1 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:36:49pm

Everything he said in this speech is recycled from other speeches. The breaking glass at 2am, the good guys with guns, etc. All of it. He's been giving this same speech for years.

2 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:45:07pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Everything he said in this speech is recycled from other speeches. The breaking glass at 2am, the good guys with guns, etc. All of it. He's been giving this same speech for years.

It's standard RW propaganda --- be afraid, be very afraid. The message has been the same for at least 30 years. Recycling is to be expected.

The worst outrage of the NRA press stunt, in my view, is that it is clearly an attempt to use the Newtown massacre as a vehicle to push the RW reactionary agenda. Just like the RW response to 9/11.

3 wilburs  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:33:04pm

It just makes you realize how small and how impenetrable the bubble they live in is.

I'm only surprised that they somehow couldn't tie in BENGHAZI!

4 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:34:15pm

Seriously, this speech gives me hope that just perhaps this time will be different. This time we'll quit listening to the NRA. And rational thought will be employed.

5 Carlos Machina  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:34:53pm

I expect that we'll soon see laid bare the NRA's willingness to accept the curtailing of First Amendment rights in defense of Second Amendment ones.

6 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:35:24pm

Tilting at straw men and a clearly irritated personality. They did themselves no favor with this press conference.

7 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:36:42pm

I thought maybe the NRA would try to play good cop and let the Gun Owners of America be the bad cops, but nope... it's bad cops all the way down.

8 researchok  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:36:45pm

I saw the news conference.

Textbook cognitive dissonance.

9 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:36:47pm

re: #4 calochortus

Seriously, this speech gives me hope that just perhaps this time will be different. This time we'll quit listening to the NRA. And rational thought will be employed.

We'll see. I'm not optimistic. If gun owners who do not subscribe to the rabid positions of the NRA leaders start leaving in droves, that might make a difference.

However, tribal loyalties are strong.

10 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:37:48pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

I thought maybe the NRA would try to play good cop and let the Gun Owners of America be the bad cops, but nope... bad cops all the way down.

Good point. What is left for the GOA to propose that could be crazier? Mandatory kindergarten show and tell with live fire exercises?

11 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:38:23pm

I can't believe it took them so long to write up this simpleminded pap.

12 researchok  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:38:50pm

re: #8 researchok

For example, you know smoking is bad for you but you do it anyway because you know you can't possibly get ill.

13 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:39:17pm

re: #2 EPR-radar

It's standard RW propaganda --- be afraid, be very afraid. The message has been the same for at least 30 years. Recycling is to be expected.

The worst outrage of the NRA press stunt, in my view, is that it is clearly an attempt to use the Newtown massacre as a vehicle to push the RW reactionary agenda. Just like the RW response to 9/11.

And there weren't attempts to advance a left-side view of the world after 9/11? There clearly have been after Newtown, some of them right here at LGF. Large crises are always used to advance a faction's agenda if possible, that being simply how the game is played.

14 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:39:46pm

Let's talk about exactly how large and civil-liberty-peeing-on the government would have to be to obtain and monitor a list of the "mentally ill."

To say nothing of what defines "mentally ill." Not that I believe LaPierre or his backers actually care about defining that term, nor that they care about nuance, social justice, or the ongoing discrimination against all forms of mental illness and developmental cognitive problems. I mean, they've already diagnosed Adam Lanza and subsequently slapped every other non-neurotypical person in the country with the stigma of being the next mass shooter...on the basis of nothing.

It's been a harsh day for me. Lots of people reminding me by accident that culturally we still view mental illness in all forms as a moral failing...and in one case, a failing of manliness--as in "TGoaF, you need to be a man and get over your anxiety attacks and depression." Lots of people not just playing psychologist with no actual knowledge, but fantasizing about forcing treatment and easier institutionalization.

15 researchok  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:41:52pm

re: #14 The Ghost of a Flea

Lots of people reminding me by accident that culturally we still view mental illness in all forms as a moral failing...

Lots of people not just playing psychologist with no actual knowledge, but fantasizing about forcing treatment and easier institutionalization.

No truer words

16 Tigger2  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:42:33pm

The thing about having armed guards in schools is If they aren't decked out in body armor from head to toe and carrying some awesome firepower, then the guard will just become another victim and the attacker will have another gun (the guards gun ) to use. it doesn't make sense.

17 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:42:39pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

And there weren't attempts to advance a left-side view of the world after 9/11? There clearly have been after Newtown, some of them right here at LGF. Large crises are always used to advance a faction's agenda if possible, that being simply how the game is played.

