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I’ve been taking some time today for non-Internet activities, like making almond butter, watching the movie L.A. Confidential for the third time (it’s still great), and thoroughly enjoying Huell Howser’s show on one of the greatest restaurants in Los Angeles, Philippe the Original - Home of the French Dip Sandwich. So here’s a Saturday night open thread as I dream about taking a trip downtown to Philippe’s for a double dip…

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1 Shvaughn  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:17:01pm

Philippe's is awesome. Now I'm thinking about taking a trip down there too! It's not that far for me...

(Reminder: They only take cash so grab some money from the ATM before heading down!)

2 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:23:16pm

Testing posting after upgrading Xubuntu from 12.04 to 12.10.

Everything seems good...

3 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:23:20pm

You've only seen L.A. Confidential three times? Heck, I saw it three times while it was in the theater.

4 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:25:00pm

re: #2 William Barnett-Lewis

Testing posting after upgrading Xubuntu from 12.04 to 12.10.

Everything seems good...

Both use the 3.?.? kernel so it would be surprising if there was an upgrade problem

5 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:34:23pm

On the other hand, Rambo: First Blood Part II has not aged well.

Nice mullet, Sly.

6 Stanghazi  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:35:53pm

I'm watching The Way We Were.

Barbra was hot actually.

7 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:36:11pm

3.5.0-23 but yeah, I didn't expect trouble. Just pleased I didn't have to reinstall the printer drivers as the ones from Brother for their wireless lasers are a PITA. Still have some third party stuff to check as well in case of library conflicts, but still easier than some Apple & MS upgrades over the years.

8 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:36:33pm

I just watched Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows and loved the heck out of it. The first Sherlock Holmes movie with Robert Downey, Jr and Jude Law was OK, this one was way more fun. They took the successful parts of the first and multiplied them for the best movie sequel I think I've ever seen, where the second way surpasses the first.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:38:20pm

re: #8 allegro

I just watched Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows and loved the heck out of it. The first Sherlock Holmes movie with Robert Downey, Jr and Jude Law was OK, this one was way more fun. They took the successful parts of the first and multiplied them for the best movie sequel I think I've ever seen, where the second way surpasses the first.

I didn't entirely love it, but the way the movie handled Moriarty was perfect. He was written and played perfectly as Sherlock Holmes' nemesis.

(revised)

10 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:39:19pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

I didn't entirely love it, but the way the movie handled Moriarty was perfect. He was written and played perfectly and Sherlock Holmes' doppleganger.

The whole chess scene at the end rocked. Very smart and entirely fun.

11 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:39:33pm

re: #8 allegro

I just watched Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows and loved the heck out of it. The first Sherlock Holmes movie with Robert Downey, Jr and Jude Law was OK, this one was way more fun. They took the successful parts of the first and multiplied them for the best movie sequel I think I've ever seen, where the second way surpasses the first.

Being a bit of a Holmes buff, I could see (most) of the ending coming. Though the early part caught me by surprise.

12 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:40:14pm

re: #8 allegro

I just watched Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows and loved the heck out of it. The first Sherlock Holmes movie with Robert Downey, Jr and Jude Law was OK, this one was way more fun. They took the successful parts of the first and multiplied them for the best movie sequel I think I've ever seen, where the second way surpasses the first.

I didn't understand why they killed of Rachel McAdams right at the beginning. Although Noomi Rapace was terrific.

13 Kronocide  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:40:52pm

I'm changing out security system in my house as I consider murdering the last half pizza and a wee bit of Macallan 12. Like a 1/4 bottle, almost disrespectful to save it....

14 freetoken  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:42:03pm

re: #13 Kronocide

I'm changing out security system in my house ...

From S&W to Bushmaster?

15 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:42:03pm

re: #7 William Barnett-Lewis

3.5.0-23 but yeah, I didn't expect trouble. Just pleased I didn't have to reinstall the printer drivers as the ones from Brother for their wireless lasers are a PITA. Still have some third party stuff to check as well in case of library conflicts, but still easier than some Apple & MS upgrades over the years.

The Brother printers can use the generic HP drivers, can't they?

16 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:42:05pm

re: #10 allegro

The whole chess scene at the end rocked. Very smart and entirely fun.

Indeed. Holmes realized that there was no way he could avoid being thrown over the veranda wall by Moriarty, so he did something Moriarty wouldn't be able to counter and took the professor of crime over the wall with him.

17 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:42:12pm

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

I didn't understand why they killed of Rachel McAdams right at the beginning. Although Noomi Rapace was terrific.

That was what I wasn't expecting. Then again, considering the ending, there's no guarantee that she's actually dead.

18 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:43:22pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

Being a bit of a Holmes buff, I could see (most) of the ending coming. Though the early part caught me by surprise.

It had a tongue-in-cheek and affectionate tone that had me completely charmed from beginning to end. Every actor was pitch-perfect from the leads to Stephen Frye (who I can never get enough of), Noomi Rapace, and certainly the actor who played Moriarty with delicious understatement.

19 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:43:41pm

re: #8 allegro

Eh, I just can't get Downey as Holmes, mostly because I dislike him. I've been far more interested in the modern dress Sherlock on BBC. Now that's the first version that is as good as & even better than the Jeremy Brett versions.

20 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:44:09pm

Here's my favorite Philippe: Wynne.

Best 4 seconds of dancing ever starts at 2:59.

Later, lizards.

21 Kronocide  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:44:21pm

re: #14 freetoken

From S&W to Bushmaster?

Yes! Now with an iPhone app!

22 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:45:05pm

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

I didn't understand why they killed of Rachel McAdams right at the beginning. Although Noomi Rapace was terrific.

I was surprised by that, too. I kept expecting her to turn up again somewhere.

23 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:46:03pm

re: #19 William Barnett-Lewis

Eh, I just can't get Downey as Holmes, mostly because I dislike him. I've been far more interested in the modern dress Sherlock on BBC. Now that's the first version that is as good as & even better than the Jeremy Brett versions.

Jeremy Brett was the best Holmes ever.
Peter Ustinov was the best Poirot ever.

24 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:46:18pm

re: #19 William Barnett-Lewis

Eh, I just can't get Downey as Holmes, mostly because I dislike him. I've been far more interested in the modern dress Sherlock on BBC. Now that's the first version that is as good as & even better than the Jeremy Brett versions.

The one with Benedict Cumberbatch? I loved that! I'm hoping they do a Season 3 and many more. It rocks.

25 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:47:06pm

re: #15 b_sharp

The Brother printers can use the generic HP drivers, can't they?

Didn't want to, for me at least, over the wireless. When I plugged in the USB, generic PCL worked fine. So I fought with the Brother script and got it to work but it took more than any other printer driver in a long while.

The flipside? A fast, cheap ($119 OTD) laser printer with Ethernet, USB & wireless connectivity and a built-in duplexer. Much better than feeding some damn inkjet near daily.

26 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:47:53pm

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

I didn't understand why they killed of Rachel McAdams right at the beginning. Although Noomi Rapace was terrific.

I agree with TP that her character's death is not entirely certain, but removing her from the equation in the way Moriarty did served two purposes for the story:

1. It made the pursuit and exposure of Moriarty personal for Holmes, giving it added intensity and justifying Holmes being willing to die to take Moriarty down.

