2 | A Mom Anon Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:16:48pm |
re: #1 Decatur Deb
I certainly hope so. There's a time for kindness, this ain't it.
3 | A Man for all Seasons Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:17:16pm |
re: #1 Decatur Deb
He might be less than kind..
Still being delayed.. I hope to hear some positive vibs tonight
4 | Gus Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:17:24pm |
While we wait.
#DumbTweet of the day: @danriehl wonders why liberals "love money and hate our children??" slnm.us/INKAcUy— Salon.com (@Salon) December 21, 2012
5 | Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:17:46pm |
After yesterday's Republican circus, I have to admit I'm looking to forward to this one.
7 | Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:23:35pm |
8 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:25:42pm |
9 | engineer cat Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:26:48pm |
re: #7 Charles Johnson
fiscal cliff wants to 'spend more time with family', trying to get fiscal george to step in and take over
11 | Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:27:44pm |
re: #7 Charles Johnson
In the Army we said: "The General is never late." Think that holds here, too.
12 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:28:26pm |
Why didn't he wait to make his remarks until I get off work? He knows I can't get streaming audio here.
13 | Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:29:22pm |
Waiting for Jake Tapper to get fed up and leave. #reasonsobamaislate— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 21, 2012
14 | engineer cat Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:30:26pm |
re: #7 Charles Johnson
returning from super secret emergency trip to the seventeenth dimension to get the fiscal cliff solution from the super advanced alpha centuris that's how smart he is
16 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:34:29pm |
Oh, is Invisible Obama making an initial statement?
17 | Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:37:03pm |
I got no sound. Is he doing this in mime? Where's Bloomberg's face-dancer?
18 | Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:37:06pm |
Ugh, the video feed is screwed up. No audio, and it looks like they missed most of it.
19 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:37:11pm |
And since Obama is talking about fiscal matters the first three reporter questions will obviously be about guns.
20 | recusancy Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:41:40pm |
He's saying everybody should go home and get drunk
21 | engineer cat Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:42:08pm |
his tone reminds me of fred macmurray having a heart to heart talk with the beaver
"well, beav, sometimes grownups have problems that kids don't understand"
22 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:42:21pm |
re: #20 recusancy
He's saying everybody should go home and get drunk
Obvious sign he believes in America.
23 | Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:46:02pm |
Breitbart headline: "OBAMA ADVISES AMERICA TO GO ON EGG NOG BENDER" #kidding #butnotbymuch— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 21, 2012
24 | Randall Gross Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:51:57pm |
Very direct and to the point. He's trying his best to get something done, and the GOP is just looking worse and worse without him actually having to come right out and slam them. Very class, very presidential, and you can bet that the rw blogs are going to go nuts anyway.
25 | AntonSirius Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:54:03pm |
re: #9 engineer cat
fiscal cliff wants to 'spend more time with family', trying to get fiscal george to step in and take over
Going that route and not turning it into a Cliff Huxtable joke is just wrong.
26 | researchok Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:54:38pm |
27 | Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:55:36pm |
Breitbart headline: "EGG NOG - SAUL ALINSKY'S FAVORITE DRINK" #stillkidding— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 21, 2012
28 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:58:04pm |
I hear the NRA wants their own social transformation book in classrooms:
"Rules for Reticles"
29 | Randall Gross Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:58:56pm |
Here's the youtube link if you want to paste it in above:
30 | Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:59:32pm |
On Topic: I'm glad Obama is still projecting optimism. I just wish an honest outbreak of sanity would occur in the Republican Party.
Off Topic: Speaking of Hopeless Optimism, I'm on vacation freezing up in Michigan, Going to watch the Falcons versus the Lions Saturday night. (Let's wrap home field up!) and visiting S.O. Relatives then going up to Houghton to REALLY freeze.
But I wanted to take a minute to simply say, I was wrong the other day. Utterly and totally wrong about the NRA, not only did they NOT come with a rational response, but they're busy doubling down on trying to do anything BUT rational solutions. I really was hoping for some sanity on this one. But I guess that was asking too much. :(
Take care everyone and I hope your holidays are happy and enjoyable, be it 80 degrees or 8 degrees outside.
