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1 freetoken  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 2:52:16pm

Poker game... but I bet more money was spent on gifts people didn't really want than what was lost in that game.

2 sattv4u2  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 2:52:57pm

What perfect timing

Just got off the phone with my sister, brother-in-law and niece who all live in Ireland!! !

3 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 2:53:35pm

Happy room full of crazy family mine, laughing to this funny song just in time for prime... rib.

4 sattv4u2  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 2:55:40pm

re: #3 Political Atheist

Happy room full of crazy family mine, laughing to this funny song just in time for prime... rib.

hmmmmm,,, we're about 30 minutes from a sirloin roast!!! (albeit with a smaller room "full". Just me, Mrs Satty, Satty Son and a friend of his from college ,, oh, and yes, the two Satty Pooches

5 sattv4u2  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 2:56:37pm

re: #3 Political Atheist

BTW,,, you and the Mrs,.,,, Merry Joyous Happy Christmas Holidays!!!! (that should cover most of the bases!!)

6 blueraven  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 2:58:46pm

Merry Christmas to all Lizards who celebrate...and a Happy Day to those who dont!

I am waiting for my prime rib to reach 145 degrees...potatoes ready to be mashed, salad-done, green beans; trimmed, washed and ready to go, rolls waiting for the oven.

Hope you all are having a wonderful day. Cheers!

7 sattv4u2  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 2:59:40pm

re: #6 blueraven

Prime Rib for you and RWC,, Sirloin Roast for me and mine

We seem to have a theme going!!

8 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:00:29pm

We just had a dinner of oven-fried chicken, spaetzl, peas & carrots and my son is on his way to Chicago.

He has promised to come back for New Year's weekend.

9 Gus  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:06:11pm

Heh.

10 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:06:33pm

Cioppino, smoked duck breasts w/ a reduced red wine and cherry sauce, brussels sprouts w/ balsamic butter, corn pudding, salad, a bottle of Footbolt...

And She who Must Be Obeyed got me Nate Silver's "The Signal and The Noise". Already fifty pages into it. Good stuff.

Science!

11 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:10:33pm

Why do people give their pets wrapped gifts?

I suppose it's to make cute videos, but damn that has to be frustrating for the pet.

12 Kronocide  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:11:14pm

I had goat last night. The raw marinated in vinegar kind. Never Forget.

Next goat I eat will be prepared in an Indian restaurant.

The only goat I will ever eat will be prepared in an Indian restaurant.

13 freetoken  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:16:37pm

Since this is Christmas...

Helen Bond (University of Edinburgh) has written a short article introducing the topics of her recent book ( The Historical Jesus: A Guide for the Perplexed (Guides for the Perplexed) ) titled "Ten Things I Learnt about Jesus by Writing a Book about him" in which, among many issues, she touches on one of the hot topics in certain circles:

[...]

5. Jesus and Empire. Much has been written lately about Jesus’ supposed antagonism towards ‘imperial Rome’ (it’s never simply ‘Rome’); Jesus, we’re told, set himself against imperialism, or, more broadly, the ‘dominating system(s)’ of his day. This is particularly strong in US scholarship and reflects (I assume) a certain degree of American angst regarding its own ‘imperial’ standing in the world. But I have to admit that I don’t really see it in the texts. I wouldn’t want to claim that Jesus was favourably disposed towards the increasingly direct Roman presence in his homeland, or that he regarded political domination (in whatever form it took) as a good thing; doubtless he shared his compatriots’ contempt both for foreign rule itself and for those who profited by it. But I don’t see anti-imperialism as a central theme in his preaching. Jews over the centuries had developed many theological strategies to explain and come to terms with foreign rule, most commonly that God (the ruler of history) was chastising his people for a time before a great final vindication when Israel’s enemies would be swept away and God would clearly reign. In this apocalyptic scenario, there’s no point in setting oneself against empires, because their frailty and false-pride will soon be exposed for all to see. What we have here in scholarship that puts an anti-imperial agenda to the fore in Jesus’ teaching, it seems to me, is the desire for a useable Jesus – someone who will speak to modern day liberal Christians who want to critique their own government’s imperialist practices. I’ve nothing against that, but we shouldn’t call it ‘historical Jesus studies.’ It’s exactly the same with the ‘Jesus as promoter of women’ view – we’d all like a Jesus who champions modern day values, but its not always going to be the case.

[...]

While I think the author is still hung up on referring to "Jesus" as a singular person (as opposed to being a composition of various personalities, as I deem most likely), it's still a relevant point she makes about writers reading their own cultures' angst into the "Jesus story".

14 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:17:03pm

If you are scared of spiders you should still watch this:

15 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:26:38pm

re: #14 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

So groan to begin with, but now tears. TEARS.

16 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:27:19pm

About 1/3 of Alabama is under tornado warnings--TV has dropped programming to watch the pretty polygons. Don't linger over dessert, Satt.

17 Kronocide  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:30:39pm

There's two 'sides' to torture?

18 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:32:30pm

re: #17 Kronocide

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There's two 'sides' to torture?

Think more shocking is "all sides." There's more sides to this argument besides support and oppose?

19 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:35:09pm

re: #13 freetoken

my view is this

in 1st century palestine, everybody had their own theory of how to deal with the hated romans

the priests - the sadducees - cooperated with them to keep what authority they had left

the pharisees tried to up the level of ritual observance and purity so that god would see how they were worthy of help

the zealots refused to pay taxes and plotted violent revolution

the sicarii knifed roman oppressors and jewish collaborators in marketplace crowds

the essenes withdrew into their little communities - josephus says they were found in every town and village - and lived a radically simple and virtuous life and waited for the imminent return of the meshiach

jesus had a different idea: he preached not ritual purity but radical goodness - "it is not what you put in your mouth but what comes out of it that will make you clean or unclean" "if a man ask you for your shirt, give him your coat as well". when asked about taxes, he disavowed the external, worldly radicalism of the zealots: "give unto caesar what is caesar's"

he told his followers that salvation from oppression would come from themselves, or, as we say now, to be the change they want - "the kingdom of god, it's within you"

to put his teaching to any other use but the reform of your individual soul is to my mind blasphemy

20 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:38:13pm

re: #5 sattv4u2

Same to you my friend. It;s another fine year. May the holidays and new year be good for us all.

Worried about a fiscal cliff? Learn to cash rappel.

21 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:38:26pm

Jeebus! Southeastern Mississippi and SW Alabama is just one giant weather warning right now:

[Link: radar.weather.gov...]

Be safe, Decatur Deb!

22 RadicalModerate  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:39:43pm

Interesting day on my third-anniversary day of registering with LGF.
Started out with thunderstorms and a tornado watch in the area around midnight... then the cold came, with a drastic temperature drop. Started snowing around 11AM. Still going, and the accompanying high winds are causing the closest thing you'll see to whiteout conditions in the Dallas area.

Glad I don't have to go out today.

23 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:41:16pm

re: #21 austin_blue

Jeebus! Southeastern Mississippi and SW Alabama is just one giant weather warning right now:

[Link: radar.weather.gov...]

Be safe, Decatur Deb!

Mobile got whacked--our closest hit was in the next county, but the mess is heading towards 3 of the kids.

24 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:44:04pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

Mobile got whacked--our closest hit was in the next county, but the mess is heading towards 3 of the kids.

Poor Tuscaloosa looks like it is in the crosshairs again. Good luck to your kids!

25 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:48:28pm

re: #24 austin_blue

Poor Tuscaloosa looks like it is in the crosshairs again. Good luck to your kids!

Yup--Enterprise is also about to get it. That's where 13 kids were killed in the highschool a couple years ago. We should post a meteorologist in every school.

26 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:49:57pm

Solstice Bells

27 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:01:55pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Yup--Enterprise is also about to get it. That's where 13 kids were killed in the highschool a couple years ago. We should post a meteorologist in every school.

And...and an armed peace officer or trained volunteer!

28 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:04:24pm

re: #19 engineer cat

when asked about taxes, he disavowed the external, worldly radicalism of the zealots: "give unto caesar what is caesar's"

I always read that as Jesus giving a nebulous answer that allowed the audience to hear what they wanted to hear. The go along to get along got an answer that allowed them to keep paying taxes, while those who figured Caesar/Rome didn't own and wasn't owed their shit took away the message that they didn't have to pay anything.

29 RadicalModerate  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:06:13pm

This story just ticks me off, because it is a Democratic governor who lied to his constituents to cover for a bigot.

Missouri Democrats argue over Limbaugh statue

Nixon has failed to follow up on removing divisive bust from Capitol, lawmakers say.

JEFFERSON CITY A Missouri Capitol statue of Rush Limbaugh, like the man it honors, continues to be a source of controversy.

Most recently, it has sparked some Democrat-on-Democrat squabbling, with Gov. Jay Nixon’s administration coming under fire from lawmakers who say the governor isn’t living up to promises to give Limbaugh’s likeness the boot.
[...]
Some Democrats feel as though they were lied to.

“As a result of your failure to act,” the letter said, “we and many other House Democrats are forced to question the value of your assurances.”

The letter to Nelson was sent in September but only made public this month, shortly after Nixon announced that he was formally appointing Nelson as commissioner of the Office of Administration. The longtime Nixon aide has served as acting commissioner since February. He must be approved for the job by the Missouri Senate.

Nelson responded to the letter by sending Talboy and Jones a report outlining who has authority over the Capitol rotunda. He never addressed the allegations

30 Bubblehead II  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:10:42pm

Merry Christmas Lizards. I hope that today found you all well.

31 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:16:30pm
32 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:23:23pm

re: #29 RadicalModerate

This story just ticks me off, because it is a Democratic governor who lied to his constituents to cover for a bigot.

Missouri Democrats argue over Limbaugh statue

limbaugh is a bigot spigot

33 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:33:10pm

re: #32 engineer cat

limbaugh is a bigot spigot

But whatever you do. Don't cross him. You are toast if you don't kiss his asshole money making ring.

No backbone these idiots.

34 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:47:08pm

Seasons Greetings all. Just got off of work. Working through the holidays, which I don't mind, gives the younger guys a chance to be with their families. I am off the next two days however. Now let's get ripped.

35 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:55:44pm

It's Christmas evening..
I said last night I'd ask the lizards memories of their most special Christmas.

