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1 austin_blue  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 3:12:11pm

My core body temperature dropped four degrees just watching that. Brrr...

2 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 3:15:59pm

I'm trying to figure out how they got some of those eye-popping tracking shots.

3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 3:30:23pm

Ok, so despite me mocking it mercilessly I have found that the Skyrim: Hearthfire DLC is quite fun, just wish there were more options for the type of home to build.

4 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 3:34:13pm

From Apocalypse to Dystopia

WE’RE a little overwrought now.

The N.R.A. understands that. It’s as patient with us as a husband with a tremulous pregnant wife prone to crying jags.

This is just a passing meltdown. We’ll get ourselves back under control soon and things will return to normal.

For decades, when the public has grown more sympathetic to gun control after an attempted assassination or a spike in gun murders or a harrowing school shooting, Wayne LaPierre and his fellow N.R.A. officials have hunkered down to wait for the “emotional period” or “hysteria,” as they call it, to pass.

They rule in the back rooms on Capitol Hill and rein in panicked senators and congressmen who fret that they should support some measly legislation to pretend they are not pawns of the gun lobby.

They defend anyone owning anything with a trigger, reiterating that military-style semiautomatics are just uglier hunting guns.

5 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 3:36:21pm

What strikes me about this video:

[Link: uk.reuters.com...]

Is how they are all dressed alike... as in uniform.

Of course, grandpa was one of Tojo's key industrial weenies and cabinet members.

6 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 3:37:10pm

Charles, a question for you. What company did you use to evaluate your comic book collection?

Just had some moron offer me $5.00 for a mint condition, unopened, #1 issue Ren and Stimpy Show comic (with scratch and Sniff card). Yet their web site is selling the same comic (open and minus the card) for $12.91 for a "near mint" condition.

7 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 3:45:09pm

George Bush senior in intensive care

Former US president George HW Bush has taken a turn for the a worse and is in intensive care after a "stubborn fever" delayed his recovery from bronchitis, a spokesman said this morning.

"He's had a series of setbacks now that have landed him in guarded condition in the intensive care unit," spokesman Jim McGrath told the AFP news agency.

The 88-year-old was first admitted to Methodist Hospital in Houston on November 7 for bronchitis treatment and released on November 19.

But he was readmitted on November 23 after his cough flared up again.

Doctors had initially hoped to have the elder statesman home for Christmas, but he was instead forced to spend the holiday in hospital, where he was joined by his wife Barbara, son Neil and grandson Pierce.

"I wouldn't say he was able to celebrate it in the traditional sense," Mr McGrath said. "His family was with him, and he's conscious and he's able to engage in humorous banter with his doctor."

More...

9 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 3:46:55pm

If only we had moar gunz... then America would be a better place to live.

10 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 3:51:34pm

re: #5 freetoken

What strikes me about this video:

[Link: uk.reuters.com...]

Is how they are all dressed alike... as in uniform.

Of course, grandpa was one of Tojo's key industrial weenies and cabinet members.

"It is goodbye
Over the mountains I go today
To the bosom of Buddha
So happy am I."

- Tojo's final poem, written shortly before his death. Though longer than a traditional death haiku, it served the same function.

11 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:01:33pm

In other news today:

Memorial to 38 hanged Dakota men unveiled in Minn.

The Tea Partiers may want to white-wash American history and erase our bloody past (except for the War Between The States, of course), but we do indeed have a bloody past.

12 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:02:29pm

I had to go to work today. I made it through, but it was a rather bitter experience.

At least the traffic was light.

13 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:07:12pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I'm trying to figure out how they got some of those eye-popping tracking shots.

Guide wire?

14 austin_blue  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:07:14pm

re: #11 freetoken

In other news today:

Memorial to 38 hanged Dakota men unveiled in Minn.

The Tea Partiers may want to white-wash American history and erase our bloody past (except for the War Between The States, of course), but we do indeed have a bloody past.

Saw this...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

15 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:08:38pm

It looks like San Diego's new mayor, a Democrat and previously member of Congress, feels some freedom to speak his mind:

San Diego mayor takes to L.A. public radio to blast Obama and Congress

In a partial transcript of the session, posted today on KPCC's website, the liberal Democrat first unloads on the GOP.

"I couldn’t believe the kind of people who had come and taken power. Many of them had never had any government experience. They had no respect as it were for government per se. I mean, I don’t know why you run for government office with the intent to close up government."

Filner says half of the Congress didn't believe in science; they thought that "climate change didn’t exist, did not believe in stem cell research, thought that you teach creationism and not evolution." "If you have a group like that, what do you do?" says Filner. "There’s no reaching across the aisle."

Hehe... then he turns on the President:

Filner saves his harshest words for his own party: A President who gives away the store before sitting down to negotiate; Democrats who had run the House for 40 years didn’t understand you can’t legislate as a minority; leadership wasting its time in the weeds on the process of government rather than the politics of trying to win back the House.

"When we were in the minority they would always have motions," he says, for things like defeating the previous question. "Well, who cares about those?" He says nobody knew "what the hell we were talking about and yet we spent all our energy on that."

Glad at least someone of notice is willing to speak out.

16 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:11:43pm

re: #11 freetoken

In other news today:

Memorial to 38 hanged Dakota men unveiled in Minn.

The Tea Partiers may want to white-wash American history and erase our bloody past (except for the War Between The States, of course), but we do indeed have a bloody past.

In times of old, the victories of US forces over the Native American nations were celebrated. Nowadays, some try to whitewash it because the truth is too widely known for them to celebrate acts of unjust aggression. The Dakota were greatly mistreated and many of those sentenced to death weren't given fair trials. Lincoln knew this and had most of the death sentences commuted, but ordered them carried out in 39 cases (though one of those men was reprieved when testimony casting doubt on his conviction came to light).

17 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:16:38pm

re: #11 freetoken

In other news today:

Memorial to 38 hanged Dakota men unveiled in Minn.

The Tea Partiers may want to white-wash American history and erase our bloody past (except for the War Between The States, of course), but we do indeed have a bloody past.

"The Sioux Indians of Minnesota must be exterminated or driven forever beyond the borders of the state."
-- Minnesota Governor Alexander Ramsey

18 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:20:26pm

re: #17 Gus

"The Sioux Indians of Minnesota must be exterminated or driven forever beyond the borders of the state."
-- Minnesota Governor Alexander Ramsey

That did not fully happen in 1862, but that was only because so many of the able bodied white population was called away to fight the Civil War. The War Between the States marked a pause in westward expansion, though Native Americans were found on both side of the war.

19 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:20:59pm

re: #12 Stanghazi

I had to go to work today. I made it through, but it was a rather bitter experience.

At least the traffic was light.

Overtime, or double time, I hope.
Happy New Years, baby!

20 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:22:57pm

On a completely unexpected topics - anyone here have any experience with silver-aluminum alloys?

Not commonly encountered, I'm thinking of using such alloy in a future project.

There are online resources courtesy of Google, of course, but they are sparse an often old, or sit behind pay-walls.

21 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:23:33pm

re: #11 freetoken

In other news today:

Memorial to 38 hanged Dakota men unveiled in Minn.

The Tea Partiers may want to white-wash American history and erase our bloody past (except for the War Between The States, of course), but we do indeed have a bloody past.

Reconciliation Riders

A group of Dakota people on horseback make the annual trip to Reconciliation Park in Mankato to remember the 38 men who were hanged near the site 150 years ago. The hanging was the largest mass execution in United States history.

22 rwdflynavy  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:24:18pm
23 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:25:09pm

re: #20 freetoken

On a completely unexpected topics - anyone here have any experience with silver-aluminum alloys?

Not commonly encountered, I'm thinking of using such alloy in a future project.

There are online resources courtesy of Google, of course, but they are sparse an often old, or sit behind pay-walls.

making some custom wheels!?!?
Image: New-18-8-Hyper-Silver-Machined-Edge-FC-STAM-BK340-Aluminum-Alloy-Wheels-DHL-Free-Shipping.jpg

24 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:27:44pm

re: #19 Dancing along the light of day

Overtime, or double time, I hope.
Happy New Years, baby!

Yesterday was double time. Even though I didn't have to go in I was the "on call" person just in case, so i chalked up the minimum (4 hours) for that over and above the 8 "regular" ones

Today, just a normal 10 hour shift

25 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:27:55pm

re: #19 Dancing along the light of day

Happy New Year to you too Floral!!

26 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:28:49pm

re: #23 sattv4u2

No, but I'd like to make a large pendant/small sculpture that will be several troy ounces in weight, and given the price of silver (and that I don't like Sterling for various reasons) I thought maybe an Al-Ag alloy might be an answer.

27 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:30:01pm

re: #26 freetoken

No, but I'd like to make a large pendant/small sculpture that will be several troy ounces in weight, and given the price of silver (and that I don't like Sterling for various reasons) I thought maybe an Al-Ag alloy might be an answer.

RWC is the guy to ask.

28 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:31:23pm

re: #27 Stanghazi

RWC is the guy to ask.

We'll see if we can catch him later.

29 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:31:37pm

re: #26 freetoken

No, but I'd like to make a large pendant/small sculpture that will be several troy ounces in weight, and given the price of silver (and that I don't like Sterling for various reasons) I thought maybe an Al-Ag alloy might be an answer.

Ahh
Well, sorry, but my oven doesn't go up to 1200-1500 degrees!!!!

30 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:31:50pm

Apparently Crapo did vodka shots before he got behind the wheel.

Wonder who the young thing was who got him all wild and crazy.

31 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:32:19pm

re: #29 sattv4u2

Nothing an acetylene/oxygen torch can't solve.

32 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:33:49pm

re: #31 freetoken

Nothing an acetylene/oxygen torch can't solve.

Yup, but your average Tupperware doesn't hold up well to mix molten metal in!!

//

33 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:36:04pm

DAKOTA 38

In the spring of 2005, Jim Miller, a Native spiritual leader and Vietnam veteran, found himself in a dream riding on horseback across the great plains of South Dakota. Just before he awoke, he arrived at a riverbank in Minnesota and saw 38 of his Dakota ancestors hanged. At the time, Jim knew nothing of the largest mass execution in United States history, ordered by Abraham Lincoln on December 26, 1862. "When you have dreams, you know when they come from the creator... As any recovered alcoholic, I made believe that I didn't get it. I tried to put it out of my mind, yet it's one of those dreams that bothers you night and day."

Now, four years later, embracing the message of the dream, Jim and a group of riders retrace the 330-mile route of his dream on horseback from Lower Brule, South Dakota to Mankato, Minnesota to arrive at the hanging site on the anniversary of the execution. "We can't blame the wasichus anymore. We're doing it to ourselves. We're selling drugs. We're killing our own people. That's what this ride is about, is healing." This is the story of their journey- the blizzards they endure, the Native and Non-Native communities that house and feed them along the way, and the dark history they are beginning to wipe away.

34 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:36:13pm

Don't ask, just read the reviews.

35 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:37:51pm

re: #34 Kronocide

Don't ask, just read the reviews.

“ Mine didn't come with instructions, so I'm returning it. ”

I'm surprised he's not suing because it didn't come with a Warning Label that stated;

NOT TO BE USED ON YOUR PERSONAL BANANA!!

36 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:39:45pm

re: #33 Gus

DAKOTA 38

[Embedded content]

Damn you and your Vimeos!

I'll watch at home....

37 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:41:06pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

Damn you and your Vimeos!

I'll watch at home....

DAKOTA 38 - Full Movie in HD

38 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:43:09pm

21 year old furnace going out! Getting a new one tomorrow!

39 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:46:12pm

re: #37 Gus

DAKOTA 38 - Full Movie in HD

[Embedded content]

Thanks! But I think I'll save that for at home too, since it's over an hour long....

40 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:47:35pm

re: #38 prairiefire

21 year old furnace going out! Getting a new one tomorrow!

G'luck

We have a two zone system (separate HVAC systems for downstairs where the kitchen, dining, living and family rooms are and upstairs where the bedrooms are)

Replaced both original (20 years old) furnaces and both A/C units 2 summers ago. The difference in efficiencies is AMAZING

41 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:48:30pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

Thanks! But I think I'll save that for at home too, since it's over an hour long....

Yep. It's pretty long. It's not exactly a history of the events but more of current events and reconciliation.

42 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:57:10pm

re: #38 prairiefire

Good luck, and probably a good thing you're doing it now and not after the new year (May 1). There is a new efficiency rule that would make it more difficult to do thru-chimney exhausts except under certain conditions - the newest high efficiency units require direct venting to the exterior (no more chimney venting required because the exhaust gases aren't warm enough to push up and out - that's how they get their efficiency). That could push your replacement costs higher due to possible relocation of components (if say your current furnace doesn't allow for a direct venting).

43 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:57:10pm

re: #41 Gus

Yep. It's pretty long. It's not exactly a history of the events but more of current events and reconciliation.

With beautiful horses as a bonus!

