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1 dragonfire1981  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:22:39pm

Immediately reminded me of this.

2 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:27:00pm

Heh.

3 Kragar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:27:53pm

I thought of this:

Best Buy Secret Website Scam

Best Buy Co., Inc. has admitted to maintaining two versions of its website - with different prices. One is the public website accessible on the internet by anyone; the other site (essentially a replica of the public site) could only be accessed inside of Best Buy stores. Both sites were nearly identical, except for one important difference: the in-store site displayed the in-store (typically higher) price for products.

Best Buy Website ScamThis other site -- the fake version of its public website for internal use at its stores -- is allegedly a scam to rip off consumers. Best Buy lists cheap product prices online and invites customers to its stores to purchase them. However, when the customer arrives at the store, a salesperson finds the item on the fake website and shows the consumer that the price has gone up. Then the customer can buy the item at this new, inflated price.

The problem occurs when a customer is told that they are being shown the public Web site when in reality they are being shown an intrastore site. This misrepresentation causes them to pay a higher price because they are not given the price-matched discount.

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:35:27pm

"I'm afraid you've timed out."

[Silence...]

5 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:37:14pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

"I'm afraid you've timed out."

[Silence...]

I'm rage quitting this store!

6 Kragar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:39:27pm

The one that got me me was "You're looking at olives, we think you would like this."

7 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:46:07pm

By the way, the big push to divert the discussion of guns into a discussion about mental illness is really beginning in earnest tonight. And many liberals arguing for gun control are falling for the diversion, because yes, mental health care is terrible in America and it does need improvement - but they're not seeing how the right (and watch, this will be a big NRA talking point) is using this issue to take the debate in a vague, pointless direction that will end up without touching anyone's guns.

8 stabby  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:48:46pm
9 Bubblehead II  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:49:56pm

Evening Lizards.

10 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:50:14pm

At Breitbart "News:" PSYCHIATRIST: LANZA WAS 'PSEUDOCOMMANDO' WITH 'WOUNDED NARCISSISM'

This psychiatrist is not Adam Lanza's psychiatrist, it's another CNN talking head who never met anyone involved in the case, but apparently still thinks it's ethical to diagnose them on air.

I've been watching this "mental illness" talking point gather strength on the right since Friday, and now it looks like the word has been put out to hammer it hard.

11 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:51:09pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

By the way, the big push to divert the discussion of guns into a discussion about mental illness is really beginning in earnest tonight. And many liberals arguing for gun control are falling for the diversion, because yes, mental health care is terrible in America and it does need improvement - but they're not seeing how the right (and watch, this will be a big NRA talking point) is using this issue to take the debate in a vague, pointless direction that will end up without touching anyone's guns.

They want to make it about mental illness? Fine: All gun owners in America will submit to psychiatric evaluation. If you are so much as suspected of being mentally ill, your license will be pulled and your guns confiscated. All those who refuse will be charged with illegal possession of a firearm, one count per gun owned.

12 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:52:06pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

They want to make it about mental illness? Fine: All gun owners in America will submit to psychiatric evaluation. If you are so much as suspected of being mentally ill, your license will be pulled and your guns confiscated. All those who refuse will be charged will illegal possession of a firearm, one count per gun owned.

DEATH PANELS!

the disconnect is hilarious/scary.

13 EPR-radar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:53:19pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

By the way, the big push to divert the discussion of guns into a discussion about mental illness is really beginning in earnest tonight. And many liberals arguing for gun control are falling for the diversion, because yes, mental health care is terrible in America and it does need improvement - but they're not seeing how the right (and watch, this will be a big NRA talking point) is using this issue to take the debate in a vague, pointless direction that will end up without touching anyone's guns.

I'd like to recommend the recent page by William Barnett-Lewis on this topic, since it includes a link to an article that gives a good overview of the history of the NRA, and points out the role that RW gun-nuttery plays in the larger goals of the radical right.

