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1 freetoken  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:02:48pm

Speaking of bad reading, I hatez it when Chrome crashes hard and messes up the fonts capability. I have to restart the whole Mac just to fix it.

"aw, snap"...

3 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:19:16pm
4 TedStriker  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:22:52pm

re: #3 Gus

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Holy shit...I didn't hear that he was sick or anything, but he was 78 (damn, time flies).

Godspeed, Stormin' Norman.

5 RadicalModerate  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:25:56pm

re: #3 Gus

Confirmed via ABC News:

[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

6 TedStriker  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:37:05pm

re: #4 TedStriker

Desert Shield/Storm was 22 years ago...when I was a sophomore in high school.

I'm officially depressed.

7 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:38:12pm

And GHW Bush was in ICU last I heard.

8 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:39:17pm

re: #3 Gus

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Ahhh. Damn.

9 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:39:45pm

re: #2 freetoken

Why wait for legislation? Thousands of felony warrants await being served. Get after the worst first. Guns in felons possession. The way I look at that is you have a 2x benefit. It's the criminal threat that justifies gun possession for millions of people.

10 TedStriker  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:43:41pm

re: #7 William Barnett-Lewis

And GHW Bush was in ICU last I heard.

Say what you will about the Bush family, but give them this: they're apparently tough, long-lived bastards.

I never thought that GHWB would outlive Schwarzkopf, even though GHWB is only 10 years older.

11 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:49:37pm

"Talk to me General Schwarzkopf, tell me all about it!"
-- Madonna

Madonna - Sooner or Later (Live - Oscar 1991)

12 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:50:23pm

re: #9 Political Atheist

Why wait for legislation? Thousands of felony warrants await being served. Get after the worst first. Guns in felons possession. The way I look at that is you have a 2x benefit. It's the criminal threat that justifies gun possession for millions of people.

Question: How is the "felon" classification in regards to gun ownership defined?

Pot bust? DUI? Prison term for stealing a ATM machine from a K-Mart (really in our news today, and there's still K-Marts?)

Don't see any feasibility of this - serve every single felon on the books and search his/her house for guns?

13 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:51:39pm

re: #2 freetoken

I just found out there were two shootings in my town this week. (The news is a little slow to get around here.) Nobody died.

14 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:57:36pm

re: #12 Stanghazi

Question: How is the "felon" classification in regards to gun ownership defined?

Pot bust? DUI? Prison term for stealing a ATM machine from a K-Mart (really in our news today, and there's still K-Marts?)

Don't see any feasibility of this - serve every single felon on the books and search his/her house for guns?

It's for any felony conviction. Do time for anything that costs you even a year and a day in jail and you're a felon according to WI law. All misdemeanor offenses have maximum sentences of a year or less.

So yeah, pot head, meth dealer, rapist, murder, it's all the same to the law on that topic. Black powder & pre-1898 made firearms are very popular in some circles as a result of this.

15 Jimmah  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:58:04pm

[Link: www.dhgate.com...]

Knopp tube amp sound very human in the design of the adoption of barrier-type protection tube. And to prevent hand burns. At work. Issued by the tube temperature is very high. But some friends and tube is not very understanding. That severe fever is not normal. In fact, this point can be hundred percent satisfied with that. All this is normal (just like a light bulb about the actual bile duct effects of heat

'Chi-fi' amplifier descriptions: where it's normal to you find yourself reading about the bile duct effects of heat on your abnormal severe fever.

16 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:00:14pm

re: #12 Stanghazi

Felony warrant raids and programs have been very successful in taking felons back to jail. I would say a top down violent conviction approach. Gang oriented actions have been successful at getting assault weapons and other guns out of criminal hands and to the smelter. If reducing the sheer number of guns matters, and I agree it does-Don't wait for legislation that can't touch guns already out there. L.E. can be funded to serve more felony warrants. No new laws, no waiting required.

17 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:01:19pm

re: #14 William Barnett-Lewis

Well. That's not good. I believe in rehabilitation.

18 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:02:08pm

re: #12 Stanghazi

Felony convictions are generally defined in all states as any crime punishable by at least a year in prison. Misdemeanors are offenses punishable for less than 1 year in prison.

19 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:02:27pm

re: #16 Political Atheist

Felony warrant raids and programs have been very successful in taking felons back to jail. I would say a top down violent conviction approach. Gang orinted actions have been successful at getting assault weapons and other guns out of criminal hands and to the smelter. If reducing the sheer number of guns matters, and I agree it does-Don't wait for legislation that can't touch guns already out there. L.E. can be funded to serve more felony warrants. No new laws, no waiting required.

