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NRA Head LaPierre on Meet the Press: “Call Me Crazy”

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You’re not going to hear any surprises here, as NRA bigwig Wayne LaPierre just continues parroting his “more guns are the only solution” talking points, utterly rejects any and all forms of gun control, and advocates for armed guards in every school classroom.

The right wing has been advocating for cutting funds to schools and teachers, and destroying teacher’s unions, but they have no trouble spending as much money as possible on MOAR GUNZ.

I love how LaPierre pretends to be very concerned about improving mental health care — and at the same time repeatedly calls mentally ill people “lunatics” and “monsters.”

But perhaps the most telling moment: when LaPierre says, “If it’s crazy to put more guns in schools, then call me crazy.”

He’ll get no argument from me. He’s not just crazy, he’s batshit insane. If we ever do create a mental health registry, his name should be first on the list.

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43 comments

1 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:47:00am

But it's, moar gunz in the hands of a very small percentage of the population. Lots moar.

Why can't they collect something sensible, like shoes.

:0

2 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:48:28am

Wayne, everyone already has.

3 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:49:25am

I will call him crazy if that is what he really wants. /

4 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:51:21am

The folks who rail at length about the evils of teacher's unions and the need to "cut the fat" from education budgets, and who view health care spending as "wasteful" when its to help the poor and elderly get access, want to give teachers guns and expand access of care to the mentally ill.

You know, Mr. LaPierre, I'll make you an offer: You want that list, then have every NRA member undergo a psych eval. Any who fail not only get their name on the list, but will also have to surrender their gun license. How about it?

5 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:53:48am

re: #4 Targetpractice

Good idea but he will not agree to it.

6 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:54:53am

re: #5 PhillyPretzel

Good idea but he will not agree to it.

Of course not, the "gun rights activists" never like to think themselves part of the problem. They want the mentally ill demonized and put on a government list, but if you suggest a gun registry, they go apeshit.

7 dragonath  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:54:57am

YOU MAY BE RIGHT
I MAY BE CRAZY
BUT IT JUST MIGHT BE A LUNATIC YOU'RE LOOKING FOR

8 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:55:54am

re: #7 dragonath

YOU MAY BE RIGHT
I MIGHT BE CRAZY
BUT IT JUST MIGHT BE A LUNATIC YOU'RE LOOKING FOR

These days, we don't have to look to far!!

9 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:01:24am

Speaking of batshit crazy:

Gun Enthusiasts Pack Shows to Buy Assault Weapons

I find it impossible to understand the type of mind that reacts to an atrocity like Newtown by rushing out and buying the weapon the killer used.

10 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:01:31am

There's no doubt in my mind you live in a separate reality from the rest of us, Mr. LaPierre.

As I said elsewhere, Mr. LaPierre demonstrates that in America a person can become anything they want to become, even if that is a very bad idea.

11 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:02:09am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Speaking of batshit crazy:

Gun Enthusiasts Pack Shows to Buy Assault Weapons

I find it impossible to understand the type of mind that reacts to an atrocity like Newtown by rushing out and buying the weapon the killer used.

OBAMA'S GONNA TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY!!!

12 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:02:43am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

They fear that these weapons as well as all other guns will be banned and they want theirs.

13 Political Atheist  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:03:16am

Look at who all agree that the NRA via Wayne LaPierre is utterly wrong-
Each and every gun control advocate.
90 to 95% of actual gun owners.
And the judge most reviled for his most conservative ways-Judge Scalia. Who explicitly pointed out regulations would be called for. Some of his language may paint the way for an assault weapon ban and o perhaps a capacity rule.

I ask you folks, how far out there do you have to be to unify such a range of opposition to your view? Can you even think of a similar example? Paulians maybe?

He also makes it very difficult to calmly advocate for the use of that individual civil right. This at exactly the time we must in fact rapidly and objectively profoundly regulate within the bounds of that right.

So just for my own humble posting, it's just that much harder to get to an ear that isn't angry or impatient or just closed. I work with people that need that right as legit as it gets.

So with my usual reluctance to F bomb a thread---

Screw you Wayne, Shut Up, You Are Not Helping.

14 Skip Intro  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:07:00am

I'm still trying to understand how Wayne thinks we'll pay for the tens of billions his "plan" will cost each year.

Raise taxes? FUCK NO!!!!!!

Excise tax on gun sales? FUCK NO!!!!!!

Annual gun registration fee, like autos, boats, and planes? FUCK NO!!!!!

But we'll find it in the budget somewhere, it's just not Wayne's concern where.

What a total douchebag to the 20th power.

15 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:07:46am

Thing about it is LaPierre remains in power because the gun manufacturers love him. Under his leadership, the NRA has become the best friend for a gun dealer possible. Every new suggestion regarding gun control, every Democrat elected to office, and every burst of outrage over another mass shooting gets channeled into a call for gun owners to go out and grab up all the guns they can because Big Government's gonna ban them all tomorrow.

