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Susan Rice Withdraws From Consideration for Sec. of State - Over Fake Scandal

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The Fox News/Republican Party witch hunt against Susan Rice, over a completely phony trumped-up scandal, has succeeded: EXCLUSIVE: Susan Rice Drops Out of Running for Secretary of State; Saddened by Partisan Politics.

Embattled U.N. envoy Susan Rice is dropping out of the running to be the next secretary of state after months of criticism over her Benghazi comments, she told NBC News on Thursday.

“If nominated, I am now convinced that the confirmation process would be lengthy, disruptive and costly - to you and to our most pressing national and international priorities,” Rice wrote in a letter to President Obama, saying she’s saddened by the partisan politics surrounding her prospects.

“That trade-off is simply not worth it to our country…Therefore, I respectfully request that you no longer consider my candidacy at this time,” she wrote in the letter obtained by NBC News.

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266 comments

1 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:14:03pm

One wonders if this will cause the roving buffoons to find some new manufactured foolishness to latch onto (TENTGAZI seems like a natural choice), or if they'll use it as proof of the conspiracy and double-down on the derp.

Actually I stopped wondering as I was typing that. Of course they'll double down.

2 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:14:38pm

I'm sure the Wingnuts will be trumpeting their success over defeating a person who was never officially announced as being nominated for the position.

3 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:14:49pm

Cover-up!

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4 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:14:56pm

It's pathetic watching the media talking heads trying to pretend this is a result of anything other than a completely phony witch hunt.

5 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:15:08pm

Of course she withdrew; take Benedict Arnold and Charles Manson together, multiply by a gazillion, and you'll have an American almost as bad as her, though I don't know why!

6 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:15:51pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

It's pathetic watching the media talking heads trying to pretend this is a result of anything other than a completely phony witch hunt.

Heard over at TPM that NBC broke into regular broadcasting to announce this, with David Gregory barely containing his excitement.

7 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:16:23pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

That would require actual news analysis and sorting through the smokescreen that the Benghazi-gaters have thrown up. Far easier to go this route.

8 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:16:49pm
9 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:17:23pm

re: #5 aagcobb

Of course she withdrew; take Benedict Arnold and Charles Manson together, multiply by a gazillion, and you'll have an American almost as bad as her, though I don't know why!

I shall not today attempt further to define the kind of person I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["America-hating conspiratorial traitor"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the individual involved in this case is that.

10 RadicalModerate  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:17:26pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

It's pathetic watching the media talking heads trying to pretend this is a result of anything other than a completely phony witch hunt political lynching.

Fixed.

11 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:18:53pm

re: #8 bratwurst

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12 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:19:52pm

And Allahpundit thinks he's hit on the big reason why Rice dropped out:

Breaking: Susan Rice withdraws from consideration as Secretary of State

Update: I don’t think it was Republican opposition to her over Benghazi that forced her out. Obama signaled repeatedly that he was prepared to stand by her on that; lefty media churned out plenty of “I don’t get what the big deal is!!!” pieces in her defense over the last month too. Liberals would have lined up behind her on Libya with plenty of demagoguery about racism and sexism to help push her through. I think it was the other stuff that convinced her or the White House or both that this wasn’t worth the headaches — the endless whispering about her undiplomatic temperament, the conflict-of-interest concerns about her investments in companies behind the Keystone pipeline, and the criticism of her alleged “sympathy” for some of Africa’s tyrants. If her confirmation had been a pure referendum on Benghazi, Senate Democrats probably would have gone to bat for her. But if it’s not a pure referendum, if it’s Benghazi plus three or four other weak spots, then maybe a handful would defect and suddenly O’s looking at a major humiliation to start his second term.

13 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:20:20pm

re: #11 Gus

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14 blueraven  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:21:38pm

re: #11 Gus

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Yes, but if Rice is out he deserves real consideration...damn the politics.
If he is the best person for the job, and he wants it, he should get it. He has served well for many years.

15 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:22:53pm

From Talking Points Memo:

McCain Thanks Rice, Wishes Her Well

"Senator McCain thanks Ambassador Rice for her service to the country and wishes her well. He will continue to seek all of the facts surrounding the attack on or consulate in Benghazi that killed four brave Americans."

God, what a shitheel.

I used to have some respect for McCain. That fucking needle's on E now.

17 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:28:58pm

re: #14 blueraven

Yes, but if Rice is out he deserves real consideration...damn the politics.
If he is the best person for the job, and he wants it, he should get it. He has served well for many years.

Would be a strategic mistake. In the end, the Secretary of State doesn't make policy but instead is part of the larger foreign policy of the Whitehouse. There are plenty of candidates who would make for a good secretary. Sacrificing Kerry for a 4 year stint as SoS wouldn't make sense. Kerry is only 69. This would also mean that Mass could lose Kerry for good. Remember that Mass also went Republican before with Scott Brown.

18 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:31:00pm

re: #17 Gus

Would be a strategic mistake. In the end, the Secretary of State doesn't make policy but instead is part of the larger foreign policy of the Whitehouse. There are plenty of candidates who would make for a good secretary. Sacrificing Kerry for a 4 year stint as SoS wouldn't make sense. Kerry is only 69. This would also mean that Mass could lose Kerry for good. Remember that Mass also went Republican before with Scott Brown.

And the wingnuts are all but salivating at the idea of sending Kerry off to State just to open up the seat to Brown.

19 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:31:14pm

They want Kerry in so they can run after his Senate seat.

20 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:32:05pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

And the wingnuts are all but salivating at the idea of sending Kerry off to State just to open up the seat to Brown.

Exactly. Dave Weigel is right.

21 jaunte  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:33:08pm
22 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:33:27pm

Well best wishes to Susan Rice. I'm positive she will have a really successful career. I don't blame her for not walking through the gauntlet of the GOP so they can have their pound of flesh.

23 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:34:55pm

re: #21 jaunte

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24 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:35:18pm

Another thing big amongst the wingnuts is comparing Rice to Harriet Miers, if you just ignore that Miers actually was nominated rather than made the subject of Beltway speculation and was nominated to a far more important and far-longer serving position then SecState.

25 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:35:58pm

This is a terrible shame.

Also,

I was wrong about some things...

1. I have not been posting here nearly as much as I used to and I truly had no idea about some of the shenanigans going on.

For example, I had no idea that Rochi was linking to fjordman or the EI had some list of enemies of free - speech. I really didn't.

I am very sorry for unwittingly stepping into a minefield. I had much different explosives to discuss.

I walked blindly into a hornet's nest. I had hoped that was clear.

2. OF course I do not support freaks like fjordman. And Pat Condell got more than a little too full of himself (to say the least). I haven't seen one of his youtube things in about three years, so if he got worse, I would not be surprised, but I really don't know.

3. Given that, I can see how people got very cranky and misunderstood what I was going for - if that is all there is to it. And for some, I am certain, that is indeed the case. However, it still gets out of hand even when things like the salient points of the post and its intent are plain as day. For others, it very clearly was magical balance fairies and for yet others it was just purposefully trolling.

4. But then again that is sort of the point within the point. That part I was not wrong about.

5. There used to be a point here where people could make a serious post full of serious points. People knew what the serious points were, and they knew what the intent of the post was. It was plain as day. They were not dragged down into a muck of BS pertaining to every extraneous thing other than the points - like pearl clutching over something that might be construed as "too broad" when the meaning was plain, or pearl clutching over the potential other meanings of given word when the meaning was plain.

6. I am not flouncing. I am currently writing about a certain trend in simply petty crap that only seems to have gotten worse. What is wrong with actually discussing the meat of a post?

7. I am sure many will go on a little pearl clutch about this "being all about me." Actually not. It is about the tenor of the posts in general.

26 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:36:03pm

He should nominate Bill Clinton.

27 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:36:59pm

re: #26 Varek Raith

He should nominate Bill Clinton.

Nah, nominate Rush Limbaugh, then watch the fun happen.

28 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:37:36pm
29 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:37:44pm

Emoprogs are whining. They're saying "Obama caved."

30 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:38:33pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

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Bill Clinton.
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31 blueraven  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:38:39pm

re: #17 Gus

Would be a strategic mistake. In the end, the Secretary of State doesn't make policy but instead is part of the larger foreign policy of the Whitehouse. There are plenty of candidates who would make for a good secretary. Sacrificing Kerry for a 4 year stint as SoS wouldn't make sense. Kerry is only 69. This would also mean that Mass could lose Kerry for good. Remember that Mass also went Republican before with Scott Brown.

This is all true, but sometimes you just do the right thing. Kerry gave Obama a huge opportunity as Keynote speaker at the DNC in '04. He supported him for president. Maybe Kerry would be ready to retire in 4 years anyway.
Also it would really piss off the swiftboaters.

32 blueraven  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:42:07pm

oh brother. What is the thread topic again?

33 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:43:17pm

re: #22 A Man for all Seasons

Well best wishes to Susan Rice. I'm positive she will have a really successful career. I don't blame her for not walking through the gauntlet of the GOP so they can have their pound of flesh.