14 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:55:20pm

Bwaha! I think the last one is my favorite.

"Come back soon!"
"...I won't."

15 dragonath  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:55:40pm

TPM has this story on it's front page:

Tennessee Considers Training And Arming Schoolteachers To Protect Against Shootings

This kind of correlates with that whole creationism/moar guns graph that was floating around a couple of days ago. I can't think of another state, besides Colorado, that has more fundamentalists.

16 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:57:22pm

re: #15 dragonath

Hey!

Colorado is pretty nice and blue now.

17 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:57:41pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

At Breitbart "News:" PSYCHIATRIST: LANZA WAS 'PSEUDOCOMMANDO' WITH 'WOUNDED NARCISSISM'

This psychiatrist is not Adam Lanza's psychiatrist, it's another CNN talking head who never met anyone involved in the case, but apparently still thinks it's ethical to diagnose them on air.

I've been watching this "mental illness" talking point gather strength on the right since Friday, and now it looks like the word has been put out to hammer it hard.

It's a winner, too, especially given what's coming out about Lanza. It's a nice lurid angle that appeals very much to how news is covered in America. It also has the benefit of being closely related to the cause of (and possibly the main cause of) this horrific event.

18 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:58:43pm
19 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:58:45pm

re: #16 ProMayaLiberal

Hey!

Colorado is pretty nice and blue now.

It's actually still quite purple, PLL.

20 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:01:42pm

From that NYT piece:

Perhaps more significant, we are not very good at predicting who is likely to be dangerous in the future. According to Dr. Michael Stone, professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia and an expert on mass murderers, “Most of these killers are young men who are not floridly psychotic. They tend to be paranoid loners who hold a grudge and are full of rage.”

Even though we know from large-scale epidemiologic studies like the E.C.A. study that a young psychotic male who is intoxicated with alcohol and has a history of involuntary commitment is at a high risk of violence, most individuals who fit this profile are harmless.

Jeffery Swanson, a professor of psychiatry at Duke University and a leading expert in the epidemiology of violence, said in an e-mail, “Can we reliably predict violence? ‘No’ is the short answer. Psychiatrists, using clinical judgment, are not much better than chance at predicting which individual patients will do something violent and which will not.”

It would be even harder to predict a mass shooting, Dr. Swanson said, “You can profile the perpetrators after the fact and you’ll get a description of troubled young men, which also matches the description of thousands of other troubled young men who would never do something like this.”

Even if clinicians could predict violence perfectly, keeping guns from people with mental illness is easier said than done. Nearly five years after Congress enacted the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, only about half of the states have submitted more than a tiny proportion of their mental health records.

How effective are laws that prohibit people with mental illness from obtaining guns? According to Dr. Swanson’s recent research, these measures may prevent some violent crime. But, he added, “there are a lot of people who are undeterred by these laws.”

This is a phony, phony, phony issue when it comes to gun crime in America.

All the focus on the small number of people with mental illness who are violent serves to make us feel safer by displacing and limiting the threat of violence to a small, well-defined group. But the sad and frightening truth is that the vast majority of homicides are carried out by outwardly normal people in the grip of all too ordinary human aggression to whom we provide nearly unfettered access to deadly force.

Richard Friedman M.D. is saying pretty much the exact same thing I wrote a couple of days ago:

21 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:04:20pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

As a diversion it might work in the media. In the Senate, it will fail because it's not at all mutually exclusive with gun control efforts. On the far right, it makes no difference. They were not gong to be reasonable in any case. In Congress it will fall to party lines, bought and paid for.

But let's not forget much gun regulation happens at state level. High capacity magazines stayed illegal here. The M-4 look alike guns require a tool to remove the magazine. Add some skill and safety tests to acquire high power guns and you begin to see where some good changes can happen that may or may not relate to a particular tragedy.

California's legislature as one big example is certain to be unimpressed and unmoved by any mental health aspect of this debate.

