Breitbrat Mike Flynn: Obama Scuttled the Cliff Deal With Mockery

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Over in Wingnut World, Breitbrat Mike Flynn takes his typical measured impartial stance and shouts: OBAMA SCUTTLES ‘FISCAL CLIFF’ DEAL?

Flynn is very upset and concerned about Obama’s tone in his remarks earlier today. He senses mockery.

This afternoon, in one of the more bizarre appearances of his presidency, Barack Obama gave a televised address to a room full of supporters on the “fiscal cliff.” He broke no news, but mocked Congress, and hinted at future tax hikes. Observers worried that he may have deliberately scuttled a potential agreement.

Even though he has come off his last campaign for political office, President Obama acted like a candidate on the campaign trail—one prepared to use whatever political capital he had accumulated to take shots at the opposition in Congress at the very moment leaders from both sides are trying to work together.

Less a President, Obama behaved more like an ESPN talking-head making fun of RG III’s knee injury.

Obama’s address, which you can watch below, was held basically to announce that some other people are working on solving the “fiscal cliff” crisis. They are close, Obama reported, but they aren’t quite there yet. He then proceeded to make some jokes about Congress, to warm applause from his selected audience. Smug doesn’t come close to capturing the true nature of his tone.

Smug mockery is the worst. And warm applause? Outrage!

You can probably already predict how the Breitbart commentariat is going to respond to this invitation to hate, and you wouldn’t be wrong: with blatant racism, threats, rants about revolution, and deranged conspiracy theories. The usual.

I hate Obama and hope nothing but bad things happen to him in the coming year.

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If we still had a shine boy at my old barber shop, he’d look like Obama.

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I wonder if the Brietbart staff still thinks me crazy for advocating the secession of my state of Texas from the failed United States of America?

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When he goes after the registered guns, the Revolution will start
Dick Act 1902
Google it for a nice Suprise .

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Extracting all the wealth of the country will not be enough money to fund these drunken spending politicians.

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But if they try it should be enough to start a new revolution.

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Barack Obama is the single greatest threat to the security of this country. People who voted for him thought that they were sticking it to evil rich people. When it is done, everyone will get soaked in taxes to pay for his spending. Does anyone any more not believe it is his goal to destroy this country?

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Except the idiots who voted for him are generally the low-information voter. They have all their needs met with entitlements, bozo phones, title VIII housing, etc. They COULD NOT CARE LESS! We who still have jobs and footing the bill for the 52% are getting hosed. I would love to see an uprising - will it? Doubtful, sadly.

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The only surprise is that no one has done this loppy eared Communist yet…….

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Maybe the next time he bows to some 3rd world dick-tater
Some will shove a ….. Up his ……

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The Dream from His Father is almost complete……screwing America!

Barry Soetoro has his Commie parents:Stanley and Barack; his white Commie grand parents; his mentor, Frank Marshall Davis……to thank…..and he is relishing in the scam he pulled on everyone.

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Obozo is the proof of the failure of affirmative action.

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Our great Affirmation Action President shows his talents yet again.

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Wonder if he will be sworn in with hand on a Bible this time.

At the do-over in Jan 2009 in the oval office, his hand was not on a Bible.
Google the event and watch it yourself.

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We are witness to the Spy unmasking himself showing his True Face that of a
Ruthlessly Sadistic Communist Monster. Sandy Hook proved beyond a shadow
of a Doubt just how far the Spy is willing to go in the Mass Murder of those White
American School Children by a directed weapon system a Mind Controlled
Killing Machine planned and targeted by the Spy’s Gestapo. This Stalinist
Show ‘Presser’ complete with the scum of the earth smiling loyal communist
stooge props to inform his american subjects just who is their absolute ruler
who controls their Fate.

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Obozo should go back home to Kenya where he belongs.

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It’s not racist, it’s true. I know because I grew up outside of south central and I know one when I see one. Obama is a user and taker, he is low trash n-word.

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the only reason this asshat is where he is is because of his skin color.

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Yes. Boy. Boy criminal.

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Barack Obama is NO President, he’s a shill, marxist-muslim out to DESTROY US!

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Someone needs to put the buffoon out of his misery.

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Dead meat

To me, that sure looks like they’re threatening the president. There are a couple of comments that were deleted, apparently for using the N-word, but the threats are allowed to remain.

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256 comments
1 erik_t  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:20:48pm

If you can't govern the country because someone hurt your fee-fees... well let's be honest, the GOP can't govern the country regardless of their fee-fees.

2 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:21:59pm

re: #1 erik_t

If you can't govern the country because someone hurt your fee-fees... well let's be honest, the GOP can't govern the country regardless of their fee-fees.

And really, it is about "fees", not about feelings.

3 jaunte  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:23:54pm
Smug doesn’t come close to capturing the true nature of his tone.

"He was not just smug, he was darkly, threateningly smug!"

4 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:24:48pm

If gods existed, I'd thank them every day that my mind isn't a cess-pit of ignorance, paranoia, hatred, and racism. I'm soooo glad I have nothing to do with that crowd anymore.

"Ruthlessly Sadistic Communist Monster"... Holy shitballs... Are these people real or are they generated by a bot somewhere?

5 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:27:55pm
6 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:30:10pm

The guys who take Rush Limbaugh as a serious voice for their ideology have no room to whine about mockery. Shut the fuck up and take the criticism without acting like a little brat.

7 makeitstop  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:30:29pm
Sandy Hook proved beyond a shadow of a Doubt just how far the Spy is willing to go in the Mass Murder of those WhiteAmerican School Children by a directed weapon system a Mind Controlled Killing Machine planned and targeted by the Spy’s Gestapo.

Holy fuck. That's top-shelf crazy, right there.

8 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:31:06pm

He was darkeningly and Muslimically and communistically smug.

9 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:31:17pm

re: #7 makeitstop

Holy fuck. That's top-shelf crazy, right there.

No kidding. Yikes dude.

10 jaunte  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:31:18pm
Except the idiots who voted for him are generally the low-information voter. They have all their needs met with entitlements, bozo phones, title VIII housing, etc. They COULD NOT CARE LESS! We who still have jobs and footing the bill for the 52% are getting hosed. I would love to see an uprising - will it? Doubtful, sadly.

Poor frustrated revolutionary, waiting for someone else to fulfill his fantasy.

11 Lidane  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:31:26pm

re: #4 Pawn of the Oppressor

"Ruthlessly Sadistic Communist Monster"... Holy shitballs... Are these people real or are they generated by a bot somewhere?

They're real. Have a gander at #tcot sometime. It's depressing and hilarious at the same time, because these people are serious.

12 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:31:57pm

It's like they think by using many adjectives, it somehow validates their point. No idiots, it makes you look like hyperbolic idiots who are using words you just discovered to look intellectual.

13 jaunte  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:32:13pm
14 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:32:21pm
I would love to see an uprising - will it? Doubtful, sadly.

You first, chief.

15 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:32:33pm

re: #10 jaunte

Poor frustrated revolutionary, waiting for someone else to fulfill his fantasy.

Planning a Revolution from the comfort of his armchair.

16 Tigger2  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:33:17pm

Except the idiots who voted for him are generally the low-information voter.

Says the person ( if he's not rich ) that votes against his best interest all the time.

17 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:33:25pm

I'd love to see them try an uprising. Stupid wannabe revolutionaries who think they're somehow on par with real revolutionaries who actually fight for legitimate reasons. Not butt hurt wingnuts who can't handle POTUS mocking Congress's incompetence.

18 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:33:44pm

Meh. In the end the American people are being played by a bunch of DC millionaires and billionaires.

19 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:33:51pm

re: #16 Tigger2

Except the idiots who voted for him are generally the low-information voter.

Says the person ( if he's not rich ) that votes against his best interest all the time.

But lower taxes for the wealthy always works!

20 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:34:42pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Planning a Revolution from the comfort of his armchair.

101st Chairborne Division

21 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:35:10pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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As well they should.

22 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:36:45pm

re: #20 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

101st Chairborne Division

The Screeching Eagles.

23 Interesting Times  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:36:57pm
24 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:38:38pm

I really don't get it. Their nominee calls nearly half the nation whiners and complainers. Their previous nominee's tough economic guy and a former Senator no less calls those upset about the tough economic conditions at the time whiners. POTUS calls out the majority party in the House for their inaction. And oh my god, he's being nasty. Look at yourselves Republicans for once. Goddamn I know it's hard but look at yourselves and stop blaming Obama and liberals for everything that goes wrong.

