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1 Bubblehead II  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 5:18:32pm

Science! How the fuck does it work?
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All kidding aside. Science has made some (in my opinion) very interesting contributions to the world of Art.

Pollen

Lets see an Abstract Artist beat that.

Also check out this site.

2 Achilles Tang  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 5:27:16pm

Beauty is in the eye, and intelligence, of the beholder.

3 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 5:29:46pm

Richard Feynman was a bongo player, too.

4 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 5:30:21pm

No, really. He was.

5 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 5:38:37pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

No, really. He was.

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Not much of a singer, though. Nor lyricist, if that's his work. Sounds like a great guy otherwise; I just read his Wikipedia page.

Now I'm going home, where I'll be able to view the video at the top.

6 Bubblehead II  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 5:40:32pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of YOUR choice smile down upon you and yours.

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.

7 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 5:56:29pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

8 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 5:58:25pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

9 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:16:47pm
10 freetoken  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:29:09pm

Feynman got his celebrity too without having to dip into the voodoo. Those were still some of the glory days of physics, back in the 60's.

11 stabby  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:31:04pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Reminds me of one of my favorite tracks

12 Kragar  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:33:25pm

Doctor behind discredited vaccine-autism link handed quackery award

Andrew Wakefield, the doctor struck off the medical register for his discredited research that claimed to find a link between autism and the MMR vaccine, can add another honour to his list this Christmas: the inaugural Golden Duck award for lifetime achievement in quackery, set up by science writer Simon Singh.

Runners-up for the award were Prince Charles and David Tredinnick, the Conservative MP for Bosworth and member of the Commons health select committee. According to the campaign group the Good Thinking Society, led by Singh, the Golden Duck is an annual award to recognise those “who have supported or practiced pseudoscience in the most ludicrous, dangerous, irrational or irresponsible manner”.

13 Kragar  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:39:01pm

Romney ‘wanted to be president less than anyone,’ says son

In an interview with the Boston Globe examining what went wrong with the Romney campaign, his eldest son Tagg explains that his father had been a reluctant candidate from the start.

After failing to win the 2008 Republican nomination, Romney told his family he would not run again and had to be persuaded to enter the 2012 White House race by his wife Ann and son Tagg.

“He wanted to be president less than anyone I’ve met in my life. He had no desire… to run,” Tagg Romney said. “If he could have found someone else to take his place… he would have been ecstatic to step aside.”

I'm sure the Wingnuts will love this.

14 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:39:55pm

re: #12 Kragar

Doctor behind discredited vaccine-autism link handed quackery award

Nobody deserves it more. Wakefield deserves to be mocked and ridiculed at every opportunity, that his quackery may be known and that anti-vaxxers may be discredited as much as possible.

15 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:40:06pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

No, really. He was.

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That would make an awesome Tropicana commercial!

16 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:41:34pm

re: #13 Kragar

Romney ‘wanted to be president less than anyone,’ says son

I'm sure the Wingnuts will love this.

“He wanted to be president less than anyone I’ve met in my life. He had no desire… to run,” Tagg Romney said. “If he could have found someone else to take his place… he would have been ecstatic to step aside.”

Santorum, Gingrich, Bachmann, Palin, would all have been delighted to take his place if only he had dropped out of the primaries.

17 Kragar  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:44:40pm

re: #16 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Santorum, Gingrich, Bachmann, Palin, would all have been delighted to take his place if only he had dropped out of the primaries.

Besides those people, no one could be found...
/

18 freetoken  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:49:50pm

re: #17 Kragar

Besides those people, no one could be found...
/

Perry, Huntsman, and oh, of course, Mr. 9-9-9!!

19 Kragar  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:53:30pm

re: #18 freetoken

Perry, Huntsman, and oh, of course, Mr. 9-9-9!!

RON PAUL!

20 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:53:46pm

re: #13 Kragar

“He wanted to be president less than anyone I’ve met in my life. He had no desire… to run,” Tagg Romney said. “If he could have found someone else to take his place… he would have been ecstatic to step aside.”

Tagg Howell III is full of shit. He learned from pops. The truth is whatever you want it to be today.

21 freetoken  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:54:15pm

Oh, how I wish Romney would have stepped aside, and we would have ended up with a Santorum/9-9-9 ticket.

The wingnuts would have had everything they wanted, yet the outcome would have been the same, and they would then stew in the fact that their atavism was rejected.

22 freetoken  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:55:42pm

This is still more the same post-election blaming of Mitt, as if it was all his personal fault (e.g., bad campaigning strategy) that the Republicans lost.

They just won't accept that the message was rejected too.

23 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:59:31pm

re: #22 freetoken

This is still more the same post-election blaming of Mitt, as if it was all his personal fault (e.g., bad campaigning strategy) that the Republicans lost.

They just won't accept that the message was rejected too.

THEY

JUST

DIDN'T

SCREAM

IT

LOUD

ENOUGH!

Center-right nation!!!

24 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:01:43pm
25 freetoken  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:02:41pm

re: #23 Four More Tears

Center-right nation!!!

GOD! GUNS! GOLD!!!!

26 BongCrodny  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:03:20pm

re: #13 Kragar

Romney ‘wanted to be president less than anyone,’ says son

“He wanted to be president less than anyone I’ve met in my life. He had no desire… to run,” Tagg Romney said. "If he could have found someone else to take his place… he would have been ecstatic to step aside.”

Tagg's not being especially diplomatic here, is he?

"Well, if my dad doesn't run, all we've got is Perry and Bachmann and Santorum and Cain and Gingrich and RON PAUL! and Palin and Huckabee and that guy who speaks Chinese."

27 stabby  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:06:14pm

re: #26 BongCrodny

...and that guy who speaks Chinese.

Why do I find it impossible to imagine Republicans respecting any white man who speaks Chinese?

28 BongCrodny  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:06:32pm

Oh, yeah -- I forgot Tim Pawlenty.

How do you suppose that could possibly have happened? :-)

29 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:06:42pm

re: #22 freetoken

This is still more the same post-election blaming of Mitt, as if it was all his personal fault (e.g., bad campaigning strategy) that the Republicans lost.

They just won't accept that the message was rejected too.

Or maybe he is trying to say that pops would have won easily if he had actually tried to win.

30 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:08:07pm

The look on Cory Booker's face as Peggy Noonan blames gun violence on video games and movies is fucking priceless.

Image: A-0QY5SCQAAFK5l.jpg

31 freetoken  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:09:03pm

re: #29 Mich-again

Or maybe he is trying to say that pops would have won easily if he had actually tried to win.

Of course he is. Rejection is hard to accept.

32 prairiefire  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:10:40pm

re: #30 Four More Tears

The look on Cory Booker's face as Peggy Noonan blames gun violence on video games and movies is fucking priceless.

Image: A-0QY5SCQAAFK5l.jpg

Bitch! Please!

33 Kragar  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:10:50pm

re: #30 Four More Tears

The look on Cory Booker's face as Peggy Noonan blames gun violence on video games and movies is fucking priceless.

Image: A-0QY5SCQAAFK5l.jpg

34 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:11:06pm

re: #29 Mich-again

Or maybe he is trying to say that pops would have won easily if he had actually tried to win.

That 47% comment and the "Go to the ER" comment were self-sabotage, for sure.

35 BongCrodny  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:12:29pm

Other 2012 Republican Presidential candidates, courtesy of Wikipedia:

Jack Fellure, Perennial candidate of West Virginia, filed a presidential committee with the FEC on November 5, 2008. Fellure ended his campaign for the Republican nomination on June 22, 2011 after receiving the presidential nomination of the Prohibition Party.

Your modern-day Republican Party is just too liberal for some people.

36 stabby  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:13:29pm

re: #34 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Everything he did to win the primary made him unelectable.

He's not the first presidential candidate to forget that when you're running for president people pay attention, you can't say one thing to one group and something else to another. You can't change your story without admitting that you've changed your mind, given a reason for it, and taken the consequences.

And you can't play one group against another without pissing people off forever.

37 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:13:39pm

re: #34 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

That 47% comment and the "Go to the ER" comment were self-sabotage, for sure.

To counter-argue, though: Romney didn't expect the public to find out about the 47% remark. It only got out because someone violated the fund-raiser's rules against recording.

[Edit] Note: Mitt Romney's "47%" remarks were indefensible. I said so at the time, and I maintain that position.

38 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:19:10pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

To counter-argue, though: Romney didn't expect the public to find out about the 47% remark. It only got out because someone violated the fund-raiser's rules against recording.

Pro-tip: keep arguments that make your candidate look worse to yourself.

39 freetoken  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:19:41pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

He may not have expected the actual statement at that party to get out, but his whole basis of his campaign reeked of disdain for the lower economic half of the electorate.

40 stabby  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:19:56pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Oh bullshit.

Frankly you don't deserve more of an argument than "Bullshit!" But you'll get one.

1) anyone could also have just walked out and reported what he said.
2) rules against recording, are you serious? What? Are fund raisers "off the record"? One big "I'll tell the truth now that the rabble are out of the room" Stupid idea. STUPID
3) no candidate should think he can talk behind the voters back anyone fucking stupid enough to think he can do that isn't smart enough to pump gas or be a gigolo let alone the God Damn President of the United States of America.

Also I regret that I have only one downding to give for my country. STUPID!

41 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:20:17pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

To counter-argue, though: Romney didn't expect the public to find out about the 47% remark. It only got out because someone violated the fund-raiser's rules against recording.

WTF!

42 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:24:28pm

re: #39 freetoken

He may not have expected the actual statement at that party to get out, but his whole basis of his campaign reeked of disdain for the lower economic half of the electorate.

I'm not questioning that, I'm just saying that the line possible wouldn't have represented self-sabotage, given that he didn't expect it to get out.

Mitt Romney's "47%" remarks were indefensible. I said so at the time, and I maintain that position. This line is being added to #37 for clarity.

43 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:29:33pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

I'm not questioning that, I'm just saying that the line possible wouldn't have represented self-sabotage, given that he didn't expect it to get out.

Mitt Romney's "47%" remarks were indefensible. I said so at the time, and I maintain that position. This line is being added to #37 for clarity.

He either knew that they might get out, which makes it self-sabotage, or he didn't, which makes it stupidity.

Furthermore, it was an entirely unforced error. He didn't need to make such a statement (particularly the part about "never getting them to take responsibility for their lives"), even to that audience.

44 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:29:47pm

What the NRA-ILA is worried about right now...

The Battle is Not Coming--It is Here! You Must Remain Engaged!

And, if you think the latest gun control debate will be limited solely to legislation to ban semi-autos and "large capacity" magazines, think again. Calls have already been renewed to subject all private sales of firearms to background checks, even among family members and friends, and to end mail-order sales of ammunition.

The rest of the country is worried about the proliferation of military grade weaponry in the hands of average citizens. But what they seem most worried about is that they might have to do a background check before a private sale.

Good to see that the NRA has it's priorities straight, because everyone knows how essential private sales (the "gun show loophole") are to our 2nd Amendment rights. It is more important to be able to freely sell a gun privately to someone that they know may or may not pass a background check than to allow any regulation to be involved. Blah, blah, blah, slippery slope, blah, blah, onerous regulation...

But how else is Uncle Leroy goin ta get hisself another gun afterin that hassle he had what with beatin on Auntie May and then shootin at the pigs whinst theys come to arrest him, lessen I ken sells him one?

45 jaunte  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:35:08pm

Anti-Union Conservative Dana Loesch Now All For Workers’ Rights—Hers

"...she considers it sick and wrong to do this to her… but anyone else victimized by an employer obviously deserves it, and should just stop their entitled whining, stop filing frivolous lawsuits, and be grateful to have a job at all.

And yet another tasty morsel of irony in all this? On her very own radio show, Missouri House Speaker Tim Jones revealed to the St. Louis-based wingnut that soon her home state will be considering “Right to Work” legislation, which, if approved, would probably shrug its unsympathetic shoulders at her complaints."

46 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:35:49pm

re: #43 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

He either knew that they might get out, which makes it self-sabotage, or he didn't, which makes it stupidity.

Furthermore, it was an entirely unforced error. He didn't need to make such a statement (particularly the part about "never getting them to take responsibility for their lives"), even to that audience.

All of that is true, and undisputed by me. I was trying to counter-argue self-sabotage, not saying he hadn't fucked up. He fucked up the second that "47%" remark entered his thoughts. Publicly berating almost half of the country is not how you get elected. It's how you show yourself to be clueless at best, a douche canoe at worst.