2. It cleared the way for Rapace's character and also kept intact the diad relationship between Holmes and Watson. To keep McAdams' character in the mix would have changed it to more of a triad at best and at worst would have left Watson as the 3rd wheel.

27 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:49:03pm

I'm out of here for a bit.

Later scaly ones.

28 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:50:01pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

I agree with TP that her character's death in not entirely certain, but removing her from the equation in the way Moriarty did served two purposes for the story:

1. It made the pursuit and exposure of Moriarty personal for Holmes, giving it added intensity and justifying Holmes being willing to die to take Moriarty down.

2. It cleared the way for Rapace's character and also kept intact the diad relationship between Holmes and Watson. To keep McAdams' character in the mix would have changed it to more of a triad at best and at worst would have left Watson as the 3rd wheel.

But then they brought in Mrs. Watson for what could have been just as easily accomplished by Irene.

29 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:50:37pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

One of the greatest R&B songs ever written.

Todd Rundgren's version from A Cappella is also great, done entirely with overdubbing and samples of Todd's voice:

30 Gus  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:53:23pm
31 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:54:18pm

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

But then they brought in Mrs. Watson for what could have been just as easily accomplished by Irene.

I think Mrs. Watson has a great future, assuming there are more sequels in the works. She's kinda snuck in there and there was total joy in the bit of participation we saw from her. We can see that she's really getting off to it. I hope to see more of Noomi in future sequels but think this was it for her. She was a one shot deal.

32 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:55:09pm

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

But then they brought in Mrs. Watson for what could have been just as easily accomplished by Irene.

Because they wanted to keep Watson's wife in the picture, possibly for her naivety, a quality well suited to comedic purposes.

33 Tigger2  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:56:25pm

LOL Republicanism at it's best.
video-former-congressional-candidate-caught-slashing-fellow-gop-candidates-tires.

[Link: www.sfreporter.com...]

34 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:56:32pm
35 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:58:26pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

Because they wanted to keep Watson's wife in the picture, possibly for her naivety, a quality well suited to comedic purposes.

She wasn't so naive. She grabbed that gun real quick and "ordered" her husband to open the door to throw the bad guy off the train. Later, she dove into doing the back work with considerable enthusiasm, more than we see from her husband. I suspect there are great plans for that character that I look forward to.

36 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:00:00pm

re: #30 Gus

Here's me, realizing that Melanie Phillips is a creationist loon in 2009:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

37 freetoken  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:02:32pm

I just found out via my email in-basket that one of the largest and best known jewelry supply businesses, Rio Grande (of NM), has been bought by Berkshire Hathaway (yes, that Berkshire Hathaway .)

So, Warren Buffet sees a future for jewelry?

38 TedStriker  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:03:32pm

re: #37 freetoken

I just found out via my email in-basket that one of the largest and best known jewelry supply businesses, Rio Grande (of NM), has been bought by Berkshire Hathaway (yes, that Berkshire Hathaway .)

So, Warren Buffet sees a future for jewelry?

Buffett has his hands in a lot of industries.

39 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:04:49pm

re: #2 William Barnett-Lewis

Testing posting after upgrading Xubuntu from 12.04 to 12.10.

Everything seems good...

I reluctantly abandoned Arch Linux after the upheaval caused by the switch to systemd. That's the downside of a bleeding-edge, rolling release distro. I don't have the patience to mess around with such things anymore.

I use Debian (Sid) with XFCE on my work laptop. My home computers are in need of a new distro. Both my laptop and desktop are running Arch, and I haven't updated in months. Any update at this point would cause severe breakage that I don't care to fix. My inclination is to just go with Debian... but I want to audition some others.

Xubuntu would probably require the least amount of post-installation work, but in my experience Xubuntu has always been ridiculously slow and bloated as compared to other XFCE distros.

Ahh, choice. What a pain in the ass it can be.

40 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:18:23pm

re: #39 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Xubuntu would probably require the least amount of post-installation work, but in my experience Xubuntu has always been ridiculously slow and bloated as compared to other XFCE distros.

Ahh, choice. What a pain in the ass it can be.

Heh.

I've only tried a smallish number of distros. So far, NetBSD with OLVWM is the screaming fastest with the smallest ram footprint but doesn't play nice with anything :p Xubuntu is a reasonable cross between speed, footprint and ability to "just get it going". It's a boatload faster than the monstrosity of a desktop regular Ubuntu uses... :eek:

41 freetoken  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:20:09pm

re: #38 TedStriker

Buffett has his hands in a lot of industries.

In this case, I suspect it's a gamble that jewelry source products will keep up with inflation. Rio Grande sells a lot of metal, and stones, both finished and unfinished. Their physical assets will climb in value.

However, the problem is that precious metals have become too precious for most Americans. This has been a limiting factor, but maybe at the wholesale level Buffet is betting that the bigger players will hold on to whatever changes happen in the American market.

It's a play similar to real estate, water, or other resources. It's a bet to ride inflation.

42 gwangung  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:23:08pm

re: #37 freetoken

I just found out via my email in-basket that one of the largest and best known jewelry supply businesses, Rio Grande (of NM), has been bought by Berkshire Hathaway (yes, that Berkshire Hathaway .)

So, Warren Buffet sees a future for jewelry?

He's owned Ben Bridge Jewelers up in the NW for quite some time.

43 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:24:49pm

re: #39 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

There are a million tangents in Technology. My choice of tech has served me well. I'm considered a subject matter expert on scanguns. That means connecting with any and all OS's on multiply server platforms. Connection to various DB's including Oracle sockets and calls/returns. It is something I really enjoy with Technology and 3rd party WMS solutions. Lots of schools and conferences around the country and I get to travel to our global offices to set up scanguns for them.

44 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:27:34pm

re: #43 A Man for all Seasons

There are a million tangents in Technology. My choice of tech has served me well. I'm considered a subject matter expert on scanguns. That means connecting with any and all OS's on multiply server platforms. Connection to various DB's including Oracle sockets and calls/returns. It is something I really enjoy with Technology and 3rd party WMS solutions. Lots of schools and conferences around the country and I get to travel to our global offices to set up scanguns for them.

Yanno, I'm pretty fluent in English, being my native language and all, but WTF did you just say? I can read a French newspaper and understand the gist of the story easier than that.

45 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:32:45pm

re: #44 allegro

Yanno, I'm pretty fluent in English, being my native language and all, but WTF did you just say? I can read a French newspaper and understand the gist of the story easier than that.

Whoops sorry...I've spent my professional career learning everything there is to know about scanguns. It has been rewarding and challenging and fun for 15 years. :)

46 freetoken  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:40:17pm

One of my favorite bits of tech is the "hammer". It's been used to make many a pretty thing:
Image: hammered_copper_plate_90202-6.jpg

47 efuseakay  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:50:09pm

re: #33 Tigger2

LOL Republicanism at it's best.
video-former-congressional-candidate-caught-slashing-fellow-gop-candidates-tires.

[Link: www.sfreporter.com...]

If he's a felon, wish his 2nd Amendment rights goodbye!