31 | wrenchwench Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:59:52pm |
re: #21 engineer cat
his tone reminds me of fred macmurray having a heart to heart talk with the beaver
"well, beav, sometimes grownups have problems that kids don't understand"
Was that in "Leave It To My Three Sons"?
32 | Kragar Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:02:46pm |
Well, having missed the President statement, I think its safe to say that conservatives will be calling for blood over it.
33 | Lidane Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:04:05pm |
Does Twitchy have a thread on eggnog tyranny yet?— David Pleasant (@dpleasant) December 21, 2012
34 | wilburs Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:07:05pm |
Just saw McConnell on Fox:
"It's the Presidents job to do our job"
35 | Kragar Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:08:15pm |
Enjoy your $8 a gallon milk folks. You can thank the GOP
Higher prices would be based on what dairy farm production costs were in 1949, when milk production was almost all done by hand. Because of adjustments for inflation and other technical formulas, the government would be forced by law to buy milk at roughly twice the current market prices to maintain a stable milk market.
But the market would be anything but stable. Farmers, at first, would experience a financial windfall as they rushed to sell dairy products to the government at higher prices than those they would get on the commercial market. Then the prices customers pay at the supermarket would surge as shortages developed and fewer gallons of milk were available for consumers and for manufacturers of products like cheese and butter.
For dairy farmers like Dean Norton in upstate New York, who are struggling with high feed costs caused by this summer’s drought, a jump in prices would be welcomed.
“But it would be short-term euphoria followed by a long hangover that would be difficult for us to recover from,” said Mr. Norton, who is president of the New York Farm Bureau. “I don’t think customers and food processors are going to pay double what they are paying now for dairy products.”
The Senate passed a farm bill in July. A House version of the bill made it out of committee, but House leaders have yet to bring its version to the floor.
36 | Lidane Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:08:37pm |
re: #34 wilburs
Just saw McConnell on Fox:
"It's the Presidents job to do our job"
Seriously? It's the President's job to do the Legislative branch's job?
38 | Kragar Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:11:11pm |
Tea party preacher: Sandy Hook massacre orchestrated to pass U.N. arms treaty
One of former Senator Rick Santorum’s (R-PA) new co-workers at conspiracy website World Net Daily insisted this week that the U.S. government orchestrated the Sandy Hook Elementary school massacre in order to support the United Nation’s Small Arms Treaty.
Although he didn’t present any concrete evidence to support his allegation, the heavy metal drummer, ordained minister and tea party enthusiast Bradlee Dean began his essay by quoting famed Nazi Dr. Josef Mengele.
Then he noted that the Sandy Hook shootings happened “just days after Sen. Rand Paul [R-KY] sent out an alert that the U.N. was set to pass the final version of the Small Arms Treaty, supported by Obama the day after the election.”
After misstating the treaty’s provisions by claiming it would outlaw all semi-automatic rifles, Dean added that the mass murders in Aurora, Colorado “also happened to coincide with the same time as negotiations of the U.N. Small Arms Treaty.”
39 | Gus Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:11:32pm |
re: #33 Lidane
[Embedded content]
It was a coded message!
Another story is that the term derived from egg and grog, a common Colonial term used for the drink made with rum. Eventually, that term was shortened to egg'n'grog, then eggnog.
40 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:12:12pm |
re: #38 Kragar
Tea party preacher: Sandy Hook massacre orchestrated to pass U.N. arms treaty
Yes, that's it, 20 innocent children were killed because of a UN plot to pass an arms treaty. Makes perfect sense.
*sigh*
41 | Shiplord Kirel Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:12:32pm |
Moonbat vs. wingnut violence:
Moonbat: Chubby bearded guy and friends get drunk rather than high, launch insurrection, try to heave molotov cocktails at police.
Result: 3 moonbats under arrest in burn ward, one car torched.
