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1 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:14:03pm

He might be less than kind..

2 A Mom Anon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:16:48pm

re: #1 Decatur Deb

I certainly hope so. There's a time for kindness, this ain't it.

3 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:17:16pm

re: #1 Decatur Deb

He might be less than kind..

Still being delayed.. I hope to hear some positive vibs tonight

4 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:17:24pm

While we wait.

5 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:17:46pm

After yesterday's Republican circus, I have to admit I'm looking to forward to this one.

6 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:18:05pm

Hoping for a smiting...

7 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:23:35pm
8 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:25:42pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

#ReasonsObamaIsLate

Heh, I like the Mortal Kombat one.

9 engineer cat  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:26:48pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

#ReasonsObamaIsLate

fiscal cliff wants to 'spend more time with family', trying to get fiscal george to step in and take over

10 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:27:05pm

re: #4 Gus

Have you stopped hitting your spouse? /

11 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:27:44pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

#ReasonsObamaIsLate

In the Army we said: "The General is never late." Think that holds here, too.

12 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:28:26pm

Why didn't he wait to make his remarks until I get off work? He knows I can't get streaming audio here.

13 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:29:22pm
14 engineer cat  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:30:26pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

#ReasonsObamaIsLate

returning from super secret emergency trip to the seventeenth dimension to get the fiscal cliff solution from the super advanced alpha centuris that's how smart he is

15 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:34:28pm

We have ignition.

16 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:34:29pm

Oh, is Invisible Obama making an initial statement?

17 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:37:03pm

I got no sound. Is he doing this in mime? Where's Bloomberg's face-dancer?

18 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:37:06pm

Ugh, the video feed is screwed up. No audio, and it looks like they missed most of it.

19 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:37:11pm

And since Obama is talking about fiscal matters the first three reporter questions will obviously be about guns.

20 recusancy  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:41:40pm

He's saying everybody should go home and get drunk

21 engineer cat  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:42:08pm

his tone reminds me of fred macmurray having a heart to heart talk with the beaver

"well, beav, sometimes grownups have problems that kids don't understand"

22 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:42:21pm

re: #20 recusancy

He's saying everybody should go home and get drunk

Obvious sign he believes in America.

23 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:46:02pm
24 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:51:57pm

Very direct and to the point. He's trying his best to get something done, and the GOP is just looking worse and worse without him actually having to come right out and slam them. Very class, very presidential, and you can bet that the rw blogs are going to go nuts anyway.

25 AntonSirius  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:54:03pm

re: #9 engineer cat

fiscal cliff wants to 'spend more time with family', trying to get fiscal george to step in and take over

Going that route and not turning it into a Cliff Huxtable joke is just wrong.

26 researchok  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:54:38pm

re: #24 Randall Gross

Obama doesn't even have to give them the rope.

The GOP bring their own.

27 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:55:36pm
28 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:58:04pm

I hear the NRA wants their own social transformation book in classrooms:

"Rules for Reticles"

29 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:58:56pm

Here's the youtube link if you want to paste it in above:

30 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:59:32pm

On Topic: I'm glad Obama is still projecting optimism. I just wish an honest outbreak of sanity would occur in the Republican Party.

Off Topic: Speaking of Hopeless Optimism, I'm on vacation freezing up in Michigan, Going to watch the Falcons versus the Lions Saturday night. (Let's wrap home field up!) and visiting S.O. Relatives then going up to Houghton to REALLY freeze.

But I wanted to take a minute to simply say, I was wrong the other day. Utterly and totally wrong about the NRA, not only did they NOT come with a rational response, but they're busy doubling down on trying to do anything BUT rational solutions. I really was hoping for some sanity on this one. But I guess that was asking too much. :(

Take care everyone and I hope your holidays are happy and enjoyable, be it 80 degrees or 8 degrees outside.