44 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:58:06pm

re: #40 sattv4u2

Yes, we should get at least 30% better eff. We are getting the 80% eff. model. After March everyone will HAVE to buy a 90% eff.

45 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:58:29pm

Oh, just saved myself a few bucks by replacing the valve stems on one of the faucets. Not too shabby - only took 2 trips to HD to get the right part (the brand replacement didn't work right, but the generic did, go figure). Once the right part was in hand? 10 minutes.

46 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:58:32pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

With beautiful horses as a bonus!

Looks really really cold. :O

47 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:59:14pm

Newcomer 'rosiee' put up a page liked to the excretable Gatestone Institute, where noted hater Fjordman is a 'senior fellow'. I reported the Page, but it was taken down before I could post a comment explaining why it was wrong to post stuff from there. Thank you Charles and Stinky for your prompt action in taking out the trash.

48 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:59:17pm

re: #42 lawhawk

Yes, extra PVC piping for venting, pain in the neck.

49 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:00:31pm

re: #46 Gus

Looks really really cold. :O

And no space heaters!!

50 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:01:28pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

And no space heaters!!

Space heater is a lie!

I'm sitting over one as I type.

51 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:02:05pm

re: #26 freetoken

No, but I'd like to make a large pendant/small sculpture that will be several troy ounces in weight, and given the price of silver (and that I don't like Sterling for various reasons) I thought maybe an Al-Ag alloy might be an answer.

If heft is the goal I'd go with a Tungsten-Nickel alloy. It'll polish up to a similar finish and be cheaper by the ounce, though more difficult to machine.

52 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:02:19pm

re: #42 lawhawk

Good luck, and probably a good thing you're doing it now and not after the new year (May 1). There is a new efficiency rule that would make it more difficult to do thru-chimney exhausts except under certain conditions - the newest high efficiency units require direct venting to the exterior (no more chimney venting required because the exhaust gases aren't warm enough to push up and out - that's how they get their efficiency). That could push your replacement costs higher due to possible relocation of components (if say your current furnace doesn't allow for a direct venting).

It figures that a socialist like Obama would have regulations go into effect on May Day! #tcot #WAR!

/Dana Loesh

53 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:02:38pm

Django was good. Just got back.

I love Tarantino movies!

54 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:03:29pm

So, right after we said goodbye to my step-mom, she headed downstairs to check on my stomach virus ill dad, and threw up all over herself before she made it to the bottom of the stairs. My mom and brother were still there to finish the cleaning up. My boy was at home with a 103 fever w/ my hubby.
But we soldiered on and had Christmas, darn it!

55 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:03:48pm

WTF? I signed up for Hulu+ and it won't work on my Blu Ray?

56 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:04:44pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

For the record, the law enacting that particular change in efficiency was signed into law by President Bush in 2007.

57 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:04:52pm

re: #34 Kronocide

Don't ask, just read the reviews.

slinky? I never thought of that!

:0

58 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:06:07pm

re: #56 lawhawk

For the record, the law enacting that particular change in efficiency was signed into law by President Bush in 2007.

Cool, but Loesh is still nutty enough and dishonest enough to blame Obama for it.

59 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:06:27pm

re: #53 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Yes. It really was good. And it mixes entertainment and disturbing subject matter in a weird way that works - and is actually thought provoking. It's gotten people talking about the subject matter.

60 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:06:47pm

The girls went to see Le Miz, my treat. Everybody loved it and boo hooed, and my daughter never cries at movies. She loved, loved, loved it.

61 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:07:52pm

re: #60 prairiefire

That's next up on my movie queue.

62 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:09:28pm

Let's see. 12 light years = 70,540,000,000,000 miles. So if we average 20,000 MPH it would take us 3,527,000,000 hours to get there or 402,395 years. That's not gonna work. //

63 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:09:46pm

have to do laundry now.

later all!

64 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:12:38pm

re: #62 Gus

Let's see. 12 light years = 70,540,000,000,000 miles. So if we average 20,000 MPH it would take us 3,527,000,000 hours to get there or 402,395 years. That's not gonna work. //

Dude. Have some Faith.

65 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:13:27pm

re: #64 Kronocide

Dude. Have some Faith.

Gonna need a bigger engine motor.

66 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:13:27pm

re: #59 lawhawk

Yes. It really was good. And it mixes entertainment and disturbing subject matter in a weird way that works - and is actually thought provoking. It's gotten people talking about the subject matter.

re: #60 prairiefire

The girls went to see Le Miz, my treat. Everybody loved it and boo hooed, and my daughter never cries at movies. She loved, loved, loved it.

I'm so movie challenged. Totally considered both Django and Les Mis, but chickened/lazied out.

Ended up watching Ted with Mark Wahlberg and a little 420. Quite enjoyable!

Thanks for the reviews, I believe I will venture out!

67 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:13:55pm

re: #50 Gus

Space heater is a lie!

I'm sitting over one as I type.

We have one of these with the red bulb (scroll down) under the desk where the 'puter is. I think it might be better than a space heater if it's not too drafty there, and certainly more efficient.

68 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:14:55pm

re: #67 wrenchwench

We have one of these with the red bulb (scroll down) under the desk where the 'puter is. I think it might be better than a space heater if it's not too drafty there, and certainly more efficient.

Thanks. For now I'll alternate between space heater and rage.

69 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:15:17pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

Update. Rosiee took the problematic Page down herself. I thank her for doing that.

70 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:15:19pm

Those crazy Syrian improvised weapons
Syria - Massey Ferguson 57mm Autocannon Technical


I thought the straw was for camouflage or something but it looks like they just didn't bother to take it off the tractor.
71 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:16:40pm

re: #65 Gus

Gonna need a bigger engine motor.

Fuel Cell Reactor Matrix.

72 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:17:01pm

re: #66 Stanghazi

re: #60 prairiefire

I'm so movie challenged. Totally considered both Django and Les Mis, but chickened/lazied out.

Ended up watching Ted with Mark Wahlberg and a little 420. Quite enjoyable!

Thanks for the reviews, I believe I will venture out!

420?

73 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:17:26pm

re: #71 Kronocide

Fuel Cell Reactor Matrix.

Zefram Cochrane

74 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:17:53pm

re: #68 Gus

Thanks. For now I'll alternate between space heater and rage.

I think either can be addictive....

75 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:18:00pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

haha Dark. That's code. Lookie it up.

76 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:21:05pm

I have an iTunes gift certificate and I'm thinking of spending it on the HD version of The Dark Knight Rises, which I never saw. Worth it?

77 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:22:40pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Those crazy Syrian improvised weapons
Syria - Massey Ferguson 57mm Autocannon Technical

[Embedded content]


I thought the straw was for camouflage or something but it looks like they just didn't bother to take it off the tractor.

Accuracy is going to be crap, given how that gun wobbles heavily after each shot.

78 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:23:19pm

re: #73 Gus

Zefram Cochrane

Capt. Dudley Smith

79 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:25:00pm

re: #75 Stanghazi

haha Dark. That's code. Lookie it up.

The only code I've ever heard 420 used for refers to a product whose plant of origin is related to a plant that was once used to make rope. Is that what you're talking about?

80 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:25:46pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

The only code I've ever heard 420 used for refers to a product whose plant of origin is related to a plant that was once used to make rope. Is that what you're talking about?

Ya that stuff Geo. Washington grew. For rope.

81 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:26:13pm

My favorite Christmas gift: Metrokane Vertical Rabbit Lever Style Corkscrew. This thing is incredibly awesome. Opens a bottle of wine in about two seconds with almost no effort.

82 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:32:00pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

My favorite Christmas gift: Metrokane Vertical Rabbit Lever Style Corkscrew. This thing is incredibly awesome. Opens a bottle of wine in about two seconds with almost no effort.

Does it work on those screw top bottles? And what about boxes?

83 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:32:08pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Accuracy is going to be crap, given how that gun wobbles heavily after each shot.

I think they're just happy it doesn't flip over. Hitting anything would be a bonus.

84 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:34:21pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

My favorite Christmas gift: Metrokane Vertical Rabbit Lever Style Corkscrew. This thing is incredibly awesome. Opens a bottle of wine in about two seconds with almost no effort.

Added to my wish list for Passover!

85 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:34:30pm

Later, lizards.

Stanley, I hope it opens for you. Those Cheezburger folks don't have their images as .jpgs any more. They've gotten crafty.

86 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:35:41pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

Later, lizards.

Stanley, I hope it opens for you. Those Cheezburger folks don't have their images as .jpgs any more. They've gotten crafty.

It did, it did!! Have a great night!

87 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:36:08pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

Later, lizards.

Stanley, I hope it opens for you. Those Cheezburger folks don't have their images as .jpgs any more. They've gotten crafty.

Image: h4789AD28.jpg

88 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:37:14pm

re: #87 Gus

Image: h4789AD28.jpg

Removed the forward slash at the end and added .jpg

89 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:38:05pm

re: #88 Gus

Removed the forward slash at the end and added .jpg

Favorited for future reference!

90 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:39:12pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

Favorited for future reference!

Was a wild guess on my part. ;)

91 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:45:45pm

Ross Douthat has weighed in on the cultural fallout from the Newtown shootings. He goes after Michael Bloomburg, as you'd expect, but then goes on to smack Wayne LaPierre even harder:

The leading gun control chorister was Michael Bloomberg, and this was fitting, because on a range of issues New York’s mayor has become the de facto spokesman for the self-consciously centrist liberalism of the Acela Corridor elite. Like so many members of that class, Bloomberg combines immense talent with immense provincialism: his view of American politics is basically the famous New Yorker cover showing Manhattan’s West Side overshadowing the world, and his bedrock assumption is that the liberal paternalism with which New York is governed can and should be a model for the nation as a whole.

It’s an assumption that cries out to be challenged by a thoughtful center-right. If you look at the specific proposals being offered by Bloomberg and others, some just look like reruns of assault weapon regulations that had no obvious effect the last time they were tried. Others still might have an impact on gun violence, but only at a cost: the popular idea of cracking down hard on illegal handguns, for instance, would probably involve “stop and frisk” on a huge scale, and might throw more young men in prison at a time when our incarceration rates are already too high.

But instead of a kind of skepticism and sifting from conservatives, after a week of liberal self-righteousness the spotlight passed instead to ... Wayne LaPierre. And no Stephen Colbert parody of conservatism could match the National Rifle Association spokesman’s performance on Friday morning.

It wasn’t so much that LaPierre’s performance made no concession whatsoever on gun restrictions or gun safety — that was to be expected. It was that he launched into a rambling diatribe against an absurdly wide array of targets, blaming everything from media sensationalism to “gun-free schools” signs to ’90s-vintage nihilism like “Natural Born Killers” for the Newtown tragedy. Then he proposed, as an alternative to the liberal heavy-handedness of gun control, something equally heavy-handed — a cop in every school, to be paid for by that right-wing old reliable, cuts to foreign aid.

Read the whole thing.

92 Interesting Times  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:49:20pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Ross Douthat has weighed in on the cultural fallout from the Newtown shootings. He goes after Michael Bloomburg, as you'd expect, but then goes on to smack Wayne LaPierre even harder:

Read the whole thing.

Meh. Too much MBF, as usual. There is no, and I repeat NO, equivalence on the so-called "left" to the spittle-spewing insanity spouted by LaPierre.

93 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:50:36pm

re: #92 Interesting Times

Meh. Too much MBF, as usual. There is no, and I repeat NO, equivalence on the so-called "left" to the spittle-spewing insanity spouted by LaPierre.

Even if you think that, this is refreshing to read:

The right-wing view is embittered, paranoid and confused. It opposes anything the establishment supports but doesn’t know what it wants to do instead. (Defund government or protect Medicare? Break up the banks or deregulate them? Send more troops to Libya or don’t get involved? Protect our liberties or put our schools on lockdown?) Sometimes the right’s “just say no” approach holds the establishment at bay — as on climate change and immigration, to date. But sometimes, as the House Republicans are demonstrating in the budget showdown, it makes the eventual defeat that much more sweeping.

94 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:51:45pm

Night Lizards

95 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:52:05pm

re: #92 Interesting Times

Meh. Too much MBF, as usual. There is no, and I repeat NO, equivalence on the so-called "left" to the spittle-spewing insanity spouted by LaPierre.

The whole CYA dance that the NRA and it's lackeys (Douthat) are doing is contemptible. I do believe most people see it.

96 Interesting Times  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:52:48pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

Even if you think that, this is refreshing to read:
...
"Sometimes the right’s “just say no” approach holds the establishment at bay — as on climate change and immigration, to date."

Huh? I don't even understand what point Douthat's trying to make there. Is he saying the right's climate-change denial and immigrant-hate is a good thing? o_O

97 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:54:28pm

re: #96 Interesting Times

Huh? I don't even understand what point Douthat's trying to make there. Is he saying the right's climate-change denial and immigrant-hate is a good thing? o_O

Yep, that's what he's saying.

