The Next Big GOP Tantrum: The Debt Ceiling

One mild jab from Obama sends the GOP into hours of furious whining about “insults”

After the President’s remarks on the fiscal cliff this afternoon, I switched on C-SPAN to watch one Republican after another take the Senate podium to complain bitterly about the President’s “insults.” John McCain was especially outraged about Obama’s “jokes.” Here’s the video; apparently all of this whining about their precious feewings was prompted by one line:

My preference would have been to solve all these problems in the context of a larger agreement, a bigger deal, a grand bargain, whatever you want to call it, that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. That doesn’t just deal with the taxes, but deals with the spending in a balanced way so that we can put all this behind us and just focus on growing the economy.

But with this Congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. (Laughter.)

OUTRAGE! HOW DARE HE!

For all the whining and kooky crybaby antics from McCain and Lindsey Graham today, it’s still not clear whether we actually have a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. But Senate Republicans made one thing very clear today: their next caper will involve holding America hostage over the debt ceiling.

Two centrist Republican senators on Friday introduced a plan to reduce the growth of entitlement spending by nearly $1 trillion in exchange for an equal increase to the federal debt ceiling.

Sens. Bob Corker (Tenn.) and Lamar Alexander (Tenn.) called on Congress to focus on entitlement reform after it addresses the impending expiration of the Bush-era tax rates. They identified the expiration of the federal debt ceiling as an opportunity to address the costly growth of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

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1 jaunte  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:45:54pm
2 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:47:25pm

John McCain is outraged at the president's joke? This coming from a man who once joked that the president's daughter was the product of her mother and a woman attorney general not known for her attractiveness. Really? Someone tell John McCain to shut the hell up and stop whining. Obama could have been a lot more harsh with Congress. If criticizing hurts McCain's little feelings, he's obviously not cut out to be a US Senator any more.

3 Lidane  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:47:50pm
4 Tigger2  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:48:34pm

The Republican Party just needs to go away and let us get busy and get the country running again, I see them being no help at all.

5 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:49:06pm

Would they prefer if we resurrected Harry Truman? I'm sure Truman would have some choice words for this Congress. These guys are unbelievable. They vote to give themselves raises but they can't handle a little chiding fo the president? Get over yourselves.

6 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:50:10pm

re: #4 Tigger2

The Republican Party just needs to go away and let us get along and get the country running again, I see them being no help at all.

The problem is they won't go away because enough people blindly support them no matter what crap they do. Team politics is the worst thing that can happen in a Democracy. Political parties are inevitable and part of the process.

7 Bulworth  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:50:11pm
Two centrist Republican senators on Friday introduced a plan to reduce the growth of entitlement spending by nearly $1 trillion in exchange for an equal increase to the federal debt ceiling. Sens. Bob Corker (Tenn.) and Lamar Alexander (Tenn.).....

Just shoot me..

8 Lidane  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:51:35pm

re: #7 Bulworth

If Corker and Alexander are considered centrist, we're fucked.

9 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:52:16pm

re: #7 Bulworth

Just shoot me..

"reduce the growth of entitlement spending . . .for an equal increase in the federal debt ceiling."

WHAT exactly does that mean?

Can someone translate that into a mathmatical equation for me. Just use even numbers for example.

10 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:52:37pm

re: #7 Bulworth

Just shoot me..

Those two are centrist? Oh baby we've fallen a long way. Really, this is the problem with the Republican party. A moderate Republican is much more extreme than a moderate Democrat is.

11 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:52:40pm

I thought Republicans were supposed to be the grown up party that didn't have any feelings to hurt...

//

12 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:53:01pm
13 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:53:07pm

re: #11 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I thought Republicans were supposed to be the grown up party that didn't have any feelings to hurt...

//

They were until you said that and hurt their feelings. Look what you did :).

14 Henchman 25  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:53:09pm

re: #9 Holidays are Family Fun Time

x = Fuck you, I've Got Mine.

15 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:53:57pm

Of course, Reagan actually insulting his opponents was just part of his "great wit." Obama jabs Congress and Republicans act like a bunch of children. That party really needs to go the way of the Whigs and Federalists.

16 Bulworth  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:54:01pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I guess PBO struck a nerve....

17 dragonath  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:54:23pm

Obama, the ruthless usurper (who is quite possibly the Antichrist) has added to his devious legacy the heinous deed of ...insulting the House Republicans.

FEAR HIM

18 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:54:34pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

They were until you said that and hurt their feelings. Look what you did :).

awww poor babies.

19 Bulworth  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:54:54pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

And it's a problem with our media...

