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Friday Night Music: Andy Partridge’s Letter to God

We all need a big reduction in amount of tears
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Not the best video quality here, but Andy Partridge’s open letter to God is resonating with me tonight.

Dear God,
Hope you got the letter, and…
I pray you can make it better down here.
I don’t mean a big reduction in the price of beer
but all the people that you made in your image,
see them starving on their feet
‘cause they don’t get enough to eat
from God
I can’t believe in you

Dear God,
Sorry to disturb you, but…
I feel that I should be heard loud and clear
We all need a big reduction in amount of tears
and all the people that you made in your image,
see them fighting in the street
‘cause they can’t make opinions meet
about God
I can’t believe in you

Did you make disease,
and the diamond blue?
Did you make mankind
after we made you?
And the devil too!

Dear God,
Don’t know if you noticed, but…
your name is on a lot of quotes in this book,
and us crazy humans wrote it, you should take a look,
and all the people that you made in your image
still believing that junk is true.
Well I know it ain’t, and so do you,
dear God,
I can’t believe in
I don’t believe in

I won’t believe in heaven and hell.
No saints, no sinners, no devil as well.
No pearly gates, no thorny crown.
You’re always letting us humans down.
The wars you bring, the babes you drown.
Those lost at sea and never found,
and it’s the same the whole world ‘round.
The hurt I see helps to compound
that Father, Son and Holy Ghost
is just somebody’s unholy hoax,
and if you’re up there you’d perceive
that my heart’s here upon my sleeve.
If there’s one thing I don’t believe in

It’s you…
Dear God

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107 comments

1 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:02:42pm

I just wrote this before heading off to bed, helped make me feel a bit better:

Missing an Angel

2 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:08:33pm
3 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:11:17pm

re: #1 dragonfire1981

I just wrote this before heading off to bed, helped make me feel a bit better:

Missing an Angel

That is pure honest beauty you shared. Nice and thanks

4 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:12:34pm

re: #1 dragonfire1981

I just wrote this before heading off to bed, helped make me feel a bit better:

Missing an Angel

Wonderful work, thanks

5 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:17:23pm

Evening Lizardim from the wild north country. I raced home from work to catch my wife at the door, holding the fishspawn as she was walking in from unloading the groceries from her car. I grabbed them both in a tight hug and I didn't ever want to let go. No parent should ever have to bury their child.

6 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:18:44pm

re: #1 dragonfire1981

I just wrote this before heading off to bed, helped make me feel a bit better:

Missing an Angel

Magnificent truth, this poem from the heart.

7 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:20:00pm

Another rabid zealot chimes in
[Link: www.politicususa.com...]

8 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:22:13pm

trouble with image

9 darthstar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:22:50pm
10 Cankles McCellulite  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:22:59pm

re: #1 dragonfire1981

You're so sweet.

11 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:23:24pm

re: #8 Randall Gross

Victoria Jackson

That just about made me physically ill. There is something not right with these people.

12 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:24:09pm

I guess the middle ground of today's insane talking points is that God would have stopped the tragedy if only he had a large enough handgun.

13 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:24:13pm
14 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:24:32pm

re: #7 Randall Gross

Another rabid zealot chimes in
[Link: www.politicususa.com...]

Bitch.

15 dragonath  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:25:09pm

Dear God is okay... but I still like the original LP, with "Mermaid Smiled" in the proper song order.

Andy Partridge's interviews are worth checking out.

16 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:27:17pm

re: #13 Randall Gross

Victoria Jackson chimes in

What a fucking nut.

17 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:28:58pm
18 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:29:06pm

Some can blame god for not preventing our sins. Some can wail their church was wrong. Some say He is most certainly not there. As those complaints echo to the wind we know this. A man did this thing today. A man who knows how to make hell on earth. We are again reminded God can be blamed for ethereal heaven and hell. But on earth, this place we inhabit and influence is on us. In His Image or not-Hell came today as a self inflicted wound of and by a man.

19 jaunte  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:30:55pm
20 Interesting Times  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:30:58pm
21 bubba zanetti  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:33:00pm

You know that joke where there's a flood and a guy is stranded, and every time someone tries to rescue him, he refuses, saying God will save him? And when he drowns and gets to heaven and asks "Why didn't you save me", God says "We sent you a boat and a helicopter, what more did you want?"

