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Right Wing Pro-Gun Excuse of the Day: Blame the 1968 Democratic Convention

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Daniel Henninger weighs in with yet another ridiculous right wing excuse for gun violence; in this article for Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal, Henninger argues that to really understand why the Newtown school shooting happened, we have to go back, back through years, all the way to 1968 (cue harp glissandos), when everything started to go wrong thanks to the hippies and the anti-wars and the college professors and the intellectuals and the mmm glavin!

We think it is possible to identify the date when the U.S., or more precisely when many people within it, began to tip off the emotional tracks. A lot of people won’t like this date, because it makes their political culture culpable for what has happened. The date is August 1968, when the Democratic National Convention found itself sharing Chicago with the street fighters of the anti-Vietnam War movement.

The real blame here does not lie with the mobs who fought bloody battles with the hysterical Chicago police. The larger responsibility falls on the intellectuals—university professors, politicians and journalistic commentators—who said then that the acts committed by the protesters were justified or explainable. That was the beginning. America had a new culture for political action and for personal living.

The virtue known as self-restraint was devalued. Certain rules that for a long time had governed behavior also became devalued. Whatever else was going on here, we were lowering the barriers of acceptable political and personal conduct.

Clearly, 1968 was a very traumatic year for Mr. Henninger; he still hasn’t recovered.

(h/t: Wesley.)

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168 comments

1 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:43:32am

I totally remember seeing the Chicago convention on TV! It was on "Beat the Press" and "Mace the Nation"

2 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:45:48am

Seriously? Anything to deny the gun problem. Blame something that today's average 20 year old has little to no knowledge of. Yeah, that's the ticket, Mr. Henninger. Blame the hippies. Real original pal.

3 Mattand  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:46:45am

Slightly OT:

Boehner: Obama Can’t Stand Up To His Own Party

Just...wow. That is the worst case of projection I've seen in my life.

4 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:49:24am
The larger responsibility falls on the intellectuals

Someone has been taking lessons from Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao.

5 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:50:01am

re: #3 Mattand

Slightly OT:

Boehner: Obama Can’t Stand Up To His Own Party

Just...wow. That is the worst case of projection I've seen in my life.

Yeah the Tea Party's chew toy says what.

6 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:50:34am

re: #4 Kragar

Someone has been taking lessons from Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao.

Yeah no kidding. When in doubt, blame the intellectuals. So frigging typical.

7 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:51:06am

Shmuley poked Bryan right in the eye.

8 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:51:26am

re: #3 Mattand

Just...wow. That is the worst case of projection I've seen in my life.

This projector has a weird orange glow.

9 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:51:47am

re: #7 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Shmuley poked Bryan right in the eye.

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WAY TO GO SHMULEY!

10 Coracle  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:52:28am

re: #7 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Shmuley poked Bryan right in the eye.

Well, it's only the truth. Boteach demonized Fischer and his demon god.

11 Ming  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:53:53am

Trying to make sense of this bizarre right-wing NOISE, I think some of it is motivated by the clash between the small-government Republicans (like I used to be) and the big-government "let's have a Christian theocracy" Republicans.

This conflict is often drowned out by having a common enemy, which for now is President Obama. But I suppose even a hated common enemy sometimes isn't enough to hide the great differences between the small- and big-government Republicans. This is where NOISE comes in. As silly as it is, noise can drown out the Republican identity crisis for one more day.

Simple silliness can drown things out as well. But at some point, Republicans will have to deal with who is in their big tent: small-government libertarians, big-government theocrats, and a sad crew of losers who have problems with women and/or non-whites and/or non-Christians and/or gays.

12 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:56:34am

re: #7 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Shmuley poked Bryan right in the eye.

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What's the matter asshole? Did the Rabbi touch a raw nerve?

13 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:56:41am

Oakland lays off 25% of its police force, still pays Raiders $17 million

Oakland, California, the fifth-most crime ridden city in America, faced a $32 million budget deficit last year. It closed the gap by dismissing a fourth of its police force, more than 200 officers.

Untouched was the $17.3 million that the city pays to stage 10 games a season for the National Football League’s Oakland Raiders and to host Major League Baseball’s Athletics in the O.co Coliseum. The funds cover debt financing and operations and are supplemented by $13.3 million from surrounding Alameda County, based on data compiled by Bloomberg from public records.

“If someone calls 911, you’re looking at an indeterminate amount of time before an officer can respond,” says Barry Donelan, 40, a sergeant who is president of the Oakland police union. “Citizens are suffering.” Reversing a renewed rise in violent crime is out of the question, he says.

14 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:58:05am

re: #7 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Shmuley poked Bryan right in the eye.

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Fuckers, don't they know Bryan is the only person allowed to demonize people.

15 SmithCommaJohn  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:59:52am

Don't you mean "Democrat National Convention"?

16 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:59:55am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

What's the matter asshole? Did the Rabbi touch a raw nerve?

Lucky it wasn't a priest, never know WHAT they are gonna touch.

17 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:00:25pm

re: #7 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Shmuley poked Bryan right in the eye.

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The whole "Judeo-Christian" thing seems to be going right out the window for some people lately. Why, if I didn't know any better I might get the idea it was merely a term of convenience!

18 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:00:38pm

re: #16 Eventual Carrion

Lucky it wasn't a priest, never know WHAT they are gonna touch.

Ha!

19 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:01:26pm

Just wanted to use this thread to say thanks to everyone who condemned the Maggie Gallagher article that did a lot of broadbrushing of people with autism and on the autistic spectrum. Really means a lot to me being on the spectrum myself.

20 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:04:20pm

Dear Right Wing Moron,

Some of us were born after 1968. We don't remember any of those events aside from as test questions in American History class in school. Not everything in this country has to do with Vietnam and the hippies.

Please move your cultural references up a few decades. Thanks.

No love,
Me

21 Cinnabar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:05:04pm

I watched the Democratic National Convention on the teevee. The "riot" that was going on was started and mostly carried out by the police. I guess the Democrats are at fault because they protested the "open season on demonstrators" that had been declared by the mayor of Chicago.

"So thank your lucky stars you've got protection,
Walk the line and never count the cost...."

22 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:05:44pm

re: #7 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Shmuley poked Bryan right in the eye.

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Memo to Mr. Fischer:

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. —Matthew 7:12

And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. —Luke 6:31

23 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:05:48pm

A thought experiment for those among us who still don't believe there's a problem in a country with 300 million guns -- what if it really IS the guns that are the problem?