Worried the Congress is owned by the NRA? Go to the state level and get it done. States have the right to do so.

22 allegro  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:05:28pm

And as always it comes down to if he, whether sane or in-, didn't have the guns/ammo, people would still be alive.

23 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:05:34pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Not anymore. The Marijuana proposition passing is a testament to that.

Without Colorado Springs, the state is 59-41.

More Liberal than than Connecticut.

Colorado Springs is no longer able to keep it a swing state. Those days are over.

24 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:06:32pm

[Link: i.chzbgr.com...]

Later, lizards.

25 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:07:02pm

re: #21 Political Atheist

As a diversion it might work in the media. In the Senate, it will fail because it's not at all mutually exclusive with gun control efforts. On the far right, it makes no difference. They were not gong to be reasonable in any case. In Congress it will fall to party lines, bought and paid for.

But let's not forget much gun regulation happens at state level. High capacity magazines stayed illegal here. The M-4 look alike guns require a tool to remove the magazine. Add some skill and safety tests to acquire high power guns and you begin to see where some good changes can happen that may or may not relate to a particular tragedy.

California's legislature as one big example is certain to be unimpressed and unmoved by any mental health aspect of this debate.

Worried the Congress is owned by the NRA? Go to the state level and get it done. States have the right to do so.

Downside is that guns move across state lines quite easily.

26 EPR-radar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:07:03pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

It's a winner, too, especially given what's coming out about Lanza. It's a nice lurid angle that appeals very much to how news is covered in America. It also has the benefit of being closely related to the cause of (and possibly the main cause of) this horrific event.

There are always going to be people who go off the deep end somehow or another. The details, bluntly, don't matter. All that one can do on that front by way of policy is to try to catch as much as possible in advance of any horrible acts. This takes resources, which are in short supply. Of course, this has nothing to do with gun control, which is why it is so useful for the right.

Gun control relates to what happens after someone goes off the deep end. The nature and lethality of the resulting events depends greatly on the number of guns in the country and on the culture surrounding guns and violence. The US appears to be uniquely toxic on both fronts.

Why does American exceptionalism have to include the most numerous and lethal rampages in the developed world? Why is doing anything about either the guns or the gun culture politically unthinkable?

27 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:09:48pm

re: #26 EPR-radar

There are always going to be people who go off the deep end somehow or another. The details, bluntly, don't matter. All that one can do on that front by way of policy is to try to catch as much as possible in advance of any horrible acts. This takes resources, which are in short supply. Of course, this has nothing to do with gun control, which is why it is so useful for the right.

Gun control relates to what happens after someone goes off the deep end. The nature and lethality of the resulting events depends greatly on the number of guns in the country and on the culture surrounding guns and violence. The US appears to be uniquely toxic on both fronts.

Why does American exceptionalism have to include the most numerous and lethal rampages in the developed world? Why is doing anything about either the guns or the gun culture politically unthinkable?

Because pedaling fear, guns, and ignorance has been both financially and politically rewarding.

28 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:10:31pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

From that NYT piece:

This is a phony, phony, phony issue when it comes to gun crime in America.

Richard Friedman M.D. is saying pretty much the exact same thing I wrote a couple of days ago:

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It's not just the focus on mental illness that's causing me to grind my teeth, it's trying to narrow the data set by focusing strictly on mass shootings. It would be like making the argument back in the day that only postal employees are at risk of mass shootings, hence the phrase "going postal." Meanwhile, the vast majority of gun violence is perpetrated by people who, from all accounts, are perfectly sane.

29 dragonath  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:11:57pm

re: #23 ProMayaLiberal

Not anymore. The Marijuana proposition passing is a testament to that.

Without Colorado Springs, the state is 59-41.

More Liberal than than Connecticut.

Colorado Springs is no longer able to keep it a swing state. Those days are over.