Every time we have a mass shooting, I imagine a similar punchline where God says "How many tragedies do I have to allow to get to you understand I don't like the way you treat guns?"

22 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:33:33pm

Here's what I don't get about folks like Huckabee and Fischer: are they presuming that none of the parents who lost children today prayed to God?

If there is a God out there looking in, wouldn't it then follow that he's beyond spiteful, purposely ignoring those prayers?

To be honest, I wouldn't give two cents courting the favor of Huckabee and Fischer's God.

23 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:33:53pm

The way this story unfolded today was horrific. At first it seemed a minor national interest with a few people being shot ( that happens every week in America ) I'm sick to my stomach with sadness and disgust tonight.

24 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:34:31pm

re: #23 A Man for all Seasons

The way this story unfolded today was horrific. At first it seemed a minor national interest with a few people being shot ( that happens every week in America ) I'm sick to my stomach with sadness and disgust tonight.

Yeah, you could see the collective attitude of our work team deflating as the day progressed and more news came in. Utterly sickening.

25 freetoken  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:35:24pm

All We Want for Christmas Is...Guns

It's a brief review of the dramatic rise in the background check requests, with a clear graph.

26 darthstar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:35:25pm

Note to self: When it's somewhere around 15 degrees outside and you've just come off the mountain, don't just sit down and relax after you get home. Turn the heat up first. Holy crap! The cold just hit. And when I got up to feed the dogs just now, all the muscles in my legs gave me a hearty, "FUCK YOU!" I guess I've skied more in the last two days than I was ready for...sheesh.

27 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:36:36pm

re: #26 darthstar

Note to self: When it's somewhere around 15 degrees outside and you've just come off the mountain, don't just sit down and relax after you get home. Turn the heat up first. Holy crap! The cold just hit. And when I got up to feed the dogs just now, all the muscles in my legs gave me a hearty, "FUCK YOU!" I guess I've skied more in the last two days than I was ready for...sheesh.

Yer gittin old.

28 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:38:27pm

re: #24 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Yeah, you could see the collective attitude of our work team deflating as the day progressed and more news came in. Utterly sickening.

We had our office Christmas party. Very sober. Just wanted to get the hell out.

Now catching up. If this one doesn't bring change, nothing will.

Little kids.

29 Cankles McCellulite  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:38:30pm

re: #23 A Man for all Seasons

I first heard about a "school shooting" and thought "well another school shooting hope no one was hurt" Then I heard there were students shot and for some reason I was thinking it was a few students at a college which is bad enough. Then I heard it was over 20 killed?! I thought OMG. Then I saw the news and people leading little babies out of a school. I just couldn't wrap my head around it.

31 darthstar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:41:08pm

re: #27 b_sharp

Yer gittin old.

True dat. But this house heats up very fast...temps are already about 5 degrees higher than a few minutes ago. I know we'll spend more than the 3,000 dollars we budgeted for gas this winter, but fuck it. I like warm. And I was cold as fuck on the mountain all day...even the pro patrollers were bitching about the cold...make two or three runs and you needed to get inside to defrost. How the paying customers stayed outside all day is beyond me...they all looked miserable as they were unloading the chairs...and this is what the visibility was like at the top.

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32 darthstar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:42:28pm

re: #31 darthstar

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Notice the absence of skiers on the lift...there were probably less than a hundred people still skiing by 2:00.

33 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:42:54pm

You know when I think back to how Huckabee was portrayed when running for the GOP nod, they talked about him as folksy, grandfatherly and as a pastor you could go to for advice. As I listen to him today he sounds like a spiteful fucking ideologue who wouldn't know how to console someone in grief if his life depended on it. Huckabee does more to harm the cause of religion in this statement than he has done to help it in his lifetime. I for one hope he burns in hell for it. Not that i believe in that sort of thing, but I take comfort in the fact that he does.

34 bubba zanetti  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:43:50pm

So let's say, theoretically, that you run the NRA and this latest event turns out to be a the proverbial straw and you start seeing a decrease in membership and the message from up high on the Hill is that you're going to have to participate in the political process, and the answer can't be "more guns".

What is the regulation you suggest?