I know, if you've been conditioned to respond to that question with total rejection it might be difficult to even consider it.

But what if it really IS the guns? Then what?

24 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:06:50pm

1968? The DNC in 1968? That didn't rate in yesterday's attempt to catalog all the excuses for Newtown that the right has proffered other than the blindingly obvious abundance and availability of firearms. Damn. We should have seen that one coming.

We'd just have to ignore that there's so many mass murders that occurred before 1968 though. Guess without the Internet we didn't have this much hand wringing in public as we do now.

Come to think of it, shouldn't the Internet be the main reason why we have these mass murders?

Oddly (or perhaps not so odd considering), all but two of the school massacres and a majority of the massacres perpetrated by rampage killers around the world ended with the shooters committing suicide - not in shootouts with police or other bystanders.

25 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:07:51pm
The virtue known as self-restraint was devalued. Certain rules that for a long time had governed behavior also became devalued. Whatever else was going on here, we were lowering the barriers of acceptable political and personal conduct.

What's that like carpet bombing, use of napalm against a civilian population, water boarding of prisoners, collecting ears or foreskins of dead enemy combatants and Agent Orange?

This is hilarious. It's like Archie Bunker lives.

26 Cinnabar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:08:12pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

A thought experiment for those among us who still don't believe there's a problem in a country with 300 million guns -- what if it really IS the guns that are the problem?

I know, if you've been conditioned to respond to that question with total rejection it might be difficult to even consider it.

But what if it really IS the guns? Then what?

If the problem is the guns, it can only by solved by more guns!

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27 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:08:34pm

re: #25 Gus

What's that like carpet bombing, use of napalm against a civilian population, water boarding of prisoners, collecting ears or foreskins of dead enemy combatants and Agent Orange?

This is hilarious. It's like Archie Bunker lives.

War is wonderful but people protesting said war is terrible.

28 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:08:54pm

re: #24 lawhawk

1968? The DNC in 1968? That didn't rate in yesterday's attempt to catalog all the excuses for Newtown that the right has proffered other than the blindingly obvious abundance and availability of firearms. Damn. We should have seen that one coming.

We'd just have to ignore that there's so many mass murders that occurred before 1968 though. Guess without the Internet we didn't have this much hand wringing in public as we do now.

Come to think of it, shouldn't the Internet be the main reason why we have these mass murders?

Oddly (or perhaps not so odd considering), all but two of the school massacres and a majority of the massacres perpetrated by rampage killers around the world ended with the shooters committing suicide - not in shootouts with police or other bystanders.

How could murders have occurred in or before 1968? There weren't any video games around.

29 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:09:27pm

Anyone want to guess whether the NRA will propose meaningful and constructive solutions in the wake of #Newtown?

30 Cinnabar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:10:19pm

re: #28 Kragar

How could murders have occurred in or before 1968? There weren't any video games around.

We played a street game (it didn't have a name, unless it was "monster") that was all about killing the zombie. Kind of a no-video FPS.

31 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:12:12pm

re: #25 Gus

This is hilarious. It's like Archie Bunker lives.

That's because the modern GOP is like Archie Bunker, but without the self-awareness that allowed Archie to mellow and change over time.

32 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:12:16pm

re: #28 Kragar

How could murders have occurred in or before 1968? There weren't any video games around.

Damn Al Capone. Why if he hadn't been playing Grand Theft Auto, the Saint Valentines Day Massacre becomes the St. Valentines Day: Bugs and Al are BFF's celebration.

33 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:13:05pm

re: #7 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Shmuley poked Bryan right in the eye.

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CNN allows Rabbi to demonize both me and God: youtu.be/jZxIBCvHWuI via @YouTube

Said by Fischer in order of importance, no doubt.

34 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:13:35pm

re: #29 lawhawk

Related:

35 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:13:47pm

re: #29 lawhawk

Anyone want to guess whether the NRA will propose meaningful and constructive solutions in the wake of #Newtown?

I've run into a few people who are considering joining the NRA because they believe that Feinstein, et al, really will attempt a door to door confiscation of all guns. One down right hates the NRA but feels he has no voice in the discussion and that without them he'll be killed by the ATF for having a shotgun. Seriously.

36 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:13:57pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Yea, I saw that derpalicious page. Way to twist Temple Grandin's own words. I don't think anyone who calls homosexuality a "dysfunction" ought to be taken seriously.

37 allegro  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:14:31pm

re: #21 Cinnabar

I watched the Democratic National Convention on the teevee. The "riot" that was going on was started and mostly carried out by the police. I guess the Democrats are at fault because they protested the "open season on demonstrators" that had been declared by the mayor of Chicago.

"So thank your lucky stars you've got protection,
Walk the line and never count the cost...."

I watched the riots in person from a tree in Lincoln Park. I was there with some friends to strum a guitar, sing a bit of Kumbaya and toke a few when all hell broke loose. We had a wall of battle-dressed, billy-club wielding police officers elbow to elbow marching towards/through us on one side and Lake Michigan (which offered no escape) on the other. One of my buds, a big street-wise guy from the south side thought quickly enough to get us up in that tree where we pulled him up after us.

Saw a lot from that vantage point. It certainly knocked the rose-colored glasses off. A lot more reality than I had been looking for.

38 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:16:00pm

re: #36 dragonath

Yea, I saw that derpalicious page. Way to twist Temple Grandin's own words. I don't think anyone who calls homosexuality a "dysfunction" ought to be taken seriously.

Yeah, Gallagher's a hateful person. Not surprised, she's found a new target after making a good living hating on gays. By the way, being on the spectrum is why I fight so hard for gay rights. I know it's not quite the same but being on the spectrum I think has given me a lot of perspective on why equality and acceptance is such a worthwhile goal.

39 Charleston Chew  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:16:05pm

re: #20 Lidane

Dear Right Wing Moron,

Some of us were born after 1968. We don't remember any of those events aside from as test questions in American History class in school. Not everything in this country has to do with Vietnam and the hippies.

Please move your cultural references up a few decades. Thanks.

No love,
Me

Something that was notable but unreported about the election this year was that it was the first one in 40 years to not be about the "the 60s", Vietnam, and related Boomer obsessions.