98 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:55:21pm

hack hack hack

99 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:58:31pm

Ross Douthat is trying to be the good cop to Wayne LaPierre's bad cop. The whole right wing universe is currently triangulating, trying to find the right talking points to make people forget the horror of Newtown.

That's the purpose of the David Gregory fake outrage, too.

100 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:58:56pm

Watching the Keystone Cops routine in Congress would be amusing, if the situation weren't so desperate. At this point, it seems that our legislative branch has effectively ceased to function. The Tea Party got its wish, it has ended compromise by simply assuring that no bills will ever leave the House.

101 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:59:49pm

re: #96 Interesting Times

Huh? I don't even understand what point Douthat's trying to make there. Is he saying the right's climate-change denial and immigrant-hate is a good thing? o_O

What he is saying is that the right has prevented the action the establishment left wants in these areas. I don't think Douthat thinks hate is good, but he doesn't want an amnesty without the southern border being locked down.

102 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:01:13pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

Ross Douthat is trying to be the good cop to Wayne LaPierre's bad cop. The whole right wing universe is currently triangulating, trying to find the right talking points to make people forget the horror of Newtown.

That's the purpose of the David Gregory fake outrage, too.

You are in error, Charles. Douthat knows much of the right is behaving stupidly, but like me he does not know how to make them stop.

103 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:03:45pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

Ross Douthat is trying to be the good cop to Wayne LaPierre's bad cop. The whole right wing universe is currently triangulating, trying to find the right talking points to make people forget the horror of Newtown.

That's the purpose of the David Gregory fake outrage, too.

It seems that nobody is biting on "mental illness," so now the argument has turned to "A ban won't work!"

104 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:04:38pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

Ross Douthat makes a good living by being a beard for the far right -- the ostensibly moderate Republican who actually supports every right wing issue, no matter how extreme, but talks a great line and hides it very well.

105 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:05:31pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Ross Douthat makes a good living by being a beard for the far right -- the ostensibly moderate Republican who actually supports every right wing issue, no matter how extreme, but talks a great line and hides it very well.

So, basically the same line of work Frum's in?

106 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:06:27pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

So, basically the same line of work Frum's in?

Pretty much.

107 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:07:42pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Ross Douthat makes a good living by being a beard for the far right -- the ostensibly moderate Republican who actually supports every right wing issue, no matter how extreme, but talks a great line and hides it very well.

I actually would say Douthat isn't a moderate, he's just smart enough to realize that ultimately simply screaming "No!" and stamping your feet doesn't work. Government does have things it needs to do and the current paralysis isn't good for the nation.

108 Interesting Times  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:10:43pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

What he is saying is that the right has prevented the action the establishment left wants in these areas. I don't think Douthat thinks hate is good, but he doesn't want an amnesty without the southern border being locked down.

If that partisan hackwit is defending lack of action on climate change, he can to take a long walk off a short pier, preferably in an area affected by rising sea levels.

109 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:11:19pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

What he is saying is that the right has prevented the action the establishment left wants in these areas. I don't think Douthat thinks hate is good, but he doesn't want an amnesty without the southern border being locked down.

Look at the last election results regarding Hispanic turnout, and tell me that holding the establishment at bay hasn't already led to sweeping defeat. In an effort to stave off whites becoming a demographic minority the GOP's immigration policy has already led to disastrous political consequences. The same thing will happen as climate change becomes more and more self evident.

Failure to accept and deal with reality is always self defeating in the long term.

110 Interesting Times  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:13:22pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

Failure to accept and deal with reality is always self defeating in the long term.

Durr hurr, we'll be dead by then, so who cares! Let's just do as much damage as we can in the meantime. Derp.

/GOP

111 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:14:02pm

I'm thinking of using that iTunes gift certificate on Resident Evil: Retribution because Milla Jovovich.

112 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:14:30pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Ross Douthat has weighed in on the cultural fallout from the Newtown shootings. He goes after Michael Bloomburg, as you'd expect, but then goes on to smack Wayne LaPierre even harder:

Read the whole thing.

In the first two paragraphs of that op-ed piece, here's how he describes the "left":

"Self-righteous certainties"
"Chorister"
"Self-consciously centrist liberalism of the Acela Corridor elite" (my favorite!)
"Provincialism"
"Liberal paternalism"

However, folks on his side -- and I'd bet dollars to donuts this is self-descriptive -- are the "thoughtful center-right."

Riiiiiiiiight.

113 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:14:52pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

I actually would say Douthat isn't a moderate, he's just smart enough to realize that ultimately simply screaming "No!" and stamping your feet doesn't work. Government does have things it needs to do and the current paralysis isn't good for the nation.

Part of things being done is accepting that ideology sometimes have to give way to practicality. Douthat's not arguing for that, if anything, he's arguing that inaction is preferable if it means avoiding actions that would go against one's ideology.

114 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:16:21pm

re: #112 BongCrodny

Bad HTML tag - fixed it for you. Reload to see the comment.

115 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:16:27pm

NOOOOOO!

Not the three dots! NOT THE THREE DOTS!!!

116 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:19:44pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

I'm thinking of using that iTunes gift certificate on Resident Evil: Retribution because Milla Jovovich.

Milla Jovovich would have been so much better as Black Widow than Scarlett Johanssen.

117 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:19:59pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

Fifth Element. Better flick.

118 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:20:47pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

You are in error, Charles. Douthat knows much of the right is behaving stupidly, but like me he does not know how to make them stop.

maybe you could make a start by telling them how much they are being lied to about "what liberals believe"

for example, just by chance i happen to have just been reading an "article" in pj media that states:

The members of the progressive-Left were demanding standards of Judeo-Christian morality be replaced with new (arbitrary) standards handed down from central councils and planning committees.

[Link: pjmedia.com...]

119 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:21:12pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

He's making clear that you have to be for something and not just be saying 'no' all the time. That doesn't mean he wants thing to move in what he considers the wrong direction. But it does mean that he understands that that is what will end up happening if those who are right-of-center do not get their heads in the game and articulate what they think is the way forward. Tone deaf BS like what LaPierre served up isn't going to cut it.

120 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:21:44pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Ross Douthat has weighed in on the cultural fallout from the Newtown shootings. He goes after Michael Bloomburg, as you'd expect, but then goes on to smack Wayne LaPierre even harder:

Read the whole thing.

Here's how Douthat describes the "New York elite" in the first two paragraphs of his op-ed piece:

"Self-righteous certainties"
"Chorister"
"Self-consciously centrist liberalism of the Acela Corridor elite" (my favorite!)
"Provincialism"
"Liberal paternalism"

Then in the very next paragraph *his* guys get described as "thoughtful center-right."

Why the hell should I bother reading anything after that?

121 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:22:24pm

re: #116 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Milla Jovovich would have been so much better as Black Widow than Scarlett Johanssen.

I disagree. Johanssen is the better actress IMO.

122 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:25:30pm

re: #115 BongCrodny

NOOOOOO!

Not the three dots! NOT THE THREE DOTS!!!

I was influenced to use 3 dots when I post because of growing up reading Herb Caen in the SF Chron every day.
RIP Herb

123 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:26:00pm

re: #116 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I can see Milla as Black Widow, but ScarJo did quite well for herself.

I'm sure there are a few Avengers that Milla could work on...or out...

Wasp or Scarlet Witch. I'm going with the latter.

124 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:27:10pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. Johanssen is the better actress IMO.

She was awesome in ' Lost in Translation '

125 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:27:14pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

It seems that nobody is biting on "mental illness," so now the argument has turned to "A ban won't work!"

i liked it when they were trying out "laws won't help because criminals don't obey laws"

they should put it in the platform

126 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:28:05pm

re: #120 BongCrodny

What Douthat says is "It’s an assumption that cries out to be challenged by a thoughtful center-right." He uses the rest of the paragraph to describe what he thinks is wrong with the approaches of those he sees as Michael Bloomberg's circle. But the critical point is his use of 'a' instead of 'the' prior to the phrase "thoughtful center-right". He believes that such a center-right is needed, but he uses the next paragraph to start making his case that it is not operational at this time. He knows that refusniks like Wayne LaPierre are the voice of the right currently, and he understands that to be a very bad thing.

127 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:28:15pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

He's making clear that you have to be for something and not just be saying 'no' all the time. That doesn't mean he wants thing to move in what he considers the wrong direction. But it does mean that he understands that that is what will end up happening if those who are right-of-center do not get their heads in the game and articulate what they think is the way forward. Tone deaf BS like what LaPierre served up isn't going to cut it.

Perhaps if he and others of the "right-of-center" persuasion had made such things clear back in '10, we wouldn't find ourselves in the present situation. You can't elect a pack of ideologues under the assumption that they can be controlled once in office. You would think they'd have learned that lesson with Crazy Uncle Liberty.

128 jaunte  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:29:33pm

re: #120 BongCrodny

Then in the very next paragraph *his* guys get described as "thoughtful center-right."

Does he have anyone particular in mind?

129 SidewaysQuark  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:30:11pm

re: #118 engineer cat

maybe you could make a start by telling them how much they are being lied to about "what liberals believe"

I, for one, have been quite gobsmacked to find out what I "believe" from those who have smacked the liberal label on me.

If liberals actually were what these freaks pretended liberals were, every liberal I've known would instantly disavow it. I sure as hell know that if 10% of what conservatives actually said about Obama was remotely true, I'd not have voted for him. Glad I've learned better.

130 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:30:19pm

re: #123 lawhawk

I can see Milla as Black Widow, but ScarJo did quite well for herself.

I'm sure there are a few Avengers that Milla could work on...or out...

Wasp or Scarlet Witch. I'm going with the latter.

Casting games are fun.

I also think Milla would have made an excellent Black Widow -- but I think that the producers could have got a lot of mileage out of "Scarlett as Scarlet."

131 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:31:04pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

You are in error, Charles. Douthat knows much of the right is behaving stupidly, but like me he does not know how to make them stop.

so, dark - don't you talk to conservative friends of yours who tell you that we "leftists" are against freedom, want government to run everybody's lives, admire castro and stalin, hate success, and want to punish successful people by taking their money away and giving it to bad lazy people?

what do you tell them?

132 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:31:29pm

Perhaps the reason the "thoughtful center-right" isn't in operation is because they skipped town? And the ones who didn't were launched out, boot firmly in ass, by the Tea Party on the declaration that "compromise" is a four-letter word?

133 William of Orange  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:31:49pm

Another Foxnews caption fail.

Though this one is a lot more innocent than an R/D mixup.

134 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:35:42pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. Johanssen is the better actress IMO.

Hello! It's The Avengers. It's a comic book, it ain't freakin' Shakespeare.

135 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:36:50pm

Did anybody see "Jack Reacher"? Is shrimpy little Tom Cruise believable as a 6'5" 250-lb bad ass?

136 jaunte  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:38:01pm

re: #135 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

One of my co-workers was complaining about that at lunch.

137 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:38:07pm

re: #134 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Hello! It's The Avengers. It's a comic book, it ain't freakin' Shakespeare.

An better actor/actress is still a good thing to have. A poor quality one can drag down even a popcorn movie.

138 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:38:25pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

It seems that nobody is biting on "mental illness," so now the argument has turned to "A ban won't work!"

Funny how the wingnuts won't accept that argument if it is applied to abortion.

139 Kragar  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:40:28pm

re: #138 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Funny how the wingnuts won't accept that argument if it is applied to abortion.

Or marijuana.

140 TedStriker  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:42:12pm

re: #118 engineer cat

maybe you could make a start by telling them how much they are being lied to about "what liberals believe"

for example, just by chance i happen to have just been reading an "article" in pj media that states:

The members of the progressive-Left were demanding standards of Judeo-Christian morality be replaced with new (arbitrary) standards handed down from central councils and planning committees.

[Link: pjmedia.com...]

Commies!

/better dead than red

141 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:43:02pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

Perhaps if he and others of the "right-of-center" persuasion had made such things clear back in '10, we wouldn't find ourselves in the present situation. You can't elect a pack of ideologues under the assumption that they can be controlled once in office. You would think they'd have learned that lesson with Crazy Uncle Liberty.

For Ross Douthat, as with a number of conservatives (including me) the 2012 election was a clearing of vision. We had to realize our side has a very serious problem and won't be able to to win the chance to govern or even be able to govern nationally till the problem is put on the path to correction.

142 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:44:38pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

For Ross Douthat, as with a number of conservatives (including me) the 2012 election was a clearing of vision. We had to realize our side has a very serious problem and won't be able to to win the chance to govern or even be able to govern nationally till the problem is put on the path to correction.

So, how many of ya'll will be breaking ties with the GOP? Refusing to vote for them? Perhaps even checking out conservative Dems in the same districts/states?

And how many will continue to pull the "R" lever while continuing to make excuses?

143 Kragar  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:45:02pm

How every woman uses her private parts or how grown consenting adults choose to live their lives is apparently totally up for regulation, but managing ownership of a firearm is not.

144 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:45:13pm

GHWB moved to icu.

What a suck to be in the hospital for Christmas.