36 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:00:29pm

re: #35 A Man for all Seasons

It's Christmas evening..
I said last night I'd ask the lizards memories of their most special Christmas.

I've had several, but not this year alas. New Life!!!!

But my best memories are the ones where I cooked a meal for 15. I was never stressed, and every one was so happy.

37 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:21:04pm

next?

38 Bubblehead II  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:22:14pm

Night Lizards. Sleep well. May the Deity of your smile down upon you.

39 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:29:58pm

re: #37 Stanghazi

40 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:30:19pm

Evening Lizardim. Merry Christmas from fish country, the heart of the next big winter storm. I swear, we must drag these things around behind us like some kind of obscene winter cloak. I hope things are well among the Lizardim this holiday season.

41 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:32:17pm

re: #37 Stanghazi

next?

I have so many great memories of Christmas over the years..The Xmas with the fireplace blaring and seeing our kids open their presents. You can't replace the joy in a child's eyes on Christmas morning.
My most fun time shopping was when our company got a list of under privileged kids from the police dept. I got the list of all the boys from 6 to 14 or so. They gave me a 1000 bucks to spent the day shopping at the mall for presents..oh 10 yr old. you need a new skateboard.. It was really fun that day then wrapping the presents for the police to pick up

42 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:35:25pm

re: #37 Stanghazi

next?

Honestly, it's so hard to pick. Each Christmas has been better than the last for the past few years. Last year was our baby's first Christmas; this year, my sister's son had his first Christmas. The two boys are so cute together. Next year will be our new daughter's first Christmas, and who knows what that will bring? However, that one will be the first Christmas in two years where I'm not home, which will be a little heart-wrenching for all involved, but at least we'll be home for Thanksgiving.

43 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:42:18pm

This year is the best! I'm in Austin visiting my sister, BIL & her 4 kids. Everyone got Pringles in their stockings! A day of love, teasing & laughter.
Turkey is in the oven, pig-out time is yet to come, followed by a food coma!
((HH))

44 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:43:18pm

re: #43 Dancing along the light of day

This year is the best! I'm in Austin visiting my sister, BIL & her 4 kids. Everyone got Pringles in their stockings! A day of love, teasing & laughter.
Turkey is in the oven, pig-out time is yet to come, followed by a food coma!
((HH))

The Mrs. Fish got me some fun exotic cooking spices, among other things. What did I get her? A diamond ring. Yeah, now you see how things are in the fish household./

45 dragonfire1981  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:50:52pm

re: #44 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

The Mrs. Fish got me some fun exotic cooking spices, among other things. What did I get her? A diamond ring. Yeah, now you see how things are in the fish household./

This fish ain't no dope.

46 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:52:13pm

I have to say this year's Hanukkah was the most memorable. How many times in one's life does a Dell die on you and the next day you are in the Apple store buying a MacBook Pro and it happens to be the first day of Hanukkah? It happened to me and I am thankful.

47 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:54:29pm

re: #45 dragonfire1981

This fish ain't no dope.

I can be taught. I even managed to keep it a secret somehow this time. She was incredibly surprised.

48 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:55:32pm

re: #46 PhillyPretzel

I have to say this year's Hanukkah was the most memorable. How many times in one's life does a Dell die on you and the next day you are in the Apple store buying a MacBook Pro and it happens to be the first day of Hanukkah? It happened to me and I am thankful.

Many blessings to you this year..

49 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:56:27pm

re: #48 A Man for all Seasons

Thank you. And may you have a good new year. :)

50 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:57:30pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Yup--Enterprise is also about to get it. That's where 13 kids were killed in the highschool a couple years ago. We should post a meteorologist in every school.

My niece was a student at Enterprise High at the time of the tornado. My brother had just picked her up and they had gotten about half a mile down the road when the school was hit.

51 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:58:00pm

re: #43 Dancing along the light of day

This year is the best! I'm in Austin visiting my sister, BIL & her 4 kids. Everyone got Pringles in their stockings! A day of love, teasing & laughter.
Turkey is in the oven, pig-out time is yet to come, followed by a food coma!
((HH))

Merry Christmas! A simple homegrown pesto from the greenhouse for me and a quiet night by the fireplace with the cats.

52 freetoken  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:58:33pm

A mixed interpretation of this standard, starts out strongly emphasizing the waltz time nature, but then wanders into other territories:

53 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:59:14pm

re: #46 PhillyPretzel

I have to say this year's Hanukkah was the most memorable. How many times in one's life does a Dell die on you and the next day you are in the Apple store buying a MacBook Pro and it happens to be the first day of Hanukkah? It happened to me and I am thankful.

My Dell died on me in September and the next day I ordered a Lenovo.

54 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:59:46pm

I figure a Dell's lifespan is about 3 years.

55 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:00:33pm

Shit, my Netflix queue got wiped out. What are some good movies?

56 freetoken  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:00:39pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

I'm trying a mix of chocolate and "pineapple guava" fruit (Feijoa sellowiana), the latter of which have dropped much of their remaining fruit last week in the rain storms.

57 freetoken  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:01:12pm

re: #55 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Shit, my Netflix queue got wiped out. What are some good movies?

Are you looking for drama? Blood and Gore? Fantasy?

58 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:01:57pm

re: #57 freetoken

Are you looking for drama? Blood and Gore? Fantasy?

I like mysteries, thrillers, action movies, sci-fi.

59 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:02:20pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Merry Christmas! A simple homegrown pesto from the greenhouse for me and a quiet night by the fireplace with the cats.

Best wishes to you KT this year. May your garden be fruitful, And your business be prosperous and your heart be at peace.

60 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:02:24pm

re: #54 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Mine lasted five years.

61 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:07:33pm

re: #60 PhillyPretzel

Mine lasted five years.

That's old in Dell years.

Still, I would not buy a Mac, I am totally a Windows person. Although I am not too thrilled about Windows 8. If I had a tablet it would be OK, but what good is Windows 8 on a desktop that is not a touch screen? I live in Cubicle Land where they are still upgrading to Windows 7. Windows 8 would be a deployment nightmare.

62 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:08:22pm

re: #55 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Shit, my Netflix queue got wiped out. What are some good movies?

Ted the Bear. Surprised i am. Laughed much.

63 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:09:40pm

re: #61 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I've heard mixed reviews of Windows 8 on phones and tablets. People at my company, which is largely a Microsoft shop, are thrilled. People outside my company, not so much. Myself, I am a Linux man, but I have a very solid background in Windows work. Mac is one of those things that I have a professional interest in, but I refuse to buy anything beginning with the letter i.

64 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:11:10pm

re: #58 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I like mysteries, thrillers, action movies, sci-fi.

Try Midsomer Murders, BBC mystery series, each one is about 90 minutes.

65 Kaessa  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:12:27pm

re: #61 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

That's old in Dell years.

Still, I would not buy a Mac, I am totally a Windows person. Although I am not too thrilled about Windows 8. If I had a tablet it would be OK, but what good is Windows 8 on a desktop that is not a touch screen? I live in Cubicle Land where they are still upgrading to Windows 7. Windows 8 would be a deployment nightmare.

Just exit the metro screen, and use the desktop like you always do.
There are some great under-the-hood improvements in Windows 8. You can also get start menu replacements if you'd like. I bounce back and forth between using the Metro UI, Start8 Start Menu, and the regular taskbar to launch programs.

66 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:14:29pm

re: #64 Kragar

Try Midsomer Murders, BBC mystery series, each one is about 90 minutes.

Zedushka loves those, and he also loves "Foyle's War." The weird thing is that he likes to watch them on his 11" personal DVD player even though we have a 50" HDTV!

67 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:16:02pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

What did the kitties get for Christmas, besides lots of love hugs & pettings?

68 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:17:05pm

re: #56 freetoken

I'm trying a mix of chocolate and "pineapple guava" fruit (Feijoa sellowiana), the latter of which have dropped much of their remaining fruit last week in the rain storms.

Nice! I have a feijoa in the greenhouse but no fruit from it yet.

69 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:17:12pm

One of the last movies I watched was "Brave" which SUCKED.

What is wrong with Disney? I watch these movies so that I can get them for my grandkids, and "Brave" was freaking SCARY. No way I am going to let them watch that.

There has not been a Disney/Pixar movie that my grandkids will watch, WAY TOO SCARY but they love all the Dreamworks movies.

70 freetoken  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:17:46pm

re: #58 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I like mysteries, thrillers, action movies, sci-fi.

A mix of some holiday viewing:

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

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[Link: www.imdb.com...]

And then of course there is the new Dr. Who Christmas special...

71 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:18:40pm

re: #66 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Zedushka loves those, and he also loves "Foyle's War." The weird thing is that he likes to watch them on his 11" personal DVD player even though we have a 50" HDTV!

My mom can not get enough British murder mysteries.


New Dr. Who!

72 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:20:24pm

re: #67 Dancing along the light of day

What did the kitties get for Christmas, besides lots of love hugs & pettings?

Hugs and pets is all they get. I'm afraid if I make too much of the holiday they'll start quoting Hitchens, Dawkins or (god forbid) Marx at me.

73 freetoken  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:20:36pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Nice! I have a feijoa in the greenhouse but no fruit from it yet.

Well, the season is over. When it blooms next year you'll need to pollinate it. The petals are edible, which you probably know.

74 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:21:11pm

re: #59 A Man for all Seasons

Best wishes to you KT this year. May your garden be fruitful, And your business be prosperous and your heart be at peace.

... and to you as well.

75 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:21:37pm

Another SUCK movie: "Snow White and the Huntsman." Why did it SUCK so hard? For one thing, Charlize Theron is like a bazillion times "more fair" than that lame girl from "Twilight" so the whole premise of the movie was a massive fail.

76 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:22:59pm

re: #75 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Another SUCK movie: "Snow White and the Huntsman." Why did it SUCK so hard? For one thing, Charlize Theron is like a bazillion times "more fair" than that lame girl from "Twilight" so the whole premise of the movie was a massive fail.

Kristen Stewart. Her continued presence in big-budget film post-Twilocalypse indicates to me that movie producers don't have the first clue what the f--- they're doing.

77 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:27:57pm

re: #76 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Kristen Stewart. Her continued presence in big-budget film post-Twilocalypse indicates to me that movie producers don't have the first clue what the f--- they're doing.