It's a little more gray than that. It isn't all Reefer Madness on the right, and the Democratic governor actually campaigned against the referendum.

Tennessee is a different case. I think I read something somewhere about how it's become a mecca of sorts for the religious right. Lots of people moving there.

30 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:13:54pm

re: #15 dragonath

TPM has this story on it's front page:

Tennessee Considers Training And Arming Schoolteachers To Protect Against Shootings

This kind of correlates with that whole creationism/moar guns graph that was floating around a couple of days ago. I can't think of another state, besides Colorado, that has more fundamentalists.

And in response, read this from a REAL TEACHER, not a gun nut who's trying so hard right now to cover his ass......


31 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:13:55pm

Just random thoughts:

Obama said something about there being "bigger fish to fry" than pot laws the other day... I say kill two birds with one stone: legalize drugs, tax them, and use the revenues to re-fund institutionalized mental health care.

I don't know what can be done about removing "bad" guns from circulation without triggering the war that so many on the right itch for, except the mother of all national buy-backs. I was thinking about production caps for manufacturers, too - we've got millions, we don't need more - but that would probably be impossible to enforce due to commerce laws.

We need to grow up, period... Just fucking grow up. Stop living in fantasy worlds, pull our heads out of our asses, and give our heads a good check. Unfortunately I just don't see that happening.

32 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:14:28pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

[Link: i.chzbgr.com...]

Later, lizards.

WW, 504 error. I'm panicking.

33 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:14:35pm

re: #25 Feline Fearless Leader

Downside is that guns move across state lines quite easily.

Get caught in California with an illegal gun, and your Arizona ID will not get you out of jail. In the instance of not getting caught, well each and every law depends on enforcement.

Getting your state to pass a good law is better than no one to pass it.

34 makeitstop  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:15:10pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

By the way, the big push to divert the discussion of guns into a discussion about mental illness is really beginning in earnest tonight. And many liberals arguing for gun control are falling for the diversion, because yes, mental health care is terrible in America and it does need improvement - but they're not seeing how the right (and watch, this will be a big NRA talking point) is using this issue to take the debate in a vague, pointless direction that will end up without touching anyone's guns.

Another new one I'm seeing on Facebook - many, many people have started using the strawman of the government 'confiscating 300 million guns,' mostly under the guise of 'concern' about how 'unweildly' such an undertaking would be. I've seen it pop up in numerous discussions today, seemingly out of nowhere.

Somebody's driving these talking points, and people are picking them up almost simultaneously. Coincidence?

35 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:16:28pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

What do you think of the pilots license model for a structure to think about?

36 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:17:49pm

re: #31 Pawn of the Oppressor

We need to grow up, period... Just fucking grow up. Stop living in fantasy worlds, pull our heads out of our asses, and give our heads a good check. Unfortunately I just don't see that happening.

If enough people are willing to stop playing along with the make-believe world that American gun owners live in, perhaps, slowly but surely, they will stop being treated as the magic totems far, far too many in this country believe them to be.

37 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:18:52pm

re: #36 Renaissance_Man

If enough people are willing to stop playing along with the make-believe world that American gun owners live in, perhaps, slowly but surely, they will stop being treated as the magic totems far, far too many in this country believe them to be.

Does this mean I have to give up the video games?

38 Alexzander  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:19:01pm

"You're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you?" --Piers Morgan just a minute ago while interviewing Larry Pratt, Gun Owners of America president.

Not exactly journalistic professionalism; super heated discussion.

39 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:19:06pm

re: #35 Political Atheist

What do you think of the pilots license model for a structure to think about?

I really think an expansion of the NFA is a far better way to approach it. Shiplord Kirel had some good thoughts on that the other night.

40 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:20:08pm

re: #38 Alexzander

"You're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you?" --Piers Morgan just a minute ago while interviewing Larry Pratt, Gun Owners of America president.

Not exactly journalistic professionalism; super heated discussion.

Yeah, but in Pratt's case its the truth.

