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NRA Breaks Silence, Promises ‘Meaningful Contributions’

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The National Rifle Association went into complete lockdown after the Newtown massacre, and even shut down their Facebook page, but four days later they’ve emerged from the bunker: NRA Promises ‘Meaningful’ Contributions.

National Rifle Association of America is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters - and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown.

Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting.

The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.

The NRA is planning to hold a major news conference in the Washington, DC area on Friday, December 21.

I feel pretty safe predicting that the NRA’s “meaningful contributions” are going to involve MOAR GUNZ.

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142 comments

1 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:37:04pm

re: #23 Ghost of Tom Joad

Oh please. They're just going to jump on the Moar Gunz!! failwagon.

2 allegro  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:38:04pm

Bet they offer a free year membership to teachers. That'll do it.

3 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:39:01pm
I feel pretty safe predicting that the NRA’s “meaningful contributions” are going to involve MOAR GUNZ.

More than likely. Wouldn't be surprised if they've been waiting for the pundits to set the stage, before coming out to argue that the problem is not too many guns, it's too many crazy people not being locked up.

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:39:26pm

re: #1 Ghost of Tom Joad

Hey, maybe they'll surprise everyone, and actually come up with some constructive ideas for ending America's ongoing epidemic of gun violence!

Naaahh.

5 Interesting Times  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:39:33pm

As I posted downstairs:

6 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:40:03pm

Meaningful contribution. Actions speak louder than words. Let's see what they say on the 21st, and what they do going forward.

If past history is an guide, I'm not counting on much other than opposing even the weakest kind of gun restrictions offered up.

7 allegro  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:40:13pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Hey, maybe they'll surprise everyone, and actually come up with some constructive ideas for ending America's ongoing epidemic of gun violence!

Naaahh.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA! You've been eating funny pills agin!

8 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:40:17pm

One: set up a straw man - "We oppose Obama's planned repeal of the Second Amendment"

Second: give us examples of armed citizens defending themselves with guns: "Granny 79, guns down attacker in her nightgown, recovers nightgown."

Third: propose "meaningful action" that does nothing to restrict gun access or sales "More training, and mental health care, better enforcement of existing legislation"


and of course

MORE GUNS

9 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:40:24pm

I'll believe this when I see it, given LaPierre's propensity to double down in the face of any rumblings of further gun regulations.

10 Interesting Times  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:40:27pm
11 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:40:43pm

Yes - watch for a strong emphasis on the "mental health" angle. They've had proxy shills all over the media pushing this hard ever since Friday.

12 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:41:32pm

Is there any doubt about why a good portion of the world views the US as populated by cowboys?

Yippy-ki-ay, motherfucker.

13 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:42:30pm

re: #12 b_sharp

Buckaroos. /Marko Ramius

14 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:43:06pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

They're just going to trot out another strawman for the rubes to beat on. They couldn't give a rat's ass. The re-election of PBO and this latest rash of gun-related tragedies is helping to overfill their coffers and the coffers of the weapons manufacturers.

If they come out supporting anything remotely close to weapons restrictions/bans/regulations I'll eat my shoe on live T.V.

15 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:43:16pm

re: #12 b_sharp

Is there any doubt about why a good portion of the world views the US as populated by cowboys?

Yippy-ki-ay, motherfucker.

America Fuck Yeah, Pardner.

16 Kragar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:43:45pm

I expect those contributions to be mainly to their lobbyists to make sure they stay in the paranoid gun owner business.

17 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:44:12pm

re: #13 lawhawk

Buckaroos. /Marko Ramius

NRA acted stupidly.

18 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:44:56pm

re: #17 b_sharp

NRA acted stupidly.

Wasn't it foolishly?

edit: nevermind. Haven't seen that one in a while.

19 kirkspencer  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:44:58pm

re: #8 Sol Berdinowitz

One: set up a straw man - "We oppose Obama's planned repeal of the Second Amendment"

Second: give us examples of armed citizens defending themselves with guns: "Granny 79, guns down attacker in her nightgown, recovers nightgown."

Third: propose "meaningful action" that does nothing to restrict gun access or sales "More training, and mental health care, better enforcement of existing legislation"

and of course

MORE GUNS

You are missing one. Repeal Obamacare and use the money saved to pay for the mental health changes. Said mental health changes are increased identification of people as criminally insane with attendant incarceration.

20 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:45:24pm

re: #13 lawhawk

Buckaroos. /Marko Ramius

"'Ryan, some things in here don't react well to bullets.' Yeah, like me. I don't react well to bullets."

21 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:46:46pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

"'Ryan, some things in here don't react well to bullets.' Yeah, like me. I don't react well to bullets."

"Ruskies don't take a dump without a plan."

22 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:47:08pm

re: #18 Ghost of Tom Joad

Wasn't it foolishly?

That too.
The quote is "stupidly" when talking to Ryan about his book.

23 Kragar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:47:59pm

‘Stand your ground’ cited in shooting of whiny Little Caesars Pizza customer

A Florida man is using the state’s “stand your ground” law as a defense after he shot a customer who was complaining about slow service at a St. Petersburg Little Caesars Pizza restaurant.

Randall White, 49, was in line waiting for his pizza on Sunday when he began complaining that he wasn’t being served fast enough. According to the Tampa Bay Times, 52-year-old Michael Jock was also in line and scolded White for whining.

The two began arguing and it eventually “became a shoving match,” police spokesperson Mike Puetz said.

After White allegedly raised his fist, Jock pulled out a .38 Taurus Ultralight Special Revolver and fired a shot into the man’s torso. A second shot also hit White in the torso. One round became lodged in the restaurant wall.

When police arrived, Jock told them that the shooting had been justified under Florida’s “stand your ground” law, which says that gun owners do not have a “duty to retreat.”

24 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:48:02pm

re: #22 b_sharp

"What books?"

Yeah, couldn't remember it exactly.