These right-wingers need to realize that time has marched on while they were locked in a fantasy life that's basically Dirty Harry and Death Wish movies playing in an infinite loop (with an occasional showing of Red Dawn to break up the monotony).

40 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:16:06pm

Charles Whitman
August 1, 1966
Occupation: Former U.S. Marine
AKA The Texas Sniper
Killed: 16 (including unborn child)
Injured: 32

41 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:17:28pm

Steven Crowder has posted what he claims are the "unedited" tapes from the Michigan demonstration. Except that it is still edited and full of cuts and gaps and black screens with text "explaining" what is going on...

The one good thing in this footage is that it becomes apparent that the guy in the Guy Fawkes mask was with them, I guess he was their back up plan if they could not goad the union people into doing something stupid.

42 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:18:41pm

re: #29 lawhawk

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Anyone want to guess whether the NRA will propose meaningful and constructive solutions in the wake of #Newtown?

Bryan Fischer is positively gleeful about it. Sickening bastard...

43 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:18:45pm

re: #39 Charleston Chew

Something that was notable but unreported about the election this year was that it was the first one in 40 years to not be about the "the 60s", Vietnam, and related Boomer obsessions.

These right-wingers need to realize that time has marched on while they were locked in a fantasy life that's basically Dirty Harry and Death Wish movies playing in an infinite loop (with an occasional showing of Red Dawn to break up the monotony).

And it's only to get more and more distant as time goes on. They really want to live in the same world that allowed Nixon to get elected president. The irony of course is that Nixon would be far too liberal for them now and that they'd probably embrace George C. Wallace because they'd see him as a "true conservative."

44 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:22:24pm

re: #7 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Priorities. He comes first. Ahead of G-d.

Funny thing about that. G-d doesn't approve of that kind of thing.

45 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:22:45pm

WESTBORO IS "LEFT WING"? ONLY IN THE BRAIN CAVITY OF DIM JIM.

46 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:22:54pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

The modern GOP would have impeached Nixon for everything except Watergate.

Meeting with Mao, taking the US off the gold standard, creating OSHA and the EPA, Title IX, the Clean Air and Water Acts, etc.? All too liberal for the modern GOP.

47 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:23:34pm

re: #45 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

On what fucking planet are the Westboro freaks "left wing"?

48 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:24:14pm

re: #45 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

WESTBORO IS "LEFT WING"? ONLY IN THE BRAIN CAVITY OF DIM JIM.

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Rational thought is not one of Hoft's strong points.

49 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:24:34pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

A thought experiment for those among us who still don't believe there's a problem in a country with 300 million guns -- what if it really IS the guns that are the problem?

I know, if you've been conditioned to respond to that question with total rejection it might be difficult to even consider it.

But what if it really IS the guns? Then what?

That's like asking "What if there is no God".
They can't consider it. I think it's terminally painful for them.

50 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:25:00pm

re: #45 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

WESTBORO IS "LEFT WING"? ONLY IN THE BRAIN CAVITY OF DIM JIM.

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You see this?

Correction: Fred Phelps is a Democrat and the Westboro Church is not a Christian group – It is a sick cult.

51 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:25:04pm

Anyone want to help me out here? Someone thinks that Westboro is a left-wing group.

Never mind that their positions sync up with right wing causes more often than not.

Oh and that someone? Jim Hoft.

52 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:25:22pm

re: #45 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

GMTA

53 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:25:55pm

re: #48 Kragar

Rational thought is not one of Hoft's strong points.

He's the Dumbest Man on the Internet for a reason.

54 freetoken  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:26:05pm

re: #51 lawhawk

Anyone want to help me out here? Someone thinks that Westboro is a left-wing group.

You know, in the same way that the Nazis were left-wing progressives.

55 Charleston Chew  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:26:06pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

A thought experiment for those among us who still don't believe there's a problem in a country with 300 million guns -- what if it really IS the guns that are the problem?

I know, if you've been conditioned to respond to that question with total rejection it might be difficult to even consider it.

But what if it really IS the guns? Then what?

Heresy against Zardoz!

56 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:26:33pm

re: #47 Lidane

On what fucking planet are the Westboro freaks "left wing"?

Not saying it because I believe it but because I've seen people do this. The claim is and this is technically true but that Fred Phelps is a registered Democrat and once supported Al Gore for president. What they don't tell you is party registration is just that and not any real indictator of a person's ideology. And two he did support Gore in 1988 which is I believe before he went nuts but also ended up picketing Gore's father's funeral in 2000.

57 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:26:52pm

re: #45 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

WESTBORO IS "LEFT WING"? ONLY IN THE BRAIN CAVITY OF DIM JIM.

Temporarily thrown out of the club due to saying/doing something completely and obviously stupid even to him. Thus, by default, an attempt to associate them with "the enemy" follows.

They will be reincorporated into The Body once the hullabaloo dies down since they are against the right things.
//

58 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:26:54pm

re: #46 Lidane

The modern GOP would have impeached Nixon for everything except Watergate.

Meeting with Mao, taking the US off the gold standard, creating OSHA and the EPA, Title IX, the Clean Air and Water Acts, etc.? All too liberal for the modern GOP.

That's much too kind to Nixon- the guy vetoed the Clean Water Act and probably the nation's best chance for a child care bill (because it was "too soviet").

He'd fit in.

59 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:27:37pm

re: #47 Lidane

On what fucking planet are the Westboro freaks "left wing"?

Hoftanus.

60 DobermanBoston  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:27:41pm

It's funny, because to me the Tea Party is just like the bizarro version of that whole Chicago/New Left scene from 40+ years ago. Same nihilism, same fondness for dressing up in period costumes (Indians then, "Founders" now), same constant whining about "the establishment".

61 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:27:52pm

re: #54 freetoken

You know, in the same way that the Nazis were left-wing progressives.

Well yeah, because it was National Socialism.

So since Phelps once identified himself as a democrat, despite being totally against everything the democrats stand for, he is a left winger.

62 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:29:19pm

re: #61 Kragar

Well yeah, because it was National Socialism.

So since Phelps once identified himself as a democrat, despite being totally against everything the democrats stand for, he is a left winger.

Wasn't St Reagan also once a Democrat?

63 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:29:28pm

They use the fact that Phelps is a registered Democrat. Because you know David Duke being a registered Republican totally tells you everything you need to know about David Duke's ideology and the Republican party's. And I'm being totally sarcastic because as much as I dislike the Republican party, they're not as repugnant as Duke's ideology.

