Newtown School Massacre Updates

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Here’s another thread to keep up with breaking news from the horrific school shootings in Newtown, Connecticut. CNN’s Lisa Desjardins just posted this awful news:

UPDATE at 12/14/12 11:13:07 am

The shooter was a 20-year old man, dressed all in black. When police visited the man’s home in New Jersey, they discovered one of his parents fatally shot.

UPDATE at 12/14/12 11:32:01 am

The shooter has been identified as Ryan Lanza. (Correction @ 1:19: AP now confirms that the shooter’s name was Adam Lanza.)

UPDATE at 12/14/12 11:55:17 am

A Facebook page for a “Ryan Lanza” in Hoboken, being circulated all over the Internet, now appears to be unconnected to the shooter:

UPDATE at 12/14/12 12:04:01 pm
UPDATE at 12/14/12 5:30:06 pm

It turns out that Ryan Lanza, wrongly identified as the shooter in early reports, is Adam Lanza’s brother. See: Original Reports of Newtown School Shooter’s ID Led to Brother’s Facebook Account.

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309 comments
1 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:13:21am

Folks do yourself a favor, spend some quality time with your loved ones today. You NEVER know long you or they have left. Treasure the moments you get.

2 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:13:38am

Federal and state investigations now underway, the shooter may have ties to NJ, so there's searches/investigations now underway in both CT and NJ. However, a NJ State Police spokesman says that the report that the NJ State Police is carrying out a search in connection with the massacre is incorrect.

3 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:14:19am

I'm going to spoil my kids rotten this Christmas. I've got to focus on that or I'd just lose it.

4 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:16:02am

The school had also recently enacted new safety guidelines for access to the school.

5 Interesting Times  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:16:46am
6 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:16:56am

Shooter has been identified as Ryan Lanza.

7 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:17:48am

Officials now say the gunman acted alone.

8 boredtechindenver  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:18:22am

There is a facebook page for Ryan Lanza connected to Newtown, CT.

9 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:18:36am

I wish I had the time and money to run an experiment where I give some Joe Schmo say $3000 and a computer and see how big an arsenal (both weapons and tactical gear) can be acquired online, how quickly it arrives and how many security measures/background checks would be required to get it.

I imagine the results would be...sobering.

10 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:18:42am

re: #6 RadicalModerate

Shooter has been identified as Ryan Lanza.

His Facebook page is still up. From Newtown, Connecticut, lives in Hoboken.

11 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:19:20am

So if he lives in Hoboken, I don't think he had a child there. But he's from the town. Perhaps he went to school there?

12 aagcobb  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:20:20am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

So if he lives in Hoboken, I don't think he had a child there. But he's from the town. Perhaps he went to school there?

We'll know eventually; not much point in speculating.

13 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:21:07am

re: #6 RadicalModerate

Shooter has been identified as Ryan Lanza.

If it's him, it says "Lives in Hoboken, NJ" -- there's the New Jersey connection referenced earlier.

14 KingKenrod  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:21:16am

Michigan Legislature approves concealed carry in schools...yesterday.

Carrying concealed weapons into schools, churches and stadiums is against the law in Michigan, but it might not be for much longer.

Lawmakers in both the House and Senate approved Senate Bill 59 to allow concealed weapons in several gun-free zones Thursday, as well as doing away with county boards currently overseeing concealed pistol licensing.

"If you have pistol free zones they are actually mass murderer empowerment zones," said Steve Dulan, attorney for the Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners, who represents sportsman clubs throughout Michigan backing the bill. "If you actually look at the history, even over the past 10 years in the U.S., you find that maybe all but one mass shooting has occurred in a so-called gun free zone."

Also in the bill is a provision where Sheriffs can be sued and fined for denying a concealed carry permit.

[Link: www.petoskeynews.com...]

15 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:21:20am

The series of facts presented at this point make this at least partially premeditated. It's not a lark to arm up and go from NJ to Conn to shoot people.

16 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:21:38am

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

His Facebook page is still up. From Newtown, Connecticut, lives in Hoboken.

I saw it. Check out the recent change to his profile pic. Plenty of black, no?

17 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:21:59am

re: #5 Interesting Times

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And there's one easily-identifiable political party that will continue to fight tooth and nail to keep it that way.

18 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:22:03am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

So if he lives in Hoboken, I don't think he had a child there. But he's from the town. Perhaps he went to school there?

If he's 20 he would have had to become a father at 14-15 to have a kid in kindergarten.

It is possible, but unlikely.

19 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:22:15am

The killer's Facebook page - includes a photo of him in an all black outfit on December 9.

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

20 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:22:29am

re: #14 KingKenrod

Michigan Legislature approves concealed carry in schools...yesterday.

Also in the bill is a provision where Sheriffs can be sued and fined for denying a concealed carry permit.

[Link: www.petoskeynews.com...]

Wait, you can sue a sheriff for denying concealed carry? What kind of dumbass thinks that's honestly a good idea?

21 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:22:45am

Next will be minor storm blaming this on New Jersey and Christie being polite to Obama.
/

22 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:23:18am

re: #18 Mad Prophet Ludwig

If he's 20 he would have had to become a father at 14-15 to have a kid in kindergarten.

It is possible, but unlikely.

Yeah, it's possible but I agree unlikely.

23 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:23:24am

re: #16 dragonfire1981

I saw it. Check out the recent change to his profile pic. Plenty of black, no?

It was one of the first things that struck me.

24 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:23:32am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

The killer's Facebook page - includes a photo of him in an all black outfit on December 9.

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

Also of note: He apparently didn't update his page much. There are only a smattering of notifications for the past several YEARS.

25 celticdragon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:23:37am

My God. I am close to tears now.

What a despicable fucking coward.

I just can't. I don't even know what to say.

26 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:24:03am

re: #9 dragonfire1981

I wish I had the time and money to run an experiment where I give some Joe Schmo say $3000 and a computer and see how big an arsenal (both weapons and tactical gear) can be acquired online, how quickly it arrives and how many security measures/background checks would be required to get it.

I imagine the results would be...sobering.

Only $3,000? Not very big & a bg per firearm unless the buyer is a FFL holder. With your budget? 1 rifle, 1 pistol & accessories & ammo. Plus while you can buy a firearm from, say, Bud's Gun Shop online it is required to got to a FFL for ATF paperwork & background check. Said FFL will charge a fee of $20 - $100, depending, for the transfer.

The problem is that NICS generally doesn't have real time info on mental health problems and until that changes nothing else will.

Additionally if the shooter was 20, then the handgun(s) was purchased illegally as you are requried to be 21 to purchase a handgun in a gunstore.

27 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:24:17am

Okay, I just checked out his facebook account. Isn't it eerie how now we can get a window into the lives of murderers due to facebook? Some say that society isn't as connected as it once was but to me I think this shows that in a way it's more connected than ever.

28 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:24:23am

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

It was one of the first things that struck me.

Not much else to be gleaned from there except that he likes certain video games and apparently has an interest in theatre.

29 Interesting Times  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:24:25am
30 S'latch  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:24:32am

Nowadays, it seems there are fewer 20-year-old men than there used to be. There seems to be a lot more 20-year-old children. Of course we need to talk about gun control, but it is not even debatable that children should not be allowed to have guns. At a minimum, it would be a good start if citizens under thirty were not allowed to have them.

31 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:25:21am

re: #26 William Barnett-Lewis

Only $3,000? Not very big & a bg per firearm unless the buyer is a FFL holder. With your budget? 1 rifle, 1 pistol & accessories & ammo. Plus while you can buy a firearm from, say, Bud's Gun Shop online it is required to got to a FFL for ATF paperwork & background check. Said FFL will charge a fee of $20 - $100, depending, for the transfer.

The problem is that NICS generally doesn't have real time info on mental health problems and until that changes nothing else will.

Additionally if the shooter was 20, then the handgun(s) was purchased illegally as you are requried to be 21 to purchase a handgun in a gunstore.

Is this a Federal Law or a requirement that varies by state?

32 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:26:06am

re: #31 dragonfire1981

Is this a Federal Law or a requirement that varies by state?

I imagine it varies by state.

33 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:26:14am

I think they said his mother worked at the school as a teacher.

34 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:26:34am

The gun culture, the idea that guns are no more than toasters, that the hero kills all the bad guys without harm to himself, the idea that guns are a solution to the bad guys but not a part of the problem is at the core of this. Limiting guns will soon not be possible because of technological advances such as 3D printers where anybody can print out their own guns.

35 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:26:45am

re: #33 Joanne

I think they said his mother worked at the school as a teacher.

Hmmm was his mother the parent found killed?

36 Interesting Times  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:26:53am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

The killer's Facebook page - includes a photo of him in an all black outfit on December 9.

[DELETED as per update from Charles, it's not the shooter's page after all]

37 Khorramdin  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:27:02am

Can't go to the mall, movies or school in America anymore without fear of being shot.