41 EPR-radar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:20:14pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

Does this mean I have to give up the video games?

Using video games as a form of escapism is less dangerous than using an arsenal of real, lethal weapons for that purpose.

42 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:20:43pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

Does this mean I have to give up the video games?

When owning video games makes you and everyone around you less safe, and directly equips people to kill each other, then yes. And I'll hand them over in a heartbeat myself.

43 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:20:50pm

re: #38 Alexzander

"You're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you?" --Piers Morgan just a minute ago while interviewing Larry Pratt, Gun Owners of America president.

Not exactly journalistic professionalism; super heated discussion.

Really think that, at this point, the patience of the American public is starting to wear thin. There's only so many times you can watch little caskets being shown on TV while paid suits and useful idiots for the gun cultists tell us that everybody and everything other than guns is to blame.

44 EPR-radar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:21:41pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but in Pratt's case its the truth.

What did Pratt say to bring this on? As far as I know, the GOA's main purpose is to make the NRA look sane, so Pratt should have entertainment value.

45 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:22:04pm

re: #42 Renaissance_Man

When owning video games makes you and everyone around you less safe, and directly equips people to kill each other, then yes. And I'll hand them over in a heartbeat myself.

Oh, cool, because I'm really close to finishing the Old World Blues DLC and I put Far Cry 3 on my Christmas wish list.

46 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:23:46pm

If Mental illness is the problem, shouldn't we have background checks on all gun sales?

47 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:24:34pm

re: #44 EPR-radar

What did Pratt say to bring this on? As far as I know, the GOA's main purpose is to make the NRA look sane, so Pratt should have entertainment value.

I dunno. I just know that it was something stupid, because its Pratt. He goes on these shows knowing he's going to be verbally spanked but he doesn't care as long as he gets his 16th minute.

48 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:25:11pm

re: #46 Iwouldprefernotto

If Mental illness is the problem, shouldn't we have background checks on all gun sales?

AFAIK, the only way you fail a background check in most states for mental illness is if you're marked as diagnosed and undergoing treatment. If you're neither, it won't show up in a background check.

49 bratwurst  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:25:17pm

re: #38 Alexzander

Not exactly journalistic professionalism

You...uh...do realize we are talking about Piers Morgan here, right? Count yourself fortunate you didn't have to hear that beady-eyed fatuous stuffed shirt ask Pratt: "How many times have you been properly in love?"

50 Gus  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:25:59pm

...

“Unspeakable evil slammed America in the beautiful little town of Newtown, Connecticut, just days ago,” Palin wrote. “No words can express the collective shock and sorrow shared by Americans who know the murder of innocent children is the most horrendous crime imaginable. The Connecticut state motto, ‘Qui transtulit sustinet,’ promises that only God can sustain us.”

Qui transtulit sustinet: He who transplanted sustains

51 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:26:23pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but in Pratt's case its the truth.

It is pretty stupid to go on TV and defend guns less than a week after Newtown.

52 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:26:46pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

AFAIK, the only way you fail a background check in most states for mental illness is if you're marked as diagnosed and undergoing treatment. If you're neither, it won't show up in a background check.

Might be worth doing right. Check for anger management court orders.

53 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:27:24pm

re: #50 Gus

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...

Qui transtulit sustinet: He who transplanted sustains

Where's my gong? Can somebody get me my friggin' gong?!

/

54 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:27:40pm

re: #52 Political Atheist

Might be worth doing right. Check for anger management court orders.

That's what I'm talking about, but the right wingers will scream.

55 Alexzander  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:27:40pm

re: #49 bratwurst

You...uh...do realize we are talking about Piers Morgan here, right? Count yourself fortunate you didn't have to hear that beady-eyed fatuous stuffed shirt ask Pratt: "How many times have you been properly in love?"

Yeah Morgan is not my cup of tea.

I'm only watching because a family friend is going to be interviewed later on in the show.