Hope he's very comfortable. What else can you hope for? People get old. Sick.

145 jaunte  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:50:20pm

re: #144 Stanghazi

His family tried to smuggle some curative Chinese food in to him, but the doctor wouldn't let him have it.

146 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:52:14pm

re: #145 jaunte

His family tried to smuggle some curative Chinese food in to him, but the doctor wouldn't let him have it.

He's on a liquid diet right now.

147 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:53:31pm

re: #145 jaunte

His family tried to smuggle some curative Chinese food in to him, but the doctor wouldn't let him have it.

Because of GHWB, my sons refused to eat broccoli.

They didn't even fall for the trick "Look! Cute delicious little trees!"

148 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:58:22pm

And Mandela at 94 is released from hospital after gall bladder surgery.

I think I will choose 90 (if I'm lucky) to be my cut off for any surgery. Really?

149 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:04:59pm

re: #148 Stanghazi

And Mandela at 94 is released from hospital after gall bladder surgery.

I think I will choose 90 (if I'm lucky) to be my cut off for any surgery. Really?

Despite some dementia, Mandela can still have good quality of life post surgery. And if that's the case, better to do it. It's not just age, it's more 'What's the procedure?' and 'How much good will it do?'. Each person and every family must make that choice themselves.

150 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:07:07pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

For Ross Douthat, as with a number of conservatives (including me) the 2012 election was a clearing of vision. We had to realize our side has a very serious problem and won't be able to to win the chance to govern or even be able to govern nationally till the problem is put on the path to correction.

You've got to stop condoning bigotry, voting for and supporting bigots. So far I don't see you realizing that, at all.

Mr Takei can go beam himself up. He seems to think that anyone who finds homosexuality morally wrong can't rule on matters relating to it as a judge. It's an attempt to ensure that only judges who favor his side will hear cases relating to homosexuality.

Republicans, especially social conservatives, need to realize that enforcing religious morality in law is, in many cases not only highly unethical but fundamentally antithetical to any modern understanding of basic civil rights.

Your party is stuck in the past, and it's not going to drag itself into the present. If individual members refuse to evolve and stop tolerating the hatred within their midst then the party will remain stuck, becoming more and more a political anachronism.

151 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:16:47pm

Congress Solves Fiscal Cliff, Continues Status Quo For One More Year

promises to commit mass suicide naked and wearing pink lipstick in red square using blunt wooden swords on 1 jan 2014 if compromise not reached by then

152 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:18:07pm

re: #151 engineer cat

Congress Solves Fiscal Cliff, Continues Status Quo For One More Year

promises to commit mass suicide naked and wearing pink lipstick in red square using blunt wooden swords on 1 jan 2014 if compromise not reached by then

Vladimir Putin frowns on naked protests, so you'd need someplace other than Red Square. :D

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:20:10pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

What Douthat says is "It’s an assumption that cries out to be challenged by a thoughtful center-right." He uses the rest of the paragraph to describe what he thinks is wrong with the approaches of those he sees as Michael Bloomberg's circle. But the critical point is his use of 'a' instead of 'the' prior to the phrase "thoughtful center-right". He believes that such a center-right is needed, but he uses the next paragraph to start making his case that it is not operational at this time. He knows that refusniks like Wayne LaPierre are the voice of the right currently, and he understands that to be a very bad thing.

Thoughtful center right exists. Our President is that (and is the best republican president since Ike) & much of the Democratic Party is too. The GOP is just that far out in Wingnuttia.

What we really need is a center left because there is no real political left, as the world understands that, in America today.

154 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:21:12pm

re: #153 William Barnett-Lewis

Thoughtful center right exists. Our President is that (and is the best republican president since Ike) & much of the Democratic Party is too. The GOP is just that far out in Wingnuttia.

What we really need is a center left because there is no real political left, as the world understands that, in America today.

Barack Obama is a man of the left. He's not 'center-right' and to say he is is silly.

155 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:28:27pm

re: #153 William Barnett-Lewis

Thoughtful center right exists. Our President is that (and is the best republican president since Ike) & much of the Democratic Party is too. The GOP is just that far out in Wingnuttia.

What we really need is a center left because there is no real political left, as the world understands that, in America today.

I've been hesitant to jump in on this one but I think yours is the first thoughtful comment on the issue. There's been much bitching at sites like Dkos lately about how Obama and the Dems have sold out their progressive supporters, I guess this happens after elections in second terms. The fringes on both sides (yes, MBF - blah blah blah) feed on emotional gratification, outrageous outrages, temper tantrums and counterproductive bullying and are baffled why the politicians they support aren't engaging in the same self destructive behaviour. What both sides need is pragmatic leadership from the top down which means real leaders explaining hard truths to their respective bases. Of course this is unlikely, it's just easier to pander to the unwashed masses and throw them under the bus when convenient.

156 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:28:31pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Barack Obama is a man of the left. He's not 'center-right' and to say he is is silly.

move him over the u.s. border in any direction and he instantly becomes a center-right politician

i can't really think of any policies of his that could be described as "leftist" - for example, obamacare mandates no non private medical insurance or care. if he is a leftist, then bismark and churchill were leftists

157 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:32:35pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Barack Obama is a man of the left. He's not 'center-right' and to say he is is silly.

Don't dismiss the idea so easily. From a progressive point of view he is very much "center right". He hasn't freed all those poor oppressed innocent souls in GITMO, he continues drone strikes, wars in foreign lands, indefinite detention, pragmatic economic policies like not rounding up bankers and capitalists for crimes against humanity, close ties to Israel, etc. It's all based in pragmatism but from a progressive viewpoint he's a moderate conservative.

158 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:33:47pm

re: #156 engineer cat

move him over the u.s. border in any direction and he instantly becomes a center-right politician

i can't really think of any policies of his that could be described as "leftist" - for example, obamacare mandates no non private medical insurance or care. if he is a leftist, then bismark and churchill were leftists

It was also hailed as the conservative solution to the healthcare crisis. Good example.

159 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:36:08pm

OMG!
Image: 772.png
"I like Obama because he's a wingnut"

160 jaunte  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:36:23pm

Moderate Republicans have been losing their seats.

Of 216 House Republicans who ran for reelection, only 14 were defeated, a mortality rate of just over 6%.

Members of the tea party caucus did even better than that; only about 5% were defeated. (The losers included Allen West of Florida and Joe Walsh of Illinois, two especially fiery members whose constituents ran out of patience.)

Which Republicans lost their seats? Moderates and moderate conservatives, disproportionately.

Among the incumbents who ran for reelection, 48 were members of a group called the Republican Main Street Partnership, nonradical conservatives who sometimes call themselves "center right." Seven of those 48 lost their seats — a mortality rate of 15%, more than twice as high as Republicans in general.

When you add retirements and other departures, more than a dozen moderate conservatives won't be coming back next year.
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

161 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:37:59pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Don't dismiss the idea so easily. From a progressive point of view he is very much "center right". He hasn't freed all those poor oppressed innocent souls in GITMO, he continues drone strikes, wars in foreign lands, indefinite detention, pragmatic economic policies like not rounding up bankers and capitalists for crimes against humanity, close ties to Israel, etc. It's all based in pragmatism but from a progressive viewpoint he's a moderate conservative.

But I don't normally see things through a progressive point of view, my natural viewpoint being conservative.

162 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:42:54pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

But I don't normally see things through a progressive point of view, my natural viewpoint being conservative.

i wonder what would happen if the words 'conservative', 'liberal', 'fascist', 'progressive', 'moderate', & etc didn't exist and we all had to describe our political positions in terms of actual policy detail

163 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:44:03pm

re: #162 engineer cat

i wonder what would happen if the words 'conservative', 'liberal', 'fascist', 'progressive', 'moderate', & etc didn't exist and we all had to describe our political positions in terms of actual policy detail

There'd be a lot fewer dumb people in politics, that's for sure.

164 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:46:27pm

re: #162 engineer cat

i wonder what would happen if the words 'conservative', 'liberal', 'fascist', 'progressive', 'moderate', & etc didn't exist and we all had to describe our political positions in terms of actual policy detail

B b b but what would we do with all the little boxes we put people in?

Don't you care about the box makers?

165 Interesting Times  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:46:46pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

So go on and describe "conservatism" in policy detail, and sell us on what's good about it.

166 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:47:43pm

Somebody said Milla Jovovich and I lost my train of thought.

What about the Stylish and Sexy Queen of Zombie Massacre?

167 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:47:47pm

re: #160 jaunte

It's the purification of the GOP underway.

168 jaunte  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:47:55pm

One of the "members of a group called the Republican Main Street Partnership, nonradical conservatives who sometimes call themselves "center right":

Bill Johnson, U.S. House - District 6, Ohio.

From the "Special Interest Group Ratings" at Vote Smart:

2011 American Conservative Union - Lifetime Score 92%
2011 American Conservative Union - Positions 92%
2011 Concerned Women for America - Positions 96%
2011 Eagle Forum - Positions 53%
2011 Heritage Action for America - Positions (House Only) 86%
2011 National Journal - Conservative Composite Score 85%
2011 National Journal - Conservative on Foreign Policy Score 86%
2011 National Journal - Liberal on Foreign Policy Score 9%
2011 National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy 17%
2011 National Journal - Liberal Composite Score 16%
2011 National Journal - Conservative on Social Policy Score 83%
2011 National Journal - Conservative on Economic Policy Score 90%
2011 National Journal - Liberal on Economic Policy Score 10%
2011 The Club for Growth - Positions 70
2011 The John Birch Society - Positions (Summer-Fall) 70%
2011 The John Birch Society - Positions (Spring-Summer) 80%

2011 The New American - Positions on Conservative Issues 70%
[Link: votesmart.org...]

And this guy is considered a moderate.

169 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:49:30pm

I've been re-viewing various episodes of Stargate TV series, and one factoid stands out about the universe - English is spoken on most planets.

170 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:50:49pm

re: #160 jaunte

Moderate Republicans have been losing their seats.

No way. When did this start happening?

171 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:51:06pm

re: #162 engineer cat

i wonder what would happen if the words 'conservative', 'liberal', 'fascist', 'progressive', 'moderate', & etc didn't exist and we all had to describe our political positions in terms of actual policy detail

Most people adopt those terms to avoid critical thought. People on their own as individuals are much more interesting and nuanced but issues are complicated. Most of us have only a very basic understanding of economics or science. Social issues and demographics trends are complicated and solutions are often unpleasant realities. People adopt political labels to avoid thinking or learning, The labels come with a whole host of prepackaged solutions already made for us. Individuality is not required and is generally frowned upon.

172 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:51:44pm

re: #169 freetoken

I've been re-viewing various episodes of Stargate TV series, and one factoid stands out about the universe - English is spoken on most planets.

Lucky for them.

173 jaunte  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:53:09pm

Cathy McMorris Rodgers (eastern Washington) got the same ratings as Johnson from the John Birch Society:

2011 The John Birch Society - Positions (Spring-Summer) 80%
2011 The John Birch Society - Positions (Summer-Fall) 70%

[Link: votesmart.org...]

174 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:54:03pm

re: #168 jaunte

2011 Concerned Women for America - Positions 96%

This also raises the "how is this considered 'moderate'?" question.

175 jaunte  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:57:36pm

Ok, another "moderate" chosen at random: Mike Simpson:

2011 The John Birch Society - Positions (Spring-Summer) 80%
2011 The John Birch Society - Positions (Summer-Fall) 70%
[Link: votesmart.org...]

176 jaunte  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:02:29pm

Fred Upton, also of the moderate Republican Main Street Partnership:

2011 Concerned Women for America - Positions 96%
2011 The John Birch Society - Positions (Summer-Fall) 80%
2011 The John Birch Society - Positions (Spring-Summer) 90%
[Link: votesmart.org...]

178 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:05:37pm

The term I use most of the time, in describing much of the GOP and the Tea Partying crowd is "reactionary right".

The term "reactionary" itself can be ambiguous out of context. We all "react" to the stimuli in our environment - all living things do.

However, in the context of politics, especially in a nation with political parties, campaigns, elections, and entrenched institutions, "reactionary right" I use to describe the essential views of those who are rejecting recent changes in their society, which they see as an affront to them, and as a group devise goals to return to an earlier era.

"Revanchist" is accurate too, but it implies "taking back", which indeed holds true of much of the Tea Partying crowd.

The policy centers of the GOP are strongly tilted towards idolizing previous eras, of returning somehow to an older order of things.

While the Democratic party is pretty much controlled by entropy, it does have pocket of thinkers who are more actively engaged in finding ideas for our own times and for the near and far futures that are not just business as usual. But, as the link I posted earlier about new San Diego mayor Bob Filner illuminated, there is plenty of blame to go around, for our national political ineptness.

179 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:09:41pm

Tight.

180 Interesting Times  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:10:07pm

re: #178 freetoken

But, as the link I posted earlier about new San Diego mayor Bob Filner illuminated, there is plenty of blame to go around, for our national political ineptness.