38 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:27:25am

re: #31 dragonfire1981

Is this a Federal Law or a requirement that varies by state?

Federal for the Gun store. Some states, Maine for example, allows an 18 - 21 year old to purchase from a private party. Gifts are legal as well, I forgot to say before.

39 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:27:36am

The shooter's parents were in NJ.

He killed them in NJ, then drove to CT and killed the kids there.

Bloody fucking hell.

40 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:27:43am

Father is deceased in the home - fatally shot. One classroom was targeted. Possibly mom's classroom (that last part is my thought, not reported).

41 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:27:45am

re: #28 dragonfire1981

Not much else to be gleaned from there except that he likes certain video games and apparently has an interest in theatre.

Not a lot of Facebook activity, to be sure, but he doesn't seem all that abnormal. Likes video games, theater......much like the Clackamas Town Center shooter, when I checked the link to his Facebook, he didn't strike me all that out-of-the-ordinary.

42 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:28:16am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

The killer's Facebook page - includes a photo of him in an all black outfit on December 9.

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

He's got "Mass Effect" listed as one of his "likes".

Expect to hear from the usual gang of idiots calling for heavier regulation/banning of video games.

43 Lidane  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:28:34am
44 DREd  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:29:33am

Fox blaming atheists, video games and the internet.

45 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:29:50am

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

Not a lot of Facebook activity, to be sure, but he doesn't seem all that abnormal. Likes video games, theater......much like the Clackamas Town Center shooter, when I checked the link to his Facebook, he didn't strike me all that out-of-the-ordinary.

That's the thing that makes it eerie to me. This guy could be an acquaintance of mine. I guess when I think about it, this is why movies based on historic fact always scared me more than the slasher films because fact is honestly more horrifying than fiction.

46 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:29:58am

re: #44 DREd

Fox blaming atheists, video games and the internet.

So the usual suspects then.

47 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:30:15am

re: #44 DREd

Fox blaming atheists, video games and the internet.

Because it is really easy to shoot people with a modem or a controller....

Fucking Fox.

48 funky chicken  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:30:34am

NJ and CT?

The mother worked at the school. So he shoots her AND a classroom full of little kids?

I'm glad he's dead, at least. I do wish he could be killed again, more painfully this time. Shooting's too good for him.

49 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:30:43am

re: #40 Joanne

Father is deceased in the home - fatally shot. One classroom was targeted. Possibly mom's classroom (that last part is my thought, not reported).

Ugh, is this going to turn out to be a Mommy issue where he felt she loved those kids more than him?

50 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:30:43am

Guess a lot of folks are going to try and find the *aha!* moment from his facebook page. Wont help that his page isn't all that different from most people who would never think to do such a thing as murder dozens of people.

Investigators are going to have to piece this together, and that takes time.

Meanwhile, keep your thoughts and prayers for those who were directly affected by this calamity.

51 Lidane  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:30:44am

re: #44 DREd

Fox blaming atheists, video games and the internet.

Everything except our gun culture. Of course.

52 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:30:50am

re: #44 DREd

Fox blaming atheists, video games and the internet.

As I said downstairs, it's so absurd to do that when there are millions of people who fit that description yet don't go out on murder sprees. He would be the same monster he is if he were a devout Christian. Being an atheist doesn't make him a monster. Killing people does.

53 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:30:57am

re: #44 DREd

Fox blaming atheists, video games and the internet.

Like I said on the other thread, anything except guns. No, we can't challenge the almighty gun culture.

54 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:31:03am

re: #42 RadicalModerate

He's got "Mass Effect" listed as one of his "likes".

Expect to hear from the usual gang of idiots calling for heavier regulation/banning of video games.

Mass Effect isn't a hardcore shooter, I seriously doubt it played much of a role here.

55 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:31:15am

re: #46 Kragar

So the usual suspects then.

Given the scope of this I expect them to gather in twice the usual number by this evening.

56 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:31:39am

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

Not a lot of Facebook activity, to be sure, but he doesn't seem all that abnormal. Likes video games, theater......much like the Clackamas Town Center shooter, when I checked the link to his Facebook, he didn't strike me all that out-of-the-ordinary.

Yeah. I go the same read. It is only in hindsight that things can be made to look creepy.

He honestly looks like a nerdy college kid.

57 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:31:50am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Same here. He comes across, in the Facebook universe at least, as no different than anyone I knew back when I was still living stateside.

I know people whose Facebook pages are far wackier than this fellow.

58 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:31:55am

re: #49 Ghost of Tom Joad

Ugh, is this going to turn out to be a Mommy issue where he felt she loved those kids more than him?

That would be the first plausible explanation I've heard as to why a man would purposely shoot up a kindergarten classroom.

59 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:31:56am

Police ID the shooter as Ryan Lanza.

60 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:32:14am

re: #56 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Yeah. I go the same read. It is only in hindsight that things can be made to look creepy.

He honestly looks like a nerdy college kid.

My thoughts as well.

61 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:32:24am

re: #49 Ghost of Tom Joad

Ugh, is this going to turn out to be a Mommy issue where he felt she loved those kids more than him?

Jeez, I hope not. That's ... I'm at a loss for words.

62 funky chicken  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:32:27am

re: #53 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Like I said on the other thread, anything except guns. No, we can't challenge the almighty gun culture.

Well, the fascination with first person shooting games is part of gun culture, IMHO.

63 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:32:42am

re: #48 funky chicken

NJ and CT?

The mother worked at the school. So he shoots her AND a classroom full of little kids?

I'm glad he's dead, at least. I do wish he could be killed again, more painfully this time. Shooting's too good for him.

Wait do we know that the mother worked at the school?

64 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:33:00am

re: #44 DREd

Fox blaming atheists, video games and the internet.

I'm an...well I guess Atheist (more like an Idon'tgiveashittest), a video-game nut, and spend a good deal of time on the internet.

According to Fox, I should probably be locked up ala Minority Report.

Awesome.

Fucking morons.

65 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:33:17am

It was his father who was found shot dead in Hoboken -- his mother was a teacher at the school, and she was killed at the school.

Man. This is bad.

66 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:33:21am

re: #63 Mad Prophet Ludwig

67 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:33:30am

Mom is dead at the school. No other news. Just stated on tv.

Now they are saying that the parent shot at home was incorrect. No correction stated.

68 funky chicken  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:33:39am

re: #63 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Wait do we know that the mother worked at the school?

Yes, if you go to nbcnews.com you can watch the live feed.

69 researchok  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:33:42am

This is very bad, all around.

And the attention given this story may give rise to more of the same.

70 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:33:47am

re possible gun sources, don't forget stolen or using parents' weapon(s).

We don't know yet. We really do not know much at all. Tonight, maybe, we'll know some things. More likely we're not going to have solid info on which to build solid speculation till tomorrow.

71 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:33:54am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

It was his father who was found shot dead in Hoboken -- his mother was a teacher at the school, and she was killed at the school.

Man. This is bad.

It's starting to shape up like this is a family affair gone horribly, tragically wrong.

72 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:34:07am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

It was his father who was found shot dead in Hoboken -- his mother was a teacher at the school, and she was killed at the school.

Man. This is bad.

I guess we can assume that the parents were divorced or separated.

73 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:34:54am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I guess we can assume that the parents were divorced or separated.

Not necessarily.

74 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:34:54am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

A 21st century Charles Whitman.

75 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:35:16am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

It was his father who was found shot dead in Hoboken -- his mother was a teacher at the school, and she was killed at the school.

Man. This is bad.

They just said the father is not dead. Earlier reports were incorrect.

They reported that the mother was shot at the school and is deceased.

76 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:35:27am

re: #62 funky chicken

Well, the fascination with first person shooting games is part of gun culture, IMHO.

? Umm...don't think so chief.

77 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:35:38am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

It was his father who was found shot dead in Hoboken -- his mother was a teacher at the school, and she was killed at the school.

Man. This is bad.

OK, this starts to make more sense then as to why he would be at the school.

My best guess:

He came there to kill mom. After hid did so, realized hi life was fucked and then decided to what the hell and shot the kids.

78 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:35:39am

Now looks like the Facebook page is not the same Ryan Lanza.

Image: A-GU_PwCUAAQgFA.png

79 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:35:56am

re: #69 researchok

This is very bad, all around.

And the attention given this story may give rise to more of the same.

The media coverage in these situations is very unhelpful but there's not much that can be done about it. The press makes its money giving the viewers what they want.

80 bubba zanetti  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:36:05am

Today might be a good day for those productivity browser plugins that block certain websites for a given amount of time. I'm able to not go totally jurassic on some comments showing up in my Facebook timeline, but I compulsively keep checking to see if anyone else has.

81 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:36:32am

re: #76 Ghost of Tom Joad

? Umm...don't think so chief.

I have to agree. I like shooting games (the only ones I can actually win) but don't own a gun nor would I ever shoot anyone if I did (fight or flight withstanding).