31 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:59:52pm

re: #21 engineer cat

his tone reminds me of fred macmurray having a heart to heart talk with the beaver

"well, beav, sometimes grownups have problems that kids don't understand"

Was that in "Leave It To My Three Sons"?

32 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:02:46pm

Well, having missed the President statement, I think its safe to say that conservatives will be calling for blood over it.

33 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:04:05pm
34 wilburs  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:07:05pm

Just saw McConnell on Fox:

"It's the Presidents job to do our job"

35 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:08:15pm

Enjoy your $8 a gallon milk folks. You can thank the GOP

Higher prices would be based on what dairy farm production costs were in 1949, when milk production was almost all done by hand. Because of adjustments for inflation and other technical formulas, the government would be forced by law to buy milk at roughly twice the current market prices to maintain a stable milk market.

But the market would be anything but stable. Farmers, at first, would experience a financial windfall as they rushed to sell dairy products to the government at higher prices than those they would get on the commercial market. Then the prices customers pay at the supermarket would surge as shortages developed and fewer gallons of milk were available for consumers and for manufacturers of products like cheese and butter.

For dairy farmers like Dean Norton in upstate New York, who are struggling with high feed costs caused by this summer’s drought, a jump in prices would be welcomed.

“But it would be short-term euphoria followed by a long hangover that would be difficult for us to recover from,” said Mr. Norton, who is president of the New York Farm Bureau. “I don’t think customers and food processors are going to pay double what they are paying now for dairy products.”

The Senate passed a farm bill in July. A House version of the bill made it out of committee, but House leaders have yet to bring its version to the floor.

36 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:08:37pm

re: #34 wilburs

Just saw McConnell on Fox:

"It's the Presidents job to do our job"

Seriously? It's the President's job to do the Legislative branch's job?

37 wilburs  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:10:00pm

re: #36 Lidane

That's exactly what he said

38 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:11:11pm

Tea party preacher: Sandy Hook massacre orchestrated to pass U.N. arms treaty

One of former Senator Rick Santorum’s (R-PA) new co-workers at conspiracy website World Net Daily insisted this week that the U.S. government orchestrated the Sandy Hook Elementary school massacre in order to support the United Nation’s Small Arms Treaty.

Although he didn’t present any concrete evidence to support his allegation, the heavy metal drummer, ordained minister and tea party enthusiast Bradlee Dean began his essay by quoting famed Nazi Dr. Josef Mengele.

Then he noted that the Sandy Hook shootings happened “just days after Sen. Rand Paul [R-KY] sent out an alert that the U.N. was set to pass the final version of the Small Arms Treaty, supported by Obama the day after the election.”

After misstating the treaty’s provisions by claiming it would outlaw all semi-automatic rifles, Dean added that the mass murders in Aurora, Colorado “also happened to coincide with the same time as negotiations of the U.N. Small Arms Treaty.”

39 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:11:32pm

re: #33 Lidane

[Embedded content]

It was a coded message!

Another story is that the term derived from egg and grog, a common Colonial term used for the drink made with rum. Eventually, that term was shortened to egg'n'grog, then eggnog.

40 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:12:12pm

re: #38 Kragar

Tea party preacher: Sandy Hook massacre orchestrated to pass U.N. arms treaty

Yes, that's it, 20 innocent children were killed because of a UN plot to pass an arms treaty. Makes perfect sense.

*sigh*

41 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:12:32pm

Moonbat vs. wingnut violence:

Moonbat: Chubby bearded guy and friends get drunk rather than high, launch insurrection, try to heave molotov cocktails at police.
Result: 3 moonbats under arrest in burn ward, one car torched.

Wingnut: Gets drunk, hears about creeping shariah, grabs assault rifle.
Result: 23 dead at local mosque, shooter killed by SWAT team.

42 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:13:35pm

#WhistlingPastGunViolenceCemetery - This week 97 people killed by firearms according to @GunDeaths.

[Link: www.slate.com...]

