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NRA Press Conference Summed Up: More Guns

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The Washington Post has a transcript of today’s NRA press conference, and I hope you’re not too surprised to learn that their idea of “meaningful contributions” boils down to two simple words: More guns.

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Wayne LaPierre, the conspiracy-minded leader of the NRA, went on to propose that we build a “database of the mentally ill,” which is a very sick irony coming from a man who absolutely rejects any such database for gun owners.

Other “solutions” offered by the NRA in this ludicrous press conference: armed guards in every school, and banning video games.

Other “anything but guns” excuses offered by the NRA: movies, music videos, video games, President Obama, hurricanes, the media, gun-free zones, and celebrities.

Former RNC chairman Michael Steele thought this press conference was “very haunting and very disturbing,” and that pretty much sums it up.

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139 comments

1 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:02:01pm

Wouldn't a better solution be making sure bad guys had less access to getting guns in the first place?

2 erik_t  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:03:51pm

re: #1 Kragar

Wouldn't a better solution be making sure bad guys had less access to getting guns in the first place?

Because shut up.

3 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:03:54pm

Nothing worse than a pussy with a gun in his hand.

4 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:05:39pm
5 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:06:14pm

re: #1 Kragar

Wouldn't a better solution be making sure bad guys had less access to getting guns in the first place?

Of course not since we can't ever totally prevent bad guys from getting guns, or bad women from getting abortions.

Oh wait...
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6 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:06:17pm

Earlier statements made by Wayne LaPierre

1. Law enforcement are “Jack-Booted Thugs.”
2. Bill Clinton purposely tolerated violence in order to ban guns.
3. Gun-Free zones are killing people.
4. Obama spent a lifetime destroying the Second Amendment.
5. Fast and Furious was engineered for “political advantage.”
6. The UN is coming for American guns.
7. Obama will confiscate “our firearms.”
8. Obama’s inaction on guns is a conspiracy to win re-election.
9. All will be lost if Obama is re-elected.

7 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:06:21pm

I saw on Twitter that there was another shooting during the press conference. I don't know if that's true about the timing, but some nut has killed himself and 3 other people in central PA.

4 Dead, 3 State Troopers Injured After Blair County Church Shooting

Mass shootings seem to come in waves as the crazies pop off in a chain reaction, and today is the Not-Pocalypse, right before Christmas. I think I'm just going to stay in this weekend...

8 Skip Intro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:08:11pm

re: #7 Pawn of the Oppressor

I saw on Twitter that there was another shooting during the press conference. I don't know if that's true about the timing, but some nut has killed himself and 3 other people in central PA.

4 Dead, 3 State Troopers Injured After Blair County Church Shooting

I guess God was busy attending the NRA press conference, otherwise he would have intervened.

9 theheat  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:08:12pm

Where Michael Steele doesn't believe this is the direction the conversation with NRA was going, nobody can feign surprise this was their response.

And this situation with murdered schoolchildren isn't that different than other mass shootings, contrary to what Mr. Steele claims. It's only one of the more recent. It's also not the last.

10 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:08:13pm

Surround our schools with volunteer George Zimmermans. What a great idea; thanks, Asa Hutchinson!
[Link: www.arkansasbusiness.com...]

11 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:08:15pm

re: #7 Pawn of the Oppressor

I saw on Twitter that there was another shooting during the press conference. I don't know if that's true about the timing, but some nut has killed himself and 3 other people in central PA.

4 Dead, 3 State Troopers Injured After Blair County Church Shooting

Mass shootings seem to come in waves as the crazies pop off in a chain reaction, and today is the Not-Pocalypse, right before Christmas. I think I'm just going to stay in this weekend...

I guess God only goes to Church on Sundays

12 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:09:24pm

re: #4 jaunte

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Or Minecraft.
DOOMED!

13 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:09:57pm

NRA: FUCK THE FIRST AMENDMENT!

14 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:11:17pm

re: #12 Varek Raith

Or Minecraft.
DOOMED!

I've heard of this horrible game where you run around making big holes with a gun in a godless science lab. It's called "Portal" and it's turning our kids away from god!

15 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:11:37pm

re: #11 Kragar

I guess God only goes to Church on Sundays

Well, actually on Friday He's at the mosque and Saturday He's at the synagogue. But really, four days off, three days on? I'll take that schedule.

16 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:12:56pm

Well in this current atmosphere of mass killings. For a temporary solution I'd have a cop at every school. Then we need to ban military style guns and handguns. Since so many already exist in America today it will take a while to make them rare.

17 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:13:04pm

And, predictably, all the wingnuts I talk to have chosen the same mantra: "You're just not going to be happy until they take all the guns away from lawful citizens."

18 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:13:30pm

Which comes first - the society and culture that venerates firearms, or the media types that exploit that veneration and incorporate it in to their media products, whether it's movies, video games, or books.

Fact is that without such a ready and easily accessible supply of firearms, folks who might have intent to do harm might not be able to carry out their plans.

After all, we've made it difficult for terrorists to obtain bomb parts because they can carry out mass casualty attacks with them. We should be able to arrive at a reasonable solution when dealing with firearms that can also result in mass casualties.

19 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:15:20pm

re: #6 Kragar

Earlier statements made by Wayne LaPierre

1. Law enforcement are “Jack-Booted Thugs.”
2. Bill Clinton purposely tolerated violence in order to ban guns.
3. Gun-Free zones are killing people.
4. Obama spent a lifetime destroying the Second Amendment.
5. Fast and Furious was engineered for “political advantage.”
6. The UN is coming for American guns.
7. Obama will confiscate “our firearms.”
8. Obama’s inaction on guns is a conspiracy to win re-election.
9. All will be lost if Obama is re-elected.