OK, got that. I kinda hope they are already doing this though.

20 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:03:27pm

re: #17 Stanghazi

I'm not talking about felons who served the time or got parole. I mean violent felons who are wanted post conviction or for violent acts as felons.

21 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:03:32pm

We've got a tough situation on our hands America.

22 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:04:43pm

re: #14 William Barnett-Lewis

Black powder & pre-1898 made firearms are very popular in some circles as a result of this.

What's the deal with felons and conversion cylinders? They can order them over the internet and take delivery without involving an FFL. As I understand it, a modern "firearm" isn't manufactured unless the conversion cylinder is in the bp revolver. Take it out, sell the gun and cylinder in separate transactions and again, no FFL required.

So it seems like a huge gray area. As far as felons are concerned, does separate ownership of the revolver and CC constitute constructive ownership of a modern firearm?

23 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:05:02pm

re: #20 Political Atheist

I'm talking about not felons who served the time or got parole. I mean violent felons who are wanted post conviction or for violent acts as felons.

Let's go ahead and clear the prisons of non-violent drug offenders to make some room!

24 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:05:16pm

And I do want to thank all you Lizards giving me both sides. I've been reading and reflecting.

25 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:05:55pm
26 Jimmah  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:08:34pm

Debunking audiophile woo:

[Link: www.douglas-self.com...]

27 Kragar  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:13:55pm

re: #25 lawhawk

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Thats an AT-4 Antitank missile. The Yellow and Black band means its a HE round. If it was a solid yellow band, it would have been a dummy trainer model.

28 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:14:52pm

Pardon the rerun:

Image: shadow.jpg

Later, lizards.

29 Gus  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:16:07pm

"I've been on what I call my flying saucer tour which means like flying saucers. I, too, have been appearing in small southern towns in front of handfuls of hillbillies lately."
-- Bill Hicks

30 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:16:51pm

I just posted a page on General Schwarzkopf. He died today. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

31 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:17:14pm

re: #25 lawhawk

Yikes.

32 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:17:29pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

What's the deal with felons and conversion cylinders? They can order them over the internet and take delivery without involving an FFL. As I understand it, a modern "firearm" isn't manufactured unless the conversion cylinder is in the bp revolver. Take it out, sell the gun and cylinder in separate transactions and again, no FFL required.

So it seems like a huge gray area. As far as felons are concerned, does separate ownership of the revolver and CC constitute constructive ownership of a modern firearm?

IIUC, most states ban felons from owning them but they have to get caught before it's an issue because no one checks. And really it's easier for most crooks to get a modern handgun via a straw purchase than to futz with conversion cylinders. Usually that's some dude who just misses hunting because he got a pot bust 20 years ago.

33 Kragar  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:17:56pm

Hard to tell if its been fired from this angle. The AT-4 is a single shot weapon, the tube isn't designed to handle reloads. Someone might have kept the launcher as a souvenir. Normally, they have a plastic dust cover prior to being fired which are punctured by the launch of the rocket.

34 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:18:27pm

re: #27 Kragar

Yeah, I saw that. It's a single shot disposable weapon, so if it was previously fired, this particular item would no longer pose immediate danger (since the barrel serves no purpose once the warhead is fired. If it was unfired, then that's a whole different ballgame.

35 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:19:01pm

re: #27 Kragar

The army must be quite interested in that serial #

36 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:20:20pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

The LA Times story does not indicate whether this was a functional weapon or it had already been fired.

37 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:21:30pm

re: #25 lawhawk

Army training device for the AT-4 rocket. Not a real launcher but controled due to expense so some dude is going to be in a world of hurt when they track back the serial on it.

38 Kragar  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:23:03pm

re: #34 lawhawk

Yeah, I saw that. It's a single shot disposable weapon, so if it was previously fired, this particular item would no longer pose immediate danger (since the barrel serves no purpose once the warhead is fired. If it was unfired, then that's a whole different ballgame.

My recruiter back in the 90s had a previously fired tube in his office from Desert Storm. A used tube is about as dangerous as a paperweight.

If it was live though, holy shit.

39 Kragar  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:23:47pm

re: #37 William Barnett-Lewis

Army training device for the AT-4 rocket. Not a real launcher but controled due to expense so some dude is going to be in a world of hurt when they track back the serial on it.

According to the bands on the barrel, its not a training model.