43 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:18:12pm

re: #37 wilburs

That's exactly what he said

Someone might want to show this to the GOP:

Or this:

44 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:26:11pm

Updated the post above to add the recording of Obama's statement from YouTube.

45 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:27:14pm

re: #38 Kragar

Tea party preacher: Sandy Hook massacre orchestrated to pass U.N. arms treaty

You know, these are the folks that scream that loudest about their right to keep and bear arms. These are also, ironically enough, the same people who scream "We need better mental health care to keep wackos from getting guns".

They're paranoid, with delusions of persecution, issues of projection, irrationality, and seeing patterns where none exist.

These folks should be very careful what they wish for. When Mr LaPierre spoke of a "national mental-health database", I couldn't help but think the NRA's mailing list would largely fill that database.

46 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:37:30pm

World Nut Daily has named Ron Paul "Man of the Decade." (Freep re-post)

47 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:38:16pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel

World Nut Daily has named Ron Paul "Man of the Decade." (Freep re-post)

In 2012? So they measure from 2002-2012? Who does that?

48 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:38:52pm

re: #47 Kragar

In 2012? So they measure from 2002-2012? Who does that?

No, from 2012 to 2022.

49 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:43:49pm

re: #48 Varek Raith

No, from 2012 to 2022.

Well, that makes a lot more sen...

Wait a fucking minute.

50 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:44:53pm

And now, The Thrift Shop Song

51 lostlakehiker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:53:15pm

re: #24 Randall Gross

Very direct and to the point. He's trying his best to get something done, and the GOP is just looking worse and worse without him actually having to come right out and slam them. Very class, very presidential, and you can bet that the rw blogs are going to go nuts anyway.

He's giving Republicans every chance to show some sense on this issue. The basic fact is that he was reelected. In the give-and-take of democracy, Republicans have to show some give. The other fact, that Republicans held on to a majority in the House, cannot be the sole ground on which public policy is now made. That's ludicrous.

The president is also playing his cards with cool precision. No hissy fit here. If House Republicans break the deal by leaving Boehner high and dry, (and Boehner is no RINO; he can't be cast as a leftist) then the blame will fall squarely on House Republicans. It will be clear to all that these Republicans are willing to play "chicken" with the national economy.

My guess and hope is that Obama is correct that a deal is still genuinely possible and can be reached. All it would take would be a relative handful of Republican defections to the Boehner camp from the loony camp.

Where-ever one stands on the question of whose ideas are best, what has to be clear to all is that neither side is going to get just what it wants, and that somewhere, anywhere, in the middle is better than over the cliff.

52 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:55:46pm

re: #51 lostlakehiker

That's reasonable, but note that every blog right of Freep has Boehner singing the Internationale in his sleep.

53 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:56:08pm

You daily Fark hilarious headline:

Pull back the curtain and look at Boehner's final days before Cantor and the Tea Partiers stab him on the steps of the House 44 times, shouting "death to Oompa Loompas"

54 lostlakehiker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:58:01pm

re: #35 Kragar

Enjoy your $8 a gallon milk folks. You can thank the GOP

The real reason milk prices are likely to rise has little to do with the machinery of farm bills. It has to do with the drought and with the underlying climate change. No grass, no contented cows. Feed prices are up because grass yield is down. To some extent, substitution is possible, but corn yields are down too. If many farmers switched to sorghum, that would help, but so far, not many have embraced pessimism to the degree they need to.

Now we'll see if the drought extends into next year. So far, it's right on track, unfortunately.

55 engineer cat  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:01:15pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

Was that in "Leave It To My Three Sons"?

in my mind it's all one big suburb i guess!

hi mom hi dad where's the brownies??

56 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:04:39pm
57 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:08:22pm

The NRA has already created a slickly packaged program to put guns in schools, complete with its own nifty logo: The National School Shield.

National School Shield logo

Former Congressman Asa Hutchinson has apparently been put in charge of this effort: Hutchinson's speech today.