48 RexMundi  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:53:12pm

I LOVE L.A. Confidential! First bluray I ever bought (along with The Dark Knight). The camera shots, the story, the acting, that noir feeling to it, it's just a great, great movie.

49 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:53:18pm

re: #45 A Man for all Seasons

Whoops sorry...I've spent my professional career learning everything there is to know about scanguns. It has been rewarding and challenging and fun for 15 years. :)

Yeah, well someday I'll get back at ya with a discussion of myxoviruses... or something. :P

50 Bubblehead II  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:53:20pm

Night Lizards.

51 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:57:20pm

re: #33 Tigger2

LOL Republicanism at it's best.
video-former-congressional-candidate-caught-slashing-fellow-gop-candidates-tires.

[Link: www.sfreporter.com...]

That's amazing. They actually have Republicans in Santa Fe. Who could have imagined such a thing?

52 Interesting Times  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 7:59:44pm

re: #49 allegro

Hey, speaking of your area of expertise, did you see this?

Fighting may have shaped evolution of human hand

Pretty provocative comments from the researchers:

"I think there is a lot of resistance...to the idea that, at some level humans are by nature aggressive animals. I actually think that attitude, and the people who have tried to make the case that we don't have a nature - those people have not served us well.

"I think we would be better off if we faced the reality that we have these strong emotions and sometimes they prime us to behave in violent ways. I think if we acknowledged that we'd be better able to prevent violence in future."

53 Kronocide  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:00:25pm

re: #44 allegro

Yanno, I'm pretty fluent in English, being my native language and all, but WTF did you just say? I can read a French newspaper and understand the gist of the story easier than that.

What me meant was 'Pew pew pew pew, scanguns'

54 Stanghazi  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:01:06pm

re: #43 A Man for all Seasons

updinged with a complete huh.

55 Stanghazi  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:05:46pm

re: #53 Kronocide

What me meant was 'Pew pew pew pew, scanguns'

Are you referring to Allegro's y chromosome artwork? hahaha the best. pew pew pew.

56 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:06:20pm

re: #33 Tigger2

Oi vay iz mir. What a prick.

57 Gus  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:07:34pm

re: #46 freetoken

One of my favorite bits of tech is the "hammer". It's been used to make many a pretty thing:
Image: hammered_copper_plate_90202-6.jpg

58 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:07:49pm

re: #54 Stanghazi

updinged with a complete huh.

Sorry..I'm buzzed on pain killers.. But that's my job..scanguns. They are small computers that can be complex to operate and program. I've really enjoyed it

59 biorabbi  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:09:30pm

I've lost count of how many times I've watched LA Confidential. It's like fine wine.

Rolo Tomassi!

60 Kronocide  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:10:21pm
61 Stanghazi  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:11:51pm

re: #58 A Man for all Seasons

Sorry..I'm buzzed on pain killers.. But that's my job..scanguns. They are small computers that can be complex to operate and program. I've really enjoyed it

pew pew pew!

I've watched The Way We Were, now the original (shit I can't remember the name.....couple betrothed to others meet on cruise ship, fall in love, empire st. bldg, TROUBLES) movie. Troubled love on TCM, I like it.

(no pew pew pew)

62 Stanghazi  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:12:52pm

re: #60 Kronocide

Image: pew-pew-pew-merica.jpg

l o l

find me allegro's y chromosome and I'll sleep tonight! (I tried, I give up easy)

63 Gus  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:14:19pm

You Must Be Stanley

64 freetoken  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:15:55pm
65 Kronocide  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:16:17pm

The Hunger Games - Bap Lip Reading

67 Gus  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:19:24pm

re: #64 freetoken

[Embedded content]

Here comes the jackpot question in advance.

Ella.

68 Stanghazi  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:20:09pm

OT. I have an Obama beanie. When I'm feeling ready I wear it. I've been out and about a little today with that thing on my head. Quite amazing the division. The young, the workers, smile. The oldies grimace or frown.

Happy NY.

69 JAFO  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:24:05pm

re: #68 Stanghazi

Happy New York to you, too.

70 Gus  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:26:50pm

Killgore's still all worried about Geller and Spencer.

/// // / /// / /// /

71 Stanghazi  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:33:09pm

re: #69 JAFO

Happy New York to you, too.

Wish I was there!

72 freetoken  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:47:06pm

On another topic, when discussing Islam I have tried on occasion to bring up the idea that Islam, as a religion, was dependent upon the pre-existing Christianity that was already established in the near East in the 6th century (as well as the continued presence of Jewish communities, and of the sometimes conflicting relationships between Jews and Christians in the region.)

To further that idea:

Buried Christian Empire Casts New Light on Early Islam

Interesting stuff, and it supports the idea that one of the sources of Islam is a deviant version of Eastern Christianity.

73 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 8:48:42pm

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

Jeremy Brett was the best Holmes ever.
Peter Ustinov was the best Poirot ever.

But who was the best Marple?

74 jaunte  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 9:02:23pm
75 dragonath  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 9:16:30pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

On the other hand, Rambo: First Blood Part II has not aged well.

Nice mullet, Sly.

On the other hand...

76 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 9:25:39pm

re: #62 Stanghazi

l o l

find me allegro's y chromosome and I'll sleep tonight! (I tried, I give up easy)

I still have it...

Image: abnormal_dna.png

77 freetoken  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 9:54:31pm

I've been pondering the idea of my "Pages" for quite a while... trying to figure out what to do next.

On the whole, I'm glad to have produced what I did. For the most part my goal has been not to just regurgitate some news wire story or link to another politics-centric blog article (e.g. TP, HuffPo, and the like) but to try and add value.

And for some Pages I have written there has been an audience, if the "views" counter is any evidence. I'm happy that some have garnered roughly a thousand views or more, and of course the few that then went on to become featured on the LGF front page garnered much more attention.

My current challenge is to try and figure out how to get more readers. The impression I'm left with here at the turn of 2012 into 2013 is that the blogosphere is so over-saturated (in the English language subset of the W.W.W. anyway) that the survivors are coalescing into fewer but larger entities - notice how HuffPo has sucked up so many writers, who seem so willing to give out there work for no direct remuneration. These writers then have to have other items to hawk, such as books, for which they use their HuffPo pieces as an advertising front.

Anyway, I know what sells in our culture - sex, vanity, and escapism (which includes the transfer-the-blame industry.) Many, even most, of the "services" products available in our commerce center around those items. However, 5 decades of my life have conspired to turn my personality away from pandering to those all very human tastes.

Ascetic. Artist. Prophet. Those are hard businesses to be in. Not that I am any of them, but my own personality tends toward those types.

So here I am writing, avoiding what I need to do (year end taxes, most of all filing a mountain of paper/bills away), but still chewing on the problem of what to do next, and if I can turn my penchant for writing into anything profitable.

In the meantime:

78 prairiefire  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:04:06pm

re: #77 freetoken

Do you have any connections to literary agents, perhaps for university or government publications? I wonder if there might be some opportunity in the higher education realm. I would not cast you as a Mickey Spillane!
Many an ink stained wretch has starved to death for want of an audience, I'm afraid.

79 Poiks  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:05:12pm

So...true story. I've been to Phillippe's exactly once. I and a bunch of coworkers went before the L.A. Auto Show. Relevant background: I'm hard of hearing, and a coworker named Betty is a southern belle without any filter.