25 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:51:32pm

re: #23 Kragar

‘Stand your ground’ cited in shooting of whiny Little Caesars Pizza customer

Ugh, not this stupid fucking law again.

Wearing a hoodie.
Loud music.
Whining about fast-food service.

What's next?

26 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:52:14pm

re: #25 Ghost of Tom Joad

Ugh, not this stupid fucking law again.

Wearing a hoodie.
Loud music.
Whining about fast-food service.

What's next?

Blog comments asking "what's next?"

27 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:52:19pm

Both the NRA and Grover Norquist should be mocked, belittled, then ignored for the rest of eternity.

28 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:53:01pm

I might be a blind optimist, but I consider the NRA to be amoral. They're not Immoral, nor are they Moral. But they also know the bottom line matters. If they don't offer something but the usual platitudes, they know they're going to lose a boatload of money.

I think the NRA will actually be constructive, not because they're good guys, but because they don't want to lose money.

29 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:55:25pm

Not holding my breath.

30 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:56:25pm

re: #28 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

I might be a blind optimist, but I consider the NRA to be amoral. They're not Immoral, nor are they Moral. But they also know the bottom line matters. If they don't offer something but the usual platitudes, they know they're going to lose a boatload of money.

I think the NRA will actually be constructive, not because they're good guys, but because they don't want to lose money.

In other words, any action taken by the NRA in response to Newtown is not because it's right and decent, but because it will benefit them by taking some of the public's heat off of the organization.

31 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:58:57pm

re: #30 TedStriker

In other words, any action taken by the NRA in response to Newtown is not because it's right and decent, but because it will benefit them.

Honestly, if it means we get some constructive movement towards a sane policy on guns/extended ammo clips/mental health care. Then I could care less if it's motivated by Satan and little Red Demons jumping up and down on someone's metaphorical shoulder. :)

I refuse to make the NRA out to be the good guy, but that doesn't mean they can't do good deeds.

32 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:59:45pm

re: #28 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

I might be a blind optimist, but I consider the NRA to be amoral. They're not Immoral, nor are they Moral. But they also know the bottom line matters. If they don't offer something but the usual platitudes, they know they're going to lose a boatload of money.

I think the NRA will actually be constructive, not because they're good guys, but because they don't want to lose money.

Have to respectfully disagree, the NRA has continued to press for dismantling of gun control laws and for greater "freedom" of gun owners despite stating that they support "reasonable gun control laws" and their membership votes as such in polls run both by the organization and outside pollsters. If they were in danger of losing money from this, they'd have moved sooner, not after the groundwork had been laid to blame this incident on a lack of "adequate" mental health care access.

33 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:00:59pm

The world really will end on the 21st if the NRA has anything genuinely constructive to say.

34 Kragar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:01:48pm

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel

The world really will end on the 21st if the NRA has anything genuinely constructive to say.

I think they're waiting till the 21st to see if they'll get bailed out by the world ending before the press conference.

35 Bulworth  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:02:04pm

I expect they will announce that after years and years of staying out of the political world, they will partner up with another group of political innocents, an outfit known as ALEC, and humbly submit for the consideration of the various states some well meaning pieces of legislation. ///

36 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:03:45pm

I'm seeing a sea change in attitudes about the NRA here in Oklahoma.
Everyone I've spoken too are shocked and disgusted about what happened and that people don't need to own military stock piles.

37 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:04:50pm

re: #23 Kragar

‘Stand your ground’ cited in shooting of whiny Little Caesars Pizza customer

An armed society is a polite society...or else I kill you!

/

38 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:06:24pm

NRA's problems are at the top. As long as they continue to have an individual like Wayne LaPierre acting as its president. I will be very reluctant to believe that they want to engage in constructive change. His sole goal seems not to protect arms ownership but to stroke up the fears of those who own arms and the two despite what he may believe are two totally different things.

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:07:07pm

re: #23 Kragar

‘Stand your ground’ cited in shooting of whiny Little Caesars Pizza customer

"When police arrived, Jock told them that the shooting had been justified under Florida’s “stand your ground” law, which says that gun owners do not have a “duty to retreat.”

And nobody saw this one coming? The lawmakers should be sued for negligence...

40 Mattand  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:07:58pm

re: #8 Sol Berdinowitz

One: set up a straw man - "We oppose Obama's planned repeal of the Second Amendment"

Second: give us examples of armed citizens defending themselves with guns: "Granny 79, guns down attacker in her nightgown, recovers nightgown."

Third: propose "meaningful action" that does nothing to restrict gun access or sales "More training, and mental health care, better enforcement of existing legislation"

and of course

MORE GUNS

One morning, I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.

41 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:07:59pm

Meanwhile, the GOP isn't even waiting for the marching orders:

Top House GOPer: Gun Legislation Not Happening

“We’re going to take a look at what happened there and what can be done to help avoid it in the future, but gun control is not going to be something that I would support,” he said.

Goodlatte, who has an “A” rating from the National Rifle Association, has been elected by his conference to chair the House Judiciary Committee next year, where he will have jurisdiction over firearms regulations.

His comments are the most unequivocal statement yet from a high-ranking Republican shutting down the idea of gun control after what happened in Connecticut.

42 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:08:06pm

Some fairly big players in the gun business have bailed on assault weapons this time, something they have not done before. The industry majors themselves may be thinking about closing that shop, leaving it to the niche manufacturers like Bushmaster, or various shady importers, to fight the losing legislative battle. They look good by getting out without being forced, and it doesn't really cost them anything since it is a lost cause anyway.

43 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:08:51pm

Meanwhile the "CheaperThanDirt: Sorry we don't sell guns anymore" thread on Facebook has already gone above 10,000 posts from wingnuts swearing they will never shop on the site again. Lots of "How could you betray the 2nd amendment and your customers like this?" Good times!

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

44 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:08:55pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the GOP isn't even waiting for the marching orders:

Top House GOPer: Gun Legislation Not Happening

Goodlatte: Because Eric Cantor needed help making Virginia look bad.