82 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:36:44am

re: #69 researchok

This is very bad, all around.

And the attention given this story may give rise to more of the same.

Tragic and correct. However, I don't see not reporting it.

I will bet that the guns were daddy's.

83 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:36:55am

re: #50 lawhawk

And now it turns out that the Facebook page that was being linked about wasn't even the guy involved.

84 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:37:09am

re: #26 William Barnett-Lewis

Only $3,000? Not very big & a bg per firearm unless the buyer is a FFL holder. With your budget? 1 rifle, 1 pistol & accessories & ammo. Plus while you can buy a firearm from, say, Bud's Gun Shop online it is required to got to a FFL for ATF paperwork & background check. Said FFL will charge a fee of $20 - $100, depending, for the transfer.

WTF? Either things have gone berserk price-wise in the past several years (I kinda stopped caring about acquiring new firearms a long while back) or you're pricing boutique items. For $3k I could easily have 4 rifles capable of penetrating both sides of a kevlar vest, a couple of decent .40 caliber pistols, and way more ammo than I could carry. Still have plenty of money left over for costumery.

For cryin' out loud, a used Chinese SKS can be easily had for $80-150. They're a hunk of crap, but you're looking to build an arsenal, not a gallery.

All this is hypothetical, of course...

85 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:37:16am

[POST DELETED DUE TO UPDATE ON IDENTITY OF SHOOTER]

86 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:37:26am

Dressed all in black? Reminds me of Columbine.

87 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:37:34am

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Now looks like the Facebook page is not the same Ryan Lanza.

Image: A-GU_PwCUAAQgFA.png

Oh man, that poor guy. His life is going to be 'interesting' for a while.

88 S'latch  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:37:54am

re: #85 dragonfire1981

It's not the same person.

89 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:37:56am

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Now looks like the Facebook page is not the same Ryan Lanza.

Image: A-GU_PwCUAAQgFA.png

Ohh dang. Poor kid.

90 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:38:10am

re: #73 dragonfire1981

Not necessarily.

They lived in different States.

91 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:38:29am

re: #34 b_sharp

Limiting guns will soon not be possible because of technological advances such as 3D printers where anybody can print out their own guns.

I admit I'm not up on 3D printing, but I'm not sure how you go about 3D-printing steel.

92 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:38:31am

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Now looks like the Facebook page is not the same Ryan Lanza.

Image: A-GU_PwCUAAQgFA.png

Good.

Charles a truly kind thing for you to do would be to make a post or at least an update that this is NOT the guy.

I can't imagine how bad it is going to be for the wrong Ryan Lanza. His name needs to be cleared as much as possible.

93 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:38:39am

re: #83 lawhawk

Amazing coincidence. The same name, living in Hoboken, from Newtown.

94 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:38:43am

re: #81 Joanne

I have to agree. I like shooting games (the only ones I can actually win) but don't own a gun nor would I ever shoot anyone if I did (fight or flight withstanding).

It's like saying an RPG nut has a sword-fetish or something. I'm sure there's some cross-over in terms of nuts liking certain things that normal people like, but I doubt it's the standard.

95 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:38:59am

re: #88 S'latch

It's not the same person.

Updated the post.

This kid's picture has already been shown on some national news broadcasts.

96 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:39:21am

NBC confirms that the classroom where Lanza opened fire was the one in which his mother was teaching.

97 Alexzander  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:39:25am

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Now looks like the Facebook page is not the same Ryan Lanza.

Image: A-GU_PwCUAAQgFA.png

Whooly fuck they just had that guys face all over the news. It was on Fox for like 10 minutes. So unprofessional. I'd sue.

98 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:39:40am

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Amazing coincidence. The same name, living in Hoboken, from Newtown.

Please make a very visible update that it isn't him.

99 researchok  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:39:46am

re: #82 Mad Prophet Ludwig

It's the wall to wall coverage/repetition that bothers me.

Maybe updates every 15 minutes, that kind of thing.

100 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:39:50am

Oh man. This gets stranger and stranger. I had when I heard there were two accounts on FB assumed that he had two of them because sometimes I see people with two facebook accounts.

101 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:39:51am

re: #91 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I admit I'm not up on 3D printing, but I'm not sure how you go about 3D-printing steel.

There's a youtube video out there of someone 3D printing a functioning weapon. It can be done.

102 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:39:53am

Coincidence is scary.

They Ryan whose Facebook page we all looked at lives in Hoboken and grew up in Newtown, CT.

103 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:40:20am

re: #91 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I admit I'm not up on 3D printing, but I'm not sure how you go about 3D-printing steel.

They have metals that can be used, and high heat, high strength plastics. I suspect an epoxy style compound will be available soon if not already.

104 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:40:32am

re: #94 Ghost of Tom Joad

It's like saying an RPG nut has a sword-fetish or something. I'm sure there's some cross-over in terms of nuts liking certain things that normal people like, but I doubt it's the standard.

And I'm a detached mass murderer and control freak who hates (???) since I send my axe dwarves out to massacre besieging goblins in Dwarf Fortress.

Heck, they just turn up to ask my fort to give them stuff...
:p
///

105 funky chicken  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:40:35am

So violent, gory first person shooting games aren't a part or offshoot of gun culture?

Where did they come from then? It's all glorification of slaughter and violence. Yes, the video games aren't real, but the images and scenarios all revolve around gruesome mayhem. Or rape, as was (still is?) featured in at least one popular game.

106 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:40:59am

re: #97 Alexzander

Whooly fuck they just had that guys face all over the news. It was on Fox for like 10 minutes. So unprofessional. I'd sue.

Go Fox.

Go the people who look here, myself included.

That poor kid is going to have some hellish mails and complications for the next few weeks.

107 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:41:15am

Could they possibly have misidentified the shooter?

108 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:41:21am

re: #91 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I admit I'm not up on 3D printing, but I'm not sure how you go about 3D-printing steel.

Doesn't need steel.

3D Printed Gun Fails after Six Shots

A project called Defense Distributed has been working on 3D printer files that allow users to create components to build their own guns using a 3D printer. A group of testers used a 3D printed gun part design from creator HaveBlue to produce an AR lower receiver (the lower receiver is a key component of the weapon that receives the rifle cartridge from the magazine) and headed to the gun range.

Unfortunately, it appears that recoil pressure in the completed weapon was too much for the buffer section of the 3D printed lower. The buffer is a section that separates the stock from the upper receiver reports NBC News. The part failed after firing only six shots. To make the failure even more embarrassing, the testers were using ammunition specifically designed for lower recoil.

Which is great as long as you weren't target 1-5.

109 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:41:47am

re: #106 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Go Fox.

Go the people who look here, myself included.

That poor kid is going to have some hellish mails and complications for the next few weeks.

Man I honestly feel like sending that guy a message and apologizing. Even I jumped the gun on that one.

110 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:41:55am

NYT: "News reports said some of the shots were fired in a kindergarten classroom."

Babies. They were practically babies.

111 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:42:04am

re: #103 b_sharp

They have metals that can be used, and high heat, high strength plastics. I suspect an epoxy style compound will be available soon if not already.

Glocks are mostly composite, and I'm sure they could/might already have figured out a way to make everything that way.

112 funky chicken  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:42:07am

re: #97 Alexzander

Whooly fuck they just had that guys face all over the news. It was on Fox for like 10 minutes. So unprofessional. I'd sue.

Wow. I hope he gets a pile of Rupert's money.

113 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:42:27am

re: #91 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I admit I'm not up on 3D printing, but I'm not sure how you go about 3D-printing steel.

The 3d printer plan is for what amounts to one-shots (or one magazine, maybe.) They've got their development on hold till they complete various federal licenses for manufacture and distribution.

114 dragonath  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:42:49am

re: #76 Ghost of Tom Joad

? Umm...don't think so chief.

Just because the retards at Fox News give games a hard time doesn't mean violent video games have to defended. The video game culture has changed a lot in the last 10 years, and not for the better.

It is, at least, a mirror of the culture.

115 researchok  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:43:30am

re: #108 Kragar

Doesn't need steel.

3D Printed Gun Fails after Six Shots

Which is great as long as you weren't target 1-5.

Or, until they make the product more 'reliable'.

116 Skip Intro  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:44:24am

re: #44 DREd

Fox blaming atheists, video games and the internet.

Not Obama? They're going soft.

117 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:44:36am

re: #115 researchok

Or, until they make the product more 'reliable'.

Like I said, the attitude has to be addressed. Fairly soon.

118 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:44:39am

re: #108 Kragar

Doesn't need steel.

3D Printed Gun Fails after Six Shots

Which is great as long as you weren't target 1-5.

If you go to their site and their discussions you can see they expected failure on that one. They are planning a subsequent run after some re-design work that adds reinforcements. Actually they're going to try three different designs -- thicker, spines, and reinforcing honeycomb web -- to see which should be considered for the next level of development.