64 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:29:35pm

re: #61 Kragar

So since Phelps once identified himself as a democrat, despite being totally against everything the democrats stand for, he is a left winger.

By that logic, Randall Terry is also a left winger, since he ran against Obama this year in the Democratic party primaries.

65 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:29:52pm

re: #62 Feline Fearless Leader

Wasn't St Reagan also once a Democrat?

...and a union leader.

66 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:29:54pm

re: #62 Feline Fearless Leader

Wasn't St Reagan also once a Democrat?

Yeah but he was "cured."

67 calochortus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:31:32pm

re: #41 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Steven Crowder has posted what he claims are the "unedited" tapes from the Michigan demonstration. Except that it is still edited and full of cuts and gaps and black screens with text "explaining" what is going on...

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The one good thing in this footage is that it becomes apparent that the guy in the Guy Fawkes mask was with them, I guess he was their back up plan if they could not goad the union people into doing something stupid.

Hmmm, so the union guys were chanting "block this tent", then maybe, "take this tent", but by the time they got to "fuck your ass" they were chanting without moving their lips? Diabolical!
I couldn't help but note that "bum rushing the tent" appeared to be people milling aimlessly around. And the "assault" scene looked like Crowder had done something to knock the union guy down. Good luck taking that to a jury.

68 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:31:46pm

Blame the Hippies is the new theme? Blame the young, the brown skinned, the heathens, the young, the furrinors who don't speak American English. Blame the government, the communists, the liberals. Blame Cain, Blame Abel.

Does it matter, what are we going to do to move forward regardless of whose fault it might be?

*sigh*

69 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:32:08pm

re: #64 Lidane

By that logic, Randall Terry is also a left winger, since he ran against Obama this year in the Democratic party primaries.

Dude these are the same people who point out to the "socialist" in National Socialist party and use it as proof that the Nazis were lefties. Totally ignoring that their main enemies in their rise to power were the moderate socialist, SPD(Socialist Party of Germany) and the KPD(Communist Party of Germany) and that they imprisoned many left wingers. Then again, you point out to them that nearly all Communist regimes call themselves Democratic and you get an odd silent stare.

70 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:33:31pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Dude these are the same people who point out to the "socialist" in National Socialist party and use it as proof that the Nazis were lefties. Totally ignoring that their main enemies in their rise to power were the moderate socialist, SPD(Socialist Party of Germany) and the KPD(Communist Party of Germany) and that they imprisoned many left wingers. Then again, you point out to them that nearly all Communist regimes call themselves Democratic and you get an odd silent stare.

Too many words. //

71 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:34:22pm

I mean for crying out loud guys. They bring up the fact that the Dixiecrats were Democrats and then they totally ignore that Reagan and Nixon brought them to the Republican Party via the Southern Strategy. So, when you see someone who claims Phelps is a left winger because he once was a registered Dem, that's the kind of logic you're dealing with.

72 jaunte  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:34:35pm
We think it is possible to identify the date when the U.S., or more precisely when many people within it, began to tip off the emotional tracks. A lot of people won’t like this date, because it makes their political culture culpable for what has happened. The date is August 1968

So Charles Whitman, the 1966 UT tower sniper, was driven off the rails by his precognitive abilities.

73 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:34:43pm

re: #70 Gus

Too many words. //

I'm a history nerd. I can't help it.

74 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:35:07pm

Not a Yankees fan, but this was classy:

Derek Jeter called teacher's mom

75 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:35:58pm

re: #68 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Blame everyone and everything except the guns. That's the game plan.

76 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:36:46pm

re: #74 Lidane

Not a Yankees fan, but this was classy:

Derek Jeter called teacher's mom

Indeed. I've hated the Yankees for as long as I can remember but this is unbelievably classy on Jeter's part. So major props to him.

77 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:37:02pm

re: #72 jaunte

So Charles Whitman, the 1966 UT tower sniper, was driven off the rails by his precognitive abilities.

I thought it was really at the end of the Civil War. A lot of emotions and intellected imploded. Really, some very, very basic concepts that were the norm for centuries were invalidated by in the US at that time. A human cannot own another human.

WE still grapple with this.

78 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:38:05pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Yeah, Gallagher's a hateful person. Not surprised, she's found a new target after making a good living hating on gays. By the way, being on the spectrum is why I fight so hard for gay rights. I know it's not quite the same but being on the spectrum I think has given me a lot of perspective on why equality and acceptance is such a worthwhile goal.

You ain't the only one here on the spectrum. A number of us are either on it, or have relatives on it. We know first hand where you are coming from.

79 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:38:35pm

re: #75 Lidane

Blame everyone and everything except the guns. That's the game plan.

I understand, still having issues with the whole blaming an inanimate object, but I trying to process. Is it really about testosterone + immature brain = bad gun?

80 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:39:04pm

re: #75 Lidane

Blame everyone and everything except the guns. That's the game plan.


Franklin Graham on Sandy Hook: 'This is What Happens When a Society Turns Its Back on God'

Franklin Graham called in to American Family Radio today to talk with the AFA's leading conspiracy theorist Buster Wilson about a variety of issues, including last week's shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which Graham blamed on television and music and video games before inevitably blaming the supposed removal of God from our schools and public places, saying "these politicians in Washington; we've taken God our of our school, we've taken him out of our government and now we seem shocked at all of these things. Why are we shocked? We shouldn't be shocked. This is what happens when a society turns its back on God":

The AFA needs a shorter message.

"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" seems to fit their needs.

81 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:39:16pm

re: #78 b_sharp

You ain't the only one here on the spectrum. A number of us are either on it, or have relatives on it. We know first hand where you are coming from.

Yep. Appreciated all the same.

82 freetoken  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:40:22pm

re: #80 Kragar

N.E.G.G.G.

83 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:40:42pm

re: #79 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I understand, still having issues with the whole blaming an inanimate object, but I trying to process. Is it really about testosterone + immature brain = bad gun?

It's more like this:

Unresolved anger + Immature brain + ready access to an arsenal of guns = bad shit happening

If Lanza hadn't had immediate access to an arsenal of guns, it would have been a lot harder for him to do what he did. It's easy to kill a bunch of people in a hail of bullets. It's that much harder to stab or beat them to death.