45 Mattand  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:09:20pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the GOP isn't even waiting for the marching orders:

Top House GOPer: Gun Legislation Not Happening

Yeah, given that, I think whatever the NRA and Capt. Hollowpoint say on Friday will be fairly anti-climatic.

46 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:10:44pm

re: #31 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Honestly, if it means we get some constructive movement towards a sane policy on guns/extended ammo clips/mental health care. Then I could care less if it's motivated by Satan and little Red Demons jumping up and down on someone's metaphorical shoulder. :)

I refuse to make the NRA out to be the good guy, but that doesn't mean they can't do good deeds.

Only because they will have been dragged kicking-and- screaming into doing anything that isn't seen to be only benefiting the NRA.

47 Tigger2  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:11:10pm

re: #36 A Man for all Seasons

I'm seeing a sea change in attitudes about the NRA here in Oklahoma.
Everyone I've spoken too are shocked and disgusted about what happened and that people don't need to own military stock piles.

I believe people that think they need to own military stock piles falls into the Mental Health Problem the right has been pushing. lol

48 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:12:09pm

I'm not hopeful.

49 Bulworth  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:13:01pm
“We’re going to take a look at what happened there and what can be done except for any meaningful action on gun or bullet control to help avoid it in the future, but gun control is not going to be something that I would supportno matter how many kids are shot multiple times and killed at a school,” he said.
50 darthstar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:13:33pm

First 24 hour solar generator...

[Link: phys.org...]

51 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:14:53pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Yes - watch for a strong emphasis on the "mental health" angle. They've had proxy shills all over the media pushing this hard ever since Friday.

David Kopel in the WSJ:

[...]

Real gun-free zones are a wonderful idea, but they are only real if they are created by metal detectors backed up by armed guards. Pretend gun-free zones, where law-abiding adults (who pass a fingerprint-based background check and a safety training class) are still disarmed, are magnets for evildoers who know they will be able to murder at will with little threat of being fired upon.

People who are serious about preventing the next Newtown should embrace much greater funding for mental health, strong laws for civil commitment of the violently mentally ill—and stop kidding themselves that pretend gun-free zones will stop killers.

David Kopel:

[...]

Kopel opposes gun control and is a benefactor member of the National Rifle Association. His articles on gun control and gun violence have been cited in the Opposing Viewpoints Series.[4] In 2003, Kopel wrote in National Review "Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not have been able to murder 21 million people.[5]" He recently contributed an article to the 59th Volume of the Syracuse Law Review entitled "The Natural Right of Self-Defense: Heller's Lesson for the World."[6] He is a critic of Michael Moore and provided a list of what he characterized as Moore's "deceits".[7][8] He appeared in FahrenHYPE 9/11, a film that disputes the allegations in Fahrenheit 9/11.

52 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:14:54pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

NRA's problems are at the top. As long as they continue to have an individual like Wayne LaPierre acting as its president. I will be very reluctant to believe that they want to engage in constructive change. His sole goal seems not to protect arms ownership but to stroke up the fears of those who own arms and the two despite what he may believe are two totally different things.

It is a business, he whips up the fear and gets more donations, his members also buy more guns. The gun companies and ammo manufacturers that are nearly the sole advertisers in the NRA's publications are happy with the increased gun sales. They also then donate money and products (for testing, auctions, giveaway raffles, etc) to the NRA.

Rinse, Repeat...

53 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:15:20pm

re: #49 Bulworth

Maybe he'd feel differently if one of his children or grandchildren were killed. That's usually what it takes for some of these wingnuts to realize we have important issues, when it hits close to home for them.

54 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:15:44pm

One problem for mobs like Bushmaster is that they don't make anything but assault weapons. There are a number of such manufacturers out there, pinpointing a kind of psycho boutique market. They knew they were taking a chance when they started, and now they will lose. Free enterprise, doncha' know.

55 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:16:37pm

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel

One problem for mobs like Bushmaster is that they don't make anything but assault weapons. There are a number of such manufacturers out there, pinpointing a kind of psycho boutique market. They knew they were taking a chance when they started, and now they will lose. Free enterprise, doncha' know.

They definitely have the "I need a gun to affirm my masculinity" demo covered.

56 Tigger2  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:18:16pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Maybe he'd feel differently if one of his children or grandchildren were killed. That's usually what it takes for some of these wingnuts to realize we have important issues, when it hits close to home for them.

We just had someone call up today and threaten a school in the town I live in, so fuck Wayne LaPierre.

57 makeitstop  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:18:20pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Maybe he'd feel differently if one of his children or grandchildren were killed. That's usually what it takes for some of these wingnuts to realize we have important issues, when it hits close to home for them.

That's why Cerberus bailed on Freedom Group today - one of their big cheeses lives in Newtown, CT.

Although to be fair, the California teachers' union threatening to move over $700 million away from them might have had something to do with it.

58 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:18:28pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

They definitely have the "I need a gun to affirm my masculinity" demo covered.

I think Congress is going to revoke their man card.

59 Kragar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:19:44pm

Conservative Historian Warns Obama and Democrats are 'Much More Radical' than Marxists

Eagle Forum founder Phyllis Schlafy brought on conservative historian Don Critchlow, who wrote a fawning biography of Schlafly, as her guest on Saturday’s Eagle Forum Live to promote his new book, Takeover: How the Left’s Quest for Social Justice Corrupted Liberalism. He told Schlafly that President Obama and today’s Democratic Party have a “more insidious” and “much more radical agenda, actually, than what the old communists were talking about,” as they plan to take away “real rights” and “control the way we live.”

60 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:20:13pm

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel

If someone is seriously talking about Man Cards, they never had one.

61 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:21:20pm

re: #59 Kragar

Conservative Historian Warns Obama and Democrats are 'Much More Radical' than Marxists

Well, we're actually getting somewhere because Phyillis Schalfry's attitudes on gender and sexuality are actually closer to what many old Communists than what today's liberals believe*
*That's not a good thing.