Yes. The GOP is bat-guano-loco, and the Democrats aren't doing enough to stop them (or at the very least make GOP insanity more obvious to voters)

181 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:10:14pm

I see Clarice Feldman of American Thinker got a blog award. When I first started blogging I ran into her on the net. I haven't talked to her in years.
She showed great kindness to me and I will always like her even if we on opposite sides of the political fence. She is a good person.

182 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:14:57pm

re: #180 Interesting Times

Yes. The GOP is bat-guano-loco, and the Democrats aren't doing enough to stop them (or at the very least make GOP insanity more obvious to voters)

To me the Democratic Party is a good example of the power of entropy.

183 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:24:08pm

Buble is supposed to be one of the top selling artists worldwide, but I'm not a fan. Nevertheless, there have to be fans:

184 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:25:30pm

Hmmm... that was supposed to be whole thing. Don't know what happened. It also jumped me out of the Spy window into the regular window, in Safari.

Weird.

185 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:26:42pm

Ok. let's try this link:

186 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:30:01pm

I wonder how many times that song has been recorded...

187 bratwurst  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:31:17pm

re: #183 freetoken

Buble is supposed to be one of the top selling artists worldwide, but I'm not a fan. Nevertheless, there have to be fans:

[Embedded content]

When I began my second stint residing in Germany nearly 10 years ago, people there were SHOCKED and dismayed that I didn't know or care about the great Bublé. Then I would mention my favorite German recording artists from the 70s (Can/Kraftwerk/Neu/Klaus Schulze) only to be met by blank looks, or something along the lines of "ja, ve have not heard zis in a long time".

188 jaunte  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:33:43pm

re: #183 freetoken

I hear that David Hasselhof loves Buble.

189 dragonath  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:36:53pm

re: #187 bratwurst

Heino

190 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:36:53pm

Ok, while I'm at it, here is an Oscar Peterson rendition of a standard song:

Some people have a problem playing mp3s from that server - I know not why.

191 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:37:02pm

re: #185 freetoken

Ok. let's try this link:

[Embedded content]

192 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:41:15pm

re: #185 freetoken

Ok. let's try this link:

[Embedded content]

that's interesting

glad to know that in some places at least, it's still 1956

/i'm mean!

193 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:43:44pm

Evening lizards!

I just saw this. Say a prayer for him y'all.

Get well soon George!

Bush 41 in 'guarded condition' in ICU

194 bratwurst  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:48:22pm

re: #189 dragonath

Heino

Nobody in my part of Germany (Rhein-Ruhr) knows Heino and they REALLY don't understand why Americans are always asking them about Hasselhoff. Baywatch and (especially) Knight Rider were big hits over there, and it is a bit of a European custom for TV stars to dabble in pop music as well...UK chart history is FULL of horrible examples of this.

195 dragonath  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:52:17pm

re: #176 jaunte

Just for the fun of it, here's a guy who gets a 100% from the John Birch Society:

Jason Chaffetz

The Club for Growth - Positions 100%
Heritage Action for America - Positions (House Only) 100%
The John Birch Society - Positions (Spring-Summer) 100%
American Conservative Union - Lifetime Score 100%
The Club for Growth - Positions 100%
Family Research Council - Positions 100%
American Family Association - Positions 94%

...

Gun Owners of America - Key Votes Alignment on Gun Rights - Federal Vote Scorecard - 112th Congress, First Session 100%

What a coincidence!

196 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:56:35pm

re: #29 sattv4u2

Ahh
Well, sorry, but my oven doesn't go up to 1200-1500 degrees!!!!

My wife has a kiln that does.

198 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:59:12pm

re: #196 b_sharp

My wife has a kiln that does.

Sup.

199 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:01:33pm

Didn't mean to dump and run with that semi-provocative comment earlier, though I stand by it. Had to help get the boy to bed and then got side tracked by my late Christmas present that arrived in today's mail.

A Mentor 13cm x 18 cm (5"x7") large format view camera with a 210/4.5 Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar normal lens and a 300/4.5 long focus CZJ Tessar lens. Strange huge camera from the DDR of yore but the price was right - Free - and it'll really expand my large format abilities from the small 4x5 Speed Graphic I've been using. My biggest problem is going to be that I don't have any way to scan that huge negative.

But even a journeyman photographer like me is going to get some good results out of that much glass and emulsion. When I get the money for some contact paper, I'll be set :)

200 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:01:57pm

re: #198 Gus

Sup.

Just finished Christmas supper a couple of hours ago, talked to my brother for a bit, played with my little grandson for a bit longer and watched my big grandson light up when he opened his Christmas gift - a new laptop.

It was a good day.

How are you doing?

201 dragonath  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:04:41pm

re: #199 William Barnett-Lewis

Never understood the reputation a lot of East German cameras get- the Prakticas and stuff I've come across are pretty nice.

Russian stuff is a different story.

202 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:06:05pm

re: #200 b_sharp

Just finished Christmas supper a couple of hours ago, talked to my brother for a bit, played with my little grandson for a bit longer and watched my big grandson light up when he opened his Christmas gift - a new laptop.

It was a good day.

How are you doing?

Getting by. Kind of warmed up. Talked to my mom and dad yesterday. I worry about my mom. I was still cold so I had to make a fast call -- I was grumpy.

203 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:07:37pm

Fast "call" not "cold." Forking shlit.

204 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:08:07pm

re: #202 Gus

Getting by. Kind of warmed up. Talked to my mom and dad yesterday. I worry about my mom. I was still cold so I had to make a fast cold -- I was grumpy.

Yah, your situation is pretty crappy. Do you have any friends there you can room with for a few days?

Your mom not doing well?

205 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:08:27pm

re: #203 Gus

Fast "call" not "cold." Forking shlit.

I caught it.

206 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:10:47pm

re: #204 b_sharp

Yah, your situation is pretty crappy. Do you have any friends there you can room with for a few days?

Your mom not doing well?

I'd have to DM. Can't really share anymore thanks to the stalkers.

207 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:13:54pm

I did a little investigation into the UK homicide rates and compared them to the NRA's buddy John Lott's claims during his argument with Piers Morgan. He cherry picked his data.

Why am I not surprised?

208 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:15:12pm

re: #206 Gus

I'd have to DM. Can't really share anymore thanks to the stalkers.

Just loaded up Twitter, so if you want, DM me.

209 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:15:14pm

re: #201 dragonath

Never understood the reputation a lot of East German cameras get- the Prakticas and stuff I've come across are pretty nice.

Russian stuff is a different story.

The only Russian gear I'll touch anymore is early Kiev's. Then again, that line was straight from Jena after the war...

This one's got some quirks, but it's well built and the glass is of the highest quality. Jena remained as good as the West German Zeiss all through the cold war. I'm really excited to have it and can't wait till it warms a smidge (-3 degrees F, clear skies & dropping ;) to go out and try it out.

210 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:15:59pm

Whatever happened to the private threads we used to have?

211 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:17:01pm

re: #199 William Barnett-Lewis

Didn't mean to dump and run with that semi-provocative comment earlier, though I stand by it. Had to help get the boy to bed and then got side tracked by my late Christmas present that arrived in today's mail.

A Mentor 13cm x 18 cm (5"x7") large format view camera with a 210/4.5 Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar normal lens and a 300/4.5 long focus CZJ Tessar lens. Strange huge camera from the DDR of yore but the price was right - Free - and it'll really expand my large format abilities from the small 4x5 Speed Graphic I've been using. My biggest problem is going to be that I don't have any way to scan that huge negative.

But even a journeyman photographer like me is going to get some good results out of that much glass and emulsion. When I get the money for some contact paper, I'll be set :)

You weren't being provocative. You didn't insult or wrong anyone. odd viewpoints ought not to be considered provocation. This isn't Red State, after all.

212 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:17:51pm

re: #210 b_sharp

Whatever happened to the private threads we used to have?

Not as much trolling as there used to be, mainly. People don't need the respite the way they used to. That's my theory, anyway.

213 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:18:49pm

Good night folks. Snow started up here in western NY state this afternoon. 8-10" on the ground here now and still coming down.

Since there is already a 2-3" base there might be some x-country skiing tomorrow. And my gear is here at my brother's since I know I won't get that sort of snow and base in downtown Philly any time soon. ;)

(Need to work off some of these Christmas cookies.)

214 Gus  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:20:29pm

re: #210 b_sharp

Whatever happened to the private threads we used to have?

No mas.

215 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:23:18pm

re: #212 William Barnett-Lewis

Not as much trolling as there used to be, mainly. People don't need the respite the way they used to. That's my theory, anyway.

We had private threads for a while but those overly obsessive nut cases we call ' the stalkers ' would send a sock to report on what we said.

216 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:27:22pm

It's 11:26pm here. I think I'll hit the sack so I can get up early tomorrow to play with my new toys.

217 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:30:12pm

Wayne LaPierre says felons and lunatics who attempt to buy guns should be arrested.

"I don't think it would make one difference," LaPierre replied. Instead, LaPierre attempted to shift the conversation to felons and "lunatics" who should be arrested if they try to purchase a gun.

But at the same time, NRA ready to fight background checks on private sales. ..

And, if you think the latest gun control debate will be limited solely to legislation to ban semi-autos and "large capacity" magazines, think again. Calls have already been renewed to subject all private sales of firearms to background checks, even among family members and friends, and to end mail-order sales of ammunition.

We knew that this fight was coming. But it's now crystal clear that this latest round is on an expedited track and the corresponding rhetoric has been amped up exponentially.

And the gun nuts lap it up. The NRA doesn't give a shit about the people killed by firearms. Dead bodies are free advertisement for them to help sell more guns.

218 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:30:29pm

I realize not everyone here is a fan of Walter Olson, but I thought he brought up some good points in his "Newtown Blame Chain" summary:

[Link: overlawyered.com...]

219 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:35:27pm

Good night all.

220 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:42:37pm

More Oscar:

221 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:16:57pm
"Good evening, I'm a lizard woman from the dawn of time and this is my wife."

Nice to see Lady Vastra and Jenny return in the Dr. Who Christmas Special.

222 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:37:37pm

Bump Fire.. A technique used with a slide stock on an AR15 to make a semi-automatic fire like a full automatic. yikes

223 Kragar  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:48:07pm

re: #222 Mich-again

Bump Fire.. A technique used with a slide stock on an AR15 to make a semi-automatic fire like a full automatic. yikes

[Embedded content]

A technique purely for hunting or self defense, I'm sure.

224 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:50:41pm

Since I'm ranting about schlock TV sci-fi ... One of the more stupid things stuck into stories/episodes are vertical elevators in ships, in space.

225 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:57:06pm

Where Wayne LaPierre claims that the NRA represents all 100 million Americans who own firearms, and uses the "tyranny" line.. link

The NRA is the largest and most active firearms rights organization in the world, with four million members who represent 100 million law-abiding Americans who own firearms.

I bet at least some of the 96 million Americans who own firearms but aren't in the NRA might dispute that the NRA represents them. And seeing as the NRA is universally known of in the circle of those who own firearms, I think their 4% membership ratio sucks. That tells me there are 24 gun owners who say f* the NRA for every one that sends them $10 a year for the gun porn.

226 Kragar  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:59:00pm

re: #224 freetoken

Since I'm ranting about schlock TV sci-fi ... One of the more stupid things stuck into stories/episodes are vertical elevators in ships, in space.

Forget where I saw it, but there was some scifi show where a ship had a simple motorized pulley system running along the walls and main corridors of the ship. You could go up or down shafts or corridors by clipping onto a belt going one way or the other.

227 JAFO  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 11:07:08pm

re: #225 Mich-again

I'm a firearm owner. I never once considered joining the NRA. They're dicks.

228 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 11:09:45pm
229 freetoken  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 11:55:22pm

Kathleen Battle:

230 engineer cat  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 11:57:59pm

"Good evening, I'm a lizard woman from the dawn of time and this is my wife."

sounds great on paper, but wait till you see how much the taxes are

231 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 11:59:10pm

Tap improv to FloBots..

232 researchok  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 12:06:16am

Morning, all

233 researchok  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 12:09:58am

re: #229 freetoken

It's been a year.

Time to break out the tunic and tights again.

234 Kragar  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 12:14:43am

Republican Party Too Extreme, Majority Of Americans Say: Poll

For the first time, a majority of Americans now say the Republican Party is too extreme, according to a poll released Thursday by CNN/ORC.

Fifty-three percent of people, including 22 percent of Republicans, said the GOP's views and policies have pushed them beyond the mainstream. The number is up dramatically from previous years. In 2010, fewer than 40 percent thought the party was too extreme.

Democrats were considered to be a "generally mainstream" party by 57 percent in the new poll.

235 researchok  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 12:15:18am

re: #220 freetoken

And I thought I had enough of Christmas music.

Great piece.

236 freetoken  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 12:15:46am

re: #230 engineer cat

"Good evening, I'm a lizard woman from the dawn of time and this is my wife."