84 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:40:48pm

re: #80 Kragar


Franklin Graham on Sandy Hook: 'This is What Happens When a Society Turns Its Back on God'

The AFA needs a shorter message.

"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" seems to fit their needs.

What happens when a society turns it's back on a god?

People using god for to gain personal power lose out.

85 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:41:00pm

re: #82 freetoken

N.E.G.G.G.

???

86 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:41:53pm

OT. Hang on! Global warming ain't real man.

Matt Ridley: Cooling Down the Fears of Climate Change
Evidence points to a further rise of just 1°C by 2100. The net effect on the planet may actually be beneficial.
By MATT RIDLEY

Forget the Doha climate jamboree that ended earlier this month. The theological discussions in Qatar of the arcana of climate treaties are irrelevant. By far the most important debate about climate change is taking place among scientists, on the issue of climate sensitivity: How much warming will a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide actually produce? The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has to pronounce its answer to this question in its Fifth Assessment Report next year.

The general public is not privy to the IPCC debate. But I have been speaking to somebody who understands the issues: Nic Lewis. A semiretired successful financier from Bath, England, with a strong mathematics and physics background, Mr. Lewis has made significant contributions to the subject of climate change...

Also:

Mr. Ridley writes the Mind and Matter column in The Wall Street Journal and has written on climate issues for various publications for 25 years. His family leases land for coal mining in northern England, on a project that will cease in five years.

87 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:42:08pm

Really he says that knowing full well that some of our most violent times as a people were during our most religious. And of course, I don't think Franklin Graham gives two damns about peace knowing that he wants a new holy war between Christians and Muslims.

88 jaunte  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:42:17pm

A confused Franklin Graham joins Bryan Fischer, Huckabee, in blaming schoolchildren and teachers for their own deaths, and/or blaming his God for being a vengeful monster:

'This is What Happens When a Society Turns Its Back on God'

89 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:43:01pm

re: #86 Gus

OT. Hang on! Global warming ain't real man.

Matt Ridley: Cooling Down the Fears of Climate Change
Evidence points to a further rise of just 1°C by 2100. The net effect on the planet may actually be beneficial.
By MATT RIDLEY

Also:

Sorry, but he doesn't have a degree in Scottish History, so how can I trust his views on global warming?

90 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:44:03pm

re: #80 Kragar


Franklin Graham on Sandy Hook: 'This is What Happens When a Society Turns Its Back on God'

These guys are the single greatest argument for atheism out there. Simple as that.

91 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:44:13pm

re: #78 b_sharp

You ain't the only one here on the spectrum. A number of us are either on it, or have relatives on it. We know first hand where you are coming from.

I'd venture to say that ALL of us here have some level of dysfunction that if combined with the arbitrary bad circumstances life can dice out, could become severely dysfunctional.

I'd like to think we can have systems in place to make this a temporary state, not one in which a person has to be come so dysfunctional they have to commit a crime to be noticed or get help.

It wouldn't stop every tragedy, but I think we could prevent quite a few.

92 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:45:02pm

re: #86 Gus

93 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:45:06pm

re: #83 Lidane

It's more like this:

Unresolved anger + Immature brain + ready access to an arsenal of guns = bad shit happening

If Lanza hadn't had immediate access to an arsenal of guns, it would have been a lot harder for him to do what he did. It's easy to kill a bunch of people in a hail of bullets. It's that much harder to stab or beat them to death.

I'm understanding that. It's a semantic issue, I think.

94 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:45:31pm

re: #88 jaunte

A confused Franklin Graham joins Bryan Fischer, Huckabee, in blaming schoolchildren and teachers for their own deaths, and/or blaming his God for being a vengeful monster:

'This is What Happens When a Society Turns Its Back on God'

The reason you're seeing all these religious right hucksters pushing this "not enough God" BS is because they know it really works with their audience. I guarantee this line is being preached in churches across America.

95 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:46:12pm

re: #88 jaunte

A confused Franklin Graham joins Bryan Fischer, Huckabee, in blaming schoolchildren and teachers for their own deaths, and/or blaming his God for being a vengeful monster:

'This is What Happens When a Society Turns Its Back on God'

How do you turn your back on an omnipresent god?

96 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:46:43pm

re: #95 b_sharp

How do you turn your back on an omnipresent god?

ROTFLAMO!!!!!

97 allegro  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:46:54pm

re: #91 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I'd venture to say that ALL of us here have some level of dysfunction that if combined with the arbitrary bad circumstances life can dice out, could become severely dysfunctional.

I'd like to think we can have systems in place to make this a temporary state, not one in which a person has to be come so dysfunctional they have to commit a crime to be noticed or get help.

It wouldn't stop every tragedy, but I think we could prevent quite a few.

We would have to begin with a reality-based society. Until the god-botherers/science deniers are no longer taken seriously, that is not going to happen.

98 jaunte  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:47:01pm

re: #95 b_sharp

Yeah, I'm not seeing how that omnipresence fits with the idea of being "kicked out" of somewhere.

99 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:47:27pm

re: #95 b_sharp

How do you turn your back on an omnipresent god?

That's just how evil liberals are.

100 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:47:29pm

re: #95 b_sharp

How do you turn your back on an omnipresent god?

Doncha know, he's really a superhero with a cape. He has a front and a back, but doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. So, you can turn your back on his back and it wouldn't matter, he still couldn't see you.

101 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:47:31pm

re: #95 b_sharp

How do you turn your back on an omnipresent god?

Sort of like, if God is so great then why am I an atheist?

//

102 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:47:46pm

Didn't Louie C.K compare their idea of God once to a jealous girlfriend? Really, that's how it sounds to me. Oh, remembering now. He used the story of Abraham to do that.

103 freetoken  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:48:46pm

So, I just read today's addition of what passes as intellectual gigantism at NRO:

Running Amok

As near as I can tell, it's an attempt to argue for inaction based upon the idea that humans are, well, human and we can't do anything about it.

Which begs the question (not addressed by the author) as to why civilizations come up with laws anyway.

Plus, I sniff the underlying an underlying racist meme... but perhaps that is just me.

104 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:50:18pm

The interesting thing about Texas mass murderer Charles Whitman is that he had a very nasty form of brain tumor that would have soon killed him. It was discovered in his autopsy, and it's quite possible that it influenced his behavior that day.

105 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:50:24pm

re: #97 allegro

We would have to begin with a reality-based society. Until the god-botherers/science deniers are no longer taken seriously, that is not going to happen.