25 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:39:15pm
26 Tigger2  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:39:21pm

re: #20 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

101st Chairborne Division

They will be supporting the 102nd Armored Hoveround Division.

27 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:40:19pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

The Screeching Eagles.

The Fighting Hellmice.

28 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:40:52pm

re: #25 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

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29 Lidane  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:41:00pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Look at yourselves Republicans for once. Goddamn I know it's hard but look at yourselves and stop blaming Obama and liberals for everything that goes wrong.

You're asking for self-awareness from people who think Fox News is a legitimate news source and that Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage are serious thinkers.

30 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:41:13pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

The Fighting Hellmice.

The Big Red Whine.

31 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:41:25pm

re: #29 Lidane

You're asking for self-awareness from people who think Fox News is a legitimate news source and that Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage are serious thinkers.

Touche.

32 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:41:35pm

re: #23 Interesting Times

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Okay, that caused me to succumb to a nearly overwhelming case of cognitive dissonance in which I'm LMAO while my skin is crawling.

33 jaunte  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:42:15pm

Congress created the "cliff" to force their own hands, but it's the President's fault they couldn't agree.

In a tremendous irony, Republican requests for lower tax rates, a high estate tax threshold, and a permanent AMT fix — combined with Democratic requests to delay the sequester, include a “doc fix” for Medicare physicians, and extend emergency unemployment benefits — have left the parties negotiating toward a plan that would result in no net deficit reduction over 10 years on a current-policy baseline, according to Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin.

Congress created the fiscal cliff — including the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, the sequester, and other measures — intentionally, and members have insisted for months that it would force both parties to agree to a less austere, bipartisan deficit reduction plan.
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Their approval rating has to be somewhere below 7% at this point.

34 jaunte  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:44:11pm
35 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:44:39pm

re: #33 jaunte

Congress created the "cliff" to force their own hands, but it's the President's fault they couldn't agree.

Their approval rating has to be somewhere below 7% at this point.

Keep in mind that congressional approval ratings includes Democrats. I'm not happy with the Republicans but the Democrats have their hands in this mess too. I remain an independent.

36 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:45:47pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

The Screeching Eagles.

The Whimpering Beagles.

37 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:46:19pm

re: #7 makeitstop

Holy fuck. That's top-shelf crazy, right there.

That's beyond insane. That's entering Alex Jones territory.

38 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:46:22pm

re: #34 jaunte

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And why wouldn't they? Obama already gave in once, he'll give in again.

39 jaunte  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:46:57pm

re: #35 Gus

That's true, but I also take into account the Mourdock/Teaparty definition of a compromise

40 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:47:26pm

re: #34 jaunte

The POTUS has already said he is not going to let the GOP take the debt ceiling hostage again.

I wonder if he will declare the ceiling unconstitutional like some were urging last year?

41 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:48:15pm

re: #40 celticdragon

The POTUS has already said he is not going to let the GOP take the debt ceiling hostage again.

I wonder if he will declare the ceiling unconstitutional like some were urging last year?

White House already ruled that out. So it's either knuckling under or default.

42 jaunte  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:48:22pm

re: #40 celticdragon

That would be interesting; a lot of heart attacks and exploding heads.

43 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:48:48pm

re: #33 jaunte

Congress created the "cliff" to force their own hands, but it's the President's fault they couldn't agree.

Their approval rating has to be somewhere below 7% at this point.

I'm honestly unable to understand how it could be that high. It's baffling.

Unless!

From the Cleveland Clinic:

About 5 percent to 8 percent of all people over the age of 65 have some form of dementia, and this number doubles every five years above that age.

I'd say we've got this mystery solved!

Image: mystery-machine3.jpg

44 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:48:54pm

re: #40 celticdragon

The POTUS has already said he is not going to let the GOP take the debt ceiling hostage again.

I wonder if he will declare the ceiling unconstitutional like some were urging last year?

RWNJ heads would explode from coast to coast. Much screeching and flying spittle would no doubt ensue.

45 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:50:10pm

To me, that sure looks like they’re threatening the president. There are a couple of comments that were deleted, apparently for using the N-word, but the threats are allowed to remain

Hopefully IP addresses/ e-mail addys/ screen names are being investigated

46 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:50:13pm

Who does he think he is? The President with a clear mandate over the United States? Can we say 'uppity' or would that be raaaaacist?"

47 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:51:15pm

re: #7 makeitstop

Holy fuck. That's top-shelf crazy, right there.

These people are actually terrifying!

48 Tigger2  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:51:21pm

re: #44 Dr Lizardo

RWNJ heads would explode from coast to coast. Much screeching and flying spittle would no doubt ensue.

And to think I complain about shoveling snow, That would even be worse brains blood and gore from all the exploded heads.

49 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:53:09pm

re: #39 jaunte

That's true, but I also take into account the Mourdock/Teaparty definition of a compromise

We are a nation of special interests. No one wants to see their particular special interests cut. We also have those that want to slash and burn everything. One side wants to spend more while the other wants to spend nothing. Neither side really wants to compromise. I'm pretty sure that today's Emoprogs would have hated Tip O'Neil.

50 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:54:02pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

White House already ruled that out. So it's either knuckling under or default.

I hope you are wrong on that. The teabaggers in congress are going to demand the complete dismantling of the health care act as a prelude, and some are talking about extending the debt ceiling on a month to month basis.

They are talking about actually crashing the government. At some point, the Constitutionality of this would have to be questioned. The Constitution was never meant to be a weapon to actually dismantle the government and produce anarchy.

51 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:54:35pm
52 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:56:27pm

re: #51 Gus

The House to reconvene commiserate over their hangovers at noon on Tuesday...

53 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:56:52pm

re: #47 Stanghazi

Hi Stanley Sea!

Hope you're having a great new year. Jimmah and I are drinking and I just stole the keyboard from him.

54 jaunte  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:57:14pm
55 A Mom Anon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:57:15pm

The local news in Atlanta is reporting that the wife of Congressman John Lewis, Lillian Lewis died this morning at Emory Hospital.

56 Cinnabar  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:57:52pm

re: #25 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

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I want to know what Limbaugh is doing. On second thought, maybe I don't.

57 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:58:15pm

re: #48 Tigger2

And to think I complain about shoveling snow, That would even be worse brains blood and gore from all the exploded heads.

You ever watch "The Walking Dead"? Just proves you can get used to anything if you have to.

(With the possible exception of the appalling stupidity of Andrea.)

58 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:58:40pm

Oh yeah. You're going to get an AWB from the next congress.
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59 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:59:06pm

re: #49 Gus

today's Emoprogs would have hated Tip O'Neil.

HATED him? Hell, they would be storming the capital claiming he was Reagans puppet

60 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:59:45pm

re: #53 Jimmah

Actually it was me, Jimmah, who typed that. I was just fucking with you.

Or was I?...

;-)

61 dragonath  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:59:57pm

re: #25 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

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62 Lidane  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:00:47pm
63 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:00:53pm

re: #50 celticdragon

They are talking about actually crashing the government. At some point, the Constitutionality of this would have to be questioned. The Constitution was never meant to be a weapon to actually dismantle the government and produce anarchy.

When my tinfoil isn't adjusted properly, I begin to suspect that the goal of the Tea Party, whether individual Tea Partiers know it or not, is precisely to dismantle the US government. And I'm not saying it's aliens treason, but it's aliens treason.

64 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:00:55pm

re: #53 Jimmah

Hi Stanley Sea!

Hope you're having a great new year. Jimmah and I are drinking and I just stole the keyboard from him.

Icy baby! Happy NY to y'all

65 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:01:31pm

re: #50 celticdragon

I hope you are wrong on that. The teabaggers in congress are going to demand the complete dismantling of the health care act as a prelude, and some are talking about extending the debt ceiling on a month to month basis.

They are talking about actually crashing the government. At some point, the Constitutionality of this would have to be questioned. The Constitution was never meant to be a weapon to actually dismantle the government and produce anarchy.

White House's logic is pretty sound, that invoking the "constitutional solution" would create a crisis in itself because they'd be issuing bonds that Congress would declare are illegal and unconstitutional, which means they'd be treated like plague rats. And if any were sold, Congress would challenge the White House's authority in the courts and turn the whole thing from a quest into a crusade.

66 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:01:46pm

re: #48 Tigger2

And to think I complain about shoveling snow, That would even be worse brains blood and gore from all the exploded heads.

Heh.

Well it's officially New Years here in the Czech Republic. Happy New Years, lizardom. May the deity of your choice smile upon you in the new year. The Roman Candle artillery duel between my apartment block and the one across the way has officially begun. It's like something of Judge Dredd, the block wars. LOL.