Done:

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Rice’s net worth sat somewhere between $23.5 million and $43.5 million in 2009, the latest year for which the center has done a full analysis of her finances. That makes her either the wealthiest person currently serving in the executive branch or a close second to Clinton.

34 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:43:29pm

re: #32 blueraven

oh brother. What is the thread topic again?

Threads have topics?

35 Destro  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:43:34pm

That's actually horrible news.

I have a theory in the back of my mind this was done maybe to also weaken Hillary Clinton (Rice is her protege I hear) by the GOP when she runs for president.

Is this something anyone else pondered or am I in tinfoil hat territory with this one?

36 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:43:35pm

re: #29 Gus

Emoprogs are whining. They're saying "Obama caved."

Meanwhile, the freepers are convinced that Obama threw her "under the bus."

37 Bulworth  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:44:52pm

re: #2 Kragar

This is good news for Romney. /

38 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:44:58pm

re: #35 Destro

Is this something anyone else pondered or am I in tinfoil hate territory with this one?

Paging Dr. Freud...

39 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:46:05pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the freepers are convinced that Obama threw her "under the bus."

Both are conspiracy theories because they're not accepting her pre-emptive withdrawal. She hasn't resigned and remains Ambassador to the UN.

40 blueraven  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:46:11pm

re: #34 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Threads have topics?

often...for some of us anyway.

41 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:47:24pm

REJOICE PLEBEIANS FOR THE DAY OF JOY IS UPON US!

John Dies at the End has an official release date!

USA 25 January 2013

42 Destro  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:49:44pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

Paging Dr. Freud...

Sorry, my cell phone has that auto type thing which sucks. "Tinfoil hate" should be "tinfoil hat".

43 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:51:08pm

re: #42 Destro

Sorry, my cell phone has that auto type thing which sucks. "Tinfoil hate" should be "tinfoil hat".

How well does it handle "therapist"?

44 Destro  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:53:07pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

It's pathetic watching the media talking heads trying to pretend this is a result of anything other than a completely phony witch hunt.

It maybe a phony witch hunt but it was a successful one, sadly.

The problem is that the GOP sees this as some sort of victory but she wasn't nominated for this position and thus this was not a GOP victory against Obama.

Because of the FOX news talking heads, the GOP was deprived of a victory (if you want to get Machiavellian about this) that would have been theirs if she was nominated and then grilled and defeated in the nomination process.

But because FOX could not wait to get out there on this outrage of the moment (because outrage = old people ratings) the GOP shot their load early on this.

45 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:53:34pm

re: #43 Feline Fearless Leader

How well does it handle "therapist"?

46 Destro  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:53:35pm

re: #43 Feline Fearless Leader

How well does it handle "therapist"?

The rapist?

47 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:55:38pm

re: #41 Kragar

REJOICE PLEBEIANS FOR THE DAY OF JOY IS UPON US!

John Dies at the End has an official release date!

USA 25 January 2013

so the world is not going to end with the Mayan calendar?

48 dragonfire1981  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:58:06pm

Ugh, the right wing gloating over this is going to go on for DAYS...

49 dragonfire1981  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:58:51pm

You know who I think would make a good secretary of state? (and he's black to boot)

Samuel L. Jackson

He could get s&*t done.

50 Bulworth  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:59:08pm

re: #48 dragonfire1981

Well, if this is the best they've got, I feel sorry for them.

No, actually I don't.

51 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:02:02pm

re: #49 dragonfire1981

You know who I think would make a good secretary of state? (and he's black to boot)

Samuel L. Jackson

He could get s&*t done.

Morgan Freeman --he played the best G-d.

52 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:05:00pm

re: #49 dragonfire1981

You know who I think would make a good secretary of state? (and he's black to boot)

Samuel L. Jackson

He could get s&*t done.

I would say Danny Glover, but he's getting too old for this shit.

53 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:06:41pm

Oh geez.

54 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:10:05pm

re: #51 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Morgan Freeman --he played the best G-d.

I think the most qualified for SoS would be Dianna Feinstein.
I know..But a guy can dream can't he?

55 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:11:01pm
56 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:12:45pm

re: #54 A Man for all Seasons

My faves in bold
[Link: theweek.com...]

1. Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.)
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman had hoped to be Secretary of State in Obama's first term, but "lost out to Hillary Clinton and Obama's 'team of rivals'," says Joan Vennochi in The Boston Globe. He's now waging an unofficial but "artful" campaign to get the nod in Obama's second term. As Secretary of State, Kerry would be powerful enough to "stake out personal turf" and bring his own informed viewpoint to the table. He's definitely on Obama's short list, says Leslie Gelb at The Daily Beast. And among the frontrunners, Obama believes "Kerry would travel a lot and successfully, and interfere least with policymaking."

2. U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice
Rice is "perhaps Clinton's likeliest successor," says The Daily Beast's Gelb. Her "blend of soft and hard line sits well in the Oval Office," and she's close to Obama. Rice is also "a rising star in the U.S. political firmament," says Obadiah Mailafia in Nigeria's BusinessDay. And as a Rhodes Scholar from a family of prominent economists, she would fit right in at Foggy Bottom. Rice is "not shy in playing a role in foreign policy," says Josh Rogin at Foreign Policy. And if Obama taps her, it "would signal a redoubling of the effort toward engagement and international diplomacy."


3. National Security Adviser Thomas Donilon
"Donilon is regarded as the wisest policy and political head" on the short list, says Gelb at The Daily Beast. And he appears to want the job. Sticking to the "carefully established informal rules" of jockeying to win the Secretary of State nod, Donlion is said to have suggested Rice for World Bank president — a "justifiable" recommendation, but also one that would remove a top rival from contention.

4. NSC official Samantha Power
The Irish-born Power first went to work for Obama in 2005, when he was a U.S. Senator. Now a human rights and multilateral affairs director in Obama's National Security Council, Power "could be his next Secretary of State or National Security Adviser," says Cathy Hayes at Irish Central. Power is an expert on, and staunch critic, of genocide, and she is considered a key architect of Obama's Libya intervention. But remember, some conservatives and Israel proponents don't like Power because they consider her pro-Palestinian.

5. Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.)
Our favorite dark horse candidate is Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress and the first black congressman from Minnesota, says Global Grind. He hasn't been in Congress all that long — since 2007 — but "Ellison would be an excellent choice, [and] his passion alone warrants him worthy of a candidacy."

57 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:13:05pm

House GOP Secretly Authorized $500,000 To Defend Unconstitutional Anti-Gay Law

It has come to light that House Administration Committee Chairman Dan Lungren (R-CA) secretly approved a $500,000 increase to a contract with a private law firm to defend the unconstitutional Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in federal court. While the increase was approved in September, neither the public nor the Democratic House minority was informed until this week, Roll Call reports.

The contract now authorizes Bancroft PLLC and former Solicitor General Paul Clement (R) to spend up to $2 million in to defend DOMA — the second increase to what was originally a $1 million cap. The U.S. Department of Justice stopped defending the 1996 law in February 2011 after determining the law to be in conflict with the U.S. Constittuion.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) denounced the increased expense in a statement:

It’s bad enough that Speaker Boehner and House Republicans are wasting taxpayer dollars to defend the indefensible Defense of Marriage Act – and losing in every case. Now, they have reached a new low – signing a secret contract to spend more public money on their legal boondoggle without informing Democrats. Their actions are simply unconscionable; their decisions are utterly irresponsible.

58 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:14:12pm

re: #56 Political Atheist

Ellison would cause a freakout the likes of which we have not yet seen. I vote yes.

59 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:14:21pm

re: #53 Gus

Oh geez.

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60 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:15:42pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

Ellison would cause a freakout the likes of which we have not yet seen. I vote yes.

Yes, that would be popcorn time, wouldn't it?

61 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:16:44pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Wonkette-a-lanche...

Steven Crowder Tent-Gate: 12/11 Was an Inside Job

Inside what?

the tent
the closet
the refridgerator?

62 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:17:47pm

re: #61 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Inside what?

the tent
the closet
the refridgerator?

In the conservatory with the tent rope.

I still think it should be "Tent Flap" - not as big or sturdy as a gate.

63 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:17:58pm

re: #56 Political Atheist

My faves in bold
[Link: theweek.com...]
"his passion alone warrants him worthy of a candidacy."

That's... not how State works. At least I hope.

Ellison sounds like a fine guy, but no.

64 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:18:27pm

re: #62 Feline Fearless Leader

In the conservatory with the tent rope.

I still think it should be "Tent Flap" - not as big or sturdy as a gate.

TENTGHAZI! TENTGHAZI! TENTGHAZI!

65 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:19:20pm

re: #64 Kragar

TENTGHAZI! TENTGHAZI! TENTGHAZI!

Hmm, "Ghazi" is now a potential name for the new Feline Overlord when acquired.

66 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:19:28pm

re: #63 erik_t

That's... not how State works. At least I hope.

Ellison sounds like a fine guy, but no.

I wish they hadn't called him their 'dark horse' candidate.