40 simoom  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:25:51pm

CNN is trying to make hay out of an analogy Steny Hoyer used in a press conference answer today:

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

"It's somewhat like taking your child hostage and saying to somebody else, 'I'm going to shoot my child if you don't do what I want done.' You don't want to shoot your child. There's no Republican leader that wants to default on our debt, that I've talked to," Hoyer said at a Capitol Hill press conference.

Hoyer's comments came in response to a question about the Treasury Department's notice that the nation was approaching its debt limit. He criticized Republicans for previous resistance to raising the debt ceiling and used the gun analogy to argue that the issue should not be part of the negotiations involving the fiscal cliff.

CNN sells the story by trying to tie it to the Newtown massacre:

Less than two weeks after one of the nation's deadliest school shootings, the No.2 Democrat in the U.S. House, Steny Hoyer, compared Republican tactics for dealing with the nation's debt limit to someone threatening to shoot a child hostage.

If anything, it seems a better fit to reference it back (nearly word-for-word) to the opposition leader's own statements.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell:

“I think some of our members may have thought the default issue was a hostage you might take a chance at shooting. Most of us didn’t think that. What we did learn is this — it’s a hostage that’s worth ransoming."

41 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:26:32pm

Well look what I found... Fired at-4 for sale
[Link: www.thewarstore.org...]

What the F...?!

42 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:27:24pm

re: #3 Gus

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RIP General

43 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:27:55pm

re: #25 lawhawk

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AT4. One time use like the LAW. The launcher is designed to be disposable and once fired cannot be reloaded. Manufactured and packaged with the rocket in one piece as a single ordnance unit. Basically somebody got the LA buyback to purchase an inert tube.

44 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:28:55pm

re: #39 Kragar

According to the bands on the barrel, its not a training model.

Good point. We always made ours locally so they didn't necessarily have the same markings as the ones sent by TRADOC.

After all the ones fired in SW Asia, though, I wonder if Uncle isn't considering these just trash?

45 rwdflynavy  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:30:26pm

re: #44 William Barnett-Lewis

Good point. We always made ours locally so they didn't necessarily have the same markings as the ones sent by TRADOC.

After all the ones fired in SW Asia, though, I wonder if Uncle isn't considering these just trash?

I have a 76mm and 5inch empty shell casings, can I trade those in for a $200 grocery card?
//

46 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:32:20pm

re: #41 Political Atheist

Well look what I found... Fired at-4 for sale
[Link: www.thewarstore.org...]

What the F...?!

It's been a while but I think I've seen them (or something similar) at Army surplus stores in the past.

47 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:32:40pm

re: #41 Political Atheist

Well look what I found... Fired at-4 for sale
[Link: www.thewarstore.org...]

What the F...?!

If it's been fired it's just a metal tube now. Can't be reused.

48 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:34:39pm

re: #26 Jimmah

Debunking audiophile woo:

[Link: www.douglas-self.com...]

Reminded me of this:

Do Coat Hangers Sound As Good Monster Cables?

I’m so sorry, but I do not buy into 90% of the hype brought to us audiophiles by the commercial sector of our hobby and the home entertainment industry at large. My brother, an audio engineering whiz kid has proven to me what is real and what is not. Let me rehearse with you an example of how he does this.

We gathered up a 5 of our audio buddies. We took my “old” Martin Logan SL-3 (not a bad speaker for accurate noise making) and hooked them up with Monster 1000 speaker cables [ed. Monster Ultra Series THX 1000 Audio Interconnects] (decent cables according to the audio press). We also rigged up 14 gauge, oxygen free Belden stranded copper wire with a simple PVC jacket. Both were 2 meters long. They were connected to an ABX switch box allowing blind fold testing. Volume levels were set at 75 Db at 1000K Hz. A high quality recording of smooth, trio, easy listening jazz was played (Piano, drums, bass). None of us had heard this group or CD before, therefore eliminating biases. The music was played. Of the 5 blind folded, only 2 guessed correctly which was the monster cable. (I was not one of them). This was done 7 times in a row! Keeping us blind folded, my brother switched out the Belden wire (are you ready for this) with simple coat hanger wire! Unknown to me and our 12 audiophile buddies, prior to the ABX blind test, he took apart four coat hangers, reconnected them and twisted them into a pair of speaker cables.