67 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:01:56pm

re: #60 Jimmah

Ice told me to type that last comment. The original comment to Stanley Sea was actually from ice.

68 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:03:50pm

re: #63 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

It is their goal. They take the whole "make gov't small enough to drown in a bathtub" thing seriously. They want little to no gov't period.

69 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:03:56pm

re: #59 sattv4u2

today's Emoprogs would have hated Tip O'Neil.

HATED him? Hell, they would be storming the capital claiming he was Reagans puppet

For sure. And what are they getting for all this foot stomping? Nothing. It's basically a minority (not race) caucus in the House and Senate. In the House they've barely got the votes even within the Democratic side. It's weird seeing people complain about Republicans not wanting to compromise yet at the same time I'm seeing Democrats that don't want to compromise. It's pretty damn simple. If the Democrats want 250,000 and the Republicans wanted 1,000,000 you get 1,000,000 + 250,000 = 1,250,000/2 = $625,000. Instead it was set down to 450,000 which puts it in line more with the Dem side. Even then they were complaining.

70 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:05:01pm

re: #55 A Mom Anon

The local news in Atlanta is reporting that the wife of Congressman John Lewis, Lillian Lewis died this morning at Emory Hospital.

I saw a tweet about that a little while ago. RIP, Mrs. Lewis.

It's hard for me to imagine what it's like to lose a spouse after 40+ years. Coincidentally, they met at a New Year's Eve party:

Lewis met Lillian Miles at a New Year's Eve party hosted by Xernona Clayton. They married in 1968.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

71 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:05:03pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

White House's logic is pretty sound, that invoking the "constitutional solution" would create a crisis in itself because they'd be issuing bonds that Congress would declare are illegal and unconstitutional, which means they'd be treated like plague rats. And if any were sold, Congress would challenge the White House's authority in the courts and turn the whole thing from a quest into a crusade.

Then we are stuck with default and a possible impeachment (which was being planned last time according to statements from several teabagger congresscritters. The moment they precipitate the default, blame the President for violating the Constitution on the "shall not be questioned" clause and vote to impeach).

How the fuck did we come to this?

72 Mattand  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:05:19pm
73 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:05:22pm

Beer to wine, you're feeling fine - wine to beer you're in the clear...

hmm, seems inconclusive - we bet on the first option, perhaps unwisely....

74 Lidane  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:06:13pm

re: #71 celticdragon

How the fuck did we come to this?

40+ years of appealing to the bigots and mouth-breathers in this country instead of telling them to get the fuck over it and join the modern age. That's how.

75 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:06:17pm

re: #69 Gus

"Nancy Smash" can hold the votes together when she needs them. It's John of Orange who cannot control his own caucus.

76 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:06:28pm

re: #71 celticdragon

Then we are stuck with default and a possible impeachment (which was being planned last time according to statements from several teabagger congresscritters. The moment they precipitate the default, blame the President for violating the Constitution on the "shall not be questioned" clause and vote to impeach).

How the fuck did we come to this?

Dems chose 2010 to get snippy with Obama.

77 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:06:45pm

Just like when everybody always says "get rid of farm subsidies" and then one day later they're screaming "BUT MILK WILL BE 8 DOLLARS A GALLON!" That's right. The US government is subsidizing the dairy industry which allegedly keeps milk prices low. Which is it? The same thing would happen if you got rid of oil subsidies. Get rid of those and the price of gasoline would climb.

78 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:07:15pm

re: #53 Jimmah

Hi Stanley Sea!

Hope you're having a great new year. Jimmah and I are drinking and I just stole the keyboard from him.

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

Well it's officially New Years here in the Czech Republic. Happy New Years, lizardom. May the deity of your choice smile upon you in the new year. The Roman Candle artillery duel between my apartment block and the one across the way has officially begun. It's like something of Judge Dredd, the block wars. LOL.

Happy New Year to all three of you. May you have many more! ;)

79 jaunte  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:07:47pm

It's hard to have wars and a tax cut at the same time, but we did it until now.

80 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:07:54pm

re: #75 celticdragon

"Nancy Smash" can hold the votes together when she needs them. It's John of Orange who cannot control his own caucus.

Nancy had a reputation during her speakership of being an arm braker in order to pass whatever legislation she supported. Boehner apparently can't even threaten to take away his caucus' deserts for a week.

81 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:07:55pm

re: #67 Jimmah

Ice told me to type that last comment. The original comment to Stanley Sea was actually from ice.

Either way!! Miss u guys

82 freetoken  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:07:58pm

re: #71 celticdragon

How the fuck did we come to this?

Because in the last election the Democratic Party was only able to pick up a few House seats, thus reinforcing the idea in majority Republicans that they can control the agenda.

83 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:08:35pm

re: #77 Gus

Just like when everybody always says "get rid of farm subsidies" and then one day later they're screaming "BUT MILK WILL BE 8 DOLLARS A GALLON!" That's right. The US government is subsidizing the dairy industry which allegedly keeps milk prices low. Which is it? The same thing would happen if you got rid of oil subsidies. Get rid of those and the price of gasoline would climb.

Really?

So none of the oil subsidies go to corp profit and executive wages?

84 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:09:00pm

re: #77 Gus

Just like when everybody always says "get rid of farm subsidies" and then one day later they're screaming "BUT MILK WILL BE 8 DOLLARS A GALLON!" That's right. The US government is subsidizing the dairy industry which allegedly keeps milk prices low. Which is it? The same thing would happen if you got rid of oil subsidies. Get rid of those and the price of gasoline would climb.

Markets have a lot more to do with the prices then the subsidies, at least WRT oil...and some of those markets are pretty opaque.

I agree that the dairy subsidies probably help consumers. Bread is still subsidized by law in France because of the starvation before and during the Revolution.

85 Lidane  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:09:07pm

Luke Russert's keyboard is broken:

86 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:09:37pm

re: #78 CuriousLurker

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

Happy New Year to all three of you. May you have many more! ;)

Thank you, and the same for you.

87 jaunte  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:10:05pm

re: #85 Lidane

ITS THE REUTERS TELETYPE EFFECT

88 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:10:37pm

re: #85 Lidane

Luke Russert's keyboard is broken:

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Be quiet. He may start using his dad's erasable white board on tv...

89 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:10:41pm

re: #78 CuriousLurker

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

Happy New Year to all three of you. May you have many more! ;)

Back atcha.!!!! Haven't started imbibing yet but am damn ready. I'm sitting in pedi chair wishing one was next to me!!

90 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:10:59pm

re: #85 Lidane

Luke Russert's keyboard is broken:

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Attempt to vote on it, if for no other reason than to have it to rub in Obama's face tomorrow. "See, you agreed to $400K yesterday! You can't walk that back now!"

91 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:11:08pm

re: #83 Iwouldprefernotto

Really?

So none of the oil subsidies go to corp profit and executive wages?

They would use is as an excuse. Same with the dairy industry.

92 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:11:43pm

re: #89 Stanghazi

Back atcha.!!!! Haven't started imbibing yet but am damn ready. I'm sitting in pedi chair wishing one was next to me!!

Got our munchies, some games (like trailer park wars and redneck life) and a couple of movies and some friends.

93 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:12:15pm

Being called downstairs. Check in with you all later. :)

94 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:12:17pm
95 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:12:53pm

re: #89 Stanghazi

{{{Stanghazi}}} ;o)

96 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:13:05pm
97 dragonath  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:13:59pm

re: #94 Gus

That means both senators from Alaska voted against it.

98 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:16:19pm

re: #96 Gus

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*SIGH* Realpolitik. I hate it.

Excuse me while I go drown my sorrows in a fresh cup of cafe con leche made with triple shots of espresso...death by coffee, it's the only way to go.

99 Lidane  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:18:17pm
100 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:18:20pm

Evening Lizardim. Happy New Year to all the lizardfolk, as I will be on the road tomorrow leaving the heartland of derp country on my way back to sanity. How go things here in the vast wastelands of cyberspace, as our obstructionist Congress deliberately tips our barrel over the fiscal cliff?

101 freetoken  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:18:51pm

re: #97 dragonath

That means both senators from Alaska voted against it.

According to some Russians, Alaska should really be part of Russia. Which means those two "senators" are really Russian.

Now it all makes sense.

102 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:19:53pm

re: #100 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Let's just say, a) I'm glad I'm in Europe and, b) congrats for leaving the heart of Derpistan.

103 Lidane  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:20:47pm
104 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:20:58pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

*SIGH* Realpolitik. I hate it.

Excuse me while I go drown my sorrows in a fresh pot of cafe con leche made with triple shots of espresso...death by coffee, it's the only way to go.