One of the first responsibilities I learned at Homeland Security was the importance of protecting our nation’s
critical infrastructure. And there is nothing more critical to our nation’s well being than our children’s safety.
They are this country’s future and her most precious resource.
We all understand that our children should be safe in school But it is also essential that the parents have
confidence in that safety. As a result of the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, that confidence has been shattered.
Assurance of school safety must be restored with a sense of urgency.
That is why I am grateful that the NRA has asked me to lead a team of security experts to assist our schools, parents
and communities.
I took this assignment on one condition: That my team of experts will be independent and will be guided solely by
what are the best security solutions for the safety of our children while at school.

More at link

58 engineer cat  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:13:09pm

Well, it turns out that the Mayans are the worst ever

it ain't ovah till it's ovah

59 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:15:18pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel

The NRA has already created a slickly packaged program to put guns in schools, complete with its own nifty logo: The National School Shield.

National School Shield logo

Former Congressman Asa Hutchinson has apparently been put in charge of this effort: Hutchinson's speech today.

More at link

Logo looks like a sign for a motel chain. I was expecting something more plasma-domey.

Image: DARPA-to-develop-Plasma-Acoustic-Shield-System.jpg

60 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:18:19pm
61 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:21:11pm
62 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:37:08pm
A Tucson woman was shot and killed Thursday night by a man against whom she had a restraining order.

Ashley Hicks, 23, was shot multiple times in the parking lot of an apartment complex at 160 N. Pantano Road just before 10:30 p.m., said Sgt. Chris Widmer, spokesman for the Tucson Police Department. She was taken to a local hospital where she died.

“She arrived at that complex last night with some friends and when they got there the suspect was waiting for her,” Widmer said.

After shooting Hicks, Joseph Leroy Francis, 23, drove to the the Marana home of the woman’s parents. Francis told them he killed their daughter, and left, police said.

[...]

Then he shot himself.

63 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:38:30pm

Think what got me wasn't the idea of armed guards. It was asking for volunteers to start things off. Because apparently what we need are an army of Dirty Harry wannabes to protect our kids.

64 Skip Intro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:39:17pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel

That is why I am grateful that the NRA has asked me to lead a team of security experts to assist our schools, parents
and communities.

I see. So this pompous ass thinks we're all looking to him and the NRA for a solution.

Fuck you, Asa. Fuck you, NRA. From the logo I just saw, it looks to me like the NRA was just waiting for an event like this to capitalize on.

65 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:45:00pm

The NRA's "school shield" plan ranks somewhere between "nuclear powered dune buggies" and "driving drunk in Saudi Arabia" on my list of worst ideas ever.

66 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:49:02pm
67 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:52:14pm

re: #64 Skip Intro

I see. So this pompous ass thinks we're all looking to him and the NRA for a solution.

Fuck you, Asa. Fuck you, NRA. From the logo I just saw, it looks to me like the NRA was just waiting for an event like this to capitalize on.

Well, the NRA could easily plan ahead. It is not as though no further shootings are to be expected.

They defend policies that almost certainly make mass shootings more likely and more deadly, and then respond in the aftermath with radioactively RW policy proposals, in the hopes that a stunned nation will uncritically swallow the poison.

If we seriously need armed guards in any location where 3 or more children may be present. we may as well just give up on the entire idea of civilization. That nihilism is what a big chunk of the RW leadership wants to encourage.

68 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:08:49pm

Freepers are going ballistic over some remarks today by NY Governor Cuomo that included the words "confiscation could be an option." It's pretty obvious the governor was referring to assault weapons in the context of registration or mandatory sale to the state, with confiscation as an alternative for failure to comply. Context means nothing to freepers, however. (This is often the case with Biblical literalists, btw.)

Confiscation, eh? I’m sure they’ll get the bullets first.

(Remember, "they" are the New York State Police. What happened to "support your local police?")