"THEYRE CERMING FER ARE GURNNS ROBBLE ROBBLE!"

I've been hearing and reading this for as long as I've been alive, in very bit of literature put out by the NRA that's ever arrived at my family's home, and this Master Plan to Disarm Us All has yet to materialize in any significant way. I actually stopped being paranoid about it years ago, because it's just so tiring to be that paranoid and angry all the time. Fanatical gun culture sees itself as a watchman in the night, guarding our Freedumb against *mumble mumble something something*. That takes energy I don't have. As for the rest, politicians play politics, news at 11...

I don't think they have the guts to claim outright that mass shootings are a conspiracy to repeal the 2nd Amendment, at least not officially, but it's already been said on the internet.

20 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:16:20pm

re: #16 A Man for all Seasons

Well in this current atmosphere of mass killings. For a temporary solution I'd have a cop at every school. Then we need to ban military style guns and handguns. Since so many already exist in America today it will take a while to make them rare.

It fails as a temporary solution because we don't have enough properly trained people to guard schools now without removing police from everywhere else.

21 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:16:25pm

All it takes to decide who's good and who's bad... is a gun.

22 Shvaughn  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:17:45pm

Apparently the real problem comes from a flash game online called "Kindergarten Killer."

Which has a bunch of armed kids shooting back at an assassin when he accidentally kills a teacher.

Really, this is what the NRA says is the root of the problem.

DISTRACT DISTRACT DISTRACT LOOK OVER THERE QUICK.

23 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:17:54pm

re: #21 jaunte

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All it takes to decide who's good and who's bad... is a gun.

Yeah, but you can tell which is which by the color of their hats.

24 Shvaughn  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:18:37pm

re: #21 jaunte

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All it takes to decide who's good and who's bad... is a gun.

"Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun."

25 erik_t  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:18:46pm

re: #20 calochortus

It fails as a temporary solution because we don't have enough properly trained people to guard schools now without removing police from everywhere else.

We have about six three and a half police per school in this country. Total.

26 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:20:19pm
Bill Clinton included a new program called "Community Oriented Policing Services" that meant to add 100,000 new police officers to our streets (which LaPierre is essentially now proposing by putting cops in every school.) The NRA opposed that bill in 1994 and later mocked the COPS program for failing to meet its promise. Now [LaPierre]'s complaining about the loss of "Secure Our Schools" grants. They were administered by COPS.

Fact-Checking the NRA Press Conference

27 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:20:42pm

re: #25 erik_t

We have about six police per school in this country. Total.

Priorities...

Crime-Ridden Oakland Lays Off 200 Police Officers While Giving $17 Million To Pro Sports Teams

28 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:20:44pm

re: #15 Dr Lizardo

Well, actually on Friday He's at the mosque and Saturday He's at the synagogue. But really, four days off, three days on? I'll take that schedule.

I hear she likes to play skeeball.

29 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:21:12pm

Strike 1-2-3 Against Chris Christie:

30 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:21:16pm

And there goes Winamp, queuing up Massive Attack's Joy Division cover "New Dawn Fades", right on time.

"a loaded gun won't set you free..."

31 erik_t  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:21:52pm

re: #27 Kragar

Priorities...

Crime-Ridden Oakland Lays Off 200 Police Officers While Giving $17 Million To Pro Sports Teams

Refresh. We don't have nearly as many police as I thought.

32 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:22:45pm

re: #27 Kragar

Priorities...

Crime-Ridden Oakland Lays Off 200 Police Officers While Giving $17 Million To Pro Sports Teams

Football, Guns, and Jesus!

Our three State Gods, in alphabetical order because they compete for attention every weekend, and it's hard to pick which is the most important.

33 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:22:55pm

re: #20 calochortus

It fails as a temporary solution because we don't have enough properly trained people to guard schools now without removing police from everywhere else.

our company hires off duty cops and their cop cars for 25 bucks/hour cash.
This is America.. We can make the resources for anything we want

34 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:23:03pm

re: #27 Kragar

Adding insult to injury, the National Footbal League itself is a non-profit entity, like other pro sports leagues.

Unreal.

35 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:23:09pm

re: #25 erik_t

NYC has the School Safety Division. 5,000+ officers/personnel for 1,500 schools. More than 3 per school. That's on top of the NYPD that has more officers per capita than other big cities.

Most localities wont be able to afford the additional police presence without raising taxes significantly.

36 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:23:11pm

re: #18 lawhawk

Which comes first - the society and culture that venerates firearms, or the media types that exploit that veneration and incorporate it in to their media products, whether it's movies, video games, or books.

Fact is that without such a ready and easily accessible supply of firearms, folks who might have intent to do harm might not be able to carry out their plans.

After all, we've made it difficult for terrorists to obtain bomb parts because they can carry out mass casualty attacks with them. We should be able to arrive at a reasonable solution when dealing with firearms that can also result in mass casualties.

Uh, is that worded the way you want it to be worded? Just actually trigger an actual mass gun seizure and I think you can get that result.

37 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:23:31pm

re: #27 Kragar

But, but, Sports!!!!

38 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:23:47pm

And, of course, the NRA's pawns in Congress will scoff at paying for this anyway.
All show.