20 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:55:23pm

re: #14 Henchman 25

x = Fuck you, I've Got Mine.

basically!

21 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:55:28pm

re: #19 Bulworth

And it's a problem with our media...

That too. Our media is a joke.

22 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:56:09pm

Nothing but theatrics for the benefit of the base, squealing like stuck pigs so that the coming "concessions" go over a little easier. So that come the primaries in '14, they can assert to the base that they tried so hard against that mean ol' Obama to put America "on an even keel," but he did nothing but refuse to work with them and insult them. And the best thing the base can do is send them back to DC to carry on the fight.

23 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:56:24pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Agreed. Watching David Gregory get all butt hurt over Obama pointing a finger at the media and their bs reporting was awesome yesterday.

24 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:57:07pm


25 Bulworth  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:57:18pm

Well, I'm sure the public will be impressed with how petulant Republicans in Congress didn't want a more comprehensive deal. /

26 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:59:04pm

re: #24 Gus

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Horseshit. Obama's giving away a quarter of the revenue that could be raised in exchange for...what? So far, it looks like just to kick the can til next month, when the GOP uses the debt limit to stage another revolt.

27 erik_t  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:59:25pm

This sort of petty bitching frankly should not be granted a television platform in the first place. Thank god for the GOP the four? five? 24-hour news networks in this country need something to stoke viewership and sell advertising.

28 MikeTheModerateDemocrat  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 12:59:53pm

Continuing on Bullworth's point on Corker and Alexander.....

Reminds me how my wife had to look it up (she didn't believe me) when I told her Bob Dole, once upon a time, was nominated Vice President to placate the (then) right wing of the party.

29 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:00:30pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Horseshit. Obama's giving away a quarter of the revenue that could be raised in exchange for...what? So far, it looks like just to kick the can til next month, when the GOP uses the debt limit to stage another revolt.

Compromise requires compromising. I'll add another Tweet:

30 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:00:31pm
31 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:01:36pm

re: #29 Gus

Compromise requires compromising. I'll add another Tweet:

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There's compromise, and then there's giving away the store. If the point of all these theatrics is to decrease the deficit, then creating a "deal" that does nothing for deficit reduction is pointless.

32 dragonfire1981  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:01:36pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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So that's it then. We're barreling over the cliff no matter what?

33 dragonath  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:01:41pm

McConnell has a sadz

34 iceweasel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:01:43pm

Happy New Year LGF! It's nine pm here but Jimmah and I are celebrating a bit early. Sorry for going offtopic, but I wanted to wish you all a happy new year before I lose control of my faculties!

35 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:02:38pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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Well, the stock marketing should be interesting to watch tomorrow.

36 Lidane  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:02:43pm

re: #32 dragonfire1981

So that's it then. We're barreling over the cliff no matter what?

That was inevitable.

Now comes the song and dance of Obama's budget being brought to an up-or-down vote where it will pass the Senate on party lines and fail in the House for the same reason. And nothing will get done. Again.

37 Bulworth  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:02:59pm

re: #29 Gus

Well, it depends what is obtained in exchange for compromising on the $250k marginal tax rate.

38 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:03:17pm

Really the party that sees Rush Limbaugh as a serious voice for their ideology is complaining about tone? Still can't get over that.

39 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:03:47pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

There's compromise, and then there's giving away the store. If the point of all these theatrics is to decrease the deficit, then creating a "deal" that does nothing for deficit reduction is pointless.

No one is giving away the store. PBO said that this is the first of many steps which will come after this vote which apparently will be held off in the House. Sorry, but I'm with Bob Cesca and Bill Scher.

40 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:04:38pm

[firebagger]Outrageous outrage! Obama haz done caved!!11ty[/firebagger]

41 dragonath  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:04:43pm

Also, I'm pretty sure at this point McCain gets outraged at objects in the sky too.

42 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:04:56pm

re: #28 MikeTheModerateDemocrat

Continuing on Bullworth's point on Corker and Alexander.....

Reminds me how my wife had to look it up (she didn't believe me) when I told her Bob Dole, once upon a time, was nominated Vice President to placate the (then) right wing of the party.

Goldwater apparently told Dole at the 1996 RNC how strange it was for him and Dole- the new liberals of the GOP.

43 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:06:03pm

This is a dog-and-pony show and perhaps an excellent avenue for someone to manipulate the markets.

I'm going to ignore it. A month from now, they will have staged another highly dramatic "OMG, it's the end of the world as we know it" political event.

44 Lidane  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:06:09pm

re: #41 dragonath

Also, I'm pretty sure at this point McCain gets outraged at objects in the sky too.