Surely the Fundamentalists will complain about not just teh ghey but now the BBC is pushing inter-species "marriage".

Or maybe not - the socons seem to overlook Dr. Who for some reason, even though the main character is a blatant, and over the top, replacement-Christ.

237 freetoken  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 12:16:42am

re: #235 researchok

Oscar Peterson is always in season.

238 researchok  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 12:22:04am

re: #237 freetoken

Ain't that the truth.

Your 190 only reiterates that

239 Kragar  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 12:22:04am

re: #236 freetoken

Surely the Fundamentalists will complain about not just teh ghey but now the BBC is pushing inter-species "marriage".

Or maybe not - the socons seem to overlook Dr. Who for some reason, even though the main character is a blatant, and over the top, replacement-Christ.

Or is Jesus an over the top replacement for The Doctor?

240 freetoken  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 12:37:08am

re: #238 researchok

Well, I have thousands of links to Christmas music, but I figured that might just be a few hundred too many for some people...

241 freetoken  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 12:41:23am

Here's another Peterson performance, "A Child Is Born", from his 1970 album:

242 researchok  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 1:02:31am

re: #241 freetoken

I wonder how many times in a lifetime the Oscar Peterson's come around.

243 Kragar  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 1:49:41am

Its official. I hate working with resin based models.

244 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 2:20:40am

re: #243 Kragar

Its official. I hate working with resin based models.

stick to freebasing...

245 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:50:08am

Where is everybody?

I'm at work. So lame, nothing to do here. I've been putting comments in my code, could write a freaking novel.

Maybe I'll buy some stuff at Amazon.

246 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:55:55am

re: #245 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Playing golf? Seems to be the only thing on the mind of Drudge these days.

247 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:58:26am

Haven't seen this one reported:

3 people injured by gunfire at a party held at a church hall in Southern NJ over Christmas.

But authorities say it's not clear what sparked the shootings at the Saint Anthony's Greek Orthodox Church in Vineland, which occurred shortly after 1 a.m. Wednesday.

Police responding to a report of shots fired found three people had been shot.

Two victims were flown to a trauma center, but further details on their conditions were not disclosed. The third victim was treated at a hospital.

248 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:00:38am

re: #246 lawhawk

Playing golf? Seems to be the only thing on the mind of Drudge these days.

Golf is so lame.

249 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:01:09am

re: #248 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Golf is so lame.

Waste of an otherwise good walk.

250 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:24:07am

re: #223 Kragar

A technique purely for hunting or self defense, I'm sure.

No, it's for target shooting. Anyone who used that sort of 'bumpfire' device to shoot another person would find likely themselves up on charges, even if they were justified. Cops and prosecutors don't like devices like that and they'd use it as evidence of a 'Rambo mentality'. If one wants such a device, the rifle associated with it should be kept partially disassembled in a locked case or safe unless it is being taken out for target shooting. Keep a different, more defensible gun for self-defense.

251 A Mom Anon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:30:01am

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

Target shooting? That video didn't show anyone aiming at anything at all specific that I could see. Unless there's another way of doing the bump fire technique, I'm not sure how firing from belt loop height is going to hit any kind of target. Enlighten me if I'm just being goofy.

252 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:33:31am

re: #249 Sol Berdinowitz

Waste of an otherwise good walk.

And of otherwise good land which could be used for something else.

253 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:35:49am

re: #245 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Where is everybody?

I'm at work. So lame, nothing to do here. I've been putting comments in my code, could write a freaking novel.

Maybe I'll buy some stuff at Amazon.

Working from home today and tomorrow. Not only is there a chance that I might go to CES in Vegas this year, but I got a late Christmas present of a possible opportunity at work that would be awesome if I managed to land it.

All in all, not a bad way to end the year. :)

254 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:35:55am

re: #252 Lidane

And of otherwise good land which could be used for something else.

Like wind farms.

255 dragonath  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:42:33am

Golf would be so much cooler if everybody had to play in a peat bog or something.

256 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:42:36am

re: #254 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Like wind farms.

Here in Chicagoland it would mostly be either subdivisions or forest preserves if some golf courses closed. May of the Golf courses are along the Chicago or Des Plaines rivers and could not be used for a wind farm due to the threat to migratory birds.

257 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:46:46am

re: #251 A Mom Anon

Target shooting? That video didn't show anyone aiming at anything at all specific that I could see. Unless there's another way of doing the bump fire technique, I'm not sure how firing from belt loop height is going to hit any kind of target. Enlighten me if I'm just being goofy.

"Target" in this usage is large mob of Urban Yootes zombies.

258 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:48:10am

re: #164 Usually refered to as anyways

B b b but what would we do with all the little boxes we put people in?

Don't you care about the box makers?

And the Cats, Please remember the Feline Overlords!

259 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:49:08am
260 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:49:32am

re: #171 Killgore Trout

Most people adopt those terms to avoid critical thought. People on their own as individuals are much more interesting and nuanced but issues are complicated. Most of us have only a very basic understanding of economics or science. Social issues and demographics trends are complicated and solutions are often unpleasant realities. People adopt political labels to avoid thinking or learning, The labels come with a whole host of prepackaged solutions already made for us. Individuality is not required and is generally frowned upon.

I'm so tired of labels I could scream. As soon as someone (usually a Fox News Drone) says the word "liberal", my mind shuts down and I realize I am not having a conversation with a thinking person.

261 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:50:31am

re: #251 A Mom Anon

Target shooting? That video didn't show anyone aiming at anything at all specific that I could see. Unless there's another way of doing the bump fire technique, I'm not sure how firing from belt loop height is going to hit any kind of target. Enlighten me if I'm just being goofy.

I was going to add "fun shooting" to the post but was afraid of the reaction. That sort of shoot involves shooting breakable targets set out on a range, up to and including old cars.

And you can 'bump-fire' from the shoulder as well. That would provide better control, but it still would not be all that useful. Full auto fire from an AR-15 is overrated, and is mostly used for close-quarters room clearing and anti-ambush 'mad minute' protective fire.

262 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:51:33am

re: #178 freetoken

The term I use most of the time, in describing much of the GOP and the Tea Partying crowd is "reactionary right".

The term "reactionary" itself can be ambiguous out of context. We all "react" to the stimuli in our environment - all living things do.

However, in the context of politics, especially in a nation with political parties, campaigns, elections, and entrenched institutions, "reactionary right" I use to describe the essential views of those who are rejecting recent changes in their society, which they see as an affront to them, and as a group devise goals to return to an earlier era.

"Revanchist" is accurate too, but it implies "taking back", which indeed holds true of much of the Tea Partying crowd.

The policy centers of the GOP are strongly tilted towards idolizing previous eras, of returning somehow to an older order of things.

While the Democratic party is pretty much controlled by entropy, it does have pocket of thinkers who are more actively engaged in finding ideas for our own times and for the near and far futures that are not just business as usual. But, as the link I posted earlier about new San Diego mayor Bob Filner illuminated, there is plenty of blame to go around, for our national political ineptness.

I still think, Whacko™ is the best "catch-all" term. Although now, I'll have to distinguish between the mentally disturbed and the just plain Whacko™.

263 dragonath  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:52:15am

Since golf was brought up, here's the latest from the One True Scotsman:

That's right, the GOP is a rogue state with a WMD.

264 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:56:15am

Ah well, I"m caught-up in the thread and I have to go.

Have a great day all!

265 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:59:47am

In Philly, a shooting every seven hours. 1,243 shooting victims. 327 killed. Per capita, its homicide rate is 21 per 100k. Baltimore is higher at 32.6.

NYC has a rate of 4.7 per 100k.

266 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:02:04am

re: #265 lawhawk

In Philly, a shooting every seven hours. 1,243 shooting victims. 327 killed. Per capita, its homicide rate is 21 per 100k. Baltimore is higher at 32.6.

NYC has a rate of 4.7 per 100k.

NYC was running about 1300 when I lived there, though it had a much larger population. Our S. Alabama smsa has a much higher rate per capita.

267 dragonath  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:04:23am
268 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:26:37am

re: #263 dragonath

Since golf was brought up, here's the latest from the One True Scotsman:

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That's right, the GOP is a rogue state with a WMD.

The righties always have some "secret weapon" or "smoking gun" that will "destroy Obama." Same old boring bologna.

269 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:28:48am

re: #268 Gus

The righties always have some "secret weapon" or "smoking gun" that will "destroy Obama." Same old boring bologna.

Much of that was brought to 'the righties' by Trump himself--the Freepers fall for it every time.

270 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:29:53am

re: #268 Gus

The righties always have some "secret weapon" or "smoking gun" that will "destroy Obama." Same old boring bologna.

"The Whitey tape" was one of my favorites.

271 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:29:54am

re: #263 dragonath

Since golf was brought up, here's the latest from the One True Scotsman:

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That's right, the GOP is a rogue state with a WMD.

Trump will no doubt offer a $5 million check in an offer of full and complete settlement of the national debt.

272 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:31:00am

MASSIVE HEAD-DESKING FACE-PALMING DERP!

273 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:36:51am

re: #270 Ghost of Tom Joad

"The Whitey tape" was one of my favorites.

There's a tape of Obama with Whitey Bulger?

I did not know that!!
/

274 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:41:23am

WTF!!

Oh, he's counting everyone with government JOBS (like, soldiers, sailors, marines, police, firefighters, etc.) as "takers"

What a freaking DUMBASS.

275 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:45:55am

re: #274 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

WTF!!

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Oh, he's counting everyone with government JOBS (like, soldiers, sailors, marines, police, firefighters, etc.) as "takers"

What a freaking DUMBASS.

If I made my living selling Pie in the Sky, I'd be very shy about lists of "Makers and Takers".

276 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:47:52am

re: #274 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Everyone is a government dependent when you look at it through the funhouse mirror prism of the loony bin. You rely on government to maintain law and order (cops and firefighters, rescue personnel)? You're dependent.

Education? Dependent upon teachers.

Disabled or retired after spending entire life working? Dependent.

Need to ride roads, bridges, or (especially mass transit)? Dependent.

He's just going further - and his followers are lapping it up ignoring the consequences of that line of thought.

277 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:48:13am

re: #275 Decatur Deb

If I made my living selling Pie in the Sky, I'd be very shy about lists of "Makers and Takers".

Bryan no doubt thinks of himself as a "maker" because of the massive amounts of bullshit that he produces, but not of the kind that could be used to fertilize crops.

278 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:48:22am

re: #275 Decatur Deb

If I made my living selling Pie in the Sky, I'd be very shy about lists of "Makers and Takers".

God was the maker, Fischer is just one of the trillions of takers who have lived here. If people only prayed more, the "Great Job Creator in the Sky" would let more of his holy wealth trickle down unto us undeserving plebes.

279 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:51:39am

re: #274 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

WTF!!

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Oh, he's counting everyone with government JOBS (like, soldiers, sailors, marines, police, firefighters, etc.) as "takers"

What a freaking DUMBASS.

We're going to need a separate upding button for "Stupid Bryan Fischer tweets."

280 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:54:03am

re: #279 BongCrodny

We're going to need a separate upding button for "Stupid Bryan Fischer tweets."

Perhaps a mood button?

How does this comment make you feel?
[ ] Happy
[ ] Sad
[ ] Nauseous

281 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:54:33am

re: #279 BongCrodny

We're going to need a separate upding button for "Stupid Bryan Fischer tweets."

His font should have its own shade of Wingnut Purple.

(A Moonbat Blue would also be nice, if not often used.)

282 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:58:03am

re: #280 Gus

Perhaps a mood button?

How does this comment make you feel?
[ ] Happy
[ ] Sad
[ ] Nauseous

A Meat Loaf song comes to mind here. :-)

283 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:58:07am

re: #281 Decatur Deb

His font should have its own shade of Wingnut Purple.

(A Moonbat Blue would also be nice, if not often used.)

We can also use a Batshit Crazy Red. //

284 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 7:59:35am

re: #281 Decatur Deb

His font should have its own shade of Wingnut Purple.

(A Moonbat Blue would also be nice, if not often used.)

It would have to be something migraine-inducing, like flashing lime green.

285 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:00:09am

re: #283 Gus

Complete with Drudge sirens.

/go all in, I say

286 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:00:21am

re: #281 Decatur Deb

His font should have its own shade of Wingnut Purple.

(A Moonbat Blue would also be nice, if not often used.)

"Moonbat Blue" actually sounds pretty cool.

Maybe something like sky blue, with unicorns.

287 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:06:35am

re: #286 BongCrodny

"Moonbat Blue" actually sounds pretty cool.

Maybe something like sky blue, with unicorns.

Moonbat font should be sparkly and twee, since most of them live in a fantasy world.

Batshit Crazy font should be red and ALL CAPS.

288 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:09:37am

re: #287 Lidane

Moonbat font should be sparkly and twee, since most of them live in a fantasy world.

Batshit Crazy font should be red and ALL CAPS.

BOLD!