This is not a game.

18 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:43:00pm

re: #9 EPR-radar

We'll see. I'm not optimistic. If gun owners who do not subscribe to the rabid positions of the NRA leaders start leaving in droves, that might make a difference.

However, tribal loyalties are strong.

I'm not wildly optimistic, myself, but before the news conference I was profoundly pessimistic about the possibility of change.

19 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:43:30pm

Scowling throughout. I think he has a permanent scowl by now. Then the overt defensive nature with the backdrop of 20 children having been slain.

20 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:43:50pm

I didn't know there was trouble in the empire....

Conservative talk radio host and commentator Dana Loesch sued the owner of the conservative website Breitbart.com Friday, claiming that although her relationship with the news and opinion aggregating website had gone “tragically awry,” Breibart.cοm LLC refused to let her work for the company or anyone else, forcing her into “indentured servitude in limbo.”

The suit, filed in U.S. District Court here, seeks at least $75,000 in damages, as well as a judge's declaration that her contract had expired.

The suit says that difficulties managing the Breitbart “media 'empire'” or ideological conflicts or both had spiked the working relationship, creating a “increasingly hostile” work environment.

[...]

21 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:44:21pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

This is not a game.

Sure it is. Legislative and electoral politics is very much a game. An often high-stakes, on rare occasions deadly game, but a game nonetheless.

22 researchok  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:44:36pm

re: #19 Gus

The good news is this kind of performance will make it easier for the rank and file to get rid of him.

23 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:46:03pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

Crabs in a bucket.

24 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:46:04pm

Heard many stories on this today during the long drive (remember, people who haven't left their homes in the last 4 months are out on the road right NOW, and they are on a mission)

Subtle ridicule to the press conference with the main point of guards in schools and how that wouldn't be feasible.

But not one comment on the mental health registry or whatever stupid attack on personal rights BS he said.

25 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:46:16pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

I didn't know there was trouble in the empire....

Whoa Nellie. Time for popcorn!

I had a feeling it wouldn't be long before these snakes were at each other's throats. (Do snakes have throats?)

26 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:46:51pm

re: #14 The Ghost of a Flea

Let's talk about exactly how large and civil-liberty-peeing-on the government would have to be to obtain and monitor a list of the "mentally ill."

To say nothing of what defines "mentally ill." Not that I believe LaPierre or his backers actually care about defining that term, nor that they care about nuance, social justice, or the ongoing discrimination against all forms of mental illness and developmental cognitive problems. I mean, they've already diagnosed Adam Lanza and subsequently slapped every other non-neurotypical person in the country with the stigma of being the next mass shooter...on the basis of nothing.

It's been a harsh day for me. Lots of people reminding me by accident that culturally we still view mental illness in all forms as a moral failing...and in one case, a failing of manliness--as in "TGoaF, you need to be a man and get over your anxiety attacks and depression." Lots of people not just playing psychologist with no actual knowledge, but fantasizing about forcing treatment and easier institutionalization.

It's not just the list that gets me, it's the empty question of what he wants to do with that list.

Monitor them? The resources alone would make that virtually impossible.

Commit them? The ACLU would fry his ass like a chicken.

Strip them of gun ownership rights? He'd scream bloody murder that the "wrong" people are on that list, that "responsible gun owners" are getting put on the list by "gun grabbers."

27 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:46:52pm

re: #22 researchok

The good news is this kind of performance will make it easier for the rank and file to get rid of him.

Hard to say. We might think he came off a stark raving loon but others might think he did great.

28 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:47:56pm

re: #22 researchok

The good news is this kind of performance will make it easier for the rank and file to get rid of him.

Win, lose, or draw, LaPierre really does need to go. He's been in office too long and he's got no new ideas. He needs to be replaced by a someone else less hyperbolic, someone better able to expand the NRA by outreach instead of clinging to what they already have.

29 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:48:18pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Whoa Nellie. Time for popcorn!

I had a feeling it wouldn't be long before these snakes were at each other's throats. (Do snakes have throats?)

It's throats all the way down.

30 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:49:20pm

re: #23 jaunte

Crabs in a bucket.

I prefer the old Cold War analogy of Scorpions in a Bottle.

31 wilburs  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:49:25pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

Win, lose, or draw, LaPierre really does need to go. He's been in office too long and he's got no new ideas. He needs to be replaced by a someone else less hyperbolic, someone better able to expand the NRA by outreach instead of clinging to what they already have.