Can someone explain what is the appeal of that girl? She is not good-looking and she has no talent. So who is her celebrity parent?

78 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:29:25pm

Well, today was a good day. Woke up to a touch of snow on the ground. Saw Django (the D is silent). Went for Chinese food. And now watching the Dr. Who special.

Without giving anything away, Django is all that it's cracked up to be. Chris Waltz gave one heck of a performance. Leo DiCaprio showed a side of evil he hasn't in any prior role - and showed a level of versatility we haven't seen from him before. I get why some people might get an uneasy feeling about the movie.

It's meant to do that. It's supposed to be unsettling. It's supposed to show a level of violence. That's the level of violence that was always happening across the South where slavery was a way of life.

What didn't normally happen was a revenge fantasy. That's where this movie goes (again, nothing you couldn't figure from the trailers/commercials). It's part of a running theme from the past few movies.

79 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:29:59pm

re: #76 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Oh, they know exactly who they're doing. /

80 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:31:54pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

81 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:34:50pm

re: #77 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Can someone explain what is the appeal of that girl? She is not good-looking and she has no talent. So who is her celebrity parent?

It's not her celebrity parent, it's who she's sleeping with. Apparently, you ride the right horses in Hollywood, and you can go places.

82 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:35:33pm

We don't have fresh horseradish to go with the Prime Rib and Yorkshire pudding.

CHRISTMAS IS RUINED!
/

83 Kronocide  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:38:21pm

Theron is a real actress. Stewart.... no so much.

84 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:39:57pm

re: #82 Kragar

We don't have fresh horseradish to go with the Prime Rib and Yorkshire pudding.

CHRISTMAS IS RUINED!
/

First World problems.

In the Third World, they have plenty of wild horseradish but no Prime Ribe or Yorkshire pudding to go with them.

Now if someone could get them together...profit!

85 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:40:30pm

re: #82 Kragar

We don't have fresh horseradish to go with the Prime Rib and Yorkshire pudding.

CHRISTMAS IS RUINED!
/

Heh.

No special dinner today but Grandma & Grandpa will be up tomorrow so we'll have a roast stuffed chicken with a corn casserole on the side. Some crescent rolls & maybe a bit of pilaf. Cookies for desert. Nothing fancy and that's not a bad thing.

86 freetoken  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:43:45pm

I can report back that complementing Endangered Species Bat, Intense Dark Chocolate (72%) with Cacao Nibs with fully ripe fruit of Feijoa sellowiana makes for a strange combination. The fruit does bring out the already nutty flavor of the cacao nibs, making the chocolate taste a bit more like coffee.

87 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:44:28pm

re: #83 Kronocide

Theron is a real actress. Stewart.... no so much.

I remember when "The Man in the Iron Mask" came out and every commercial featured Dicaprio, and I thought "Meh". Then someone pointed out it also had John Malkovitch, Jeremy Irons, Gerard Depardieu, and Gabriel Byrnes, they just weren't mentioned in any of the trailers.

88 freetoken  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:45:41pm

Hehe... I just looked at one of the ratings comments for that Endangered Species Bat, Intense Dark Chocolate at Amazon:

I'm sorry, but I just have to be honest. This chocolate has no flavor of bat in any way shape or form. I did a review of the chocolate from the same company with the chimpanzee on the label, and noted no flavor of chimp in it. I was forced to give it a one star review, but did try to be fair and say the chocolate itself, if it was sold as JUST chocolate was fine. Now they continue this trend of such false labelling and have no bat flavor in this chocolate. What gives? Yes, as chocolate it's fine, much like the so called chimpanzee flavored bar I tried earlier this year, so consider this a four or five star review if the lack of bat flavor doesn't bother you. But doesn't a chocolate bar with let's say raspberries on the label contain a raspberry extract, jelly or something else with raspberry flavor? Why wouldn't one with a bat on the label contain no bat flavor? I may try the other chocolates by this company, I'm curious to see if the one with the panther on the label does taste at least like some sort of cat, if not an actual panther. But I am disappointed yet again by this company. If you're going to claim to flavor your chocolate to taste like animals, include the animal flavor!

89 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:49:46pm

re: #87 Kragar

I remember when "The Man in the Iron Mask" came out and every commercial featured Dicaprio, and I thought "Meh". Then someone pointed out it also had John Malkovitch, Jeremy Irons, Gerard Depardieu, and Gabriel Byrnes, they just weren't mentioned in any of the trailers.

DiCaprio is an excellent actor, he can really chew up the scenery. "Man in the Iron Mask" sucked, though.

90 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:50:45pm

When does the Airing of Grievances begin?

91 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:53:16pm

Good night Lizardim.

92 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:53:28pm

One of most memorable Christmases was when I was 10, we were snowed in underfeets of snow in Glen Ellyn I had an excellent jigsaw puzzle and a new microscope with prepared slides of brine shrimp, fleas, etc.
Another one was when my daughter was born at. 11:24am.

93 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:58:27pm

re: #90 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

When does the Airing of Grievances begin?

I'll start, mental illness sucks.

94 Kronocide  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:00:42pm

Report: Police question NBC host over gun magazine shown on 'Meet the Press'

Police are investigating whether David Gregory, the host of NBC's "Meet the Press," violated any city laws after he displayed what appeared to be a 30-round gun magazine Sunday on the show, a Washington Metropolitan Police Department spokesman told Politico.

Several pro-gun and conservative groups have been upset about Gregory showing a 30-round AR-15 magazine during an interview with National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre.

Those groups point to section 7-2506.01 of the District of Columbia Code, which states, "No person in the District shall possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device regardless of whether the device is attached to a firearm."

How nice.

95 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:18:56pm

re: #76 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Kristen Stewart. Her continued presence in big-budget film post-Twilocalypse indicates to me that movie producers don't have the first clue what the f--- they're doing.

I actually think she gets knocked too hard, but she's not on Theron's level, and her role in Twilight was badly laid out and poorly executed.

When I read Kristen Stewart had won a leading role in a period piece that Jennifer Lawrence was also being considered for, my first reaction was "Have the producers lost their minds? Lawrence is so much better than Stewart they should wait till she's available, even if its a year's delay!"

96 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:19:16pm

re: #94 Kronocide

Report: Police question NBC host over gun magazine shown on 'Meet the Press'

How nice.

So, thanks to looser regulations in surrounding areas, a person was able to acquire and transport a prohibited item with zero interference until he made its presence known.

97 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:20:09pm

re: #94 Kronocide

Report: Police question NBC host over gun magazine shown on 'Meet the Press'

How nice.

Gregory asked for this kind of trouble. He saw that mag as a prop, but it may land him in jail.

98 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:25:04pm

Fifteen people here for dinner, snacking and games. Ham, au gratin potatoes, corn casserole, fruit salad, baked ziti, homemade ravioli (cheese or crab) with homemade sauce. Plenty of wine and beer. And a massive load of desserts (two cheesecakes, pumpkin pie, lime pie, carrot cake.)

And a Murray Christmas to everyone. (Got a T-shirt with Bill Murray on the front wearing a Santa hat.)

99 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:26:09pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

I actually think she gets knocked too hard, but she's not on Theron's level, and her role in Twilight was badly laid out and poorly executed.

"There, fixed that for you."

I've tried reading Twilight twice, as a gesture of goodwill towards my girlfriend who is a fan. The second time she was actually watching me read it, and I tried, I really did, but when it takes thirty fucking pages of self-centered adolescent narrative to get to the first plot point, "THOSE BOYS AT THE TABLE OVER THERE ARE VAMPIRES", and another twenty pages after that to finally move out of the lunch room, well...

Like I said, I tried...

The movie was even worse, I held down the FF button on my UVerse remote and it's like, "in school, in school, in school, nope still in school... still inside the school... Oh I think they were in the woods for five seconds... OK back in the school again..." I was looking for something like a plot, not the standing-by-the-locker conversation of an uninteresting teenage girl.

I tried. I really did. I was told that the whole diary-narrative thing was *appealing* somehow to the female reader, that said female reader somehow identified with this boring, self-absorbed, clumsy teenage girl who is written like a boring, self-absorbed teenage girl who occasionally has a middle-aged-woman insight. I just wanted to hang myself after the first five pages.

So endeth my short affair with Twilight.

100 Kronocide  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:27:15pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Gregory asked for this kind of trouble. He saw that mag as a prop, but it may land him in jail.

It wasn't a cheap political prop. If a law was broken then a law was broken.

But it's ironic that the gun nuts, who fight much gun control regulation, called in the infraction. Likely because Gregory was too tough on LaPierre.

101 Kronocide  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:27:44pm

re: #96 Kragar

So, thanks to looser regulations in surrounding areas, a person was able to acquire and transport a prohibited item with zero interference until he made its presence known.

Hey, shuddap. Let's not talk about that.

102 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:27:47pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Gregory asked for this kind of trouble. He saw that mag as a prop, but it may land him in jail.

Merry Christmas D_F.
NBC will have a prop for the police to check out..No way he is going to do time.

103 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:27:58pm

How to make Twilight 100 times better

104 Gus  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:30:45pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Gregory asked for this kind of trouble. He saw that mag as a prop, but it may land him in jail.

Probably an honest mistake. Clearly there was no nefarious reasoning for this. There is a certain element in the press in which sometimes they almost become immune to common law if it's for the betterment of the populace. Besides that, the people pushing this are the gun nuts. They're the one's that want Gregory (who can be quite a douche) to be fined or something.

105 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:31:12pm

re: #102 A Man for all Seasons

Merry Christmas D_F.
NBC will have a prop for the police to check out..No way he is going to do time.

I doubt that. They wouldn't involve the network in covering up a crime just to save David Gregory.

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:31:53pm

Heh. And about the oddest thing I got was a magnetic "design your own deity" set.

[Link: www.coolstuffexpress.com...]

For the fridge at home. I don't think the proper sense of humor is universal enough at work.

107 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:33:08pm

re: #103 Kragar

How to make Twilight 100 times better

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Mandatory post for the topic:

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108 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:34:02pm

re: #103 Kragar

How to make Twilight 100 times better

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Damn, I was hoping Blade would be involved.