We went in, ordered our food, and went to our "table" (which seemed like a picnic bench). We got our food on cafeteria-style trays, and I heard Betty ask "Where's the old Jew?".

I sat for a few seconds pondering how to respond, thinking that perhaps Phillippe's, which I knew had some historical significance, had some old Jewish person as a patron saint.

Eventually it was clarified that Betty meant "au jus."

80 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:07:01pm

Sorry I was gone for a while. My best friend and I were talking on the phone.

81 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:12:04pm

re: #52 Interesting Times

Hey, speaking of your area of expertise, did you see this?

Fighting may have shaped evolution of human hand

Pretty provocative comments from the researchers:

My first impression from reading the article was WTF? Not unusual since articles like this typically simplify and often take bizarre messages from the actual research papers. I quickly scanned the original paper to see no such conclusion as presented in the article. Not surprising since that would be entering into the evo-psych realm. Though the research does support the structure of the hand as evolved to be an effective club for striking as well as to be used as a structure for gripping and fine manipulation (a remarkable structure, in other words), the emotional content, i.e. inherent violence of homo sapiens, cannot be inferred. The professor quoted in the article is going well beyond his research in making such a claim.

82 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:23:14pm

re: #81 allegro

I should add that it cannot be inferred in my opinion. As a reviewer of the paper, I would reject such a conclusion as not supported.

83 freetoken  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:26:58pm

re: #78 prairiefire

I am ink stained wretch

I am ink stained wretch
Ink stained wretch I am

That ink-stained-wretch-I-am
That ink-stained-wretch-I-am!
I do not like
that ink-stained-wretch-I-am

84 prairiefire  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:29:51pm

re: #83 freetoken

I believe you are missing an "an." /

85 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:49:41pm

re: #52 Interesting Times

Hey, speaking of your area of expertise, did you see this?

Fighting may have shaped evolution of human hand

Pretty provocative comments from the researchers:

Pretty sure the human hand evolved for masturbation.

86 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:52:58pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Pretty sure the human hand evolved for masturbation.

And on that note, goodnight.

87 allegro  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:59:12pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Pretty sure the human hand evolved for masturbation.

LOL That is as likely as the professor's statement in the article.

88 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 11:25:23pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Pretty sure the human hand evolved for masturbation.

Or pulling a trigger.

;-)

Really, Frank, why is ten rounds more arbitrary than my six? Not doing anything about the capacity of bullets in guns is rock dumb. No one, whether crazy or trying to make a name for themselves (also nuts) should have the ability to walk into a public space and shoot twenty kids, literally, to pieces using thirty round clips.

What's a good number for you?

89 freetoken  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 11:28:08pm

re: #88 austin_blue

What's a good number for you?

π

90 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 11:33:32pm

re: #89 freetoken

��

Six? Ten rounds? Sixteen? What should the allowable capacity be in a gun?

Mass shooters like high capacity weapons. It makes it so much *easier* to shoot the maximum number of people in the shortest amount of time.

91 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 11:40:30pm

Staying up late hoping to make to 3am for the US-CAN JR game in Russia. I need some good hockey, and this game should bring it.

I love LA Confidential. The Ellroy book was a fun read. The movie changes a few major things for the worse, but it's still better than the book by far. It's a mini- Godfather - power and corruption - set in LA when it was most interesting to me. Great ensemble cast, beautifully shot, perfectly executed. Lots of great performances, but James Cromwell stood out creating a really fun villain with the most cynical gift of gab.

92 freetoken  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 11:40:31pm

re: #90 austin_blue

reload

93 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 29, 2012 11:57:26pm

re: #92 freetoken

reload

Well that's the point isn't it? A shooter is most vulnerable when he's trying to reload. He's just a guy with a piece of metal in his hand. The Tucson shooter was tackled doing exactly that. If his clip had held six, how many people would not have been shot?

Maybe this one?

Christina Taylor Green, 9, of Tucson. Green was accompanied to the meeting by neighbor Susan Hileman. As her date of birth was September 11, 2001, she had appeared in the book Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11 . She was the granddaughter of former Major League Baseball player and manager Dallas Green and the second cousin of actress Sophia Bush.

94 researchok  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:12:59am

Morning, all

95 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:19:47am

re: #94 researchok

Morning, all

Morning! Just in time for me to pack it in. Time for some kip, that is. Sweet dreams to all.

96 researchok  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:21:06am

re: #64 freetoken

re: #77 freetoken

Great bookends.

97 freetoken  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:28:29am
98 freetoken  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:30:20am

re: #93 austin_blue

I meant reload the page to see what I wrote.

As far as magazine size, what's to keep the dedicated from just buying two pistols that hold smaller loads? Most of these gun nuts have more than one gun already.

99 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:30:48am

re: #88 austin_blue

Or pulling a trigger.

;-)

Really, Frank, why is ten rounds more arbitrary than my six?

You mean why is it less arbitrary, and the answer is because it will make far fewer people in to felons. Holding onto Grandpa's 1911 or Garand isn't viewed as a crime. It's easy to comply with, especially if there's an exception for tubular mag rimfire lever action rifles. Ten is actually doable whereas six turn reasonable, responsible gun owners into the opposition. If that's what you want, fine. Living in California, red staters already view us as another country, and getting them to comply with the same ten round capacity restriction California has will be hard enough of a fight. Six rounds is practically and politically impossible.

100 researchok  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:34:40am

re: #97 freetoken

Who is that?

101 JAFO  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:36:49am

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

You mean why is it less arbitrary, and the answer is because it will make far fewer people in to felons. Holding onto Grandpa's 1911 or Garand isn't viewed as a crime. It's easy to comply with, especially if there's an exception for tubular mag rimfire lever action rifles. Ten is actually doable whereas six turn reasonable, responsible gun owners into the opposition. If that's what you want, fine. Living in California, red staters already view us as another country, and getting them to comply with the same ten round capacity restriction California has will be hard enough of a fight. Six rounds is practically and politically impossible.

I live in California and have a SKS with a fixed 10 round magazine. I'm kinda biased to 10 round limit too.

102 freetoken  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:41:26am

re: #100 researchok

Who is that?

Chet Baker.

103 freetoken  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:41:47am

While I'm at it, here's the Ames Bros:

104 researchok  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:45:57am

Terrific. Another slice of time.

105 Tigger2005  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:32:37am

Definition of a slacker: someone who's only seen L.A. Confidential three lousy times!

106 Tigger2005  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:35:47am

Saw Les Miserables: Beautiful movie, can't get "Do You Hear the People Sing" out of my head.

107 freetoken  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:41:44am

A short work by Titov:

108 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 4:54:54am

Titov done buggeredov...

109 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 5:12:12am

Good Morning.

110 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 5:20:01am

re: #109 PhillyPretzel

Good Morning.

Good morning, PP. Ready to see the Giants hand the Eagles their 12th loss of the season?

As for me, I'll be watching the Bears and seeing if they can take down the Lions, which should happen. But then Green Bay still needs to win its last regular season game against Minnesota for the bears to make the playoffs.

111 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 5:23:40am

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

If it is not Northeast High School vs Central High School or Army vs Navy I am not interested in football. Enjoy watching the games you mentioned.