35 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:44:13pm

re: #32 darthstar

What mountain? Heading to Whistler next week. :)

36 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:44:21pm

re: #32 darthstar

Notice the absence of skiers on the lift...there were probably less than a hundred people still skiing by 2:00.

Is that Heavenly Valley?

37 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:44:23pm

Ah, ya gotta love it. Two years ago, any monkey could do their job. Yesterday, they were violent union thugs. But today, everybody and his uncle thinks that teachers can be trusted to pack heat in the classroom and put down a crazed gunman with virtually no training or experience.

Some people learn lessons from tragedy. Yet, 61 shootings later, the gun cultists keep thinking the same lesson is "We need more people with guns."

38 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:44:36pm

re: #31 darthstar

True dat. But this house heats up very fast...temps are already about 5 degrees higher than a few minutes ago. I know we'll spend more than the 3,000 dollars we budgeted for gas this winter, but fuck it. I like warm. And I was cold as fuck on the mountain all day...even the pro patrollers were bitching about the cold...make two or three runs and you needed to get inside to defrost. How the paying customers stayed outside all day is beyond me...they all looked miserable as they were unloading the chairs...and this is what the visibility was like at the top.

Image: 282952_10151314358933024_217288286_n.jpg

Looks like here, but higher.

39 jaunte  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:45:01pm
40 freetoken  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:45:40pm

re: #34 bubba zanetti

But, as I linked upstream, the sales of guns is surging.

Statistics of buyers indicated that many of these guns are going to current owners and not first time buyers.

Which implies that the die-hard gun nut is becoming even more so.

Thus, if the NRA relies of said nuts for their base, why ought they change?

41 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:45:54pm

re: #39 jaunte

and on any other day, that might be newsworthy.....

42 Interesting Times  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:45:56pm

How technologically feasible is it to manufacture guns that can only be fired by the owner, e.g. fingerprint scan or some other ID method?

43 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:45:59pm

re: #34 bubba zanetti

So let's say, theoretically, that you run the NRA and this latest event turns out to be a the proverbial straw and you start seeing a decrease in membership and the message from up high is that you're going to participate in the political process, and the answer can't be "more guns".

What is the regulation you suggest?

You scream that anybody who says more regulation is needed is stomping all over the Constitution and taking means of defense from millions of "responsible gun owners," then spend millions fighting any attempts at regulation that doesn't include putting guns in the hands of more Americans.

//

44 darthstar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:46:29pm

re: #35 Petero1818

What mountain? Heading to Whistler next week. :)

I patrol at Alpine Meadows. Here's my first first-aid work of the season:
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Got his paw caught under a ski edge. But don't worry about the dog...he's a professional rescue dog...he knows the risks.

45 jaunte  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:46:39pm

re: #41 Petero1818

Single shootings, just part of the background noise.

46 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:47:37pm

re: #34 bubba zanetti

Oh please, they have a fervently faithful core and incidents like this will result in a big increase in donations because the NRA will send out mail emblazoned with "Obama will use this tragedy to steal your guns! Unless you send money NOW!"

It's a pipe-dream. The only regulation they're going to suggest would be something that makes it mandatory for certain people to carry weapons, and be trained in them.

47 bubba zanetti  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:47:43pm

re: #40 freetoken

I was asking theoretically, I thought that was clear. Lets see if the edit window is still open...

48 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:48:31pm

re: #42 Interesting Times

How technologically feasible is it to manufacture guns that can only be fired by the owner, e.g. fingerprint scan or some other ID method?

We have that already. It's called a trigger lock.

49 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:49:28pm

re: #23 A Man for all Seasons

The way this story unfolded today was horrific. At first it seemed a minor national interest with a few people being shot ( that happens every week in America ) I'm sick to my stomach with sadness and disgust tonight.

That right there is part of the problem, isn't it? We've become inured to the tragedy of it. It's like some kind of monumentally fucked up cultural Overton Window.

Just one innocent life--what is the loss? The loss is everyone whose lives they would have touched by word or action, and the lives those people would have touched in turn, like concentric circles. And all of their descendents... how many hundreds, nay thousands of people over many generations would they have touched? Just innocent one life--to kill one innocent truly is like like killing all of mankind.

50 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:49:33pm

re: #42 Interesting Times

How technologically feasible is it to manufacture guns that can only be fired by the owner, e.g. fingerprint scan or some other ID method?

