't it simple?

/

46 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:50:44pm

re: #43 Romantic Heretic

Wingnut excuse: Violence would have been if Crowder and company brought firearms along and opened up with them. Anything less is, um, asserting their right to free assembly.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

It only means something to the GOP when it's *severe* violence.
///

47 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:50:50pm

re: #26 Kragar

Linda Harvey: Homosexuals aren't considered persons under the 14th Amendment

I could use the same logic to exclude women were I so inclined, Ms. Harvey.

48 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:50:51pm

re: #39 Kragar

Ex-Komen VP: Planned Parenthood ‘literally co-opted the color pink’ from breast cancer

THEY STOLE PINK! THOSE BASTARDS!

They're weird. Practically trying to copyright a color. Or even the word "pink."

49 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:51:22pm

re: #44 Gus

Ah. OK, so the 14th Amendment only covers straight and gay men and not straight and lesbian women.

//

I don't think gay men are considered "men" under the definition generally taken as fact by the whackos.

50 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:51:22pm

re: #39 Kragar

Ex-Komen VP: Planned Parenthood ‘literally co-opted the color pink’ from breast cancer

THEY STOLE PINK! THOSE BASTARDS!

Do you think they appreciate irony?

The pink ribbon was adopted as the official symbol of National Breast Cancer Awareness Month the next year, in 1992. The pink ribbon was derived from the popular red ribbon for AIDS awareness. Alexandra Penney, the editor-in-chief of the women's health magazine Self, and breast cancer survivor Evelyn Lauder, the senior corporate vice president at the cosmetics company Estée Lauder created a ribbon for the cosmetics giant to distribute in stores in New York City.

Estée Lauder and Self initially approached Charlotte Haley, who had began a peach-coloured ribbon campaign to press the National Cancer Institute to increase its budget for cancer prevention research. Haley refused to be part of what she felt was a commercial effort, so Estée Lauder and Self changed the color of their ribbon to light pink in 2005, to circumvent Haley's efforts to stop them.

51 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:51:33pm

re: #39 Kragar

Wow, Handel is really dropping the pretense that she didn't hate Planned Parenthood. Remember how she made a big show out of saying it had nothing to do with politics when she tried to cut off PP?

She was lying. I am shock.

52 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:51:41pm

Pink lemonade for sale!

Sorry kid. But you can't use the word "pink" on your lemonade stand.
-- Komen

53 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:52:04pm

re: #39 Kragar

Ex-Komen VP: Planned Parenthood ‘literally co-opted the color pink’ from breast cancer

THEY STOLE PINK! THOSE BASTARDS!

Oh. I'm quite glad the NFL players have been wearing pink shoes and such during games for Planned Parenthood Awareness.

Oh, wait...

:p

54 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:52:23pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Wow, Handel is really dropping the pretense that she didn't hate Planned Parenthood. Remember how she made a big show out of saying it had nothing to do with politics when she tried to cut off PP?

She was lying. I am shock.

Well, obviously she's bitter because Planned Parenthood cost her her job. She said there was nothing against Planned Parenthood at the time and there's no reason to believe she was lying.

55 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:52:23pm

Limbaugh: Elizabeth Warren is ‘Heap Big Squaw Indian Giver’

Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh on Thursday referred to Senator-elect Elizabeth Warren as “Heap Big Squaw Indian Giver,” confirming that he would continue to provide ammunition to critics who accuse him of being both racist and sexist.

56 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:52:38pm

Sorry, little finger, you can't call yourself PINK-y anymore!!!

57 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:52:45pm

Pink toe nail polish for sale!

That's ours!
-- Komen

58 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:53:02pm
59 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:53:04pm

re: #56 Sol Berdinowitz

Sorry, little finger, you can't call yourself PINK-y anymore!!!

Damn Pinko!

60 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:53:05pm

I'd love to see the science involved in defining the color Pink.

Photons or Pigment, Ms Handel.

61 blueraven  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:53:42pm

re: #52 Gus

Pink lemonade for sale!

Sorry kid. But you can't use the word "pink" on your lemonade stand.
-- Komen

What about "Pink", the singer? She is in BIG trouble.

62 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:54:01pm

"Crowder Assaulted By Union Thugs In Michigan" is such a fair and balanced headline.

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:54:21pm

re: #57 Gus

Pink toe nail polish for sale!

That's ours!
-- Komen

And they're going to sue Tarrantino to force all copies of _Reservoir Dogs_ to be recalled and changed.
///

65 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:54:36pm

re: #61 blueraven

What about "Pink", the singer? She is in BIG trouble.