49 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:37:57pm

re: #40 simoom

CNN is trying to make hay out of an analogy Steny Hoyer used in a press conference answer today:

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

CNN sells the story by trying to tie it to the Newtown massacre:

If anything, it seems a better fit to reference it back (nearly word-for-word) to the opposition leader's own statements.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell:

Perfect opening to tie some sort of gun control to the fiscal cliff.

50 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:40:20pm

We're going over the fiscal cliff, I think that's pretty obvious now. I'm actually surprised Boehner made the gesture of convening a session on Sunday. The GOP hates President Obama with a passion; they wouldn't agree to raise the debt ceiling, and they're going to do the same thing here. Take it right into the red zone. Let the economy start to tank.

We'll see what happens after that.

51 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:40:43pm

re: #32 William Barnett-Lewis

IIUC, most states ban felons from owning them but they have to get caught before it's an issue because no one checks. And really it's easier for most crooks to get a modern handgun via a straw purchase than to futz with conversion cylinders. Usually that's some dude who just misses hunting because he got a pot bust 20 years ago.

Would federal rules for 'constructive possession' apply as well?

52 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:41:10pm

Back to the ultimate omelette preparation.

53 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:42:12pm

re: #49 Stanghazi

Perfect opening to tie some sort of gun control to the fiscal cliff.

But its CNN, which doesn't cater to wingnuts in that fashion.

54 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:43:20pm

re: #52 Stanghazi

Back to the ultimate omelet preparation.

What's going to be in the omelet?

55 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:43:58pm

re: #52 Stanghazi

Grease the pan throughly and wipe out the excess. At least that is how Julia Child started.

56 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:44:19pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

We're going over the fiscal cliff, I think that's pretty obvious now. I'm actually surprised Boehner made the gesture of convening a session on Sunday. The GOP hates President Obama with a passion; they wouldn't agree to raise the debt ceiling, and they're going to do the same thing here. Take it right into the red zone. Let the economy start to tank.

We'll see what happens after that.

Possibly, it's hard to tell from the crappy dramatic press coverage. There are still plenty of opportunities to kick the can down the road or otherwise minimize the economic consequences but I'm not sure if anyone seems interested in doing it. This could be bad. Our system is broken.

57 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:46:02pm

re: #39 Kragar

According to the bands on the barrel, its not a training model.

This is the one from RWC's link - is that the yellow band for a training model?

Image: ZZ274243DA.jpg

58 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:46:52pm

Or is that yellow and black?

59 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:46:53pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

Would federal rules for 'constructive possession' apply as well?

Probably, but again the person has to be caught with the items before anything would come of it.

60 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:47:19pm

I just don't have a whole lot of hope for our economic situation.
Possible strike at docks would cripple key U.S. ports, hurt economy
Personally, I'm positioning myself for another economic downturn.

61 Kragar  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:47:32pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

This is the one from RWC's link - is that the yellow band for a training model?

Image: ZZ274243DA.jpg

Thats yellow and black.

62 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:48:33pm

Black and yellow, kill a fellow
Yellow and black...

Wait, that's not how it goes.

63 Kragar  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:49:18pm

re: #61 Kragar

Hmm, looks like it might be training.

[Link: olive-drab.com...]

"M136 AT4 launchers are marked with color-coded bands. A black with yellow band indicates an HE anti-armor round (early models had a solid black band). A gold or yellow band indicates a field handling trainer (as in the photos on this page); no band indicates an M287 9-mm tracer bullet trainer."

64 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:49:40pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

I posted this earlier, but the fiscal cliff isn't going to be the thing that hits taxpayers hardest or even first. The higher tax rates in effect next year would require higher withholding, but that could be turned around fairly quick.

First thing that will put a serious dent is the fact that Congress hasn't taken up the AMT patch. Without it, income as low as $45k for a married couple could be hit with AMT liability. Potentially affecting 30 million taxpayers. Realistically, if the patch isn't done before February 1, I'd see real problems because taxpayers generally begin filing in earnest after that date. Added costs and time for everyone involved.

Figure that the AMT patch will be included in any deal, even though it should get a permanent fix.

Then there are a few other things - dairy prices could spike because Congress has to act on that archaic leftover from the Depression years.

Unemployment benefits will expire unless extended. That could hit a few million people too.

In some ways, the AMT patch might be the thing that gets the deal done. Watch that it gets wrapped into the deal on taxes.

65 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:50:29pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I just don't have a whole lot of hope for our economic situation.
Possible strike at docks would cripple key U.S. ports, hurt economy
Personally, I'm positioning myself for another economic downturn.