I thought that was Clint Eastwood. Or does he only get outraged at furniture?

45 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:06:17pm

re: #39 Gus

No one is giving away the store. PBO said that this is the first of many steps which will come after this vote which apparently will be held off in the House. Sorry, but I'm with Bob Cesca and Bill Scher.

Yeah, and this cliff was supposed to be the motivation for a Grand Deal that would lead to deficit reduction. No, sorry, not buying it anymore. The man can promise whatever he likes, but so long as the GOP does nothing but stamp its collective feet and whine, then there are no "many steps."

46 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:06:44pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Really the party that sees Rush Limbaugh as a serious voice for their ideology is complaining about tone? Still can't get over that.

Yeah, PBO should have just called them all sluts and moochers living off the government dole.

//

47 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:07:25pm

The whole right wing noise machine is now painting this as Obama intentionally scuttling the budget -- this because the GOP members of the house are too weak minded and weak-spined to put together a budget that can pass, which is their prime duty.

48 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:07:47pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

Yeah, and this cliff was supposed to be the motivation for a Grand Deal that would lead to deficit reduction. No, sorry, not buying it anymore. The man can promise whatever he likes, but so long as the GOP does nothing but stamp its collective feet and whine, then there are no "many steps."

Then you're partially agreeing with Corker.

49 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:09:21pm

re: #48 Gus

Then you're partially agreeing with Corker.

Perhaps I am at this point. That I'd rather there be no deal than a bad deal, and giving up tax revenue for temporary extensions is a bad deal.

50 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:09:25pm

re: #46 Eventual Carrion

Yeah, PBO should have just called them all sluts and moochers living off the government dole.

//

And each of those sluts and moochers, in this country, has the right to own a firearm. Personally, I'd rather take care of people for reason of compassion and common sense.

IN reality, it's a good idea to do so as we don't want masses of hungry pissed-off people with guns roaming the country.

I love how the Rush Limbaugh's of the world can't see that.

51 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:10:16pm

How much revenue would be reaped from the 1% if we got rid of the SS tax caps?

52 Cap'n Magic  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:10:28pm

If the horribly-named so-called "Fiscal Cliff" happens, then it proves the founding fathers's right about checks and balances. It also makes the citizens who voted for essentially the same makeup of the House and Senate the ones who ultimately are accountable for the fallout.

53 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:11:04pm

re: #46 Eventual Carrion

Yeah, PBO should have just called them all sluts and moochers living off the government dole.

//

Heh yep.

54 MikeTheModerateDemocrat  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:14:40pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Of course, Reagan actually insulting his opponents was just part of his "great wit." Obama jabs Congress and Republicans act like a bunch of children. That party really needs to go the way of the Whigs and Federalists.

When Reagan did it, he was being a swashbuckling cowboy. When Obama does it, he's just being "uppity." Something must be coloring McCain and Graham's reactions. Speaking of McCain, can the media abandon it's revisionist history it's been trying to spin over the last decade that he's some kind of moderate statesman? He was a nasty, hateful son of a bitch when he rose to prominence, and still is now.

55 Bulworth  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:17:42pm

I've read some more on what the tentative deal would include, apparently unemployment benefit extensions, small increase in estate tax, etc. And that nothing in the "deal" would preclude further tax reform when demands are made about raising the debt ceiling.

However, it remains far from certain that Boehner's House teabags will agree to even this.

56 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:20:14pm

re: #54 MikeTheModerateDemocrat

When Reagan did it, he was being a swashbuckling cowboy. When Obama does it, he's just being "uppity." Something must be coloring McCain and Graham's reactions. Speaking of McCain, can the media abandon it's revisionist history it's been trying to spin over the last decade that he's some kind of moderate statesman? He was a nasty, hateful son of a bitch when he rose to prominence, and still is now.

Graham's afraid of being primaried. He should just man up and be himself because he's going to be primaried regardless of any grand standing. And I agree with every word you said about McCain. He's not an "elder statesman", he's a bitter nasty old man posing as one.

57 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:40:39pm

As much as I'd like to see McCain retire, I can't forget that Palin moved into his district. His heir apparent, apparently.

I really don't want to see her in Congress and on my tv anymore. I don't want to hear her name and especially her voice anymore.

58 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:10:18pm

Edit: Oops, wrong thread...pls ignore.

59 sunnygal  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 6:23:08pm

But with this Congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time.

And the Republicans say they were insulted? I don't see anything in Obama's remarks calling out Republicans. But, I guess the shoe fits so they have to wear it.


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