Ted Nugent is on the board of directors, maybe he will step up

//

32 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:51:07pm

re: #31 wilburs

Ted Nugent is on the board of directors, maybe he will step up

//

That would be like the Republican Party nominating Rick Santorum: The organization would be signalling its imminent implosion.

33 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:51:08pm

re: #31 wilburs

Ted Nugent is on the board of directors, maybe he will step up

//

That's the other thing. It's not just LaPierre that's the problem with the NRA.

34 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:52:29pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

And there weren't attempts to advance a left-side view of the world after 9/11? There clearly have been after Newtown, some of them right here at LGF. Large crises are always used to advance a faction's agenda if possible, that being simply how the game is played.

Downding for "game".

35 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:53:27pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

And there weren't attempts to advance a left-side view of the world after 9/11? There clearly have been after Newtown, some of them right here at LGF. Large crises are always used to advance a faction's agenda if possible, that being simply how the game is played.

Very well. It is more on point to focus on the practical stupidity and moral bankruptcy of the NRAs wonderful contributions.

The NRA exists to flog MOAR GUNZ as the answer to everything.

Does anyone have an explanation for why ending civilization is a reasonable response to Newtown?

36 Skip Intro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:53:38pm

re: #31 wilburs

Ted Nugent is on the board of directors, maybe he will step up

//

So's Grover Norquist. They've got one hell of a bench should ol' Wayne decide to hang it up and move over to the Heritage Foundation.

37 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:55:31pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

So's Grover Norquist. They've got one hell of a bench should ol' Wayne decide to hang it up and move over to the Heritage Foundation.

Is the president of the NRA basically a figurehead? I was a bit surprised that LaPierre is the Exec. VP.

38 wilburs  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:55:48pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

Also Ken Blackwell, the worst SOS in history, until recently displace by the current Ohio guy.

39 researchok  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:56:32pm

re: #27 Gus

Maybe- but I don't see how he can really excpect anyone to believe guns played no part in this tragedy.

He may be spouting the party line but he'll hve to do better than offer up denial.

He sounds like Bashar Assad- 'Syrians love me- the troubles are the outside terrorists'.

40 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:56:45pm

Derp.

My response:

Keep your guns. We won't even try to institute a buy-back program for them. There are too many of them and we don't have the money. And we aren't going to try to regulate your guns, either. We are going to regulate the number of bullets you can put in one.

And that number is six. Just six. We will even trade your big clips with new, smaller ones, for free! We will make sure that if plugs are needed for internal magazines, you can get them, for free! But if you don't follow the rules, you get a nickel in the gray-bar hotel, courtesy of Uncle Sugar. You'll love Joliet!

So people, you can keep and bear your arms. Keep your concealed carry permit. You can arm your teachers, if you like. You can hire Kindergarten Cops, if you like. But we will do our best to ensure that no one will be able to shoot 26 people, including 20 six and seven year old children, to pieces in three minutes.

Six shots, reload. Six shots, reload. A bunch of people are running at you. And you've got six shots.

Feel lucky, punk?

41 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:57:04pm

re: #34 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Downding for "game".

"Game" does not mean something not to be taken seriously or something trivial, when I use it. But does refer to the rules of conduct (such as they are), strategies, and theories surrounding these activities, including Game Theory. It's a manner of conceptualization I was taught by my mother that helps me make sense of some matters.

42 Skip Intro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:57:29pm

re: #37 EPR-radar

Is the president of the NRA basically a figurehead? I was a bit surprised that LaPierre is the Exec. VP.

LaPierre appears to be the whole show; Exec VP, CEO, FuhrerLeader.

43 researchok  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:57:30pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

I agree- he's yesterday's newspaper

44 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:59:15pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

I didn't know there was trouble in the empire....

Conservative talk radio host and commentator Dana Loesch sued the owner of the conservative website Breitbart.com Friday, claiming that although her relationship with the news and opinion aggregating website had gone “tragically awry,” Breibart.cοm LLC refused to let her work for the company or anyone else, forcing her into “indentured servitude in limbo.”

Great.

An idiot suing a pack of idiots.

What a spectacular waste of court resources.

45 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:59:27pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

Win, lose, or draw, LaPierre really does need to go. He's been in office too long and he's got no new ideas. He needs to be replaced by a someone else less hyperbolic, someone better able to expand the NRA by outreach instead of clinging to what they already have.

As I see it, the NRA is in the same basic position as the GOP. They have been so radical for so long that there aren't many undecideds left, and they won't be easy to recruit.