67 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:19:56pm

re: #62 Feline Fearless Leader

In the conservatory with the tent rope.

I still think it should be "Tent Flap" - not as big or sturdy as a gate.

Then they could be called Flappers?

68 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:21:49pm

Honestly I've never seen John Kerry as much of a hard ass. I don't think he could make-it as SOS. Condi, Hillary and Madeline were tough.

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:22:10pm

re: #67 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Then they could be called Flappers?

[Link: blogs.dallasobserver.com...]

70 dragonfire1981  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:22:16pm

re: #57 Kragar

House GOP Secretly Authorized $500,000 To Defend Unconstitutional Anti-Gay Law

Can you imagine the GOP freakout if the Dems had done something like this? Oh boy.

72 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:22:52pm

Well it's going to be Kerry or someone from within the administration. Either way I bet the Senate Republicans bitch.

73 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:23:21pm

re: #29 Gus

Emoprogs are whining. They're saying "Obama caved."

some people don't understand the necessity of choosing which battles you're going to fight

74 dragonfire1981  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:23:54pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Well it's going to be Kerry or someone from within the administration. Either way I bet the Senate Republicans bitch.

Obama could nominate Michelle Bachmann and the GOP would bitch.

75 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:24:41pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

North Korea's Failing Satellite Could Ruin Space for Everyone

Safe to say the kiddies in North Korea don't play well with others.

76 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:24:47pm

Massive pseudo-science derp at Freeperland:

Forensics profiler deconstructs Barack Obama

Cutting edge forensic profiler, Dr. Andrew G. Hodges, is using his skills to decode the psychological construct of President Barack Obama to uncover the reasons for what the doctor believes to be the poresident’s “deep misguided fury … toward America.” Using a method he calls thought print decoding, Hodges explains the shadow side which Obama reveals in his speeches and especially his letters to his daughters. “These communications result from part of the subconscious called super intelligence,” says Hodges.

These are the people who reject evolution, climate change and (in many cases) the reality of the Moon landings.

77 dragonfire1981  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:24:59pm

You know, this really reveals a lot about the power of the right wing media machine. Rice isn't the first person to turn down or quit a role because they don't want to deal with these people constantly.

78 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:25:48pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

North Korea's Failing Satellite Could Ruin Space for Everyone

I'm not worried about it.. How much damage can a beach ball in space do?

79 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:27:10pm

re: #78 A Man for all Seasons

I'm not worried about it.. How much damage can a beach ball in space do?

Did you read the article?

80 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:27:55pm

re: #63 erik_t

That's... not how State works. At least I hope.

Ellison sounds like a fine guy, but no.

Fair enough he is light in the resume. What got my attention is the possible advantages of a Muslim Sec State when dealing with regimes that are uncomfortable or internally dismissive with christian/atheist/ whatever "heathens". And of course the popcorn factor.

But yes, my #1 is Donilon.

81 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:29:09pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

North Korea's Failing Satellite Could Ruin Space for Everyone

clearly an international space janitorial authority is urgently needed

"cleanup on orbit 3!"

82 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:29:36pm

re: #78 A Man for all Seasons

I'm not worried about it.. How much damage can a beach ball in space do?

Obviously you haven't seen Dark Star.

83 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:30:55pm

re: #78 A Man for all Seasons

I'm not worried about it.. How much damage can a beach ball in space do?

Well, a paint fleck nearly took out a window on Endeavour in '94.

So... no biggie.

84 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:31:09pm

Which Sci-Fi novel is it that starts with the "blue collar" worker who's job it is to fly a space garbage retrieval ship?

85 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:31:39pm

re: #73 engineer cat

some people don't understand the necessity of choosing which battles you're going to fight

That might be a mistake. The right-wing nut jobs have done well for themselves by being relentless. They can create a controversy out of nothing at all (e.g., Benghazi), so trying to avoid a RW stink bomb can easily amount to pre-emptive surrender (e.g., large chunks of Obama's first term).

86 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:32:20pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

North Korea's Failing Satellite Could Ruin Space for Everyone

Maybe-Lets go get it for them. Bring it back and avoid the risk, hand it over to avoid accusations of theft. Or at least nudge it into a safer orbit or a safe re entry.

87 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:32:30pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel

Massive pseudo-science derp at Freeperland:

Forensics profiler deconstructs Barack Obama

These are the people who reject evolution, climate change and (in many cases) the reality of the Moon landings.

And apparently 'super intelligence' is also a bad thing.

88 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:32:36pm

re: #81 engineer cat

clearly an international space janitorial authority is urgently needed

"cleanup on orbit 3!"

What we need is Dave Lister on the case.

89 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:32:59pm

re: #84 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Which Sci-Fi novel is it that starts with the "blue collar" worker who's job it is to fly a space garbage retrieval ship?

Moon Zero 2?

90 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:33:20pm

re: #78 A Man for all Seasons

I'm not worried about it.. How much damage can a beach ball in space do?

An insane amount, actually.
;)

91 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:33:26pm

Seems there is a rumor that there is going to be a massive shooting at a local high school next Friday --end-of-the-world-day. District is taking it very seriously.

geez . . .

92 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:34:30pm

re: #86 Political Atheist

Maybe-Lets go get it for them. Bring it back and avoid the risk, hand it over to avoid accusations of theft. Or at least nudge it into a safer orbit or a safe re entry.

Pretty unlikely the current on-orbit X-37 has anything like the delta-V required to go get the thing, even if we wanted to. I don't know if we have another that's launch-ready.

Also it's probably illegal or whatever.

93 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:34:35pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel

Massive pseudo-science derp at Freeperland:

Forensics profiler deconstructs Barack Obama

These are the people who reject evolution, climate change and (in many cases) the reality of the Moon landings.

Having read that, I suppose I better not need the brain cells that were killed off...

94 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:34:36pm

Robertson: Obama is a Secret Socialist

95 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:35:17pm

re: #89 Kragar

Moon Zero 2?

No, I read it recently. Guy retreived a something that had alien copies inside --communication device, or something. There were more on earth that had beed found and deemed to contain demons --in times past. A big race ensued to gather the known artifacts --centered in China, I think. Wierd story. I liked it.

96 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:35:18pm

re: #83 erik_t

Well, a paint fleck nearly took out a window on Endeavour in '94.

So... no biggie.

Gosh.. I forgot the / tag.

97 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:35:45pm

re: #93 EPR-radar

Having read that, I suppose I better not need the brain cells that were killed off...

You are better off without them.

98 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:36:03pm

re: #85 EPR-radar

That might be a mistake. The right-wing nut jobs have done well for themselves by being relentless. They can create a controversy out of nothing at all (e.g., Benghazi), so trying to avoid a RW stink bomb can easily amount to pre-emptive surrender (e.g., large chunks of Obama's first term).

on the other hand punting on the rice nomination takes this particular stink bomb out of commission

99 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:36:52pm

re: #96 A Man for all Seasons

Gosh.. I forgot the / tag.

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?!?!

100 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:38:19pm

re: #95 Holidays are Family Fun Time

No, I read it recently. Guy retreived a something that had alien copies inside --communication device, or something. There were more on earth that had beed found and deemed to contain demons --in times past. A big race ensued to gather the known artifacts --centered in China, I think. Wierd story. I liked it.

Ah, David Brin, Existence.

101 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:39:53pm

Really, it would be better not to have another female rice as SOS so close in succession. History would get so mucked-up as a result. One historian would attribute a quote to Susan when it was really Condi and so on. . . .

:0

102 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:41:00pm

re: #84 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Which Sci-Fi novel is it that starts with the "blue collar" worker who's job it is to fly a space garbage retrieval ship?

Existence by Brin starts that way.

103 researchok  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:41:14pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel

Massive stupid- the freepers.

104 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:41:28pm

re: #96 A Man for all Seasons

Gosh.. I forgot the / tag.

*throws beach ball at 5 miles/sec*
Catch!
:P

105 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:41:52pm

re: #102 William Barnett-Lewis

Existence by Brin starts that way.

Finished The Big Rich and am on to The Day of the Triffids.

106 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:44:05pm

re: #56 Political Atheist

My faves in bold

Sorry, but a Muslim Secretary of State? Not only a Muslim, but Muslim, Black and a Democrat.... ROFL

// I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing at the thought of the massive freakout that would happen on the right (and probably with a few in the center and on the left too), but mostly the wingnut 'splodey heads.

It's not gonna happen. Not in my lifetime. Hell, I'm just happy I lived long enough to see a Black POTUS, because I truly never thought I would.

re: #58 wrenchwench

Ellison would cause a freakout the likes of which we have not yet seen. I vote yes.

Actually, I don't think "freakout" can even remotely accurately convey what the reaction would be. We'd have to make up a new term for it.

107 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:45:49pm

re: #25 Mad Prophet Ludwig

The points of your post were debated.

Whatever. Logging out again. Piss-poor apology not accepted.

108 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:47:40pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

Actually, I don't think "freakout" can even remotely accurately convey what the reaction would be. We'd have to make up a new term for it.

It would make Richard Wagner operas look subtle and understated.