289 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:11:59am

re: #288 Gus

Also, we need a version of Wingdings for the Luap Nor/Alex Jones loons. You know, since they're all about symbolism and meaning.

///

290 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:13:48am

re: #289 Lidane

Also, we need a version of Wingdings for the Luap Nor/Alex Jones loons. You know, since they're all about symbolism and meaning.

///

PSYOPS!

291 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:15:41am

re: #287 Lidane

Moonbat font should be sparkly and twee, since most of them live in a fantasy world.

Batshit Crazy font should be red and ALL CAPS.

BLOOD RED, with THREE EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!

292 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:15:43am

re: #289 Lidane

Also, we need a version of Wingdings for the Luap Nor/Alex Jones loons. You know, since they're all about symbolism and meaning.

///

Randian text should be something Art Deco, with a space between each letter for i n d i v i d u a l i s m.

293 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:16:30am
294 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:18:39am

re: #292 Decatur Deb

Randian text should be something Art Deco, with a space between each letter, f o r i n d i v i d u a l i s m.

h i l l b i l l y + r a n d i a n + g a l t™

295 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:19:11am

Getting a good workout from my exercise equipment, moving it back into the spare bedroom now that the visitors have gone.

296 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:20:29am
297 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:22:13am

re: #295 Decatur Deb

Getting a good workout from my exercise equipment clothes hanger, moving it back into the spare bedroom now that the visitors have gone.

ftfy

298 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:22:37am

Uh oh.

Here come the hillbilly Persians. :O

299 Slap  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:24:53am

re: #286 BongCrodny

"Moonbat Blue" actually sounds pretty cool.

Maybe something like sky blue, with unicorns.

Nah, call Dianne Warren and get the song to Melissa Manchester, stat!

300 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:26:36am

re: #293 Lidane

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For example, Boehner's getting ready to let the country go over the fiscal cliff just to assure he'll keep his job after Jan 3rd.

301 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:26:46am

re: #296 Gus

The military would rather fight middle east savages than the domestic enemies running/ruining our country. I am very afraid for my children.

That makes two of us.

302 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:28:17am

re: #275 Decatur Deb

If I made my living selling Pie in the Sky, I'd be very shy about lists of "Makers and Takers".

Needs moar updings.

303 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:28:56am

re: #299 Slap

Nah, call Dianne Warren and get the song to Melissa Manchester, stat!

Ha! I was actually thinking of that song when I first saw "Moonbat Blue."

304 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:32:34am

re: #301 BongCrodny

That makes two of us.

Here's the full quote:

“we probably need a coup before 2016.”

Today sounds about right. Actually, it should have been January 2009.
It seems no one has the stones for it anymore and would rather watch football or text on their IPhone. The rest of the world laughs at us. We are so pathetic and weak. The military would rather fight middle east savages than the domestic enemies running/ruining our country. I am very afraid for my children.

305 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:32:46am

Laser-like focus on jobs and the economy:

306 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:34:17am

They made that bed. Sleep in it.

307 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:35:55am

re: #305 Lidane

Laser-like focus on jobs and the economy:

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GOP wants to DO NOTHING so that the Bush tax cuts expire FOR EVERYONE and then they can say HA HA OBAMA RAISED UR TAXES! while they figure out how to get those tax cuts back for the 1% but not for anyone else.

308 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:36:16am

re: #304 Gus

Here's the full quote:

Just wait until a Predator drone takes out a crazy militia compound with a hellfire.

309 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:36:35am

re: #305 Lidane

Laser-like focus on jobs and the economy:

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And predictably, the excuse-making by the GOP is already starting, with the leading excuse being "Obama's demands killed negotiations!"

310 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:37:02am

re: #305 Lidane

Laser-like focus on jobs and the economy:

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Obama has returned from vacation while Boehner is still on vacation.

311 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:39:22am

re: #309 Targetpractice

And predictably, the excuse-making by the GOP is already starting, with the leading excuse being "Obama's demands killed negotiations!"

The GOP couldn't even agree on their own bill. Weak sauce.

312 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:40:19am
313 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:41:47am

re: #312 Lidane

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I'm looking at another S&P downgrade.

315 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:45:23am

re: #311 Gus

The GOP couldn't even agree on their own bill. Weak sauce.

They have an excuse for that one too: "We passed bills earlier this year, the Senate should pass them to avoid the cliff!" The bills in question are one to extend the Bush Tax Cuts for another year and another to replace the defense sequester with more cuts to programs for the poor.

316 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:47:02am

re: #310 Gus

Obama has returned from vacation while Boehner is still on vacation.

I've been trying to find the confirmation, but it appears Boehner plays a lot more golf than Obama.

317 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:52:46am

That sound you hear is more wingnut head explosions:

318 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 8:59:34am

re: #316 Kronocide

I've been trying to find the confirmation, but it appears Boehner plays a lot more golf than Obama.

Deconstructing the 5 most ridiculous myths about Barack Obama

1. Obama has played more golf than any president in history

This isn't even close to being true. Now, there's no question that he plays on a regular basis: 104 rounds from January 2009 through Aug. 4 of this year, the last time he played, according to Mark Knoller, the longtime White House correspondent for CBS Radio. That puts him about in the middle when compared with other duffers-in-chief. It's less than Bill Clinton, and a lot less than Dwight Eisenhower, who played more than 800 rounds over eight years — four times as often as Obama plays.

And why is it an outrage if the president, who heads one of three branches of government, golfs 104 times in three-and-a-half-years, but the head of another branch of government, the Speaker of the House, plays four times as much? You heard correctly: John Boehner once told Golf Digest that he plays upwards of 100 rounds a year. Seems like a double standard, no?

319 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:01:56am

re: #318 Gus

Deconstructing the 5 most ridiculous myths about Barack Obama

Golf sucks, I don't understand the appeal that it has. It does seem to be a game for control freaks, like THIS F&%KING LITTLE BALL JUST SITS THERE AND I BEAT IT WITH A CLUB UNTIL IT GOES WHERE I WANT IT TO!1!

320 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:02:46am

Good Morning all.

Here's an interesting opinion piece on the Gun Culture in America. I find it a good analysis but the reality is that there's no way his proposals would ever happen.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

321 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:02:56am
322 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:03:45am

re: #319 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Golf sucks, I don't understand the appeal that it has. It does seem to be a game for control freaks, like THIS F&%KING LITTLE BALL JUST SITS THERE AND I BEAT IT WITH A CLUB UNTIL IT GOES WHERE I WANT IT TO!1!

Golf is a lot like soccer in slow motion. :D

323 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:04:05am

Golf that is.

324 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:04:59am

re: #321 Lidane

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OK what's the ringtone?

325 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:06:07am

re: #322 Gus

Golf is a lot like soccer in slow motion. :D

Hockey is like team golf on ice and it's FUN TO WATCH! Especially the beating with clubs.

326 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:06:36am

re: #320 William Barnett-Lewis

Good Morning all.

Here's an interesting opinion piece on the Gun Culture in America. I find it a good analysis but the reality is that there's no way his proposals would ever happen.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Heh. The first (negative) comment is from '11bravo'.

327 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:06:40am

re: #319 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Golf sucks, I don't understand the appeal that it has. It does seem to be a game for control freaks, like THIS F&%KING LITTLE BALL JUST SITS THERE AND I BEAT IT WITH A CLUB UNTIL IT GOES WHERE I WANT IT TO!1!

All you need to know about Golf from Williams and Carlin.

328 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:07:22am

re: #325 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Hockey is like team golf on ice and it's FUN TO WATCH! Especially the beating with clubs.

Just before while having a cigarette out front I was thinking that combat golf might be more interesting.

329 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:07:58am
330 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:11:46am

re: #328 Gus

Just before while having a cigarette out front I was thinking that combat golf might be more interesting.

How about a game of Beat the Cigarette out of the Smoker's Hand With a Golf Club?

331 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:11:52am
332 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:12:03am

re: #330 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

How about a game of Beat the Cigarette out of the Smoker's Hand With a Golf Club?

:P

333 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:12:21am

re: #324 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

OK what's the ringtone?

"Dancing Queen" by ABBA, apparently.

334 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:13:16am

re: #333 Lidane

"Dancing Queen" by ABBA, apparently.

I totally would not have recognized that if I heard it. I thought it would be something lame like "Call Me Maybe"

335 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:14:26am

re: #268 Gus

The righties always have some "secret weapon" or "smoking gun" that will "destroy Obama." Same old boring bologna.

Trump doesn't get it: John Boehner isn't going to use a "nuclear weapon" because he knows how bad the fallout would be.

/The joining of two metaphors is a beautiful thing.

336 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:14:46am
337 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:15:38am

re: #318 Gus

The vacation myth is just that. A myth.

Presidents don't get vacations. They get a change of scenery as Nancy Reagan observed.

Many presidents, including GW Bush, didn't care for DC, so they spent as much time away from DC as possible. For some, that meant going to Camp David. For others, it was going to their own homes/ranches.

But they worked at those locations and made the tough decisions throughout.

For instance, there's a reason that the Camp David Accord is called the Camp David Accords and not the White House accords. It was negotiated and signed by the parties at Camp David, not the White House despite the President's presence. Being at the WH creates a fishbowl atmosphere and more media scrutiny than at the alternative locations.

Focus on location ignores that the President is on call and on the job 24/7/365.

338 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:15:46am
339 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:16:44am

re: #331 Lidane

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Next up: Michael Bloomberg pushes plan to outlaw lighter fluid.

/Kidding. I hope the asshole who did that is hunted down like a dog then caged like one for the rest of his miserable life.

340 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:17:06am

Apple Paid CEO Tim Cook 'Just' $4.17 Million in 2012

Tim Cook may run the most valuable company in the world, but you wouldn't know it from his pay this year.

The Apple CEO made just $4.17 million in 2012, according to a new SEC filing from Apple. That is certainly a salary many workers would be happy to have, but it represents a 99% decline from the $376 million Cook was paid last year.

That may come as a surprise at first considering that Apple's market cap has grown to more than $480 billion this year under Cook's leadership, but the decline in his pay is due to a technicality rather than anything to do with his performance.

Cook was granted a massive amount of stock options totaling more than $376 million when he was promoted to CEO in 2011, much of which will vest in the coming years. Given that, Apple's Compensation Committee decided not to grant Cook any additional stock options this year, which is why his pay out appears so much lower.

Still, it's a striking drop in pay, especially when you consider that several other top Apple executives who work under Cook made more than 10x as much as him this year thanks to the stock options they were awarded.

341 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:17:07am

re: #324 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

OK what's the ringtone?

Dancing Queen for regular calls. Super Trooper for his Wife.

342 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:17:22am

re: #338 Gus

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People who talk about sex all the time never get any.

343 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:18:41am

GAH!

344 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:18:41am

re: #334 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I totally would not have recognized that if I heard it. I thought it would be something lame like "Call Me Maybe"

345 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:20:02am

re: #340 Lidane

Apple Paid CEO Tim Cook 'Just' $4.17 Million in 2012

Saw that. I see that as a PR stunt.

346 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:20:12am

re: #343 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I'm still trying to figure out what part of Obama's personality and/or politics would put him anywhere on the same spectrum as Mao, Hitler, or Stalin.

The only people who are depraved are the ones who believe that kind of bullshit. WTF.

347 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:20:45am

re: #343 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

GAH!

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More projection than IMAX.

348 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:21:00am

re: #340 Lidane

Apple Paid CEO Tim Cook 'Just' $4.17 Million in 2012

Averaged out over both years, though, it comes to $190 million per year. That seems more than fair to me.

349 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:22:22am

re: #346 Lidane

I'm still trying to figure out what part of Obama's personality and/or politics would put him anywhere on the same spectrum as Mao, Hitler, or Stalin.

The only people who are depraved are the ones who believe that kind of bullshit. WTF.

There was this person on Twitter who kept Tweeting that

Obama is just like Hitler!1!ty

so I asked if that is really true, why are you Tweeting up a storm and not in a death camp?

Crazed wingnut screeched @viciousbabushka thinks I should be in a Death Camp! and then blocked my Twitter feed.

350 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:22:28am

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

Averaged out over both years, though, it comes to $190 million per year. That seems more than fair to me.

More than fair? That's more money than 99% of people will see in a lifetime.

That's not just more than fair. It's generous as all hell.

351 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:22:30am

re: #343 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

GAH!

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Full quote:

Let that evil bastard zero blame Boner. The GOP can throw Boner under the bus and maybe we can have someone to stand up to this God damn Devil. In WW2, Neville Chamberlin gave up his post to Churchill in order to face the enemy. Time for Boner to give up, but where is our Churchill?
Obama holds the world record for debt, what’s to stop this despotic and diabolical man from exerting his real desire? If unchecked, I have no doubt that Obama would happily exterminate more people than Mao, Stalin and Hitler combined; he is that depraved, IMO.
I pray every day that we are spared from this bastard.

352 TedStriker  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:23:47am

re: #298 Gus

Uh oh.