62 RadicalModerate  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:21:40pm

Five bucks says that this is still being sold at various NRA and "Tea Party" events across the nation, and will be at the CPAC annual gathering this coming March.

NRA-Approved "gun licensing"

63 Tigger2  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:21:47pm

re: #59 Kragar

Conservative Historian Warns Obama and Democrats are 'Much More Radical' than Marxists

Yeah because "Social Justice" is such a bad thing, wingnuts are crazy.

64 Kragar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:23:07pm

Let Us Prey: Big Trouble at First Baptist Church

The true believers of the ultrafundamentalist Independent Baptist movement were accustomed to Schaap’s style. If he wasn’t scolding his flock for not living up to God’s demands (tithing, volunteering, “soul winning”), he was delivering R-rated sermons that, for example, likened the Lord’s Supper to having sex with Jesus Christ. “He would just repeatedly talk about sex and repeatedly talk about women, how they were dressed and body parts . . . in graphic detail,” recalls Tom Brennan, who attended the church for six years and is now an Independent Baptist pastor at Maplewood Bible Baptist Church in Chicago.

Unfortunately, it went well beyond talk. Last September, Schaap, 54, a married father of two, pleaded guilty to taking a 16-year-old girl he was counseling at First Baptist across state lines to have sex. Denied bond, he awaits sentencing in the Porter County Jail; the minimum term is ten years.

But Schaap is not simply one of those rogue evangelists who thunders against the evils of forbidden sex while indulging in it himself. According to dozens of current and former church members, religion experts, and historians interviewed by Chicago—plus a review of thousands of pages of court documents—he is part of what some call a deeply embedded culture of misogyny and sexual and physical abuse at one of the nation’s largest churches. Multiple websites tracking the First Baptist Church of Hammond have identified more than a dozen men with ties to the church—many of whom graduated from its college, Hyles-Anderson, or its annual Pastors’ Schools—who fanned out around the country, preaching at their own churches and racking up a string of arrests and civil lawsuits, including physical abuse of minors, sexual molestation, and rape.

It is a culture, past and present members say, enabled by cover-ups and cultlike control. For example, after Schaap’s conviction, many church members blamed his victim as a temptress. “We were taught to not question and to take the ‘man of God’s’ [Schaap’s] word over everything,” says Julie Silvestrone Busby, a former First Baptist member who now hosts a Christian radio show in Iowa. She left the church after alleging that Schaap behaved inappropriately during marriage counseling sessions in 2004 through 2009.

First Baptist Church’s longtime lawyer, David Gibbs, declined a request for comment on this story. The spokesman for the church, Eddie Wilson, did not return numerous calls requesting an interview. Schaap did not respond to an interview request made through Porter County Jail.

65 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:23:08pm

re: #63 Tigger2

Yeah because "Social Justice" is such a bad thing, wingnuts are crazy.

Remember when Glenn Beck railed against the Catholic Church for promoting that. Yeah, Fuck you, you deserve poverty and miserable is a better attitude to have than I am my brother's keeper. These folks combine the worst aspects of religious zealotry and Randian heartlessness.

66 BongCrodny  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:23:56pm

Hey, NRA Board of Directors member Ted Nugent is the very epitome of "meaningful contribution."

NOT.

67 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:24:02pm

re: #60 ProMayaLiberal

If someone is seriously talking about Man Cards, they never had one.

Bushmaster Firearms, Your Man Card is Revoked.

68 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:24:07pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

Adam Lanza wasn't violent, that we have any trace of. If we're going to commit kids for being scurry, we'll be committing like 25% of kids.

Are we going to commit kids who, say, hold down another kid and give them a haircut?

69 Bulworth  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:25:31pm

"He told Schlafly that President Obama and today’s Democratic Party have a “more insidious” and “much more radical agenda, actually, than what the old communists were talking about,” as they plan to take away “real rights” and “control the way we live.” "

This radical Democratic agenda...gosh, I wish someone would break out a copy for me to see. I keep hearing about it, but like the ever elusive Holy Grail, it's always just beyond our reach, hidden away, not yet put into action, etc. /

70 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:26:53pm

re: #68 Obdicut

Adam Lanza wasn't violent, that we have any trace of. If we're going to commit kids for being scurry, we'll be committing like 25% of kids.

Are we going to commit kids who, say, hold down another kid and give them a haircut?

It's a start.////

71 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:27:14pm

I'd hate to see how they would react if there actually was a radical agenda. Of course, they'd probably support it. Kind of like how Pamela Geller accuses POTUS and his advisers of being Communists when she's been an apologist for actual CPY- Communist Party of Yugoslavia members.

72 Tigger2  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:27:28pm

re: #69 Bulworth

"He told Schlafly that President Obama and today’s Democratic Party have a “more insidious” and “much more radical agenda, actually, than what the old communists were talking about,” as they plan to take away “real rights” and “control the way we live.” "

This radical Democratic agenda...gosh, I wish someone would break out a copy for me to see. I keep hearing about it, but like the ever elusive Holy Grail, it's always just beyond our reach, hidden away, not yet put into action, etc. /

I'm more worried of our rights being taken away by the theocracy the far right is trying to push.

73 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:27:31pm

re: #68 Obdicut

Adam Lanza wasn't violent, that we have any trace of. If we're going to commit kids for being scurry, we'll be committing like 25% of kids.

Are we going to commit kids who, say, hold down another kid and give them a haircut?

Heard one today suggest that we make mental health screenings a part of registering kids for school. Because the schools apparently don't have enough of a headache right now with the anti-vaxxers, now they need parents beating down their door to bitch that their kid is not crazy and the school can't go around saying such.

74 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:28:00pm

re: #68 Obdicut

Adam Lanza wasn't violent, that we have any trace of. If we're going to commit kids for being scurry, we'll be committing like 25% of kids.