109 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:50:53pm

re: #96 A Man for all Seasons

Gosh.. I forgot the / tag.

I wondered. But there have been a number of brush fires here in the past few months based out of comments that did not include reading the material linked to, or comments made that you think were being sarcastic, but apparently were not.

The comment was a little outside the behavior envelope I usually see from you. So it was perhaps hasty, incomplete, or typed in by Winston.

110 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:52:22pm

re: #104 Varek Raith

*throws beach ball at 5 miles/sec*
Catch!
:P

Though a big beach ball with some reserve oxygen tanks is a good idea for a emergency rescue mechanism in space. A sort of quick lifeboat.

111 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:52:39pm

Noam Chomsky for SoS!

//

112 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:52:57pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

Sorry, but a Muslim Secretary of State? Not only a Muslim, but Muslim, Black and a Democrat.... ROFL

// I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing at the thought of the massive freakout that would happen on the right (and probably with a few in the center and on the left too), but mostly the wingnut 'splodey heads.

It's not gonna happen. Not in my lifetime. Hell, I'm just happy I lived long enough to see a Black POTUS, because I truly never thought I would.

re: #58 wrenchwench

Actually, I don't think "freakout" can even remotely accurately convey what the reaction would be. We'd have to make up a new term for it.

The wingnuts are predictable, so it should be easily possible for Obama and the Democrats to deliberately attempt to set off the wingularity. Telling the GOP the debt ceiling is irrelevant because of the 14th amendment, combined with a few juicy nominations (especially if SCOTUS is involved) ought to do it.

It might be what the country needs --- see the RW nuts fly the freak flag louder and prouder than they have ever done before.

113 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:54:51pm

re: #92 erik_t

Pretty unlikely the current on-orbit X-37 has anything like the delta-V required to go get the thing, even if we wanted to. I don't know if we have another that's launch-ready.

Also it's probably illegal or whatever.

You are probably right but the timing of the AF launch was rather nicely near the launch window for the DPRK device. It crossed my mind that might not be a coincidence. Plus grabbing anything tumbling is a huge challenge.

But in theory, if an out of control sat in low orbit needed to be taken care of that is the bird for it. I would hope the necessity would take care of the legality.

If the DPRK just wanted to muck up low orbit with debris now they apparently could. A cargo of copper bb's could really screw things up is that theory is correct that Charles linked. "Area denial"=low orbit.

114 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:55:00pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

Sorry, but a Muslim Secretary of State? Not only a Muslim, but Muslim, Black and a Democrat.... ROFL

// I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing at the thought of the massive freakout that would happen on the right (and probably with a few in the center and on the left too), but mostly the wingnut 'splodey heads.

It's not gonna happen. Not in my lifetime. Hell, I'm just happy I lived long enough to see a Black POTUS, because I truly never thought I would.

re: #58 wrenchwench

Actually, I don't think "freakout" can even remotely accurately convey what the reaction would be. We'd have to make up a new term for it.

I don't know. I think there may be some progress in the next few years.

I like to think wishfully.

115 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:55:22pm

re: #108 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

It would make Richard Wagner operas look subtle and understated.

Right wing freakouts will need a broader variety of tubas if they want to step to Wagner.

116 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:57:35pm

re: #111 Gus

Noam Chomsky for SoS!

//

Soros for SoS!!!!

//

117 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:58:08pm

re: #113 Political Atheist

You are probably right but the timing of the AF launch was rather nicely near the launch window for the DPRK device. It crossed my mind that might not be a coincidence. Plus grabbing anything tumbling is a huge challenge.

But in theory, if an out of control sat in low orbit needed to be taken care of that is the bird for it. I would hope the necessity would take care of the legality.

If the DPRK just wanted to muck up low orbit with debris now they apparently could. A cargo of copper bb's could really screw things up is that theory is correct that Charles linked. "Area denial"=low orbit.

You could bet that the military has run that sort of scenario through the grinder a number of times. Would be a good staff exercise to work out the contingencies generated by another power shot-gunning low orbit to disable satellite capabilities while something is heating up politically on the surface.

118 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:59:09pm

re: #108 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

It would make Richard Wagner operas look subtle and understated.

Hahahaha!

re: #112 EPR-radar

The wingnuts are predictable, so it should be easily possible for Obama and the Democrats to deliberately attempt to set off the wingularity. Telling the GOP the debt ceiling is irrelevant because of the 14th amendment, combined with a few juicy nominations (especially if SCOTUS is involved) ought to do it.

It might be what the country needs --- see the RW nuts fly the freak flag louder and prouder than they have ever done before.

Oh gosh, a Muslim SCOTUS appointment?? Can you imagine?

TEH CREEPING SHARIA—IT'S HEEEEEREEEE!!11!

119 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:59:09pm

Michigan Police Scratch Their Heads At Fox Contributor’s Post-Punch Media Tour

“There is video footage of him being assaulted. We don’t know who the suspect is, but we could do a several month investigation and find the suspect,” Inspector Gene Adamczyk, spokesperson for the state police, told TPM on Thursday. “But if Mr. Crowder is not going to prosecute, we have not gained anything, we’ve wasted resources.”

So far Crowder has not sought out police help after he was hit. Adamczyk pointed out he’s instead turned the video into a national conservative media tour.

“I saw Mr. Crowder’s interview on Sean Hannity and he wants to have an MMA-sanctioned fight with this individual,” he said. Crowder told Hannity that if the suspect doesn’t come forward for the MMA fight (which he said would be held for charity), Crowder would “press charges.”

Adamczyk did not sound impressed by the plan.
...
Adamczyk doesn’t understand why Crowder wouldn’t report the crime to the police and get the perpetrator prosecuted. He stressed that the MSP will not go forward with an investigation unless a crime is reported, and “there are all types of personal reasons” people sometimes don’t report a crime, he said.

“If somebody broke into your house, wouldn’t you immediately report it to the police? If someone assaulted you or your family member wouldn’t you report it immediately to the police?” Adamczyk said. “Well, why wouldn’t you, unless there’s a personal agenda there.”

120 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:59:20pm

re: #113 Political Atheist

If the DPRK just wanted to muck up low orbit with debris now they apparently could. A cargo of copper bb's could really screw things up is that theory is correct that Charles linked. "Area denial"=low orbit.

They could. Such a move would make then de facto active enemies of civilization, and I have no doubts that the regime would see a swift end. I suspect Lil' Kim runs everything by the Chinese first, and that they'd tell him they'd nuke him themselves if he pulled something like that.

Which I think would be the right level of force, frankly. The human impact of merely weather satellites, never mind everything else space-borne, is nearly incalculable.

121 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 2:59:42pm

re: #117 Feline Fearless Leader

You could bet that the military has run that sort of scenario through the grinder a number of times. Would be a good staff exercise to work out the contingencies generated by another power shot-gunning low orbit to disable satellite capabilities while something is heating up politically on the surface.

Praise Jeebus and thank God for SM-3.

122 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:00:24pm

re: #116 William Barnett-Lewis

Soros for SoS!!!!

//

I got an idea. Bill Clinton!

123 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:01:11pm

re: #114 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I don't know. I think there may be some progress in the next few years.

I like to think wishfully.

Frankly, I'd like to see a woman POTUS next.

124 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:04:06pm

re: #122 Gus

I got an idea. Bill Clinton!

Colin Powell?

125 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:04:35pm

re: #124 William Barnett-Lewis

Colin Powell?

Iraq War!!11ty

126 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:07:15pm

re: #122 Gus

That's not a bad idea at all.

127 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:08:28pm

Florida prison guard beats 15 year old inmate on camera, keeps job

A guard at a juvenile prison found herself behind bars this week after she was caught on tape battering a teenage detainee.

Although the encounter got Shannon Linn Abbott arrested, it didn’t get her fired. The 33-year-old bailed out and was back on the job right afterward and supervising children, to the extreme dismay of the Department of Juvenile Justice.

On Tuesday, a DJJ administrator formally asked the privately managed youth prison’s director to remove the guard from all access to children.

“It is our expectation, at the very least, that this staff member will have no contact with youth in any of our programs,” wrote Laura K. Moneyham, a DJJ assistant secretary.

The incident marks the third time in recent years that workers at a Florida juvenile justice lockup have been videotaped while abusing or neglecting a child in state custody.

128 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:08:55pm

re: #126 Political Atheist

That's not a bad idea at all.

We know he's good at the job already.

129 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:10:28pm

SUSAN RICE WITHDRAWAL WAS AN INSIDE JOB MAN!

//

130 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:14:03pm

Well lookie here. It's from November but...

131 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:15:09pm

Michigan GOP reinstates Union busting law voted down by ballot initiative in November

Michigan’s House Republicans today passed a new version of the “emergency manager” law that voters repealed via ballot referendum in November. The initial version gave broader powers to state-appointed emergency managers who oversee townships that are struggling financially.

Among those powers was the ability to void union contracts and labor agreements. The new version, introduced by state Rep. Al Pscholka (R), makes small changes but still includes the provision granting the manager authority over labor contracts, as the Detroit Free Press reports:

The bill says an emergency manager will have the power to undertake “the modification, rejection, termination and renegotiation of contracts.”