Well, I think we have that "system" I talked about in place. It just doesn't work for everyone. There has to be private insurance and family advocacy. And that does work much of the time, but obviously not enough.

I know you also can't help someone who doesn't believe they need it. You can only hope to limit their exposure to danger (i.e AWB).

*sigh*

106 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:50:50pm

re: #93 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I'm understanding that. It's a semantic issue, I think.

It's a practical issue.

A gun is a tool.

Tools increase efficiency to varying degrees.

A rapid fire hand gun/assault rifle increases efficiency more than a single shot Derringer.

A rapid fire hand gun/assault rifle will also decrease the efficiency of the target more than a Derringer.

107 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:51:05pm

re: #101 Gus

Sort of like, if God is so great then why am I an atheist?

//

Why does G-d need a StarShip?

108 calochortus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:51:26pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

The interesting thing about Texas mass murderer Charles Whitman is that he had a very nasty form of brain tumor that would have soon killed him. It was discovered in his autopsy, and it's quite possible that it influenced his behavior that day.

The other interesting thing is that IIRC, Whitman knew there was something wrong with him and wanted it investigated after his death.

109 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:52:04pm

re: #100 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Doncha know, he's really a superhero with a cape. He has a front and a back, but doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. So, you can turn your back on his back and it wouldn't matter, he still couldn't see you.

OK, now you have me standing on my head.

110 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:53:09pm

When Fred Phelps comes to visit....

Although in his defense I hear that the Jehovah's Witnesses in that neighborhood can be pretty bad to...

///

111 jaunte  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:53:19pm

My local Texas state representative, laser focused on the important stuff:

Bohac files "Merry Christmas Bill" to protect traditional holiday greetings and displays in Texas public schools

Meanwhile... Dwayne can't read.

112 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:53:31pm

I want to be able to find a spiritual peace without some butthead like Franklin Graham telling me I'm doing it wrong because I'm not being a judgmental prick in the process.

113 efuseakay  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:53:51pm

There was some fool at FR that just knows what the problem with this country is. It's that we evolved too far past the 1800s when everyone back then had guns (albeit no assault rifles with large magazines). Cuz you know... nobody ever killed anyone back then because we were all armed. Or something.

114 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:54:05pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

That's just how evil liberals are.

It makes sense is you understand that within the theological discussion of acts versus faith, US wingnuts have created the new niche of "say magic words constantly or God smacks you around because violent patriarchy is a as above, so below proposition."

115 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:54:27pm

re: #111 jaunte

My local Texas state representative, laser focused on the important stuff:

Bohac files "Merry Christmas Bill" to protect traditional holiday greetings and displays in Texas public schools

Meanwhile... Dwayne can't read.

We should change it to "Happy Hannukah". After all people have been saying that longer than "Merry Christmas."

116 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:54:30pm

There are no news reports of New Zeeland being zapped in to extinction, so I guess it's not the end of the world there.

117 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:55:13pm

re: #109 b_sharp

OK, now you have me standing on my head.

you have shoes that fit your head?

118 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:55:25pm

re: #116 Holidays are Family Fun Time

There are no news reports of New Zeeland being zapped in to extinction, so I guess it's not the end of the world there.

Yet.

119 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:55:41pm

re: #117 Holidays are Family Fun Time

you have shoes that fit your head?

No, just bent over backwards.

120 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:57:02pm

re: #113 efuseakay

There was some fool at FR that just knows what the problem with this country is. It's that we evolved too far past the 1800s when everyone back then had guns (albeit no assault rifles with large magazines). Cuz you know... nobody ever killed anyone back then because we were all armed. Or something.

Everyone could read and write, there was no cancer or disease, every finished high school, got married, had babies they wanted and could raise. Those babies never died of milk poisoning. There were no brown people anywhere you went except as servants.

Yeah, life was perfect.

*spit*

122 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:58:50pm

re: #114 The Ghost of a Flea

It makes sense is you understand that within the theological discussion of acts versus faith, US wingnuts have created the new niche of "say magic words constantly or God smacks you around because violent patriarchy is a as above, so below proposition."

It's a very childlike version of the world. It's as if they think the simplified stories told to children to introduce them to spirituality and a just way of living are taken to be fact.

Jesus really did tend a flock of sheep, out in the green pastures of Judeah AND somehow he managed to put in a good-days work as a carpenter.

How does that work?

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:58:55pm

re: #120 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Everyone could read and write, there was no cancer or disease, every finished high school, got married, had babies they wanted and could raise. Those babies never died of milk poisoning. There were no brown people anywhere you went except as servants.

Yeah, life was perfect.

*spit*

And then the Mayflower landed and things went to crap.
/// ;P

124 freetoken  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:59:14pm

re: #121 Gus

It's a failure of governance and of democracy.

Just like the 2nd Amendment, the Senate is increasingly obsolete.

125 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:59:28pm

re: #119 b_sharp

No, just bent over backwards.

Doesn't the cape get tangled that way?

126 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:00:12pm

re: #125 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Doesn't the cape get tangled that way?

I pack it away.

127 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:00:17pm
128 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:00:33pm

Time to go see the doctor.
Later chaps.

129 freetoken  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:00:51pm
130 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:00:52pm

re: #124 freetoken

It's a failure of governance and of democracy.

Just like the 2nd Amendment, the Senate is increasingly obsolete.

Don't know what the House record is to date. However, this week will be another example. The House will vote on "Plan B" today which Obama already said he would veto. Meanwhile, Plan B won't even come up for a Senate vote. They love to waste time.

131 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:01:10pm

re: #121 Gus

Bills Passed By The Senate Hit Fifty-Year Low

Image: Filibuster_graph1.png

Washington's "saucer" transmogrified into a high pressure cooker

132 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:02:10pm

re: #126 b_sharp

I pack it away.

Then you are not really a superhero. Capes are part of their bodies. Didn't you know?

133 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:02:25pm

re: #131 dragonath

Washington's "saucer" transmogrified into a high pressure cooker

More like some sort of derp condensation unit. It's pretty concentrated there.

134 freetoken  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:02:34pm

re: #130 Gus

The reason Boehner can so cavalierly put "Plan B" up for vote is that he knows he won't have to answer to his constituency for it because he knows the Senate will shoot it down.

One part of Congress provides cover for the other to play games.