Not very yet. All the electronic versions have been shown to be easily spoofed. The best one was one of the first back in the 80's. A lock is put on the mainspring of the firearm - in this case a S&W revolver - and a magnetic ring is worn by the owner of the firearm. If you're holding it correctly, the spring can move and the gun can fire. If not, it's locked into place.

Safes remain the best way to keep unauthorized users away from a gun.

51 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:51:21pm

re: #42 Interesting Times

How technologically feasible is it to manufacture guns that can only be fired by the owner, e.g. fingerprint scan or some other ID method?

Already available, however prohibitively expensive (well, they claim that it'll hurt business, so of course it is never mandated).

52 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:53:06pm

re: #49 CuriousLurker

I think it's 21st century numbness. There is no shock for the loss of one life anymore. It sucks

53 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:54:07pm

re: #50 William Barnett-Lewis

Not very yet. All the electronic versions have been shown to be easily spoofed. The best one was one of the first back in the 80's. A lock is put on the mainspring of the firearm - in this case a S&W revolver - and a magnetic ring is worn by the owner of the firearm. If you're holding it correctly, the spring can move and the gun can fire. If not, it's locked into place.

Safes remain the best way to keep unauthorized users away from a gun.

If you own firearms, you should own a safe to hold them. If they get stolen from a person and used in a crime because they weren't properly stowed away, that person should be culpable. If they break into a safe, well, then I'd say not, but if you have guns laying around for somebody to find, it should be your ass.

54 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:54:11pm

re: #42 Interesting Times

How technologically feasible is it to manufacture guns that can only be fired by the owner, e.g. fingerprint scan or some other ID method?

Quite possible I would think. Many laptops have fingerprint readers.

55 Interesting Times  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:55:35pm

re: #48 A Man for all Seasons

We have that already. It's called a trigger lock.

Hmmm...

There is controversy surrounding manufacturing standards, usage, and legislation of trigger locks. While supporters of trigger locks argue that they will save children from dying in gun accidents, critics point to demonstrations that some models can be removed by children with very little force and common household tools. Many firearms can go off if the gun is dropped.

I was envisioning something fancier, e.g. built into the trigger itself, "knows" when the owner's finger is on it, gun can't be fired otherwise (meaning someone couldn't use it even if they wrestled it from you).

56 dragonath  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:55:36pm

re: #50 William Barnett-Lewis

You know, seeing how the NRA goes nuts over goddamn gun locks, they probably regard a safe as satan's own creation.

57 JAFO  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:56:03pm

re: #54 b_sharp

Quite possible I would think. Many laptops have fingerprint readers.

Then you would have to worry about batteries for your gun, put them into the clip?

58 nines09  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:56:16pm

"I don't believe you, you had the whole damn thing all wrong
And he's not the kind you have to wind-up on a Sunday...."
Mike Huckabee is a reprehensible piece of shit and forever will remain a reprehensible piece of shit. He has no soul. what. so. ever. Toad.

59 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:56:39pm

re: #47 bubba zanetti

I was asking theoretically, I thought that was clear. Lets see if the edit window is still open...

No, you were clear, but as the others posted, it's something so unfeasible in today's gun climate that we can't even imagine it happening. It'd be like the Koch brothers deciding to give all their money away and asking us which charities do we think they should give it to.

60 jaunte  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:57:24pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

Ah, ya gotta love it. Two years ago, any monkey could do their job. Yesterday, they were violent union thugs. But today, everybody and his uncle thinks that teachers can be trusted to pack heat in the classroom and put down a crazed gunman with virtually no training or experience.

The logic is ineffable.

61 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:58:04pm

re: #52 A Man for all Seasons

I think it's 21st century numbness. There is no shock for the loss of one life anymore. It sucks

You know that doesn't make sense to me. The reality is life is held far more precious now that at any time in history. Remember that throughout history killing was considered a justifiable way of working out conflict and disagreement. Infant mortality rates were high, people were cut down in their prime for all sorts of things.
It is the fact that we live in the time that we do that makes acts of barbarism so hard to contemplate. We live in a part of the world that does mourn every killing. Go to India and China, you will find that violent death even of children often gets little attention or coverage.