Are we going to commit kids who, say, hold down another kid and give them a haircut?

That kind of behavior certainly bears watching. Who knows what kind of dangerous pathologies it could lead to.

75 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:28:29pm

We aren't the radicals people. It's people like this who want to take the country back to a time where violence against racial minorities and homosexuals was acceptable, a time where you could be denied a job because of your political views, etc. They not us are the radicals.

76 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:29:10pm

re: #62 RadicalModerate

Five bucks says that this is still being sold at various NRA and "Tea Party" events across the nation, and will be at the CPAC annual gathering this coming March.

NRA-Approved "gun licensing"

Does that also cover hunting people who spell the plural of "rally" as "rallys"? I've got that itchy feeling in my metaphorical trigger finger.

77 Henchman 25  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:29:43pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

It's projection, plain and simple.

78 dragonfire1981  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:30:25pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

Heard one today suggest that we make mental health screenings a part of registering kids for school. Because the schools apparently don't have enough of a headache right now with the anti-vaxxers, now they need parents beating down their door to bitch that their kid is not crazy and the school can't go around saying such.

And those same anti-vaxxer types would also go crazy over mental health screenings, thinking they are a way for Obama and his evil socialist liberal cronies to cherry pick who attends what school, etc.

79 dragonfire1981  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:31:28pm

re: #62 RadicalModerate

Five bucks says that this is still being sold at various NRA and "Tea Party" events across the nation, and will be at the CPAC annual gathering this coming March.

NRA-Approved "gun licensing"

What the heck is a "Lesbian luncheon"?

80 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:31:47pm

re: #78 dragonfire1981

And those same anti-vaxxer types would also go crazy over mental health screenings, thinking they are a way for Obama and his evil socialist liberal cronies to cherry pick who attends what school, etc.

Probably. I do think mental health screenings are a good idea but I do hope that people realize that just because someone's quiet, withdrawn, and a loner that means they're the next Adam Lanza. I got really worried when it was publicized Lanza had Asperger's because as someone with that, I do worry about there being a perception that people on the autistic spectrum are prone to this.

81 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:32:03pm

re: #79 dragonfire1981

What the heck is a "Lesbian luncheon"?

Something they saw on a porn site.

82 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:32:28pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel

Something they saw on a porn site.

The real lunches of Lesbian Hills?

83 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:32:59pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Mentally ill people-- which is such a broad definition as to be nearly useless, but by basically any taxonomy of that-- are more likely to be attacked than be an attacker.

We fear them enough already. This new wave of demonization is not good.

84 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:33:44pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Probably. I do think mental health screenings are a good idea but I do hope that people realize that just because someone's quiet, withdrawn, and a loner that means they're the next Adam Lanza. I got really worried when it was publicized Lanza had Asperger's because as someone with that, I do worry about there being a perception that people on the autistic spectrum are prone to this.

Indeed, demonizing the mentally ill as being the cause of gun violence is not a step towards solving the problem, it's only going to exacerbate it. What parents are going to want to admit their kid is a danger not only to himself, but to those around him? The denial will increase, the number of kids who go without treatment will increase, and the chances of future shootings will increase.

But hey, we armed teachers, so at least we can shoot the little shits before they start shooting...right?///

85 BongCrodny  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:34:16pm

When I was a kid playing Midget League (honest -- that's what it was called in my neck of the woods!) baseball, I couldn't catch a fly ball to save my life.

I usually got stuck out out in right field where I couldn't do much damage.

So, yeah -- I think the NRA's idea of "meaningful contributions" is a lot like the kid out in right field with the thick glasses and the glove that didn't quite fit whispering "please don't hit it here."

86 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:36:29pm

The NRA is going the mental health route? Well, good, we can finally get something done about the crazy fucks who buy multiple assault rifles and a million rounds of ammunition.

Oh.

Never mind.

87 Tigger2  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:36:32pm

We had someone get nailed for wanting to shoot up a school in Crown Point, IN a couple days ago.

Now this, today.
[Link: www.wthitv.com...]
A 17 year old kid gets arrested for threatening a High School.

88 Bulworth  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:36:43pm

I can't believe a crowd that about had a nervous breakdown over the ACA and the prospect of providing more health care is going to somehow get on board with mental health screenings or anything of the like.

89 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:37:10pm

re: #27 Dr. Matt

Both the NRA and Grover Norquist should be mocked, belittled, then ignored for the rest of eternity.

No, the NRA runs the Eddie Eagle program to help prevent gun accidents among children and also runs shooting classes and competitions.

The NRA performs useful tasks other than political advocacy. Grover Norquist, by contrast, does nothing but hold Congress hostage.

90 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:38:29pm

Note that the NRA hasn't come out with anything yet, them focusing on mental health remains speculation until the 21st.

91 dragonfire1981  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:39:06pm

Why are schools such common places for shootings?

92 makeitstop  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:40:14pm

re: #88 Bulworth

I can't believe a crowd that about had a nervous breakdown over the ACA and the prospect of providing more health care is going to somehow get on board with mental health screenings or anything of the like.

Those same people have been trying to starve public education to death for years, yet they'd ostensibly be okay with paying for security guards, bullet proof glass and armed teachers at every school in America.
/

93 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:40:54pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

Note that the NRA hasn't come out with anything yet, them focusing on mental health remains speculation until the 21st.

Agreed. Feel free to speculate, but let's all reserve final judgement till after we here what the NRA says. Even if you think they're a bunch of assholes, give them the courtesy of hearing them out.

94 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:41:41pm

re: #91 dragonfire1981

Why are schools such common places for shootings?

Because they are where a whole lot of bullying and shunning happen.

95 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:42:10pm

re: #92 makeitstop

Those same people have been trying to starve public education to death for years, yet they'd ostensibly be okay with paying for security guards, bullet proof glass and armed teachers at every school in America.
/

Not really. The most that's been suggested is just doing away with gun-free zones and allowing teachers to arm themselves. Perhaps covering the cost of a familiarization and safety course. But every wingnut I've talked with, when pressed as to whether teachers will be compensated for the new responsibilities, just shrug and say that teachers arming themselves is just an extension of their job.