109 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:34:23pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Mandatory post for the topic:

Image: How_b3a304_722933.jpg

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110 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:35:26pm

re: #103 Kragar

I *heart* this so hard. BWAHAHAA!!! Joy! Better than the Blade/Twilight spoof, I think.

111 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:35:27pm

re: #109 Kragar

Cannot load

Works fine for me.

112 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:36:06pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

I doubt that. They wouldn't involve the network in covering up a crime just to save David Gregory.

HAHA
Never will happen..

113 Gus  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:37:02pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

I doubt that. They wouldn't involve the network in covering up a crime just to save David Gregory.

Covering up a crime! [Collapses to floor.] There's no intent here. Anyone that calls themselves a gun right advocate and wants to see David "Yeah I'm Douchey" Gregory fined, jailed or fired for this is a hypocrite and from now on their argument is invalid.

114 Gus  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:37:43pm

re: #112 A Man for all Seasons

HAHA
Never will happen..

It shouldn't happen. This is absurd. Any questions?

115 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:40:06pm

re: #113 Gus

Covering up a crime! [Collapses to floor.] There's no intent here. Anyone that calls themselves a gun right advocate and wants to see David "Yeah I'm Douchey" Gregory fined, jailed or fired for this is a hypocrite and from now on their argument is invalid.

Intent doesn't matter, as the statute makes no provision for it. I must admit, however, that I find the prospect of the TV host getting in trouble because of the item he brought as a prop to badger his guest quite amusing. David Gregory broke the very type of law he claimed to favor. How's that for ironic?

116 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:41:38pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Intent doesn't matter, as the statute makes no provision for it. I must admit, however, that I find the prospect of the TV host getting in trouble because of the item he brought as a prop to badger his guest quite amusing. David Gregory broke the very type of law he claimed to favor. How's that for ironic?

And those who argue against such laws and the right of anyone to obtain such a magazine are gleeful that Gregory might face jail time.

Imagine that...

117 Gus  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:41:58pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Intent doesn't matter, as the statute makes no provision for it. I must admit, however, that I find the prospect of the TV host getting in trouble because of the item he brought as a prop to badger his guest quite amusing. David Gregory broke the very type of law he claimed to favor. How's that for ironic?

What's amusing is that the NRA types should be defending Gregory from the government of DC. Had it been one of them? That's what's amusing.

118 Gus  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:42:20pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

And those who argue against such laws and the right of anyone to obtain such a magazine are gleeful that Gregory might face jail time.

Imagine that...

Weird, isn't it.

119 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:42:36pm

Ha! I thought Gregory was waving around a paper magazine! I was like, "isn't that free speech?"

120 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:45:31pm

It's kind of like Serrano's Piss Christ. There's no easy way to prove if the magazine he waved around was pinned to a capacity of 10 or not, people are up in arms about what Gregory purported to show.

121 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:46:01pm

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy Kwanzaa, Merry Christmyth, Happy Birthday, and Festive Festivus to all my scaly lizard friends.

122 freetoken  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:47:18pm

Al Jarreau:

123 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:47:34pm

Not that it really matters, the law Gregory is accused of being in violation of starts out at a $1000 fine, which is the most likely outcome. He'll pay the money, issue a mea culpa, and it'll be over. That's assuming the city feels it worth it to actually charge him with a crime.

124 Gus  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:51:35pm

Dave Brubeck
Charles Durning
Daniel Inouye
Jack Klugman

World War II - US Army

125 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:52:16pm

The bigger question is how did Gregory get the magazine and whats to prevent a person intent on mass murder from doing the exact same thing.

126 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:53:05pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Intent doesn't matter, as the statute makes no provision for it. I must admit, however, that I find the prospect of the TV host getting in trouble because of the item he brought as a prop to badger his guest quite amusing. David Gregory broke the very type of law he claimed to favor. How's that for ironic?

This passed ridiculous a long time ago.

127 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:57:21pm

If gun control laws matched drug laws, people would be thrown in jail for a year if the police stopped them and found a single bullet.

Now that is irony.

128 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:58:34pm

re: #127 Kragar

If gun control laws matched drug laws, people would be thrown in jail for a year if the police stopped them and found a single bullet.

Now that is irony.

Bullets have legitimate uses, meth does not.

129 Gus  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:00:01pm

re: #127 Kragar

If gun control laws matched drug laws, people would be thrown in jail for a year if the police stopped them and found a single bullet.

Now that is irony.

130 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:02:28pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Bullets have legitimate uses, meth does not.

Amphetamines are useful when controlled and regulated for medicinal purposes.

Much the same way a military grade assault weapon is very useful when controlled and regulated for its proper purposes.

131 Gus  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:02:42pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Bullets have legitimate uses, meth does not.

Drug laws is reduced to meth?

132 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:02:48pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

Not that it really matters, the law Gregory is accused of being in violation of starts out at a $1000 fine, which is the most likely outcome. He'll pay the money, issue a mea culpa, and it'll be over. That's assuming the city feels it worth it to actually charge him with a crime.

Cut the spring out of the clip and he has a metal box. If it's not functional, it's not illegal. Duh.

133 dragonath  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:07:11pm

There's a Hello Kitty ad at the top of this page...

134 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:09:03pm

re: #133 dragonath

There's a Hello Kitty ad at the top of this page...

KITTIES FOR THE KITTY GOD!!!

Image: post-74584-1232067448.jpg

135 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:11:23pm

re: #134 Kragar

KITTIES FOR THE KITTY GOD!!!

Image: post-74584-1232067448.jpg

Whoever made those has won the internet.

136 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:12:03pm

re: #134 Kragar

KITTIES FOR THE KITTY GOD!!!

Image: post-74584-1232067448.jpg

And if memory serves, there is an entire fan art Space Marines chapter with a Hello Kitty Motif.

137 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:13:32pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

And if memory serves, there is an entire fan art Space Marines chapter with a Hello Kitty Motif.

Sisters of Battle, not Astartes.

Katherine's "Hello Kitty" Sisters of Battle

138 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:33:59pm

Closing out Christmas night with replay of the 60 minutes special about Steve Jobs. He is a classic guy with a dark side ans visions from heaven.

139 freetoken  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:46:44pm

re: #138 A Man for all Seasons

He gave two interviews in 1995, one of which is readily available and the other quite a bit harder to find. Watching both, he comes off as someone who one probably wouldn't want for a friend. The nerdy instantiation of type-A personality.

140 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:48:14pm

re: #139 freetoken

He was hard on his family.

141 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:55:40pm

re: #139 freetoken

He gave two interviews in 1995, one of which is readily available and the other quite a bit harder to find. Watching both, he comes off as someone who one probably wouldn't want for a friend. The nerdy instantiation of type-A personality.

An Einstein-grade asshole. It happens, no? Can't deny the man's genius, though.

Night all. Hope everyone had a Merry Hanukwanzmus!

((And we are down to 32 degrees after a high of 68 at 2:00 pm. Wind chill is 26. I'm going out to dribble the pipes.))

Wishing you all peace on Earth, and goodwill to all humanity.

142 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 9:09:48pm

re: #90 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

When does the Airing of Grievances begin?

I gotta lotta problems with you people!!

143 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 9:27:46pm

Night, lizards.

144 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 9:35:16pm

Well it's almost time to go to sleep.. What a wonderful Christmas.. Except for the Thunder losing to the Heat. I got lot's of text messages from friends and calls from family. What a 2013 year lay ahead for Winston and I.
my doc gave me a script for sleeping pills.. Dang the dreams are so vivid and real. I wake up in the morning thinking I just just lived the wizard of Oz.

145 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:04:42pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Gregory asked for this kind of trouble. He saw that mag as a prop, but it may land him in jail.

I don't get it.
Aren't you guys supposed to be defending him?
I mean, most gun rights advocates oppose bans on clip/mag sizes, right?

146 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:05:42pm

Couldn't it be for like educational purposes?

147 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:13:05pm

Meet The Press Interview Exposes Hole In NRA's Mental Health Plan

During that interview, LaPierre said that a major flaw in the background check system is that states have failed to input mental health records, allowing people who have mental health issues that would prohibit them from buying a firearm to nonetheless pass a background check. But moments later, he expressed opposition to extending the background check system to all gun sales, maintaining a loophole that would allow the mentally ill to continue to obtain firearms.

I'm shocked the NRA is not taking this at all seriously.
Wait..No, I'm not.

148 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:13:41pm

re: #146 Amory Blaine

Couldn't it be for like educational purposes?

The local law does not have that particular loophole built in.

Law is a bitch; it bites the good & the evil on the ass equally.

149 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:14:25pm

re: #148 William Barnett-Lewis

The local law does not have that particular loophole built in.

Law is a bitch; it bites the good & the evil on the ass equally.

Do we even know if it was real though?

150 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:20:24pm

re: #149 Varek Raith

Do we even know if it was real though?

That, given how I wrote the above, is best left to the LN Fighter types employed by the DC police department to determine. My guess is that it is but he thinks things through almost as well as a teabagger...

151 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:26:37pm

re: #150 William Barnett-Lewis

That, given how I wrote the above, is best left to the LN Fighter types employed by the DC police department to determine. My guess is that it is but he thinks things through almost as well as a teabagger...

Forgive my ignorance but, 'LN Fighter type'?

152 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:30:34pm

D&D speak. Lawful Neutral fighters would be the best descriptors of DC police. Preferring law over chaos with no particular bias towards either good or evil as that game defined them. Fighters simply because the police often find themselves in fights with those opposed to them.

Wiki has this that may be useful to understand the wisecrack I was trying to make: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

153 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:40:01pm

re: #152 William Barnett-Lewis

D&D speak. Lawful Neutral fighters would be the best descriptors of DC police. Preferring law over chaos with no particular bias towards either good or evil as that game defined them. Fighters simply because the police often find themselves in fights with those opposed to them.

Wiki has this that may be useful to understand the wisecrack I was trying to make: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

OMG, I totally rolled a 1 on that check.
;)

154 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:49:41pm

Heh. NP. The fun part was that finding that link found me an online Alignment test at WOTC. Came out as NG which was interesting on a number of levels.

Oh, yeah, said test can be found here:
[Link: www.wizards.com...]