So in other words, the State of New York is going to go house to house searching for guns.......hum.
I am pretty sure the British tried that once.

(Er, no, freeper ass, that is not what he proposed.)

The left wants a civil war, they are gonna get it. I dare them to try to enter the home of gun owners and make them give up their guns I double dog dare them

I double dog dare you to act tough somewhere besides the internet.

Gun confiscation will lead to a third Obama term.

(Doesn't say how.)

Anybody living under a socialist dictatorship gets everything they deserve, and NY is a socialist dictatorship.

(Two words: "Wall Street")

This is what the left wants, to disarm us..not just “Ban automatic weapons” PLEASE, that is NOT their intention, their intention is to confiscate ALL OF OUR WEAPONS..pistols, shotguns, you name it they want it.

69 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:13:20pm

Maybe I was wrong to dismiss those end of the world prophecies: The world is still here, but a large part of the national population has become violently insane. This really is looking like a zombie apocalypse.

70 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:13:59pm

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel

Of course, this is a self-fulfilling prophesy.

In fact, I would like to confiscate the weapons of anyone deranged enough to write that screed. This seems like simple common sense to me.

As a starter step, can we start agitating to have "US gun nut" put into the next edition of the DSM? It certainly seems better defined than some real clinical syndromes.

71 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:16:59pm

Question from Earlier.

Should SpySweeper be kept?

Right now the uninstalls are:

Medieval II (The 2nd install was bungled, and it doesn't quite work properly.)
McAfee (Near Useless Clutter).

72 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:19:05pm

re: #8 dragonfire1981

Heh, I like the Mortal Kombat one.

You mean the Mortal Kombat sequence where the House GOP does this:

73 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:22:49pm

I remember what it was like coming home from Vietnam: I had a month's leave, which meant mom's cooking, a chance to meet some girls and wear civilian clothes and drink a little beer, and not having to get up early or CLEAN MY GODDAMNED M-16 EVERY DAY.

I cannot comprehend the mindset of someone for whom a similar (but actually inferior) weapon is a treasured possession and a personal icon.

74 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:25:14pm

re: #71 ProMayaLiberal

Question from Earlier.

Should SpySweeper be kept?

Right now the uninstalls are:

Medieval II (The 2nd install was bungled, and it doesn't quite work properly.)
McAfee (Near Useless Clutter).

Just use the free MS security stuff. Don't bother with the other stuff. (I do not believe I am really reccing MS product but for Windows they do know it best.)

75 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:26:59pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel

I remember what it was like coming home from Vietnam: I had a month's leave, which meant mom's cooking, a chance to meet some girls and wear civilian clothes and drink a little beer, and not having to get up early or CLEAN MY GODDAMNED M-16 EVERY DAY.

I cannot comprehend the mindset of someone for whom a similar (but actually inferior) weapon is a treasured possession and a personal icon.

Look at the bright side - you might have been a tanker in which case you'd had to clean a canon and two or three machine guns daily as well ;)

76 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:27:13pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel

I remember what it was like coming home from Vietnam: I had a month's leave, which meant mom's cooking, a chance to meet some girls and wear civilian clothes and drink a little beer, and not having to get up early or CLEAN MY GODDAMNED M-16 EVERY DAY.

I cannot comprehend the mindset of someone for whom a similar (but actually inferior) weapon is a treasured possession and a personal icon.

Because it's the only thing that can truly fill their cold, black souls, especially with all of the incidents that have involved "black rifles" (guns that, just like with handguns, have one true purpose for being: to kill people).

77 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:29:27pm

re: #74 William Barnett-Lewis

Just use the free MS security stuff. Don't bother with the other stuff. (I do not believe I am really reccing MS product but for Windows they do know it best.)

I can't recommend MSE in good conscience anymore at this time; their detection rates have apparently been abysmal with the AV test houses here over the past few months; I'm currently using Avast (the free version) for my AV.