Wingnut: Gets drunk, hears about creeping shariah, grabs assault rifle.
Result: 23 dead at local mosque, shooter killed by SWAT team.
42 | lawhawk Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:13:35pm |
#WhistlingPastGunViolenceCemetery - This week 97 people killed by firearms according to @GunDeaths.
[Link: www.slate.com...]
43 | Lidane Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:18:12pm |
44 | Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:26:11pm |
Updated the post above to add the recording of Obama's statement from YouTube.
45 | Dr Lizardo Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:27:14pm |
re: #38 Kragar
Tea party preacher: Sandy Hook massacre orchestrated to pass U.N. arms treaty
You know, these are the folks that scream that loudest about their right to keep and bear arms. These are also, ironically enough, the same people who scream "We need better mental health care to keep wackos from getting guns".
They're paranoid, with delusions of persecution, issues of projection, irrationality, and seeing patterns where none exist.
These folks should be very careful what they wish for. When Mr LaPierre spoke of a "national mental-health database", I couldn't help but think the NRA's mailing list would largely fill that database.
46 | Shiplord Kirel Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:37:30pm |
World Nut Daily has named Ron Paul "Man of the Decade." (Freep re-post)
47 | Kragar Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:38:16pm |
re: #46 Shiplord Kirel
World Nut Daily has named Ron Paul "Man of the Decade." (Freep re-post)
In 2012? So they measure from 2002-2012? Who does that?
48 | Varek Raith Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:38:52pm |
49 | Kragar Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:43:49pm |
re: #48 Varek Raith
No, from 2012 to 2022.
Well, that makes a lot more sen...
Wait a fucking minute.
51 | lostlakehiker Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:53:15pm |
re: #24 Randall Gross
Very direct and to the point. He's trying his best to get something done, and the GOP is just looking worse and worse without him actually having to come right out and slam them. Very class, very presidential, and you can bet that the rw blogs are going to go nuts anyway.
He's giving Republicans every chance to show some sense on this issue. The basic fact is that he was reelected. In the give-and-take of democracy, Republicans have to show some give. The other fact, that Republicans held on to a majority in the House, cannot be the sole ground on which public policy is now made. That's ludicrous.
The president is also playing his cards with cool precision. No hissy fit here. If House Republicans break the deal by leaving Boehner high and dry, (and Boehner is no RINO; he can't be cast as a leftist) then the blame will fall squarely on House Republicans. It will be clear to all that these Republicans are willing to play "chicken" with the national economy.
My guess and hope is that Obama is correct that a deal is still genuinely possible and can be reached. All it would take would be a relative handful of Republican defections to the Boehner camp from the loony camp.
Where-ever one stands on the question of whose ideas are best, what has to be clear to all is that neither side is going to get just what it wants, and that somewhere, anywhere, in the middle is better than over the cliff.
52 | Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:55:46pm |
re: #51 lostlakehiker
That's reasonable, but note that every blog right of Freep has Boehner singing the Internationale in his sleep.
53 | Targetpractice Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:56:08pm |
You daily Fark hilarious headline:
Pull back the curtain and look at Boehner's final days before Cantor and the Tea Partiers stab him on the steps of the House 44 times, shouting "death to Oompa Loompas"
54 | lostlakehiker Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:58:01pm |
re: #35 Kragar
The real reason milk prices are likely to rise has little to do with the machinery of farm bills. It has to do with the drought and with the underlying climate change. No grass, no contented cows. Feed prices are up because grass yield is down. To some extent, substitution is possible, but corn yields are down too. If many farmers switched to sorghum, that would help, but so far, not many have embraced pessimism to the degree they need to.
Now we'll see if the drought extends into next year. So far, it's right on track, unfortunately.
55 | engineer cat Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:01:15pm |
re: #31 wrenchwench
Was that in "Leave It To My Three Sons"?
in my mind it's all one big suburb i guess!
hi mom hi dad where's the brownies??