Wait, maybe that is what she meant! PLANNED PARENTHOOD KIDNAPPED THE SINGER PINK!

66 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:54:49pm
67 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:54:59pm

re: #63 lawhawk

Susan Rice drops out of consideration for secretary of state

She's trying to keep the Senate from finding out the truth! SUBPOENA HER!

68 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:55:08pm

And I guess Alecia needs to find a new stage name.

69 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:55:10pm

re: #60 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I'd love to see the science involved in defining the color Pink.

Photons or Pigment, Ms Handel.

There is no pink in the Bible.

70 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:55:42pm

re: #68 kirkspencer

And I guess Alecia needs to find a new stage name.

The artist formerly known as Pink?

71 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:55:44pm

re: #66 BongCrodny

John Kerry, come on down!

I think Obama should nominate Al Gore.

72 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:56:09pm

re: #63 lawhawk

Susan Rice drops out of consideration for secretary of state

McGramps finally gets a "victory" over Obama. Break out the Cristal.

73 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:56:24pm

re: #71 Feline Fearless Leader

I think Obama should nominate Al Gore.

I worry that all the exploded heads will bring on the zombie apocalypse.

74 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:56:57pm

re: #72 Dr. Matt

McGramps finally gets a "victory" over Obama. Break out the Cristal.

He can name her ambassador to Arizona after it secedes.
:p

75 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:57:14pm

re: #71 Feline Fearless Leader

I think Obama should nominate Al Gore.

Maybe Jon Huntsman?

76 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:57:38pm

re: #70 Kragar

The artist formerly known as Pink?

Low Saturation Red has a nice ring to it.

77 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:57:44pm

re: #39 Kragar

Ex-Komen VP: Planned Parenthood ‘literally co-opted the color pink’ from breast cancer

THEY STOLE PINK! THOSE BASTARDS!

Those dirty rotten pinkos!

78 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:57:58pm

re: #72 Dr. Matt

McGramps finally gets a "victory" over Obama. Break out the Cristal.

meth?

79 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:58:08pm

re: #76 The Ghost of a Flea

Low Saturation Red has a nice ring to it.

A pale iced red.

80 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:58:39pm

re: #69 Kragar

Not true. There was a pink in the Bible. After all, there was a Big Jo[seph], and he was giving out the names. /Nice Guy Eddie

81 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:58:45pm

re: #79 Kragar

A pale iced red.

A redder shade of pale.

82 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:58:57pm

re: #72 Dr. Matt

McGramps finally gets a "victory" over Obama. Break out the Cristal.

In celebration, he'll replace the onion tied to his belt with a new one.

83 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:58:59pm

re: #71 Feline Fearless Leader

I think Obama should nominate Al Gore.

Gore would be a great pick and would symbolize a strong commitment to attacking AGW. The right wing would go fucking apeshit but the only way to attack him is over global warming, which will make them look like lunatics and perhaps help get more people to see how propagandistic the denier side is.

84 Tigger2  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:59:06pm

re: #2 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

hopefully tweety sees this because yesterday he was all "concerned" about crowder getting punched.

Yeah that kind of pissed me off. He can be such a concern freak sometimes.

85 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:00:20pm

re: #72 Dr. Matt

Is that supposed to be a link in your nic, or just commentary?

86 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:00:39pm

SUSAN RICE DROPPED OUT OF THE RUNNING BECAUSE SHE KNOWS WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT BENGHAZI AND THE CONFIRMATION PROCESS WOULD HAVE REVEALED THE TRUTH! AND TAKE DOWN OBAMA DURING THE PROCESS! I SENSE A CONTINUING COVER-UP!

87 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:01:59pm

re: #83 Obdicut

Gore would be a great pick and would symbolize a strong commitment to attacking AGW. The right wing would go fucking apeshit but the only way to attack him is over global warming, which will make them look like lunatics and perhaps help get more people to see how propagandistic the denier side is.

Making the right wing go fucking apeshit is, to me, a goal in and of itself at this point.

It's fun.

88 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:03:10pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

Is that supposed to be a link in your nic, or just commentary?

The latter.

89 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:03:30pm

Picking Kerry would be foolish.