You would think that Wall Street would be pressuring Republicans to make a deal. But I've been wrong about everything lately. I was so naive that I thought the NRA might back down an inch or so. What do I know?

66 Kragar  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:50:51pm

Trying to find a side by side comparison of the color bands.

67 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:52:03pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

What's going to be in the omelet?

Left over ham,harvati, swiss, pepperocini's, mushrooms.

Quite extravagant, but all left overs! I just did the chop.

68 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:52:26pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

I get that, I would think those are not supposed to be in public hands.
I suspect a live one would be bigger news.

69 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:53:00pm

re: #55 PhillyPretzel

Grease the pan throughly and wipe out the excess. At least that is how Julia Child started.

Perfect. Mine must be soft, not a chrispy thingy.

70 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:53:55pm

re: #65 Iwouldprefernotto

You would think that Wall Street would be pressuring Republicans to make a deal. But I've been wrong about everything lately. I was so naive that I thought the NRA might back down an inch or so. What do I know?

Wall street (or at least the executives in charge) makes money either way. I don't think they care. They'll all ride their firms into the ground leaving shareholders to take the damage.

71 compound_Idaho  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:55:10pm

re: #64 lawhawk

I posted this earlier, but the fiscal cliff isn't going to be the thing that hits taxpayers hardest or even first. The higher tax rates in effect next year would require higher withholding, but that could be turned around fairly quick.

First thing that will put a serious dent is the fact that Congress hasn't taken up the AMT patch. Without it, income as low as $45k for a married couple could be hit with AMT liability. Potentially affecting 30 million taxpayers. Realistically, if the patch isn't done before February 1, I'd see real problems because taxpayers generally begin filing in earnest after that date. Added costs and time for everyone involved.

Figure that the AMT patch will be included in any deal, even though it should get a permanent fix.

Then there are a few other things - dairy prices could spike because Congress has to act on that archaic leftover from the Depression years.

Unemployment benefits will expire unless extended. That could hit a few million people too.

In some ways, the AMT patch might be the thing that gets the deal done. Watch that it gets wrapped into the deal on taxes.

The entire tax code is totally f**** up. We really should start over. It should not be the case that everything we do has tax consciousnesses.

72 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:55:21pm

re: #68 Political Atheist

Just did a quick Google search and apparently AT-4 launchers are legal to sell if they're "inert," meaning they've been fired. Not sure if that applies to California, though.

73 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:56:34pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Just did a quick Google search and apparently AT-4 launchers are legal to sell if they're "inert," meaning they've been fired. Not sure if that applies to California, though.

Would you also think a live one would have been bigger news? I would hope so.

74 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:57:03pm

That 2% payroll holiday isn't good for SSI.

75 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:58:10pm

re: #62 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Black and yellow, kill a fellow
Yellow and black...

Wait, that's not how it goes.

Yellow and black, friend of Jack. Except that I don't know which Jack it refers to.

76 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:58:28pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

We're going over the fiscal cliff, I think that's pretty obvious now. I'm actually surprised Boehner made the gesture of convening a session on Sunday. The GOP hates President Obama with a passion; they wouldn't agree to raise the debt ceiling, and they're going to do the same thing here. Take it right into the red zone. Let the economy start to tank.

We'll see what happens after that.

It's an empty gesture on Boehner's part, he's not going to make any moves that might jeopardize his position until after the 3rd. Assuming that McConnell could work an 11th hour miracle and produce a bill from the Senate with bipartisan support, the House would kill it dead because it will undoubtedly see some or all of the upper tax rate cuts expire.

This is your country on Tea, ladies and gentlemen.

77 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:59:26pm

If that was an inert at-4, the photo being used is a bit of a dud too.

78 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:59:40pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Wall street (or at least the executives in charge) makes money either way. I don't think they care. They'll all ride their firms into the ground leaving shareholders to take the damage.

Heard a story on NPR today. Sea World is going public. After it was bought by a Romney Type asset management co. (that's my new point of reference now - Romney Type) that loaded it the shit up with debt to pay themselves- the management company. Sea World is making bank right now, but its a huge risk because of all the debt the Romney company stuck it with.

What a fucked up business model we've invented.

79 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 5:59:45pm

re: #67 Stanghazi

Left over ham,harvati, swiss, pepperocini's, mushrooms.

Quite extravagant, but all left overs! I just did the chop.

Sounds good, though I'd only want the meat and cheese myself. But I do like your idea for that and the ingredients work well together.

80 Kragar  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:00:37pm

Some conflicting info out there, but the yellow with black bands seems to indicate a HE round, not a training model.