Alignment is pretty rough grained but I find it's better at tracking humans than many give it credit for... ;)

155 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:51:30pm

My most memorable Christmas was when I was a cub reporter in Casper, Wyoming. As a junior member of staff, I had to work that holiday. Christmas Eve was spent with friends cross-country skiing for the first time on Casper Mountain. We got back in the evening for a sumptuous repast of pizza and beer. My legs were killing me, but it was by far a very enjoyable Xmas.

156 freetoken  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:52:32pm

Mahalia Jackson was a well known gospel singer of the 20th century, with a wonderfully powerful voice. I like her rendition of this one:

157 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:53:25pm

re: #154 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. NP. The fun part was that finding that link found me an online Alignment test at WOTC. Came out as NG which was interesting on a number of levels.

Oh, yeah, said test can be found here:
[Link: www.wizards.com...]

Alignment is pretty rough grained but I find it's better at tracking humans than many give it credit for... ;)

I always seem to fall into chaotic good.

158 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:54:37pm

re: #152 William Barnett-Lewis

D&D speak. Lawful Neutral fighters would be the best descriptors of DC police. Preferring law over chaos with no particular bias towards either good or evil as that game defined them. Fighters simply because the police often find themselves in fights with those opposed to them.

Wiki has this that may be useful to understand the wisecrack I was trying to make: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Mercykillers

159 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:58:32pm

re: #158 Kragar

Mercykillers

OY! Now there's a nasty little CE cult.

160 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:59:10pm

re: #158 Kragar

Mercykillers

I hate those guys.
Always interfering in my fun.
:evilgrin:

161 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:05:27pm

re: #157 Varek Raith

I always seem to fall into chaotic good.

Chaotic Neutral

162 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:05:48pm

re: #159 William Barnett-Lewis

OY! Now there's a nasty little CE cult.

They were lawful neutral officially.

163 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:07:13pm

Joe Hagan's first hand account of the National Review Caribbean cruise is kind of a must read:

The whole thing was white, and broken, that much was clear. A week after the presidential election, when the dreams of Republicans were dashed with President Barack Obama’s victory over Mitt Romney, we were snorkeling in the blue waters of the Caribbean. In the distance was a shipwreck. “You could make out the pieces of it,” said Ralph Reed, the right-wing political operator who had bolstered the Evangelical Christian vote for Romney. “It was deep and murky.”

Jonah Goldberg, the National Review contributor and author of Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning, also bore witness to the once-great vessel that foundered off the coast of Fantasy Island and was now sunken and covered in white barnacles. “I saw the silhouette of it,” he says.

...

In person, Yoo was charming and funny, widely praised by his co-cruisers for having tangled successfully with Jon Stewart during his sit-down on The Daily Show three years ago. Yoo worried that the Republicans were too quick to blame each other, saying, “This is all out of Lord of the Flies and Karl Rove is Piggy and we’re supposed to all chase him around with spikes and throw him on a fire?”

...

“Pardon me, madam, but I have been in your country of Australia for ten days and the only Aborigines I’ve seen have been drunk on the street, and at least if we were in my country they would be serving the drinks at this conference!”

164 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:10:33pm

re: #162 Kragar

They were lawful neutral officially.

I know. Never bought that though based on how I viewed things. But that's 90% of the fun in bothering with alignment in a nutshell.

165 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:12:55pm

re: #164 William Barnett-Lewis

I know. Never bought that though based on how I viewed things. But that's 90% of the fun in bothering with alignment in a nutshell.

The most fun me and a buddy had in a D&D campaign was him playing a Paladin and me playing a Lawful Evil Ranger/Rogue and driving the rest of the party nuts by getting along.

166 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:15:12pm

re: #165 Kragar

The most fun me and a buddy had in a D&D campaign was him playing a Paladin and me playing a Lawful Evil Ranger/Rogue and driving the rest of the party nuts by getting along.

Heh.
In my games, CE players are the only ones I can't stand.

167 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:17:09pm

re: #165 Kragar

The most fun me and a buddy had in a D&D campaign was him playing a Paladin and me playing a Lawful Evil Ranger/Rogue and driving the rest of the party nuts by getting along.

Most fun? I had a woman who played a thief who's alignment changed daily based on the moon. Full moon she was pure CN. New Moon she was LN. Deep swings into good or evil based on a coin she flipped first thing every morning.

Kept our Paladin _really_ confused. She came up true N on all alignment magic. :)

168 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:19:37pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

Heh.
In my games, CE players are the only ones I can't stand.

The DM had a strict no evil policy, but I convinced him to let me play LE with the understanding he would die horribly if I broke the party.

I tempted fate a few times, but thanks to successful bluff roles, the foresight to make sure I was the party expert in foreign languages, and generally being a lucky git, I had a long and glorious career.

169 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:20:39pm

re: #167 William Barnett-Lewis

Most fun? I had a woman who played a thief who's alignment changed daily based on the moon. Full moon she was pure CN. New Moon she was LN. Deep swings into good or evil based on a coin she flipped first thing every morning.

Kept our Paladin _really_ confused. She came up true N on all alignment magic. :)

The secret to getting around Detect Evil is making sure the Paladin only thinks to use it when something much, much worse is around.

170 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:23:49pm

re: #169 Kragar

The secret to getting around Detect Evil is making sure the Paladin only thinks to use it when something much, much worse is around.

+1!!!

171 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:24:33pm

I ended a long running game with a locate city bomb.

172 Kragar  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:29:07pm

re: #170 William Barnett-Lewis

+1!!!

There was the time when I successfully stunned an enemy mid "YOU HAVE SPOILED MY PLANS FOR THE LAST TIME!" monolog with "You never asked us to join you!", then rolled a critical hit with a throwing dagger and one shotted him.

Or the time I successfully promised a village would provide tribute to a Blue Dragon for a magic item we needed, speaking in Draconic, with the party wondering why he just gave it to us and why I said "Head back to the ship, I'll tell the village elders we're leaving."

Good times.

173 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:29:46pm

Good night all. Gotta crash. Take care till the morrow rises.

174 RadicalModerate  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:31:46pm

Derp story of the week, courtesy of the morons over at Brietbart.

DC Police Investigating NBC's Gregory for Brandishing Illegal Magazine

In a discussion about gun control, host David Gregory brandished a 30-round magazine purportedly for an AR-15 or similar "assault rifle." The discussion took place on December 23, during the broadcast of NBC's Sunday morning political talk show.

Washington D.C.’s gun laws, however, state that even possessing such a device is a violation. Meet the Press is filmed at NBC's D.C. studios.

I wonder if it occurred to these geniuses that NBC News likely got the magazine with the cooperation and supervision of the BATF or FBI, which is typical procedure when running a story of this type requiring access to otherwise-banned weapons or controlled substances.

175 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 12:17:50am

Some more Charlie Byrd:

176 researchok  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 12:28:59am

Morning, all

177 researchok  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 12:36:20am

re: #156 freetoken

Wow. Favorited

What a voice- Mahalia Jackson's aren't come by easily.

I had never heard this recording before.

TY

178 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 12:44:23am

Currently 14 degress in Lubbock, wind chill 4. Forecast low, 7 degrees. All bears, well-diggers, and brass monkeys should be brought indoors immediately!

179 Kragar  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 12:50:39am

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel

Currently 14 degress in Lubbock, wind chill 4. Forecast low, 7 degrees. All bears, well-diggers, and brass monkeys should be brought indoors immediately!

48 here. Coldest its been in a while.

180 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 1:28:27am

re: #139 freetoken

He gave two interviews in 1995, one of which is readily available and the other quite a bit harder to find. Watching both, he comes off as someone who one probably wouldn't want for a friend. The nerdy instantiation of type-A personality.

Woz was a piece of work as well. I know from personal experience.

181 Kragar  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 1:43:13am

Note: Don't try to manually apply a primer coat. Pain in the ass.

182 Kragar  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 2:41:50am

Current Project: Lufgt Huron

183 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:39:15am

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Bullets have legitimate uses, meth does not.

Marijuana does, though.

184 KernelPanic  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:42:58am

Ahh. Dropkick Murphys. Among the best live shows I've ever seen.

185 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:01:36am

re: #99 Pawn of the Oppressor

"There, fixed that for you."

I've tried reading Twilight twice, as a gesture of goodwill towards my girlfriend who is a fan. The second time she was actually watching me read it, and I tried, I really did, but when it takes thirty fucking pages of self-centered adolescent narrative to get to the first plot point, "THOSE BOYS AT THE TABLE OVER THERE ARE VAMPIRES", and another twenty pages after that to finally move out of the lunch room, well...

Like I said, I tried...

The movie was even worse, I held down the FF button on my UVerse remote and it's like, "in school, in school, in school, nope still in school... still inside the school... Oh I think they were in the woods for five seconds... OK back in the school again..." I was looking for something like a plot, not the standing-by-the-locker conversation of an uninteresting teenage girl.

I tried. I really did. I was told that the whole diary-narrative thing was *appealing* somehow to the female reader, that said female reader somehow identified with this boring, self-absorbed, clumsy teenage girl who is written like a boring, self-absorbed teenage girl who occasionally has a middle-aged-woman insight. I just wanted to hang myself after the first five pages.

So endeth my short affair with Twilight.

My youngest daughter loves all that "Twilight" shit, the books, the movies. I can't say that she is emotionally immature because she has a good job, has been self-supporting for years, and is married. So I don't suppose there is anything wrong with enjoying silly entertainment.

186 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:07:14am
187 dragonath  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:07:33am
The day after Labor Day, just as campaign season was entering its final frenzy, FreedomWorks, the Washington-based tea party organization, went into free fall.

Richard K. Armey, the group’s chairman and a former House majority leader, walked into the group’s Capitol Hill offices with his wife, Susan, and an aide holstering a handgun at his waist. The aim was to seize control of the group and expel Armey’s enemies: The gun-wielding assistant escorted FreedomWorks’ top two employees off the premises, while Armey suspended several others who broke down in sobs at the news.

WTF

188 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:53:48am

re: #185 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

My friend's 12-year-old induced me to sit and watch the first movie with her. She thought it was most wonderful movie on Earth. I thought it was dreck. I can't imagine reading the books. Sparkly vampires? Really? It's like Anne Rice meets My Little Pony.