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Here come the hillbilly Persians. :O

Who's gonna be their Walter White?

353 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:24:17am

re: #343 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

GAH!

354 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:25:19am

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

Averaged out over both years, though, it comes to $190 million per year. That seems more than fair to me.

More than fair considering the Chinese workers that make their products probably see on average 190 Cents per year.

355 erik_t  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:25:33am

re: #346 Lidane

I'm still trying to figure out what part of Obama's personality and/or politics would put him anywhere on the same spectrum as Mao, Hitler, or Stalin.

The only people who are depraved are the ones who believe that kind of bullshit. WTF.

On average, Maohitlerstalin is 2/3 white. Obama is only 1/2 white.

Math'd!

356 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:26:29am

re: #341 Bubblehead II

Dancing Queen for regular calls. Super Trooper for his Wife.

357 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:28:13am

re: #354 Ghost of Tom Joad

More than fair considering the Chinese workers that make their products probably see on average 190 Cents per year.

That's an underestimate. They couldn't live on that, and the skilled labor required to fabricate iPhone components commands a higher price than that, even in China.

358 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:28:26am

Somewhere out there, the RWNJ's are twitching:

NRA President Defends David Gregory, Knocks DC Law

National Rifle Association President David Keene said Thursday that NBC host David Gregory shouldn't be prosecuted for displaying an empty high capacity magazine on "Meet the Press," even though it may have violated Washington, D.C. law. Gregory held up the magazine Sunday during an interview that was taped in Washington with NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre. A city police spokesperson said earlier this week the agency was investigating the matter.

"No, I don't think so," Keene said in the interview Thursday on CNN when asked whether Gregory should be prosecuted. "There are two lessons for him there. One, don't ask the government what's legal and what isn't legal because half the people you ask don't know. And secondly, that's a silly felony. It's a felony in Washington, D.C., to own that magazine or to be caught with a cartridge. So I really think what David Gregory did, while he was inadvertently flouting the law, was illustrated in a very graphic way, perhaps not intentionally, but in a graphic way just how silly some of these laws are."

"I'm not a vindictive guy that wants to go after David Gregory," Keene added. "I think it illustrates the craziness of some of the laws."

359 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:28:29am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

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Psst. That Twitter account just posts Freeper quotes.

360 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:29:33am

re: #359 Gus

Psst. That Twitter account just posts Freeper quotes.

Oops. I didn't know that.

361 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:30:01am

re: #360 Dark_Falcon

Oops. I didn't know that.

Just say you're sorry. :D

362 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:30:51am
363 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:31:10am

re: #359 Gus

Psst. That Twitter account just posts Freeper quotes.

Is that an automatic account that posts random Freeper quotes or someone actually picks out the "special" ones?

364 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:32:03am

re: #363 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Is that an automatic account that posts random Freeper quotes or someone actually picks out the "special" ones?

Someone that picks out the special quotes. I asked last week.

365 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:32:12am

re: #360 Dark_Falcon

Oops. I didn't know that.

But a glace at its page on Twitter shows it to be pro Freep. Complete with this little image:

[Link: pbs.twimg.com...]

366 Mattand  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:33:21am

re: #340 Lidane

Apple Paid CEO Tim Cook 'Just' $4.17 Million in 2012

I want some of that as pain and suffering for trying to get my calendars synced to iCloud. Finally did it; all it took was constantly reloading and deleting multiple entries over the course of several months.

367 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:33:50am

re: #364 Gus

Someone that picks out the special quotes. I asked last week.

I used to be a Freeper back in the day. I stopped going there after the rage meltdown when Obama won in '08.

368 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:36:30am

How many people has God killed so far?
Estimates based on Biblical references: ca. 25 million

369 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:39:08am

re: #340 Lidane

That's quite the haul and the company's product line and profits may justify it (and when combined with his stock option vestments, he's going to do quite well over the rest of his time with the company).

It's nice work if you can get it.

Most people never attain those kinds of jobs or job opportunities. Instead, most are working to see a fraction of that annual salary over their entire lifetime. And for most, that's enough. Others strive for greater and fall short. The problems begin where compensation and performance diverge such as when a company is failing but the chairman gets a bonus all while firing those around him.

370 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:39:23am

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

But a glace at its page on Twitter shows it to be pro Freep. Complete with this little image:

[Link: pbs.twimg.com...]

It's like "shit wingnuts say."

371 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:41:24am

Like this one for the Reddit weirdos: [Link: twitter.com...]

372 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:41:45am

re: #371 Gus

Like this one for the Reddit weirdos: [Link: twitter.com...]

373 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:44:26am

re: #372 Gus

To 'em it's all Candie land.

374 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:46:04am

re: #373 lawhawk

To 'em it's all Candie land.

Did you mean 'Candide land'? Though they're far too hateful to be compared to Voltaire's never-malicious naive.

375 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:46:58am

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

Nope. Candie Land - the fictional locale of the final act in Django Unchained.

376 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:55:10am

Speaking of crazy. Check out this weirdo's response to an innocent Tweet from State:

He/she already trolled them twice.

BENGHAZI OOGA BOOGA!

377 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:56:43am

re: #376 Gus

Speaking of crazy. Check out this weirdo's response to an innocent Tweet from State:

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He/she already trolled them twice.

BENGHAZI OOGA BOOGA!

Good catch. Added to the DERP list.

378 erik_t  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:57:06am

re: #376 Gus

So much crazypants they couldn't even fit in spaces. Impressive.

379 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:57:49am

re: #377 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Good catch. Added to the DERP list.

Ha! Was thinking about making that suggestion.

380 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:59:43am

Look at this fuckball's Tweets:




381 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:01:00am

re: #380 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Look at this fuckball's Tweets:

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Almost 28,000 followers. The man's a genius! //

382 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:04:20am

re: #381 Gus

Almost 28,000 followers. The man's a genius! //

Is he somebody special or something? Past few weeks people have been quoting his tweets here. Am I missing something? From his picture I'm not sure he even shaves yet.

383 Lidane  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:04:58am

re: #381 Gus

Almost 28,000 followers. The man's a genius! //

Here's a law that would relate directly to Newtown -- prosecute gun owners for murder when their children/relatives take their arsenal and go shoot up a school. You know, assuming that gun owner isn't killed first.

And before I get flamed for that, no I'm not serious. I'm only offering a law directly related to the shooting, since that seems to be his thing.

384 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:07:10am

re: #382 Ghost of Tom Joad

Is he somebody special or something? Past few weeks people have been quoting his tweets here. Am I missing something? From his picture I'm not sure he even shaves yet.

He's been around for a while. Never understood the appeal he has with wingnuts but that's the general rule. You can be a complete blithering idiot in wingnut world and still get a large following.

385 erik_t  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:07:52am

re: #380 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Look at this fuckball's Tweets:

Ban all suggestions, because we really care about the Constitution.

Smrt.

386 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:08:52am
387 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:10:00am

re: #383 Lidane

You should be serious. If a gun you legally possess is used for a crime by someone else, you, as the owner, should be legally culpable for said crime.

Of course, it would require guns to be permanently stamped in a way that can't be altered (like filing off a serial number) and having a firearms registry (at least for assault weapons, including handguns). If I need insurance/license etc. to own a damn car, no reason not to have one for a deadly weapon.

Make people secure their weapons properly, and by tracking sales to owners and making them culpable, you immediately take a big chunk out of straw-man purchases.

388 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:10:54am

re: #384 Gus

He's been around for a while. Never understood the appeal he has with wingnuts but that's the general rule. You can be a complete blithering idiot in wingnut world and still get a large following.

I thought you had to be a blithering tool to get a large wingnut following. Just wasn't sure if he worked for one of the wingnut-welfare operations or something.

389 dragonath  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:10:59am

Well, I just satisfied my ancestral primeval urge by eating tons of potato pancakes.

Polish and Irish. This is my gift, my curse.

390 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:13:23am
391 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:14:02am

re: #368 Sol Berdinowitz

How many people has God killed so far?
Estimates based on Biblical references: ca. 25 million

According to the Bible, some of those Old Testament dudes lived to be 700, 800, 900 years old.

So since we only get 70 or 80 years, couldn't it be argued that God has pretty much killed *everybody*?

392 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:14:14am

re: #389 dragonath

Well, I just satisfied my ancestral primeval urge by eating tons of potato pancakes.

Polish and Irish. This is my gift, my curse.

I'm Polish, Irish, German, and Slovenian. I think I'm made out of potatoes.

393 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:14:37am

re: #392 wrenchwench

I'm Polish, Irish, German, and Slovenian. I think I'm made out of potatoes.

And Jews are what, chopped liver?

394 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:15:17am

re: #393 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

And Jews are what, chopped liver?

Pizza.

395 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:15:44am

re: #387 Ghost of Tom Joad

You should be serious. If a gun you legally possess is used for a crime by someone else, you, as the owner, should be legally culpable for said crime.

Of course, it would require guns to be permanently stamped in a way that can't be altered (like filing off a serial number) and having a firearms registry (at least for assault weapons, including handguns). If I need insurance/license etc. to own a damn car, no reason not to have one for a deadly weapon.

Make people secure their weapons properly, and by tracking sales to owners and making them culpable, you immediately take a big chunk out of straw-man purchases.

With an exception if the weapon was safely stored or carried. If you are legally carrying concealed, but get clunked upside the head by surprise and your gun gets stolen, you shouldn't be held criminally liable if you properly filed a police report.

396 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:15:50am

re: #387 Ghost of Tom Joad

Hmmmm - going into the hypothetical:

Require insurance for firearms ownership. Proof of insurance is needed to register and maintain ownership. Conditioned upon proper storage/handling of firearms and ammo.

Or, firearms equivalent to dram shop liability. Owners/sellers of firearms are potentially liable when firearms used in commission of crime.

397 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:16:39am

re: #390 wrenchwench

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The Army made a violent video game too. I don't see Wayne throwing them under the bus.

398 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:17:00am

re: #381 Gus

The more extreme you are, the easier it is to grab attention...

399 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:17:26am

Chinese food has no potatoes, no dairy either.

400 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:17:50am

re: #388 Ghost of Tom Joad

I thought you had to be a blithering tool to get a large wingnut following. Just wasn't sure if he worked for one of the wingnut-welfare operations or something.

"Marketing Coordinator at Media Research Center, Kevin Eder manages the social networking operations of MRC, Newsbusters, and CNS ..."

401 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:19:14am

Dear gun nuts,
Stop scapegoating everything that isn't a gun for gun violence.
Idiots.

402 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:19:18am

re: #397 Ghost of Tom Joad

The Army made a violent video game too. I don't see Wayne throwing them under the bus.

BBL

403 The Mountain That Blogs  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:20:02am

re: #372 Gus

Big fan of @TumblrTXT as well

404 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:21:05am

re: #403 The Mountain That Blogs

Big fan of @TumblrTXT as well

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POOPYHEAD!

405 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:21:27am

re: #395 Dark_Falcon

With an exception if the weapon was safely stored or carried. If you are legally carrying concealed, but get clunked upside the head by surprise and your gun gets stolen, you shouldn't be held criminally liable if you properly filed a police report.

Yes, obvious caveat, I didn't want to write a whole diatribe on it. But I think people should be forced to make sure they are properly securing their weapons. If something is stolen out of a safe or something, well, it'll happen. But think of how many accidental deaths there are, not to mention crimes committed with weapons that were bought by either straw-purchasers or second-hand, and I think it's a viable way to help decrease gun-violence while technically not stepping on the 2nd-amendment rail of politics.

406 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:21:58am

re: #403 The Mountain That Blogs

Big fan of @TumblrTXT as well

[Embedded content]

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

407 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:25:00am

re: #406 Gus

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

That's it!
I'm going to turn you into a Newt or a Gingrich.

408 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:25:08am

re: #391 BongCrodny

According to the Bible, some of those Old Testament dudes lived to be 700, 800, 900 years old.

So since we only get 70 or 80 years, couldn't it be argued that God has pretty much killed *everybody*?

AFAIK, this is just references to those whom God smote directly.

A smitten list, so to speak.

409 dragonath  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:26:39am

re: #336 Gus

[Embedded Ugly Watermelon Statue]

The Most Amazing Equestrian Statue Ever

It's in Tennessee.

410 The Mountain That Blogs  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:29:43am

re: #409 dragonath

Is that Nathan Bedford Forrest?

411 dragonath  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:31:36am

re: #410 The Mountain That Blogs

Yup. Founder of the KKK!

Ride on, you Crazy Racist

412 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:34:20am

re: #411 dragonath

Yup. Founder of the KKK!

Ride on, you Crazy Racist

Very kitschy.

413 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:34:50am

re: #409 dragonath

The Most Amazing Equestrian Statue Ever

It's in Tennessee.

O o

/¯____________________________ ______________

| BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAARGH!!!

_¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

414 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 10:36:01am

re: #409 dragonath

The Most Amazing Equestrian Statue Ever

It's in Tennessee.

They had meth labs during the Civil War?


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