47 jaunte  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:42:21pm

Houston Chronicle bending over backwards to be fair to Sen. Crapo, the "accused."

"Donaldson said he didn't immediately know what Crapo's blood alcohol level was, where he was coming from or the type of vehicle he was driving.

The 61-year-old Crapo (KRAY'-poh) has a Jan. 4 court date."

"It's CRAY-poh, dammit!"

48 jaunte  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:47:05pm
49 prairiefire  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:50:14pm

re: #47 jaunte

Houston Chronicle bending over backwards to be fair to Sen. Crapo, the "accused."

"It's CRAY-poh, dammit!"

Thank you, I was sure it was pronounced the other way.

50 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:03:45pm

I'm sick and tired of the ultimate rationalization that impeding a citizen's rights is the last stop gap before dictatorship. It's outdated and paranoid thinking.

51 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:05:03pm

re: #50 Kronocide

I'm sick and tired of the ultimate rationalization that impeding a citizen's rights is the last stop gap before dictatorship. It's outdated and paranoid thinking.

Please elaborate on that. I'm not clear what you are saying.

52 bratwurst  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:07:10pm

re: #13 Kragar

Romney ‘wanted to be president less than anyone,’ says son

I'm sure the Wingnuts will love this.

There is nothing about this story that I believe.

Not.
One.
Thing.

If you don't want to be president, you don't run for the office for seven years with virtually no pause. Obviously Tagg would like to be able to do something to help heal his father's heavily damaged reputation, but he is going to have to go back to the drawing board to come up with something that is REMOTELY believable.

53 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:07:48pm

Remove the 2nd Amendment = Germany, dictatorships, etc.

It's an article of faith, a truism. It's also intellectually lazy.

54 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:09:46pm

Evening lizards! I activated my new iPhone 5 and im loving it :). I have Verizon this time and I can finally get a signal here at home.

55 stabby  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:10:07pm

re: #53 Kronocide

Someone just quoted Paul Harvey selling that

sigh

56 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:12:04pm

It would seem more important for the populace to be active in politics and such than to just keep weapons in case the government that they elected to take care of one's business suddenly tries to take over.

Seems pretty far fetched that it would not happen merely because a populace was well armed: not to mention all the other transitions that needed to happen to assume real power. What's to assume many of those armed citizens did not become associated with this new dictatorship and merely become arms working for the new oppressive government?

57 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:13:05pm

re: #53 Kronocide

Remove the 2nd Amendment = Germany, dictatorships, etc.

It's an article of faith, a truism. It's also intellectually lazy.

It doesn't lead there, but it could be a step along the way.

58 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:14:49pm

re: #53 Kronocide

Remove the 2nd Amendment = Germany, dictatorships, etc.

It's an article of faith, a truism. It's also intellectually lazy.

They do find it convenient to forget that German citizens never lost the ability to own firearms. Lots of hunting firearms were collected by the Allies in the aftermath of the war.

Likewise they like to forget that insurgencies need explosives which have been tightly controlled for as long as full auto firearms.

Last is the fact that, historically, you're more likely to need your firearms to protect you against a far right government than a far left one. Oops!

59 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:14:59pm

Citizens should not have to justify to the government why they should be allowed to do or own something; Instead it is the government that should have to justify to the citizen why they should not do or own something.

60 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:15:25pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

It doesn't lead there, but it could be a step along the way.

I hope that's not the entirety of the rationale. We could be a step along the way with 270m guns in the hands of private citizens. You're assuming all those guns are only going to rise up against some potential oppressive government and not join up with that potential government.

61 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:20:23pm

re: #60 Kronocide

I hope that's not the entirety of the rationale. We could be a step along the way with 270m guns in the hands of private citizens. You're assuming all those guns are only going to rise up against some potential oppressive government and not join up with that potential government.

No, it's not the whole rationale. But you gave short statements and I was replying with the same type of statement.

62 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:22:50pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

No, it's not the whole rationale. But you gave short statements and I was replying with the same type of statement.

Well, I'm just getting started but must pull away soon. However, the concept that 270m guns in legal private ownership is the stop gap against oppression seems to be an article of faith.

I'm beginning to challenge it in my own mind. I merely ask that others do as well.

63 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:25:52pm

re: #54 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards! I activated my new iPhone 5 and im loving it :). I have Verizon this time and I can finally get a signal here at home.

My Lumia 920 is better than your iPhone. :P

64 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:26:04pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Citizens should not have to justify to the government why they should be allowed to do or own something; Instead it is the government that should have to justify to the citizen why they should not do or own something.

Government is by and for the people: therefore, justifications and allowances should be between citizens, government is merely there to enforce them.

Government is not an alternate entity to citizens. It is not the yin to the citizen yang.

65 freetoken  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:26:32pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Citizens should not have to justify to the government why they should be allowed to do or own something; Instead it is the government that should have to justify to the citizen why they should not do or own something.

Oh, that's an easy one - citizens should not own weapons of mass homicide like high capacity/automatic guns because those weapons are made for one thing - killing lots of people.

66 Kragar  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:39:22pm

Wife got some crab legs on sale yesterday.

The 9 year old has been going around with a claw in each hand saying "I AM THE CRAB NINJA!" and chasing her older sister around.

67 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:42:07pm

NRA logic.. Americans have a Constitutional right to own assault weapons so they can kill off police officers who attempt to confiscate those assault weapons.

68 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:47:50pm

re: #65 freetoken

Oh, that's an easy one - citizens should not own weapons of mass homicide like high capacity/automatic guns because those weapons are made for one thing - killing lots of people.

But you might miss with the first, ninth, or twenty-seventh round!

69 jaunte  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:49:26pm

Blues Cruise

Steaming past Guantánamo, en route to the Cayman Islands,
a boatload of Republicans ponder the plight of a party at sea.

Joe Hagan:

"...Who sent Obama here to destroy America?” a fiftysomething woman asked me one evening over dinner, as if it were a perfectly reasonable question. And here onboard the cruise ship, it was."

70 Kragar  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:51:52pm

re: #69 jaunte

Blues Cruise

Steaming past Guantánamo, en route to the Cayman Islands,
a boatload of Republicans ponder the plight of a party at sea.

Joe Hagan:

The Pentaverate, obviously.

71 Gus  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:53:47pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Citizens should not have to justify to the government why they should be allowed to do or own something; Instead it is the government that should have to justify to the citizen why they should not do or own something.

Anarchist!

72 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:57:16pm

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Synchronicity:

Physics and flowers.

73 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:58:03pm

re: #63 Four More Tears

My Lumia 920 is better than your iPhone. :P

But I have iCloud. I just have to figure out how to make it work with my iPad.

74 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:59:15pm

re: #52 bratwurst

There is nothing about this story that I believe.

Not.
One.
Thing.

If you don't want to be president, you don't run for the office for seven years with virtually no pause. Obviously Tagg would like to be able to do something to help heal his father's heavily damaged reputation, but he is going to have to go back to the drawing board to come up with something that is REMOTELY believable.

This.

Never mind that they were so convinced that moving into the White House was their 'destiny' that Ann went on a crying jag after the election, and they deluded themselves into thinking every national poll was wrong.

Nah, Mittens didn't want to be prez. Not at all.

My computer does not hold enough /

75 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:00:38pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

But I have iCloud. I just have to figure out how to make it work with my iPad.

We have SkyDrive. Google has Drive. Everyone has their own clouds nowadays.

76 gwangung  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:02:29pm

re: #75 Four More Tears

We have SkyDrive. Google has Drive. Everyone has their own clouds nowadays.

Um, "one of these things is not like the other...."

77 BongCrodny  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:03:28pm

re: #69 jaunte

Blues Cruise

Steaming past Guantánamo, en route to the Cayman Islands,
a boatload of Republicans ponder the plight of a party at sea.

It's nice to read such a heartwarming story this holiday season.

78 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:04:24pm

I actually have a genuine Uncle Paul and he was in rare form tonight at a family party. Sekrit Muslim! Benghazi! MOAR GUNZ! You read this stuff or see it on TV and it's one thing... But to have a true believer give you the sales pitch in person.. pure comedy. loved it.

79 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:05:01pm

re: #76 gwangung

Um, "one of these things is not like the other...."

Oh? Which one?

80 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:05:26pm

re: #74 makeitstop

Nah, Mittens didn't want to be prez. Not at all.

Those grapes are probably sour anyways.

81 freetoken  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:05:55pm

re: #69 jaunte

Blues Cruise

Steaming past Guantánamo, en route to the Cayman Islands,
a boatload of Republicans ponder the plight of a party at sea.

Joe Hagan:

From the article:

After drinks, we moved to the Manhattan Dining Room, an elegant two-story restaurant at the ship’s stern, where we would meet each evening, tabled with a different assortment of cruisers, sometimes hosted by writers and pundits from the National Review. Kevin Hassett, a former economic adviser to Mitt Romney, hosted my table of eight that night, arriving in a bright-green golf shirt and rimless glasses. He announced that this would be a “family” conversation in which he was the moderator.

Minorities came out like crazy,” said Hassett, sighing. “White people didn’t get to the polls. There are far more African-­Americans voting than they expected.”

“In Tampa,” noted Bobbie, a petite woman from Vero Beach, Florida, “they had lots and lots of lines.”

BROWN PEOPLE!!

82 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:07:39pm

Guns don't kill people, games do.
-NRA

83 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:09:24pm

Herd mentality must be respected - they'll stomp you otherwise.

Dec 14 picture of a gun store:
[Link: www.theliberalgunclub.com...]

Same store, 6 days later:
[Link: www.theliberalgunclub.com...]

I think I'll go look at flintlock kits over at Sitting Fox instead...

84 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:09:37pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Citizens should not have to justify to the government why they should be allowed to do or own something; Instead it is the government that should have to justify to the citizen why they should not do or own something.

Thousands of unnecessary deaths a year.

Twenty dead first graders.

85 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:09:57pm

re: #81 freetoken

From the article:

BROWN PEOPLE!!

First come, first serve, bitches. Try opening up more polling places next time.

86 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:11:25pm

re: #81 freetoken

BROWN PEOPLE!!

Hey Isaac, gimme another Rusty Nail, shaken not stirred..

87 freetoken  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:12:34pm

re: #69 jaunte

Blues Cruise

Steaming past Guantánamo, en route to the Cayman Islands,
a boatload of Republicans ponder the plight of a party at sea.

Joe Hagan:

Reading the whole article, it is very damning insight into that whole conservative/National Review scene.

88 jaunte  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:12:45pm
89 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:14:52pm

re: #69 jaunte

Blues Cruise

Steaming past Guantánamo, en route to the Cayman Islands,
a boatload of Republicans ponder the plight of a party at sea.

Joe Hagan:

More delusions of persecution and personal importance...

Hassett, with an oddly cheerful, Oh-What-My-Country-Has-Done-Now mien, predicted economic doom under Obama, the most likely scenario being another Great Depression, which would make 2008 look like a joyride.

That prompted a tall, extremely tanned blonde named Kay, from Old Greenwich, Connecticut, to ask Hassett, the co-­author of the 1999 book Dow 36,000, “So what do we do with our money?”

He recommended investing in real estate in another country, maybe in Central America somewhere. A woman to Kay’s right wrinkled her nose: How about a Western country? “Okay, if Europe is what you want, go to Poland,” he said optimistically. “Go to Krakow, buy a house for $50,000, and it’s going to be like Paris in a few years.”

As we drained the Pinot Noir, Hassett gave his audience the insider’s view of the Romney campaign, describing how its election-monitoring software crashed on November 6 and Obama was probably behind it, “because those guys are so evil.”

The table grumbled in assent.

“The thing we have to understand is, these are people who don’t have any morals,” said Hassett. “They’ll do anything. I’m one of their No. 1 targets. I mean, they really want me bad.”

“Well, you’re safe on this ship!” said Bobbie boldly.

90 jaunte  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:16:36pm

re: #89 watching you tiny alien kittens are

describing how its election-monitoring software crashed on November 6 and Obama was probably behind it, “because those guys are so evil.”

Crashing Hassett's software was the key to the whole win, of course.

91 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:18:01pm

Because Real Mericans™ Invest their money in Latin America and Poland, that is why they need more tax cuts, so that they can create more jobs (elsewhere).

92 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:21:33pm

re: #82 Varek Raith

Guns don't kill people, games do.
-NRA

Guns don't kill people, society does.

93 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:26:08pm

re: #92 austin_blue

Guns don't kill people, society does.

