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Ari Fleischer: I’ll Be Donating Less to Charity in 2013

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Former George W. Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer perfectly sums up the blighted world view of the Republican Party with this mean-spirited tweet:

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1 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:24:01pm

So his donations are dependent on tax write-offs? I think he's missed the point of donating.

2 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:24:21pm

What a petty dickhead. Oh poor you Ari, you may have to pay Clinton era level taxes. The horror! Really. The right acts like Obama is proposing tax rates on the wealthy like Hollande is in France. So pathetic that Fleischer thinks being a petty dick and bragging about being one is cool.

3 jhrhv  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:24:52pm

from wikipedia

Fleischer was born in Pound Ridge, New York; his parents were Jewish, his mother a Hungarian immigrant who lost much of her family in the Holocaust.

Ari you're an embarrassment to all of us.

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:26:20pm

It's a little amazing that he's so un-self-conscious about being such a flaming douchebag in front of the whole world. Echo chamber syndrome - all of the people he knows probably think like this.

5 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:26:43pm

A shonda!

6 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:26:52pm

Dear Fucktard,
Charities aren't meant to be a tax shelter, you douche.

7 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:28:23pm

As I commented in the previous thread PBS will be getting $50 from me. I like their shows. That is why I give to PBS.

8 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:29:43pm

He can't get away with claiming 'misinterpretation' either. I saw him at work as George W. Bush's press secretary. He's extremely articulate.

9 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:30:04pm

re: #7 PhillyPretzel

As I commented in the previous thread PBS will be getting $50 from me. I like their shows. That is why I give to PBS.

I gave a lot to PBS when my kid was young. I figured they babysat while I could take a shower, they should be paid for it.

LOL.

Now, I'm focusing on local food and shelter charities.

10 jhrhv  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:30:09pm

Given the kind of things a douche like him would donate to we might all be better off if he doesn't donate as much.

11 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:31:35pm

They just keep getting stupider: Joel Pollak says President Obama is irrreeelevant!

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

12 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:32:47pm

re: #10 jhrhv

I think he's probably more worried about diminished contributions to political lobbying groups that are successfully skirting the IRS rules on 501(c)(3 political activity.

13 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:33:02pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

They just keep getting stupider: Joel Pollak says President Obama is irrreeelevant!

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

If he's irrelevant, how can he be the terrible communist monster? Pick a narrative Joel and stick with it.

14 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:33:05pm

People here won't like this, but it makes sense.

Taxing "the rich" alone won't solve our budget crisis. All the temporary tax cuts should have expired, and spending should have been trimmed. Cutting back charitable deductions--especially now that they're more expensive--is a reasonable way of protesting the inequity.

15 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:33:39pm

I would be a very happy person If I never again heard the words:

Up or Down Vote

16 Gus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:33:45pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

If he's irrelevant, how can he be the terrible communist monster? Pick a narrative Joel and stick with it.

Irrelevant Stalin

//

17 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:34:00pm

King Obama!
Because...
In a monarchy...Kings.are...
FFFFFUUUUUUU!

18 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:34:37pm

re: #15 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Add to that:
"Kicking the can down the road."
"At the end of the day..."

19 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:34:51pm
20 Stanghazi  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:35:20pm

@AriFleischer you make 7 figures a year correct? You are nothing but an Ass Hole. Cap A and cap H.

11:09am - 1 Jan 13

(dont know how to inbed on ipad - dont see 'details' on tweet)

21 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:35:41pm

He's elaborated. It's math!

Ari Fleischer ‏@AriFleischer

For those having a fit re my charity tweet, when gvt reduces ppl's take home pay, ppl have less $ to donate/spend. It's math

22 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:35:43pm

If you're giving solely to take advantage of a tax break (and admit it like Ari's done), you're doing it wrong.

You give because it's the right thing to do, tax consequences notwithstanding.

I'm not increasing my charitable giving because I get a tax benefit. I do it because it's the right thing to do - and giving to deserving charities in the process because it's meant to help people.

And let's be clear about the tax hike that's under consideration. It's affecting only that portion of income over $400/450k. That income will be hit with the resumption of the 39.6% rate from 35% that was the top rate before 2013.