The ability for an emergency manager to break or terminate collective bargaining agreements under certain circumstances was one of the most controversial aspects of PA 4.

But Pscholka said a key difference is that the new bill “gives a choice to local officials … on how to keep their heads above water.”

132 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:15:57pm
133 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:16:42pm
134 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:17:24pm

Double post. Refresh for another "punching" Tweet from Crowder.

135 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:17:27pm

re: #133 Gus

[Embedded content]

His face punches people? How does that work?

136 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:17:31pm

re: #120 erik_t
Well anyone can track the NORK sat
[Link: www.n2yo.com...]

But the kinda classified AF bird is not showing. Have to wait for those clever sat observer guys who outed it's orbit in the past.

137 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:18:20pm
138 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:18:51pm
139 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:19:14pm
140 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:19:24pm

Someone's got a real hard-on for violence.

141 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:21:39pm

re: #139 Gus

[Embedded content]

I wonder why such a one man wrecking crew hasn't done the patriotic thing by joining the military and winning the war in Afghanistan single handedly.

142 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:24:04pm

By the way, there's a higher-resolution video of the Bill O'Reilly segment now at Fox, and it really does look like Crowder shoved the union protester, from behind. Either Crowder or someone right next to him knocked the guy to the ground, and it was pretty clear that the guy thought it was Crowder. Went right for him.

Check the clip starting at about 1:32. The shove happens at about 1:45, and Crowder's extended arm is clearly visible although you don't see the actual contact.

Violence in Michigan | Fox News Video

143 erik_t  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:24:49pm

re: #136 Political Atheist

Well anyone can track the NORK sat
[Link: www.n2yo.com...]

But the kinda classified AF bird is not showing. Have to wait for those clever sat observer guys who outed it's orbit in the past.

Speaking strictly from probability, I would be very surprised if the orbits are compatible. We'd have to know the DPRK's expected payload weight, launch direction, and desired altitude to unlikely precision, and we'd also have to assume they actually managed to hit those targets.

But who knows, maybe we did.

144 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:25:36pm

re: #127 Kragar

Florida prison guard beats 15 year old inmate on camera, keeps job

Yeah, Private Prisons are the way to go.

145 allegro  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:26:12pm

re: #140 erik_t

Someone's got a real hard-on for violence.

A very tiny one.

146 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:26:31pm

biab

147 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:26:55pm

re: #139 Gus

Steven Crowder
@scrowder

Thank God leftists hide on the interwebz. Today, I would need to be peeled off their near-lifeless, pummeled corpses.

lol

148 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:26:55pm

bbl

149 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:28:04pm

hey crowder u mad bro?

150 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:28:29pm

I don't know why I'm suddenly in lower case troll mode. Ok, I'll knock it off.

151 RadicalModerate  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:33:49pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel

Massive pseudo-science derp at Freeperland:

Forensics profiler deconstructs Barack Obama

These are the people who reject evolution, climate change and (in many cases) the reality of the Moon landings.

Doing a Google search of Andrew G. Hodges didn't get any hits at all from scientific or legal websites regarding his work (at least not on the first 10 pages I saw). Found a lot of hits on WND, freeperland, the violently racist Godfatherpolitics, and pretty much a who's who of wingnut conspiracy/kookery pages though.

152 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:39:25pm

re: #101 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Really, it would be better not to have another female rice as SOS so close in succession. History would get so mucked-up as a result. One historian would attribute a quote to Susan when it was really Condi and so on. . . .

:0

This also sounds like an excellent argument against electing another President Bush any time soon.

153 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:40:08pm

Off to the bar for the Lower Alabama Democratic Victory Party!!

(Yes, we're still celebrating.)

154 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:40:49pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Did you see the comments earlier about possibly slowing down the slideshow on the lightbox images or maybe pausing it on mouseover?

155 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:43:43pm

re: #154 CuriousLurker

Did you see the comments earlier about possibly slowing down the slideshow on the lightbox images or maybe pausing it on mouseover?

Oh, there's a little undocumented feature there - just hit the space bar to pause the slideshow, hit it again to continue.

156 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:44:21pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

Oh, there's a little undocumented feature there - just hit the space bar to pause the slideshow, hit it again to continue.

Undocumented features are my favorite kind.

157 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:46:07pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

Oh, there's a little undocumented feature there - just hit the space bar to pause the slideshow, hit it again to continue.

Ohhhh, okay. I'll tell b_sharp next time I see him. Or maybe I should just send him a tweet now.

158 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:46:33pm

What Democrats Care About and The Future Of Health Care

what the thinking wingnut is thinking

"the debate over the fiscal cliff is really a debate about the size and scope of government"

The debate was held on Nov. 6, 2012, and the small govt lost.

The majority didn't care about the increase in welfare and disability claims, the hike in unemployment rate, the collapse of our foreign policies either. They cared more about Big Bird and Sandra's free condoms. When insurance premiums double and triple, and more people are uninsured, they will blame the heartless Big Insurers and clamored for Obama's single payer.

159 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:46:57pm

re: #157 CuriousLurker

Ohhhh, okay. I'll tell b_sharp next time I see him. Or maybe I should just send him a tweet now.

Arrow keys also work to step forward and back through the pictures, Escape exits.

160 jaunte  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:46:57pm

re: #139 Gus

Crowder has Poed himself.

161 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:49:38pm

re: #111 Gus

Noam Chomsky for SoS!

//

This would be a good way to make wingnut heads explode, if they had ever heard of him.

Who or what the HAY-UHL is "Gnome Chimpy?" Some Evil-oo-shunist's stage name, I'll bet.

162 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:50:48pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

By the way, there's a higher-resolution video of the Bill O'Reilly segment now at Fox, and it really does look like Crowder shoved the union protester, from behind. Either Crowder or someone right next to him knocked the guy to the ground, and it was pretty clear that the guy thought it was Crowder. Went right for him.

Check the clip starting at about 1:32. The shove happens at about 1:45, and Crowder's extended arm is clearly visible although you don't see the actual contact.

Violence in Michigan | Fox News Video

Looks to me like someone else pushed him. Crowder turns his back to the guy and a someone in a hard hat moves in between them as the camera pans to the left. He wasn't in a position to push the guy.

163 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:52:07pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

Arrow keys also work to step forward and back through the pictures, Escape exits.

Cool--good to know. Thx.

164 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:53:30pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Looks to me like someone else pushed him. Crowder turns his back to the guy and a someone in a hard hat moves in between them as the camera pans to the left. He wasn't in a position to push the guy.

At 1:40 on, you can clearly see that Crowder is facing in the direction the guy must have been walking when he was shoved from behind.

165 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:53:31pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

hey crowder u mad bro?

Sure likes to talk about punching people and pummeling a lot. Strange, that.

166 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 3:57:13pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Don't know if you saw it but Crowder has already admitted he was pushing people at the scene.

167 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:03:03pm

re: #165 Gus

Sure likes to talk about punching people and pummeling a lot. Strange, that.

Interviewer: Steve, how are you, my friend?
Crowder: I'm overworked, overtrained, under-rested and apparently still tough enough to take a full shot in the button from a union thug, so it's another day above ground.

Man has issues.

168 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:03:35pm

[Michigan] State Senate approves 'moral objection' bill that would allow providers to deny health care 12/6/12

Health care providers could use a “moral objection” or “matter of conscience” standard to refuse service to patients under a bill passed by the state Senate today.

By a 26-12 vote, the Senate approved the bill, which would allow health care providers -- as a matter of conscience -- to decline services they object to. It also would allow employers to refuse to pay for services for their employees that “violated the payer's conscience."

The state already has a conscientious objection clause for abortion services, but the new law also could give the green light to doctors to refuse to write birth control prescriptions and opens the door to a refusal of service for all sorts of ailments, said state Sen. Roger Kahn, R-Saginaw.

Kahn, a cardiologist who was the only Republican to join most of the Democrats to vote against the bill, said it shouldn’t be up to health care providers to refuse service based on their own moral beliefs.

“I don’t know how this doesn’t violate the oath I took, when I promised to resuscitate someone with TB or treat someone with AIDS,” he said.

169 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:03:45pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

Don't know if you saw it but Crowder has already admitted he was pushing people at the scene.

I saw that. Doesn't really change my opinion much. If they had a permit for the space or had the right to have the tent there then I suppose they probably have the right to stop people from tearing it down. Although it doesn't look like the guy who was pushed was messing with the tent and it doesn't appear to me that Crowder was the one who pushed him. Who pushed him and why? I have no idea.

170 dragonath  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:05:29pm

I don't get this news. Why would Senate Republicans be any more charitable towards Kerry? And if she couldn't confront these clowns though the Senate confirmation process, how serious was her candidacy in the first place?

171 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:06:38pm

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FISA or sweeping new warrantless surveillance powers should read this page by researchok.