Guns don't kill people..people with guns kill people

94 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:26:58pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Citizens should not have to justify to the government why they should be allowed to do or own something; Instead it is the government that should have to justify to the citizen why they should not do or own something.

Oh, dear. you don't seem to grok the whole social compact thing. It's not us and them.

95 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:27:04pm
Instead, the cruisers milled around the cafeteria, lounged by the pool with their Grishams and Balduccis, or surfed the Internet in the Crow’s Nest lounge, a privilege that cost $1.25 a minute.

$1.25 a minute for wireless internet service? Remind me to never go on a cruise with these people. Ouch, all my cards would be maxed out by the time we got back to port.

96 Gus  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:27:20pm

re: #92 austin_blue

Guns don't kill people, society does.

Socialism!

97 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:28:30pm

re: #93 A Man for all Seasons

Guns don't kill people..people with guns kill people

Guns don't kill people.. Bad people with guns kill good people without guns.

98 Gus  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:29:21pm
99 stabby  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:29:24pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Citizens should not have to justify to the government why they should be allowed to do or own something; Instead it is the government that should have to justify to the citizen why they should not do or own something.

I agree with that.

But funny, right wingers will take that kind of attitude about guns and nothing else.

If it were up to me, I would support a constitutional amendment taking government out of the business of outlawing victimless crimes.

But I draw the line at harm to other people and certainly at death. Sometimes it's not enough to outlaw something, sometimes you have to adjust the environment so that people won't do something (like kill each other).

100 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:31:01pm

re: #93 A Man for all Seasons

Guns don't kill people..people with guns kill people

Guns don't kill people, small bits of lead traveling at supersonic speeds do.

101 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:31:56pm

re: #98 Gus

Image: QQ20121222-62.jpg

Proof that successful cat herding is not merely a myth!

102 Gus  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:32:50pm

re: #101 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Proof that successful cat herding is not merely a myth!

103 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:36:54pm

re: #102 Gus

[Embedded content]

That's cheating those are Zen Buddhist kitties, anyone can herd them!

104 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:37:03pm

re: #97 Mich-again

Guns don't kill people.. Bad people with guns kill good people without guns.

Seriously? Like, quoted directly from Wayne LaPierre seriously?

What the fuck.

105 Gus  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:38:08pm

re: #103 watching you tiny alien kittens are

That's cheating those are Zen Buddhist kitties, anyone can herd them!

My cat like powers are available right meow! /

106 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:38:41pm

re: #104 Renaissance_Man

Seriously? Like, quoted directly from Wayne LaPierre seriously?

What the fuck.

I assume some sarc tags were in order on that post, at least that is how I read it.

107 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:44:55pm

re: #104 Renaissance_Man

Seriously? Like, quoted directly from Wayne LaPierre seriously?

What the fuck.

Forgot the sarc tag, actually I figured that was so over the top it was beyond even needing one. If what Wayne LaPierre said was true soldiers and policemen would always be safe on the job.

108 jaunte  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:46:16pm

Science, once again found to be the enemy of wingnuts.

Silencing the Science on Gun Research

Arthur L. Kellermann, MD, MPH; Frederick P. Rivara, MD, MPH :

"...The nation might be in a better position to act if medical and public health researchers had continued to study these issues as diligently as some of us did between 1985 and 1997. But in 1996, pro-gun members of Congress mounted an all-out effort to eliminate the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Although they failed to defund the center, the House of Representatives removed $2.6 million from the CDC's budget—precisely the amount the agency had spent on firearm injury research the previous year. Funding was restored in joint conference committee, but the money was earmarked for traumatic brain injury. The effect was sharply reduced support for firearm injury research."

109 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:48:05pm

re: #108 jaunte

Science, once again found to be the enemy of wingnuts.

Silencing the Science on Gun Research

What me no worry. Yet another sad legacy of Gingrich's Speakership tho.

110 Gus  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:49:22pm

re: #108 jaunte

Science, once again found to be the enemy of wingnuts.

Silencing the Science on Gun Research

In states, banning pediatricians from asking question about gun ownership.

111 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:49:44pm

re: #69 jaunte

Blues Cruise

Steaming past Guantánamo, en route to the Cayman Islands,
a boatload of Republicans ponder the plight of a party at sea.

Isaac and Julie leading the dance on the Love Boat..

112 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:03:42pm
113 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:08:06pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

Now I'm going home, where I'll be able to view the video at the top.

That was nice. Everything looks better on this laptop than it does on the desktop at work.

114 Gus  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:18:08pm
115 Gus  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:28:52pm
116 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:43:36pm

Later, lizards.

117 ibob  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:47:04pm

re: #108 jaunte

Dr.Kellerman was in charge of the ER where I did my training as an intern. He was involved in a study at the time looking at the reasons for transfers between one ER and another. It was amazing how many doctors would admit outright the reason was due to lack of insurance while knowing they were being recorded. Dr.Kellerman very strongly believed in the patient's well being coming first and used the study findings to change the guidelines for transfers nationwide. I can imagine his response to the pro-gun people trying to interfere with research involving firearm injuries.

118 kirkspencer  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:05:00pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Citizens should not have to justify to the government why they should be allowed to do or own something; Instead it is the government that should have to justify to the citizen why they should not do or own something.

You mean like drive cars or practice medicine? Like having to stop a peanut butter factory because it's product is infected with salmonella?

The position you've stated is anarchy disguised as Randism. "The Man can't tell me what to do, what I can own."

119 Kragar  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:13:02pm

re: #82 Varek Raith

Guns don't kill people, games do.
-NRA

I've been playing Dead Island all day and I've felt no more urges to curb stomp a person than usual.

120 stabby  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:25:58pm

Worse anti-guncontrol argument ever, copied from PJMedia comment section:

17. Jeff1000

No one seems to bring this up, but how far would OWS zombies, or even union thugs have gone if Americans were disarmed? It’s not just the government we have to protect ourselves from.

121 Kragar  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:28:38pm
122 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:37:58pm

re: #89 watching you tiny alien kittens are

He recommended investing in real estate in another country, maybe in Central America somewhere. A woman to Kay’s right wrinkled her nose: How about a Western country? “Okay, if Europe is what you want, go to Poland,” he said optimistically.

Silly me. All this time I thought "western" had to do with one of the cardinal directions, when it was actually a measurement of a country's per capita melanin level. The things you learn on cruises...

123 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:47:25pm

re: #97 Mich-again

Guns don't kill people.. Bad people with guns kill good people without guns.

I don't think the NRA believes that's possible. It's like the vikings, if you don't die with a weapon in your hands, you don't get to go to Gunhalla. Anyone who voluntarily goes around unarmed is exhibiting a serious moral failing.

124 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:52:26pm

I totally buy the assertion that Mitt really didn't want to be president. You have to admit it handily explains why he spent the last four years locating and grooming a better conservative candidate for president instead of working on putting together his own campaign.

125 stabby  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:55:49pm

re: #124 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

The zombie eye'd granny starver? Romney's own Sarah Palin? The man with policies so repulsive that they stained Romney's pristine lack of position and insured that he could never win? That "better conservative candidate?"

126 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:58:45pm

More proof that we need more corporate tax cuts immediately in order to spur increased hiring... ///

Turning the Corner: Why 2012 Wasn't as Bad as You Think

5. Corporations prospered like never before
After-tax corporate profits hit an all-time high in July, up 19% from the year before and nearly threefold over the last decade. As a share of GDP, corporate profits are now at the highest level since records began in the 1940s. S&P 500 dividend payments are also at an all-time high. It's a great time to be an investor.

127 Kragar  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:00:42am

re: #126 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Demand for goods and services don't create jobs, tax cuts do.
/

128 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:09:24am

re: #125 stabby

Better is a relative term.

Besides, I wasn't really thinking of them, I was thinking of finding some up-and-comer and spending a couple years building up his profile and national credibility. Obama went from the back bench to the top of the ticket pretty quickly, I imagine a man with Romney's money and connections could help a similar process along for a conservative candidate. You know, if he was really more interested in having a good candidate than in running for the office himself.

p.s. Based on you avatar, you may or may not find this amusing:

129 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:12:32am

re: #127 Kragar

Demand for goods and services don't create jobs, tax cuts do.
/

It's a damn shame that Romney didn't win the election, only he might have saved the poor struggling corporations from being taxed out of existence. Now I guess their only option is keep laying people off and cutting wages and benefits, you democrats have brought this on yourselves!

///

130 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:19:01am

re: #128 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Must restore my honor!

131 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:20:00am

Actually I never watched more than 2 episodes of Azumanga daiyo, I just wanted an avitar that was stabbing >.>

132 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:25:25am

Anyway if Romney didn't want to the Presidency he wouldn't have bought it.

He paid for it, it's his, just ask him. And that damn Obama stole it from him by promising to preserve stuff for regular people instead of just promising huge tax cuts to the rich and money to the military at everyone else's expense.

Doesn't Obama know that only the wealthy deserve to be bribed by a presidential candidate?

133 researchok  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:26:09am

Morning, all

134 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:30:25am

Damn, remember when I posted homicide rates by country (and the US didn't fair that well, though not as badly as gun only homicide rates would imply). For instance 5 times worse than Italy, 4 times worse then the UK, 7 times worse than Japan and Austria, 2.5 times worse than Canada...

I posted the same things a couple places at PJ Media.

One answer i just got:

Art Chance

Norm the stats for race, ignorant lefty punk.

Beautiful, just beautiful.

135 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:35:32am

Though we should be aware of their better arguments (which may be lies - I'll look that up after christmas), such as that these countries have higher rape and assault figures.

136 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:36:46am

re: #134 stabby

Art Chance

Norm the stats for race, ignorant lefty punk.

Minority outreach!

137 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:46:17am

Another argument I got was that violence is caused by children of unwed mothers and blacks...

Apparently you have to collect statistics on sluts and inferior races to even be able to argue with conservatives because they're obsesses with those.

I feel like I'm wading into shit.

138 Kragar  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 2:01:47am

re: #134 stabby

Can we normalize by gun ownership?

139 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 2:06:21am

good night

140 freetoken  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 2:08:14am
141 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 2:09:03am

re: #138 Kragar

Can we normalize by gun ownership?

だめ!* (pronounced dah-meh)

*Japanese for "No!" or "Forbidden!" as an order.

142 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 2:16:00am

re: #138 Kragar

Also I just responded with your question.

I may be banned though. No one get's banned for "lefty punk" but I called him a "swivel eyed racist creep". That ought to push the oh-so-wronged-helpless-white-man button that everyone there has honed to the point of exquisite sensitive torture.

143 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 2:17:22am

"Norm the stats by race"? Alright, here's a simple one: The majority of mass shootings have been performed by white people, primarily white male teens coming from middle class families living in small towns.

Ergo, white people be crazy.//

144 researchok  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 2:20:52am

re: #140 freetoken

Timeless.

145 efuseakay  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 2:59:53am

re: #13 Kragar

Romney ‘wanted to be president less than anyone,’ says son

I'm sure the Wingnuts will love this.

Not true. Remember when Romney called his kids a bunch of liars?

146 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 3:02:10am

I Wish I Was The Moon

147 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 3:14:32am

What is this...I don't even???

The key isn’t for gays not to act on their desires, it’s for their desires to change. How is that possible? I believe in some cases it’s posture. You see how gays hold books, cigarettes, etc? Very awkward feeling for a straight guy unless he slouches and extends his belly out. I think if we are taught to stand up straight when young and warned about the consequences we would reduce gay desires, at least among boys. Other benefits: Try to make your center of gravity on your back just below your armpits (by sticking your back out slightly at that point). You can pick up heavier items and can tolerate cold weather better.

A freeper has discovered that the "cure for gayness" is...better posture?

148 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 3:23:50am

re: #147 watching you tiny alien kittens are

It's a wonderful thing when these people try to think. Have you ever, in your entire life, seen a mind less equipped for the basics of thought? There are toddlers who are sharper.

149 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 3:25:52am

re: #147 watching you tiny alien kittens are

What is this...I don't even???

A freeper has discovered that the "cure for gayness" is...better posture?

Most gay guys I know have much better posture than average, partially because most gay guys I know are in better shape than the average guy.

150 dragonath  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:04:28am

When I first read this topic's video title, I thought it was going to be a Percy Dovetonsils skit.

151 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:08:29am

re: #147 watching you tiny alien kittens are

What is this...I don't even???

A freeper has discovered that the cure for gayness is...better posture?

If I had a nickel for every "cure" I've heard for homosexuality, I'd die a rich man.