39 AntonSirius  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:23:51pm

re: #6 Kragar

Earlier statements made by Wayne LaPierre

1. Law enforcement are “Jack-Booted Thugs.”
2. Bill Clinton purposely tolerated violence in order to ban guns.
3. Gun-Free zones are killing people.
4. Obama spent a lifetime destroying the Second Amendment.
5. Fast and Furious was engineered for “political advantage.”
6. The UN is coming for American guns.
7. Obama will confiscate “our firearms.”
8. Obama’s inaction on guns is a conspiracy to win re-election.
9. All will be lost if Obama is re-elected.

"Jack-booted government thugs are coming for our guns!"

"Let's put jack-booted government thugs in every classroom!"

If Wayne LaPierre keeps this up, paranoid nutjobs like Wayne LaPierre are going to become very suspicious of his motives...

40 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:24:28pm

re: #32 Pawn of the Oppressor

Football, Guns, and Jesus!

Our three State Gods, in alphabetical order because they compete for attention every weekend, and it's hard to pick which is the most important.

I'm a dirty heathen because I can't recall the last time I did anything involving those 3.

41 Shvaughn  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:24:50pm

Marine guy who was "guarding" a school is a big fat fraud

Records provided by the Marine Corps show Pusley served nine months before being discharged as a private first class in April 2008. The personnel records further indicate that he never served in Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else overseas.

The records contradict Pusley's claims Wednesday to The Modesto Bee and other media that he is a 28-year-old sergeant who served two tours in Iraq, in Baghdad and Ramadi, and one tour in the Helmand province of Afghanistan.

Pusley told the Army Times on Thursday that he feels "horrible about this."
"I cannot emphasize how sorry I am that all of this has happened," he told the military newspaper. "These were not my intentions. This was never supposed to happen."

He told the Times he is 25, that he borrowed the sergeant's uniform and that he dreamed of being a Marine as a youngster. He lives in Hughson with his wife and 3-year-old son; she is expecting their second child in two weeks.

Pusley did not return multiple messages from The Bee left Thursday, but did tell other media that he had been misquoted.

42 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:26:02pm

It's beyond hypocritical for the NRA to propose anything that would cost money when Grover Fucking Norquist sits on its Board of Directors.

43 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:26:12pm

re: #33 A Man for all Seasons

our company hires off duty cops and their cop cars for 25 bucks/hour cash.
This is America.. We can make the resources for anything we want

Yes, but are there enough trained people available now to have at least one policeman at tens of thousands of schools at all times there are kids there? I doubt it-and the rationale was that it would prevent copycat shootings, which would mean you need them now, not the middle of next year.

44 erik_t  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:26:42pm

re: #41 Shvaughn

Marine guy who was "guarding" a school is a big fat fraud

"These were not my intentions. This was never supposed to happen."

The party of personal responsibility, where you can somehow accidentally claim you've served in the military in two different wars.

45 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:27:41pm

re: #42 BongCrodny

It's beyond hypocritical for the NRA to propose anything that would cost money when Grover Fucking Norquist sits on its Board of Directors.

This.

46 AntonSirius  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:27:49pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

And, predictably, all the wingnuts I talk to have chosen the same mantra: "You're just not going to be happy until they take all the guns away from lawful citizens."

My argument in recent days has been along the lines that what happened in the Lanza home is the exact opposite of "well-regulated", as the NRA says it was defined in the 18th-century, and therefore government action is necessary to ensure that the Second Amendment is followed.

As yet, no one's fired back a good counter-argument...

47 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:28:05pm

re: #43 calochortus

Columbine had armed guards.

Virgina Tech had armed guards.

48 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:28:25pm

re: #43 calochortus

Chris Christie on more police in schools:

“In general I don’t think that the solution to safety in schools is putting an armed guard because for it to be really effective in my view, from a law enforcement perspective, you have to have an armed guard at every classroom,” he said during an event in Newark Friday morning. “Because if you just have an armed guard at the front door then what if this guy had gone around to the side door? There’s many doors in and out of schools.”

And he said he doesn’t like the idea of having multiple armed guards inside schools. “I don’t necessarily think having an armed guard outside every classroom is conducive to a positive learning environment,” he said.

Christie gets it. Just a guy at the front door wont stop the next attack. Most schools have multiple entrances. Heck, some schools have a campus environment - not a single building. A single person can't defend the entire campus.

49 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:28:32pm

re: #47 Obdicut

Yup.

50 wilburs  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:28:43pm

So the NRA wants volunteers to guard schools

like that New Black Panther guy was guarding a polling place in Philly

51 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:28:56pm

re: #40 Kragar

I'm a dirty heathen because I can't recall the last time I did anything involving those 3.

Oh, if Christianity somehow turned out to be right, I'm going to need my asbestos swimming shorts for the Lake of Fire, for sure.

I haven't gone shooting in a long time, mainly because I've gotten into motorcycles instead. :P And I've been dragged to a couple of HS football games in the last year or so. My feelings about church, football, and guns have significantly soured in recent years.

I have a sudden image of an iconic Jesus with arms spread, holding a football in one hand and an AR-15 in the other. I think I have an art project for the weekend.

52 efuseakay  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:29:59pm

re: #14 Pawn of the Oppressor

I've heard of this horrible game where you run around making big holes with a gun in a godless science lab. It's called "Portal" and it's turning our kids away from god!

No. Wasn't that Dig Dug?

53 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:30:11pm

re: #43 calochortus

Yes, but are there enough trained people available now to have at least one policeman at tens of thousands of schools at all times there are kids there? I doubt it-and the rationale was that it would prevent copycat shootings, which would mean you need them now, not the middle of next year.

Well Alot of schools are already doing it..It's only temporary I know. We have to get the guns off the streets.