[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

Image: at-4-02-2012.jpg

81 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:01:46pm

re: #78 Stanghazi

Heard a story on NPR today. Sea World is going public. After it was bought by a Romney Type asset management co. (that's my new point of reference now - Romney Type) that loaded it the shit up with debt to pay themselves- the management company. Sea World is making bank right now, but its a huge risk because of all the debt the Romney company stuck it with.

What a fucked up business model we've invented.

What do you understand Bain Capital's business model to be? Are you sure the firm involved used it?

82 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:01:48pm

re: #67 Stanghazi

Sounds good.
We just made soft tacos with leftover beef from a fancy dinner out. Chateau briand and prime rib. Heck of a taco!

83 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:02:46pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

It's an empty gesture on Boehner's part, he's not going to make any moves that might jeopardize his position until after the 3rd. Assuming that McConnell could work an 11th hour miracle and produce a bill from the Senate with bipartisan support, the House would kill it dead because it will undoubtedly see some or all of the upper tax rate cuts expire.

This is your country on Tea, ladies and gentlemen.

McConnell? That treasonous fuck?

85 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:05:25pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

What do you understand Bain Capital's business model to be? Are you sure the firm involved used it?

Dark, lately I participate lightly. No I don't know if it used the BAIN business model. I heard on the radio and it sounded exactly the same.

Load the debt, make the $$$ for doing your "work" the company loses.

Anyone buying Sea World tomorrow?

86 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:05:26pm

re: #83 Stanghazi

McConnell? That treasonous fuck?

Apparently all the pundits are hopeful that he can work a holiday miracle by drafting up a bill or amendments to the GOP bills already passed earlier this year that will meet with White House and Senate Dem approval, and get them passed fast enough that the House will have time to vote upon them before we go over the cliff.

Me, I'm not holding my breath.

87 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:06:24pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

And one that deals with the debt limit too. Don't forget that bit too.

88 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:07:09pm

re: #82 Political Atheist

Sounds good.
We just made soft tacos with leftover beef from a fancy dinner out. Chateau briand and prime rib. Heck of a taco!

Oh HELL YEAH!!!!

89 freetoken  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:07:41pm

re: #74 Amory Blaine

That 2% payroll holiday isn't good for SSI.

On the whole, retirees have for many years not kept up with their experienced inflation rate.


And, one of the shenanigans the Treasury Secretary will do, come the 1st and there is no new debt limit, is to use the almost $200 billion in Federal employee retirement funds as essentially collateral in short term spending.

90 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:08:08pm

re: #87 lawhawk

And one that deals with the debt limit too. Don't forget that bit too.

Yeah, that's gonna be the hat trick. The White House is not going to enter into hostage negotiations again, which Boehner and the GOP leadership thinks is their only way to extract "painful" cuts from Obama.

Next week is shaping up to put Newt's brinkmanship with Clinton during the 90s to shame.

91 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:11:03pm

Just saw a terribly sad news story. Just today a homeless woman was doused in rubbing alcohol and set afire on a bus bench at a major intersection in the SF valley. A 24 year old man has been arrested. This is why I worry as much about the innate violence in our culture as the weapons at hand.

92 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:12:13pm

re: #85 Stanghazi

Dark, lately I participate lightly. No I don't know if it used the BAIN business model. I heard on the radio and it sounded exactly the same.

Load the debt, make the $$$ for doing your "work" the company loses.

Anyone buying Sea World tomorrow?

I don't know. I will say that you should look at how Sea World was restructured, since one thing Bain normally did right was fix problems with how the company was run.

But I'm not going to say much more on this, since I don't have to defend Bain much anymore.

93 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:13:50pm

re: #29 Gus

"I've been on what I call my flying saucer tour which means like flying saucers. I, too, have been appearing in small southern towns in front of handfuls of hillbillies lately."
-- Bill Hicks

Anything by Bill Hicks deserves at least one upding.

94 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:14:36pm

re: #91 Political Atheist

Just saw a terribly sad news story. Just today a homeless woman was doused in rubbing alcohol and set afire on a bus bench at a major intersection in the SF valley. A 24 year old man has been arrested. This is why I worry as much about the innate violence in our culture as the weapons at hand.

I don't think that's 'the culture' so much as it is a nihilist. it would more accurate to call him the product of a very nasty subculture that seems to occur among some of the homeless in LA.

95 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 27, 2012 6:36:59pm

NightLizards.


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