172 ProMayaLiberal  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:06:51pm

re: #53 Gus

Oh look, a hypocritical wankpancake,

173 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:07:27pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

I saw that. Doesn't really change my opinion much. If they had a permit for the space or had the right to have the tent there then I suppose they probably have the right to stop people from tearing it down.

What a weird conception of rights. They have the right to call the cops. Escalating the situation into violence isn't their right, no.

174 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:08:35pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

As I said, it may not have been Crowder - you don't see the actual contact. But he was definitely in a position to do it. If it wasn't him, it was one of the wingnuts he was with. Crowder said "we were pushing people."

175 ProMayaLiberal  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:09:15pm

re: #75 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I say that some sort of retaliation for possibly inciting Kessler Syndrome is warranted.

176 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:09:15pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

And no, they don't have a right to physically shove people away from the tent under any circumstances.

177 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:13:08pm

I think a lot of people get confused between "I have a right to do this" and "It's understandable if I do this."

If someone pushed me at a bar, and I push him back, I'm not going to get in trouble for it even though I don't have the 'right' to do it. He already violated my rights, he clearly provoked it, and we have room for interpretation and circumstance in the law. That doesn't mean the law is okaying shoving people back-- just like it's not okay for this guy to get up and start swinging just because he's been pushed to the ground. Self-defense is allowed, but self-defense doesn't mean just tusslin'.

178 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:13:22pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

And no, they don't have a right to physically shove people away from the tent under any circumstances.

I keep coming back to wondering how they got permission to put that tent there anyway. Standard practice pretty much everywhere is to keep protest/counter-protest separate. So was there a license for the tent in a protest area, and if there was was it by mistake of the license givers or misrepresentation of the tent owners?

179 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:13:37pm

re: #175 ProGunLiberal

I say that some sort of retaliation for possibly inciting Kessler Syndrome is warranted.

You would think so. Mucking up low orbit would be a bit like mucking up a huge stretch of international waters. That won't go unpunished.

180 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:14:44pm

re: #178 kirkspencer

I keep coming back to wondering how they got permission to put that tent there anyway. Standard practice pretty much everywhere is to keep protest/counter-protest separate. So was there a license for the tent in a protest area, and if there was was it by mistake of the license givers or misrepresentation of the tent owners?

Maybe it was the hot dog guy's. Thousands of protesters about would obviously be good for business.
/

181 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:14:47pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

And no, they don't have a right to physically shove people away from the tent under any circumstances.

I'll take your word for it, I'm not familiar with local laws on that sort of thing.

182 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:17:03pm

re: #168 The Ghost of a Flea

[Michigan] State Senate approves 'moral objection' bill that would allow providers to deny health care 12/6/12

Can I exercise my "moral objection" to prevent my tax dollars from supporting GOP backed laws?

183 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:22:27pm

The American legal system doesn't work that way, you fucking idiot.

184 Mattand  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:25:02pm

re: #183 Kragar

[Embedded content]

The American legal system doesn't work that way, you fucking idiot.

Please tweet that to Crowder.

185 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:25:09pm

re: #183 Kragar

Also, the guy he's threatening has gray hair.

186 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:25:13pm

re: #183 Kragar

[Embedded content]

The American legal system doesn't work that way, you fucking idiot.

Now there's someone the GOP needs. How can anyone NOT take him seriously?

//

187 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:25:53pm

re: #177 Obdicut

I think a lot of people get confused between "I have a right to do this" and "It's understandable if I do this."

...

Blowback from US adventures in the middle east is the most spectacular example of this.

There's all the difference in the world between:

1) 9/11 is justified by US mid-east adventures, and

2) 9/11 is comprehensible in view of US mid-east adventures.

188 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:26:46pm

re: #184 Mattand

Please tweet that to Crowder.

I don't twit.

189 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:26:52pm

re: #183 Kragar

[Embedded content]

The American legal system doesn't work that way, you fucking idiot.

I remember this sort of strut from junior high and high school.

Given what we know, I think I'd like to see the other guy bring charges on Mr. Crowder and watch him spasm.

190 ProMayaLiberal  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:26:52pm

I don't get why we have people who complain about the purge of the Serbians after Operation Storm, but completely ignore the preceding cleansing and rape camps against the Bosnians?

What happened after Operation Storm was something called blowback. Because of this, I cannot get worked up about it.

I do get worked up at stories about Rape Camps though. Would love to meet a Serb, and find out their thoughts on the 90's there. Right now, I have Biden's opinion on this.

191 Mattand  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:27:28pm

re: #188 Kragar

I don't twit.

You should make the exception in this case :)

192 RadicalModerate  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:28:51pm

re: #168 The Ghost of a Flea

[Michigan] State Senate approves 'moral objection' bill that would allow providers to deny health care 12/6/12

This is a horrible, horrible piece of legislation. From what I can see, there is no criteria in place as to what would constitute a proper "moral objection". For example, you could very well see cases where pregnant women were denied care because she was unmarried, employers having clauses written into their health plans stating that STDs would not be covered, or even worse, denial of services to children of mixed-race couples simply because they think that miscegenation is immoral.

193 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:28:57pm

re: #185 Obdicut

Crowder not scared to punch an old man in the name of Corporate Capitalism.

194 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:29:29pm

re: #193 Kragar

Crowder not scared to punch an old man in the name of Corporate Capitalism.

Can I tweet that?

195 jaunte  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:29:43pm

Crowder's comedy act confuses me. If he's trying to be a right wing version of Andy Kaufman, he needs to get much weirder.

196 Mattand  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:29:53pm
197 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:30:42pm

re: #193 Kragar

Crowder not scared to punch an old man in the name of Corporate Capitalism.

Do you suppose he realizes that if he fights the guy, this time he doesn't get to start with a shot to the back?

198 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:31:10pm

re: #192 RadicalModerate

This is a horrible, horrible piece of legislation. From what I can see, there is no criteria in place as to what would constitute a proper "moral objection". For example, you could very well see cases where pregnant women were denied care because she was unmarried, employers having clauses written into their health plans stating that STDs would not be covered, or even worse, denial of services to children of mixed-race couples simply because they think that miscegenation is immoral.

Next up, bring back indentured servitude. Make sure these low-lives that actually have to work for a living know their place. //dripping

199 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:31:39pm

Reposting from earlier:

Michigan police question Crowder's story

“I saw Mr. Crowder’s interview on Sean Hannity and he wants to have an MMA-sanctioned fight with this individual,” he said. Crowder told Hannity that if the suspect doesn’t come forward for the MMA fight (which he said would be held for charity), Crowder would “press charges.”

Adamczyk did not sound impressed by the plan.

“You can’t leverage the law for personal gain,” he said. “Either you’re the victim, or you’re not. So if he’s the victim of an assault, and he wants to file a complaint, we will definitely investigate it.”
...
The unedited footage shows “the man who punched Mr. Crowder being knocked to the ground seconds before and then getting up and taking a swing at the comedian,” the Times reported.

Adamczyk doesn’t understand why Crowder wouldn’t report the crime to the police and get the perpetrator prosecuted. He stressed that the MSP will not go forward with an investigation unless a crime is reported, and “there are all types of personal reasons” people sometimes don’t report a crime, he said.

“If somebody broke into your house, wouldn’t you immediately report it to the police? If someone assaulted you or your family member wouldn’t you report it immediately to the police?” Adamczyk said. “Well, why wouldn’t you, unless there’s a personal agenda there.”

Crowder won't officially report it because if an investigation uncovers he started it, he's fucked.

200 Mattand  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:31:58pm

re: #196 Mattand

Of course, I had to go and misspell "acumen". Oh, well.

201 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:32:13pm

re: #109 Feline Fearless Leader

I wondered. But there have been a number of brush fires here in the past few months based out of comments that did not include reading the material linked to, or comments made that you think were being sarcastic, but apparently were not.

The comment was a little outside the behavior envelope I usually see from you. So it was perhaps hasty, incomplete, or typed in by Winston.

I thought it was funny. So lets just blame this on Winston. :)

202 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:32:13pm

re: #194 b_sharp

Can I tweet that?

Sure, go ahead.

203 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:32:42pm

re: #193 Kragar

Crowder not scared to punch an old man in the name of Corporate Capitalism.

Nothing like calling a guy a 'goo tub' and then bragging that you could take him.

204 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:33:42pm

YouTube/Google is trying to make you change your user name to your real name again, logged me out and when I logged back in it came up with my user name as my gmail address. When I opened my profile it came up with my real full name as a suggested user name and then told me if I edited it there it would edit it to be the same on ALL Google sites!

WTFF?

205 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:35:24pm

re: #204 watching you tiny alien kittens are

YouTube/Google is trying to make you change your user name to your real name again, logged me out and when I logged back in it came up with my user name as my gmail address. When I opened my profile it came up with my real full name as a suggested user name and then told me if I edited it there it would edit it to be the same on ALL Google sites!

WTFF?

No clue about this specific issue, but Google's interpretation of their "don't be evil" motto seems to be getting questionable.

206 ProMayaLiberal  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:35:46pm

re: #190 ProGunLiberal

Every time I read this, I become physically ill.