54 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:30:13pm

re: #21 jaunte

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All it takes to decide who's good and who's bad... is a gun Bruce Campbell.

FTFY.

55 erik_t  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:31:51pm

re: #48 lawhawk

Chris Christie on more police in schools:

Christie gets it. Just a guy at the front door wont stop the next attack. Most schools have multiple entrances. Heck, some schools have a campus environment - not a single building. A single person can't defend the entire campus.

My high school had thirty or forty exterior doors, at least a dozen of which were by necessity unlocked during school hours.


Hey by the way, we're banning recess right?

56 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:32:37pm

re: #47 Obdicut

Virginia Tech has more than just armed guards. They've got an entire dedicated police force, complete with their own ERT/ESU/SWAT team plus a K-9 unit.

57 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:33:01pm
58 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:33:43pm

re: #55 erik_t

My high school had thirty or forty exterior doors, at least a dozen of which were by necessity unlocked during school hours.

Hey by the way, we're banning recess right?

Here in sunny CA a lot of schools are built as separate 'wings' with each classroom opening onto an exterior corridor. There is no front door.

59 wilburs  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:34:07pm

re: #51 Pawn of the Oppressor

Oh, if Christianity somehow turned out to be right, I'm going to need my asbestos swimming shorts for the Lake of Fire, for sure.

I haven't gone shooting in a long time, mainly because I've gotten into motorcycles instead. :P And I've been dragged to a couple of HS football games in the last year or so. My feelings about church, football, and guns have significantly soured in recent years.

I have a sudden image of an iconic Jesus with arms spread, holding a football in one hand and an AR-15 in the other. I think I have an art project for the weekend.

I'm sure that Jon McNaughton has beaten you to it

60 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:34:49pm

Well, the NRA already has one volunteer, ready to lay down his life to save the lives of innocents.

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61 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:35:08pm
62 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:35:09pm

re: #58 calochortus

Same thing in Arizona. Each grade, natch, each class, gets its own building in some schools.

63 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:35:50pm

re: #59 wilburs

I'm sure that Jon McNaughton has beaten you to it

Oh shizzle, you're right. There's probably a copy hanging in Rush Limbaugh's cigar room.

But mine will be ironic! IRONIC I SAY!!!

64 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:37:08pm
65 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:38:36pm
66 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:39:44pm

MOAR GUNZ! What could possibly go wrong?

67 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:40:58pm
68 Shvaughn  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:41:25pm

More details on the fake sergeant who stood outside a school in uniform:

Pusley said he is 25 years old and dreamt of being a Marine as a child. He cracked his femur during boot camp, but made it to graduation, he said. Afterward, he was assigned to the Basic Marine Platoon at the recruit depot, where injured personnel can be assigned to provide time to heal.

Pusley was separated from the service after it was found he took unauthorized absence to attend a court hearing involving his ex-wife, he said. It’s the Corps’ version of being absent without leave, and can lead to being court-martialed. Pusley thought he had leave at the time, he said.

Marine officials said Pusley served from July 17, 2007, to April 8, 2008. His only listed duty station was MCRD San Diego.

Questions about Pusley’s service mushroomed Thursday after the website Business Insider posted a report disclosing his military service. Other news outlets and blogs quickly followed.

“CONFIRMED: The ‘Marine Vet’ Standing Guard at a California School is a Phony,” the headline on Business Insider said.

Pusley said he believes he’d still be a Marine if he hadn’t run into trouble with the court hearing, and still relies on the Corps’ core values of honor, courage and commitment. He works now as a tattoo artist, he said.

69 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:44:19pm

Armed guards and police officers all over the place are the solution to violent rampages, because armed guards and police officers never get killed.

70 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:47:12pm
71 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:49:21pm

re: #58 calochortus

You people with your multiple school building schools are just messing up this otherwise brilliant NRA argument. //

72 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:50:19pm
73 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:52:07pm

Godwining, meet Reichstagging.

74 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:52:14pm

re: #71 Bulworth

You people with your multiple school building schools are just messing up this otherwise brilliant NRA argument. //

I know! A guard for each classroom. That's all we need!

I suppose I'd better edit for: ///

75 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:54:33pm

re: #71 Bulworth

You people with your multiple school building schools are just messing up this otherwise brilliant NRA argument. //

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76 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:55:29pm

re: #73 jaunte

Godwining, meet Reichstagging.

Kinda sad how handy that word will be, and would have been already if you'd come up with it sooner!

77 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:55:32pm
78 Ian G.  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:56:21pm

So let me see if I have this straight: LaPierre is a paranoid loon who thinks that "jackbooted thugs" are coming to get him, so the solution to school shootings is putting said jackbooted thugs in places where they can come for his children? OK.

And of course, ban video games because "FREEDOM!"

And now he's for federal databases of undesirables the mentally ill when I'm sure any other sort of database, like say, serial numbers of guns, would bring out the Hitler comparisons.

79 wilburs  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:57:35pm

From the Politico story on the press conference

Held at the historic Willard Hotel, the NRA kept a tight lid on security with at least a dozen guards, security sweep and multiple security guard checkpoints before journalists could enter the room where the news conference was held.

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

Why didn't they just rely on their handguns to protect themselves?

80 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:58:03pm

re: #77 Gus

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Lots and lots of schools in that rough "Wing" design with a common front block for the gymnasium, auditorium, and offices.

81 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:58:28pm

re: #78 Ian G.

It's about protecting the guns. Will someone please think about the poor guns? /

82 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:58:50pm
83 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:58:52pm

re: #75 Gus

Image: Franklin_FirstLevelFloorPlan.jpg

OMG! "natural ventilation"? They're leaving themselves wide open. Why would anyone send their child to a school with trees and patios anyway?