152 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:30:10am

I wish I could sleep.

Roger L Simon has a post up saying that both conservatives and the Republican party need to "rebrand".. I responded that Republicans are communicating quite well, that the problem is having destructive policies not being misunderstood. I said that if "conservative" ever meant "preserving our institutions" then the current batch of radicals are the opposite of what conservative used to mean. I pointed to when Obama was polling behind "generic Republican" but ahead of all of the actual Republican candidates and said that this means that the public can still remember an adult Republican party, but that no one at PJ Media has the adult values. I said the solution is to change the party's values to adult ones and to replace the damn birchers at PJ Media with adults...

So after 5 hours he deleted all my comments and banned me from his threads... :)

153 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:33:21am

Heh, and he has a commenter say that all would be well if Michelle Bauchmann and Sarah Palin were in charge instead of John Boehner.

Good luck you dummies, you're gonna need it.

154 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:34:40am

Oh wtf, my comments are back....
is that even possible?

155 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:35:13am

re: #153 stabby

Heh, and he has a commenter say that all would be well if Michelle Bauchmann and Sarah Palin were in charge instead of John Boehner.

Good luck you dummies, you're gonna need it.

Not the funniest thing I've heard so far. The Breitbartians are talking of barely-secret coup in the works amongst the House GOP. The suggested replacement? Paul Ryan.

156 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:35:42am

re: #153 stabby

Heh, and he has a commenter say that all would be well if Michelle Bauchmann and Sarah Palin were in charge instead of John Boehner.

Good luck you dummies, you're gonna need it.

Michelle Bachmann couldn't handle budget negotiations if her life depended on. She's a fanatic, whom Congress would be better off without. And I said that last back in 2010.

157 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:36:37am

I swear to God they deleted then UNDELETED 6 comments... Maybe it's the famed PJMedia lag where one of their servers hasn't got the delete command yet. We'll see if I'm gone again in 5 minutes.

158 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:38:37am

re: #155 Targetpractice

Not the funniest thing I've heard so far. The Breitbartians are talking of barely-secret coup in the works amongst the House GOP. The suggested repalcement? Paul Ryan.

Ryan has been pretty clear he's not going to go along with such a thing. Even if Boehner got pitched, Ryan couldn't replace him, simply because Obama couldn't negotiate with Paul Ryan after all the time his campaign spent attacking Ryan during the election without Obama's own base feeling betrayed.

Paul Ryan would probably like to be House Speaker, but he knows he can't do that job right now.

159 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:39:02am

Before it goes away again I liked this phrase of mine: "Sounds like you’re looking for the immaculate election, you know, the one that God will make you win without actually receiving any votes."

160 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:39:52am

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Ryan has been pretty clear he's not going to go along with such a thing. Even if Boehner got pitched, Ryan couldn't replace him, simply because Obama couldn't negotiate with Paul Ryan after all the time his campaign spent attacking Ryan during the election without Obama's own base feeling betrayed.

Paul Ryan would probably like to be House Speaker, but he knows he can't do that job right now.

From all appearances, the GOP's not interested in negotiations of any sort.

161 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:41:58am

re: #160 Targetpractice

They've gerrymandered themselves out of being able to govern.

If they make a deal they risk their primaries and if they can't they can't win the presidency and senate.

So they'll never win the presidency and senate again, because like hell any Rep is going to risk the primary.

162 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:44:45am

Someone complained about a "permanent fracture line dividing two kinds of America" and I wrote:

I still remember listening to Patrick Buchanan give that speech at the RNC, you know the one everyone is so ashamed of that no honest, uncensored versions exist not even on paper.

In the same speech that got an ovation for calling for a “cultural war” he said “you don’t give those people Head Start programs you send them to jail!” And in those words he said that black preschoolers belong in jail… And don’t pretend it didn’t happen, Pat got booted from the party right after that for a reason, he was an embarrassment. But he also got an ovation, he also started something.

The “culture war” has that very filthy birth.

So if there’s “a permanent fracture line dividing two kinds of America” then who’s God d*mn fault is it?

163 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:46:18am

The CBC program "as it happens" put Buchanan's speech into a segment called "for the record" where they just played the speech without any comment. They knew it would be totally shocking to a Canadian audience. What was there to say anyway?

164 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:47:53am

re: #161 stabby

They've gerrymandered themselves out of being able to govern.

If they make a deal they risk their primaries and if they can't they can't win the presidency and senate.

So they'll never win the presidency and senate again, because like hell any Rep is going to risk the primary.

Ayep, creating all those "safe" districts has resulted in a scenario where it takes just a handful of crazies to sink an incumbent's chances while ensuring the loony still have a strong chance on Election Day.

165 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:52:36am

Now it's clear why there's been no budget while Obama is president.

The nuts took the house and authorization for spending has to originate in the house.

The tea party thought it had taken over the government that way, that this was the end of all "entitlements" and that this would start a race war. Sometimes in PJMedia's comment section a few years ago you could find them talking about stocking up on bullets for that.

But Obama just kept the government running on the authorizations made by previous congresses and made no new budget.

In the long run this is very dysfunctional. And there is no end in sight. Not till we get gerrymandered in the NEXT census right?

166 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:54:43am

:) it took them 15 minutes but my comments are all deleted again.

It was the PJ lag. Simon really did delete me.

167 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:00:02am

re: #165 stabby

What I think is needed is citizen's action against gerrymandering. People need to be educated about just how low and dishonest it is and intense pressure needs to be put on state legislatures to abolish it. What we need is a fairer redistricting process that allocates seats based on areas and to some extent economic interests.

168 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:03:01am

I suppose their server programmer should be mocked. My comments appear and disappear at random. It's been 20 minutes and their servers still aren't synced.

169 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:05:36am

re: #168 stabby

I suppose their server programmer should be mocked. My comments appear and disappear at random. It's been 20 minutes and their servers still aren't synced.

Get some screenshots and send them to Charles. He enjoys laughing at those goobers.

170 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:05:40am

re: #134 stabby

Damn, remember when I posted homicide rates by country (and the US didn't fair that well, though not as badly as gun only homicide rates would imply). For instance 5 times worse than Italy, 4 times worse then the UK, 7 times worse than Japan and Austria, 2.5 times worse than Canada...

I posted the same things a couple places at PJ Media.

One answer i just got:

Art Chance

Norm the stats for race, ignorant lefty punk.

Beautiful, just beautiful.

Art Chance is an old Redstate regular - former Alaskan Republican operative or somesuch.

As for the statement about higher rates of assault and rapes, they are, predictably, false. Other countries have different definitions of the above crimes - the Gun cultists compare aggravated assaults in the US with simple assaults everywhere else, for instance. Canada and Australia also define sexual assaults differently, and thus a charge of indecent contact is compared to aggravated sexual assaults in the US.

Again, research demonstrates that presence of guns has no significant impact on other kinds of crimes other than homicides and assaults with firearm.

171 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:07:40am

re: #170 Renaissance_Man

Someone just pointed that out on the thread on pj, that none of Austrailia's definitions for sexual assault and rape match any of America's definitions even slightly.

172 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:08:56am

re: #171 stabby

Someone just pointed that out on the thread on pj, that none of Austrailia's definitions for sexual assault and rape match any of America's definitions even slightly.

Clearly lefty lies.

173 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:09:19am

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

too much trouble for 5 am

but it is funny that the "number of comments" field on the main page tends to lag by 15 minutes or so.

174 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:16:02am

More shocking new in the war on Christmas...

Vandals draw Hitler mustache on baby Jesus in nativity scene

Police on Sunday were searching for the person or people responsible for vandalizing Nativity scenes at a Catholic church and a home in a Southern California city.

Someone misspelled "Hail (sic) Hitler" and drew a Hitler mustache on the baby Jesus outside a home in Huntington Beach, police said.

They also put a Nazi symbol on one of the wise men with a black pen.

Sounds as though the guerrilla in the anti-Christmas "war" they are looking for is probably about 9-13 years old though, and also likes to outrage troll people.

175 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:16:52am

re: #172 Renaissance_Man

If you have a brain and you're at PJ then you're a socialist troll!

I used to say that the tea party wasn't really right wing, that it was a revolt by stupid people who feel exploited (but can't figure out by who) against all ideas that came from people smarter than themselves.

I was half right.

They are all breathtakingly stupid.

But they've succeeded in defining "right" to be the Bircher right not the William F. Buckley right. It turns out that the difference between the two was more cosmetic than you'd think anyway. There is no intelligent right in the United States, period. None. Unless you're going to call Andrew Sullivan a conservative, and he's the only person who calls him that, there's not a single member.

And they're not feeling exploited, they're feeling offended by the existence of most of the population. And they're paranoid, and they're more full of hatred than twinkies were full of fat.

176 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:17:49am

re: #171 stabby

Someone just pointed that out on the thread on pj, that none of Austrailia's definitions for sexual assault and rape match any of America's definitions even slightly.

Reminds me of the discussion I had the other day, where I pointed out that Japan's homicide rate is a fraction of ours. The response? "Crime is on the rise in Japan!" I had to point out that most of that is white-collar crime, guys ripping off their companies and so forth.

177 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:17:51am

re: #174 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I can't wait until Fox News' greatest enemy is 4chan. They're at the same level of maturity anyway.

178 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:21:20am

re: #175 stabby

There is no intelligent right in the United States, period.

That line merits a downding.

179 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:22:30am

re: #175 stabby

If you have a brain and you're at PJ then you're a socialist troll!

I used to say that the tea party wasn't really right wing, that it was a revolt by stupid people who feel exploited (but can't figure out by who) against all ideas that came from people smarter than themselves.

I was half right.

They are all breathtakingly stupid.

But they've succeeded in defining "right" to be the Bircher right not the William F. Buckley right. It turns out that the difference between the two was more cosmetic than you'd think anyway. There is no intelligent right in the United States, period. None. Unless you're going to call Andrew Sullivan a conservative, and he's the only person who calls him that, there's not a single member.

And they're not feeling exploited, they're feeling offended by the existence of most of the population. And they're paranoid, and they're more full of hatred than twinkies were full of fat.

American 'Conservatives' are, simply put, not conservative.

Conservatism implies restraint and, most importantly, a profound scepticism. It implies that you are slow to endorse the fad of the week until the facts are in, that you are cautious about accepting new ideas at face value. There is nothing at all about American Conservatives that is sceptical. These people are wild-eyed conspiracy theorists who accept anything as long as it matches their prejudgements, and base opinions not on facts, but on their emotional attachments. They are nothing more than radicals.

180 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:23:37am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

:)
I don't mind the downding.

Sadly you can't find me any evidence of an intelligent leader on the right. Of an intelligent pundit.

I can remember some right wing people I respected in Canada. Catholics for some reason. I can't think of even one in the US.

181 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:24:55am

re: #179 Renaissance_Man

American 'Conservatives' are, simply put, not conservative.

Conservatism implies restraint and, most importantly, a profound scepticism. It implies that you are slow to endorse the fad of the week until the facts are in, that you are cautious about accepting new ideas at face value. There is nothing at all about American Conservatives that is sceptical. These people are wild-eyed conspiracy theorists who accept anything as long as it matches their prejudgements, and base opinions not on facts, but on their emotional attachments. They are nothing more than radicals.

And that merits and upding and a "favorited"

182 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:25:49am

Breaking news, Webster NY:

People Shot at Scene of Webster Fire

Webster, N.Y. -- 13WHAM News has learned that at least one firefighter has been shot at the scene of a fire on Lake Road in Webster.

The fire is at 191 Lake Road near Bay Road. A source tells 13WHAM News that an unknown gunman opened fire on fire crews on the scene.

The wounded firefighter was taken to Strong Memorial Hospital by Mercy Flight. The fire has now spread to a second house.

13WHAM has several crews converging on the scene and will provide updates as they're available.

Sheriff’s deputies, SWAT team at Webster home

Canandaigua, N.Y. —
Police have swarmed an area on Lake Road near the Outlet Bridge in Webster.

Emergency crews were originally called to the area for the report of a structure fire.

Currently, Monroe County sheriff's deputies and the SWAT team are on scene, along with multiple fire crews.

Messenger Post newspartner News10NBC is on scene and working to get information more information.

183 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:27:09am

Note they're still not synced. Clearly the "delete" command made it to one database and not the other and it will never be resolved.

184 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:27:39am
185 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:29:28am

You know, doesn't running a website off two copies of a database imply that you don't know the purpose of SQL?