78 wilburs  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:31:23pm

re: #77 TedStriker

I can't recommend MSE in good conscience anymore at this time; their detection rates have apparently been abysmal with the AV test houses here over the past few months; I'm currently using Avast (the free version) for my AV.

ditto

Avast

79 uncah91  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:34:44pm

re: #78 wilburs

MalwareBytes is also a very good product, and inexpensive as well.

80 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:34:48pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel

I remember what it was like coming home from Vietnam: I had a month's leave, which meant mom's cooking, a chance to meet some girls and wear civilian clothes and drink a little beer, and not having to get up early or CLEAN MY GODDAMNED M-16 EVERY DAY.

I cannot comprehend the mindset of someone for whom a similar (but actually inferior) weapon is a treasured possession and a personal icon.

Inferior compared to the AKM? I'd dispute that. It has its good points that must be measured:

The AR-15/M16 is a good bit more accurate than an AKM, average for average.

The AR is also more adaptable, taking a broader range of accessories and it can accommodate caliber changes simply by changing parts, things the AK cannot do.

ARs are also better ergonomically in the great majority of cases, and they always have a better fire selector/safety lever than does the AK.

81 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:35:20pm

re: #79 uncah91

MalwareBytes is also a very good product, and inexpensive as well.

Concur. I've had nothing but good experiences with it.

82 uncah91  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:37:35pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

I finally switched to it (and paid for it) after I kept using the free version to clean the things that all the other products let through.

83 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:48:39pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

Inferior compared to the AKM? I'd dispute that. It has its good points that must be measured:

The AR-15/M16 is a good bit more accurate than an AKM, average for average.

The AR is also more adaptable, taking a broader range of accessories and it can accommodate caliber changes simply by changing parts, things the AK cannot do.

ARs are also better ergonomically in the great majority of cases, and they always have a better fire selector/safety lever than does the AK.

I didn't mention the AKM, I meant in comparison to military issue M-16s with the burst fire or (back in the day) full-auto option.

84 steve_davis  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:54:13pm

re: #21 engineer cat

his tone reminds me of fred macmurray having a heart to heart talk with the beaver

"well, beav, sometimes grownups have problems that kids don't understand"

one of fred macmurray's problems in my three sons was that he did not, in fact, have nearly enough heart-to-heart talks with beavers of any variety.

85 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:10:10pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel

I didn't mention the AKM, I meant in comparison to military issue M-16s with the burst fire or (back in the day) full-auto option.

I thought that was what the standard issue was. What were you carrying?

86 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:14:58pm

re: #84 steve_davis

one of fred macmurray's problems in my three sons was that he did not, in fact, have nearly enough heart-to-heart talks with beavers of any variety.

Yeah, but you know uncle Charlie would be out being a hound once the boys had gone to bed.

87 Bubblehead II  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:24:07pm

Night Lizards.


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The New York legislature had just failed to pass an incremental reform to the state's strict anti-abortion law, leaving the status quo in place. At that time, deaths resulting from illegal abortions accounted for 42 percent of New York ...

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Rightwingconspirator
Blackmores Night-Christmas Music Olde And New At The Same Time
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Lumberhead
A History of Thugs
Civilization is imperiled. Demonic dark-skinned criminals exult in seizing property and security. Only a vanguard of brave uniformed officers can take them off the streets and restore order. It is 1835, and whites are finally confronting what Mark Twain ...

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Romantic Heretic
It’s Beginning To Feel A Lot Like Christmas
As always, Fairytale of New York makes me realize what time of the year it is.

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Dark_Falcon
The College Rape Overcorrection
This is the article I promised to post this morning. The quoted passage is from the second section, "2. An Overcorrection". We are told that one of the most dangerous places for a young woman in America today is a ...

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cinesimon
Charles Barkley and the Plague of ‘Unintelligent’ Blacks
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 Frank says:

My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.