62 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:58:17pm

re: #34 bubba zanetti

not gonna happen.

63 Kragar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:58:22pm

New gun design uses RFID to boost safety

Here’s how it works: a passive (batteryless) RFID tag is embedded in either a ring or a bracelet worn by the gun owner. Encoded to the tag is a unique number that an RFID reader embedded in the handle of the gun is programmed to recognize. As soon as the reader detects the tag, a microcontroller sends a message to a solenoid that is linked to the gun’s safety, making it possible to pull the trigger. “All that works in less than a quarter of a second,” says McNamara. “So as soon as you are ready to shoot, the gun is ready to shoot.”

64 freetoken  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:58:28pm

re: #59 Ghost of Tom Joad

I can readily believe the Kochs giving their money away (even if only in their wills) much more than I can believe that the NRA will ever change its basic stance of GUNS GUNS GUNS.

Note that the Kochs are big funders of the Smithsonian.

65 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:00:22pm

re: #57 JAFO

Then you would have to worry about batteries for your gun, put them into the clip?

It doesn't take much juice for a small chip, so the battery would have a several year lifespan.

66 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:00:42pm

re: #51 Ghost of Tom Joad

Already available, however prohibitively expensive (well, they claim that it'll hurt business, so of course it is never mandated).

It would be fairly expensive and it would greatly reduce the lifespan of a firearm, as well as make it far less suited for outdoor use. Electronic don't react well to water, and it can be plenty wet fairly swiftly near Lake Michigan.

67 Gus  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:01:10pm

Crying. Snif.

68 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:01:29pm

re: #67 Gus

Crying. Snif.

{{{Gus}}}

69 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:01:43pm

re: #55 Interesting Times

Smart guns have been criticized by gun-rights groups like the NRA[2] as well as by gun-control groups like the Violence Policy Center. Gun-rights groups generally feel that smart gun technology is an attempt to control citizen ownership of guns. The Violence Policy Center feels smart guns will make gun ownership more commonplace by making guns seem safer. [3]

Some smart gun technology uses a Verichip which is permanently embedded under the user's skin in order to activate the gun (and to prevent unauthorized users from stealing or duplicating a non-implanted ring or bracelet activator).[4] Verichip is a technology that has been strongly criticized by privacy advocates.

Many gun enthusiasts object to smart guns on a philosophical/regulatory basis as well as a technological basis. Gun expert Boston T. Party writing about smart guns on page 35/24 of Boston's Gun Bible says "No defensive firearm should ever rely upon any technology more advanced than Newtonian physics. That includes batteries, radio links, encryption, scanning devices and microcomputers. Even if a particular system could be 99.9% reliable, that means it is expected to fail once every 1000 operations. That is not reliable enough. My life deserves more certainty."

Just a quick blurb from the Smart Gun wiki. So what you have is a lack of research into it by actual gun companies as well as the gun-nut lobbyists crying about freedom etc. It's one of those things, like clean energy, that would probably be commonplace in today's world if there wasn't so much effort and money in lobbying against it.

70 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:02:02pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

It would be fairly expensive and it would greatly reduce the lifespan of a firearm, as well as make it far less suited for outdoor use. Electronic don't react well to water, and it can be plenty wet fairly swiftly near Lake Michigan.

Electronics can be covered with a waterproof foam.

71 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:03:53pm

re: #42 Interesting Times

How technologically feasible is it to manufacture guns that can only be fired by the owner, e.g. fingerprint scan or some other ID method?

It's a lot easier to make biometric locks and safes than to incorporate that into the action of the gun itself. They can also be spoofed.

re: #50 William Barnett-Lewis

Not very yet. All the electronic versions have been shown to be easily spoofed. The best one was one of the first back in the 80's. A lock is put on the mainspring of the firearm - in this case a S&W revolver - and a magnetic ring is worn by the owner of the firearm. If you're holding it correctly, the spring can move and the gun can fire. If not, it's locked into place.

Good for keeping your gun from being used against you in a scuffle but still pretty easy to defeat though.

72 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:04:29pm

re: #70 b_sharp

Electronics can be covered with a waterproof foam.

It still adds bulk, and the ring current smart gun tech uses would be impossible to wear and use with gloves (and you're not going outside on foot patrol (this applies only to police) or hunting in Illinois or Wisconsin on a cold winter day without gloves).