189 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:00:25am

re: #188 wheat-dogghazi

My friend's 12-year-old induced me to sit and watch the first movie with her. She thought it was most wonderful movie on Earth. I thought it was dreck. I can't imagine reading the books. Sparkly vampires? Really? It's like Anne Rice meets My Little Pony.

I once tried reading an Anne Rice book. It went on and on and on and it was depressing as fuck. Something about a woman was a witch but in the body of a brain-damaged person who couldn't speak. I kind of gave up after 100 pages or so (or was it 500 pages? I can't remember).

190 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:21:25am

NYC is again on its way to having the lowest murder count in its history of keeping such records. Right now, the City is on pace to having about 400 murders, which while more than 1 per day, is still a significant decline from last year, when 470 people were killed.

It's a testament to the NYPD, changing police tactics, and better coordination and communications with local community groups.

The NYC rate is significantly lower than the rates seen in any other big US city. And the fact that the City keeps pushing those crime rates down despite a smaller police force while maintaining a significant counterterrorism posture to protect against attacks (the City has repeatedly been targeted by terrorists in any number of plots) is a testament to tactics developed by the NYPD to maximize its effectiveness.

191 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:35:03am

So far, the weather in NYC is holding out, but our luck will be changing as the storm that has battered much of the country, including an outbreak of tornadoes yesterday, is heading our way this afternoon.

They've already put up high wind advisories and warnings for the area. Weather advisories and even winter storm watches and warnings are up for N/W of NYC. We'll probably get hit with a slushy mess for the ride home.

The National Weather Service has issued winter weather advisories for parts of the Tri-State area.

CHECK: Radar | Forecast & Alerts | On-Air: 1010 WINS | WCBS 880

The advisories are in effect for the northern portions of southwestern Connecticut, Bergen County in New Jersey and Rockland and northern Westchester counties in New York from 1 p.m. Wednesday until 6 a.m. Thursday.

For the northwestern part of the Garden State, a winter storm warning has been issued from Wednesday afternoon until late Thursday morning.

The storm is expected to dump a total of four to six inches on the area and also produce sleet and freezing rain. Other areas are expected to get between two and three inches of rain.

Flood advisories and high wind warnings are also in effect for parts of the Tri-State.

Oh, and those wind advisories mean that we'll probably see more power outages and downed trees.

192 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:03:39am

Column: Reflections on Newtown
Glenn Harlan Reynolds

2. Is Hate A Liberal Value? A 20-year-old lunatic stole some guns and killed people. Who's to blame? According to a lot of our supposedly rational and tolerant opinion leaders, it's . . . the NRA, a civil-rights organization whose only crime was to oppose laws banning guns. (Ironically, it wasn't even successful in Connecticut, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation.)

The hatred was intense. One Rhode Island professor issued a call -- later deleted -- for NRA head Wayne LaPierre's "head on a stick." People like author Joyce Carol Oates and actress Marg Helgenberger wished for NRA members to be shot. So did Texas Democratic Party official John Cobarruvias, who also called the NRA a "terrorist organization," and Texas Republican congressman Louis Gohmert a "terror baby."

Nor were reporters, who are supposed to be neutral, much better. As The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg commented, "Reporters on my Twitter feed seem to hate the NRA more than anything else, ever. "

Calling people murderers and wishing them to be shot sits oddly with claims to be against violence. The NRA -- like the ACLU, the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers or Planned Parenthood -- exists to advocate policies its members want. It's free speech. The group-hate directed at the NRA is ugly and says ugly things about those consumed by it.

Gar. Bage.

193 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:11:04am

It's snowing!
Wheeee!
/kid

194 dragonath  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:11:42am

Wow, it's been a while since I sold on eBay and I had no idea that they're putting selling limits on individual sellers now.

195 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:13:06am
196 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:13:59am
197 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:15:33am

re: #196 Gus

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I totally don't get this.
Shouldn't the gun nuts be defending Gregory???

198 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:15:38am

re: #196 Gus

199 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:17:26am

re: #197 Varek Raith

I totally don't get this.
Shouldn't the gun nuts be defending Gregory???

No. They want gun control laws to apply to everyone who is advocating for gun control but not for them.

200 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:19:09am

re: #197 Varek Raith

I totally don't get this.
Shouldn't the gun nuts be defending Gregory???

re: #198 lawhawk

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Yes. They are using a law they oppose in principle to "get back" at David Gregory. They have no principles.

201 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:20:15am

How do gun laws get evaded? How do criminals get the guns?

Stealing them is one possibility, but it's not the most common. Strawman sales are. Get someone who can legally buy them for someone who can't. The person who can legally buy is the one whose background gets checked, and that person is the person of record.

In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.

The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel's own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen. Like bank robbers, who are interested in banks, gun traffickers are interested in FFLs because that's where the guns are. This is why FFLs are a large source of illegal guns for traffickers, who ultimately wind up selling the guns on the street.

According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."

The report goes on to state that "over-the-counter purchases are not the only means by which guns reach the illegal market from FFLs" and reveals that 23,775 guns have been reported lost, missing or stolen from FFLs since September 13, 1994, when a new law took effect requiring dealers to report gun thefts within 48 hours. This makes the theft of 6,000 guns reported in the CIR/Frontline show "Hot Guns" only 25% of all cases reported to ATF in the past two and one-half years.

Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts.

202 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:32:35am


203 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:36:39am

re: #202 Gus

I know I can never get enough of a good crucifixion. If you asked me, twice a day is not enough.

204 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:37:29am

re: #202 Gus

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Do they all sing that song from "Life of Brian"?

205 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:38:41am
206 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:38:56am

re: #203 Eventual Carrion

I know I can never get enough of a good crucifixion. If you asked me, twice a day is not enough.

Yep. It's the quickest way to heaven. Watch a lot of crucifixions while feigning sadness and faith.

207 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:39:49am

re: #204 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Do they all sing that song from "Life of Brian"?

Hopefully.

208 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:40:02am

re: #205 lawhawk

The end is here.

Jib Jab did not make an election song this year.

209 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:41:11am

re: #204 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

No, but they debate the penalty for striking a Roman citizen:

Man in crowd: Death by torture!
Roman Officer: No... You?
Man in crowd: Crucifixion!
Roman Officer: Wrong! You?
Man in crowd: They shove a living snake up your ass!
Roman Officer: Ah, no... but that's very creative!

210 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:42:14am

re: #209 lawhawk

No, but they debate the penalty for striking a Roman citizen:

Man in crowd: Death by torture!
Roman Officer: No... You?
Man in crowd: Crucifixion!
Roman Officer: Wrong! You?
Man in crowd: They shove a living snake up your ass!
Roman Officer: Ah, no... but that's very creative!

Yet another reason why Mel Brooks should have made "Life of Brian" instead of Monty Python.

211 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:44:04am
212 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:45:05am

Omnipotent. Hahahahahaha!

213 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:01:04am

re: #185 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

My youngest daughter loves all that "Twilight" shit, the books, the movies. I can't say that she is emotionally immature because she has a good job, has been self-supporting for years, and is married. So I don't suppose there is anything wrong with enjoying silly entertainment.

Vampires shouldn't 'sparkle', DAMN IT!

///

214 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:02:31am
215 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:04:56am

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Vampires shouldn't 'sparkle', DAMN IT!

///

Let the right one in and you won't need to worry about sparkles... ;)

216 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:04:58am

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Vampires shouldn't 'sparkle', DAMN IT!

///

I liked "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Killer"

217 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:16:37am

I've just been perusing post Christmas sales online...they really suck this year. I've hardly found anything I would consider much of a deal.

218 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:19:02am

re: #217 dragonfire1981

I've just been perusing post Christmas sales online...they really suck this year. I've hardly found anything I would consider much of a deal.

That's because of the Fiscal Cliff that Obama wants everyone to hurtle over!1!ty

219 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:21:35am

re: #201 lawhawk

How do gun laws get evaded? How do criminals get the guns?

Stealing them is one possibility, but it's not the most common. Strawman sales are. Get someone who can legally buy them for someone who can't. The person who can legally buy is the one whose background gets checked, and that person is the person of record.

Fast & Furious was treason, but don't crack down on my straw buyers!!!!!11!

220 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:21:56am

re: #218 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Actually, I think it's because stores are betting people don't pay much attention to details. I see all these flyers plastered with things like:


DOORBUSTER!!
HUGE DEAL!
MEGA SAVINGS!!
QUANTITIES LIMITED!!

Yet if you look at the actual prices, they are hardly a deal.

I just saw on Walmart.com they are promoting the fact that they have the "Guranateed lowest price" on Xbox 360 controllers.

Standard retail price for a controller: $39.99

Wal-Mart price: $39.96

Yes, a whole THREE FREAKIN CENTS! So while the ad is technically correct, it's not any kind of deal, just a dumb pricing gimmick.

I've even been underwhelmed by the prices on Amazon.

221 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:23:30am
222 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:34:11am

re: #220 dragonfire1981

There might be a good deal or two here.

223 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:37:06am

re: #222 lawhawk

There might be a good deal or two here.

Some good stuff there, but nothing on what I've been looking for. Thanks though.

224 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:37:39am

re: #221 The Mountain That Blogs

Like all those people posting pictures of their new Christmas presents?

The one with a bottle of booze is particularly scary. Bad combo.

225 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:39:10am
The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel's own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen. Like bank robbers, who are interested in banks, gun traffickers are interested in FFLs because that's where the guns are. This is why FFLs are a large source of illegal guns for traffickers, who ultimately wind up selling the guns on the street.

According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."

But no, we don't need any of that nasty tyrannical government regulation here. Nope, no siree.

226 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:43:52am

re: #224 wrenchwench

The one with a bottle of booze is particularly scary. Bad combo.

Well, it IS the gov't that decided to have an agency that's called The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms

I wonder if he smokes Marlboros??
/

227 jaunte  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:51:36am
228 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:52:03am

re: #226 sattv4u2

Well, it IS the gov't that decided to have an agency that's called The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms

I wonder if he smokes Marlboros??
/

Are you kidding? Cigarettes can kill you.

229 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:52:07am

re: #226 sattv4u2

Well, it IS the gov't that decided to have an agency that's called The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms

I wonder if he smokes Marlboros??
/

They still call themselves the ATF, but they've added 'explosives' for even more fun!