135 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:03:07pm

re: #129 freetoken

2 Stunning Photos of Senator Daniel Inouye's Casket Lying in State

I really like the overhead shot. What an amazing guy though. Medal of Honor winner and had served in the Senate from his state's inception. In a different era, I think a guy like him would have ran for president. I did some research for work one time about the 442nd Infantry Regiment. Amazing guys.

136 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:03:12pm

re: #129 freetoken

2 Stunning Photos of Senator Daniel Inouye's Casket Lying in State

I love the Rotunda. It's truly a special place to be.

137 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:04:37pm

re: #130 Gus

Don't know what the House record is to date. However, this week will be another example. The House will vote on "Plan B" today which Obama already said he would veto. Meanwhile, Plan B won't even come up for a Senate vote. They love to waste time.

I was listening to C-SPAN radio in the car earlier and heard some congress critter talk about Plan B and then said he wanted to talk about Plan A instead. My first thought was, great! I'm going to hear a rant about personal responsibility and not having sex until you are married.

LOL

138 freetoken  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:05:20pm

re: #137 Holidays are Family Fun Time

You know you'll be in trouble when they start talking about "Plan 9".

139 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:07:06pm

Gallup: Obama Approval at 56%, Highest Since October 2009

140 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:07:45pm

Interesting interview - including interesting details about the radicalization of the NRA from what once was an organization representing the interests of gun owners into an organization largely representing the interests of the gun industry (and exploiting anti-government rightwing rhetoric to do so). Also details about how the gun industry/NRA has effectively prevented public analysis of the data on the #'s of assault weapons that have been used in criminal activity. The next time you hear someone saying that assault weapons have not been used in significant numbers to kill kids, call BULLSHIT - because they don't have the data to back up such statements:

Diaz — who is also the author of the forthcoming book The Last Gun, about changes in the gun industry and gun violence — and his colleagues have conducted extensive research on gun violence in the United States and have written reports on assault weapons, as well as on the National Rifle Association and the corporations that fund it. What gun manufacturers have done to rejuvenate their markets, Diaz tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross, is to emphasize military-derived semi-automatic guns and, in marketing, "appeal to the inner soldier, the insurrectionist feelings and high-tech desires to market these military-style guns."

[Link: www.npr.org...]

141 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:08:11pm

re: #139 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Gallup: Obama Approval at 56%, Highest Since October 2009

He's gotta use that to his advantage when dealing with Boehner.

142 efuseakay  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:08:37pm

re: #121 Gus

Bills Passed By The Senate Hit Fifty-Year Low

Image: Filibuster_graph1.png

There's the smaller Government TPers were hoping for! Too bad there's a black man running the show.

143 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:09:08pm

re: #140 Talking Point Detective

As much as I like to give credit to the NRA for their education and safety programs, it's difficult to ignore that there wasn't an NRA until after the Civil War. . . . .

144 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:09:28pm

re: #138 freetoken

You know you'll be in trouble when they start talking about "Plan 9".

Well, Varek might not mind.

145 freetoken  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:11:24pm

Meanwhile, back in the heartland:

Republican leaders oppose new social studies standards

GOP leaders of the Minnesota House say new proposed social studies academic standards de-emphasize American successes and American patriotism and should be rejected by Gov. Mark Dayton.

"Among the several deficiencies in these proposed standards is the overall de-emphasis on the contributions of the United States and our economic and political ideals," said a letter from Rep. Kurt Daudt, R-Crown, the incoming House Minority Leader, and Rep. Kelby Woodard, R-Belle Plaine, who will be the party's lead on the Education Finance Committee.


[...]


Daudt's letter said "there is no mention of Osama Bin Laden, the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq, the global war on terrorism, or even the events of Sept. 11, 2001."

It's interesting to see what get's called out as "American successes and American patriotism."

146 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:12:07pm

re: #95 b_sharp

How do you turn your back on an omnipresent god?

And how do you hide your true intentions or true feelings from an omniscient god? You'd think it would know all those things already.

147 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:13:08pm

re: #145 freetoken

Meanwhile, back in the heartland:

Republican leaders oppose new social studies standards

It's interesting to see what get's called out as "American successes and American patriotism."

Because (key twilight zone music) it's really 1984. George Orwell was writing history, not fiction.

*spit)

148 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:13:28pm

Another argument for atheism:

149 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:13:40pm

re: #146 Lidane

And how do you hide your true intentions or true feelings from an omniscient god? You'd think it would know all those things already.

DO NOT LOOK FOR LOGIC.

You will only hurt yourself. Besides, chocolate tastes better.

150 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:14:52pm

re: #45 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

WESTBORO IS "LEFT WING"? ONLY IN THE BRAIN CAVITY OF DIM JIM.

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See: Westboro Baptist Church Newtown Funeral Protest Thwarted By Good Samaritans

A lot of other bikers and biker "gangs" showed up as you can see in photo gallery here.

151 efuseakay  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:15:14pm

re: #95 b_sharp

How do you turn your back on an omnipresent god?

Tap his opposite shoulder from behind!

152 freetoken  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:15:15pm

re: #148 Lidane

That's not uncommon, from the various internet postings the last week.

Jerry Coyne launched into William Lane Craig for using the Sandy Hook massacre as a preaching tool to illustrate the real meaning of Christmas.

I kid you not.

153 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:17:00pm

re: #100 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Doncha know, he's really a superhero with a cape. He has a front and a back, but doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. So, you can turn your back on his back and it wouldn't matter, he still couldn't see you.

POOOWWWDERED TOAST MAAAAAAN!!!

154 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:17:28pm
155 Lidane  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:18:57pm

re: #152 freetoken

That's not uncommon, from the various internet postings the last week.

Jerry Coyne launched into William Lane Craig for using the Sandy Hook massacre as a preaching tool to illustrate the real meaning of Christmas.

I kid you not.

I just don't understand how anyone can use those senseless deaths as a sign that God loves people. What kind of God would deliberately allow those deaths as a means to gain worshippers?

Sounds like an evil bastard of a God to me. If he's my only option, I'll stick with my atheism, thanks.

156 freetoken  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:23:05pm

re: #155 Lidane

Craig attempted to use the Newtown massacre to illustrate the horrors of the alleged (but for which no evidence exists) "massacre of the innocents" by Herod. Craig then failed, utterly, to show how any of this can be connected with the "true meaning" of Christmas, unless we are supposed to accept that massacres of innocent children is the only proof that humans are evil and thus, in Craig's presuppositional apologetics, the Gospels are true.