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 5:43:06am

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Good morning, PP. Ready to see the Giants hand the Eagles their 12th loss of the season?

As for me, I'll be watching the Bears and seeing if they can take down the Lions, which should happen. But then Green Bay still needs to win its last regular season game against Minnesota for the bears to make the playoffs.

Steelers have a useless "pride" game for the first time in a few years. Maybe this will get them more serious about fixing their offensive line rather than counting on their QB's ability to avoid sacks. (He still gets sacked/hit a lot, but he does have an above average ability for delaying it from happening.)

As for the Eagles, this is probably the Reid finale. Be interesting to know how he sold this to the players - perhaps as their last chance to make an impression for being employed next season?

113 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 5:56:38am

re: #73 The Ghost of a Flea

But who was the best Marple?

Joan Hickson!

114 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 6:02:26am

re: #112 Feline Fearless Leader

Steelers have a useless "pride" game for the first time in a few years. Maybe this will get them more serious about fixing their offensive line rather than counting on their QB's ability to avoid sacks. (He still gets sacked/hit a lot, but he does have an above average ability for delaying it from happening.)

As for the Eagles, this is probably the Reid finale. Be interesting to know how he sold this to the players - perhaps as their last chance to make an impression for being employed next season?

The Eagles can still act as the spoiler against New York. If they win, then Eli Manning and company don't make the playoffs.

The St. Louis Rams are an even more interesting position. With a record of 7-7-1 they aren't making the playoffs, but they have been unbeatable within the NFC West (even San Francisco tied the Rams once and lost once). If the Rams win today, they ensure the the 49ers will be division champions and they'll have a winning record. The 49ers are playing lowly Arizona, but poorer records teams have delivered some shocks this season and the 49ers need the win for home field advantage.

As for the Packers, they face the Vikings. The Packers can knock the Vikings out of the playoffs with a win, and if San Francisco wins they'll get a first round bye. On the other hand, San Francisco is very likely to win, and losing would put the Vikings in the playoffs instead of the Bears. But no, Green Bay doesn't do 'strategic losses' like that, not when playing in Minnesota means having so many of their Cheesehead fans in attendance. The Packers will play hard, and Adrian Peterson is going to need to run like the wind to give the Vikings a chance. Much may depend on defense, with the Vikings' ability to force turnovers ranged against the Packers' ability to stop the run. Bottom line: I still favor Green Bay to win.

115 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 6:39:09am

re: #106 Tigger2005

Saw Les Miserables: Beautiful movie, can't get "Do You Hear the People Sing" out of my head.

I caught the 10th anniversary while at my folks. I didn't pay much attention as I'm not big on musicals.

Until this came on.

A magnificent song done in fifteen languages.

116 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 6:41:32am

Tell me Jean-Paul, how was your date with Yvette?

-Pfui. She was a lay miserable!

117 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 6:45:18am

Morning! Watch this!

OK, over at the Weekly Standard:

Obama Orders Pay Raise for Biden, Members of Congress, Federal Workers!!

Get it? Teh pay raise! Jump up and down screaming. But look! Over a the Washington Post in 2010:

Obama announces 2-year pay freeze for federal workers

Basically Obama is ending a pay freeze that he himself put in place. He isn't ordering a "pay raise." It mentions the freeze in the body of the WS text. Haven't checked Drudge.

118 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 6:49:15am

re: #115 Romantic Heretic

I caught the 10th anniversary while at my folks. I didn't pay much attention as I'm not big on musicals.

Until this came on.

[Embedded content]

A magnificent song done in fifteen languages.

I loved Les Miserables when i first saw it performed at the Chicago Auditorium. I saw it twice there, and again as an televised concert. But all of that was back in the 1990's. As I became more politically minded, my like of Les Miserables declined greatly for factional reasons.

119 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 6:59:15am

I have watched Les Miserables on PBS when they are running the anniversary editions. They were good.

120 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:04:08am

Hate crime charge in NYC subway death

A 31-year-old Bronx woman has been charged with second-degree murder as a hate crime in the death of a man shoved in front of a subway train, Queens prosecutors said Saturday.

District Attorney Richard A. Brown identified the woman as Erika Menendez. She was awaiting arraignment.

"(She) said in sum and substance 'I pushed a Muslim off the train tracks because I hate Hindus and Muslims ever since 2001 when they put down the twin towers I've been beating them up,'" the prosecutor said in a statement.

The victim, Sunando Sen, grew up in a Hindu family, his roommate said.

Witnesses said a woman paced the platform and talked to herself Thursday evening shortly before pushing the man as the 11-car train entered the station. The 46-year-old man's body was pinned under the second car after it came to a stop.

So it turns out that this particular bigot happens to be Latino. That's noteworthy, but I don't think it says much other than that bigotry is the monopoly of any one group of people.

121 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:06:59am

Lies! //

122 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:07:00am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Hate crime charge in NYC subway death

So it turns out that this particular bigot happens to be Latino. That's noteworthy, but I don't think it says much other than that bigotry is the monopoly of any one group of people.

Remember the stink of red herring when the question of George Zimmerman's ethnicity came up...

123 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:13:56am

re: #122 Sol Berdinowitz

Remember the stink of red herring when the question of George Zimmerman's ethnicity came up...

In both cases it is the perceived ethnicity or religion of the person who died that is the big issue. But the two cases shouldn't be compared too closely, since there are far more unknowns in the Zimmerman case than there are with the clearly bigoted Erika Menendez. But the fact that they are both Latino is of distinctly secondary if not tertiary importance.

124 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:15:04am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Hate crime charge in NYC subway death

So it turns out that this particular bigot happens to be Latino. That's noteworthy, but I don't think it says much other than that bigotry is the monopoly of any one group of people.

You notice how quickly people are to say "she's crazy?"

125 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:18:05am

re: #124 Gus

You notice how quickly people are to say "she's crazy?"

Of course society wants (read; NEEDS) to classify anyone as "sane" after doing that, no matter what the motivation

I've met many racists/ bigots/ prejudice people in my life. Not a one of them have ever pushed someone onto a train track

126 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:18:52am

re: #125 sattv4u2

Of course society wants (read; NEEDS) to classify anyone as "sane" after doing that, no matter what the motivation

I've met many racists/ bigots/ prejudice people in my life. Not a one of them have ever pushed someone onto a train track

That's right. Society doesn't bear any burden. She's "just crazy."

//

127 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:19:10am

Nidal Malik Hasan is just crazy.

128 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:21:07am

re: #127 Gus

Nidal Malik Hasan is just crazy.

I'm sure at that moment he was

Doesn't make him (nor Erika Menendez.) not guilty!

(Hello, Charles Manson!!)

129 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:24:49am

re: #128 sattv4u2

I'm sure at that moment he was

Doesn't make him (nor Erika Menendez.) not guilty!

(Hello, Charles Manson!!)

Note to self. When in subway station hug the wall.

130 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:27:00am

re: #129 Gus

Note to self. When in subway station hug the wall.

Why should you worry, Gus? You're already crazy. ;)

131 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:27:54am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Why should you worry, Gus? You're already crazy. ;)

Good point. That way I can control my urges.