186 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:31:00am

re: #184 Targetpractice

WTF?!

The gunman is likely the one who started the fire or someone associated with him. This is possibly a gang, trying to keep a fire from being doused before it burns something they want burned, or some form of terrorist who sought to attack first responders. This isn't the M.O. of an "active shooter".

187 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:31:58am

re: #185 stabby

You know, doesn't running a website off two copies of a database imply that you don't know the purpose of SQL?

Pajamas Media lost its best programer when Charles left. They've never really found someone to replace him and it shows.

188 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:43:25am

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

The gunman is likely the one who started the fire or someone associated with him. This is possibly a gang, trying to keep a fire from being doused before it burns something they want burned, or some form of terrorist who sought to attack first responders. This isn't the M.O. of an "active shooter".

We're talking small town America, which sort of brings doubt on it being a gang. And wouldn't there be enough overlap in "terrorist" and "active shooter" to make them hard to distinguish?

189 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:43:30am

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

The gunman is likely the one who started the fire or someone associated with him. This is possibly a gang, trying to keep a fire from being doused before it burns something they want burned, or some form of terrorist who sought to attack first responders. This isn't the M.O. of an "active shooter".

It might just be stored ammo cooking off in the fire. A couple of years LA cops raided a house on a stolen goods warrant and found that it contained a million rounds of ammunition. Place would have gone up like a volcano in a fire. At this point, we just don't know.

190 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:44:48am

Orson Scott Card used to be my idea of a socially conservative person who I respected. He's a Democrat but still a Catholic who is conservative about some things.

But I think he went off the deep end with ODS. It was totally unexpected. I have trouble understanding why people do that. He's hardly the only one.

He is such a smart person, but whatever emotion makes people fall for these obsessions makes them say stupid stupid things, even if they're OSC.

191 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:46:59am

re: #188 Targetpractice

We're talking small town America, which sort of brings doubt on it being a gang. And wouldn't there be enough overlap in "terrorist" and "active shooter" to make them hard to distinguish?

By "active shooter" I mean the kind of personal rage-filled figure we see involved in workplace and school shootings. "Terrorists", by contrast, are driven by an cause larger than themselves.

192 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:49:57am

re: #190 stabby

Orson Scott Card used to be my idea of a socially conservative person who I respected. He's a Democrat but still a Catholic who is conservative about some things.

He's a Mormon.

193 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:50:04am

Good morning lizards!

Image: Lizard-Santa-Christmas.jpg

194 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:51:04am

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

By "active shooter" I mean the kind of personal rage-filled figure we see involved in workplace and school shootings. "Terrorists", by contrast, are driven by an cause larger than themselves.

And yet, "active shooters" of late have started to show a level of planning and coordination that sort of contradicts the image of the stereotypical "crazed gunman."

195 dragonath  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:51:18am

re: #190 stabby

Orson Scott Card used to be my idea of a socially conservative person who I respected. He's a Democrat but still a Catholic who is conservative about some things.

But I think he went off the deep end with ODS. It was totally unexpected. I have trouble understanding why people do that. He's hardly the only one.

He is such a smart person, but whatever emotion makes people fall for these obsessions makes them say stupid stupid things, even if they're OSC.

???

He's a Mormon, and IIRC, a rabid homophobe.

196 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:54:06am

Oh right mormon.

some religion other, they all kind of seem the same to me.

And yeah he did eventually get into the homophobia thing. I stopped reading him years ago when he went off the deep end, so it faded from my memory.

He seemed cool for a few years before that.

Maybe that's the trajectory of conservative bloggers. They seem cool for a few years then get into ever more angry, paranoid derps.

197 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:54:42am

But he's also a very good novelist.

198 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:05:40am

re: #182 Shiplord Kirel

Breaking news, Webster NY:

People Shot at Scene of Webster Fire

Sheriff’s deputies, SWAT team at Webster home

News 10 Rochester says two firefighters were injured and has a video report here...

[Link: www.whec.com...]

199 TDG2112  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:12:24am

Charles,
I loved this! Feynman is someone I'm only starting to get into.

But another aspect of science and culture is Neal deGrasse Tyson's little add on to the end of his 2006 presentation at Beyond Beleif. On Youtube it's dubbed the "Greatest Sermon Ever."

Neal just let's it all out on the joys of being a scientist:

200 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:13:39am

re: #197 stabby

But he's also a very good novelist.

He wrote one good book.

201 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:21:09am

re: #194 Targetpractice

And yet, "active shooters" of late have started to show a level of planning and coordination that sort of contradicts the image of the stereotypical "crazed gunman."

They often plan attacks, but where do you see coordination?

202 William of Orange  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:21:47am

Just read that the weapons lobby started a petition to get Piers Morgan off the air from CNN. He's a fierce anti-weapons guy and burst from the screen in an exchange with some stupid lobbyists. It was fireworks.

Note to CNN:
Never give in to this! This is exactly why Foxnews is such a success in their raitings. Pissing off others like us, and now the shoe is on the other foot. In other words; keeping Morgan on the air is ratings gold!

If you ever want to be a relevant channel again, you'll need to stir up the beehive!

203 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:24:02am

I read "Red Prophet", "Ender's game" and "speaker for the dead"

I'm too tired to talk about why I think Red Prophet was an interesting satire.

204 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:29:34am

MSNBC just did a short update on Webster on the TV. They are saying that three homes and a vehicle are now involved in the fire but firefighters are going to let it burn out rather than enter the area.

Still no news about what happened but they said that shots were fired as soon as firefighters arrived on scene. One firefighter was shot in the buttocks and is in the hospital, there was no mention of the condition of the second firefighter that they say was hit.

205 William of Orange  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:31:21am

Oh, and merry Christmas.... or Holidays.

206 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:34:13am

President Obama was voted Most Intriguing Person of 2012 by CNN.com readers. Pakistani teen Malala Yousufzai was second.

207 William of Orange  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:34:40am

re: #204 watching you tiny alien kittens are

This is sick....


NRA answer: ARM THE FIREBRIGADES!!!!11

208 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:35:42am

re: #207 William of Orange

Heh, run into a burning building with a belt of bullets around your neck.

209 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:39:07am
210 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:42:22am

re: #207 William of Orange

This is sick....

NRA answer: ARM THE FIREBRIGADES!!!!11

Actually, they'd advocate police action to find and arrest the shooters, plus armed police escort for the firefighters if needed (it used to be needed in New York City in the waning day of Mayor Lindsey's time in office and under Abe Beame. That was part of the reason arson fires often spread since firefighters couldn't safely enter the areas on fire. That trouble for the FDNY was largely ended during the early years of Ed Koch's time in office.).

211 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:48:44am

David Sedaris' classic memoir of a Macy's Christmas elf

[Link: www.npr.org...]

212 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:52:17am

re: #209 NJDhockeyfan

[Link: www.google.com...]

Good choice. It's an interesting piece, unlike the retrends and anodyne pablum you mostly see of post-60's christmas recordings. Queen did an original song, though one I know without checking was written by Freddie Mercury, as it works into his fitting of passion into music. He was by now means unique in that last, but he uses that angle effectively here.

213 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:54:27am

A neighborhood dog has befriended my dogs, ate all their food,and has set up camp in their doghouse.

214 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 6:59:36am

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Interesting snippet there.

215 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:01:20am

re: #203 stabby

I read "Red Prophet", "Ender's game" and "speaker for the dead"

I'm too tired to talk about why I think Red Prophet was an interesting satire.

It wasn't satire.

216 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:01:56am

News update, MSNBC just said on TV that two firefighters were killed and two others injured in the shooting at Webster.

So now we have four shot with two deceased.

217 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:03:04am

They're at it again.....
Timbuktu mausoleums 'destroyed'

The Salafists of Ansar Dine condemn the veneration of saints.

"Allah doesn't like it," said Abou Dardar. "We are in the process of smashing all the hidden mausoleums in the area."

Islamists seized control of Timbuktu in April, after a coup left Mali's army in disarray.

The news that further monuments were being destroyed came one day after Islamists were reported to have cut the hands off two people.

The Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa, another Islamist group operating in the area, warned that there would be further amputations, AFP reported.

218 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:08:36am

More soldier suicides than combat deaths in 2012

More measures may be on the way:

A bipartisan group of 36 lawmakers is pushing for new rules allowing military commanders and mental health specialists to ask unstable troops whether they own any personal firearms; lawmakers from both the House and the Senate are working on a final compromise version of the legislation.
Gun rights advocates have opposed the idea, saying it could lead to commanders intimidating some individuals into giving up personal weapons.

This is insanity.

219 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:10:41am

re: #217 Killgore Trout

They're at it again still....

ftfy

220 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:13:43am

Sigh...this is probably going to turn out to be another suicidal loon who decided to take others with him. The shooter is most likely dead in the first home that was on fire.

News10NBC has learned that four firefighters have been shot, two of them were killed, after an incident on Lake Road near the Outlet Bridge.

The other two firefighters are at Strong Hospital in guarded condition.

Emergency crews were originally called to the area for the report of a structure fire on Lake Road at 6:00am. As they arrived to the fire, there was gunfire.

Right now, three homes and a vehicle are burning. Firefighters are now attacking the fire. The homes are both occupied and unoccupied homes.

221 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:14:02am

re: #217 Killgore Trout

They're at it again.....
Timbuktu mausoleums 'destroyed'

They only stopped temporarily until they could recruit enough gun-wielders to overwhelm and kill the tribal elders who had objected to the demolitions. I use the term 'gun-wielders' instead of 'gunmen' because many of those pressed into Islamist service (according to the Guardian) are just younger teenagers of around 13-14, some of whom are forced to rape women of the elders' families as a means of breaking resistance and forcing the conscripts to commit crimes from which they cannot go back.

So we have the Islamists destroying symbols of the past, eliminating any competing source of authority, and forcing teens herded into their service at gunpoint to rape women in order to turn them into monsters. It's 1984 with Joseph Kony as big Brother.

222 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:15:54am

FREE THE IKEA 1

[Link: rt.com...]

'IKEA monkey' to celebrate Christmas behind bars of animal sanctuary

223 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:17:37am

IF only the firefighters had guns.

224 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:17:54am

re: #220 watching you tiny alien kittens are

LINKY

[Link: www.13wham.com...]

225 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:19:20am

re: #222 sattv4u2

FREE THE IKEA 1

[Link: rt.com...]

'IKEA monkey' to celebrate Christmas behind bars of animal sanctuary

Where he will be kept company by IKEA Kitteh.

226 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:24:40am

re: #218 Kronocide

More soldier suicides than combat deaths in 2012

More measures may be on the way:

This is insanity.

Any such risks of intimidation are outweighed by the risks of someone who is unstable having ready access to a gun.

What I'd do is twofold (No. 1 might already be done):

1. Set up a classification system to distinguish between who really is a risk and others who might be under great stress but who aren't a risk to themselves or others.

2. If someone is of real concern, there should be a system for that person depositing their gun(s) with the provost martial for safekeeping while they get the help they need.

The above measures do not apply to someone who requires inpatient psychiatric care. A person requiring that sort of care is disallowed from owning firearms under federal law, a position that the NRA affirmed on Friday, so they cannot object to it.

Frankly though, I doubt the NRA will raise any further objections to such a bill in the wake of Newtown. They made a big enough deal over mental illness that to oppose it would be obvious hypocrisy.

227 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:35:07am

I shouldn't be awake.. but oh god that thread.

More agreement that what America needs is Michelle Bauchmann or Sarah Palin.

Apparently the PJ crowd's idea of a plan is to wait for civilization to end and then we'll all come back to the nutcase conservatives begging begging!

I don't think they think that will take more than a decade.

You see, tyranny won!

228 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:36:35am

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

we overworked the hell out of them

How's this for a solution, no more wars.

229 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:38:30am

If you want to see all of the brains on PJ failing at once, here's your thread.

[Link: pjmedia.com...]

Also the deletion of my comments finally failed, though the ban stuck.

230 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:41:30am

re: #228 stabby

we overworked the hell out of them

How's this for a solution, no more wars.

That's not all our call. Nations don't always get to pick and choose where and when they have to fight.

231 Mattand  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:42:22am

Just heard this on KYW 1060 out of Philly: four firefighters shot, two killed, responding to a call in Rochester, NY.

Fuck you, NRA. Seriously.

232 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:42:23am

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

How about if we DON'T invade Iran or Syria.

233 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:43:10am

re: #232 stabby

How about if we DON'T invade Iran or Syria.

I don't know of anyone advocating doing that.