56 | Obdicut Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:04:39pm |
Well, it turns out that the Mayans are the worst ever when it comes to making predictions. If you don't count Dick Morris.— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) December 21, 2012
57 | Shiplord Kirel Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:08:22pm |
The NRA has already created a slickly packaged program to put guns in schools, complete with its own nifty logo: The National School Shield.
Former Congressman Asa Hutchinson has apparently been put in charge of this effort: Hutchinson's speech today.
One of the first responsibilities I learned at Homeland Security was the importance of protecting our nation’s
critical infrastructure. And there is nothing more critical to our nation’s well being than our children’s safety.
They are this country’s future and her most precious resource.
We all understand that our children should be safe in school But it is also essential that the parents have
confidence in that safety. As a result of the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, that confidence has been shattered.
Assurance of school safety must be restored with a sense of urgency.
That is why I am grateful that the NRA has asked me to lead a team of security experts to assist our schools, parents
and communities.
I took this assignment on one condition: That my team of experts will be independent and will be guided solely by
what are the best security solutions for the safety of our children while at school.
More at link
58 | engineer cat Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:13:09pm |
Well, it turns out that the Mayans are the worst ever
it ain't ovah till it's ovah
59 | Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:15:18pm |
re: #57 Shiplord Kirel
The NRA has already created a slickly packaged program to put guns in schools, complete with its own nifty logo: The National School Shield.
Former Congressman Asa Hutchinson has apparently been put in charge of this effort: Hutchinson's speech today.
More at link
Logo looks like a sign for a motel chain. I was expecting something more plasma-domey.
60 | Gus Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:18:19pm |
.@vanjones68 @sonniebeverlyHere's an image for you ... twitter.com/jillwklausen/s...— Jill Klausen (@jillwklausen) December 22, 2012
61 | Gus Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:21:11pm |
151 mass shooting victims this year alone--and 1 in every 4 of them a kid. bit.ly/T3S5RO #Newtown #NRA— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) December 22, 2012
62 | wrenchwench Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:37:08pm |
A Tucson woman was shot and killed Thursday night by a man against whom she had a restraining order.Ashley Hicks, 23, was shot multiple times in the parking lot of an apartment complex at 160 N. Pantano Road just before 10:30 p.m., said Sgt. Chris Widmer, spokesman for the Tucson Police Department. She was taken to a local hospital where she died.
“She arrived at that complex last night with some friends and when they got there the suspect was waiting for her,” Widmer said.
After shooting Hicks, Joseph Leroy Francis, 23, drove to the the Marana home of the woman’s parents. Francis told them he killed their daughter, and left, police said.
[...]
Then he shot himself.
63 | Targetpractice Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:38:30pm |
Think what got me wasn't the idea of armed guards. It was asking for volunteers to start things off. Because apparently what we need are an army of Dirty Harry wannabes to protect our kids.
64 | Skip Intro Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:39:17pm |
re: #57 Shiplord Kirel
That is why I am grateful that the NRA has asked me to lead a team of security experts to assist our schools, parents
and communities.
I see. So this pompous ass thinks we're all looking to him and the NRA for a solution.
Fuck you, Asa. Fuck you, NRA. From the logo I just saw, it looks to me like the NRA was just waiting for an event like this to capitalize on.
65 | Shiplord Kirel Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:45:00pm |
The NRA's "school shield" plan ranks somewhere between "nuclear powered dune buggies" and "driving drunk in Saudi Arabia" on my list of worst ideas ever.
66 | wrenchwench Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:49:02pm |
@charlesmblow We're trying to start a fb campaign. Make this pic your cover.#NRA #nowayNRA #GunControlNow twitter.com/lluttig/status...— Leslie (@lluttig) December 22, 2012
67 | EPR-radar Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:52:14pm |
re: #64 Skip Intro
I see. So this pompous ass thinks we're all looking to him and the NRA for a solution.
Fuck you, Asa. Fuck you, NRA. From the logo I just saw, it looks to me like the NRA was just waiting for an event like this to capitalize on.
Well, the NRA could easily plan ahead. It is not as though no further shootings are to be expected.