It's a 4.6% hike. On each $10,000 over $400/450k, you're talking about going from paying $3,500 to $3,960.

23 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:36:10pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

King Obama!
Because...
In a monarchy...Kings.are...
FFFFFUUUUUUU!

One of my favorite was when one of the right wing nuts said all of Obama's czars meant we were just like the USSR. That one always amused me. As did the acting like Obama created the czars too.

24 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:36:30pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

They just keep getting stupider: Joel Pollak says President Obama is irrreeelevant!

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

I'm still embarrassed to have voted for him back in 2010, but does he have to rub my face in it with DERP like that?

25 EmmaAnne  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:36:38pm

re: #14 ReamWorks SKG

People here won't like this, but it makes sense. We've cut back on our pledges for 2013, because of CA Prop 30 which raises our state tax alone by $14,000. (In particular, we stopped "sponsoring a week" at our Community Food Bank.)

I feel like having Democratic budgets and priorities come to pass is far more important to those in need than any loss of charitable giving, though. Cutting student loan interest rates will help many more students than any likely loss to scholarships will hurt, for example.

26 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:37:06pm

re: #14 ReamWorks SKG

That's austerity in a nutshell, and even the GOP knows that it would lead to a recession.

27 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:37:21pm

Math seems like an excuse. Dude makes probably a good seven figures a year I imagine. Money's not an issue for him. If he were making five figures and having his taxes raised, I'd understand but money's not an issue for guys like Mr. Fleischer.

28 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:37:30pm

How do stupid people get to be so rich?

29 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:38:12pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

I'm still embarrassed to have voted for him back in 2010, but does he have to rub my face in it with DERP like that?

As long as he keeps on writing for Breitbart, expect nothing but the finest derp. Didn't know he actually ran for office. Yikes.

30 Stanghazi  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:38:16pm

re: #14 ReamWorks SKG

People here won't like this, but it makes sense. We've cut back on our pledges for 2013, because of CA Prop 30 which raises our state tax alone by $14,000. (In particular, we stopped "sponsoring a week" at our Community Food Bank.)

Taxing "the rich" alone won't solve our budget crisis. All the temporary tax cuts should have expired, and spending should have been trimmed. Cutting back charitable deductions--especially now that they're more expensive--is a reasonable way of protesting the inequity.

No. i dont like it. you stopped funding a food bank on principle, then told all of us about your overseas trip.

your karma, however you justify it with the state of california and us, sucks.

31 EmmaAnne  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:38:57pm

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

How do stupid people get to be so rich?

The kind of intelligence needed to make a lot of money is narrow and specialized, I conclude. Cf: Mitt Romney.

32 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:39:08pm

Why I haven't been to SF in years, even though I live 45 miles south of it:

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com...]

33 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:39:17pm

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

Convincing others to buy into their logic and reasoning such as it is.

And it's amazing that people who get politics so wrong can still get jobs (think pollsters who persistently get outcomes wrong).

34 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:39:21pm

re: #22 lawhawk

...you're talking about going from paying $3,500 to $3,960...

There goes the Grey Poupon budget, or perhaps the Widows and Childrens fund.

35 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:40:06pm

re: #31 EmmaAnne

The kind of intelligence needed to make a lot of money is narrow and specialized, I conclude. Cf: Mitt Romney.

To be fair, Mitt probably benefited a lot for having his father for a father. I know Mitt didn't inherit a ton of money from his Dad but the connections sure as hell helped.

36 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:40:38pm

re: #30 Stanghazi

No. i dont like it. you stopped funding a food bank on principle, then told all of us about your overseas trip.

your karma, however you justify it with the state of california and us, sucks.

EXACTLY!

If I can afford to buy a Starbucks, I can certainly afford give a can of Folger's to the Food Bank.

37 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:40:43pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

If he's irrelevant, how can he be the terrible communist monster? Pick a narrative Joel and stick with it.

It's like the RWNJ's UN narrative. One second it's a monolithic monster set out to destroy all vestiges of freedom in the world, but especially America. The next it's useless because it can't prevent some atrocity or support a favoured government.

It's kind of like the opposite of 'all things to all people.'