90 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:05:54pm

New Villian Emerges In AFP Tent-Gate: Guy Fawkes-Masked ‘Radical Anarchists’

A spokesperson for conservative group Americans For Prosperity told TPM on Thursday the tent’s collapse this week during protests outside the state capitol may have been instigated not by union protesters — some of whom were “helping us” after the tent collapse, she said — but rather by “radical anarchists” wearing Guy Fawkes masks and coming from the Occupy movement.

Spokesperson Annie Patnaude also alleged some of the protesters threatened to blow up propane tanks inside the tent, potentially creating a deadly conflagration. Meanwhile union supporters continued to say the tent was felled by AFP members themselves, a charge Patnaude called “upsetting.”

At a press conference on Thursday afternoon in Lansing, Mich., AFP called on the mayor and police to open an investigation into the tent collapse and the events surrounding it.
...
“A lot of people have been telling me, and I saw one gentleman inside the tent, who was wearing a Guy Fawkes mask,” Patnaude said. “I don’t know if this was a union person or not. I think there’s a good possibility it was an Occupier or a radical anarchist.”

“Certainly some of these union protesters are paid protesters who border the line on anarchy,” she continued. “But you know, there were union protesters there who I overheard saying ‘this has gone too far’ and who were actually helping us. So for their sake we need to have a full investigation.”

TENTGHAZI! TENTGHAZI! TENTGHAZI!

91 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:06:20pm

re: #89 Gus

Picking Kerry would be foolish.

Certainly hard to understand the mentality that he is the ONLY OTHER possible candidate.

92 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:06:21pm

re: #87 erik_t

Making the right wing go fucking apeshit is, to me, a goal in and of itself at this point.

It's fun.

Yeah. Just be aware that if Al got nominated all the sex scandal/divorce (well, separation) crap from a couple years ago would be on 24/7.

93 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:06:47pm

re: #59 Gus

Damn Pinko!

re: #77 BongCrodny

Those dirty rotten pinkos!

Dammit!

Read first, then post!

94 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:07:14pm

re: #90 Kragar

New Villian Emerges In AFP Tent-Gate: Guy Fawkes-Masked ‘Radical Anarchists’

If I'm an anarchist, the very first thing I do is fight for the right to have more strong organizations controlling parts of my life.

Seems legit.

95 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:08:41pm

re: #91 bratwurst

Certainly hard to understand the mentality that he is the ONLY OTHER possible candidate.

He needs to stay in the Senate. He's needed in the Foreign Relations Committee. The most important reason is that the Dems would lose his seniority which currently number 10 out of 100. That would not be replaced by a freshman.

96 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:09:26pm

re: #90 Kragar

New Villian Emerges In AFP Tent-Gate: Guy Fawkes-Masked ‘Radical Anarchists’

TENTGHAZI! TENTGHAZI! TENTGHAZI!

How about TENT FLAP!
:)

97 Tigger2  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:10:09pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Stay classy, douchebag.

Limbaugh has never and never will be classy, but he always has been and always will be a douchebag.

98 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:10:47pm

re: #95 Gus

He needs to stay in the Senate. He's needed in the Foreign Relations Committee. The most important reason is that the Dems would lose his seniority which currently number 10 out of 100. That would not be replaced by a freshman.

Plus, I don't want even the slightest possibility of the greasy centerfold creep slithering back into that seat.

99 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:10:53pm

I see the AFP has totally disregarded the invisible hooker angle.

Obviously they are in on the cover up.

100 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:11:30pm

re: #88 Dr. Matt

The latter.

1. It cheapens the term 'terrorist'.

2. It's a very broad brush.

101 Jolo5309  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:12:08pm

re: #33 Feline Fearless Leader

Falling back on biological reasons is an instant fail. A heterosexual couple with one or both being barren can't conceive children either.

Or they don't want kids...

My wife and I got married (to each other) in 1988 and have obstinately refused to have kids.

102 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:13:00pm

re: #98 Interesting Times

Plus, I don't want even the slightest possibility of the greasy centerfold creep slithering back into that seat.

Scott Brown is gone.

103 RadicalModerate  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:14:04pm

re: #90 Kragar

New Villian Emerges In AFP Tent-Gate: Guy Fawkes-Masked ‘Radical Anarchists’

TENTGHAZI! TENTGHAZI! TENTGHAZI!

I've seen probably close to a half hour's worth of footage of the Michigan protests, including a lot of the raw footage from the tent coming down. I don't remember seeing a single "Occupy" type person there, much less any of the mask-wearing "Black Bloc" anarchist faction.

Of course, the AFP people are next probably going to blame either the New Black Panthers or ACORN for knocking down the tents.