119 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:45:10am

I'm not sure those status updates weren't faked - they do not show up in his Facebook timeline. I'm going to wait for confirmation before posting any more about the Facebook page.

120 researchok  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:45:44am

re: #117 b_sharp

Your earlier gun culture remark is at the core, the very essence of the problem.

121 Alexzander  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:46:09am

re: #119 Charles Johnson

I'm not sure those status updates weren't faked - they do not show up in his Facebook timeline. I'm going to wait for confirmation before posting any more about the Facebook page.

Is that picture floating around twitter or something?

I don't have facebook so I dont really know how it works.

122 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:46:31am
123 danarchy  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:46:36am

re: #101 dragonfire1981

There's a youtube video out there of someone 3D printing a functioning weapon. It can be done.

There was a gun hobbyist who printed several parts of a gun out of ABS plastic and then used a conversion kit to assemble a working gun. I don't think a fully printed gun has been done yet, some parts probably aren't feasible like springs and such, but it is certainly possible to get an off the records firearm this way.

First printed 3D firearm

124 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:47:13am

re: #121 Alexzander

Is that picture floating around twitter or something?

I don't have facebook so I dont really know how it works.

Don't feel bad. I have a Facebook page and have no idea how it works (or why people are addicted to it).

125 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:47:36am

re: #84 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

WTF? Either things have gone berserk price-wise in the past several years (I kinda stopped caring about acquiring new firearms a long while back) or you're pricing boutique items. For $3k I could easily have 4 rifles capable of penetrating both sides of a kevlar vest, a couple of decent .40 caliber pistols, and way more ammo than I could carry. Still have plenty of money left over for costumery.

For cryin' out loud, a used Chinese SKS can be easily had for $80-150. They're a hunk of crap, but you're looking to build an arsenal, not a gallery.

All this is hypothetical, of course...

Ever since "Obama's gonna take r gunz" started prices have gone nuts. That "cheap" chinese sks? One at the pawn shop in town right now fro $450. It'll sell for that too. Cheap AR's are over $700 and the one I priced the other day was "only" $1,700. Add the vest, and accessories and yeah, $3000 is no longer a very big budget.

126 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:47:53am

3-D printing is extremely limited, producing parts of spectacular weakness compared to other ways of manufacturing.

127 Ian G.  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:48:26am

re: #44 DREd

Fox blaming atheists, video games and the internet.

Remember when Christopher Hitchens shot up a classroom full of 1st graders when he was diagnosed with terminal cancer? Yeah, me neither.

Also, where is all the violence in atheist societies like Sweden? I see it in, um, religious societies like Afghanistan, but not so much in the atheist ones.

128 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:48:29am

re: #123 danarchy

There was a gun hobbyist who printed several parts of a gun out of ABS plastic and then used a conversion kit to assemble a working gun. I don't think a fully printed gun has been done yet, some parts probably aren't feasible like springs and such, but it is certainly possible to get an off the records firearm this way.

First printed 3D firearm

That doesn't change the point that guns will soon be easy to make at home.

129 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:49:07am

re: #123 danarchy

There was a gun hobbyist who printed several parts of a gun out of ABS plastic and then used a conversion kit to assemble a working gun. I don't think a fully printed gun has been done yet, some parts probably aren't feasible like springs and such, but it is certainly possible to get an off the records firearm this way.

First printed 3D firearm

To explain a bit further: Under US law, the lower receiver is the controlled part of an AR-15, the part considered to be the 'gun itself'. Buying other parts doesn't have the same requirements, as long as you are not prohibited from firearms ownership.

130 Interesting Times  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:50:20am

re: #119 Charles Johnson

I'm not sure those status updates weren't faked - they do not show up in his Facebook timeline. I'm going to wait for confirmation before posting any more about the Facebook page.

I noticed that too when I checked his timeline - it could be a privacy setting thing, maybe? Only friends can see his most recent updates? The person showing as commenting in the screenshot is indeed on his friends list.

131 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:50:43am

re: #126 Ojoe

3-D printing is an extremely limited, producing parts of spectacular weakness compared to other ways of manufacturing.

Now.

132 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:51:03am

I just had a guy in here crying his eyes out, trying to sell me a pair of earrings for a buck so he can get out of this town. I talked to him long enough that he stopped crying for a bit and was telling me he slept in his car by the hospital last night. I asked him if he'd been to the Mission, he said, "they'll just give me more clothes". I couldn't disagree. I asked if he'd been to the local mental health place, he said, "I don't want to go there", and I couldn't blame him because I've heard plenty of bad stories about it. He started crying again about this evil world and he doesn't even want to be alive, then about a group of people who have been taking advantage of him. At least he has some place he wants to go, although I asked if there was somebody there to help him, and he said no, his father was killed and the funeral home kept the money his father always had on him. But he does have a place to stay when he gets there, where ever it was. He showed me tickets the cops had written in the next town when he was trying to sleep at the truck stop. I gave him $10. I never do that because I think I endanger myself if I'm seen as a mark when I work here alone all day every day, but this time I did. I didn't take any earrings, either.

Could have all been an elaborate act, but he had tears and snot running down his face. He needs a lot more help than $10 is going to give him.

133 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:51:46am

It looks like his timeline is set to not show his posts to everyone. Only friends.

Wow. Just searched Google - his picture is on hundreds of news sites already.

134 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:51:51am

re: #111 Ghost of Tom Joad

Glocks are mostly composite, and I'm sure they could/might already have figured out a way to make everything that way.

The frames are composite, but the "business parts" (slide, barrel, striker, recoil spring) are steel.

135 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:52:33am

re: #131 b_sharp

Never will printing as a concept be equivalent to forging or heat treating or drawing through a die.

136 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:52:43am

re: #126 Ojoe

3-D printing is extremely limited, producing parts of spectacular weakness compared to other ways of manufacturing.

For now.

137 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:52:45am

re: #132 wrenchwench

I just had a guy in here crying his eyes out, trying to sell me a pair of earrings for a buck so he can get out of this town. I talked to him long enough that he stopped crying for a bit and was telling me he slept in his car by the hospital last night. I asked him if he'd been to the Mission, he said, "they'll just give me more clothes". I couldn't disagree. I asked if he'd been to the local mental health place, he said, "I don't want to go there", and I couldn't blame him because I've heard plenty of bad stories about it. He started crying again about this evil world and he doesn't even want to be alive, then about a group of people who have been taking advantage of him. At least he has some place he wants to go, although I asked if there was somebody there to help him, and he said no, his father was killed and the funeral home kept the money his father always had on him. But he does have a place to stay when he gets there, where ever it was. He showed me tickets the cops had written in the next town when he was trying to sleep at the truck stop. I gave him $10. I never do that because I think I endanger myself if I'm seen as a mark when I work here alone all day every day, but this time I did. I didn't take any earrings, either.

Could have all been an elaborate act, but he had tears and snot running down his face. He needs a lot more help than $10 is going to give him.

Do you have 211 phone service? If so, try to plug him in.

138 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:52:57am

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

To explain a bit further: Under US law, the lower receiver is the controlled part of an AR-15, the part considered to be the 'gun itself'. Buying other parts doesn't have the same requirements, as long as you are not prohibited from firearms ownership.

Even if you are prohibited you can own all the parts except the serial numbered receiver. You could even own an 80% finished receiver that would take about 5 hours to finish. Do that & it's illegal but they have to catch you first.

You can also own anything made before 1898. A Colt made Gatling gun in .45-70 for example. There are plenty of other loopholes out there.

139 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:52:59am

re: #135 Ojoe

Never will printing as a concept be equivalent to forging or heat treating or drawing through a die.

I never said it would be.

140 Interesting Times  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:53:06am

re: #133 Charles Johnson

It looks like his timeline is set to not show his posts to everyone. Only friends.

Wow. Just searched Google - his picture is on hundreds of news sites already.

(Adrien Chen is the one who accurately exposed the reddit creep, for what it's worth)

141 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:54:24am

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Do you have 211 phone service? If so, try to plug him in.

What's 211? I have never heard of that. Chicago has 311 for non-emergency. Is that what you're referring to?

142 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:54:41am

re: #133 Charles Johnson

A whole lot of media outlets and other folks are pushing that profile, even though it appears that it's an unfortunate coincidence.

143 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:54:51am

Man this story gets weirder and weirder.

144 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:54:56am

re: #139 b_sharp

OK

145 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:55:19am

re: #141 Joanne

What's 211? I have never heard of that. Chicago has 311 for non-emergency. Is that what you're referring to?

[Link: www.fcc.gov...]

146 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:55:31am

Good move Charles by the way taking that photo down.

147 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:56:37am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Nice. Thanks! I had no idea!

148 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:57:09am

re: #120 researchok

Your earlier gun culture remark is at the core, the very essence of the problem.