I'm still waiting for the cappuccino maker that I ordered last week.

I made a big bunch of bread dough! Will be braiding loaves will into the night.

105 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:21:01pm

re: #102 Dr Lizardo

Let's just say, a) I'm glad I'm in Europe and, b) congrats for leaving the heart of Derpistan.

It's pretty bad down here. My dad, bless him, has gone on no less than 3 unhinged derp-filled rants over the last week and a half. I love visiting my folks, but could do without the completely unhinged wingnut political soliloquy.

106 bratwurst  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:21:10pm

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

Well it's officially New Years here in the Czech Republic. Happy New Years, lizardom. May the deity of your choice smile upon you in the new year. The Roman Candle artillery duel between my apartment block and the one across the way has officially begun. It's like something of Judge Dredd, the block wars. LOL.

šťastný Nový rok!

107 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:21:16pm

re: #101 freetoken

Oh yeah that makes perfectly good sense. Throughly confused with no booze.

108 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:21:41pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

*SIGH* Realpolitik. I hate it.

Excuse me while I go drown my sorrows in a fresh pot of cafe con leche made with triple shots of espresso...death by coffee, it's the only way to go.

I have no problem with that compromise.

109 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:22:18pm

re: #106 bratwurst

šťastný Nový rok!

Děkuji a Šťastný Nový Rok na tebe a tvé stejně!

110 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:23:21pm

K Kiddies
Hallmark Channel is still playing Christmas Movies
Mrs Satty is home
Hot chocolate has been made
I'm home
YOU do the math!!

((the things I do for domestic harmony!!))

111 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:23:52pm

re: #108 Gus

I have no problem with that compromise.

Temporary extensions for permanent concessions. If that's not a bad deal, then I'd hate to see what is.

112 makeitstop  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:24:57pm

Before I run out, let me wish you all a very Happy New Year. Be safe tonight.

And special thanks to our gracious host for giving us a place to confirm our own sanity in an insane world. Thank you, Charles, and Happy New Year.

113 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:25:38pm

re: #105 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

It's pretty bad down here. My dad, bless him, has gone on no less than 3 unhinged derp-filled rants over the last week and a half. I love visiting my folks, but could do without the completely unhinged wingnut political soliloquy.

Yeesh. My late father was (briefly) into Fox News Channel, until about 2002, when my ex-wife (she's Czech) started laughing out loud at what passed for "news" on FNC. She told my dad, "I grew up in a Communist regime and I know propaganda when I see it or hear it. This isn't news....it's blatant propaganda. Actually, it's bullshit."

My dear old dad was taken aback at first, but then she went into an off-the-cuff breakdown of what the screaming media faces on FNC were saying, and he wound up watching more CNN.

114 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:26:26pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

Temporary extensions for permanent concessions. If that's not a bad deal, then I'd hate to see what is.

For what? To continue being the world police?

115 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:26:55pm

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

Oh, now that we're on the topic, I meant to mention: My dad, on one of these derpologues, mentioned some kind of sooper-sekrit executive order giving federal employees and Congresscritters a pay raise? What's the real story behind this? He said the only place carrying this story was Fox News, and that immediately raised red flags that it's probably some sort of nontroversy.

116 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:27:12pm

re: #114 Gus

For what? To continue being the world police?

What part of both sides wanting the sequester gone did you miss?

117 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:31:56pm
118 engineer cat  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:33:00pm

i haz no tweetie followers @ignatz_kat

:-(

119 bratwurst  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:33:51pm
120 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:34:13pm

re: #118 engineer cat

i haz no tweetie followers @ignatz_kat

:-(

Is that you?

121 bratwurst  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:34:15pm

re: #118 engineer cat

i haz no tweetie followers @ignatz_kat

:-(

Got me now...hit me back! ;)

122 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:34:30pm

re: #118 engineer cat

I am sure you will gain some followers. :)

123 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:35:31pm

re: #117 Gus

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So a bad deal is okay so long as you can make the case that it's better than a hypothetical worse deal?

124 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:35:48pm

re: #115 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Here's from HuffPo:

President Barack Obama gave a New Year's gift to returning members of Congress, federal workers and Vice President Joe Biden on Thursday, signing an executive order calling for an end to a years-long pay freeze.

As of March 27, 2013, federal employees will see a half-percent to one percent pay increase, marking the end of a pay freeze that has been in place since late 2010. Congress hasn't seen a pay raise since 2009.

According to the order, Biden's pay will increase from $225,521 to $231,900 a year, before taxes. House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) will see his salary increased to $224,500 and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will take home an annual pay of $194,400 after his raise.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

It's not really sooper-seekrit....other press outlets have reported it as well. Of course I'm sure FNC shrieked like stuck pigs about it. Times like this make me oh so grateful we don't have FNC here in the Czech Republic. Just boring old ČT 1, ČT 2 and ČT24. If you want more sensationalistic news, there's always Nova or Primá. If you listen to those two, the Czech Republic is going straight to hell, and it's.....well, it's somebody's fault, dammit!

125 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:35:52pm

Wow! This one should be mayor of Kook-a-monga.

We are witness to the Spy unmasking himself showing his True Face that of a
Ruthlessly Sadistic Communist Monster. Sandy Hook proved beyond a shadow
of a Doubt just how far the Spy is willing to go in the Mass Murder of those White
American School Children by a directed weapon system a Mind Controlled
Killing Machine planned and targeted by the Spy’s Gestapo. This Stalinist
Show ‘Presser’ complete with the scum of the earth smiling loyal communist
stooge props to inform his american subjects just who is their absolute ruler
who controls their Fate.

126 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:35:53pm

re: #118 engineer cat

See. Now you have some one following you. Give it some time.

127 engineer cat  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:37:45pm

re: #120 Gus

re: #121 bratwurst

re: #122 PhillyPretzel

re: #126 PhillyPretzel

thanks you nice lizards u r nice!

:-) :-)

128 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:38:15pm

Charlie Pierce's take on the "deal" being made:

Harkin is right. In this deal, everything that benefits the middle-class as would be defined by common sense has a sunset date, while everything that benefits the Beltway's endlessly negotiable definition of middle-class is made permanent. And, what's more, I don't think the House Republicans will go for it. They will balk at it because they're basically vandals. They will balk at it because it is supported by Barack Obama. They will balk at even the tax increases on people making more than $400,000 a year. They will balk if what they call "the Death Tax" nudges upward on one single citizen.They will balk at being pressured by the Senate -- and the Senate Republicans aren't exactly waving palm fronds toward the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. Apparently, several tender fee-fees were wounded by the president's little pep rally this afternoon. It appears that the Senate Republicans took offense that the president even spoke on the subject. If that's the way the grown-ups are going to act, how can we expect more from the feral children on the other side of the capitol? What deal is going to placate the likes of Rep. Raul Labrador, a "rising star" among young GOP lawmakers?

129 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:38:41pm

re: #127 engineer cat

re: #121 bratwurst

re: #122 PhillyPretzel

re: #126 PhillyPretzel

thanks you nice lizards u r nice!

:-) :-)

You're going to need a profile pic. I hate those eggs. :D

130 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:40:14pm

re: #110 sattv4u2

K Kiddies
Hallmark Channel is still playing Christmas Movies
Mrs Satty is home
Hot chocolate has been made
I'm home
YOU do the math!!

((the things I do for domestic harmony!!))

Wife came home with the flu... 102 temp. I'm standing in line waiting for her meds and the kids are waiting for me to bring home fried chicken. Whiskey is waiting for me later.

131 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:40:15pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

Charlie Pierce's take on the "deal" being made:

Why do we even have a death tax? :O

132 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:41:28pm

I got a full on Obama hating religious zealot on Facebook. From a libertarian friends post about the 'terrible' fiscal cliff negotiations.

My comment was 'What is terrible? This is something you've wanted.'

Then it went to 'Obama is destroying this country.'

And that is how the fight started.

133 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:41:41pm

re: #131 Gus

Why do we even have a death tax? :O

Same reason we have taxes on lottery winnings: It's considered to be income.

134 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:42:26pm

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

Part of the reason my dad went off the rails about it is because, as he put it, "It's Congress's job to give themselves the pay raise, Obama is usurping their authority." I'm sure there's some kind of reasoning behind this order that deals with the separation of powers.

135 freetoken  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:44:21pm

Making the rounds the past few days, from stevecutts.wordpress.com...]>Steve Cutts:

Vimeo

Love the lab scene.