38 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:40:46pm

re: #14 ReamWorks SKG

People here won't like this, but it makes sense.

Taxing "the rich" alone won't solve our budget crisis. All the temporary tax cuts should have expired, and spending should have been trimmed. Cutting back charitable deductions--especially now that they're more expensive--is a reasonable way of protesting the inequity.

It only makes sense if you see charity as a purely selfish means of paying less in taxes.
Screw that logic.

39 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:41:09pm

re: #34 jaunte

There goes the Grey Poupon budget, or perhaps the Widows and Childrens fund.

And don't forget that this is only if the income is via salary and wages. If the income is cap gains and such it is taxed at a different (and lower) rate.

40 Mattand  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:41:14pm
42 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:41:50pm

re: #32 ReamWorks SKG

Why I haven't been to SF in years, even though I live 45 miles south of it:

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com...]

Don't get me started on the cost of fireworks, born by municipalities that say they need money.

43 KingKenrod  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:42:00pm

re: #22 lawhawk

If you're giving solely to take advantage of a tax break (and admit it like Ari's done), you're doing it wrong.

You give because it's the right thing to do, tax consequences notwithstanding.

I'm not increasing my charitable giving because I get a tax benefit. I do it because it's the right thing to do - and giving to deserving charities in the process because it's meant to help people.

And let's be clear about the tax hike that's under consideration. It's affecting only that portion of income over $400/450k. That income will be hit with the resumption of the 39.6% rate from 35% that was the top rate before 2013.

It's a 4.6% hike. On each $10,000 over $400/450k, you're talking about going from paying $3,500 to $3,960.

The deal also raises capital gains rates 5%, and also phases out deductions starting at $250,000. These are probably bigger considerations than the income tax rate hike.

44 Stanghazi  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:42:05pm

It would hurt me to have given so much to a food bank & then tell them no this year.

45 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:42:21pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

As long as he keeps on writing for Breitbart, expect nothing but the finest derp. Didn't know he actually ran for office. Yikes.

US House, IL-9 in 2010. He didn't act crazy back then, and he seemed likely to give Jan Schakowsky a run for her money. He actually bought bus signs and a radio ad. On Election Day I knew he wouldn't win, but I was still happy to vote for him.

Then he moved out to California and joined Andrew Breitbart's team of haters, leaving me once more feeling I'm too trusting.

46 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:43:22pm

And this is why I laugh when I hear conservatives try to claim they're more generous and charitable than liberals. Dude, if you were only giving to the charity for tax deductibles, you really misunderstand the point of giving to charity in the first place. My grandfather wasn't a wealthy guy but he gave a lot of his money to a charity for kids with Downs Syndrome because he remembered his older sister who had it and how much he cared for her. Sure, he probably didn't mind the tax deductible but it was about helping the kids.

47 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:43:37pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

US House, IL-10 in 2010. He didn't act crazy back then, and he seemed likely to give Jan Schakowsky a run for her money. He actually bought bus signs and a radio ad. On Election Day I knew he wouldn't win, but I was still happy to vote for him.

Then he moved out to California and joined Andrew Breitbart's team of haters, leaving me once more feeling I'm too trusting.

blind loyalty should be reserved only for your dog.

48 blueraven  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:44:29pm

re: #14 ReamWorks SKG

People here won't like this, but it makes sense. We've cut back on our pledges for 2013, because of CA Prop 30 which raises our state tax alone by $14,000. (In particular, we stopped "sponsoring a week" at our Community Food Bank.)

Taxing "the rich" alone won't solve our budget crisis. All the temporary tax cuts should have expired, and spending should have been trimmed. Cutting back charitable deductions--especially now that they're more expensive--is a reasonable way of protesting the inequity.

That would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. Raising taxes on the middle class right now would be economic suicide.

The rich got the biggest portion of the Bush Tax cuts and it is totally appropriate for those to expire now.

49 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:44:59pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

US House, IL-10 in 2010. He didn't act crazy back then, and he seemed likely to give Jan Schakowsky a run for her money. He actually bought bus signs and a radio ad. On Election Day I knew he wouldn't win, but I was still happy to vote for him.

Then he moved out to California and joined Andrew Breitbart's team of haters, leaving me once more feeling I'm too trusting.