In addition, the agency’s name was changed to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to reflect its new mission in the Department of Justice.

230 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:55:37am

Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
Who's bringing the chips?

231 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:01:57am
232 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:04:21am

re: #227 jaunte

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lol

233 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:04:27am

re: #226 sattv4u2

Hi Satt!

Got a question. I want to be a source of trouble for those many stations still booming commercials out at higher volume than the program. Any suggestions on how I can add good proof to my complaint? I'm thinking I need to record levels as incoming signals, so no one can just say it's my system. I may not have access to fancy equipment though.

234 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:05:27am

re: #231 Political Atheist

Good morning.
Let's take a silly talking point off the table.

Happy Boxing Day!

I'd call that more of a fauxtrage than a talking point. (Also, typo alert in the headline! I saw the Tweet.) Additional comment to be posted on the Page.

235 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:05:52am

re: #231 Political Atheist

Good morning.
Let's take a silly talking point off the table.

Misspelled David.

236 McSpiff  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:06:00am

Just dropping in to say Merry Christmas and a happy New Years to all the Lizards! Happy 2013 Honchos!

237 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:08:34am

re: #235 Eventual Carrion

re: #234 wrenchwench

Ugh. Sleepy fingers this am. Thanks fixed.

238 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:09:01am

I just bought myself this coffee maker so I hope it is a worthwhile purchase.

239 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:09:12am

re: #237 Political Atheist

re: #234 wrenchwench

Ugh. Sleepy fingers this am. Thanks fixed.

Dunk 'em in the coffee.

240 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:13:29am

re: #239 wrenchwench

Dunk 'em in the coffee.

Just make sure it's not mcdonald's coffee.

241 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:15:03am

I must say it is nice to NOT have to work Dec. 26. I don't remember the last time I had this day off. Working call centers/retail it's pretty much a given you'll be working 12/26.

The casino is open today but I was not scheduled and surprisingly the retail store didn't call me in either.

I guess I was due for a break after working this day seven years in a row.

242 jaunte  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:16:30am

Adventures in astroturfing.

"Richard K. Armey, the group’s chairman and a former House majority leader, walked into the group’s Capitol Hill offices with his wife, Susan, and an aide holstering a handgun at his waist. The aim was to seize control of the group and expel Armey’s enemies: The gun-wielding assistant escorted FreedomWorks’ top two employees off the premises, while Armey suspended several others who broke down in sobs at the news."

Dick Stephenson then apparently paid in $12 million to get Armey out.

243 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:20:29am

re: #236 McSpiff

Just dropping in to say Merry Christmas and a happy New Years to all the Lizards! Happy 2013 Honchos!

You too Spiffy!

244 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:22:13am

re: #241 dragonfire1981

I must say it is nice to NOT have to work Dec. 26. I don't remember the last time I had this day off. Working call centers/retail it's pretty much a given you'll be working 12/26.

The casino is open today but I was not scheduled and surprisingly the retail store didn't call me in either.

I guess I was due for a break after working this day seven years in a row.

245 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:25:21am

re: #202 Gus

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Not the same thing. the people in Orlando are acting and aren't threatening others. Al Qaeda and its allies in Mali have already killed thousands in Mali, so their willingness to kill is undoubted.

246 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:31:06am

Wingnuts totally losing their shit over David Gregory.


247 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:31:07am

The fire is now under control. It started in a work trailer adjacent to 1WTC and the 9/11 Memorial/Museum.

248 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:33:08am

Brian Fischer, Dana Loesch, Glenn Reynolds: Omnipetulant.

249 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:42:44am

re: #246 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Wingnuts totally losing their shit over David Gregory.

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Interesting how quick they are to throw the 1st Amendment under the bus. That's all the magazine was, a prop for a speech.

250 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:45:09am

re: #249 Mich-again

Interesting how quick they are to throw the 1st Amendment under the bus. That's all the magazine was, a prop for a speech.

Wingnuts only care about the 1st Amendment as long as it protects their hate speech against Gays, Blacks, Muslims and the President.

251 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:45:24am

re: #249 Mich-again

Prop in an argument. Yes. Also a violation of the DC Code. As such, it should be investigated and if the law was broken, then it should be treated as such.

I just find it hypocritical that the very people who demand unfettered access to these kinds of materials and firearms want to see Gregory hauled away in handcuffs.

252 Cinnabar  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:46:12am

re: #238 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I just bought myself this coffee maker so I hope it is a worthwhile purchase.

Just curious... how do you kosher a coffee maker? If you steam milk with the steam nozzle, can you serve espresso at a meal where meat is served?

(Oh, by the way, may you satisfy your caffeine cravings for many years with your new toy.)

253 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:46:19am

re: #249 Mich-again

Interesting how quick they are to throw the 1st Amendment under the bus. That's all the magazine was, a prop for a speech.

Yes, but that's not an excuse. "Unlawful to possess" means just what it says. But that having been said, I'd just fine the guy the prescribed $1000, maybe have him do community service for a day or two and leave it at that.

254 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:46:20am

re: #249 Mich-again

Interesting how quick they are to throw the 1st Amendment under the bus. That's all the magazine was, a prop for a speech.

I'm not calling for Gregory to be fired or arrested or reprimanded in any way, but it was a dumb move by him and worse (imho) the producer of the show. You want to do something like that, fine, but a call to the authorities for clearance and/ or finding the legalities of it should have been done 1st.

255 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:48:36am

re: #252 Cinnabar

Just curious... how do you kosher a coffee maker? If you steam milk with the steam nozzle, can you serve espresso at a meal where meat is served?

(Oh, by the way, may you satisfy your caffeine cravings for many years with your new toy.)

I haven't even thought about that, but I plan to use the machine for dairy only.

It can probably be koshered by running boiling water through the steam pump, but I'll have to ask Zedushka about that. He likes to drink coffee after a meat meal, I prefer tea.

256 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:49:29am

The wingnut brigade has been quite vehement in their demands to gut the First Amendment in pursuit of having a completely unfettered and unregulated 2d Amendment, when their plain language suggests the opposite.

The 1st provides for an unfettered right (but which the Courts have repeatedly found that government can impose restrictions).

The 2d provides a limited right (but the Courts have found that government limitations are just that - limited).

Some of these folks, including the legal types like Reynolds, have argued that the power of the 2d backs the 1st Amendment's right to free speech.

An argument can be made that it's the opposite.

It was the right to free speech - and political speech in particular - that made everything else possible. Now, these wingnuts are pushing to punish someone for speaking their mind on a hot-button topic, and the wingnut response is to silence him. Outstanding work that.

257 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:50:51am

*face palm*


Hey dumbass, it's the GOP that wants to raise taxes on the middle class, not Obama!

But don't let facts get in the way of a big old hate.

258 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:51:26am

re: #256 lawhawk

The wingnut brigade has been quite vehement in their demands to gut the First Amendment in pursuit of having a completely unfettered and unregulated 2d Amendment, when their plain language suggests the opposite.

The 1st provides for an unfettered right (but which the Courts have repeatedly found that government can impose restrictions).

The 2d provides a limited right (but the Courts have found that government limitations are just that - limited).

Some of these folks, including the legal types like Reynolds, have argued that the power of the 2d backs the 1st Amendment's right to free speech.

An argument can be made that it's the opposite.

It was the right to free speech - and political speech in particular - that made everything else possible. Now, these wingnuts are pushing to punish someone for speaking their mind on a hot-button topic, and the wingnut response is to silence him. Outstanding work that.

But speech is useless with the force to defend it. It doesn't matter what you have to say if I can just punch you in the mouth if I don't like it, not unless there's something to stop me.

259 Cinnabar  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:52:51am

re: #257 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

*face palm*

[Embedded content]


Hey dumbass, it's the GOP that wants to raise taxes on the middle class, not Obama!

But don't let facts get in the way of a big old hate.

Not to mention he's cutting short his "lavish Hawaii vacation" because of the impending tax hike on middle class families.

260 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:53:44am

re: #251 lawhawk

Prop in an argument. Yes. Also a violation of the DC Code. As such, it should be investigated and if the law was broken, then it should be treated as such.

I just find it hypocritical that the very people who demand unfettered access to these kinds of materials and firearms want to see Gregory hauled away in handcuffs.

I think that falls into the discretion of the local prosecutor. Assuming it's not from a prop house (I think it was, not hard to get) the worst that should happen is a strong letter, perhaps demanding a hand over of the magazine and a warning to not do that again. Dunno but I hope there is that kind of leeway involved. Journos need room to work.

261 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:53:54am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

But speech is useless with the force to defend it. It doesn't matter what you have to say if I can just punch you in the mouth if I don't like it, not unless there's something to stop me.

Weird that the Founding Fathers chose to make the very first Amendment about speech and not AR-15's.

262 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:54:43am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

The Bill of Rights is what the federal government can or can't do.

You misunderstand the purpose of the Bill of Rights.

The right to free speech prevents the government from silencing speech it doesn't like.

263 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:55:24am

I'm struck by the efforts to interpret and re-interpret the Constitution in new and ever more twisted ways. That's been being done with the bible for 1500 years.

Same shit different document.

264 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:56:40am

re: #256 lawhawk

Great post.. And too, the NRA puts part of the blame mass shooting on the media because they reported on previous tragedies and that inspired future mass murderers to become famous.

265 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:57:41am

re: #259 Cinnabar

Not to mention he's cutting short his "lavish Hawaii vacation" because of the impending tax hike on middle class families.

Wingnuts complain about "Obama's lavish vacations and golf games" not realizing that 1) all Presidents WORK even when they are not in DC 2) Obama comes nowhere near other Presidents in time spent on the golf course.

266 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:58:42am

Good afternoon Lizards.

Cold and snow covered up here in western NY state. Staying put at least another day or two since the weather is being nasty down in the NYC through Philadelphia areas (snow -> rain).

Sitting in front of the wood stove drinking tea. Would be doing a load of laundry, but the SIL beat me to it since she wanted to wash linens.

Still mulling cameras. My brother has a Coolpix L810 - compact, has a good zoom ability and adjustment features for different lighting conditions. My niece has a Nikon SLR digitial of some sort. Larger, and probably a bit more complex than I need. (Looking for something that has better zoom and outdoor wildlife picture capabilities than a point-n-shoot, but still more of a tourist picture shooter than a pro.) So I'm favoring something like my brother's camera.