They defend policies that almost certainly make mass shootings more likely and more deadly, and then respond in the aftermath with radioactively RW policy proposals, in the hopes that a stunned nation will uncritically swallow the poison.
If we seriously need armed guards in any location where 3 or more children may be present. we may as well just give up on the entire idea of civilization. That nihilism is what a big chunk of the RW leadership wants to encourage.
68 | Shiplord Kirel Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:08:49pm |
Freepers are going ballistic over some remarks today by NY Governor Cuomo that included the words "confiscation could be an option." It's pretty obvious the governor was referring to assault weapons in the context of registration or mandatory sale to the state, with confiscation as an alternative for failure to comply. Context means nothing to freepers, however. (This is often the case with Biblical literalists, btw.)
Confiscation, eh? I’m sure they’ll get the bullets first.
(Remember, "they" are the New York State Police. What happened to "support your local police?")
So in other words, the State of New York is going to go house to house searching for guns.......hum.
I am pretty sure the British tried that once.
(Er, no, freeper ass, that is not what he proposed.)
The left wants a civil war, they are gonna get it. I dare them to try to enter the home of gun owners and make them give up their guns I double dog dare them
I double dog dare you to act tough somewhere besides the internet.
Gun confiscation will lead to a third Obama term.
(Doesn't say how.)
Anybody living under a socialist dictatorship gets everything they deserve, and NY is a socialist dictatorship.
(Two words: "Wall Street")
This is what the left wants, to disarm us..not just “Ban automatic weapons” PLEASE, that is NOT their intention, their intention is to confiscate ALL OF OUR WEAPONS..pistols, shotguns, you name it they want it.
69 | Shiplord Kirel Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:13:20pm |
Maybe I was wrong to dismiss those end of the world prophecies: The world is still here, but a large part of the national population has become violently insane. This really is looking like a zombie apocalypse.
70 | EPR-radar Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:13:59pm |
re: #68 Shiplord Kirel
Of course, this is a self-fulfilling prophesy.
In fact, I would like to confiscate the weapons of anyone deranged enough to write that screed. This seems like simple common sense to me.
As a starter step, can we start agitating to have "US gun nut" put into the next edition of the DSM? It certainly seems better defined than some real clinical syndromes.
71 | ProMayaLiberal Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:16:59pm |
Question from Earlier.
Should SpySweeper be kept?
Right now the uninstalls are:
Medieval II (The 2nd install was bungled, and it doesn't quite work properly.)
McAfee (Near Useless Clutter).
72 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:19:05pm |
re: #8 dragonfire1981
Heh, I like the Mortal Kombat one.
You mean the Mortal Kombat sequence where the House GOP does this:
73 | Shiplord Kirel Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:22:49pm |
I remember what it was like coming home from Vietnam: I had a month's leave, which meant mom's cooking, a chance to meet some girls and wear civilian clothes and drink a little beer, and not having to get up early or CLEAN MY GODDAMNED M-16 EVERY DAY.
I cannot comprehend the mindset of someone for whom a similar (but actually inferior) weapon is a treasured possession and a personal icon.
74 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:25:14pm |
re: #71 ProMayaLiberal
Question from Earlier.
Should SpySweeper be kept?
Right now the uninstalls are:
Medieval II (The 2nd install was bungled, and it doesn't quite work properly.)
McAfee (Near Useless Clutter).
Just use the free MS security stuff. Don't bother with the other stuff. (I do not believe I am really reccing MS product but for Windows they do know it best.)
75 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:26:59pm |
re: #73 Shiplord Kirel
I remember what it was like coming home from Vietnam: I had a month's leave, which meant mom's cooking, a chance to meet some girls and wear civilian clothes and drink a little beer, and not having to get up early or CLEAN MY GODDAMNED M-16 EVERY DAY.
I cannot comprehend the mindset of someone for whom a similar (but actually inferior) weapon is a treasured possession and a personal icon.