Yet the gun culture remark by Jason Whitlock and quoted by Costas was excoriated by the Right Wing. No surprise there.. I'm sure they want all teachers to be armed in the future.

149 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:57:10am

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Do you have 211 phone service? If so, try to plug him in.

I don't know what that is. Probably means we don't have it.

150 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:57:30am

Posted an update about the Facebook coincidence.

Same name, living in Hoboken, from Newtown, apparently the same age. Pretty amazing coincidence.

151 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:58:14am

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Posted an update about the Facebook coincidence.

Same name, living in Hoboken, from Newtown. Pretty amazing coincidence.

Poor bastard.

152 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:58:21am

re: #149 wrenchwench

I don't know what that is. Probably means we don't have it.

It's a year or two old here. It works locally and will automatically default to state level when local is unavailable.

[Link: www.fcc.gov...]

153 Four More Tears  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:58:31am

Jesus Christ.

154 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:58:47am

re: #151 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Poor bastard.

Indeed.

155 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:58:47am

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Posted an update about the Facebook coincidence.

Same name, living in Hoboken, from Newtown. Pretty amazing coincidence.

I am struggling with this, myself. How does One Ryan Lanza not know another? Newtown has a population of less than 2000 people.

156 SpaceJesus  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:59:15am

Shit. I have little cousins that age in that part of CT. Still in seminar now.

157 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:59:56am

Speaker Boehner Orders Capitol Flags Flown Half-Staff

158 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:00:49pm

re: #157 Kragar

Speaker Boehner Orders Capitol Flags Flown Half-Staff

Classy move.

159 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01:02pm

They just said Newtown has a population of 27k. I retract my prior statement.

160 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01:17pm

re: #5 Interesting Times

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Laura's Law might help, possibly, though no guarantee of that.

161 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01:23pm
162 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01:26pm

They just showed the picture of the "shooter" again on Fox News.

163 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:02:37pm
164 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:02:38pm

re: #142 lawhawk

A whole lot of media outlets and other folks are pushing that profile, even though it appears that it's an unfortunate coincidence.

That happened to me years ago. I got pulled over and the cops thought they had just nabbed Jesse James. It took a little while to straighten out but the Napa Valley Register wrote a story about it and it was very embarrassing.

165 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:02:51pm

Steve Deace Ties Connecticut Shooting to Public Schools' 'Culture of Death'

Right-wing talk show host Steve Deace writes on his Facebook page that the public school system is partly to blame for the elementary school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, because public schools, he claims, promote a “culture of death.”

166 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:02:52pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

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Any idea what that means? I usually get Twitter in 140 characters. This one has a couple of interpretations.

167 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:03:00pm

From the AP:

BREAKING: AP source: Suspect in Connecticut school shootings is 24-year-old; younger brother being held. -SS

168 danarchy  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:03:30pm

re: #128 b_sharp

That doesn't change the point that guns will soon be easy to make at home.

That's basically what I said. Was just adding more info to your point.

169 researchok  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:03:40pm

re: #34 b_sharp

The gun culture, the idea that guns are no more than toasters, that the hero kills all the bad guys without harm to himself, the idea that guns are a solution to the bad guys but not a part of the problem is at the core of this. Limiting guns will soon not be possible because of technological advances such as 3D printers where anybody can print out their own guns.

Because of mandatory conscription and reserves duty, in both Israel and Switzerland guns can be found in virtually every home.

Yet there are far less of these kind of crimes in those places. Why? Because there is no equivalent to American gun culture.

The real culprits here are the NRA types who equate the right to bear arms as the consummate right of freedom. For generations, Americans have been led to believe anything short of the absolute and unequivocal right to have access to firearms will bring down the republic- and this is one of the cornerstones of the gun culture.

We romanticize the cowboy- both the Marshall and the loner who took the law into his own hands to administer frontier justice, as if somehow vigilante justice is the equivalent to real justice.

I could go on but you get the point.

170 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:04:09pm

re: #165 Kragar

Steve Deace Ties Connecticut Shooting to Public Schools' 'Culture of Death'

Yeah, that's exactly why. Sigh. We can do all these crazy theories but we can't question gun culture. Typical right wing bullshit. And I am not blaming guns here but it makes no sense at all to blame public schools while acting like guns aren't a problem at all.

171 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:04:31pm

This is extra bad at an elementary school. At a high school or college there would be a chance that some large students could rush the shooter & knock him down at the cost of their own lives. But at an elementary school?

172 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:04:41pm

re: #168 danarchy

That's basically what I said. Was just adding more info to your point.

Sorry. I'm too tightly wound right now.

I need to go play Angry Birds.

173 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:06:59pm

re: #169 researchok

A freedom needs to be advocated equally with the attached responsibility, but you don't see that.

174 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:07:24pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that's exactly why. Sigh. We can do all these crazy theories but we can't question gun culture. Typical right wing bullshit. And I am not blaming guns here but it makes no sense at all to blame public schools while acting like guns aren't a problem at all.

"if you can't see that ultimately this is a cultural/spiritual problem then the reality is you don't really care about human life."

Steve can go eat a bag of dicks.

175 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:07:47pm

re: #164 A Man for all Seasons

That happened to me years ago. I got pulled over and the cops thought they had just nabbed Jesse James. It took a little to straighten out but the Napa Valley wrote a story about it and it was very embarrassing.

Which is why media reports (usually) always refer to people who haven't yet been convicted as "the alleged perpetrator". See also: Richard Jewell.

176 Stephen T.  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:08:41pm

I am the father of an eight-year-old girl. I love my daughter very much. I do not live in Connecticut but we are a few states over. I have been avoiding watching any of the coverage on television or on the internet. I wish to save myself from the horror, the anger, the pathos, the nightmares. My wife and I do not plan on telling our daughter about this right away. She was diagnosed with Asperger's this summer and re-diagnosed this fall since that is no longer the term used. She has had a trying time changing schools once this year already, this kind of news would just upset her more. I try not to imagine what it would have been like for any of the victims, because that way lies madness. I can't help but imagine what it could have been like if my daughter had been in this situation. I love my daughter very much, but even I understand that she can be very trying at times, and I can picture her causing trouble for her teachers her classmates and the police while they are trying to control a situation like this. I can also picture her hurt. I don't like that picture at all. I don't care about the gun control debate, I don't care about the shooter, or what set him off. I don't care to see yet another child, the same age as my child interviewed by some ambitious reporter without their parent present. And as horrible as it may make me sound, right now, I don't care about the victims as long as my daughter makes it home safe today. I can have sympathy for the victims and the victims' families later. I want to take time with my daughter this weekend to comfort her and ease her into the knowledge that bad things can happen. My wife and I have no illusions, we know she will learn of this, but I rather her learn about it from us, not the news, not through rumor at school. I love my daughter very much.

177 steve_davis  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:09:21pm

re: #9 dragonfire1981

I wish I had the time and money to run an experiment where I give some Joe Schmo say $3000 and a computer and see how big an arsenal (both weapons and tactical gear) can be acquired online, how quickly it arrives and how many security measures/background checks would be required to get it.

I imagine the results would be...sobering.

Sadly, for me, it would be going to the Orvis hunting section of their online catalogue and drooling over some of the consignment shotguns.

178 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:09:32pm

re: #165 Kragar

Steve Deace Ties Connecticut Shooting to Public Schools' 'Culture of Death'

... an elementary school promotes a culture of death. uh-huh.

I don't want to live in his head, but apparently he feels free to let it out to pollute the lives of the rest of us.

179 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:09:56pm

The Ryan Lanza Facebook page has been pulled offline: [Link: www.facebook.com...]

180 CarleeCork  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:10:00pm

I went to the school website, there is no teacher with the last name Lanza. I guess his parents were divorced?

181 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:10:52pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

The Ryan Lanza Facebook page has been pulled offline: [Link: www.facebook.com...]

The whole thing still has me suspicious. That's a LOT of coincidences to not be the guy...maybe someone logged into his account and posted the recent updates as some sort of sick joke?

182 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:11:14pm

re: #180 CarleeCork

I went to the school website, there is no teacher with the last name Lanza. I guess his parents were divorced?

Or she never took his name to begin with.

183 CarleeCork  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:11:28pm

Correction, I went to the wrong school website, sorry.

184 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:12:43pm

We seem to be recreating the 'fog of war', online version

185 jc717  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:12:56pm

Do we even know that the shooter was from NJ or did the news outlets make that up based on the FB page?

186 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:13:22pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Now looks like the Facebook page is not the same Ryan Lanza.

Image: A-GU_PwCUAAQgFA.png

There are two Ryan Lanza’s in NJ, one in Hoboken and one in Atco. The other Ryan's facebook page was already pulled offline so I would assume that was the shooters page.

187 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:13:41pm

re: #185 jc717

Do we even know that the shooter was from NJ or did the news outlets make that up based on the FB page?

The NJ info came out before the FB info.