96 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:42:40pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

No, the NRA runs the Eddie Eagle program to help prevent gun accidents among children and also runs shooting classes and competitions.

The NRA performs useful tasks other than political advocacy. Grover Norquist, by contrast, does nothing but hold Congress hostage.

There comes a point where one's good/worthy deeds become so overshadowed by the bad/unworthy deeds, people begin to wonder if they're beyond hope or redemption.

LaPierre (and, some say, Heston) took the NRA past that point long ago by playing to gun owners' fears and prejudices...over and over and over again.

97 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:42:50pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

Because they are where a whole lot of bullying and shunning happen.

Also because adolescents and young adults tend to have poorer life skills in coping with stress and pain, and less ability to project long-term outcomes for their actions.

98 makeitstop  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:43:51pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

Not really. The most that's been suggested is just doing away with gun-free zones and allowing teachers to arm themselves. Perhaps covering the cost of a familiarization and safety course. But every wingnut I've talked with, when pressed as to whether teachers will be compensated for the new responsibilities, just shrug and say that teachers arming themselves is just an extension of their job.

I've seen a few advocating for armed guards at every door of every school. No answer when I asked if they were okay with paying for any of it.

99 Lidane  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:44:02pm

re: #96 TedStriker

There comes a point where one's good/worthy deeds become so overshadowed by the bad/unworthy deeds, people begin to wonder if they're beyond hope of redemption.

LaPierre (and, some say, Heston) took the NRA past that point long ago by playing to gun owners' fears and prejudices.

Pretty much this. The NRA might have had some good points and some use a few decades ago, but they're now just advocates for the gun manufacturers and lobbyists. They lost any common sense or reason ages ago.

100 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:44:05pm

re: #96 TedStriker

There comes a point where one's good/worthy deeds become so overshadowed by the bad/unworthy deeds, people begin to wonder if they're beyond hope of redemption.

LaPierre (and, some say, Heston) took the NRA past that point long ago by playing to gun owners' fears and prejudices.

Right. I am sure the NRA has done some good things but they're comparable to Norquist in my book because as you say they've become in large part about playing to the prejudices and fears of gun owners. LaPierre should be ashamed of himself for the environment he's helped to create. He's a little coward.

101 gwangung  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:44:40pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

No, the NRA runs the Eddie Eagle program to help prevent gun accidents among children and also runs shooting classes and competitions.

The NRA performs useful tasks other than political advocacy. Grover Norquist, by contrast, does nothing but hold Congress hostage.

Feh. The NRA has also successfully supprressed research into the actual effects of guns on public safety and what measures might actually work to bring down deaths.

Presumably on the If It's Not Known, It's Won't Hurt Us principle.

They're worthless whores.

102 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:44:40pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

Because they are where a whole lot of bullying and shunning happen.

It's like asking why there were school shootings before the Gun-Free Zone Act, because schools tend to be one of the most emotional environments for most of our early years. Mix a bunch of hormonal teenagers with the ebb and flow of life, add in a healthy dose of societal pressure to conform, and sprinkle in a dash of mental illness. Voila: A recipe for violence.

103 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:45:21pm

re: #98 makeitstop

I've seen a few advocating for armed guards at every door of every school. No answer when I asked if they were okay with paying for any of it.

Ones I talked too brushed off armed guards, said a gunman would focus on them first, leaving the school defenseless. Something about the concept of a "crazed gunman" seems to have escaped them.

104 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:45:52pm

When LaPierre resigns from the NRA and they get someone who actually cares about working for solutions rather than being a little dick whose sole purpose on this planet seems to be about scaring gun owners about the big bad government and scary left wingers. Then I'll give the NRA some credit but until then, they're on my shit list.

105 Kragar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:46:25pm

I had to page that Megachurch article. Some truly evil and heinous acts committed in the name of Jesus.

106 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:46:52pm

re: #97 The Ghost of a Flea

Also because adolescents and young adults tend to have poorer life skills in coping with stress and pain, and less ability to project long-term outcomes for their actions.

Just so.

107 Kragar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:47:16pm

re: #98 makeitstop

I've seen a few advocating for armed guards at every door of every school. No answer when I asked if they were okay with paying for any of it.

So so long as they only make minimum wage and can't go union.
///

108 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:47:57pm

re: #101 gwangung

I'd agree, but note that whore is not a good insult. Most prostitutes don't have any real choice in the matter.

109 Joanne  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:50:35pm

Charleton Heston in Denver less than 2 weeks after the Columbine shooting.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Good morning. I am very happy to welcome you to this abbreviated annual gathering of the National Rifle Association. Thank you all for coming and thank you for supporting your organization.

I also want to applaud your courage in coming here today. Or course, you have a right to be here. As you know, we've cancelled the festivities, the fellowship we normally enjoy at our annual gatherings. This decision has perplexed a few and inconvenienced thousands. As your president, I apologize for that.

But it's fitting and proper that we should do this. Because NRA members are, above all, Americans. That means that whatever our differences, we are respectful of one another and we stand united, especially in adversity.

I have a message from the mayor, Mr. Wellington Webb, the mayor of Denver. He sent me this and said don't come here, we don't want you here. I said to the mayor, well, my reply to the mayor is, I volunteered for the war they wanted me to attend when I was 18 years old. Since then, I've run small errands for my country, from Nigeria to Vietnam. I know many of you here in this room could say the same thing. But the mayor said don't come.

I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry for the newspaper ads saying the same thing, don't come here. This is our country. As Americans, we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land.

They say we'll create a media distraction, but we were preceded here by hundreds of intrusive news crews. They say we'll create political distraction, but it's not been the NRA pressing for political advantage, calling press conferences to propose vast packages of new legislation.