136 freetoken  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:45:00pm

Hmm... why didn't the vimeo video embed? Let's try again:

Vimeo
137 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:45:39pm

re: #133 Targetpractice

Same reason we have taxes on lottery winnings: It's considered to be income.

It's also a tool against the establishment of a permanent elite class of families. Without inheritance tax wealthy families would just concentrate wealth and become aristocracy. Inheritance taxes aren't necessarily fair but they are a necessity.

138 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:46:38pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

*SIGH* Realpolitik. I hate it.

Excuse me while I go drown my sorrows in a fresh cup of cafe con leche made with triple shots of espresso...death by coffee, it's the only way to go.

Hmm... good idea.

(Goes to make pot of coffee, gets condensed milk and bottle of amaretto out.)

139 engineer cat  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:47:20pm

re: #129 Gus

You're going to need a profile pic. I hate those eggs. :D

thx u i hev now changed it to akchual picture of teh ignatz kat

140 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:47:49pm

re: #134 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I'm sure there is.

With the folks on the right, everytime President Obama does something, they royally freak out and soil themselves in rage. I really don't understand this fanatical vitriol. I admit, I didn't like President Bush all that much, but I harbored no hatred or antipathy towards the man. If he'd ever showed up at my door and said, "Hey, let's go grab a brewski and talk politics", I would've certainly done so, and being as he was the President, hell, I would've bought.

141 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:49:01pm

What a mess.

142 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:49:25pm

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

My mom and dad, as I have discussed elsewhere, are rabid right-wingers of an evangelical bent. They hate him purely because he's a Democrat, and they're borderline Birthers, to boot (think he's a sooper-sekrit Muslim intent on destroying America). It's terrible, it's irrational, and it makes me dread visits to/from them, much as I love them.

143 dragonfire1981  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:51:42pm

re: #61 dragonath

♫♬♫♬

IF YOU LIKE PINA COLONICS, AND GETTING CAUGHT IN THE RAIN
IF YOU'RE NOT INTO MORONS, IF YOU HAVE HALF A BRAIN

♫♬
...

♫♬

IF YOU YOU LIKE MAKING DEALS AT MIDNIGHT...

If you don't like Obama,
worked for the Romney Campaign,
If you're a big fan of Limbaugh,
Then it's clear your insane.

If you stay up reading Glenn Beck,
deep into the night,
Then you're part of the problem,
on the crazy train right.

144 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:52:07pm

re: #125 Shiplord Kirel

Wow! This one should be mayor of Kook-a-monga.

Sad to say, the Mayor of Kook-a-monga there likely owns several firearms.

145 dragonfire1981  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:53:09pm

Do you ever find yourself wishing that the U.N. would take the country over, so some crap actually gets done?

146 freetoken  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:54:02pm

re: #145 dragonfire1981

FEMA CAMPS!!

147 EmmaAnne  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:55:02pm

re: #131 Gus

Why do we even have a death tax? :O

We don't, of course. We have an estate tax. Brilliant use of terminology by the conservatives.

148 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:55:49pm

re: #145 dragonfire1981

Do you ever find yourself wishing that the U.N. would take the country over, so some crap actually gets done?

Yeah, but then they would put Syria in charge of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

//

149 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:56:57pm

re: #142 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Oh my. I'm a Sufi myself, and when an old friend, who's since gone full-metal evangelical Jesus-crispy wingnut found out, she berated me (via e-mail) for quite a few days, sending me insane screeds filled with misspellings and random Biblical verses. I just finally sent her back with a quote from the Qur'an:

Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that which I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. (Surah al-Kafirun, 1-6)

That quieted her down. But she still thinks I'm sooooo going to hell.

150 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:56:57pm

re: #145 dragonfire1981

Do you ever find yourself wishing that the U.N. would take the country over, so some crap actually gets done?

I appointed myself interim UN High Commissioner for Lubbock County a while back. My program includes free marijuana for Texas Tech students (to keep them calm) and deportation of drunk drivers to Abilene for a first offense, Afghanistan for the second (we don't expect any three-time offenders).

151 blueraven  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:00:36pm

re: #142 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

My mom and dad, as I have discussed elsewhere, are rabid right-wingers of an evangelical bent. They hate him purely because he's a Democrat, and they're borderline Birthers, to boot (think he's a sooper-sekrit Muslim intent on destroying America). It's terrible, it's irrational, and it makes me dread visits to/from them, much as I love them.

My step dad was always a reasonable conservative, or so I thought. But after Obama was elected her turned full on Tea Party. Taking charter bus trips from GA to DC for rallies...the whole nine yards. He has gone insane.

I used to love talking to him when I went back to GA. He loved history and though we would argue over politics, it was good natured. Now I cant even talk to him anymore about the state of the US. Also he has always been a religious agnostic. Now the evangelicals are courting him and he is beginning to break.

My mom died last year and now I fear he is lost to me. He has been my step dad for 30 years. The only grandfather my kids have ever known.

152 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:01:29pm

re: #142 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

My mom and dad, as I have discussed elsewhere, are rabid right-wingers of an evangelical bent. They hate him purely because he's a Democrat, and they're borderline Birthers, to boot (think he's a sooper-sekrit Muslim intent on destroying America). It's terrible, it's irrational, and it makes me dread visits to/from them, much as I love them.

On the other end of the spectrum, the envelope of the Christmas card from my mom has Kwanzaa on the return address sticker, an 'Eid Greetings' postage stamp (not exactly timely this year), and a United Farm Workers sticker on the back. Different kind of a nut, there. At least she included greetings to my significant other of 28 years inside the card, for the first time in---maybe ever.

153 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:01:53pm

Just popping back in for a sec since I'm on a Pointer Sisters kick tonight. Remeber this energy, this hope?

Youtube Video

WTF happened to us? The potential was there, the hope was there, but we faltered. Why did we let people poison it? Look where we are now. I guess we underestimated the hate, fear & cynicism, huh? It sucks, big time. *SIGH*

154 Kdizzle  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:02:49pm

re: #142 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

My mother seems to think that he is the "worst president ever OMG!!!", but my father likes him. My father has always had an ability to tell if he is being pandered to by a congregation of Chamber of Commerce toadies pretending to be down home middle murricans.

Of course my father would never admit this in front of his W. Bush loving brothers that go on and on about the Kenyan usurper at the Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner tables.

I wonder if the generational disconnect between the Baby Boomers and Gen-xers/Millennials(like myself) regarding the president is pronounced as it was in the 1930s with the WW1/Lost generation and the WW2/Greatest generation with Roosevelt?

155 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:03:24pm

re: #153 CuriousLurker

Just popping back in for a sec since I'm on a Pointer Sisters kick tonight. Remeber this energy, this hope?

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WTF happened to us? The potential was there, the hope was there, but we faltered. Why did we let people poison it? Look where we are now. I guess we underestimated the hate, fear & cynicism, huh? It sucks, big time. *SIGH*

40% of the country has been convinced they want the 1950s back.
/

156 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:03:41pm

re: #149 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, the place I call "fish country" is my ancestral homeland, a small slice of what is termed the "Bible belt" in the southern reaches of Midwest America. Anything other than evangelical Christianity is generally frowned upon in these parts. Even the Catholic Church gets a bit of a bad rap down thisaway. Myself, I decided to keep the Christianity part and ditch the rabid intolerance and mild racism/sexism.

157 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:04:18pm

re: #153 CuriousLurker

Just popping back in for a sec since I'm on a Pointer Sisters kick tonight. Remeber this energy, this hope?

[Embedded content]

WTF happened to us? The potential was there, the hope was there, but we faltered. Why did we let people poison it? Look where we are now. I guess we underestimated the hate, fear & cynicism, huh? It sucks, big time. *SIGH*

We have another inauguration party coming up! Sadly, we don't have all of the Pointer Sisters. :(

158 freetoken  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:04:26pm

re: #153 CuriousLurker

It's just America as usual, going through one of our transitions.

That's one reason I wrote the Page I did this morning. I continue to suspect, more with each day, that what we have collectively is an existential problem that is sort of similar to Europe post WWI.

159 dragonfire1981  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:05:17pm

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160 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:07:29pm

re: #156 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Yeah, the place I call "fish country" is my ancestral homeland, a small slice of what is termed the "Bible belt" in the southern reaches of Midwest America. Anything other than evangelical Christianity is generally frowned upon in these parts. Even the Catholic Church gets a bit of a bad rap down thisaway. Myself, I decided to keep the Christianity part and ditch the rabid intolerance and mild racism/sexism.