188 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:14:06pm

re: #184 b_sharp

We seem to be recreating the 'fog of war', online version

So does every news oriented blog with any breaking story.

189 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:14:08pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

It looks like his timeline is set to not show his posts to everyone. Only friends.

Wow. Just searched Google - his picture is on hundreds of news sites already.

Oh boy. He may have a case.

190 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:14:18pm

re: #183 CarleeCork

Correction, I went to the wrong school website, sorry.

Looks like the actual site is offline at the moment, probably crashed due to traffic.

191 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:14:29pm

re: #175 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Which is why media reports (usually) always refer to people who haven't yet been convicted as "the alleged perpetrator". See also: Richard Jewell.

The media has changed, and not for the better. They'll refer to the 'alleged shooter' while still putting up an image of a person without even checking to see if they've got the ID right.

If I was that kid, I'd be busy right now signing up a high-powered lawyer and set about taking a metric shit-ton of money from CNN and Fox, and anyone else who made the wrong ID.

192 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:14:49pm

You know, when shit like this happens, I never have a dire need to know exactly what the shooter looked like, so maybe the news orgs could calm the fuck down and do diligence before releasing pictures of people with the same name.

193 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:14:58pm

It didn't take long for this to happen: Romney-Ryan-Lanza

194 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:15:21pm

re: #193 Dr. Matt

It didn't take long for this to happen: Romney-Ryan-Lanza

The fuck is wrong with people.

195 Interesting Times  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:15:26pm
196 dragonath  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:15:39pm

re: #193 Dr. Matt

It didn't take long for this to happen: Romney-Ryan-Lanza

That's pretty shitty.

197 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:15:43pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

So does every news oriented blog with any breaking story.

It was a collective 'we', meaning all of social media. I wasn't singling LGF out at all.

198 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:15:45pm

re: #194 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

The fuck is wrong with people.

Heartless pricks

199 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:15:51pm

A Timeline Of Mass Shootings In The US Since Columbine

On Friday morning, 27 people were reportedly shot and killed at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, CT. According to sources, 18 of these casualties were children. This is the second mass shooting in the US this week, after a gunman opened fire in an Oregon shopping mall on Tuesday, killing 2. ABC News reports that there have been 31 school shootings in the US since Columbine in 1999, when 13 people were killed.

The rate of people killed by guns in the US is 19.5 times higher than similar high-income countries in the world. In the last 30 years since 1982, America has mourned at least 61 mass murders. Below is a timeline of mass shootings in the US since the Columbine High shooting:

200 Destro  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:15:57pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Officials now say the gunman acted alone.

Thanks for the update, The reports of 2 shooters was very disturbing news (on top of this disturbing news already).

201 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:16:15pm

There's a report from WTIC that says the shooter's brother is the "second person in custody." Is there another person being held?

202 Interesting Times  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:16:51pm

re: #193 Dr. Matt

It didn't take long for this to happen: Romney-Ryan-Lanza

That's not a joke, it really happened back in October:

[Link: senatorandrewlanza.com...]

Note: site comes up in Google results, but won't load at the moment - probably getting slammed.

203 aagcobb  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:17:08pm

27,000 People have signed a petition asking the Administration to create jobs and secure world peace by building a Death Star. Since they passed the 25,000 threshold, I guess they will get a response, just like the Texas secessionists.

204 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:17:18pm

re: #201 BongCrodny

There's a report from WTIC that says the shooter's brother is the "second person in custody." Is there another person being held?

That must be what the AP meant. I wasn't sure to what they were referring. See Charles' post above.

205 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:17:19pm

Since schools have been a big target in the past. I expect all schools will be required to have an armed guard for security. Parents should demand that, Children are our most precious assets and the love our lives. They need protection from the sick.

206 danarchy  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:17:47pm

re: #194 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

The fuck is wrong with people.

That was an actual sign during the campaign for Andrew Lanza

[Link: senatorandrewlanza.com...]

207 Alexzander  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:18:08pm

Obama is struggling to get through his statement.

208 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:18:20pm

re: #202 Interesting Times

That's not a joke, it really happened back in October:

[Link: senatorandrewlanza.com...]

Note: site comes up in Google results, but won't load at the moment - probably getting slammed.

It's still not funny right now. Whatever one thinks of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, to list them beside a school shooter is entirely unfair.

209 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:18:41pm

re: #202 Interesting Times

That's not a joke, it really happened back in October:

[Link: senatorandrewlanza.com...]

Note: site comes up in Google results, but won't load at the moment - probably getting slammed.

AH! Thanks. My bad. I didn't notice the URL. Just did a google search and it popped up.

210 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:18:56pm

re: #202 Interesting Times

That's not a joke, it really happened back in October:

[Link: senatorandrewlanza.com...]

Note: site comes up in Google results, but won't load at the moment - probably getting slammed.

It loaded for me. Same exact image.

211 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:19:08pm

re: #207 Alexzander

Quite understandable.

212 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:19:21pm

Obama is tearing up as he speaks.

213 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:19:54pm

re: #194 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

The fuck is wrong with people.

If I had to guess, I'd say it's this guy:

[Link: vote-ny.org...]

Coincidental.

214 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:20:35pm

re: #212 Joanne

One would think.

215 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:20:35pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

It's still not funny right now. Whatever one thinks of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, to list them beside a school shooter is entirely unfair.

No, No. There is a state senator in CT named Lanza. I believe that was an actual campaign poster.

216 andres  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:20:58pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Amazing coincidence. The same name, living in Hoboken, from Newtown.

That's not strange. In the town I live in, there are at least 8 persons with the same first name/first last name as mine (second names, and second last names are mostly different, thankfully).

217 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:21:00pm

I feel for all you parents, especially with young ones in school.

218 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:21:26pm

re: #215 makeitstop

No, No. There is a state senator in CT named Lanza. I believe that was an actual campaign poster.

Correction. NY state.

219 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:21:47pm

re: #217 wrenchwench

I feel for all you parents, especially with young ones in school.

My little one's not quite of school age, but needless to say, I am desperately looking forward to getting home to him.

220 researchok  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:22:35pm

re: #217 wrenchwench

Hell, my kid is in college and it scared the hell out of me

221 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:22:38pm

re: #216 andres

That's not strange. In the town I live in, there are at least 8 persons with the same first name/first last name as mine (second names, and second last names are mostly different, thankfully).

On the other hand, I know every one in this hemisphere with my last name and no one else shares my first name.

222 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:23:21pm

Now they're saying it was his brother found dead in a house in Hoboken.

223 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:23:26pm

re: #214 Ojoe

One would think.

But you almost never see him emotional.

224 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:23:33pm

re: #215 makeitstop

No, No. There is a state senator in CT named Lanza. I believe that was an actual campaign poster.

Terrible coincidence: Paul Ryan + Andrew Lanza = Ryan Lanza

225 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:23:44pm

re: #152 Decatur Deb

It's a year or two old here. It works locally and will automatically default to state level when local is unavailable.

[Link: www.fcc.gov...]

I punched in my zip code.

There is currently no 2-1-1 call center serving this area.

We're pretty remote.

We're also one of the poorest counties in one of the poorest states.

226 Gus  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:24:14pm
227 Gus  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:24:27pm

Freaking nightmare.

228 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:24:58pm

re: #205 A Man for all Seasons

Since schools have been a big target in the past. I expect all schools will be required to have an armed guard for security. Parents should demand that, Children are our most precious assets and the love our lives. They need protection from the sick.

A couple of Marines would be good, they run toward danger & the sound of firing.

229 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:25:39pm

re: #212 Joanne

Obama is tearing up as he speaks.

He's got girls in school...

230 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:25:54pm

re: #226 Gus

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Killing mommy because you're...whatever...is one horrific act. Killing unrelated children is beyond any kind of comprehension.

231 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:26:12pm

re: #219 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

My little one's not quite of school age, but needless to say, I am desperately looking forward to getting home to him.

Reminded me of that scene in "Seven" when Morgan Freeman is talking to a downtrodden Gwyneth Paltrow when she tells him she's pregnant and isn't sure about having the kid. Freeman talks about his own experience with that struggle (eventually lead to them deciding against it), and tells her "if you do decide to have this child, you spoil it every chance you get."

232 andres  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:26:42pm

re: #130 Interesting Times

I noticed that too when I checked his timeline - it could be a privacy setting thing, maybe? Only friends can see his most recent updates? The person showing as commenting in the screenshot is indeed on his friends list.

It's a privacy setting, to only friends or friends of friends (the UI doesn't distinguish which).

233 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:26:55pm

Fischer: God Didn't Stop CT School Shooting Because He's a Gentleman Who Doesn't Go Where He is Not Wanted

Brian Fischer spent the first hour of his radio program today discussing this morning's truly horrific shooting at an elementary school in Connecticut, which he, of course, blamed on the fact that prayer, the Bible, and the Ten Commandments are not taught in public schools.