So what could be new ideas for the NRA? The only practical possibility I can think of is a breeding program.

46 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:00:30pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Whoa Nellie. Time for popcorn!

I had a feeling it wouldn't be long before these snakes were at each other's throats. (Do snakes have throats?)

Yes. Long ones. Very grabbable and shakeable. (sic)

47 Skip Intro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:01:04pm

re: #44 BongCrodny

her relationship with the news and opinion aggregating website had gone “tragically awry,”

Oh my. Someone get me my fainting couch.

48 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:02:56pm

re: #42 Skip Intro

LaPierre appears to be the whole show; Exec VP, CEO, FuhrerLeader.

My dad left the NRA in the 90s, after having been in there since the late 1950s. Said it had gone "...crazy, with Birchers and survivalists". My dad was a Republican, to be sure, but he didn't cotton to the nutburgers. If he were still around, he'd say the GOP of today is a "....damned freak show, filled with skypilots and wackos", knowing him.

49 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:06:08pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

Win, lose, or draw, LaPierre really does need to go. He's been in office too long and he's got no new ideas. He needs to be replaced by a someone else less hyperbolic, someone better able to expand the NRA by outreach instead of clinging to what they already have.

I would love to see their books.

50 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:07:17pm

re: #14 The Ghost of a Flea

Let's talk about exactly how large and civil-liberty-peeing-on the government would have to be to obtain and monitor a list of the "mentally ill."

To say nothing of what defines "mentally ill." Not that I believe LaPierre or his backers actually care about defining that term, nor that they care about nuance, social justice, or the ongoing discrimination against all forms of mental illness and developmental cognitive problems. I mean, they've already diagnosed Adam Lanza and subsequently slapped every other non-neurotypical person in the country with the stigma of being the next mass shooter...on the basis of nothing.

It's been a harsh day for me. Lots of people reminding me by accident that culturally we still view mental illness in all forms as a moral failing...and in one case, a failing of manliness--as in "TGoaF, you need to be a man and get over your anxiety attacks and depression." Lots of people not just playing psychologist with no actual knowledge, but fantasizing about forcing treatment and easier institutionalization.

When a douchebag like LaPierre talks about drawing up a list, it inherently follows that only the "right kind" of people will be composing the list. Yet another mortal blow to this stupid and offensive attempt at deflection.

51 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:09:01pm

re: #40 austin_blue

Derp.

My response:

Keep your guns. We won't even try to institute a buy-back program for them. There are too many of them and we don't have the money. And we aren't going to try to regulate your guns, either. We are going to regulate the number of bullets you can put in one.

And that number is six. Just six. We will even trade your big clips with new, smaller ones, for free! We will make sure that if plugs are needed for internal magazines, you can get them, for free! But if you don't follow the rules, you get a nickel in the gray-bar hotel, courtesy of Uncle Sugar. You'll love Joliet!

So people, you can keep and bear your arms. Keep your concealed carry permit. You can arm your teachers, if you like. You can hire Kindergarten Cops, if you like. But we will do our best to ensure that no one will be able to shoot 26 people, including 20 six and seven year old children, to pieces in three minutes.

Six shots, reload. Six shots, reload. A bunch of people are running at you. And you've got six shots.

Feel lucky, punk?

I wouldn't mind you paging that comment so I can tweet the hell out of it.

52 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:11:53pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

"Game" does not mean something not to be taken seriously or something trivial, when I use it. But does refer to the rules of conduct (such as they are), strategies, and theories surrounding these activities, including Game Theory. It's a manner of conceptualization I was taught by my mother that helps me make sense of some matters.

You still make it sound like just more of the same old partisan maneuvering. There's more to it than that.

53 Amory Blaine  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:16:08pm

There is much nerd rage on the right side of the aisle about the video game remarks.

54 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:17:41pm

re: #52 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

You still make it sound like just more of the same old partisan maneuvering. There's more to it than that.

Of course there is. The game plays out with different stakes at different levels, from legislative to cultural arenas. But issues where culture and politics intersect, and guns surely are one (as is the treatment of the mentally ill. for that matter), are part of the game.

55 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:24:38pm

re: #52 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

You still make it sound like just more of the same old partisan maneuvering. There's more to it than that.

By now I'm cynical enough to believe that the RW proposals in response to Newtown are not intended (even by the RW) to reduce the incidence of such tragedies. There is simply too much of a disconnect with reality, and the proposals would so clearly make things worse.