234 Mattand  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:43:21am

re: #231 Mattand

[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

235 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:44:14am

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

There were those unknown losers who campaigned for the Presidency.

236 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:44:56am

re: #235 stabby

There were those unknown losers who campaigned for the Presidency.

I didn't hear talk of ground troops from them.

237 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:46:41am

re: #231 Mattand

#220 and #224

238 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:48:34am

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

I didn't hear talk of ground troops from them.

Me either

And if something is done wrt Syria/ Iran it will be with the approval of the current CIC regardless of what "unknown losers" may have said back in the summer

239 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:50:18am

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

The above measures do not apply to someone who requires inpatient psychiatric care. A person requiring that sort of care is disallowed from owning firearms under federal law, a position that the NRA affirmed on Friday, so they cannot object to it.

Frankly though, I doubt the NRA will raise any further objections to such a bill in the wake of Newtown. They made a big enough deal over mental illness that to oppose it would be obvious hypocrisy.

After the latest evil rant, it should not matter to any sane person or nation what the NRA objects to ever again.

240 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 7:52:15am

re: #239 Renaissance_Man

After the latest evil rant, it should not matter to any sane person or nation what the NRA objects to ever again.

As long as the NRA has significant power, it will matter, if only because the opinion of those with significant power matters.

241 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:01:43am

Amazing the things you find in the refrigerator when you pull everything out.

242 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:03:23am

re: #241 NJDhockeyfan

Amazing the things you find in the refrigerator when you pull everything out.

Jeffery Dahlmer, is that you??

243 Mattand  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:06:32am

re: #237 sattv4u2

#220 and #224

People here are pretty quick when it comes to breaking news. My "fuck you" to the NRA still stands.

244 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:08:28am

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

As long as the NRA has significant power, it will matter, if only because the opinion of those with significant power matters.

They may have crossed the line this time. I know an old retired Army 1st Sgt who is renouncing his lifetime membership and demanding his dues back for breech of contract.

245 dragonath  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:09:54am

People are openly insulting the NRA even on Yahoo, so there's that.

246 Mattand  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:13:35am

re: #244 William Barnett-Lewis

They may have crossed the line this time. I know an old retired Army 1st Sgt who is renouncing his lifetime membership and demanding his dues back for breech of contract.

It's going to take a mass exodus of people like your Army bud to have any significant change in current NRA culture.

There's enough people who think the scary black man in the White House wants their precious boomsticks to prevent that from ever happening.

247 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:13:36am

I've been spending the past two weeks updating the Zionist Mall because one of my primary vendors changed their linking code and broke like half the products.

So buy something! I have to pay me for all this work!

248 Mattand  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:14:43am

re: #241 NJDhockeyfan

Amazing the things you find in the refrigerator when you pull everything out.

Cleaned out my dad's fridge recently to discover a container of Florida brown (formerly orange) juice.

249 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:20:58am

re: #248 Mattand

Cleaned out my dad's fridge recently to discover a container of Florida brown (formerly orange) juice.

I hear once it does that it is as potent as the 'frog licking' juice. Try it and let us know.

// Beware, your dog will acquire Martha Stewart's head.
h/t to Big Trouble

250 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:21:48am

re: #244 William Barnett-Lewis

They may have crossed the line this time. I know an old retired Army 1st Sgt who is renouncing his lifetime membership and demanding his dues back for breech of contract.

Ask him not to do that. We need sane people to stay in the NRA to counter the crazies. Your buddy needs to get together with others who agree with him and elect a sane person to the NRA's board of directors.

251 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:31:36am

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

Ask him not to do that. We need sane people to stay in the NRA to counter the crazies. Your buddy needs to get together with others who agree with him and elect a sane person to the NRA's board of directors.

One could argue the same thing about the Republican party. They need sane people, but they keep rejecting any type of discussion on serious issues. Methinks it's too late for either. They must destroy themselves and start over.

252 William of Orange  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:32:18am

I don't know about you but this is getting to be some fucked up Christmas...


20 kids shot and now two firemen. And all Foxnews can talk about is the war on Christmas. News, to Fox; people are actually dying this Christmas!

Get your head out of your ass!!!

253 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:36:05am

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

Ask him not to do that. We need sane people to stay in the NRA to counter the crazies. Your buddy needs to get together with others who agree with him and elect a sane person to the NRA's board of directors.

No. There is a point where an organization goes beyond batshot crazy and crosses the final line. There is no salvaging the NRA. It needs to have it's congressional charter revoked as well as it's 501c3 status. The far right radicals that stole the NRA in 1977 have poisoned the organization beyond rescue.

A new group, perhaps based on the CMP, with it's old charter is the only way forward anymore.

254 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:39:15am

There's a reason why there's no sane people in the GOP. Or the ones who may be considered sane are apostate.

255 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:41:54am

It's been snowing for 3 hours this morning. It's beautiful.

256 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:42:19am

re: #254 Kronocide

There's a reason why there's no sane people in the GOP. Or the ones who may be considered sane are apostate.

In a sane world, Gov. Christie would be seen to be as far right as anyone should be. Yet the real powers in the GOP (Rush, Grover, etc) hate him for being "moderate".

257 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:43:26am

re: #253 William Barnett-Lewis

No. There is a point where an organization goes beyond batshot crazy and crosses the final line. There is no salvaging the NRA. It needs to have it's congressional charter revoked as well as it's 501c3 status. The far right radicals that stole the NRA in 1977 have poisoned the organization beyond rescue.

A new group, perhaps based on the CMP, with it's old charter is the only way forward anymore.

Could you bowlderize things to change the date from 1977, please? I was born in '77, and enough bad things happened in that year already. I don't need another one added to the list, so fudge the facts please.

258 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:43:51am

re: #252 William of Orange

CNN - firefighter shooting'
CNN/ Headline News - Gas Prices
FOX News - Egypt election

Click each in a few minutes and they'll be covering other stories (and all will cover all stories in time). It's the nature of the 24/ 7 news channels

259 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:52:58am

re: #252 William of Orange

CNN now showing Christmas Gadgets
Headline news is in commercial break

Get your head out of your ass!!!

{sigh}

btw ,, Fox is now on the firefighter shooting story

260 dragonath  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:53:57am

Wow, somebody touched a nerve.

261 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:54:16am

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Could you bowlderize things to change the date from 1977, please? I was born in '77, and enough bad things happened in that year already. I don't need another one added to the list, so fudge the facts please.

This is nuttier than a Zsa Zsa Gabor pecan pie.

262 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:55:58am

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Could you bowlderize things to change the date from 1977, please? I was born in '77, and enough bad things happened in that year already. I don't need another one added to the list, so fudge the facts please.

Nah, just remember to be a good thing for people to think of. It's not like you were in Ohio gutting the NRA with them.

263 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:58:07am

re: #260 dragonath

Wow, somebody touched a nerve.

Not at all
It's just ridiculous
They are all 24/7 news orgs. They all run the same (basic) format. Some of it is hard news, some of it will be commentary, the rest will be fill

264 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:59:07am

re: #261 Obdicut

This is nuttier than a Zsa Zsa Gabor pecan pie.

Yep, that it is. But you already know that not everything about me is sane. Sometimes I'm nutty or just plain irrational.

265 wilburs  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:59:15am

re: #253 William Barnett-Lewis

No. There is a point where an organization goes beyond batshot crazy and crosses the final line. There is no salvaging the NRA. It needs to have it's congressional charter revoked as well as it's 501c3 status. The far right radicals that stole the NRA in 1977 have poisoned the organization beyond rescue.

A new group, perhaps based on the CMP, with it's old charter is the only way forward anymore.

I've been reading a little on Harlan Carter, the wingnut who led that revolution and turned the NRA from an organization that taught gun safety and sportsmanship into a far right political organization.

What a sweet guy, he makes Wayne LaPierre seem like Al Franken.

266 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:00:48am

re: #263 sattv4u2

Not at all
It's just ridiculous
They are all 24/7 news orgs. They all run the same (basic) format. Some of it is hard news, some of it will be commentary, the rest will be fill

Remember, folks, that satt sees more of the feeds of these news nets than anyone else here and he sees them simultaneously is some cases. So he can speak to the patterns very well.

267 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:01:17am

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Could you bowlderize things to change the date from 1977, please? I was born in '77, and enough bad things happened in that year already. I don't need another one added to the list, so fudge the facts please.

Saturday Night Fever - The Bee Gees.

268 dragonath  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:02:46am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

I think WofO's basic point still stands, given Fox's cheerleading of the War on Christmas controversy. A news network that runs websites like Fox Nation deserves no charity.

269 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:04:45am

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

Ask him not to do that. We need sane people to stay in the NRA to counter the crazies. Your buddy needs to get together with others who agree with him and elect a sane person to the NRA's board of directors.

That's crazier than thinking that sane people can regain control of the Republican Party.

Srsly.

270 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:07:55am

re: #267 Stanghazi

Saturday Night Fever - The Bee Gees.

I'd rate those two things as good, actually.

271 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:08:49am
272 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:08:56am
273 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:10:35am
274 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:10:58am
275 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:11:24am

re: #271 Gus

Yeah, I paged that a couple of days ago but no-one seemed to notice.

276 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:11:49am

re: #261 Obdicut

This is nuttier than a Zsa Zsa Gabor pecan pie.

You've only gotten one upding for this? This place sucks.

277 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:11:50am

re: #259 sattv4u2

CNN now showing Christmas Gadgets
Headline news is in commercial break

Get your head out of your ass!!!

{sigh}

btw ,, Fox is now on the firefighter shooting story

Outrage!!!
//

278 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:12:09am

re: #252 William of Orange

I would just like to tell you how much I enjoyed my (very brief) visit to your beautiful country. I strolled along the canals, visited the Jewish Museum, walked down a block of "cannabis" clubs but was too intimidated to go in, bought some Delftware.

279 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:12:40am

re: #275 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, I paged that a couple of days ago but no-one seemed to notice.

You should link it when you say stuff like that. (I saw it but didn't have time to read it then.)

280 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:13:07am

re: #268 dragonath

I think WofO's basic point still stands, given Fox's cheerleading of the War on Christmas controversy. A news network that runs websites like Fox Nation deserves no charity.

The "War on Christmas" stuff is indeed crappy and a sham, but what satt was saying was that Fox wasn't ignoring the Rochester story to focus on that. Rochester isn't 'big' enough to take over the morning newscasts, though it is the main story. So the news nets will switch from it a number of other stories. Satt was pointing out the patterns of the news channels and that FNC wasn't significantly off the baseline on this one. That's not a matter of charity, that's simply looking at what Fox News is covering. If they are giving roughly the same amount of time to the story and not pursuing crazy angles, then they aren't doing anything gregariously wrong. Yet.

281 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:13:52am

re: #276 Kronocide

You've only gotten one upding for this? This place sucks.

Most people don't even know who Zsa Zsa Gabor is or why she's friggin' hilarious.

282 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:16:01am

Ha ha ha.

My son in Alabama is hosting a "Kosher Chinese Restaurant Night" on Christmas eve.

283 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:16:36am

Fox News is a news channel?

284 dragonath  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:16:46am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

I know what he was saying, but I'm done giving Fox the benefit of the doubt, much less on a story they should be covering.

285 Cinnabar  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:23:09am

re: #282 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Ha ha ha.

My son in Alabama is hosting a "Kosher Chinese Restaurant Night" on Christmas eve.

Kosher restaurants must be pretty thick on the ground in Alabama.

/

286 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:23:36am

re: #279 wrenchwench

You should link it when you say stuff like that. (I saw it but didn't have time to read it then.)

I didn't bother because it's behind their paywall now.

287 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:23:43am

re: #284 dragonath

I know what he was saying, but I'm done giving Fox the benefit of the doubt, much less on a story they should be covering.

That point isn't even debatable. :D

288 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:25:18am

re: #284 dragonath

I know what he was saying, but I'm done giving Fox the benefit of the doubt, much less on a story they should be covering.

I'm not talking benefit of the doubt, I'm talking about actual observed actions. If the observed action is not bad, then it should not be attacked. To go after FNC when they aren't actually doing something wrong lets them play the victim and makes the attack look like a jerk.

Again, not doubt but tactics and fighting smart. Leave fighting dumb to the moonbats.

289 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:25:30am

re: #281 Obdicut

Most people don't even know who Zsa Zsa Gabor is or why she's friggin' hilarious.

Didn't she get arrested for slapping a cop one time? I can't look it up right now.