Fischer said that God could have protected the victims of this massacre, but didn't because "God is not going to go where he is not wanted" and so if school administrators really want to protect students, they will start every school day with prayer:

Eat shit, you fucking bastard.

234 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:27:00pm

re: #223 Joanne

This would do it if anything.

235 thecommodore  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:27:12pm

The President just spoke, and was clearly shaken by it.

Anyone want to wager on how long a wingnut blogger will accuse him of puttkng on an act?

236 Gus  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:27:58pm
237 Stephen T.  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:28:01pm

re: #233 Kragar

Fischer: God Didn't Stop CT School Shooting Because He's a Gentleman Who Doesn't Go Where He is Not Wanted

Eat shit, you fucking bastard.

Apparently Fischer isn't a gentleman. He's always going places he's not wanted.

238 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:28:24pm

re: #235 thecommodore

The President just spoke, and was clearly shaken by it.

Anyone want to wager on how long a wingnut blogger will accuse him of puttkng on an act being a soft, pacifistic liberal who is inviting our enemies to attack because he cried?

239 researchok  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:28:36pm

re: #233 Kragar

He found a way to insert himself into the story and onto the front page.

And that is all Fischer gives a damn about.

240 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:28:36pm

re: #235 thecommodore

The President just spoke, and was clearly shaken by it.

Anyone want to wager on how long a wingnut blogger will accuse him of puttkng on an act?

They've already accused him of a false flag operation. I am sure it's out there already.

241 Destro  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:28:39pm

Western Europe: Liberal. Not religious. Not a gun culture. More lenient justice system. Free access to healthcare for all (including mental health care). Crime rate very, very low.

U.S.A.: Conservative. Very Religious. Toughest laws and penalties in the civilized world. Gun culture where the NRA rules. More people in prison (per capita) than any other country in the world. The most gun violence in the first world (of like civilized nations). Getting healthcare (including mental health) is only for the rich. Millions of mentally ill on the streets.

242 Destro  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:29:09pm

re: #238 Ghost of Tom Joad

I am waiting for the conspiracy theory that this was a false flag operation by the right wing nuts so they can get our guns.

243 Coracle  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:29:18pm

re: #235 thecommodore

The President just spoke, and was clearly shaken by it.

Anyone want to wager on how long a wingnut blogger will accuse him of puttkng on an act?

Already seen it. I'm not going to link to the tweet. It's too stupid.

244 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:29:19pm

re: #233 Kragar

Fischer: God Didn't Stop CT School Shooting Because He's a Gentleman Who Doesn't Go Where He is Not Wanted

Eat shit, you fucking bastard.

Brian Fischer's God is a sadistic, passive-aggressive narcissist that Fischer created in his image. Every time Fischer opens his mouth about "God" he writes another line in his autobiography.

245 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:29:37pm

re: #242 Destro

I am waiting for the conspiracy theory that this was a false flag operation by the right wing nuts so they can get our guns.

You're late to the party. See last thread.

246 dragonath  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:29:42pm

re: #241 Destro

Oh please, the last thing we need right now is a liberal vs. conservative flame war.

247 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:29:43pm

re: #241 Destro

Western Europe: Liberal. Not religious. Not a gun culture. More lenient justice system. Free access to healthcare for all (including mental health care). Crime rate very, very low.

U.S.A.: Conservative. Very Religious. Toughest laws and penalties in the civilized world. Gun culture where the NRA rules. More people in prison (per capita) than any other country in the world. The most gun violence in the first world (of like civilized nations). Getting healthcare (including mental health) is only for the rich. Millions of mentally ill on the streets.FREEDUMB!

248 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:30:08pm

re: #242 Destro

I am waiting for the conspiracy theory that this was a false flag operation by the right wing nuts.

Already out there. You know where to look first.

249 Destro  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:30:24pm

re: #233 Kragar

Fischer: God Didn't Stop CT School Shooting Because He's a Gentleman Who Doesn't Go Where He is Not Wanted

Brian Fischer spent the first hour of his radio program today discussing this morning's truly horrific shooting at an elementary school in Connecticut, which he, of course, blamed on the fact that prayer, the Bible, and the Ten Commandments are not taught in public schools.

Fischer said that God could have protected the victims of this massacre, but didn't because "God is not going to go where he is not wanted" and so if school administrators really want to protect students, they will start every school day with prayer:

I have always suspected god was either not real or an asshole.

250 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:30:33pm

Go fuck yourself Bryan

251 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:30:49pm

re: #233 Kragar

Fischer: God Didn't Stop CT School Shooting Because He's a Gentleman Who Doesn't Go Where He is Not Wanted

Eat shit, you fucking bastard.

If I stated what I'd like to do to Bryan Fischer at this moment, I'd be banned for life.

252 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:31:08pm

re: #250 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Go fuck yourself Bryan

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[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

253 Joanne  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:31:15pm

re: #236 Gus

Ryan Lanza's girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey (via @AP) #NewTown

Cohorts or victims?

254 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:31:21pm

The #tcot feed on Twitter is absolutely nauseating right now.

255 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:31:22pm

re: #249 Destro

Fischer: God Didn't Stop CT School Shooting Because He's a Gentleman Who Doesn't Go Where He is Not Wanted

Brian Fischer spent the first hour of his radio program today discussing this morning's truly horrific shooting at an elementary school in Connecticut, which he, of course, blamed on the fact that prayer, the Bible, and the Ten Commandments are not taught in public schools.

Fischer said that God could have protected the victims of this massacre, but didn't because "God is not going to go where he is not wanted" and so if school administrators really want to protect students, they will start every school day with prayer:

I have always suspected god was either not real or an asshole.

Hard to use a satanist as evidence about God.

256 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:31:46pm

re: #241 Destro

Congratulations on wrong generalizations.

Unless you are talking about Scandinavia, mainland Europe ain't tolerant. There is shit going on there that would be grounded here. In addition, we are getting better. In fits and starts, yes, but it is improving.

Meanwhile, nobody seems worried about Hungary going back to Dictatorship, or the rampant anti-Muslim sentiment. Hell, you are on record as siding with those who committed the Bosnian Genocide.

In short, screw you, and the diseased horse you rode in on.

257 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:31:53pm

re: #233 Kragar

Fischer: God Didn't Stop CT School Shooting Because He's a Gentleman Who Doesn't Go Where He is Not Wanted

Eat shit, you fucking bastard.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Brian Fischer, Douchebag of the Year.

Mr. Fischer, kindly blow it out your ass. That anyone would make such a fatuous comment in the face of an unspeakable tragedy certainly informs me that not only are you no Christian, you're not even human.

258 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:32:20pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

Ditto here.

259 Gus  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:32:29pm

re: #253 Joanne

Cohorts or victims?

Don't know. My gut feeling would be victims.

260 dragonath  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:32:33pm

I wish people would at least wait a day before pushing their own goddamn agenda.

261 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:32:46pm

re: #224 Dr. Matt

Terrible coincidence: Paul Ryan + Andrew Lanza = Ryan Lanza

This whole situation is brimming with strange coincidences.

262 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:32:49pm

re: #250 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Go fuck yourself Bryan

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Quite.
He makes it much harder for regular people with a regular belief, like myself.

263 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:32:56pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

The #tcot feed on Twitter is absolutely nauseating right now.

Because it is absolutely, positively impossible that somewhere, somehow, our gun-fetish culture is somehow responsible for this.

264 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:33:36pm

re: #233 Kragar

Fischer: God Didn't Stop CT School Shooting Because He's a Gentleman Who Doesn't Go Where He is Not Wanted

Eat shit, you fucking bastard.

Someone please just slap that turd on the mouth.

265 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:34:24pm

re: #233 Kragar

Fischer: God Didn't Stop CT School Shooting Because He's a Gentleman Who Doesn't Go Where He is Not Wanted

Eat shit, you fucking bastard.

You know, that is the sort of thing that a fan of Anders Breivik might say.

266 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:34:25pm

re: #256 ProMayaLiberal

And as an addendum, that nice tolerant Scandinavia? Full o' guns. Same with the Czechs.

267 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:34:27pm
268 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:34:39pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

If I stated what I'd like to do to Bryan Fischer at this moment, I'd be banned for life.

Couldn't agree more. It would be long, painful, and would probably involve various woodworking and dental tools.

269 Destro  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:35:31pm

re: #256 ProMayaLiberal

Congratulations on wrong generalizations.

Unless you are talking about Scandinavia, mainland Europe ain't tolerant. There is shit going on there that would be grounded here. In addition, we are getting better. In fits and starts, yes, but it is improving.

Meanwhile, nobody seems worried about Hungary going back to Dictatorship, or the rampant anti-Muslim sentiment. Hell, you are on record as siding with those who committed the Bosnian Genocide.

In short, screw you, and the diseased horse you rode in on.