//

132 A Mom Anon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:29:19am

re: #127 Gus

Am I the only one who feels like maybe a lack of community is part of the problem? If you are perceived as being odd or different you are at a disadvantage if you do not have plenty of support in the form of family, friends, and the community in general. The last thing people with mental health issues need is to be more isolated than they already are. I can't help but think that in SOME cases at least, a watchful and caring community could and would spot issues in the early stages and not wait til someone becomes so ill they would hurt themselves or others.

When we talk about increasing access to mental health services(and to that I would add the words COMPETENT and APPROPRIATE for the person) I think we also need to address the isolation that the mentally ill and their families face. Our system is slow and inadequate in many if not most cases. I think having strong and functional communities that are not immediately frightened or ashamed of mental illness is going to be a key part of things if we decide to move forward on this issue.

133 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:29:45am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Why should you worry, Gus? You're already crazy. ;)

I rode MUNI in SF and took the bus and light rail here for about a month. It's quite the experience dealing with some of these folks.

134 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:30:35am

2012 and probably 2013 are going to set the already-deplorable public perception of "mental health issues" back 200 years.

135 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:31:40am

re: #126 Gus

That's right. Society doesn't bear any burden. She's "just crazy."//

Social pressures made a person push another person in front of a train? Please describe the steps one follows to arrive logically at this result.

136 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:31:50am

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Good morning, PP. Ready to see the Giants hand the Eagles their 12th loss of the season?

As for me, I'll be watching the Bears and seeing if they can take down the Lions, which should happen. But then Green Bay still needs to win its last regular season game against Minnesota for the bears to make the playoffs.

Haven't you heard? The fix is in and the Packers are to lay down so Adrian Peterson can get his record... /// Don't know which will do what though I think of the four only the Bears won't one and out.

137 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:32:10am

re: #126 Gus

That's right. Society doesn't bear any burden. She's "just crazy."

//

Unless the perpetrator is Muslim, in which case they are a terrorist regardless of their mental state and the facts of the case.
///

138 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:32:41am

re: #132 A Mom Anon

Am I the only one who feels like maybe a lack of community is part of the problem? If you are perceived as being odd or different you are at a disadvantage if you do not have plenty of support in the form of family, friends, and the community in general. The last thing people with mental health issues need is to be more isolated than they already are. I can't help but think that in SOME cases at least, a watchful and caring community could and would spot issues in the early stages and not wait til someone becomes so ill they would hurt themselves or others.

When we talk about increasing access to mental health services(and to that I would add the words COMPETENT and APPROPRIATE for the person) I think we also need to address the isolation that the mentally ill and their families face. Our system is slow and inadequate in many if not most cases. I think having strong and functional communities that are not immediately frightened or ashamed of mental illness is going to be a key part of things if we decide to move forward on this issue.

Yes. Isolation is a big problem. Lack of community, family or friend support. Suburban isolation plays a big role with shooters like the one in Newtown, Columbine.

139 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:32:42am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

In both cases it is the perceived ethnicity or religion of the person who died that is the big issue. But the two cases shouldn't be compared too closely, since there are far more unknowns in the Zimmerman case than there are with the clearly bigoted Erika Menendez. But the fact that they are both Latino is of distinctly secondary if not tertiary importance.

Which did not prevent it from being a big issue of distraction when the story first broke...

140 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:32:53am

re: #137 Feline Fearless Leader

Unless the perpetrator is Muslim, in which case they are a terrorist regardless of their mental state and the facts of the case.
///

We've got a winner!

141 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:33:15am

re: #125 sattv4u2

Of course society wants (read; NEEDS) to classify anyone as "sane" after doing that, no matter what the motivation

I've met many racists/ bigots/ prejudice people in my life. Not a one of them have ever pushed someone onto a train track

How about lynching, shooting or bombing?

142 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:33:39am

re: #135 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Social pressures made a person push another person in front of a train? Please describe the steps one follows to arrive logically at this result.

Society as in media, posters, hate radio, hate TV, SIOA protests, etc, etc, etc.

143 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:34:59am

re: #141 Sol Berdinowitz

How about lynching, shooting or bombing?

Nope. Non of the racists/ bigots/ prejudice people I've come across in my life have ever lynched, shot or bombed anyone/thing either!

144 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:36:41am

re: #143 sattv4u2

Nope. Non of the racists/ bigots/ prejudice people I've come across in my life have ever lynched, shot or bombed anyone/thing either!

Good to know that you move with a higher class of prejudiced racist bigots...

145 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:38:43am

re: #144 Sol Berdinowitz

Good to know that you move with a higher class of prejudiced racist bigots...

Not higher class
Just not insane

(and btw,, I don't "move with" them. Please notice that I stated I've "met"
You've never "met" a racist/ bigoted/ prejudice person ??)

146 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:38:47am

re: #125 sattv4u2

Of course society wants (read; NEEDS) to classify anyone as "sane" after doing that, no matter what the motivation

I've met many racists/ bigots/ prejudice people in my life. Not a one of them have ever pushed someone onto a train track

I wasn't thinking in terms of sentencing. Just in how we as a society perceive these perpetrators as being "just crazy" and seemingly blow off the overall cultural environment that may have motivated these acts.

147 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:40:52am

re: #146 Gus

I wasn't thinking in terms of sentencing. Just in how we as a society perceive these perpetrators as being "just crazy" and seemingly blow off the overall cultural environment that may have motivated these acts.

unless the perpetrator was a Muslim, in which case they were simply "following the imperatives of their religion"...

148 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:41:02am

re: #132 A Mom Anon

I know there are a number here who don't think much of the idea of the urban/rural divide, but I do find that in rural communities people are more in touch with their neighbors and and more community oriented - perhaps through church, perhaps through school. And another issue is the fact that most small communities are relatively homogeneous with one or few groups with in that can pull together.

I've lived in both and find I prefer the smaller communities, so some of this may well be simple bias.

149 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:41:15am

re: #146 Gus

I wasn't thinking in terms of sentencing. Just in how we as a society perceive these perpetrators as being "just crazy" and seemingly blow off the overall cultural environment that may have motivated these acts.

Thats because there is no blanket "cultural environment that may have motivated these acts". In each case the history and the triggers are different. In the case of this lady it seems as if 9/11 started it. in the case of someone else it could have been an unhappy childhood, or the loss of a mentor. There is no 'one size fits all" trigger

150 A Mom Anon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:46:02am

re: #134 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I think education is a key, but I'm not sure how you reach people in enough numbers to make things shift in the other direction.

I've been pretty much a full time advocate for my autistic son for going on 19 yrs now. Even people with training and knowledge sometimes aren't as informed as you would think. I'm not sure how barriers can be broken so that there's less fear and more action taken to help rather than the knee jerk media responses we see every time some awful tragedy happens. It's soul crushing.

151 A Mom Anon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:53:54am

re: #148 William Barnett-Lewis

I think there's a bit to that honestly, small towns function differently than larger metropolitan areas do, that should be obvious. There's something to be said for both ways of living, each has advantages. I think there are ways to design and maybe redesign our suburbs to be more "neighborly"(sidewalks, more mixed use neighborhoods-with shops within walking distance, smaller schools, etc),but those aren't a priority and won't be until people really begin to understand that we need each other a lot more than we're admitting at this point in time. It's not a simple issue, but in order to make this better, it's going to take a multi pronged approach. Community matters, but it's only one part of the bigger picture.