73 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:04:41pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

It would be fairly expensive and it would greatly reduce the lifespan of a firearm, as well as make it far less suited for outdoor use. Electronic don't react well to water, and it can be plenty wet fairly swiftly near Lake Michigan.

Hi D_F I think the shock from a high powered handgun would shake the electronics to pieces in little time. think dropping a cell phone repeatedly.

74 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:04:48pm

re: #70 b_sharp

Electronics can be covered with a waterproof foam.

If they can waterproof an expensive watch that I can go diving with down to 120 feet, they can waterproof a tiny chip in a gun.

75 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:05:07pm

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76 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:05:11pm

re: #69 Ghost of Tom Joad

Just a quick blurb from the Smart Gun wiki. So what you have is a lack of research into it by actual gun companies as well as the gun-nut lobbyists crying about freedom etc. It's one of those things, like clean energy, that would probably be commonplace in today's world if there wasn't so much effort and money in lobbying against it.

My life deserves more certainty.

I guess 20 young kids didn't deserve that certainty.

77 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:05:42pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

It's a lot easier to make biometric locks and safes than to incorporate that into the action of the gun itself. They can also be spoofed.

re: #50 William Barnett-Lewis

Good for keeping your gun from being used against you in a scuffle but still pretty easy to defeat though.

Concur with Frank on this one. A biometric safe would be safer and more reliable than trying to incorporate the electronic systems into the guns.

78 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:06:46pm

re: #73 A Man for all Seasons

Hi D_F I think the shock from a high powered handgun would shake the electronics to pieces in little time. think dropping a cell phone repeatedly.

Car computers are shaken violently every time the car travels down a country road. They survive years of bone jarring bumps.

79 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:08:27pm

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80 dragonath  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:08:39pm

Just found out that NRA endorses a line of gun safes. I guess they'll do anything for a little licensing lucre. I find that interesting since they've supported anti gun lock legislation in the past.

Peer into the wingnut mind

81 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:08:42pm

re: #78 b_sharp

Car computers are shaken violently every time the car travels down a country road. They survive years of bone jarring bumps.

If they wanted to do it (gun companies) and put some money and research towards it, they'd find a cheap, safe, and reliable way to do it. I fervently believe that.

82 jaunte  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:09:41pm

re: #80 dragonath

The bad guy is (of course) carrying a knife.

83 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:09:48pm

re: #81 Ghost of Tom Joad

If they wanted to do it (gun companies) and put some money and research towards it, they'd find a cheap, safe, and reliable way to do it. I fervently believe that.

Sounds like a simple problem to me.

84 Gus  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:10:10pm

re: #68 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

{{{Gus}}}

The rage went down. Started thinking about the 20 munchkin kindergartners. 20.

85 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:10:36pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Now -17 since you and I downdinged him again.

And just registered today too. Weird how stuff like this always brings the creepy crawlies out.

86 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:10:46pm

re: #84 Gus

The rage went down. Started thinking about the 20 munchkin kindergartners. 20.

Me too bro.

87 Gus  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:11:18pm

Would it be diabolical of me to think we should bury the perp without his head? Have I been influenced by some religious sect? :O

88 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:12:54pm

re: #87 Gus

Would it be diabolical of me to think we should bury the perp without his head? Have I been influenced by some religious sect? :O

Might as well stick a stake in the heart too.

89 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:12:58pm

re: #84 Gus

The rage went down. Started thinking about the 20 munchkin kindergartners. 20.

Me too. {{{Gus}}}

I think it knocked the wind out of everybody today. Well, almost everybody.

90 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:13:47pm

re: #78 b_sharp

Car computers are shaken violently every time the car travels down a country road. They survive years of bone jarring bumps.

Hey bro.. Biometrics currently suck right now on laptops. Half the time it fails or it needs reimaging. That's why most people don't use that feature.
/The funniest time was my boss getting locked out of his laptop and watching him panic.. Priceless

91 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:14:28pm

re: #87 Gus

Would it be diabolical of me to think we should bury the perp without his head? Have I been influenced by some religious sect? :O

No, that's OK. In a case where this sort of dirtbag kills himself, I'm all for posthumous degradation. I'd favor cremation and dumping of the ashes into a hole in the ground without ceremony.