157 TedStriker  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:27:29pm

re: #80 Kragar


Franklin Graham on Sandy Hook: 'This is What Happens When a Society Turns Its Back on God'

The AFA needs a shorter message.

"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" seems to fit their needs.

Franklin, STFU and STFD.

You father may have his own hangups and baggage, but you're nothing but a pretender to the throne.

158 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:28:32pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

We should change it to "Happy Hannukah". After all people have been saying that longer than "Merry Christmas."

I'm just gonna say "Hail Satan", fuck them.

159 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:28:37pm

re: #154 Holidays are Family Fun Time

160 freetoken  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:31:24pm

Yet another attempt to explain Newtown on the War on Manliness, from where else but NRO:

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

This will never stop.

161 freetoken  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:32:12pm

National Review - the intellectual giants of "conservatism".

Time for some midget wrestling, I think.

162 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:38:17pm

re: #156 freetoken

Craig attempted to use the Newtown massacre to illustrate the horrors of the alleged (but for which no evidence exists) "massacre of the innocents" by Herod. Craig then failed, utterly, to show how any of this can be connected with the "true meaning" of Christmas, unless we are supposed to accept that massacres of innocent children is the only proof that humans are evil and thus, in Craig's presuppositional apologetics, the Gospels are true.

Yep, you know that God loves you and has something important planned when he redoes the decor in children's blood.
///

O_o

163 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:44:56pm

Gun rush update.

The stampede to buy guns before "Obama bans them" is getting surreal.

I've been checking retail prices around the country. The big stores like Gander Mountain put this right on their websites, but it is also possible to check prices at local shops. This is because a number of large wholesalers, notably Davidson's, will let you pick a gun from their stock then get several quotes for delivery from affiliated retailers in your area.

As expected, military style "assault weapons" have virtually disappeared. High capacity semi-auto pistols are also in short supply and priced accordingly. What is surprising is that many retailers have also raised their prices on guns that nobody has seriously suggested subjecting to further regulation. Many retailers are asking more than MSRP on items like single action revolvers and bolt action rifles. A few weeks ago, before the election, these were often steeply discounted. One local store quoted $756 for a particular Ruger #1 in September, and are now wanting $1150 for the same gun. This is an ultra-traditional single-shot rifle that would be among the very last items subjected to any kind of additional regulation.

Hypothesis: A sizable part of the market believes it will shortly be illegal to buy ANY kind of firearm. This should not really be a surprise given all the hysterical propaganda about the (non-existent) UN small arms treaty or Obama's intention to seize dictatorial emergency powers.

164 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:45:32pm

re: #160 freetoken

Yet another attempt to explain Newtown on the War on Manliness, from where else but NRO:

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

This will never stop.

A shout-out to Dennis Prager?

Ewww.

165 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:49:46pm
I'm understanding that. It's a semantic issue, I think.

It's like this.

People are people. Some are more or less stable than others, some are more or less violent than others. No matter how sensible or stable we are, we are still prone to doing dumb things from time to time. The real issues is what the consequences might be.

If we do something dumb or crazy with a tweet, we hurt some feelings, face social embarrassment, and may lose our jobs.

If we do something dumb or crazy with a car, we may kill ourselves and others.

If we do something dumb or crazy with a gun, we will also probably kill or seriously injure someone.

It is obvious that dangerous things like cars and guns should be kept away from those who cannot handle them. That is why we license and regulate who can use a car, and have a lot of rules in how they can be used. It's not perfect, and people still die all the time due to human error and stupidity. But cars are a necessity of the modern world, and we cannot realistically function without them at this point.

Guns, on the other hand, have a lot less rules associated with them, and people who cannot handle them get a hold of them much more easily. Ask Nancy Lanza. Furthermore, and this is most important, guns serve no function in civilian society. They are solely for entertainment.

And ultimately, the price America pays for the entertainment of a few of its people is a lot of blood and death. Completely unnecessary blood and death.

This is the decision Australia came to - that guns are not necessary, and do not make us more safe or more free. It is America's unique delusion that continues to cost the lives of your neighbours and children.

166 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 2:18:50pm

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel

Gun rush update.

The stampede to buy guns before "Obama bans them" is getting surreal.

I've been checking retail prices around the country. The big stores like Gander Mountain put this right on their websites, but it is also possible to check prices at local shops. This is because a number of large wholesalers, notably Davidson's, will let you pick a gun from their stock then get several quotes for delivery from affiliated retailers in your area.

As expected, military style "assault weapons" have virtually disappeared. High capacity semi-auto pistols are also in short supply and priced accordingly. What is surprising is that many retailers have also raised their prices on guns that nobody has seriously suggested subjecting to further regulation. Many retailers are asking more than MSRP on items like single action revolvers and bolt action rifles. A few weeks ago, before the election, these were often steeply discounted. One local store quoted $756 for a particular Ruger #1 in September, and are now wanting $1150 for the same gun. This is an ultra-traditional single-shot rifle that would be among the very last items subjected to any kind of additional regulation.

Hypothesis: A sizable part of the market believes it will shortly be illegal to buy ANY kind of firearm. This should not really be a surprise given all the hysterical propaganda about the (non-existent) UN small arms treaty or Obama's intention to seize dictatorial emergency powers.

Promoting this kind of crap in suggestible rubes is good for business. The negative externalities of heavily arming an unstable fringe element of society, while simultaneously encouraging them to go off their rockers, are costs that are not borne by gun makers or sellers.

More blessings of the free market, I suppose. //

167 stabby  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:15:50pm

The Wall Street Journal must now have the lowest standards for journalism in history. They've been pushing "trickle down economics" too haven't they, and they were supposed to be a journal that knew economics.

In order to blame a massacre by a man born in 1992 to a conservative family on 1968, Daniel Henninger has to be the sort of obsessed moron who spends all day, every day muttering under his breath about the damn hippies. I'm sure he's convinced that the 1968 democratic convention is responsible for his impotent penis and his hacking cough. The mirror image of an anti-semite, he's just screaming "hippies!" instead.

168 Destro  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 7:12:16pm

I posted the article in answer to this article:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

When Black Panthers demonstrated with rifles in public Reagan's California GOP passed gun control laws with the approval of NRA


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