152 SpaceJesus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:06:09am

Freep discusses ways to stem gang violence

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Well, they have been killing the heck out of each other in Africa for generations. There always seems to be more of them though, and it’s always someone else’s problem to fix ( not their own). Time to build that wall.

3 posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 8:44:17 AM by Dr. Pritchett
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To: Lorianne

These boys need a church.

4 posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:44:33 AM by RingerSIX (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccine that they offer down at our Church.)
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quote:

Actually that is about the only thing ever taught them good behavior

Even if brought by missionaries and plantation owners

The Lord does indeed work in mysterious ways

13 posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 8:59:03 AM by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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153 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:08:34am

Woosh.

154 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:10:10am

Cough, cough, cough.

155 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:10:25am

What cognitive dissonance?


156 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:11:20am

I have to stop watching the DERP list. Help me please.

157 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:13:08am

re: #154 Gus

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Cough, cough, cough.

Woosh again.

158 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:15:22am

re: #143 sattv4u2

Nope. Non of the racists/ bigots/ prejudice people I've come across in my life have ever lynched, shot or bombed anyone/thing either!

Hitler never personally shot or gassed a Jew.

159 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:17:58am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

I have to stop watching the DERP list. Help me please.

I don't think humanity works like Schrödinger's box -- we're in a constant and accelerating state of DERP whether you're observing it or not.

160 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:18:07am

Right. Islamophobia couldn't possibly have anything to do with this. "I've run into some haters before in my life but none of them actually shove people onto an oncoming subway." Father Coughlin never shoved anyone in front of a subway either.

161 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:20:14am

re: #157 Gus

Cough, cough, cough.

Woosh again.

I think you should consider seeing a pneumologist.

162 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:20:37am
163 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:21:01am

How soon before we realize that hate speech is somewhat equivalent to shouting 'Fire!' in a very large crowded theater? It's tricky to deal with and very scary to consider the consequences of that conclusion. But it seems people still think Geller and Fischer spouting their hate do so in a vacuum where there are no consequences.

164 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:21:58am

re: #136 William Barnett-Lewis

Haven't you heard? The fix is in and the Packers are to lay down so Adrian Peterson can get his record... /// Don't know which will do what though I think of the four only the Bears won't one and out.

The great thing about the Packers is that how they are owned makes them uniquely impervious to such 'fixes'. Though I seldom root for them, I've also respected them as good sports (especially since Rogers replaced Farve) and strong competitors. And they have something to play for today, so I think they'll win. But Peterson is fast and dynamic, and since he's gotten better at holding on to the ball he's truly reached his full potential.

165 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:23:17am
re: #161 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I think you should consider seeing a pneumologist.

Yep. Ni-Clang! UK Olympics star being detained at the airport. Nothing to see here. Has no affect on society.

166 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:23:48am

re: #158 Kronocide

Hitler never personally shot or gassed a Jew.

And we have our Godwin for the thread!

;)

167 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:25:31am
168 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:26:43am

re: #165 Gus

Yep. Ni-Clang UK Olympics here being detained at the airport. Nothing to see here. Has no affect on society.

Huh?

169 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:27:17am

re: #165 Gus

Yep. Ni-Clang! UK Olympics star being detained at the airport. Nothing to see here. Has no affect on society.

He's obviously the racist because shut up that's why.

170 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:27:45am

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Huh?

Institutionalized bigotry. You probably won't see it.

171 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:28:19am
172 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:32:39am

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

And we have our Godwin for the thread!

;)

My point was appropriate Godwin or not. Just consider at another time or place somebody like Fischer or Geller as the leader of a country.

They'll never pull a trigger or press a button but they'll make incendiary speeches justifying the pulling of many triggers and many buttons. They're doing it now, daily.

173 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:32:42am

Fox News’ war on Muslims

Nope. Still nothing.

174 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:34:24am

re: #172 Kronocide

My point was appropriate Godwin or not. Just consider at another time or place somebody like Fischer or Geller as the leader of a country.

They'll never pull a trigger or press a button but they'll make incendiary speeches justifying the pulling of many triggers and many buttons. They're doing it now, daily.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Your post was a proof of Godwin's Law, but not a violation of same as it was appropriate to its context.

175 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:36:07am

Terry Jones.

176 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:36:09am

re: #171 Gus

Lowe's defends pulling ads from Muslim TV show

Nope. Nothing here.

Read the comments: lots of (cough cough) American Exceptionalism.

Nope, nothing to see there either.

177 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:38:05am

Frank Gaffney
Rep. Peter King's Muslim 'Radicalization' Hearings
Fox News
24
"Obama is a Muslim!"
"Innocence of Muslims"
Koran burning.
Anti-Mosque movements.
Fire bombings.
"Terror babies."

Nope. Nothing.

178 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:38:50am

re: #176 Kronocide

Read the comments: lots of (cough cough) American Exceptionalism.

Nope, nothing to see there either.

Clearly this is just another anomaly and there are no outside influences at play here.

//

179 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:38:56am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

I'm not disagreeing with you. Your post was a proof of Godwin's Law, but not a violation of same as it was appropriate to its context.

I think it technically was a Godwin. But using her rationale, Geller Godwins herself daily in her zeal attacking Muslims: she causes Muslims to want to fly planes into buildings and commit terrorism because of her hate.

180 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:39:14am

re: #177 Gus

Frank Gaffney
Rep. Peter King's Muslim 'Radicalization' Hearings
Fox News
24
"Obama is a Muslim!"
"Innocence of Muslims"
Koran burning.
Anti-Mosque movements.
Fire bombings.
"Terror babies."

Nope. Nothing.

Anti-Sharia legislation

nothing at all...

181 BongCrodny  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:40:02am

re: #116 Sol Berdinowitz

Tell me Jean-Paul, how was your date with Yvette?

-Pfui. She was a lay miserable!

Booooo!

182 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:41:09am

re: #180 Sol Berdinowitz

Anti-Sharia legislation

nothing at all...

Results for muslim tcot

183 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:42:47am

re: #178 Gus

Clearly this is just another anomaly and there are no outside influences at play here.

//

Hey, we're all racists here because we cry racism when there's not racism but we're the real racists so there are racists but it's the people crying racism not the real racists who aren't not racist just race realists.

Crouching Tiger Wingnut Logic Fu.

184 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:42:54am

The NRA anti-Jihad movement is the real victim here.

//

185 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:44:02am

re: #183 Kronocide

Hey, we're all racists here because we cry racism when there's not racism but we're the real racists so there are racists but it's the people crying racism not the real racists who aren't not racist just race realists.

Crouching Tiger Wingnut Logic Fu.

Big Mexican women are driving Muslim terrorists across the corntry!

186 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:45:21am

"Race Realist"

Someone who recognizes the ultimate superiority of his/her own race.

187 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:45:30am

So yeah. She's just crazy.

//

188 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:48:02am

re: #185 Gus

Big Mexican women are driving Muslim terrorists across the corntry!