Still they say don't come here. I guess what saddens me the most is how that suggests complicity. It implies that you and I and 80 million honest gun owners are somehow to blame, that we don't care. We don't care as much as they do, or that we don't deserve to be as shocked and horrified as every other soul in America mourning for the people of Littleton.

Don't come here. That's offensive. It's also absurd because we live here. There are thousands of NRA members in Denver, and tens upon tens of thousands in the state of Colorado.

NRA members labor in Denver's factories, they populate Denver's faculties, run Denver corporations, play on Colorado sports teams, work in media across the Front Range, parent and teach and coach Denver's children, attend Denver's churches and proudly represent Denver in uniform on the world's oceans and in the skies over Kosovo at this very moment.

NRA members are in city hall, Fort Carson, NORAD, the Air Force Academy and the Olympic Training Center. And yes, NRA members are surly among the police and fire and SWAT team heroes who risked their lives to rescue the students at Columbine.

Don't come here? We're already here. This community is our home. Every community in America is our home. We are a 128-year-old fixture of mainstream America. The Second Amendment ethic of lawful, responsible firearm ownership spans the broadest cross section of American life imaginable.

So, we have the same right as all other citizens to be here. To help shoulder the grief and share our sorrow and to offer our respectful, reassured voice to the national discourse that has erupted around this tragedy.

One more thing. Our words and our behavior will be scrutinized more than ever this morning. Those who are hostile towards us will lie in wait to seize on a soundbite out of context, ever searching for an embarrassing moment to ridicule us. So, let us be mindful. The eyes of the nation are upon us today.

I don't have high expectations of Wayne LaPierre. He's a lying sack of shit. And damn close to being crazy.

110 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:51:20pm

Really it must be nice to be on the board of directors of the NRA. You probably live in a safe neighborhood where violence from guns is rare if not non existent. And you have the nerve to whine at politicians and people from cities who experience sometimes more gun related homicides in a day than your area does in a year who have the nerve to say you know guns are a problem. Sorry people but I just can't respect them. They've shown little empathy to victims of gun related homicides so why should I show them my respect?

111 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:55:30pm

re: #109 Joanne

Charleton Heston in Denver less than 2 weeks after the Columbine shooting.

I don't have high expectations of Wayne LaPierre. He's a lying sack of shit. And damn close to being crazy.

As someone pointed out, there was no getting out of that, they were required by law to hold an annual general meeting. That speech sounds almost sane and reasonable by the standards of comtemprary political discourse.

112 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:55:40pm

re: #109 Joanne

Charleton Heston in Denver less than 2 weeks after the Columbine shooting.

I don't have high expectations of Wayne LaPierre. He's a lying sack of shit. And damn close to being crazy.

Gotta give Heston credit, he was a hell of a showman.

113 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:55:52pm

re: #109 Joanne

Charleton Heston in Denver less than 2 weeks after the Columbine shooting.

I don't have high expectations of Wayne LaPierre. He's a lying sack of shit. And damn close to being crazy.

LaPierre isn't crazy. He's a sincere liar who knows exactly what he is doing and that's why he repeatedly lies about President Obama's record because he knows he has to lie about the man's record because if his members don't feel threatened by Obama, he and the other high honchos don't get money and they don't get to keep politicians under their collective thumb. He really is no better than Norquist in my book. A man who lies simply for his own power.

114 dragonfire1981  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:56:56pm

re: #98 makeitstop

I've seen a few advocating for armed guards at every door of every school. No answer when I asked if they were okay with paying for any of it.

"Are these morons getting louder or just dumber?"

"Dumber sir, they want the Bear Patrol but they don't want to pay taxes for it."

115 erik_t  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:57:56pm

re: #114 dragonfire1981

"Are these morons getting louder or just dumber?"

"Dumber sir, they want the Bear Patrol but they don't want to pay taxes for it."

Let the bears pay the bear tax. I pay the homer tax!

116 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:59:06pm

take away “real rights” and “control the way we live"

- make it difficult to make racist remarks without being shamed
- take away your right to control the rights of women
- confront you with discomforting information on the impact of smoking and poor nutrition
- allow people from countries you don't like to come here as if they were as good as your own great grandparents when they came over here
- fail to stop people from recklessly speaking spanish

117 Tigger2005  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:59:24pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the GOP isn't even waiting for the marching orders:

Top House GOPer: Gun Legislation Not Happening

He, and they, haven't grasped it yet. They are now seen as pigs, and they are going to be made to squeal.

118 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:01:09pm

re: #117 Tigger2005

He, and they, haven't grasped it yet. They are now seen as pigs, and they are going to be made to squeal.

They have gone over the Ideological Cliff...they are now like Wile E. Coyote, flailing their feet in mid-air, and about to plummet to the bottom of the canyon below...

119 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:03:55pm

re: #111 Sol Berdinowitz

As someone pointed out, there was no getting out of that, they were required by law to hold an annual general meeting. That speech sounds almost sane and reasonable by the standards of comtemprary political discourse.

I was the one who pointed it out. It's also worth noting that Heston did not in fact use his stock "From my cold dead hands" line (said while holding a reproduction musket) at that meeting, though Michael Moore made it appear as though he had.

This is not written to excuse other things Heston said at other times, its written to make sure the record is clear.

120 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:04:10pm
121 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:05:56pm

re: #114 dragonfire1981

"Are these morons getting louder or just dumber?"

"Dumber sir, they want the Bear Patrol but they don't want to pay taxes for it."

So you believe Wayne LaPierre will blame illegal immigrants? Well, that could be tied into Fast and Furious...

/playing off of the very well-played Simpsons quote.

122 Joanne  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:11:01pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

By all means. Give benefit of the doubt based upon their stellar record of responsibility. /

123 Gus  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:17:40pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the GOP isn't even waiting for the marching orders:

Top House GOPer: Gun Legislation Not Happening

Yeah, I don't see an AWB coming out of the House. Most we'll see is some changes to licensing and registration. Maybe some kind of metal illness "initiative." That being said we'll likely not see an AWB since the Republican House will hold the line.