I am aware of the RW narrative that LW proposals for gun control are also designed to fail (by the LW), to thereby bring about greater pressure for more gun control. However, this I find to be incredible. Gun control has been tried in other parts of the developed world, and has worked well enough to be worth serious consideration.

So, I do think the RW views this all as a game in a way that others do not.

56 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:33:53pm

re: #48 Dr Lizardo

My dad left the NRA in the 90s, after having been in there since the late 1950s. Said it had gone "...crazy, with Birchers and survivalists". My dad was a Republican, to be sure, but he didn't cotton to the nutburgers. If he were still around, he'd say the GOP of today is a "....damned freak show, filled with skypilots and wackos", knowing him.

I would have liked your dad.

57 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:42:40pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

Win, lose, or draw, LaPierre really does need to go. He's been in office too long and he's got no new ideas. He needs to be replaced by a someone else less hyperbolic, someone better able to expand the NRA by outreach instead of clinging to what they already have.

You didn't just say that they're clinging to their guns, did you?

58 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:43:51pm

re: #57 Talking Point Detective

You didn't just say that they're clinging to their guns, did you?

Yeah, I did after a fashion.

59 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:54:22pm

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel

He came from a saner era of Republicans. When Eisenhowers and Deweys roamed the Earth.

60 Petero1818  Sat, Dec 22, 2012 7:54:05am

I get that DF was wrong to use the word "game". It was wrong. I think his point is worth considering. Politics in the US is reactionary. Simply the way it is. It was never better employed by the right wing of the country following 9/11 which witnessed the greatest attacks on freedom the US had seen since McCarthy. I am not saying they were wrong actually. I think for the most part individual freedom has limits (which is an idea firmly entrenched in Canada where I reside). Freedom regarding gun ownership is no different. It should have limits. The time is now for the left to pounce on this and drag the 2nd amendment kicking and screaming to its limited definition.

61 Ming  Sat, Dec 22, 2012 12:07:16pm

Please read (via Andrew Sullivan) [Link: opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...]

I think the above article provides a vital perspective on one reason that some on the right wing want more guns in America.

I would urge everyone to read the article. The following quote from it really resonated with me: THIS is the dumbed-down, obedient America that many on the right wing want. No more high-falutin librul talk about global warmin', or evolution, or contraception. Shut up and OBEY! This is the dream, chilling to me but appealing to many others, of power-mongers large and small: obedience, politeness, compliance. Quoting from the article:

"This becomes clear if only you pry a little more deeply into the N.R.A.’s logic behind an armed society. An armed society is polite, by their thinking, precisely because guns would compel everyone to tamp down eccentric behavior, and refrain from actions that might seem threatening. The suggestion is that guns liberally interspersed throughout society would cause us all to walk gingerly — not make any sudden, unexpected moves — and watch what we say, how we act, whom we might offend.

"As our Constitution provides, however, liberty entails precisely the freedom to be reckless, within limits, also the freedom to insult and offend as the case may be. The Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld our right to experiment in offensive language and ideas, and in some cases, offensive action and speech. Such experimentation is inherent to our freedom as such. But guns by their nature do not mix with this experiment — they don’t mix with taking offense. They are combustible ingredients in assembly and speech.

"I often think of the armed protestor who showed up to one of the famously raucous town hall hearings on Obamacare in the summer of 2009. The media was very worked up over this man, who bore a sign that invoked a famous quote of Thomas Jefferson, accusing the president of tyranny. But no one engaged him at the protest; no one dared approach him even, for discussion or debate — though this was a town hall meeting, intended for just such purposes. Such is the effect of guns on speech — and assembly. Like it or not, they transform the bearer, and end the conversation in some fundamental way. They announce that the conversation is not completely unbounded, unfettered and free; there is or can be a limit to negotiation and debate — definitively."

WOW.

62 Skip Intro  Sat, Dec 22, 2012 12:36:06pm
The suggestion is that guns liberally interspersed throughout society would cause us all to walk gingerly — not make any sudden, unexpected moves — and watch what we say, how we act, whom we might offend.

Add in Stand Your Ground laws, and you too can feel free to shoot the guy in line ahead of you just because he's acting like a jerk. Very civilizing, indeed.

63 Skip Intro  Sat, Dec 22, 2012 12:38:10pm

re: #42 Skip Intro

LaPierre appears to be the whole show; Exec VP, CEO, FuhrerLeader.

I'm in error here. There is also a president. I've forgotten who he is, and I have no idea what he does. Polishes Wayne's ammunition, perhaps?


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