Ah. You had no way of knowing that he would become Breitbart Jr though. Hell I read an article about Joe Walsh bragging in the 1990's that he was very proudly a pro gay rights Republican.

50 Stanghazi  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:47:20pm

bbl. got to get requested collard greens & cornbread mix. hoppin john not enough.

51 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:47:29pm

Who was it that said character was seen when you do something when no one's watching? You could say the same about lack of character in Ari's case. I mean what a greedy fuck. He's just fine with budget cuts that are going to impact people far more than a minor tax increase for him and he acts like this? Embarrassing that this guy was once the president's spokesman.

52 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:47:46pm

Thought experiment.

A makes $1.45 million and files married jointly. The new 39.6% tax rate kicks in at 450k. So, instead of paying $350,000 on the $1 million over the $450k, A is now paying $396,000 or $46,000 more. A is still banking $604,000 versus $650,000.

That's assuming no other tax changes. Only focusing on the rate change on the income over the threshold.

53 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:47:51pm

re: #47 Holidays are Family Fun Time

blind loyalty should be reserved only for your dog.

I actually met him, though, heard him speak twice. Based on everything I saw, heard, and read he looked like a first-rate candidate. The bad craziness wasn't until after the election.

54 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:48:15pm

re: #14 ReamWorks SKG

People here won't like this, but it makes sense. We've cut back on our pledges for 2013, because of CA Prop 30 which raises our state tax alone by $14,000. (In particular, we stopped "sponsoring a week" at our Community Food Bank.)

Taxing "the rich" alone won't solve our budget crisis. All the temporary tax cuts should have expired, and spending should have been trimmed. Cutting back charitable deductions--especially now that they're more expensive--is a reasonable way of protesting the inequity.

uh-huh. For the record, I am below the poverty level by just about any measure you want to make.

So I donate time in a few places. And every so often I pick up a fast food gift card and put 2 to 5 dollars on them to hand out to people begging on corners.

As a digression, I disagree a lot with the opening of your last paragraph. Taxing the rich alone - to a sufficient level - would indeed solve our budget crisis. Personally I'd be overjoyed to see - and pay - the tax levels that existed at the beginning of Reagan's tenure. We'd have a budget surplus. And it's obvious that those amounts weren't preventing people from getting rich.

I have proposed - semiseriously - a full 50% tax on all income after "expenses" with default expenses being 200% of the federal poverty limit. Not going to happen, but it's there nonetheless. And it would, indeed, go a long way toward paying for our needs.

55 dragonath  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:48:47pm
56 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:49:08pm
57 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:49:36pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

US House, IL-9 in 2010. He didn't act crazy back then, and he seemed likely to give Jan Schakowsky a run for her money. He actually bought bus signs and a radio ad. On Election Day I knew he wouldn't win, but I was still happy to vote for him.

Then he moved out to California and joined Andrew Breitbart's team of haters, leaving me once more feeling I'm too trusting.

Edit for correct district. IL-10 is the district Sen. Kirk represented till he was elected to Obama's Senate seat in 2010.

58 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:49:40pm

The Tom's shoe brand has a unique and thought provoking marketing strategy.

Basically you, the rich american, pay double for your pair of shoes and a person in a 3rd world country get's a free pair.

I don't know how well it really works, but it has made me think when purchasing things I don't really need. (like more shoes --NO, I didn't really say that :)

How much money do we piss away without thinking? Tax deductions on that money doesn't matter one twit.

1st Worlders are very lucky people.

59 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:50:03pm

re: #48 blueraven

That would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. Raising taxes on the middle class right now would be economic AND POLITICAL suicide.

The rich got the biggest portion of the Bush Tax cuts and it is totally appropriate for those to expire now.

ftfy

60 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:50:37pm

re: #58 Holidays are Family Fun Time

The Tom's shoe brand has a unique and thought provoking marketing strategy.

Basically you, the rich american, pay double for your pair of shoes and a person in a 3rd world country get's a free pair.

I don't know how well it really works, but it has made me think when purchasing things I don't really need. (like more shoes --NO, I didn't really say that :)

How much money do we piss away without thinking? Tax deductions on that money doesn't matter one twit.