When did Hungry become part of Western Europe? I clearly stated Western Europe so we could compare like rich nations (Thanks again for proving Americans know shit about the world they live in where "Western Europe" is some unknown world composed of only Scandinavia). By the way regarding Yugoslavia, when Clinton began his bombing run on Kosovo and Serbia, Columbine mass shooting happened.

Fuck you back. The disease is an American one. See "Bowling For Columbine".

270 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:35:32pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

If I stated what I'd like to do to Bryan Fischer at this moment, I'd be banned for life.

You and me both, friend. You and me both.

271 Destro  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:36:16pm

PS: Family safe in CT! I took down a thread regarding status of shootings.

272 Ian G.  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:36:45pm

re: #233 Kragar

Fischer is now no different than Fred Phelps in my mind. He's using an unspeakable catastrophe to pimp himself and his fantasies about God. No different at all than Phelps.

273 dragonath  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:37:15pm

Bryan Fischer is an asshole. I arf you not.

274 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:37:20pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

If I stated what I'd like to do to Bryan Fischer at this moment, I'd be banned for life.

I think we all would.
;)

275 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:38:12pm

re: #252 Varek Raith

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

276 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:38:51pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

The #tcot feed on Twitter is absolutely nauseating right now.

This one is especially bad:

277 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:39:36pm

re: #275 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

You are brave. I wouldn't want to get into a throwdown with Big Chief Douchecanoe right now, as I'd probably be banned from social media for life.

278 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:39:45pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

The #tcot feed on Twitter is absolutely nauseating right now.

Uh, I think it's like that all the time Charles.

279 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:40:15pm

re: #277 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

You are brave. I wouldn't want to get into a throwdown with Big Chief Douchecanoe right now, as I'd probably be banned from social media for life.

Tweeting to heartless assholes is harmless Internet fun.

280 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:40:29pm

Curious, have any lizards ever had Mr. Fisher respond to one of their reactions to his tweets?

281 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:40:53pm

You'd think all Americans would be on the same page with respect to this story, but we're not.

282 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:40:53pm

re: #273 dragonath

Bryan Fischer is an asshole. I arf you not.

Were I on twitter, I'd reply to him "Bryan Fischer is not a Christian. I arf you not." I know I'm treading in "no true Scotsman" territory but the little fucker can't be bothered to follow the most basic of teachings?

283 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:41:10pm

re: #279 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Tweeting to heartless assholes is harmless Internet fun.

Yeah, the things I'd want to say would be neither harmless nor Internet fun.

284 Gus  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:41:42pm
285 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:41:53pm

re: #233 Kragar

That is what he's going with now? That G-d somehow was involved by his inaction because of godlessness of a bunch of kindergarteners (or I guess as retribution for parents who are godless)? Kids who didn't even have a chance to formulate an expression about religion or god or even gun ownership.

That's the kind of G-d Fischer's thinking is out there? Seriously? So, when Fischer or someone he knows is afflicted with some horrible ailment or outcome, it's their own damned fault because they aren't sufficiently righteous? Pretty sad way to go through life. Not to mention all the guilt and blame on family or friends for when things go wrong.

The heartbreaking majority of the victims in this rampage were a bunch of kindergarten kids.

God had nothing to do with this event. His (God's) inaction had nothing to do with this event. It is all on the actions of the shooter.

286 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:41:58pm

re: #269 Destro

And yet, you a parading around nations like the Netherlands, who are seriously discussing throwing people who are "bad neighbors" into Ghettos. Germany, where millions of people still can't get citizenship, even though they were born there, and whose parents came to work after WWII. France, where persecution of minorities continues full speed ahead because of some warped nationalism. Belgium, which is rending itself apart, Luxembourg which survives as a crooked Tax Haven, ditto with Lichtenstein, and Switzerland which does the above and is several decades behind the times.

And yes, I am quite proud of the Bosnian and Kosovar Interventions. We saved the lives of thousands of Bosnians and Kosovars. Though, of course to you, since they asked for American help, they deserved to be slaughtered and have rape camps against them.

To quote Bono, fuck your revolution.

287 leftynyc  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:42:30pm

NY Post (I know but that's where it is) reporting that shooters name was Adam Lanza. His older brother's name is Ryan and the police are questioning him.

288 Skip Intro  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:42:56pm

re: #272 Ian G.

Fischer is now no different than Fred Phelps in my mind. He's using an unspeakable catastrophe to pimp himself and his fantasies about God. No different at all than Phelps.

He's worse because he never, ever shuts up, not for a single day, and never misses an opportunity be the biggest asshole in the room. I may have missed it, but I haven't heard the WBC take on this, although I'm sure I will soon.

289 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:43:02pm

re: #257 Dr Lizardo

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Brian Fischer, Douchebag of the Year.

Mr. Fischer, kindly blow it out your ass. That anyone would make such a fatuous comment in the face of an unspeakable tragedy certainly informs me that not only are you no Christian, you're not even human.

Oh, he's very human. Just one that you wouldn't want to depend on or probably live near. Or be granted any real power to control others.

290 gwangung  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:43:21pm

re: #284 Gus

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Good.

291 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:43:33pm

re: #280 dragonfire1981

Curious, have any lizards ever had Mr. Fisher respond to one of their reactions to his tweets?

I doubt that people who aren't Brian Fischer interest him enough for a response.

292 Stephen T.  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:43:43pm

My daughter is home from school.

293 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:44:39pm

re: #275 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

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294 CarleeCork  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:45:47pm

TWENTY dead children.

295 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:45:58pm
296 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:46:00pm

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

Did you receive the FB message. Also, I think I got my point across with the last message.

297 Lidane  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:48:28pm

re: #226 Gus

Absolutely heartbreaking.

I don't even have children and that makes me incredibly depressed. :(

298 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:48:30pm

Ugh. Surfing around Rawstory, HuffBlow, etc and reading the assholes making comments about the "President, Drones, and dead children" is just classless and sickening. I'm turning off my PC and going for a walk.

299 Lidane  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:49:15pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

The #tcot feed on Twitter is absolutely nauseating right now.

To be fair, they're always nauseating. Today they're going for the extra helpings of derp and fail.

300 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:49:48pm

re: #296 ProMayaLiberal

Did you receive the FB message. Also, I think I got my point across with the last message.

I'm not on Facebook, PLL.

301 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:50:01pm

re: #299 Lidane

To be fair, they're always nauseating. Today they're going for the extra helpings of derp and fail.

#TCOT = Top Collections Of Trash?

302 researchok  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:50:18pm

re: #297 Lidane

The human condition.

For which the rest of us are grateful.

303 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:50:53pm

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

Twitter, I mean.

Ooops.

304 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:57:20pm

re: #303 ProMayaLiberal

Twitter, I mean.

Ooops.

No, it did not come through.

305 Tigger2  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 1:14:12pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Posted an update about the Facebook coincidence.

Same name, living in Hoboken, from Newtown, apparently the same age. Pretty amazing coincidence.

Charles when I was in Jr high I shared a locker with a kid that had the same name as me.

306 Cap'n Magic  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 2:16:14pm

Of the victims, wonder how many of their parents are life members of the NRA-and if they were, did their belief in their NRA support change over their tragic loss.

307 Destro  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 2:29:03pm

re: #286 ProMayaLiberal

And yet, you a parading around nations like the Netherlands, who are seriously discussing throwing people who are "bad neighbors" into Ghettos. Germany, where millions of people still can't get citizenship, even though they were born there, and whose parents came to work after WWII. France, where persecution of minorities continues full speed ahead because of some warped nationalism. Belgium, which is rending itself apart, Luxembourg which survives as a crooked Tax Haven, ditto with Lichtenstein, and Switzerland which does the above and is several decades behind the times.

And yes, I am quite proud of the Bosnian and Kosovar Interventions. We saved the lives of thousands of Bosnians and Kosovars. Though, of course to you, since they asked for American help, they deserved to be slaughtered and have rape camps against them.

To quote Bono, fuck your revolution.

When America has crime rates as low as the Netherlands and Germany and as few people in jail as they do let me know. Till them fuck off, you gun nut. Why did you change your tag from progunliberal? Not so proud are you? And a pro life liberal now?

308 Destro  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 2:37:51pm

re: #255 William Barnett-Lewis

Hard to use a satanist as evidence about God.

I don't know what that means. God created Satan and God is supposed to at least protect children from Satan if not adults - that's his fucking job - if god is our creator than he could be sued for producing a malfunctioning product. If car companies produced cars that were as unsafe and unstable as the human race seems to be they would be out of business and their execs in jail.

I grant you god is real. When can we arrest the bastard and trial him for malpractice?

309 funky chicken  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 2:48:37pm

re: #222 Charles Johnson

Now they're saying it was his brother found dead in a house in Hoboken.

he killed his little brother, drove all the way to CT to kill his mom and a bunch of little kids.

i wish he had died in a fire yesterday


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