56 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:29:44pm

re: #54 Iwouldprefernotto

So what? Let them scream.

57 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:30:14pm

re: #52 Political Atheist

Might be worth doing right. Check for anger management court orders.

As noted in the NYT article Charles linked to, the states are glacially slow in added mental health records to the NICBCS database. I'm reminded of the case just recently of the public shooting of the guy who shot his wife after the court put a restraining order on him and ordered him to surrender all his guns. He went out and got another one the next day, because the court order wasn't in the system.

58 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:30:35pm

re: #46 Iwouldprefernotto

If Mental illness is the problem, shouldn't we have background checks on all gun sales?

We already do for dealer sales, which represent the vast majority of gun sales. The problem seems to be that most recording of mental health issues is done at the state level and states have had a hard time making the data available to the checking system. Part of the issue is also compliance with the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act's (HIPAA) disclosure rules. Many states are trying to figure out how to provide relevant data while complying with HIPAA. One thing that way need to be done is to examine where the laws intended to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill may conflict with HIPAA and then revise things to provide the needed disclosures.

59 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:31:05pm

re: #34 makeitstop

Another new one I'm seeing on Facebook - many, many people have started using the strawman of the government 'confiscating 300 million guns,' mostly under the guise of 'concern' about how 'unweildly' such an undertaking would be. I've seen it pop up in numerous discussions today, seemingly out of nowhere.

Somebody's driving these talking points, and people are picking them up almost simultaneously. Coincidence?

We just deport all the illegal immigrants, and make them all take a gun with them. Problem solved.
//// :p

60 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:32:31pm

re: #15 dragonath

TPM has this story on it's front page:

Tennessee Considers Training And Arming Schoolteachers To Protect Against Shootings

This kind of correlates with that whole creationism/moar guns graph that was floating around a couple of days ago. I can't think of another state, besides Colorado, that has more fundamentalists.

And this kind of inane, dangerous bullshit is gonna pass our version of Capitol Hill, because the GOP has a supermajority in both the TN Senate and the General Assembly; the Democrats can only put up token resistance on anything the GOP wants to pass.

Thank you very fucking much, my fellow Tennesseans who voted GOP.

61 dragonath  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:33:20pm

re: #50 Gus

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Qui transtulit sustinet: He who transplanted sustains

Non cogito, ergo sum?

62 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:33:45pm

re: #27 Feline Fearless Leader

Because pedaling fear, guns, and ignorance has been both financially and politically rewarding.

Just ask Wayne LaPierre and Bushmaster management.

63 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:35:20pm

re: #50 Gus

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Qui transtulit sustinet: He who transplanted sustains

Sarah Palin: World-class twit (and attention whore).

64 stabby  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:38:20pm

I noticed one wingnut responded to evidence that the US has much higher rates of violence than countries with better gun control by blaming "minorities", single mothers (read "sluts") and drugs from Mexico.

That's how they blot out the obvious in their minds.

I think I saw a statistic here the other day on firearm related injuries and deaths or something like tha that said that we have something like 2000 times as many as England. I looked up the population, and the population ratio is slightly less than 6. ... though when I calculate it below the ratio is about 1/3 of that, maybe he was using more recent stats.

let me look that up now..
Wikipedia:
In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 66.9% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[4] There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[5] The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[6] with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths.

Interesting. Deliberate outweighs accidental by 2 to 1.
I wish the stats were up to date.

Gun deaths from firearms UK (which includes more than England):
210 in the year 2006 (UK population in 2006 was 60.6 million)
Injuries reported to hospitals in England in 2002: 129 (English population in 2002 was 48 million

us population in 2000 was 281 million
2007 301 million

so US firearms injury rate 2.7 per 10000
uk firearms injury rate 2.4 per 1,000,000
ratio 100

us firearms death rate 1 per 10,000
uk firearms death rate 3.5 per 1,000,000
ratio 30

65 dragonath  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:38:27pm

re: #60 TedStriker

Seriously. What's going to happen when a shooter shows up with a smoke grenade? Guns are going to be totally useless if that ever happens.