Yeah, I'll get flak, but I'll say it now: If you're an NRA member, you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. You're lending legitimacy to a group that has become a lobbyist for gun manufacturers. Whatever its "good works," it is using your membership as a cover to promote a culture of violence.

16 Gus  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:07:51am

OK Wayne, you're crazy.

17 The Mountain That Blogs  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:08:40am

re: #14 Skip Intro

By firing those socialist teachers. Instead of adding armed guards to schools, just use them to teach the kids. Why have a gun on the doors when you can have one in the classroom?

18 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:08:46am

Meet the Batshit Crazy CEO Gun Zealot

19 Dave In Austin  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:10:09am

One of the more cogent statements I've seen has been this: "We can limit the number of shells in a gun while hunting waterfowl, but we can't limit the number of shells/cartridges used hunting children? Insanity!".

20 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:10:29am
21 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:10:56am

re: #16 Gus

I can think of a few other things i would like to call Wayne. Crazy is a mild term for what I really think of him.

22 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:12:45am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Noticed that, so gross ...

23 Gus  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:13:52am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

All I can think of is, gah.

24 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:15:27am

In addition to 'crazy', I think we could reuse the list here.

Might as well be efficient about it.

25 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:17:14am

re: #24 wrenchwench

Recycling is a good idea. It saves energy too.

26 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:17:32am

If you take a look at almost any right wing site today, the reaction is the absolute polar opposite -- they're high-fiving each other and cheering for LaPierre.

The right wing in America worships violence and death.

27 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:21:09am

re: #13 Political Atheist

Look at who all agree that the NRA via Wayne LaPierre is utterly wrong-
Each and every gun control advocate.
90 to 95% of actual gun owners.
And the judge most reviled for his most conservative ways-Judge Scalia. Who explicitly pointed out regulations would be called for. Some of his language may paint the way for an assault weapon ban and o perhaps a capacity rule.

I ask you folks, how far out there do you have to be to unify such a range of opposition to your view? Can you even think of a similar example? Paulians maybe?

He also makes it very difficult to calmly advocate for the use of that individual civil right. This at exactly the time we must in fact rapidly and objectively profoundly regulate within the bounds of that right.

So just for my own humble posting, it's just that much harder to get to an ear that isn't angry or impatient or just closed. I work with people that need that right as legit as it gets.

So with my usual reluctance to F bomb a thread---

Screw you Wayne, Shut Up, You Are Not Helping.

Time for a strategy.

Like you said elsewhere, you can only quit the NRA once. It doesn't seem to bother them enough. That's because their money comes more from gun manufacturers than from members (correct me if I'm wrong there). So ask the manufacturers to quit supporting the NRA. It will take a lot of gun buyers to have an influence, but from your comment it looks like a matter of organizing those who are already willing, rather than needing to convince people.

28 Jimmah  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:21:49am

Show me one bad guy with a gun who didn't think he was the good guy with the gun.

29 Gus  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:22:30am

biab

30 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:22:58am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

If you take a look at almost any right wing site today, the reaction is the absolute polar opposite -- they're high-fiving each other and cheering for LaPierre.

The right wing in America worships violence and death.

Well, that could make Political Atheist's task a little harder.

31 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:23:11am

re: #27 wrenchwench

Time for a strategy.

Like you said elsewhere, you can only quit the NRA once. It doesn't seem to bother them enough. That's because their money comes more from gun manufacturers than from members (correct me if I'm wrong there). So ask the manufacturers to quit supporting the NRA. It will take a lot of gun buyers to have an influence, but from your comment it looks like a matter of organizing those who are already willing, rather than needing to convince people.

Responsible gun owners should make their own lobbying organization. Gun ranges should stop endorsing the NRA at all, offering NRA classes, etc. The NRA should be rejected on every level, and a sane alternative offered.

Because right now, to most of the US, the NRA = Gun owners.

32 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:25:43am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

If you take a look at almost any right wing site today, the reaction is the absolute polar opposite -- they're high-fiving each other and cheering for LaPierre.

The right wing in America worships violence and death.

They like to keep convincing themselves that anything but inconveniencing gun owners would have stopped Adam Lanza. Never have they shown evidence that he lacked access to mental health care, but they keep pounding their fist upon the pulpit, screaming that mental illness is the cause of mass shootings and we can put a stop to it by further stigmatizing anybody who looks the least bit "strange."

33 dragonfire1981  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:25:59am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

This should really get its own thread Charles.

From that article:

Reuters reporters went to gun shows in Pennsylvania, Missouri and Texas, and found long lines to get in the door, crowds around the dealer booths, a rush to buy assault weapons even at higher prices and some dealers selling out.

The busiest table at the R.K. Gun & Knife show at an exposition center near the Kansas City, Missouri airport was offering assault weapons near the entrance.

West Plains, Missouri dealer Keith's Guns sold out of about 20 AR-15 style assault rifles in a little over an hour, owner Keith Gray said.

An AR-15 type assault weapon was among the guns authorities believe suspect Adam Lanza stole from his mother to use in the massacre of 20 school children and six adults at a Newtown, Connecticut elementary school on December 14.