The women knew the rapes would begin when 'Marš na Drinu' was played over the loudspeaker of the main mosque. ('Mars na Drinu,' or 'March on the Drina', is reportedly a former Chetnik fighting song that was banned during the Tito years.) While 'Mars na Drinu' was playing, the women were ordered to strip and soldiers entered the homes taking the ones they wanted. The age of women taken ranged from 12 to 60. Frequently the soldiers would seek out mother and daughter combinations. Many of the women were severely beaten during the rapes.

That is from one of the reports on War Crimes from the aftermath of the Bosnian War.

207 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:36:52pm

re: #203 wrenchwench

Nothing like calling a guy a 'goo tub' and then bragging that you could take him.

One of Crowder's earlier twits was tagged "WhyIFight".

The self entitled little poseur hasn't fought for a fucking thing his entire life. He's an actor with a gimmick and a chip on his shoulder. If he's such an all around bad ass, he should head down to the his local recruiter and enlist. Nothing is stopping him.

208 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:38:01pm

re: #205 EPR-radar

No clue about this specific issue, but Google's interpretation of their "don't be evil" motto seems to be getting questionable.

I laugh every time Google reminds me to supply them with all my personal info so they can "keep it safe for me."

209 ProMayaLiberal  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:41:04pm

Well, Eclectablog just broke Godwin's Law.

210 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:42:47pm
211 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:43:49pm

re: #210 Gus

[Embedded content]

It begins, Obama's official declaration of war against Christmas.

212 ProMayaLiberal  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:47:37pm

re: #206 ProGunLiberal

I also realized something that I had missed before.

When reading that closer, I realized that those events occured in a mosque.

Doing something like that in a faith's buildings is defiling a sacred place. That is pure evil.

213 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:48:47pm

The "Palestinian section of the CIA”? *headdesk*

SI man accused of slaying B'klyn shopkeepers says he was a CIA operative ordered to kill

The deranged Staten Island man accused of gunning down three Brooklyn shopkeepers execution-style bizarrely told cops he was a CIA operative ordered to kill Jews by Arab men who paid him for his role in the murders, explosive court documents revealed yesterday.

After his arrest, Salvatore Perrone, 64, told investigators he was working for the “Palestinian section of the CIA” and that he watched while two different Middle Eastern men he met at the Knights of Columbus shot and killed his first two victims.

Perrone even claimed that one of the Middle Eastern men — identified in court papers as “Mr. C” — insulted his masculinity and forced him at gunpoint to stab the second victim, according to court papers released after Perrone’s arraignment in Brooklyn Supreme Court.

“He tells Sal that he is Arabic and he has balls, insulting him by saying that Italians have no balls,” Perrone crazily claimed to cops, according to court papers. [...]

214 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:49:16pm

re: #197 kirkspencer

Do you suppose he realizes that if he fights the guy, this time he doesn't get to start with a shot to the back?

Not to mention the amazing irrelevance of a fist fight to policy issues. It's like they are pining for Idiocracy, where POTUS is the winner of a cage match.

215 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:50:07pm

Netflix's list of Holiday movies: A few traditional Christmas movies, a few dozen assorted Disney or family Christmasy type movies, and The Hebrew Hammer.

216 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:51:38pm

re: #213 CuriousLurker

The "Palestinian section of the CIA”? *headdesk*

Interesting how the wingnuts got all silent about that case.

217 Petero1818  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:51:49pm

On the bright side, since she is no longer in the running, she should feel free to tell McCain et al to go fuck themselves.

218 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:52:03pm

re: #211 Kragar

It begins, Obama's official declaration of war against Christmas.

Yay!

219 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:52:36pm

re: #218 b_sharp

Yay!

Doesn't seem to be working. Maybe Obama nixed it. //

220 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:53:07pm

No wait. There it is.

221 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:54:45pm

re: #211 Kragar

It begins, Obama's official declaration of war against Christmas.

Well that should please Ron Paul.

222 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:54:58pm

re: #220 Gus

No wait. There it is.

It's pretty small, it wouldn't be hard to miss.

223 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:56:40pm

HOORAY! GOVERNMENT ACTION ON A REAL PROBLEM!

‘Turn that down!’ FCC orders TV ads to lower volume

In the end it took an act of Congress, but US television advertisers are finally required to do something parents have been pleading for for decades: turn down their excessively loud ads.

“A small bill with a big impact for the American consumer” is how Representative Ann Eshoo described the CALM Act, which came into force on Thursday to the blessed relief of countless television watchers.

“TV is about to become quieter,” she said.

For years Americans have endured television with excessively loud commercials, but the CALM Act — short for Commercial Advertisement Loudness Mitigation — is changing that.

“The rules adopted today require that commercials have the same average volume as the programs they accompany,” the Federal Communications Commission, which Congress empowered to enforce the new measures, said in a statement.

224 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:57:50pm

re: #168 The Ghost of a Flea

[Michigan] State Senate approves 'moral objection' bill that would allow providers to deny health care 12/6/12

The actual bill (SB 975) is here.

It's worse than you think.

225 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:01:34pm

re: #213 CuriousLurker

The "Palestinian section of the CIA”? *headdesk*

Gee thanks, Crazy Man.

226 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:02:45pm

re: #216 Gus

Interesting how the wingnuts got all silent about that case.

Remember when all the news stations had a drawing of a black guy? Outrage ensued. Turned out to me white crazy Italian dude.

227 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:02:56pm

Oh and heeeeeeey everyone.

228 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:04:09pm

Forecast for tonight here:

Chance of rain 80%. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch.

That'll double our total rainfall for the last six months. It will probably evaporate on contact. Then the humidity might hit double digits! Whoo hoo!

229 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:04:53pm

re: #213 CuriousLurker

So he met the Palestinian Jew-murderers at the Knights of Columbus, eh? That makes sense. Probably a flapjack social.

230 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:06:45pm

re: #223 Kragar

HOORAY! GOVERNMENT ACTION ON A REAL PROBLEM!

‘Turn that down!’ FCC orders TV ads to lower volume

This gives us evidence that wingnuts retain some vestiges of humanity. Unanimous in the Senate, and passed by voice vote in the house. Nobody, not even a House Republican wanted to get in the way of this.

Since the House sponsor was Anna Eshoo, this must have been a real sacrifice.

231 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:08:34pm

re: #225 Stanghazi

Gee thanks, Crazy Man.

I'm still trying to figure out what Arab guys would've been doing at a Knights of Columbus Hall. I'm guessing this is what it looks like when there's a convergence of psychosis & anti-Semitism. Good grief, three dead. And during the holidays too—sad for their families.

232 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:08:43pm

re: #230 EPR-radar

Try shouting Anna Eshoo real loud. Feels good.

233 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:09:16pm

re: #229 Obdicut

So he met the Palestinian Jew-murderers at the Knights of Columbus, eh? That makes sense. Probably a flapjack social.

Heh, yeah, that's the part I couldn't figure out.

234 Kragar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:12:38pm

re: #232 Obdicut

Try shouting Anna Eshoo real loud. Feels good.

Bless you.

235 Petero1818  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:16:18pm

Speaking of really bizarre murderers and murder plots....
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

236 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:21:04pm

re: #228 wrenchwench

Forecast for tonight here:

That'll double our total rainfall for the last six months. It will probably evaporate on contact. Then the humidity might hit double digits! Whoo hoo!

Today I had the San Diego it's raining! Raining! morning. Fucking treacherous drive into work. Roads flooded, windshield washers at full blast, still couldn't see. Semis blowing spray over you . It was cray cray.

Funny the way home (no rain) people were hauling ass, no jam, probably because everyone was not going to repeat the morning. No way no how.

237 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:22:53pm
238 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:24:03pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

Isn't his bio=comedian?

First clue right wingnuts.

239 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:28:03pm

This is what Crowder was doing at the Michigan protest -- the guy who punched him is also in this video.

240 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:29:27pm

This is what Dana Loesch was doing yesterday:

[Link: danaloeschradio.com...]

241 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:33:05pm

re: #215 Kragar

Netflix's list of Holiday movies: A few traditional Christmas movies, a few dozen assorted Disney or family Christmasy type movies, and The Hebrew Hammer.

Hebrew Hammer! Haven't watched that in years.

242 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:34:42pm

re: #199 Kragar

Reposting from earlier:

Michigan police question Crowder's story

Crowder won't officially report it because if an investigation uncovers he started it, he's fucked.

Yup, that article confirms that Crowder never even reported this to the police. Instead he went on Fox News and challenged the union guy to a fight, and complained that the cops weren't doing anything.

243 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:35:00pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

This is what Dana Loesch was doing yesterday:

[Link: danaloeschradio.com...]

Yeah. I just watched that video and figured out his name just now. Thing is that the can make more money this way. If they pressed charges the whole thing would fizzle. Instead, they now have their road show.

244 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:37:21pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

This is what Dana Loesch was doing yesterday:

[Link: danaloeschradio.com...]