84 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:59:00pm

I like how he brings up video games that kids hardly play any more. Movies that came out in the mid 90's. It's almost as someone said earlier that the NRA just dusted off their old mid 90's playbook without any revision.

85 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:59:06pm

re: #78 Ian G.

LaPierre is a paranoid loon who thinks that "jackbooted thugs" are coming to get him, so the solution to school shootings is putting said jackbooted thugs in places where they can come for his children?

To the extent that the NRA has "thought this out" they seem to be calling for a volunteer armed defense force that will be tax-free. So once again, magical thinking.

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:59:27pm

re: #81 Bulworth

It's about protecting the guns. Will someone please think about the poor guns? /

But nothing about more gun safes so that the guns feel more secure. Or are those considered too confining for them?
/

87 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:59:43pm
88 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:59:56pm

re: #79 wilburs

Despite all that security, at least 2 protesters made it through the gauntlet.

That's pretty damning.

89 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:00:07pm

re: #83 calochortus

LEEDS certified. :D

90 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:00:37pm

re: #82 Lidane

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I'd like Mr. Wilson to explain the various rebellions that the government put down with Washington as commander in chief. The idea that the Founders were anti government is blatantly false. They had a problem with a foreign power telling people what to do. That's totally different than a bunch of right wing assholes who don't like the laws being made by our legislators on a state and federal level.

91 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:00:38pm

re: #88 lawhawk

Despite all that security, at least 2 protesters made it through the gauntlet.

That's pretty damning.

And one was Code Pink as well. (Oh the horror.)

92 Acemarilllion  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:01:14pm

So let me get this straight:

We need more than 100,000 government workers to be given guns. These armed government workers somehow protect us against government tyranny?

Aren't these the same people that started frothing at the mouth when they believed Obama was going to appoint 16,000 IRS agents (which of course turned out to be untrue)?

93 wilburs  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:01:30pm

re: #88 lawhawk

It's a good thing DC doesn't have a "stand your ground" law, Wayne might have reached for his Glock

94 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:01:37pm

re: #92 Acemarilllion

So let me get this straight:

We need more than 100,000 government workers to be given guns. These armed government workers somehow protect us against government tyranny?

Aren't these the same people that started frothing at the mouth when they believed Obama was going to appoint 16,000 IRS agents (which of course turned out to be untrue)?

Shhhhhhh you're using logic.

95 A Mom Anon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:02:14pm

My son went to an "average" suburban high school, right down the street from us.

2200 students
4 buildings on almost 80 acres with a total of nearly 325,000 sq ft. That's not including the football field and it's various outbuildings(barns,storage buildings etc).

One armed cop on duty.

I spent a pretty good portion of the last 4 yrs at that school. In order to make it"secure" you'd need at LEAST a dozen cops and thousands of dollars in various updates(the campus is around 10 yrs old) beyond the hallway cameras already there. Plus,the whole school is surrounded by fairly thick woods.

The elementary schools in our districts tend to be one building, but they still hold well over 1,000 kids each and sit on huge pieces of property that again are surrounded by pretty thick wooded areas.

It would be far more costly to implement supermax security standards on the schools than it would be to just regulate the hell out of guns and ammo and all the little accessories that go with them. If we can register and licence millions of cars, trucks, buses and other modes of transportation then there is no reason the same things can't be done with firearms of any sort.

96 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:03:15pm

re: #93 wilburs

It's a good thing DC doesn't have a "stand your ground" law, Wayne might have reached for his Glock

Yep. Ol' Wayne would have felt imminently threatened by a protester with his back to Wayne in order to wave a banner at the cameras. And then shot him in the back.
//

97 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:04:09pm

re: #89 Gus

LEEDS certified. :D

Commies.

98 celticdragon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:04:26pm

re: #9 theheat

Where Michael Steele doesn't believe this is the direction the conversation with NRA was going, nobody can feign surprise this was their response.

And this situation with murdered schoolchildren isn't that different than other mass shootings, contrary to what Mr. Steele claims. It's only one of the more recent. It's also not the last.

You know, I actually held out some hope that they would propose something substantive...like getting rid of the gun show exemption or mandatory trigger locks with every weapon sold.

But I'm a hackneyed optimist I guess.

99 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:07:32pm
100 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:08:22pm

re: #98 celticdragon

You know, I actually held out some hope that they would propose something substantive...like getting rid of the gun show exemption or mandatory trigger locks with every weapon sold.

But I'm a hackneyed optimist I guess.

Agree, getting rid of the private sales loophole would have been a no brainer. Living in California I sometimes forget that in many states you can just meet someone at their house or in a parking lot and buy or sell them a gun with no paperwork at all. We also have the mandatory trigger lock law.

101 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:08:25pm

re: #98 celticdragon

Yeah, I was hopeful too, but my knowledge of the NRA was obviously hopelessly outdated. "Today's NRA" is just plain nuts.

102 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:09:00pm
103 Mattand  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:09:49pm

re: #98 celticdragon

You know, I actually held out some hope that they would propose something substantive...like getting rid of the gun show exemption or mandatory trigger locks with every weapon sold.

But I'm a hackneyed optimist I guess.

I did the same thing. I was hoping that the reason they went dark this week was that there was coup against LaPierre. The presser would be an announcement of a new, saner direction.

I'll give Wayne this much credit: citing Splatterhouse, a game that came out nearly 20 years ago and whose recent remake sank like a stone, was pure old person comedy gold.