I wonder how they'd feel about us whirling dervishes:

Youtube Video
the fun starts at 0:45
161 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:07:57pm
My step dad was always a reasonable conservative, or so I thought. But after Obama was elected her turned full on Tea Party. Taking charter bus trips from GA to DC for rallies...the whole nine yards. He has gone insane.

I used to love talking to him when I went back to GA. He loved history and though we would argue over politics, it was good natured. Now I cant even talk to him anymore about the state of the US. Also he has always been a religious agnostic. Now the evangelicals are courting him and he is beginning to break.

My mom died last year and now I fear he is lost to me. He has been my step dad for 30 years. The only grandfather my kids have ever known.

The way the Conservative media cult incites violence is abhorrent and borderline criminal. But the most disgusting part of this cult is the way it poisons the minds of ordinary people and turns them against their families, friends and neighbours.

It's brainwashing on a gigantic scale, creating millions of people so addled by hate they can barely function. It's appalling.

162 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:09:22pm

re: #153 CuriousLurker

Just popping back in for a sec since I'm on a Pointer Sisters kick tonight. Remeber this energy, this hope?

[Embedded content]

WTF happened to us? The potential was there, the hope was there, but we faltered. Why did we let people poison it? Look where we are now. I guess we underestimated the hate, fear & cynicism, huh? It sucks, big time. *SIGH*

At this point Sister, I'm gravitating to sites like dog shaming & panda cam.

163 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:09:31pm

re: #158 freetoken

It's just America as usual, going through one of our transitions.

That's one reason I wrote the Page I did this morning. I continue to suspect, more with each day, that what we have collectively is an existential problem that is sort of similar to Europe post WWI.

I started to read your Page earlier then got distracted. Thanks for reminding me about it, I'll have to go back and read it later.

164 Kdizzle  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:10:39pm

The blood god of unlimited gun rights for all is once again appeased.

Link

165 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:11:07pm

re: #151 blueraven

My step dad was always a reasonable conservative, or so I thought. But after Obama was elected her turned full on Tea Party. Taking charter bus trips from GA to DC for rallies...the whole nine yards. He has gone insane.

I used to love talking to him when I went back to GA. He loved history and though we would argue over politics, it was good natured. Now I cant even talk to him anymore about the state of the US. Also he has always been a religious agnostic. Now the evangelicals are courting him and he is beginning to break.

My mom died last year and now I fear he is lost to me. He has been my step dad for 30 years. The only grandfather my kids have ever known.

{{blueraven}}

166 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:12:31pm

re: #63 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

When my tinfoil isn't adjusted properly, I begin to suspect that the goal of the Tea Party, whether individual Tea Partiers know it or not, is precisely to dismantle the US government. And I'm not saying it's aliens treason, but it's aliens treason.

That is exactly what they want. They are revolutionaries and the goal of all revolutionaries is to destroy the government so it can be replaced by a new system more to the revolutionaries taste. Usually something 'temporary, until the emergency is over.'

167 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:15:16pm

re: #166 Romantic Heretic

That is exactly what they want. They are revolutionaries and the goal of all revolutionaries is to destroy the government so it can be replaced by a new system more to the revolutionaries taste. Usually something 'temporary, until the emergency is over.'

The Tea Party is little more than a uniquely Americanized right-populist version of the Bolsheviks.

168 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:15:18pm

Happy New Year folks! :)

(12 bells over here already)

169 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:15:38pm

re: #168 Jimmah

Happy New Year folks! :)

(12 bells over here already)

{Jimmah}
Hope you and the frosty one are doing well across the pond.

170 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:16:37pm
171 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:18:51pm

Hmm. John Goodman is singing C&W on my TV...

(Edit: Enter David Byrne, much is explained.)

172 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:19:00pm

re: #167 Dr Lizardo

The Tea Party is little more than a uniquely Americanized right-populist version of the Bolsheviks.

But with a worse value system

Youtube Video
173 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:20:28pm

re: #168 Jimmah

Happy New Year folks! :)

(12 bells over here already)

Whoop whoop 2013!!!

174 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:20:56pm
175 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:21:41pm

re: #169 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

{Jimmah}
Hope you and the frosty one are doing well across the pond.

Stella and Thousand Hills Cabernet Sauvignon have been good to us tonight.

Not forgetting Mr Blue Cheese :)

176 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:23:15pm

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

I wonder how they'd feel about us whirling dervishes:

[Embedded content]

the fun starts at 0:45

That was fun.

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:23:51pm

re: #175 Jimmah

Stella and Thousand Hills Cabernet Sauvignon have been good to us tonight.

Not forgetting Mr Blue Cheese :)

I've got smoked gouda and some pita crackers for later tonight. Currently enjoying fresh-ground hazelnut coffee enhanced by condensed sweetened milk and a shot of amaretto. :)

178 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:23:52pm

Blue Cheese:

Youtube Video
179 dragonath  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:24:05pm

re: #171 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. John Goodman is singing C&W on my TV...

(Edit: Enter David Byrne, much is explained.)

True Stories!

180 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:25:21pm

re: #172 Jimmah

Good one. I enjoyed that; thanks.

Yeah, the Tea Party's "values" are (for me) insane.

When I saw some of the idiotic comments spewing forth from such luminaries as Todd Akin and whatnot, my mind immediately flashed onto "The Handmaid's Tale" (the book) and I was left thinking, these RWNJ's must've read it too, except for them, it was a utopia, not a dystopia.

181 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:26:01pm

re: #178 Jimmah

Blue Cheese:

[Embedded content]

I was going to ask.

//

182 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:26:18pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

That was fun.

I can do that whirling for about five or six minutes, max. I'm working on getting that improved.

183 iceweasel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:26:38pm

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

Good one. I enjoyed that; thanks.

Yeah, the Tea Party's "values" are (for me) insane.

When I saw some of the idiotic comments spewing forth from such luminaries as Todd Akin and whatnot, my mind immediately flashed onto "The Handmaid's Tale" (the book) and I was left thinking, these RWNJ's must've read it too, except for them, it was a utopia, not a dystopia.

Totally agree with you.

184 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:26:39pm

re: #178 Jimmah

Blue Cheese:

[Embedded content]

God's Gift

185 Interesting Times  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:27:04pm
186 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:27:42pm

I just posted a page on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Her blood clot is between her brain and her skull. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

187 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:30:21pm

re: #178 Jimmah

re: #183 iceweasel

Got your Christmas card. Thanks. Merry Christmas! ;) Now I know where you live! Bwahahahaha!

188 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:31:09pm

I demand to see Hillary Clinton's x-rays!

189 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:31:14pm

re: #174 Gus

Steam will be shooting out of Pamela Geller's ears very soon.

190 iceweasel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:31:25pm

re: #187 Gus

re: #183 iceweasel

Got your Christmas card. Thanks. Merry Christmas! ;) Now I know where you live! Bwahahahaha!

So happy you got it! I was wondering. :)

191 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:31:50pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

Steam will be shooting out of Pamela Geller's ears very soon.

To be closely followed by a steady stream of bovine waste from her mouth.

192 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:31:55pm

re: #183 iceweasel

Totally agree with you.

My RWNJ friend up in Oregon would consider the scenario laid out in "The Handmaid's Tale" to be nothing less than Heaven on Earth.

Scary part is, my friend is a woman. In my view, she's been utterly brainwashed by the evangelical church she attends. Now mind you, she doesn't want to be a Handmaid......she'd rather be a Wife. Most likely, an Econowife.

headdesk

193 freetoken  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:33:10pm

Delusional students:

The College Tuition Skyrocket Is Slowing Down, a Little


One of the comments:

COdogman 4 hours ago
If we all band together and refuse to stop paying our student loans back they will wake up quickly and fix this. Too many for-profit colleges churning out useless degrees and too much private bank involvement in our student loan industry. This was bound to happen.

Yeah, like that's going to fix everything.

194 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:33:32pm

re: #190 iceweasel

So happy you got it! I was wondering. :)

Got it early last week. I've been freezing my butt off here so I've been a lot more lazy. I want to break things.

195 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:34:06pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

Steam will be shooting out of Pamela Geller's ears very soon.

Huh, wondered why I heard a tea kettle whistling.

196 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:34:21pm

re: #192 Dr Lizardo

My RWNJ friend up in Oregon would consider the scenario laid out in "The Handmaid's Tale" to be nothing less than Heaven on Earth.

Scary part is, my friend is a woman. In my view, she's been utterly brainwashed by the evangelical church she attends. Now mind you, she doesn't want to be a Handmaid......she'd rather be a Wife. Most likely, an Econowife.

headdesk

A common ailment here in fish country. My family lives very near the Amish sector, and women are expected to be meek and feminine and not "uppity". It came as somewhat of a shock when I married a beautiful and bold woman of the North. They grow 'em a little differently up in the wild north country.