92 Gus  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:14:37pm

re: #89 CuriousLurker

Me too. {{{Gus}}}

I think it knocked the wind out of everybody today. Well, almost everybody.

Freaking shock. Such horror.

93 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:14:43pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

It's a lot easier to make biometric locks and safes than to incorporate that into the action of the gun itself. They can also be spoofed.

re: #50 William Barnett-Lewis

Good for keeping your gun from being used against you in a scuffle but still pretty easy to defeat though.

Agreed it's nowhere near perfect. I just meant that it's the best I've run into so far. It's real good for kid saftey as if they're too young to understand that it's the ring they won't figure out spoofing it.

94 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:14:53pm

re: #87 Gus

Would it be diabolical of me to think we should bury the perp without his head? Have I been influenced by some religious sect? :O

Did you never see Sleepy Hollow? Throw his ass into a shark-infested area of the ocean and be done with it.

95 Gus  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:15:51pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

No, that's OK. In a case where this sort of dirtbag kills himself, I'm all for posthumous degradation. I'd favor cremation and dumping of the ashes into hole in the ground without ceremony.

Bury him at sea. Right where they dropped OBL. Because that's were this terrorist belongs.

96 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:16:46pm

re: #86 b_sharp

Me too bro.

I kept thinking about the families that are celebrating Hanukkah right now, and the ones who are going to have to face Christmas and the gifts under the tree that will never be opened. Okay, I'm going back out... can't take this.

97 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:17:48pm

re: #90 A Man for all Seasons

Hey bro.. Biometrics currently suck right now on laptops. Half the time it fails or it needs reimaging. That's why most people don't use that feature.
/The funniest time was my boss getting locked out of his laptop and watching him panic.. Priceless

How long do problems like that stump us? Biometrics on laptops are just a gimmick. A year of serious work would change that.

98 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:19:39pm

re: #95 Gus

Bury him at sea. Right where they dropped OBL. Because that's were this terrorist belongs.

He doesn't deserve to have that kind of money spent on him. For a case as nasty as this, after you've dumped the ashes into a hole have a dog take a dump into the hole. Message: "So long, dogshit."

99 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:20:09pm

re: #96 CuriousLurker

(((CL)))

100 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:20:12pm

re: #97 b_sharp

How long do problems like that stump us? Biometrics on laptops are just a gimmick. A year of serious work would change that.

Some states require you to have trigger locks on your guns. Low tech solution that solves the security issue

101 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:20:31pm

re: #34 bubba zanetti

So let's say, theoretically, that you run the NRA and this latest event turns out to be a the proverbial straw and you start seeing a decrease in membership and the message from up high on the Hill is that you're going to have to participate in the political process, and the answer can't be "more guns".

What is the regulation you suggest?

Just to be brief something like pilots licenses. Just a conversation starter.

102 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:29:36pm

re: #63 Kragar

New gun design uses RFID to boost safety

The type of RFID that TriggerSmart uses, 13.56 MHz, is the same technology on which many RFID-based identification cards are based. It’s also the technology used in the RFID-secured passports, issued by the United States and many other countries.

So I only have to jam one frequency to render the gun inoperable?

103 darthstar  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:33:47pm

These are the kind of people I think are a waste of oxygen... @Pray_Newton - a new twitter account with 136,000 followers posting emotional crap to prey on the feelings of people trying to deal with this tragedy.

Fortunately, some people are calling this asshole out.

104 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:35:27pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

So I only have to jam one frequency to render the gun inoperable?

And best of all: the jammers are already produced and there are places where civilians can buy them. RFID for guns isn't very workable.

105 alpuz  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:21:50pm

Great post. I've loved this song since I hit my early 20's all the while being into the heavier stuff. Fitting.

Dear God,
Don’t know if you noticed, but…
your name is on a lot of quotes in this book,
and us crazy humans wrote it, you should take a look,
and all the people that you made in your image
still believing that junk is true.
Well I know it ain’t, and so do you,

106 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 9:24:31pm

re: #84 Gus

The same here. The pro-gun thing is no longer true. I am now in favor of several forms of gun control.

107 alpuz  Fri, Dec 14, 2012 9:55:33pm

Youtube led me here. I'ma gonna follow this path for awhile.

'night.


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