104 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:10:09pm
105 Jolo5309  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:10:44pm

Since many of you have looked at school floor plans and realised that one armed peace office is insufficient, I think it has come to pass that we need fences around the schools, with razor wire at the top.

Then it hit me, to protect the children, swap schools with prisons! The kids are protected then.

For recess they could break rocks, make license plates during arts class.

106 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:11:16pm

Several local districts in Texas are going the armed teacher route. (video at link)

HARROLD, Texas -- There's at least one school that welcome firearms to class.

It believes nothing makes a school safer than teachers who are armed,

The Harrold Independent School District is one building with 103 students. It's 20 minutes away from the nearest sheriff's station. Superintendent David Thweatt created what he calls a "guardian plan" after the attack at Virginia Tech.

"These people that go in and do these horrible acts, they're evil. But they're not that crazy -- they always know where they are going to get resistance," Thweatt said.

The yokel right-wing is wildly enthusiastic about this idea. Our leading right-wing radio host, Robert Pratt, has seized on it as THE solution. Teachers are dedicated professionals but they are human and there are a couple of million of them in the country. It is a stressful job, and some few will inevitably react much worse than others to that stress. What happens when a mentally ill teacher goes off and starts shooting in the classroom?

107 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:13:07pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

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*head shake*

And people like Lapierre babble on about "American Exceptionalism"

108 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:13:49pm

NRA Fantasy World

A shadowy figure stands silently on a dimly lit porch, his cigarette glowing sharply, reflected in the darkened window, pondering his fate in the next few minutes.

Inside a man stares intently at the flickering screen perched on the desk, oblivious to what is about to befall him.

Home owner: "Oh yah, that's it,, that's good. Real good."

The thump of a gloved fist striking a wooden door echos through the living room.

Home owner: "Um, yah,.. who's there, uh, what, what do you want?"

Shadowy figure: "Hardened criminal. I'd like to come in and violate you repeatedly and steal some valuables."

Home owner: "Oh, yah, ... no problem. Just give me a minute to wash up. I was masturbating to Internet porn and my hands are a bit messy."

Shadowy figure: "All right, but don't take to long, I have to pick the wife up in an hour, and I don't want to listen to her bitch about me being late all night."

Home owner: "Ha, ha, I hear ya. Um, I'll be right back.

Rapid fading footsteps, the creak of an old door, cabinet drawers opening violently and then slamming shut, then finally the pleased grunt of discovery.

Home owner: 'Found it.', 'I knew I'd need this someday.', 'Oh shit, a trigger lock.', 'Ah right, the key's right there.', 'Bullets, where did I put the damn bullets?', 'Sock drawer, they must be in my sock drawer.', 'Yup, just where I put them.'

Footsteps, this time slow, measured and purposeful.

Home owner: "OK, I think we're good, but can you come in the back way, we have an area there where you can take off your boots?"

Shadowy figure:"Yah sure."
Shadowy figure: 'Frikken idiots and their clean floors'.

Home owner: 'Oh, shit, do I have the safety off? Yup. OK. Good.' 'I guess I should stand over here.'

The rattle of a fist meeting aluminum disturbs the seemingly interminable silent wait.

Home owner: "OK, hang on a second, I forgot to turn the light on. Come on in."

The normally heard and forgotten sound of the back door opening and closing, hammers the mind of the home owner pulling him from his fear fuelled incoherent thoughts.

Shadowy figure: "Can we get this over with already, I don't have all day."

Home owner: "Ah ha, I have a gun pointed at your head, and if you move I'll shoot you in the ear!"

Shadowy figure: 'Oh Crap, not this again!'
Shadowy figure: "Ya got me. Ewww, couldn't you like have put some pants on?"
Shadowy figure: "Whatever, ... how about we put this off to another day? Your neighbour is gone right now, and I think I can break in easy enough. I'm sure he has a few things I can steal, ... I'll miss out on violating him, but hey, sometimes you have to make sacrifices"

Home owner: "Oh! Uh, That sounds OK I uh, I guess. Um, I think me and the wife will be gone, ah, next Wednesday. I can leave the light on for you." "Or I, ah, I can give you my card and you can call before you come."

Shadowy figure: "Bloody hell, look at the time. It's been fun but I have to run. I'll be back Wednesday."

Home owner: "Can I shoot at you as you leave? Just one shot?"

Shadowy figure: "That would really screw my day, so I'd rather you didn't."

Home owner: "yah, sure,... OK, yah. Oh, before you take off, I don't think the neighbour wants his, ... his dog let out at night, so you might want to go in a window."

109 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:15:30pm

re: #106 Shiplord Kirel

Several local districts in Texas are going the armed teacher route. (video at link)

The yokel right-wing is wildly enthusiastic about this idea. Our leading right-wing radio host, Robert Pratt, has seized on it as THE solution. Teachers are dedicated professionals but they are human and there are a couple of million of them in the country. It is a stressful job, and some few will inevitably react much worse than others to that stress. What happens when a mentally ill teacher goes off and starts shooting in the classroom?

Heck the low pay and high stress drive a lot of good people from the profession. It's intense, demanding work.

110 efuseakay  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:18:05pm

re: #85 jaunte

To the extent that the NRA has "thought this out" they seem to be calling for a volunteer armed defense force that will be tax-free. So once again, magical thinking.

"Are you mentally stable?"

"Why yes, I am. *strokes gun*"

"You may enter the school."

111 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:18:34pm

If you don't recognize the name, Cliff Bleszinski's credits include Unreal, Bulletstorm, and Gears of War.