197 iceweasel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:35:19pm

re: #192 Dr Lizardo

My RWNJ friend up in Oregon would consider the scenario laid out in "The Handmaid's Tale" to be nothing less than Heaven on Earth.

Scary part is, my friend is a woman. In my view, she's been utterly brainwashed by the evangelical church she attends. Now mind you, she doesn't want to be a Handmaid......she'd rather be a Wife. Most likely, an Econowife.

headdesk

In any consideration of oppression, there will be people who choose to remain in the upper strata of the oppressed class. The Wives in Handmaid's Tale are the "house negros" of the South.

198 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:35:39pm

re: #184 Gus

In the middle of that luscious forest of greenery I found a picture of Obama which linked to this:

• They have denied God the recognition offered and beseeched by our founders as the means by which this nation might achieve greatness.

• They have reinterpreted our Constitution to conform to humanistic standards and declared therein a separation of church and state which our founders neither inserted nor ever intended.

• They have, in the name of freedom of expression, allowed the desecra­tion of our flag and other national emblems.

• They have, in the name of equality, sanctioned homosexual activities and same sex marriage which God has declared to be an abomination.

• They have sought to remove parental consent in matters directly af­fecting the parent/child relationship.

• They have admittedly made being pro abortion a requirement for any person to be confirmed to a federal judicial position.

• They have, in the midst of elections changed the laws in such a man­ner as to accommodate their own purposes.

• They have denied right to life to over fifty million unborn babies by declaring that women have a constitutional right to slaughter their own unborn children.

• They have prevented schools from exercising the moral leadership that reinforces family values by declaring, in the name of separation of church and state, those enduring religious values and standards of conduct beneficial to a free and moral society must be removed from the classroom.

• They have prohibited prayer or any other recognition of a supreme being in the schools, and forbidden the use of any Christian oriented materials by the student, while allowing Islam, Buddhism and others.

• They have demanded that this nation no longer look to God for protection and direction, but, to the United Nations and become part of a new world order to which we must look for permission to defend our­selves as well as agreeing to accommodate their demands and numerous other

requirements, many of which would be harmful to our national welfare.

• They have, as powerful senators, conspired to prevent good and honest men and women from being appointed to the courts of our land unless they first agree to uphold the beliefs of those senators.

• They have, In the name of freedom of speech, authorized every form of pornography and vile and sordid images to be transmitted into our homes and into the public square with no regard for the children who may be affected or adults who may be offended by such material.

• They have, in the name of science, determined to destroy one human life in the misguided hope of improving another.

• They have, in the name of environmental protection, denied the use of our natural resources for the purpose God created them, instead demanding that, in order to receive our needed energy, we be at the mercy of foreign na­tions, many of which are dedicated to our destruction.

• They have, in the name of world unity, advocated that America and American citizens be subjected to the decisions of a World Court which would have no regard for our Constitution, our laws, our moral stan­dards, or our God; thereby surrendering our national sovereignty.

• They have, in an effort to gain votes, sought to divide us, pitting one group against another; rich vs. poor, white vs. black, old vs. young.

• They have, in the name of artistic expression, condoned and financed the most degrading and obscene art ever conceived and forced it to be given a place in our public museums

It goes on...lol

199 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:35:45pm

Already...

O_o

200 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:36:42pm

re: #199 Gus

Already...

[Embedded content]

O_o

Markos, shut up.
You sound like a tea partier.

201 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:36:58pm

re: #198 Jimmah

In the middle of that luscious forest of greenery I found a picture of Obama which linked to this:

It goes on...lol

Eek! Manic.

202 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:37:17pm

re: #199 Gus

Already...

[Embedded content]

O_o

Doubt Joe's gonna run, Kos. Feel free to relax.

203 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:37:59pm

Another one.

204 dragonath  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:40:47pm

Guarantee you that they'll use this as a reason not to show up in 2014.

205 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:41:31pm

re: #204 dragonath

Guarantee you that they'll use this as a reason not to show up in 2014.

206 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:41:33pm

re: #196 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

A common ailment here in fish country. My family lives very near the Amish sector, and women are expected to be meek and feminine and not "uppity". It came as somewhat of a shock when I married a beautiful and bold woman of the North. They grow 'em a little differently up in the wild north country.

You lucky man, you.

I just don't understand what happened to my friend. She was, when younger, bold and headstrong. Opinionated, and not afraid to share her opinions either. But then she started going to this evangelical church, and after a few years, the bold headstrong woman was replaced by a hateful, yet oddly submissive...........thing.

Truly sad to behold.

207 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:42:43pm

re: #197 iceweasel

In any consideration of oppression, there will be people who choose to remain in the upper strata of the oppressed class. The Wives in Handmaid's Tale are the "house negros" of the South.

Vicarious power.

208 Kdizzle  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:43:27pm

re: #203 Gus

Can you really blame them for feeling betrayed?

They see have seen time and time again Republican constituencies being repaid for their efforts through right to work laws, tax cuts for the moneyed classes, and every anti-women's rights bill one could think of being passed without concession, and then seeing things they gave six months plus of their lives for on the campaign trail being compromised away.

I mean its unrealistic seeing that the Democratic Party just isn't the homogeneous ideological grouping that the GOP is, but it is very much understandable. Isn't it?

209 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:44:55pm

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to spend time on lgf and Twitter while playing with your 8 month old grandson?

210 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:44:56pm

I think 2014 is going to be very different from 2010. This time around Obama really knows - from hard experience - how important it is to get out the Democratic vote, and I'm sure they're preparing an unprecedented push for House seats.

211 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:45:20pm

re: #208 Kdizzle

Can you really blame them for feeling betrayed?

They see have seen time and time again Republican constituencies being repaid for their efforts through right to work laws, tax cuts for the moneyed classes, and every anti-women's rights bill one could think of being passed without concession, and then seeing things they gave six months plus of their lives for on the campaign trail being compromised away.

I mean its unrealistic seeing that the Democratic Party just isn't the homogeneous ideological grouping that the GOP is, but it is very much understandable. Isn't it?

I can understand but not agree. They're young so I'm sure they'll learn soon enough that you just can't always get what you want in this world. Especially in politics.

212 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:45:50pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

I think 2014 is going to be very different from 2010. This time around Obama really knows - from hard experience - how important it is to get out the Democratic vote, and I'm sure they're preparing an unprecedented push for House seats.

I tend to agree with that assertion, and I certainly hope that ends up being the case.

213 Interesting Times  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:46:11pm
214 iceweasel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:47:11pm

re: #213 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

Well, that's a happy new year thought. /

(loved it!)

215 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:47:19pm

re: #211 Gus

I can understand but not agree. They're young so I'm sure they'll learn soon enough that you just can't always get what you want in this world. Especially in politics.

We're selling the cow away for beans.

216 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:47:28pm

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

You lucky man, you.

I just don't understand what happened to my friend. She was, when younger, bold and headstrong. Opinionated, and not afraid to share her opinions either. But then she started going to this evangelical church, and after a few years, the bold headstrong woman was replaced by a submissive...........thing.

Truly sad to behold.

It probably is the fault of the church. The philosophy of evangelical Christianity emphasizes that women are to be submissive and to find their fulfillment in obeying their husband. If she bought into the church's belief system, she would've felt alienated unless she modified her behavior and her thought processes to match those of the "accepted" social norms in that crazy culture.

217 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:49:15pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

I think 2014 is going to be very different from 2010. This time around Obama really knows - from hard experience - how important it is to get out the Democratic vote, and I'm sure they're preparing an unprecedented push for House seats.

Logically it shouldn't be too hard a sell, presumably those people who voted for Obama in the election in november will want their vote to mean something but they really need to make the greatest possible effort to get that vote out.

218 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:49:30pm

re: #152 wrenchwench

Wow, 28 years. Has she ever visited you?

219 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:49:53pm

re: #215 Targetpractice

We're selling the cow away for beans.

Our only hope is to cut off our nose to get that cow back.

//

220 Interesting Times  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:50:03pm

Mayans were only off by a year? ;)

221 Kdizzle  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:50:50pm

re: #216 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

It probably is the fault of the church.

The philosophy of evangelical Christianity emphasizes that women are to be submissive and to find their fulfillment in obeying their husband

. If she bought into the church's belief system, she would've felt alienated unless she modified her behavior and her thought processes to match those of the "accepted" social norms in that crazy culture.

Isn't that just Calvinism in an Affliction t-shirt, with a faux hawk, with the ability to shred on an electric guitar?