290 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:25:58am

re: #287 Gus

That point isn't even debatable. :D

Let us debate it even being debatable. Commence:

... ... ... ...

OK, debate over.

291 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:26:08am

re: #289 NJDhockeyfan

Didn't she get arrested for slapping a cop one time? I can't look it up right now.

Yes, she got three days in jail for that one.

292 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:26:14am

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

I'm not talking benefit of the doubt, I'm talking about actual observed actions. If the observed action is not bad, then it should not be attacked. To go after FNC when they aren't actually doing something wrong lets them play the victim and makes the attack look like a jerk.

Again, not doubt but tactics and fighting smart. Leave fighting dumb to the moonbats.

O_o

293 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:27:14am

re: #290 Kronocide

Let us debate it even being debatable. Commence:

... ... ... ...

OK, debate over.

Right now I'm waiting for the MSNBC MBF and something about Rachel Maddow. Some things never change.

John Kerry
Earth First
Igloo White!

294 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:29:33am

re: #293 Gus

Right now I'm waiting for the MSNBC MBF and something about Rachel Maddow. Some things never change.

John Kerry
Earth First
Igloo White!

I look at this place as kind of a mental gymnasium where I can practice dealing with that, or practice ignoring it.

295 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:31:07am

re: #293 Gus

Right now I'm waiting for the MSNBC MBF and something about Rachel Maddow. Some things never change.

John Kerry
Earth First
Igloo White!

I'm not going to bring up a prime-time commentary program when discussing AM news coverage. You'd rightly mock me for doing that.

296 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:33:59am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

I'm not going to bring up a prime-time commentary program when discussing AM news coverage. You'd rightly mock me for doing that.

297 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:34:19am

re: #294 wrenchwench

I look at this place as kind of a mental gymnasium where I can practice dealing with that, or practice ignoring it.

In voice of Eckhart Tolle:

Bwheath Ein, Bweath Ohut. Imagine thees pehsoin, thees EhmBeeEff, in a bowl, ahnd you look aht dem. Then you blow dah bohl up weeth dynamite.

Do this many times.

298 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:34:45am

re: #294 wrenchwench

I look at this place as kind of a mental gymnasium where I can practice dealing with that, or practice ignoring it.

Monday morning. Let's be "fair" to Fox News. //

299 wilburs  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:36:32am

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

Yes, she got three days in jail for that one.

The best part is this was the heady days of Court TV. They covered her arrival at the court house to be sentenced. She strode up to the cameras and announced that she was wearing her "best lesbian" outfit.

Great TV moment!

300 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:36:32am

re: #285 Cinnabar

Kosher restaurants must be pretty thick on the ground in Alabama.

/

That's why he's bringing in a kosher caterer from Atlanta to create one at his Chabad House. :)

301 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:36:46am

re: #296 Gus

[Embedded content]

And my response to that video clip:

And having viewed the clip, I concur in saying shame on Brent Bozell for flinging that insult at Obama, and shame as well (though to a lesser degree) on Mark Steyn for not calling him on it. But also shame on Chris Mathews for saying Newt Gingrich "looks like a car bomber", because that was also a ugly line.

Steyn should apologize for failing to take Bozell to task, and both Mathews and Bozell should be suspended from their jobs for their vile words.

302 efuseakay  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:41:59am

I guesswe should now arm all firefighters too. Sigh.


[Link: www.cnn.com...]

303 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:44:38am

re: #283 Gus

Fox News is a news channel?

ROTFLMFAO

304 dell*nix  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:46:04am

Trying to figure out how to get my Radio Hanoi tapes to digital. Peaceniks are such fun and have not changed much if at all.

305 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:47:11am

Seriously, WTF. Four firefighters shot, 2 killed, in what appears to have been an ambush. 33 people evacuated, 4 homes involved, and police have a large active crime scene.

306 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:47:48am

Jane Fonda!

307 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:48:37am

re: #302 efuseakay

I guesswe should now arm all firefighters too. Sigh.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

What we need is to be genetically modified to resemble Moties (3 arms) so we have an extra arm to wield our gun. That way there would be no need to holster our weapon yet we can still get stuff done.

Besides, just think how handy that would be for Internet porn watchers.

308 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:48:38am

So, how is it?

309 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:50:23am

re: #308 Holidays are Family Fun Time

So, how is it?

Rough.

310 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:51:03am

re: #308 Holidays are Family Fun Time

So, how is it?

Depends on what "it" is

311 dell*nix  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:51:15am

re: #306 Gus

Not on this particular short wave broadcast.

312 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:51:16am

re: #308 Holidays are Family Fun Time

So, how is it?

Slow.

I'm typing with one hand.

313 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:52:19am

re: #307 b_sharp

Besides, just think how handy that would be for Internet porn watchers

I only need one hand/ arm

Not like in days past when I needed another to flip the pages !!

(((did I just say that out loud??))

314 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:53:02am

re: #309 prairiefire

Rough.

Sorry to hear that!

re: #310 sattv4u2

Depends on what "it" is

It? Have no clue.

re: #312 b_sharp

Slow.

I'm typing with one hand.

Could be worse, you could have no hands and have to type with your (retracted).

315 dragonath  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:53:45am

I think I just heard someone on NPR say "last week's story on dolphin lactation was riveting"...

Man, I've got to stop drinking so much Egg Nog.

316 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:54:06am

I have been on antibiotics for over a week now and my head still hurts. I had a long-brewing sinus infection that didn't affect my ability to breathe, so I didn't really notice it until my eye got puffy and I got little bumps on my forehead.

After a week, shouldn't I be feeling better? My eye still hurts.

317 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:54:31am

re: #315 dragonath

I think I just heard someone on NPR say "last week's story on dolphin lactation was riveting"...

Man, I've got to stop drinking so much Egg Nog.

You get egg nog from a dolphin?

How does that work?

318 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:54:49am

re: #313 sattv4u2

Besides, just think how handy that would be for Internet porn watchers

I only need one hand/ arm

Not like in days past when I needed another to flip the pages !!

(((did I just say that out loud??))

'Fraid so bud.

319 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:57:27am

Updating the Rochester shootings. 911 call of fire. Webster firefighters arrive on scene, 4 are shot. 2 are killed.

These people get up in the middle of the night to fight fires. They don’t expect to be shot and killed,” Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering said at a news conference just before noon.

The shooter was found dead outside the home where the shootings occurred, killed by an apparent gunshot wound.

The fire broke out at 5:45 a.m. at 191 Lake Road on the Irondequoit Bay side of the street.

Pickering said shots were fired at West Webster firefighters when they arrived on the scene. He said it appeared the shooter had set a trap for first responders.

After the fire became a crime scene, firefighters were not able to resume fighting the blaze until roughly 11 a.m., after the shooter had been confirmed dead, Pickering said. In the meantime, the nearby houses became engulfed in flames.

Greece Police Chief Todd Baxter said off-duty officer Jon Ritter was on his way to work this morning, driving behind a fire truck that responding to the Lake Road fire. At least two rounds hit his truck, one going through the windshield, the other into his engine block.

Ritter, backed out of the area, jumped out of the truck and prevented any other motorists or firefighters from entering the “kill zone,” said Greece Police Chief Todd Baxter.

Ritter received minor injuries to his arm and left chest. Baxter said he was being evaluated at an area hospital.

A passing cop was also shot and injured by shrapnel. 5 people shot altogether, not counting the gunman who was found dead from a gunshot. Probably a suicide.

Tell me again how good guys with guns can beat the bad guys with guns?

Once again, it's a bad guy who commits suicide before anyone can get the drop on them.

This kind of situation happens infrequently, but it pisses me off nonetheless. Firefighters are trained to race to the scene of accidents, fires, and rescue situations. They aren't trained to take gunfire while doing so. Nor should they.

These firefighters, including one who was volunteering with the Windsor Dept while being on the Rochester force, were doing their jobs when they were ambushed.

Can't wait to find out the motive on this one (if ever). And I can't wait to hear the NRA response to this one either (crickets).

320 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:57:37am

re: #317 Holidays are Family Fun Time

You get egg nog from a dolphin?

How does that work?

tiny tweezers,,, and a wet suit

321 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:57:47am

re: #316 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I have been on antibiotics for over a week now and my head still hurts. I had a long-brewing sinus infection that didn't affect my ability to breathe, so I didn't really notice it until my eye got puffy and I got little bumps on my forehead.

After a week, shouldn't I be feeling better? My eye still hurts.

You might have to go get some Nasonex.

I just had basically the same thing, with bronchitis added, except it hit my jaw and ears not my eye.
I'm on Nasonex and an antibiotic.

322 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:58:15am

re: #317 Holidays are Family Fun Time

re: #320 sattv4u2

tiny tweezers,,, and a wet suit

((don't EVEN ask me how I know that!!))
/

323 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:58:20am

re: #317 Holidays are Family Fun Time

You get egg nog from a dolphin?

How does that work?

Makes the worst 'nog. It's all salty and watery.

324 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 9:58:50am

re: #317 Holidays are Family Fun Time

You get egg nog from a dolphin?

How does that work?

It only happens once a year. Incredibly it's only in December.

325 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:00:20am

re: #321 b_sharp

You might have to go get some Nasonex.

I just had basically the same thing, with bronchitis added, except it hit my jaw and ears not my eye.
I'm on Nasonex and an antibiotic.

I hate Nasonex, irritates everything more for me.

I'll stick to the Neti Pot.

Thanks tho.

326 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:01:33am

re: #309 prairiefire

Rough.

Yeah. Shitty news.

327 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:03:06am

re: #319 lawhawk

Rochester NY?

I can't even imagine the implication of this. Are emergency responders to wear bullet proof vests now? Their already high Life Insurance rates just went up even more.

328 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:04:48am

re: #321 b_sharp

You might have to go get some Nasonex.

I just had basically the same thing, with bronchitis added, except it hit my jaw and ears not my eye.
I'm on Nasonex and an antibiotic.

HOw long did it last? Your sinus infection? before you were better?

329 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:06:03am

re: #325 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I hate Nasonex, irritates everything more for me.

I'll stick to the Neti Pot.

Thanks tho.

A sterile Neti Pot using distilled water I hope.

Nasonex is a corticosteroid, which is why it was prescribed.

330 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:06:13am

re: #327 Holidays are Family Fun Time

It's a suburb of Rochester to the NE. And yeah, what exactly is the NRA going to suggest this time? That firefighters roll up with armed escorts? Heck, one of the police officers that happened to be driving by the scene was shot (hit by shrapnel).

The fire ended up causing significant damage to several other homes because it couldn't be fought until the location was secured. And multiple fire departments are now dealing with the loss of their own.

331 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:07:27am

re: #328 Holidays are Family Fun Time

HOw long did it last? Your sinus infection? before you were better?

I've had it for two weeks. It's only been the last two days that I haven't had green crap and blood come out of my nose.

332 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:10:53am

re: #331 b_sharp

I've had it for two weeks. It's only been the last two days that I haven't had green crap and blood come out of my nose.

And here I was feeling sorry for myself because I have had this shitty cold ever since I got back from the Middle East. (Airports are the worst place)

333 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:10:58am

re: #331 b_sharp

the last two days that I haven't had green crap and blood come out of my nose.

You mean it's not supposed to??
hmmm

334 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:11:27am

re: #333 sattv4u2

the last two days that I haven't had green crap and blood come out of my nose.

You mean it's not supposed to??
hmmm

Depends on how much you drink.

335 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:11:45am

re: #334 b_sharp

Depends on how much you drink.

{hic} huh?

336 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:13:14am

re: #331 b_sharp

I've had it for two weeks. It's only been the last two days that I haven't had green crap and blood come out of my nose.

I got 30 days of Augmentin. I'm a chronic sinus person, so that didn't surprise me. I actually think it is the same sinus infection I had in the spring. I've had more energy the last week (since I've been on the antibiotics) than I've had in months. I think it was a low level infection for a long time.

337 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:13:48am

re: #333 sattv4u2

the last two days that I haven't had green crap and blood come out of my nose.

You mean it's not supposed to??
hmmm

Yeah, usually it has to come out, eventually.

338 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:14:23am

I haven't even made a christmas list yet. I hope I can find things to wrap to put under the tree tonite.

339 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:16:54am

re: #336 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I got 30 days of Augmentin. I'm a chronic sinus person, so that didn't surprise me. I actually think it is the same sinus infection I had in the spring. I've had more energy the last week (since I've been on the antibiotics) than I've had in months. I think it was a low level infection for a long time.

I get a sinus infection several times a year.