Look at the bright side - you might have been a tanker in which case you'd had to clean a canon and two or three machine guns daily as well ;)
76 | TedStriker Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:27:13pm |
re: #73 Shiplord Kirel
I remember what it was like coming home from Vietnam: I had a month's leave, which meant mom's cooking, a chance to meet some girls and wear civilian clothes and drink a little beer, and not having to get up early or CLEAN MY GODDAMNED M-16 EVERY DAY.
I cannot comprehend the mindset of someone for whom a similar (but actually inferior) weapon is a treasured possession and a personal icon.
Because it's the only thing that can truly fill their cold, black souls, especially with all of the incidents that have involved "black rifles" (guns that, just like with handguns, have one true purpose for being: to kill people).
77 | TedStriker Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:29:27pm |
re: #74 William Barnett-Lewis
Just use the free MS security stuff. Don't bother with the other stuff. (I do not believe I am really reccing MS product but for Windows they do know it best.)
I can't recommend MSE in good conscience anymore at this time; their detection rates have apparently been abysmal with the AV test houses here over the past few months; I'm currently using Avast (the free version) for my AV.
78 | wilburs Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:31:23pm |
re: #77 TedStriker
I can't recommend MSE in good conscience anymore at this time; their detection rates have apparently been abysmal with the AV test houses here over the past few months; I'm currently using Avast (the free version) for my AV.
ditto
Avast
79 | uncah91 Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:34:44pm |
re: #78 wilburs
MalwareBytes is also a very good product, and inexpensive as well.
80 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:34:48pm |
re: #73 Shiplord Kirel
I remember what it was like coming home from Vietnam: I had a month's leave, which meant mom's cooking, a chance to meet some girls and wear civilian clothes and drink a little beer, and not having to get up early or CLEAN MY GODDAMNED M-16 EVERY DAY.
I cannot comprehend the mindset of someone for whom a similar (but actually inferior) weapon is a treasured possession and a personal icon.
Inferior compared to the AKM? I'd dispute that. It has its good points that must be measured:
The AR-15/M16 is a good bit more accurate than an AKM, average for average.
The AR is also more adaptable, taking a broader range of accessories and it can accommodate caliber changes simply by changing parts, things the AK cannot do.
ARs are also better ergonomically in the great majority of cases, and they always have a better fire selector/safety lever than does the AK.
81 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:35:20pm |
re: #79 uncah91
MalwareBytes is also a very good product, and inexpensive as well.
Concur. I've had nothing but good experiences with it.
82 | uncah91 Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:37:35pm |
re: #81 Dark_Falcon
I finally switched to it (and paid for it) after I kept using the free version to clean the things that all the other products let through.
83 | Shiplord Kirel Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:48:39pm |
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
Inferior compared to the AKM? I'd dispute that. It has its good points that must be measured:
The AR-15/M16 is a good bit more accurate than an AKM, average for average.
The AR is also more adaptable, taking a broader range of accessories and it can accommodate caliber changes simply by changing parts, things the AK cannot do.
ARs are also better ergonomically in the great majority of cases, and they always have a better fire selector/safety lever than does the AK.
I didn't mention the AKM, I meant in comparison to military issue M-16s with the burst fire or (back in the day) full-auto option.
84 | steve_davis Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:54:13pm |
re: #21 engineer cat
his tone reminds me of fred macmurray having a heart to heart talk with the beaver
"well, beav, sometimes grownups have problems that kids don't understand"
one of fred macmurray's problems in my three sons was that he did not, in fact, have nearly enough heart-to-heart talks with beavers of any variety.
85 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:10:10pm |
re: #83 Shiplord Kirel
I didn't mention the AKM, I meant in comparison to military issue M-16s with the burst fire or (back in the day) full-auto option.
I thought that was what the standard issue was. What were you carrying?
86 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:14:58pm |
re: #84 steve_davis
one of fred macmurray's problems in my three sons was that he did not, in fact, have nearly enough heart-to-heart talks with beavers of any variety.
Yeah, but you know uncle Charlie would be out being a hound once the boys had gone to bed.