I know they were pushing a bill to allow concealed weapons at places of employment, maybe they can work on allowing guns on planes, because you know, freedom.

66 EPR-radar  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:40:51pm

re: #64 stabby

The US numbers for guns, gun murders, gun suicides, and gun accidents are just totally off the charts compared to anywhere else in the developed world.

67 Bubblehead II  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 7:17:25pm

Night Lizards. Lurk mode is now engaged.

68 Flavia  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 6:11:53pm

re: #59 Feline Fearless Leader

We just deport all the illegal immigrants, and make them all take a gun with them. Problem solved.
//// :p

Or, maybe we could make all the guns self-deport, and take an illegal immigrant with them...?


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team_fukit
Eight Member Ebola Health Team Killed by Angry Mob in Guinea
Will 3000 troops be enough to send to West Africa? France is also building a military hospital in Guinea. Ebola outbreak: Guinea health team killedBBC Eight members of a team trying to raise awareness about Ebola have been killed by ...

28 minutes ago
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Lumberhead
The Great ‘Out-0f-Network’ Scam Is Eating Patients Alive. And It’s Supposed To.
And there you have it. It's a great racket that allows doctors to extort loads of money from those in the most pain and with the least ability to fight back. None of them want the gravy train to ...

1 hour, 58 minutes ago
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iceweasel
Psychology Today: Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists
In this month's issue of Personality and Individual Differences, a study was published that confirms what we all suspected: internet trolls are horrible people. Let's start by getting our definitions straight. An internet troll is someone who comes into ...

2 hours, 7 minutes ago
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BadExampleMan
Now HERE’S How You Quit Your Job
You'll want to watch this again and again. The aghast expression on the anchor's face is the perfect capper.

2 hours, 7 minutes ago
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Randall Gross
Why This Tiny Italian Restaurant Gives a Discount for Bad Yelp Reviews
In recent years, Yelp has been publicly accused of extortion--asking for money from businesses that are automatically listed on the site in exchange for preferred placement on the site. There are also accusations of abruptly vanishing positive reviews and ...

2 hours, 29 minutes ago
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Souliren
Cape Breton fiddler Andrea Beaton
Celtic Colours Festival 2010 Everyone seems to be having fun here.

1 day, 19 hours ago
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Bubblehead II
LOHAN Coming to the States
Cool. Due to Spain being a jerk, the Registers bringing their LOHAN project to the States. More specifically, New Mexico's Spaceport America Don't let the cheesy writing style and Brit humor of the Registers reporters put you off. There is ...

1 day, 21 hours ago
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FemNaziBitch
‘I Was Really Stressed Out’: Anxiety Rules the Secret Life of Teens - Parents - TODAY.com
When hormones, grades and peer pressure rule your life, turmoil often follows. Yet many families don't realize how crippling the stress can be for their teenagers. TODAY's series on the secret lives of teens began Wednesday with NBC special ...

2 days, 23 hours ago
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theliel
AEI Decides to Weigh in on #GamersGate
So Polygon showcases the AEI's anti-femminist response to #gamergate talking about how games are for dudes and dudes need that space to continue being dudes and bitches should get back in that kitchen where they belong. Link is to Polygon ...

4 days, 22 hours ago
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CriticalDragon1177
Alternet - Nicholas Wade’s Flawed Book Rewrites the History of Scientific Racism
Jon Phillips takes on Nicholas Wade's claims, and proves once again that so called "scientific" racism is little more than a pseudoscience. This was originally posted in September 2014 edition of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report, ( ...

5 days, 16 hours ago
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 Frank says:

There is no such thing as a dirty word. Nor is there a word so powerful, that it's going to send the listener to a lake of fire upon hearing it.