124 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:21:16pm

The NRA and the right wing are going to fight like demons against any proposed legislation that affects guns, period. "Meaningful contributions" is bullshit and everybody knows it.

125 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:21:42pm

re: #123 Gus

Yeah, I don't see an AWB coming out of the House. Most we'll see is some changes to licensing and registration. Maybe some kind of metal illness "initiative." That being said we'll likely not see an AWB since the Republican House will hold the line.

Nor do I see any conflict between GOP leadership and base on this. Guns are part of their American ideology.

126 Gus  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:22:57pm

re: #23 Kragar

‘Stand your ground’ cited in shooting of whiny Little Caesars Pizza customer

Fucking scumbag. Remind me never to step foot in Florida.

127 Gus  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:24:13pm

Florida. Home of gun toting cowards who can't confront anyone without a gun.

128 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:31:22pm

re: #68 Obdicut

Adam Lanza wasn't violent, that we have any trace of. If we're going to commit kids for being scurry, we'll be committing like 25% of kids.

Are we going to commit kids who, say, hold down another kid and give them a haircut?

Say, there's an idea.

129 EPR-radar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:40:52pm

re: #109 Joanne

Charleton Heston in Denver less than 2 weeks after the Columbine shooting.

I don't have high expectations of Wayne LaPierre. He's a lying sack of shit. And damn close to being crazy.

Nice bit of misdirection there, Mr. Heston. Go on and on about how widespread NRA membership is, and people might forget just how radical the NRA leadership and advocacy has been for many years.

I will be amazed if the NRA proposes anything useful at their press conference.

In fact, with the nuts that are in charge of it now, they would merit an "exceeds expectations" if they manage to avoid regurgitating second-hand RW stupidity like arming the adults at schools, or human waves of unarmed children facing a shooter.

130 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:54:13pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

They definitely have the "I need a gun to affirm my masculinity" demo covered.

Why do you want to take away America's penis?!1!

131 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:54:59pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

We just want to trim it back a bit...it won't hurt.

132 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:58:45pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

That's Florida, right?

133 Joanne  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 4:02:37pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

Why do you want to take away America's penis?!1!

Global climate change will nip that bud.

134 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 4:05:56pm

re: #131 Sol Berdinowitz

We just want to trim it back a bit...it won't hurt.

Immediately followed by:
Oops!

135 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 4:10:11pm

re: #131 Sol Berdinowitz

LOL.

136 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 4:10:55pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

Well, Florida is America's wang, or so I heard on The Simpsons.

137 Skip Intro  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 4:51:17pm

I can hardly wait to hear what Murder, Inc. has to say.

138 ninja cat  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:14:44pm
139 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:28:23pm

re: #127 Gus

Florida. Home of gun toting cowards who can't confront anyone without a gun.

Image: cmt-medium.gif

140 DelusionDeluge  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:25:11pm

The utter defensiveness of gun owners/right wingers in the wake of Sandy Hook is a case of doth protesting too much. Because when you start to really unravel the strings of this tragedy to see where they lead, you'll end up in the right wing fever swamp of survivalists, Beck-ites and Limbots in the throes of states rights and second amendment conspiracy fever dreams. They want to deflect, deflect, deflect... because not only are they exposed on the issue of assault weapons, but they are against paying any new taxes that could provide improved mental health care for the citizenry, or more (trained) security at schools. Indeed, they are for slashing just those things, plus the pay and benefits of educators. What we're hearing from conservatives this week is not the beginning of a constructive dialogue, but sound of still-fresh blood dripping from the hands of a significant portion of our nation.

141 Destro  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 11:48:10pm

Who died and left the NRA in charge? Oh, wait....

142 Destro  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 11:49:36pm

re: #140 DelusionDeluge

This election year has seen the right wing's operating delusions finally exposed to reality with them not able to bullshit their way out of it.


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The boat ran into trouble several dozen miles from Jindo, an island that sticks out of South Korea's southwestern corner like a little toe. Jindo is surrounded by a group of even smaller islands that are slightly farther afield from the mainland. The ferry was curving around those small islands at the time it issued a distress call. What caused the disaster? We ...

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Idle Drifter
Calgary stabbings: How knife crime in Canada can cause ‘moral panic’
What Calgary police chief Rick Hanson called the "worst mass murder" in the city's history didn't end at the barrel of a gun. Instead, the 22-year-old suspect identified on Tuesday as Matthew de Grood is accused of entering the kitchen at a house party, taking "a large knife" and using it to fatally stab four men and one woman, all of whom were students ...

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New York Electoral College: State Joins National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.
Ben Mathis-Lilley, Slate: New York Electoral College: State Joins National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Instead of pushing for a Constitutional amendment, which would have to be ratified in 38 states, advocates ask individual state legislatures to pass an agreement: that they'll pledge all their presidential electors to the winner of the national popular vote as soon as enough other states pass the law to ...

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Political Atheist
The Insane History of Rockets at Jet Propulsion Laboratories
The Rocket Boys In the late 1930s, a group of Caltech graduate students were booted off campus after blowing up (part of!) their building during a rocket test gone awry. Unwilling to give up on the joy of semi-controlled explosions, the students and a few of their friends headed into the San Gabriel Mountains. They picked a deserted gully -- Arroyo Seco -- ...

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Drug Companies Want Your Money
Two thematically-related stories on the BBC at the moment: UK drug company Glaxo 'paid bribes to Polish doctors' UK drug company GlaxoSmithKline is facing a criminal investigation in Poland for allegedly bribing doctors, BBC Panorama has discovered. Tamiflu: Millions wasted on flu drug, claims major report Hundreds of millions of pounds may have been wasted on a drug for flu that works no better ...

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 Frank says:

Great googly-moogly - you're gonna do it too!