The killing of innocent children at the school shocked the nation and prompted a number of politicians including President Barack Obama to call for a ban on assault weapons and ammunition clips that allow the rapid firing of multiple bullets.

Rather than tighten gun ownership restrictions, the powerful lobby for gun rights, the National Rifle Association, on Friday called for armed guards at every school.

D.R. Woody was one of those able to purchase an assault weapon at the Kansas City show on Saturday. He bought the gun for target practice because he is concerned they soon will be banned. "I didn't expect to find one. No gun stores have them," said Woody of the AR-15 type of gun.

So now we have more and more people out there with assault rifles in their homes. What could possibly go wrong?

34 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:27:47am

re: #31 Obdicut

Responsible gun owners should make their own lobbying organization. Gun ranges should stop endorsing the NRA at all, offering NRA classes, etc. The NRA should be rejected on every level, and a sane alternative offered.

Because right now, to most of the US, the NRA = Gun owners.

A sane alternative could help tear down the insane one. Represent the gun owners, not the industry that thrives on lack of regulations.

35 Political Atheist  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:48:52am

re: #34 wrenchwench

Well said. Obviously been thinking. Lest somebody try to "out" me-This is getting deep enough I have to be careful. I sit on a BOD at a big shooting range. I even mentioned a proposal here once. But I can/will not talk about that board, or as anything but as an individual citizen/self defense advocate. It's just me. Not the range.
*Sorry about that, but necessary so I can be open and honest"

In my strong & humble opinion we have to start with what we can do right now. Upcoming months are crucial. Pass some of those laws while the momentum is fresh. I can only cross my fingers those regulations will be a lot harder on bad guys than responsible citizens with or without guns. Oh, and states legislatures-Don't wait for Congress. You can start in the new session. Ways and means can overlap/adjust language as necessary.

For my part I favor instant check for all private party transfers and sales. (Gun show thing+)
The ten round limit. (Exceptions for L.E.)
A not quite blanket (Brinks!) ban of assault weapons as defined by configuration, capacity and caliber.
And more. Brevity is my friend I hope.

The only way for shooters to get around the NRA for now is just that-Go around. Shooting ranges can affiliate with the NSSF for example instead or form their own. Ranges do affiliate but not in a political sense. More like associations for insurance and technical/engineering/environmental resources. Club & range level up is the way to go.

As a guy with a lot of marketing experience-The NRA would have to dwindle. I really don't see another organization overcoming that behemoth in less than a decade. Just the branding of anything new is years away.

Maybe I better Page this.

36 davesax  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:54:20am

Charles,

Watch it there, buddy. Most "mentally ill" people are actually sensitive and self aware enough to get help through AA, therapy, etc., and live decent lives.

LaPierre? He's just a dick.

;-)

37 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 12:00:25pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

If you take a look at almost any right wing site today, the reaction is the absolute polar opposite -- they're high-fiving each other and cheering for LaPierre.

The right wing in America worships violence and death.

I was thinking about this. An odd but I think apt comparison came to mind: the Aztec religion.

The Aztecs sacrificed who knows how many people to their gods. They did this because their belief was if the killing stopped then the universe would come to an end. Only through constant sacrifice of life could the order of the universe be maintained.

I find striking parallels between the Aztecs and the current right wing gun worship.

38 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 12:00:28pm

re: #35 Political Atheist

As a guy with a lot of marketing experience-The NRA would have to dwindle. I really don't see another organization overcoming that behemoth in less than a decade. Just the branding of anything new is years away.

I think the momentum for that is now, too. A new organization doesn't have to 'overcome' the NRA, just be there as an alternative. It's not in competition for the manufacturer's support, because if the new organization wants that, it will turn into the NRA. It's going to have to be supported in a different way.

39 Political Atheist  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 12:12:43pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

It's going to have to be supported in a different way.

Assuming significant support from advocates more like me than someone rushing out to buy an AR today... It would need support from gun control advocates too. That is what would make the difference.

40 Political Atheist  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 12:15:49pm

re: #31 Obdicut

Responsible gun owners should make their own lobbying organization. Gun ranges should stop endorsing the NRA at all, offering NRA classes, etc. The NRA should be rejected on every level, and a sane alternative offered.

Because right now, to most of the US, the NRA = Gun owners.

My bad, I should have included you in the replies to WW just above.

41 Mattand  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 12:18:40pm
But perhaps the most telling moment: when LaPierre says, “If it’s crazy to put more guns in schools, then call me crazy.”

See, this is why we can't have nice things.

Like elementary schools that aren't shooting galleries.

42 Cap'n Magic  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 12:40:05pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

An investment, perhaps?

43 docproto48  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 4:58:11pm

And how does he suggest paying for armed guards in the schools?
A government appropriation! I bet he normally would complain about another government appropriation!
OK be conservative and let the NRA pay for the salary of the guards and their training and equipment. While they are at it they should start the largest initiative in history to be sure everyone with a gun is trained in safety and determination of those who shouldn't have guns (besides everyone)


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