Not only that but how does one "offer money for info leading to arrest." How does that work? You collect money for the cops? It's a freaking scam. You file charges and give the cops a copy of the video and the guys name. It's a scam like Lee Stranahan taking money from people for imaginary documentaries. They're a bunch of lowlifes.

245 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:41:53pm

re: #243 Gus

Yeah. I just watched that video and figured out his name just now. Thing is that the can make more money this way. If they pressed charges the whole thing would fizzle. Instead, they now have their road show.

I think these idiots are really damaging their credibility, even further. Sure, a lot of right wingers don't care about the truth, but notice that the main news channels pretty much ignored the whole Crowder punch story. They know better than to trust a third-string Breitbart clown, especially when his video "evidence" is so obviously edited. The most common reaction I saw on Twitter to this story when it broke was extreme skepticism, because the source was a laughably obvious right wing operative.

And now that the New York Times had a "blog" post about it, this last stunt is definitely not going to improve that negative image. The right wing news sites have become a total joke.

246 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:42:04pm

I feel really bad for the union guy. Dude is probably freaking out. We need to start a fund for him!!! /// (I never use these, but this time it just felt right)

247 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:42:36pm



248 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:46:32pm

Rice
Holder
Common
Van Jones
Shirley Sherrod

Who am I missing?

249 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:47:03pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

I think these idiots are really damaging their credibility, even further. Sure, a lot of right wingers don't care about the truth, but notice that the main news channels pretty much ignored the whole Crowder punch story. They know better than to trust a third-string Breitbart clown, especially when his video "evidence" is so obviously edited. The most common reaction I saw on Twitter to this story when it broke was extreme skepticism, because the source was a laughably obvious right wing operative.

And now that the New York Times had a "blog" post about it, this last stunt is definitely not going to improve that negative image. The right wing news sites have become a total joke.

Andrew Breitbart was a shrill loud mouthed clown. Since his death, a lot of his dorky followers have tried to emulate his style. The end result is that they come off as bad caricatures of Andrew and Chowderhead is an example of that.

250 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:47:35pm

re: #248 Stanghazi

Rice
Holder
Common
Van Jones
Shirley Sherrod

Who am I missing?

Barack Obama.

Michelle Obama.

251 freetoken  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:48:47pm

While I was running around this afternoon and heard the news about Ms. Rice I was listening to I think the national NPR broadcast on my local public radio station.

What struck me right away was not the news itself but how it was reported. The news reader/host had on an otherwise obscure "expert" who tried to point out that there were problems with Ms. Rice because of the US (non)response in Syria, and "because of Benghazi".

I was expecting the news host to then ask what exactly there was about "Benghazi" that disqualified Ms. Rice, but no, the "news" person just accepted lock stock and barrel what the "expert" said, even though said expert did not expound on what the Benghazi claims was.

It was just another example of how lame "news" reporting has become. The bar is set really low.

252 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:48:59pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

This is what Crowder was doing at the Michigan protest -- the guy who punched him is also in this video.

[Embedded content]

He actually invokes Breitbart. What an empty, yet fitting tribute.

253 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:51:44pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

This is what Dana Loesch was doing yesterday:

[Link: danaloeschradio.com...]

Since Kilgore is obviously doing a detailed forensic analysis of the film, he should totally go after that reward!

254 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:52:18pm
255 freetoken  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:56:31pm

Maybe a sadder insight is that most Americans really don't care who is the ambassador to the UN, cannot name that person, and probably can't name more than one Secretary of State. Nor do they care.

Does that really matter?

Is it true that most societies are run by a small group of highly interested parties, and most people in the larger society just go along for the ride?

256 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 5:57:40pm

re: #249 Gus

Andrew Breitbart was a shrill loud mouthed clown. Since his death, a lot of his dorky followers have tried to emulate his style. The end result is that they come off as bad caricatures of Andrew and Chowderhead is an example of that.

As much of a wingnut boor as Andrew was, he was not a dimwit like Steven Crowder or Ben Shapiro or Dana Loesch.

257 researchok  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:02:27pm

re: #255 freetoken

OT, I saved this for you.

Something you'll appreciate, I believe.

258 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:07:00pm

re: #257 researchok

OT, I saved this for you.

Something you'll appreciate, I believe.

Hey, Freetoken: Additional Frank Sinatra Gift!!! (thanks for the opening ROK)

[Link: www.newyorksocialdiary.com...]

259 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:07:37pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

This is what Crowder was doing at the Michigan protest -- the guy who punched him is also in this video.

[Embedded content]

Sigh. Do not feed the troll applies at protests as well as on the internet.

260 alpuz  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:13:48pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

I really don't understand who Crowder is appealing to with this kind of crap. I understand there's the Breitbart nation/Malkin twitter folks, but beyond that.. who?

I spend most of my spring/summers with some conservative Wisconsin folks(my son plays baseball) and pretty much all of them would have no problem taking a swat at Crowder. Especially while he's acting like such a jackass.

I think he's gone done jumped the shark.

261 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:17:31pm

re: #260 alpuz

I really don't understand who Crowder is appealing to with this kind of crap. I understand there's the Breitbart nation/Malkin twitter folks, but beyond that.. who?

I spend most of my spring/summers with some conservative Wisconsin folks(my son plays baseball) and pretty much all of them would have no problem taking a swat at Crowder. Especially while he's acting like such a jackass.

I think he's gone done jumped the shark.

I think you may have to be a jackass yourself to really understand and appreciate Crowder's shtick.

262 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:22:14pm

re: #259 Romantic Heretic

Sigh. Do not feed the troll applies at protests as well as on the internet.

Maybe under the LGF Tools dropdown we should have the template for a protest sign simply reading "GAZE: Don't feed the troll." in green ink, with a small 'littlegreenfootballs.com' at the bottom.

263 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:30:16pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

This is what Crowder was doing at the Michigan protest -- the guy who punched him is also in this video.

[Embedded content]

If I was there, I would have punched the drummer and the vuvuzela blowers.

264 simoom  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:31:34pm
265 simoom  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:00:33pm

Apparently the Senate Dems had begun to believe there would be a GOP filibuster based on Collins' signalling:


Another argument for real filibuster reform I guess.

266 simoom  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:57:26pm



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Randall Gross
Anti-Abortion Colorado Republican Candidate Tries to Pass Himself Off as Pro-Choice
Will media actually challenge the politicians on their statements? Right to that choice...have the choice...right to choose...the way I choose: Beauprez almost sounds like a Planned Parenthood activist. But his legislative record and past statements couldn't be more at odds ...

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HamSandwich
Fatah’s Official Facebook Page Praises Jerusalem Baby Killer
Official Fatah Facebook Page

11 hours, 3 minutes ago
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FemNaziBitch
Bullied Teen Lands in Hospital After Being Beaten, School Presses Charges - Against Bullied Teen - the New Civil Rights Movement
Almost six weeks after his brutal beating, while still recovering from a traumatic brain injury, Eric Martin walked into a Virginia courtroom last week to face two assault charges. Verbally abused, harassed and bullied since the first grade in ...

22 hours, 23 minutes ago
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EiMitch
Cracked: 6 Halloween Pranks for Sociopaths With Unlimited Budgets
cracked.com America's No. 1 holiday celebrating violence and candy is just around the corner, and this year it looks to be better than ever, as the glorious union of art and technology has given us several exciting new ways to ...

2 days, 7 hours ago
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‘Pro-Life’ Group: No Ebola Vaccine if Stem Cells Are Used
A "pro-life" group called Children of God for Life is throwing a fit because Ebola vaccines currently being developed use cells derived from embryonic stem cells. Because it's totally "pro-life" to let living people die of Ebola when it ...

2 days, 16 hours ago
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Lumberhead
Moulton Underplays Military Service - Metro - the Boston Globe
This really is remarkable. I came across it over at Charlie Pierce's blog at Esquire. Imagine, a politician downplaying his heroic war record. The American political graveyard has more than a few monuments to politicians and public officials who embellished ...

3 days, 18 hours ago
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Souliren
Natalie MacMaster Fiddle school
This is a short (under two minute) video of Natalie teaching a technique for "Athole Brose," in Cape Breton style.

4 days, 12 hours ago
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MichaelJ
Amazing RED Camera Footage Kelly Slater’s 540 Air
More: Amazing RED Camera Footage Kelly Slater's 540 Air There's a reason why people refer to 11-time world champ Kelly Slater as "the king". This clip/maneuver is yet another ground-breaking moment in the history of surfing.

6 days, 9 hours ago
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Rightwingconspirator
1934 Had Worst Drought of Last Thousand Years-We Made It Worse
"It was the worst by a large margin, falling pretty far outside the normal range of variability that we see in the record," said climate scientist Ben Cook at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York. Cook ...

6 days, 17 hours ago
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blah blah ad hominem mumbo jumbo.
Daniel Johnston-True Love Will Find You In The End.
A simple, imperfect, brilliant song, by a fascinating man. Link

1 week, 4 days ago
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 Frank says:

Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!! -- A reference from "We're only in it for the money" regarding his ability to strum, sing dance, and make merry fun all over the stage!