But another Latino woman just pushed a man she thought was Muslim in front of a train. so the logical conclusion is that Latinas are not monolithic, instead that they show the normal range of human differences.

[hard-wired wingnut brain explodes]

189 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:48:13am

re: #186 Sol Berdinowitz

"Race Realist"

Someone who recognizes the ultimate superiority of his/her own race.

My favorite...

Racial realism

Racial realism or race realism (of late pushed on the euphemism treadmill to human biodiversity, sometimes abbreviated HBD) is a pathetically transparent attempt by bigots to rebrand racialist and racist ideologies. The term is commonly used by David Duke, Jared Taylor, and sundry other white supremacists, which should be a big clue...

190 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:50:40am

re: #186 Sol Berdinowitz

"Race Realist"

Someone who recognizes the ultimate superiority of his/her own race.

It's highbrow elitist racism. Too refined to burn crosses or hold signs on street corners. But still accepting that their race is somehow superior to others.

191 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:52:13am

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

But another Latino woman just pushed a man she thought was Muslim in front of a train. so the logical conclusion is that Latinas are not monolithic, instead that they show the normal range of human differences.

[hard-wired wingnut brain explodes]

Pretty much. I don't think her race matters at all. Anyone that thinks Latino people are immune from bigotry, racism and hatred has been ignoring Latin American history. That and General Francisco Franco.

192 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:52:49am

re: #190 Kronocide

It's highbrow elitist racism. Too refined to burn crosses or hold signs on street corners. But still accepting that their race is somehow superior to others.

It accepts the "fact" that certain races should not mix...separate but "equal".

/

193 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:56:48am

re: #192 Sol Berdinowitz

It accepts the "fact" that certain races should not mix...separate but "equal".

/

Science!

//

194 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:57:52am

re: #192 Sol Berdinowitz

It accepts the "fact" that certain races should not mix...separate but "equal".

/

Major irony. Race realism has the patina of intellectual underpinnings founded on sciency structures. But the language still has a rudimentary implorement: 'Lets get real.'

Next we'll have homopragmatists.

195 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 8:59:24am
196 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:00:55am

re: #195 Gus

As if saying it makes it so. Oy Vey.

197 lawhawk  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:01:58am

re: #196 PhillyPretzel

Repeat something enough times, add ominous music, and boom. It's a GOP hit (or at least as close to a hit that the GOP can come up with) with its faithful.

198 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:02:43am

re: #197 lawhawk

Yes, I know. :(

199 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:02:53am

re: #195 Gus

Drudge Report right now:

OBAMA TO GO FOR GUNS BICYCLES IN 2013
'THERE WILL BE RESISTANCE'

Help me out Matt!

200 lawhawk  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:03:03am
201 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:04:18am

re: #199 wrenchwench

lol

202 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:17:33am

Brr. The winds are blowing around in Philly and it feels cold even though it is above freezing. [Link: www.wunderground.com...]

203 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:21:05am

re: #196 PhillyPretzel

As if saying it makes it so. Oy Vey.

Yeah. Who cares about the actual legislative process or even having any idea about what Obama proposes. He's coming for yer gunz and will employ tyrannical methods to attain these goals!!11ty

204 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:22:18am

Subway Pusher Erika Menendez 'Cackled' During Court Appearance

The New York Daily News reports that Menendez "broke into a maniacal fit of laughter" and "started cackling" when prosecutors formally charged her with second-degree murder as a hate crime based on her Saturday confession to police that she shoved Sen "because I hate Hindus and Muslims." "Tell your client this is not funny," Judge Gia Morris advised Menendez's attorney. Prosecutors also informed the court that Menendez has shown no remorse for the crime since she was arrested on Saturday, and that she apparently "even bragged about smoking pot and having sex with 'her man in Brooklyn' after the murderous deed."

205 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:22:44am
The court has ordered a psychological evaluation of Menendez, whose cousin described her as "bipolar" when contacted by the New York Post.
206 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:24:34am

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Subway Pusher Erika Menendez 'Cackled' During Court Appearance

Yep. Breivik was pretty whacked too during his court appearance. I guess that means that Spencer, Geller, and Fjordman weren't contributing influences.

//

207 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:24:55am

re: #205 Killgore Trout

Bipolar disorder is no excuse for what she did. She deserves to get 25-to-life for her misdeed.

208 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:25:25am
I’m not going to raise the debt ceiling unless we get serious about keeping the country from becoming Greece, saving Social Security and Medicare [sic]. So here’s what i would like: meaningful entitlement reform — not to turn Social Security into private accounts, not to take a voucher approach to Medicare — but, adjust the age for Social Security, CPI changes and means testing and look beyond the ten-year window. I cannot in good conscience raise the debt ceiling without addressing the long term debt problems of this country and I will not.
-Lindsay Graham

The word of the day is;
Extortion.

209 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:26:03am

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Bipolar disorder is no excuse for what she did. She deserves to get 25-to-life for her misdeed.

Let the courts decide, but it does seem clear that she needs to be put away in prison or in a closed asylum for many years...

210 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:27:07am

re: #2 William Barnett-Lewis

Testing posting after upgrading Xubuntu from 12.04 to 12.10.

Everything seems good...

Well, wasn't that fun? The OS just lost left clicks on the mouse till I'd force-ably rebooted twice and then found a thing to click inside, of all things, Chrome to reset the input device. That was an annoying little bug.

211 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:30:21am

re: #206 Gus

Yep. Breivik was pretty whacked too during his court appearance. I guess that means that Spencer, Geller, and Fjordman weren't contributing influences.

//

Video games.

212 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:30:55am

re: #206 Gus

Yep. Breivik was pretty whacked too during his court appearance. I guess that means that Spencer, Geller, and Fjordman weren't contributing influences.

//

I think the key difference is that there's key evidence in Brevik's manifesto of his influences. No evidence yet in this case. Brevik surely had mental problems but he was still sane enough to hide his plan, process information, make a plan. His was a political act. This chick seems pretty far gone, we'll have to wait and see but so far it looks like her mental condition is the prevailing factor.

213 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:33:38am

Doing psych evals over the internet FTW!

214 Tim Nadeau  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:39:25am

my God, how you brought back memories! As a kid my father, who worked at City Hall, would take me to Phillipe's for lunch. Then after I moved to Missouri, and would come back for a visit, I would bring my wife to Phillipe's for lunch, she fell in live with the place. Thank you.

215 EmmaAnne  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:40:34am

re: #200 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

I was kind of surprised by the AIDS map. In case anyone had doubts that it has jumped from the gay population to everyone else... San Francisco isn't even in the top three cities (though New York is).

Everything else is worst in the South, I conjecture because young people are so carefully protected from sex education and condoms.

216 jaunte  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 10:02:15am
217 jaunte  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 10:05:32am
“We’re hearing a lot about the country plunging back into recession and millions of people being thrown out of work,” said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky). “What we’re not hearing much about is how our Sunday is being completely and irrevocably ruined.”
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]
218 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 10:07:51am

re: #217 jaunte

Seriously? WTF.

219 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 10:08:40am

Borowitz.

220 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 10:14:18am

BBL

221 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 10:16:30am

re: #218 Gus

Seriously? WTF.

Fake but accurate.


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