104 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:14:19pm

re: #98 Interesting Times

Plus, I don't want even the slightest possibility of the greasy centerfold creep slithering back into that seat.

Oh, I see what you mean. Wouldn't the governor pick the replacement?

105 Tigger2  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:16:17pm

re: #90 Kragar

New Villian Emerges In AFP Tent-Gate: Guy Fawkes-Masked ‘Radical Anarchists’

TENTGHAZI! TENTGHAZI! TENTGHAZI!

“radical anarchists” wearing Guy Fawkes masks

Obviously AFP plants. ///

106 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:17:19pm

It seems that the ego-centric cannot admit they failed or made a bad choice in the corporate world. Instead of sitting back and paying of debt, they demand more to overextend hoping the big risk will return big payoff, including the newspaper headlines and social capital as well as the financial benefits.

What they don't seem to understand is that they are risking OTHER PEOPLE's livelihoods in the process. And they don't care. It's serious addiction behavior. And it's got to stop.

107 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:17:24pm

re: #104 Gus

Oh, I see what you mean. Wouldn't the governor pick the replacement?

Not sure, actually. Every time people mentioned it, it was as if a special election was a given.

108 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:17:45pm

re: #101 Jolo5309

Or they don't want kids...

My wife and I got married (to each other) in 1988 and have obstinately refused to have kids.

Heathens!

/:0

Hubby and I have an only child and still get "those" looks from some people.

109 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:24:17pm

re: #107 Interesting Times

Not sure, actually. Every time people mentioned it, it was as if a special election was a given.

Wikipedia:

In 2004, the Massachusetts General Court withdrew the authority of the governor to fill a U.S. Senate vacancy by appointment, to prevent the then-Governor Mitt Romney, a Republican, from appointing a Republican to fill the remainder of Democrat John Kerry's Senate term, if Kerry were to win the 2004 presidential election.

...

The Massachusetts House of Representatives approved legislation to give Governor Patrick the power to appoint an interim senator on September 17, 2009, by a 95–58 vote.[30] The Massachusetts Senate approved the measure on September 22, 2009, by a vote of 24 to 16,[34] and both houses of the General Court gave final approval to the bill on September 23.

110 krypto  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:48:07pm

The video Fox initially released of the punch-out showed the old union guy getting up off the ground to come out swinging and punching Crowder.

The next day Fox had cropped out the small segment with the old union guy initially on the ground.

It certainly seems likely now that Crowder was being punched because he at least shoved the old guy to the ground.

111 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:16:26pm

re: #110 krypto

The video Fox initially released of the punch-out showed the old union guy getting up off the ground to come out swinging and punching Crowder.

The next day Fox had cropped out the small segment with the old union guy initially on the ground.

It certainly seems likely now that Crowder was being punched because he at least shoved the old guy to the ground.

There's a higher-resolution video of the Bill O'Reilly segment now at Fox, and it really does look like Crowder shoved the union protester, from behind. Either Crowder or someone right next to him knocked the guy to the ground, and it was pretty clear that the guy thought it was Crowder. Went right for him.

Check the clip starting at about 1:32...

Violence in Michigan | Fox News Video

112 lostlakehiker  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 2:36:12pm

The text quoted includes this passage:

“I’ve been very honest about this, the fact that as they started ransacking the tent,...

This introduces some ambiguity to the matter of "who started it". If first use of force is the question, then the Union started it. If first use of force on a person is the question, then Crowder or his pals started it.

113 lostlakehiker  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 2:42:22pm

re: #87 erik_t

Making the right wing go fucking apeshit is, to me, a goal in and of itself at this point.

It's fun.

Global warming is too important to use as a prop for mind games and coup counting. Difficult though it can be, and aggravating, we will get further faster if we can bring a significant part of the RW on board for this one purpose.

Most disputes between L and R are zero-sum games. There can be no meeting of the minds, only winners and losers. But global warming is a game where the RW is going to lose just as much as everybody else. They're playing to lose, and they don't get it.

Here, there can be a meeting of the minds. They change theirs and accept reality.

But consider the quiet wisdom of Bush 41 when the Soviet Union was falling apart. No pushing, no crowing. No taking advantage. Just let it happen. Here, as and when some faction of the RW begins to come around, the best strategy on the Left is to just let it happen, and welcome a return to the realm of reason on the part of those who are crossing the aisle on the question of AGW.

114 aug3  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 3:12:27pm

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