112 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:19:24pm

I'm waiting for the NRA to start blaming Comics next. That and Communism.

113 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:19:44pm

Captain Mark Kelly responds to the NRA press conference:

Gabby and I are extremely disappointed by the NRA's defiant and delayed response to the massacre of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School. The NRA could have chosen to be a voice for the vast majority of its own members who want common sense, reasonable safeguards on deadly firearms, but instead it chose to defend extreme pro-gun positions that aren't even popular among the law abiding gun owners it represents. Today, the NRA chose narrow partisan concerns over the safety of our families and communities. The time for this kind of extreme rhetoric is over. We must have a real conversation about preventing gun violence, because when it comes to protecting our children, families, and neighbors, we can't wait any longer.

114 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:20:41pm
115 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:21:26pm

re: #114 Lidane

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Ha.

116 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:21:43pm

Pool halls and rock and roll music.

117 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:21:49pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel

Captain Mark Kelly responds to the NRA press conference:

Well said, Mr. Kelly.

118 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:22:13pm

re: #116 Gus

Pool halls and rock and roll music.

Bikers. Those damn kids look up to that Marlon Brando like he's some kind of God.

119 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:22:14pm

re: #106 Shiplord Kirel

My 3rd grade teacher was mentally unstable. Not violent, but totally unable to control a classroom full of kids*. Very poor judgement about appropriate activities-she wanted to teach us to knit. Now, I knit and it is a generally peaceful activity, but for a teacher who can't control her class to ask two dozen 8 year olds to bring what are essentially pointy sticks to class.? I understand that when my mom called the principal to discuss this plan with him, his response was "oh my god..."
So, no, I don't think arming Mrs. G would have been helpful.

*eta: not being able to control kids doesn't make you mentally unstable, I'm just not boring you with the details.

120 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:23:20pm

LaPierre’s Remarks:

121 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:23:20pm
122 Jaerik  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:25:10pm

Because law enforcement officers have never accidentally shot a child because they misinterpreted a perceived threat.

Sorry... not a swipe at law enforcement. Tons of respect. Accidents happen, because we're human.

...but that's also kind of my point.

123 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:25:26pm

Okay. Let's say we give teachers the right to pack heat in schools. Let's look at what could possibly happen.

We have statistics that show that a significant number of student assaults on teachers occur every year.

The report indicated that no type of public school was immune from student threats and attacks on teachers. Public-school students threatened to injure 106,200 teachers (12.1 percent of the teachers) in city schools, 83,700 teachers (7.0 percent) in suburban schools, 36,300 (7.8 percent) in town school and 50,000 (5.9 percent) in rural schools.

Public school students physically attacked 50,000 teachers (5.7 percent of the teachers) in city schools, 48,900 teachers (4.1 percent) in suburban schools, 19,200 students (4.1 percent) in town schools, and 27,000 teachers (3.2 percent) in rural schools.

Female teachers were more likely than male teachers to be physically attacked by a student. 119,500 female teachers (or 4.1 percent the teachers) were physically attacked by a student during the school year, while 34,900 male teachers (or 3.7 percent) were physically attacked by a student.

There's also a number of teacher assaults on students.

How many of them could potentially escalate into a deadly confrontation with the introduction of firearms into the mix. Not good for anyone in that classroom situation, that's for sure.

124 celticdragon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:26:31pm

re: #106 Shiplord Kirel

Several local districts in Texas are going the armed teacher route. (video at link)

The yokel right-wing is wildly enthusiastic about this idea. Our leading right-wing radio host, Robert Pratt, has seized on it as THE solution. Teachers are dedicated professionals but they are human and there are a couple of million of them in the country. It is a stressful job, and some few will inevitably react much worse than others to that stress. What happens when a mentally ill teacher goes off and starts shooting in the classroom?

Some of the really, really out there law enforcement guys at PoliceOne are proposing something even more fucking crazy:

We need Minutemen to come forward and guard our lambs. Unfortunately, the noble concept of a militia has been bastardized by right-wing fringe groups adopting that name in the ‘80s and ‘90s, but we must overlook them.

Webster defines a militia as: “an organization of citizens with limited military training who are available for emergency service, usually for local defense.” I suggest we organize Minutemen at the state and local level, using these individuals to put an armed protector (in plain clothes with concealed weapons) in every school and on every bus.

The volunteer Minutemen would be required to train periodically — at least a few days each year. Minutemen would, of course, need to be screened to keep out both those of evil intent and ill-equipped “wannabes.” We already have the perfect screening process in place in every state, the background check system we use to hire police and issue concealed weapon permits.

Minutemen must be exempted from every geographic restriction placed on those who currently carry concealed weapons. Virtually every mass killing in recent memory has occurred in a “gun-free zone.” We must authorize our Minutemen to carry everywhere, especially in gun-free zones.

I am all for the notion of returning a volunteer civilian militia back to it's original roots of being a community volunteer organization with mandatory muster and training (it would be something a bit similar to citizen patrols today but with limited arrest powers and could be summoned by the governor in an emergency).

But this? Calling up potentially dozens of people...military vets and others...to confuse an active shooter scenario in a school?

Really?

125 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:26:31pm

Unfortunate Reality

A shadowy figure stands silently on a dimly lit porch, cigarette glow reflecting sharply in the darkened window, pondering his fate in the next few minutes.

Inside a man stares intently at the flickering screen perched on the desk, oblivious to what is about to befall him.

A boot hits the door.

Again, the boot meets door, slamming the door hard against the wall.

The darkness enters forcefully, swiftly.