There have been mornings I've woken up to a blood covered pillow. At first I thought it was a nose bleed then one morning the pillow was covered, my throat was full of blood but there was no blood in my nose. I figure it had to be my sinuses.

340 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:18:06am

re: #338 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I haven't even made a christmas list yet. I hope I can find things to wrap to put under the tree tonite.

Wrap some of the tree ornaments.
And the dust pan.
Maybe the cat.

341 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:18:13am

re: #339 b_sharp

I get a sinus infection several times a year.

There have been mornings I've woken up to a blood covered pillow. At first I thought it was a nose bleed then one morning the pillow was covered, my throat was full of blood but there was no blood in my nose. I figure it had to be my sinuses.

Neti Pot has severely curtailed my sinus infections. I used to have several a year too! Now, just on or two. This one, I think is not new.

342 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:18:39am

Preacher gives sermon on The Polished Shaft
Recently fired pastor Jack Schaap of First Baptist Church in Hammond, Indiana was notorious for oversexed sermons like this.

NSFW

343 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:19:35am

re: #340 b_sharp

Wrap some of the tree ornaments.
And the dust pan.
Maybe the cat.

been buying and making stuff for a while. Just don't know if I have something for everyone --or even where everything might be hidden.

I am just so not into it this year!

344 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:21:55am

Anybody know who KilgoreTrout43 is? Is it our KT?

345 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:22:40am

re: #343 Holidays are Family Fun Time

been buying and making stuff for a while. Just don't know if I have something for everyone --or even where everything might be hidden.

I am just so not into it this year!

Put a bow on the fridge

Nothing Says Lovin' Like Somethin' From The Oven LG Fridge

346 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:23:12am

re: #341 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Neti Pot has severely curtailed my sinus infections. I used to have several a year too! Now, just on or two. This one, I think is not new.

I have a machine that sends pulses of salt water into my sinuses. It helps for much of the day, but by the time I get home I have to do it again.

347 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:23:16am

re: #344 b_sharp

Anybody know who KilgoreTrout43 is? Is it our KT?

Says he's logged in

Ask him!

348 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:23:53am

re: #344 b_sharp

Anybody know who KilgoreTrout43 is? Is it our KT?

It's not me.Is that someone on twitter?

349 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:24:15am

Yep

350 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:27:33am

Volvo Crash Test

351 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:29:09am

re: #350 Gus

Volvo Crash Test

[Embedded content]

Words just before that

"Hold my beer. I saw this on a cartoon once and I think I can do it"

352 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:34:11am

re: #348 Killgore Trout

It's not me.Is that someone on twitter?

Yah it is. I'm thinking it may be one of the stalkers.

353 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:34:35am







354 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:36:33am

re: #349 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Yep

I've been picking up big chocolate bars from the chocolate bar section of Walmart. I just found that if you look in the baking section you can get some of those same bar brands that are huge.

355 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:36:51am

Why is gun murder worse than any other kind of murder?

I'm still perplexed why we are tracking this data and not other types of murder data with the same vigilance.

356 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:37:59am

re: #355 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Why is gun murder worse than any other kind of murder?

I'm still perplexed why we are tracking this data and not other types of murder data with the same vigilance.

Heh.

357 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:39:51am

re: #355 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Why is gun murder worse than any other kind of murder?

I'm still perplexed why we are tracking this data and not other types of murder data with the same vigilance.

Because guns can cause deaths at a distance. They can also cause multiple deaths at a rate not possible with most other forms of weapon. Their ease of use is unsurpassed.

358 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:40:17am

re: #352 b_sharp

Yah it is. I'm thinking it may be one of the stalkers.

I don't think so. I took a look at the google cache of his twitter timeline. Just some random douchebag.

359 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:41:08am


360 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:41:39am

re: #355 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Homicides are tracked with alarming precision and regularity. We can tell you whether the homicide was done by a rifle, shotgun, handguns, knives or cutting weapons, fists, or other.

That statistical abstract tells you that firearms are at the heart of most murders in the country. Handguns are primarily responsible.

361 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:43:06am

Hey Mike Huckabee: Were the Firefighters murdered because they didn't allow God in the firehouse?

362 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:43:37am

re: #358 Killgore Trout

I don't think so. I took a look at the google cache of his twitter timeline. Just some random douchebag.

Thank yew sir.

363 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:48:43am

re: #361 Iwouldprefernotto

No, firefighters must be outfitted with CIWS so that they can suppress gunfire before suppressing actual fires. /NRA

364 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:49:32am

re: #363 lawhawk

No, firefighters must be outfitted with CIWS so that they can suppress gunfire before suppressing actual fires. /NRA

What is CIWS?

365 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:50:03am

re: #360 lawhawk

Homicides are tracked with alarming precision and regularity. We can tell you whether the homicide was done by a rifle, shotgun, handguns, knives or cutting weapons, fists, or other.

That statistical abstract tells you that firearms are at the heart of most murders in the country. Handguns are primarily responsible.

Somehow, those others don't seem to make the media. I think creates an hysteria that makes it nearly impossible for the country to have a rational conversation about the subject.

I'm very frustrated over this. I have little confidence any meaningful policy will result over the recent tragedy.

366 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:50:40am

re: #355 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Why is gun murder worse than any other kind of murder?

I'm still perplexed why we are tracking this data and not other types of murder data with the same vigilance.

It's not worse, it's just much more common, because guns make it really easy to kill people.

367 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:51:20am

re: #364 b_sharp

What is CIWS?

Close
In
Weapons
Systems

The 20mm Phalanx system used by the US and Canadian Navies is such a system.

368 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:53:45am

re: #363 lawhawk

No, firefighters must be outfitted with CIWS so that they can suppress gunfire before suppressing actual fires. /NRA

That just makes me imagine what a 20mm gatling gun would do to the average clap-board house in this country. Yikes!

"Well the fire's out... Because the house is gone."

369 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:57:09am

re: #368 Pawn of the Oppressor

That just makes me imagine what a 20mm gatling gun would do to the average clap-board house in this country. Yikes!

"Well the fire's out... Because the house is gone."

Trouble is, how are the FF supposed to know a guy with a gun is setting them up?

370 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:58:01am

I seem to be too old to organize my photo files on my macbook in anyway that makes me able to find them again.

Somehow, I managed to create two iPhoto Libraries.

And when I do find them, they'll only open in preview.

371 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:58:21am

re: #369 b_sharp

Trouble is, how are the FF supposed to know a guy with a gun is setting them up?

exactly.

This is most worrisome.

372 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:58:25am

University of Rochester Medical Center press conference:

[Link: www.ustream.tv...]

373 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:58:47am

re: #341 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Neti Pot has severely curtailed my sinus infections. I used to have several a year too! Now, just on or two. This one, I think is not new.

I don't understand why anybody would want to waterboard themselves.

374 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:59:29am

re: #364 b_sharp

What is CIWS?

This is.

375 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:59:34am

re: #373 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I don't understand why anybody would want to waterboard themselves.

because chronic sinus pain is worse.

376 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:00:26am

re: #373 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I don't understand why anybody would want to waterboard themselves.

Sadism.

377 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:02:09am
378 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:02:11am

re: #374 Romantic Heretic

This is.

[Embedded content]

Oh shit.

379 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:03:18am

re: #375 Holidays are Family Fun Time

because chronic sinus pain is worse.

I was blind for several days the last time I got a sinus infection. The pressure on my eyes warped them so they couldn't focus. I also knew how the guy in Alien felt just before the thing burst out of his chest. Spent a couple of weeks on antibiotics and antihistamines.

Now I'm very careful to never let my head get cold.

380 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:03:57am

re: #378 b_sharp

Oh shit.

100 rounds of depleted uranium per second.

381 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:04:59am

re: #355 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Why is gun murder worse than any other kind of murder?

I'm still perplexed why we are tracking this data and not other types of murder data with the same vigilance.

Because there are a LOT more gun homicides in the US than murders committed with other types of weapons. There's no comparison in the numbers at all - gun homicides are vastly more common.

382 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:08:46am

I'm trying to find some hard data on the NRA actively watering down gun control legislation. I'm guessing I need to find actual legislative #'s then read the committee records to see who said or changed what on its way to law.

Unless somebody has already done this work.

383 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:11:22am

re: #380 Romantic Heretic

100 rounds of depleted uranium per second.

Those rounds are used against cruise missiles, and when loaded into fighter's 20mm they are used against armored vehicles. The anti-ground rocket ammo (designed to destroy things like the BM-21 artillery rocket) is a HE-FRAG ammo designed to explode in mid-air into small pieces that cannot penetrate a building.

The Phalanx uses the same M61 Vulcan electric Gatling gun used by the F-15, F-16, and F/A-18.

384 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:12:53am

JAFO (mracb) should also also know about the M61, as it was prominently featured in the movie his nic derives from.

385 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:13:23am

re: #382 Kronocide

I'm trying to find some hard data on the NRA actively watering down gun control legislation. I'm guessing I need to find actual legislative #'s then read the committee records to see who said or changed what on its way to law.

Unless somebody has already done this work.

yes, there was a Pages Post about a similar subject. . . . it might give you a starting point. Of course, I have no idea how to find it.

Or you could start with the last AWB.

386 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:13:36am
387 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:15:55am

ICYMI

388 wilburs  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:16:07am

re: #382 Kronocide

I'm trying to find some hard data on the NRA actively watering down gun control legislation. I'm guessing I need to find actual legislative #'s then read the committee records to see who said or changed what on its way to law.

Unless somebody has already done this work.

You could start here

[Link: books.google.com...]

though I suspect much more of their influence is felt at the state level

389 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:21:51am

Rochester PD press conference to being shortly.

Live: [Link: www.wgrz.com...]

390 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:23:46am

7 houses destroyed. Search for possibly more victims.

391 William of Orange  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:25:00am

re: #342 Gus

Preacher gives sermon on The Polished Shaft
Recently fired pastor Jack Schaap of First Baptist Church in Hammond, Indiana was notorious for oversexed sermons like this.

[Embedded content]

NSFW

Seriously. WTF??

392 Gus  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:25:16am

Shooter is deceased. Self-inflicted. William Spengler. Lengthy criminal history. Convicted of killing his grandmother. Released in 1998.

393 wilburs  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:26:24am

If your appetite for wingnut tears hasn't yet been satisfied, this is pretty enjoyable

[Link: nymag.com...]

394 William of Orange  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:26:28am

re: #351 sattv4u2

Words just before that

"Hold my beer. I saw this on a cartoon once and I think I can do it"

That video is in my mother language Frisian.

395 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:27:18am

re: #355 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Why is gun murder worse than any other kind of murder?

I'm still perplexed why we are tracking this data and not other types of murder data with the same vigilance.

Because gun deaths are directly correlated with the huge prevalence of guns in the US, an entirely preventable and unnecessary problem that is unique to America and which is completely self-inflicted.

396 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:55:44am

re: #393 wilburs

If your appetite for wingnut tears hasn't yet been satisfied, this is pretty enjoyable

[Link: nymag.com...]

Went Godwin near the top of Page 2, do I have to read more?

397 wilburs  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:09:45pm

re: #396 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Went Godwin near the top of Page 2, do I have to read more?

It is an irresistible impulse with them

the thing that I got was, for the most part, the guests on the cruise were much crazier then the NRO guys, if that is possible

398 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:23:01pm

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

Ask him not to do that. We need sane people to stay in the NRA to counter the crazies. Your buddy needs to get together with others who agree with him and elect a sane person to the NRA's board of directors.

How is that working out for you when it comes to the GOP as a whole DF?

399 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:34:06pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Citizens should not have to justify to the government why they should be allowed to do or own something; Instead it is the government that should have to justify to the citizen why they should not do or own something.

And oh but do all these recent massive shootings make it so hard for the government to comes up with a case for why citizens should not be able to own firearms so easily and purchase ones with such high capacity magazines....

////

400 abolitionist  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:27:44pm

"I have a friend who is an artist ... kinda nutty."

Feynman made a deal with that friend. In exchange for teaching Feynman to draw, paint and sculpt, he would teach his artist friend some math and physics. IIRC, this was mentioned in Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman and Feynman's Rainbow. I suspect that a common interest in women was at the heart of this bargain.

401 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:54:04am

re: #95 watching you tiny alien kittens are

That's a typical cruise ship, the kind your neighbors may go on. Anything they can charge extra for that won't piss too many people off, they do. I went on a 3-day disc golf cruise once. Hope I never have to set foot on that kind of ship again.


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