267 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:59:43am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

But speech is useless with the force to defend it. It doesn't matter what you have to say if I can just punch you in the mouth if I don't like it, not unless there's something to stop me.

So free speech is only attainable through a threat of implied violence? Without guns there is no free speech. Hmmm.

268 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:01:00am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

But speech is useless with the force to defend it. It doesn't matter what you have to say if I can just punch you in the mouth if I don't like it, not unless there's something to stop me.

What are you trying to say? That people need to be armed to preserve their free speech rights, and I assume all of their other rights as well? If that was the case, they would have switched the first two amendments.

269 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:02:55am

The tree of lib-ur-tea must be watered...

270 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:03:43am

re: #267 Gus

So free speech is only attainable through a threat of implied violence? Without guns there is no free speech. Hmmm.

Freedom must be defended, and the ability to stop an attacker is the first and most critical form of defense. Violence does not need to be implied. what needs to be done is to make clear that an attacker will find no easy prey going after you. The best form of self defense is deterrence.

It is just to be able to use force, but it is not a thing one should want to do.

271 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:03:49am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

I don't think you articulated this very well (and if that is what you meant, I don't think you thought it out very well)

272 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:03:52am

re: #266 Feline Fearless Leader

Good afternoon Lizards.

Cold and snow covered up here in western NY state. Staying put at least another day or two since the weather is being nasty down in the NYC through Philadelphia areas (snow -> rain).

Sitting in front of the wood stove drinking tea. Would be doing a load of laundry, but the SIL beat me to it since she wanted to wash linens.

Still mulling cameras. My brother has a Coolpix L810 - compact, has a good zoom ability and adjustment features for different lighting conditions. My niece has a Nikon SLR digitial of some sort. Larger, and probably a bit more complex than I need. (Looking for something that has better zoom and outdoor wildlife picture capabilities than a point-n-shoot, but still more of a tourist picture shooter than a pro.) So I'm favoring something like my brother's camera.

Have you looked at the new "mirrorless" cameras? They take a variety of lenses like an SLR. But they have modes from full autopilot to long exposures. Canon is weak in this category, but others are rockin it.

273 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:03:56am

re: #256 lawhawk

The wingnut brigade has been quite vehement in their demands to gut the First Amendment in pursuit of having a completely unfettered and unregulated 2d Amendment, when their plain language suggests the opposite.

[snip]

Yep, which one says nothing about regulation and which one does?

1st Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


2nd Amendment
A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

274 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:04:37am

re: #269 Gus

The tree of lib-ur-tea must be watered...

Less water please

I like stronger tea!!

275 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:05:56am

re: #254 sattv4u2

I'm not calling for Gregory to be fired or arrested or reprimanded in any way, but it was a dumb move by him and worse (imho) the producer of the show. You want to do something like that, fine, but a call to the authorities for clearance and/ or finding the legalities of it should have been done 1st.

Instead of using a real clip they should have carved a replica out of of a bar of soap like Woody Allen did in "Take the Money and Run". That would have been good enough for him to flash across the screen.

276 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:05:57am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

But speech is useless with the force to defend it. It doesn't matter what you have to say if I can just punch you in the mouth if I don't like it, not unless there's something to stop me.

Like my fist coming straight back at your nose?

277 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:06:21am

Bleh. Consider that a drive by. Too much tea in here this morning.

278 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:06:51am

re: #275 Mich-again

Instead of using a real clip they should have carved a replica out of of a bar of soap like Woody Allen did in "Take the Money and Run". That would have been good enough for him to flash across the screen.

Dillinger escaped from prison using a "gun" carved out of soap and painted with shoe polish.

279 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:07:26am

re: #269 Gus

The tree of lib-ur-tea must be watered...

Peace is the Dream of the Wise. War is the History of Man.

- Sir Richard Francis Burton

280 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:07:34am

re: #275 Mich-again

Instead of using a real clip they should have carved a replica out of of a bar of soap like Woody Allen did in "Take the Money and Run". That would have been good enough for him to flash across the screen.

Back when Woody was making funny and fun movies!!!

281 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:07:51am

re: #278 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Dillinger escaped from prison using a "gun" carved out of soap and painted with shoe polish.

Well when Woody tried that, it rained and he ended up with a handful of suds. ha

282 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:09:10am

re: #266 Feline Fearless Leader

Some of the Panasonic Lumix cameras have great glass and image quality. More than a standard point and shoot, but not as complex as the DSLR.

Nikon and Canon have good models as well, but Nikon's probably better in that segment than Canon. Panasonic may be almost as good based on price/features.

283 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:10:17am

re: #278 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Dillinger escaped from prison using a "gun" carved out of soap and painted with shoe polish.

He also stole two Thompson submachineguns during his escape, one of which which the FBI later recovered from a cache Dillinger had hidden along Chicago's Lake Michigan shoreline.

284 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:10:52am

Snowing even harder outside.

285 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:12:02am

re: #254 sattv4u2

I can see some local TV guy making that mistake. I still think it was a prop. Heck could have been a mag from an airsoft gun.
[Link: www.airsoftextreme.com...]

286 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:14:14am

re: #284 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Snowing even harder outside.

I know right. It might actually stick.

287 gwangung  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:14:44am

re: #265 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Wingnuts complain about "Obama's lavish vacations and golf games" not realizing that 1) all Presidents WORK even when they are not in DC 2) Obama comes nowhere near other Presidents in time spent on the golf course.

Obama was going HOME TO THE FAMILY. Like so many of us do over the holidays.

Once again, holding the black man up to a higher standard than they would a white man.

288 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:15:38am

Also, some interesting stuffed animals:

Image: Squid_and_pals.jpg

My niece got a crystal from Brazil for Christmas. She put a LED under it to make it glow and we have pictures of her in a cloak with the lit crystal and a wooden prop sword getting attacked by the squid coming out of a closet. (Tentacle on her shoulder as she looks back at it in horror.) Not downloaded yet, so I can't upload one of those. Should also photoshop that one into having a stone cavern background. :)

289 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:16:34am

re: #287 gwangung

Obama was going HOME TO THE FAMILY. Like so many of us do over the holidays.

Once again, holding the black man up to a higher standard than they would a white man.

I don't know that he has any family still in Hawaii but it is his home state. And the wingnut golf obsession is totally bogus. Did they complain about Bill Clinton playing this much golf?

290 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:16:43am

re: #284 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Snowing even harder outside.

Been coming down pretty steady and hard for the last hour here in NW Pennsylvania. Gonna be a nasty drive home from work in a few hours if the road crews can't keep up. They implemented a new Internet firewall the other weekend here at work and all weather sites are blocked. I have been harassing the sysAdmin all morning about removing that block.

291 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:18:33am

re: #289 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I don't know that he has any family still in Hawaii but it is his home state. And the wingnut golf obsession is totally bogus. Did they complain about Bill Clinton playing this much golf?

Yes, as did the 'other side" complaining about how much time Bush spent at his ranch in Crawford

Hell, Cindy Sheehan CAMPED out there when he was was in town!!

292 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:19:18am

re: #290 Eventual Carrion

Been coming down pretty steady and hard for the last hour here in NW Pennsylvania. Gonna be a nasty drive home from work in a few hours if the road crews can't keep up. They implemented a new Internet firewall the other weekend here at work and all weather sites are blocked. I have been harassing the sysAdmin all morning about removing that block.

A year ago I was driving home from NY and just missed this I-80 pileup because I don't like to drive after dark.

293 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:24:28am

re: #292 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

A year ago I was driving home from NY and just missed this I-80 pileup because I don't like to drive after dark.

Once it's snow and/or wind involved I avoid I-80 on my drives. Just do I-86, I-81 and the PA turnpike. Or simply wait an extra day and leave early to do all of the drive in full light.

294 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:25:57am

re: #291 sattv4u2

Yes, as did the 'other side" complaining about how much time Bush spent at his ranch in Crawford

Hell, Cindy Sheehan CAMPED out there when he was was in town!!

It's a hater-meme that's been in place since Clinton. It's used to feed anger-junkies who don't like the current president.

295 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:27:22am

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

It's a hater-meme that's been in place since Clinton. It's used to feed anger-junkies who don't like the current president.

It's been there longer than Clinton's time. It just seems (because it is) worse with each succeeding office holder

296 gwangung  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:29:12am

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

It's a hater-meme that's been in place since Clinton. It's used to feed anger-junkies who don't like the current president.

Yeah, a President HAS to spend some time relaxing. It's a matter of keeping the mind sharp....it's strictly job performance.

Not that you want a president sending more time on vacation than in the White House, but let be realistic here....

297 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:29:31am

re: #292 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

A year ago I was driving home from NY and just missed this I-80 pileup because I don't like to drive after dark.

I think at that time I told you that you guys passed within a few hundred yards of the front door to my work (just overlooking I-80). It is starting to look the same again. Hopefully not with the same outcome.

298 Mattand  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:30:30am

re: #251 lawhawk

Prop in an argument. Yes. Also a violation of the DC Code. As such, it should be investigated and if the law was broken, then it should be treated as such.

I just find it hypocritical that the very people who demand unfettered access to these kinds of materials and firearms want to see Gregory hauled away in handcuffs.

It never ceases to amaze me how conservatives constantly view a free press as detrimental to the Constitution.

299 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:33:34am

re: #295 sattv4u2

It's been there longer than Clinton's time. It just seems (because it is) worse with each succeeding office holder)

It corresponds with the rise of AM radio and the internet. Now the hate has become it's own media market.

300 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:37:03am

re: #299 Kronocide

It corresponds with the rise of AM radio and the internet. Now the hate has become it's own media market.

That is true. More people now feel they can spew the most vile things while hiding behind the anonymity of a chat room screename or a call in show

301 stabby  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:44:47am

re: #215 William Barnett-Lewis

Were you deliberately referencing this movie?

302 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:45:36am

New dinosaur found in San Juan Capistrano: a Kerfufflesaurus.

303 stabby  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:45:43am

I saw that movie, it was pretty good, but you end up feeling sorry for everyone in it.

304 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:58:25am

re: #301 stabby

Were you deliberately referencing this movie?

Yep. Loved it.


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