Isn' t that really all that Evangelical Christianity really is?

222 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:51:00pm

re: #209 b_sharp

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to spend time on lgf and Twitter while playing with your 8 month old grandson?

Things will get drippy and moist pretty quickly. Have fun!

223 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:51:34pm

re: #216 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

It probably is the fault of the church. The philosophy of evangelical Christianity emphasizes that women are to be submissive and to find their fulfillment in obeying their husband. If she bought into the church's belief system, she would've felt alienated unless she modified her behavior and her thought processes to match those of the "accepted" social norms in that crazy culture.

Yeah, and she's certainly "bought into" her church's philosophy all the way. She now thinks the Earth is 5,000 years old. And that man and dinosaurs co-existed.

224 dragonath  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:51:58pm

Wait, you mean Calvinism isn't like Calvinball?

225 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:52:03pm

re: #219 Gus

Our only hope is to cut off our nose to get that cow back.

//

Oh horseshit, we're making permanent tax cuts that we can't take back in two months, when the debt limit comes due. What do you plan to bargain away then?

226 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:52:22pm

re: #221 Kdizzle

Isn't that just Calvinism in an affliction t-shirt, with a faux hawk, with the ability to shred on an electric guitar?

Isn' t that really all that Evangelical Christianity really is?

More or less. Think of evangelicals as the right bookend on the spectrum of mainstream Christianity.

227 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:52:40pm

re: #218 prairiefire

Wow, 28 years. Has she ever visited you?

Yes, a few times. Not in the last 12 years or so.

228 Interesting Times  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:53:23pm
229 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:54:16pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

I think 2014 is going to be very different from 2010. This time around Obama really knows - from hard experience - how important it is to get out the Democratic vote, and I'm sure they're preparing an unprecedented push for House seats.

The local Tealiban here in Lubbock are working on a major push to oust Congressman Randy Neugebauer. Randy is best known to the sane world for shouting "liar!" at President Obama and for co-sponsoring a birther bill. Nevertheless, the kook lobby regards him as a closet lib and a RINO, possibly because he has not come out against funding public schools or in favor of reparations to the descendants of former slave owners.

230 iceweasel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:54:46pm

re: #213 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

Youtube Video
231 Mattand  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:56:57pm

re: #229 Shiplord Kirel

The local Tealiban here in Lubbock are working on a major push to oust Congressman Randy Neugebauer. Randy is best known to the sane world for shouting "liar!" at President Obama and for co-sponsoring a birther bill. Nevertheless, the kook lobby regards him as a closet lib and a RINO, possibly because he has not come out against funding public schools or in favor of reparations to the descendants of former slave owners.

Christ, talk about eating one of your own.

EDIT: BTW, conservatives, this is your party right now.

232 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:58:26pm

re: #227 wrenchwench

Yes, a few times. Not in the last 12 years or so.

A thaw, perhaps.
You were right about the cast iron items being so hot. They are in the photos from the estate sales and then gone within the first 40 minutes, it seems.

233 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:58:50pm

re: #225 Targetpractice

Oh horseshit, we're making permanent tax cuts that we can't take back in two months, when the debt limit comes due. What do you plan to bargain away then?

Right. Just like we got single payer. What do we have to bargain with now? Nothing.

234 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:01:15pm

re: #174 Gus

[Embedded content]

That's actually a pretty good article but the lead in about the subway pusher is still problematic.
Suspect in NYC Subway Death Arrested Before

Menendez had been arrested several times, starting when she was young. In 2003, she was arrested on charges she punched a 28-year-old man in the face inside her Queens home, but the case was later dropped. She pleaded guilty later that year to assaulting a stranger on the street near her home. The victim, retired Fire Department official Daniel Conlisk, said the attack was violent and relentless.

He said he was sorting recyclables outside his home one night when Menendez approached him and punched him in the face, screaming that he was having sex with her mother.

Charles Manson had a racial aspect to his cult but basing a serious discussion of racism on Manson's insane jibberish isn't really helpful. It's a decent serious article about Islamophobia but I'm still not convinced the crazy subway lady deserves mention in the article aside from possible influence on the mentally ill.

235 Kid A  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:01:29pm

re: #219 Gus

Our only hope is to cut off our nose to get that cow back.

//

I thought Obi Wan Kenobi was our only hope.

236 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:01:50pm

And raise the debt ceiling for what? More wars? A continuation of the drug war? More aircraft carriers and nation building around the world? More military aid to Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Australia, that nation which can't be mentioned, Bahrain, etc?

237 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:02:15pm

re: #233 Gus

Right. Just like we got single payer. What do we have to bargain with now? Nothing.

Tax rates. The GOP is gonna get its ass tanned in the polls if it doesn't agree to cutting taxes for the middle class. Giving that up leaves us with either driving the country into default in two months or giving up more social safety net spending.

238 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:04:46pm

re: #237 Targetpractice

Tax rates. The GOP is gonna get its ass tanned in the polls if it doesn't agree to cutting taxes for the middle class. Giving that up leaves us with either driving the country into default in two months or giving up more social safety net spending.

Of course the GOP would support middle class tax cuts. How would that force them to vote yes on raising the debt ceiling?

239 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:05:04pm

I finally tossed the wife and the kid in the tub, so I get 30 minutes of rest time before taking my shift.

240 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:06:00pm

re: #238 Gus

Of course the GOP would support middle class tax cuts. How would that force them to vote yes on raising the debt ceiling?

Leverage passing the tax cuts for a clean debt limit increase. Consider hostage trading, if necessary.

241 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:07:56pm

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Of course, if she had been in any way connected with OWS, her politics would have been EVERYTHING, right?

242 Kdizzle  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:08:01pm

re: #238 Gus

Because of course the President and the Democratic Caucus is dealing with a completely rational and non-nihilistic actor that's why.//////

243 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:08:14pm

re: #240 Targetpractice

Leverage passing the tax cuts for a clean debt limit increase. Consider hostage trading, if necessary.

I can't see how that would work.

244 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:08:53pm

Raise the debt limit or else the tax cuts gets it!

//

245 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:09:10pm

re: #243 Gus

I can't see how that would work.

And what is it that you do see working? What about McConnell's "deal" has you supporting it?

246 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:09:17pm

re: #231 Mattand

Christ, talk about eating one of your own.

EDIT: BTW, conservatives, this is your party right now.

Revolutionaries devour their own. Ask Robespierre. Or Trotsky, Bukharin, etc.

247 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:13:02pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

And what is it that you do see working? What about McConnell's "deal" has you supporting it?

I think they should stop trying to "extort" votes from one another and start fresh. Stop tying one deal with another deal. At this point start fresh with new tax cuts for 250K and below. Straight up or down vote on the debt ceiling. WRT to taxes if we go this route it'll be what many wanted all along which is 250K and less.

248 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:14:53pm
Youtube Video
249 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:15:38pm

re: #247 Gus

I think they should stop trying to "extort" votes from one another and start fresh. Stop tying one deal with another deal. At this point start fresh with new tax cuts for 250K and below. Straight up or down vote on the debt ceiling. WRT to taxes if we go this route it'll be what many wanted all along which is 250K and less.

And you're deluding yourself. The GOP is going to hold Obama to that $400K.

250 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:16:35pm

Instead everything is always at the last minute. No one has even seen anything come out of the Senate. Harry Reid wasn't even behind it. They did the same thing they did last time which is wait for the last minute. They spent more time on Fast and Furious and Benghazi.

251 Gus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:17:13pm

re: #249 Targetpractice

And you're deluding yourself. The GOP is going to hold Obama to that $400K.

OK. I'm done.

252 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:20:25pm

Having a couple over to celebrate our tax increase, a Vietnam vet and his Signal Command wife. Have a good 2013, all.

(Actually, 2012 was pretty good--love it when a year peaks in early November.)

253 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:22:52pm

What is the tax dollar breakdown

254 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 6:16:25pm

re: #110 sattv4u2

K Kiddies
Hallmark Channel is still playing Christmas Movies
Mrs Satty is home
Hot chocolate has been made
I'm home
YOU do the math!!

((the things I do for domestic harmony!!))

Twilight Zone marathon on SyFy.

255 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 9:03:26pm

...

256 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 9:55:11pm

re: #223 Dr Lizardo

Maybe this doesn't directly relate to your friend's belief system, but you can steer her to No Longer Quivering. It's mostly about the Quiverfull "movement," which is all about male domination and female submission (and popping out litters of children). The bloggers there were pulled into very patriarchal churches, and realized later what a mess they had gotten into.


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