The man looks up, shocked, a pinprick of light blasting fear into his blood stream. He sees the eyes of the intruder. Then nothing.

126 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:27:00pm
127 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:27:10pm

Hoft would be first to complain that it's a big government answer and would be a sop to unions or something along those lines.

It completely misses the point that firearms are a problem to all of society, and not just to schools. Calling for mental health databases and armed campuses does nothing to actually reduce the threat posed by folks who should not have firearms in the first place.

128 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:28:48pm

The biggest threat to the Second Amendment and responsible gun ownership?

Wayne LaPierre and the NRA's insane conspiracy theories and fantasy ideology. They are not breaking the law but they are an obvious menace to public safety. The NRA is hellbent on conflating itself with gun ownership. If so, then gun ownership will equal batshit crazy in the public mind.

129 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:29:08pm

re: #122 Jaerik

Because law enforcement officers have never accidentally shot a child because they misinterpreted a perceived threat.

Sorry... not a swipe at law enforcement. Tons of respect. Accidents happen, because we're human.

...but that's also kind of my point.

Take those accidents and throw in a bunch of armed volunteer civilians in every school.

That's the NRA's idiocy in a nutshell.

130 wilburs  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:29:14pm

re: #122 Jaerik

That's a very valid point, even people with extensive training have difficulty making the right decision, now you want to put people whose only training is shooting at empty beer cans in that position

131 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:37:54pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

If so, then gun ownership will equal batshit crazy in the public mind.

Will equal? I won't say that ship has sailed but the tugboat has arrived and the lines tied....

132 efuseakay  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:39:36pm

Kind of ironic how the NRA types want to put guns in the hands of God-hating believers in evolution. That shows you to what depths they will plunge just so they can have deadly penis-extensions.

133 Achilles Tang  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:49:35pm

re: #127 lawhawk

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Hoft would be first to complain that it's a big government answer and would be a sop to unions or something along those lines.

It completely misses the point that firearms are a problem to all of society, and not just to schools. Calling for mental health databases and armed campuses does nothing to actually reduce the threat posed by folks who should not have firearms in the first place.

My numbers are probably low, but the USA has at least 10 times the gun murder rate of any western country, and probably more than most elsewhere. The USA also has many more guns per person than any other country, not to mention handguns and military weapons that most other countries don't allow at all.

So, logically the problem must be that the USA has far more insane or very very angry people than other countries and needs more guns to compensate, right?

134 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:53:36pm

re: #131 Political Atheist

Will equal? I won't say that ship has sailed but the tugboat has arrived and the lines tied....

I reject that. Any responsible person can see that there is a lot of distance between the NRA's positions and a blanket prohibition on firearms. The NRA does everything possible to obscure and confuse this however.

135 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:07:30pm

re: #134 Shiplord Kirel

I reject that. Any responsible person can see that there is a lot of distance between the NRA's positions and a blanket prohibition on firearms. The NRA does everything possible to obscure and confuse this however.

Reasonable people that get pissed off at the NRA extremism may well harden their own positions in response. The more I know about the NRA and its advocacy, the more likely I am to support sweeping bans. This is actually what the NRA wants, since its leadership is fighting part of the culture wars, and could not possibly care less about any rational issues relating to gun ownership.

For the NRA leadership, guns themselves are pretty much irrelevant. The point of their activity is to drive the narrative that civilization is failing, and that the only policies to consider in the face of this disaster are primitive, irrational and fear-driven (i.e., from the movement conservative playbook). Guns are merely the medium through which this message is being played.

136 allegro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:42:12pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

For the NRA leadership, guns themselves are pretty much irrelevant. The point of their activity is to drive the narrative that civilization is failing, and that the only policies to consider in the face of this disaster are primitive, irrational and fear-driven (i.e., from the movement conservative playbook). Guns are merely the medium through which this message is being played. is the money they're making off of the fear.

ft

137 Pacific moderate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:50:53pm

Well, regarding "law-abiding gun owners", as far as I'm aware, both Adam and Nancy Lanza were law-abiding before October 14. And as for "a good guy with a gun" the first person to die that day was the ostensible "good guy", namely the gun owner Nancy Lanza who presumably was one of those law-abiding gun owners using a semi-automatic weapon for "protection".

138 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:02:36pm

re: #119 calochortus

My 3rd grade teacher was mentally unstable. Not violent, but totally unable to control a classroom full of kids*. Very poor judgement about appropriate activities-she wanted to teach us to knit. Now, I knit and it is a generally peaceful activity, but for a teacher who can't control her class to ask two dozen 8 year olds to bring what are essentially pointy sticks to class.? I understand that when my mom called the principal to discuss this plan with him, his response was "oh my god..."
So, no, I don't think arming Mrs. G would have been helpful.

*eta: not being able to control kids doesn't make you mentally unstable, I'm just not boring you with the details.

I've been a teacher for 25+ years. I've worked with one or two people who probably shouldn't be near any firearms. It's not about their mental health. It's more about their judgment in times of stress.

And I briefly had a colleague like your 3rd grade teacher. She was a little ... weird.

139 smirking  Sat, Dec 22, 2012 1:14:28am

re: #78 Ian G.

While they're busy banning video games that give people violent ideas, maybe they should also propose banning Fox News and any other kind of media that incite people who have violent tendencies to act upon them?

I've also always wondered that if giving everyone guns means we live in a safer world, does that also mean that every country should have nuclear arms? It makes sense according to that logic doesn't it? Everyone should have nukes and we'd all end up singing Kumbaya while we're tossing back some beers while dropping some test nukes on some remote island test bombing range.


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