1st Worlders are very lucky people.

We are. So many things we take for granted.

61 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:50:53pm

re: #52 lawhawk

Thought experiment.

A makes $1.45 million and files married jointly. The new 39.6% tax rate kicks in at 450k. So, instead of paying $350,000 on the $1 million over the $450k, A is now paying $396,000 or $46,000 more. A is still banking $604,000 versus $650,000.

That's assuming no other tax changes. Only focusing on the rate change on the income over the threshold.

Well, no new car this year . . .

62 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:52:57pm

re: #54 kirkspencer

uh-huh. For the record, I am below the poverty level by just about any measure you want to make.

So I donate time in a few places. And every so often I pick up a fast food gift card and put 2 to 5 dollars on them to hand out to people begging on corners.

As a digression, I disagree a lot with the opening of your last paragraph. Taxing the rich alone - to a sufficient level - would indeed solve our budget crisis. Personally I'd be overjoyed to see - and pay - the tax levels that existed at the beginning of Reagan's tenure. We'd have a budget surplus. And it's obvious that those amounts weren't preventing people from getting rich.

I have proposed - semiseriously - a full 50% tax on all income after "expenses" with default expenses being 200% of the federal poverty limit. Not going to happen, but it's there nonetheless. And it would, indeed, go a long way toward paying for our needs.

Those of us who are or have ever been on the low end of income levels understand how much $1 or $5 can help and appreciate it when other's helped us.

We understand thoroughly the concept of "pay it forward".

People who have never had to clip coupons for toilet paper, or have never actually priced toilet paper, have no concept.

63 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:54:15pm

re: #54 kirkspencer

So I donate time in a few places. And every so often I pick up a fast food gift card and put 2 to 5 dollars on them to hand out to people begging on corners.

I like the gift card idea. That's a good way to handle a hard issue.

My priest and I were talking earlier today and he mentioned that most of us could not afford a true 10% of our income tithe. But if you look at a work week of forty hours, then 10% of time we use to make our money would be the same. Is it really so hard to volunteer 4 hours a week?

I hope to find out in this coming year as my tithe.

64 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:54:33pm

Eric Cantor is making a play to sabotage John Boehner and set himself up as Speaker of the House.

65 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:54:38pm

BTW, the one pair of TOM's shoes I purchased are uber comfortable. They've become my default shoes when I don't know which pair to wear.

66 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:54:45pm

re: #36 Holidays are Family Fun Time

EXACTLY!

If I can afford to buy a Starbucks, I can certainly afford give a can of Folger's to the Food Bank.

And as someone who has had to use food banks on occasion, I'll say, "Thank you." It's like getting a Christmas present to find coffee in your food from the food bank.

67 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:55:49pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Eric Cantor is making a play to sabotage John Boehner and set himself up as Speaker of the House.

Pretty much. He'll be in over his head. Not sure who would replace him as Majority Leader.

68 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:55:53pm

re: #61 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Well, no new car this year . . .

Nah, they'll just have to downgrade:

A Christmas Tragedy...

69 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:56:40pm

re: #62 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Those of us who are or have ever been on the low end of income levels understand how much $1 or $5 can help and appreciate it when other's helped us.

We understand thoroughly the concept of "pay it forward".

People who have never had to clip coupons for toilet paper, or have never actually priced toilet paper, have no concept.

Tip 20% or more. The wait staff could use it.

Other people who should receive tips:

The manicurist, the airport wheelchair pusher, the grocery bagger who help you take the groceries to your car.

Please add to the list if you think of any more.

70 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:57:30pm

re: #66 Romantic Heretic

And as someone who has had to use food banks on occasion, I'll say, "Thank you." It's like getting a Christmas present to find coffee in your food from the food bank.

Oh, Amen.

Even a couple of teabags (real ones not the asshats) in your 3 day package can make the world a much better place sometimes

71 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 12:59:14pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

They just keep getting stupider: Joel Pollak says President Obama is irrreeelevant!

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Wow. The comments there are just insane and vicious. That's really disturbing. I need a shower.

72 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:00:06pm

re: #66 Romantic Heretic

And as someone who has had to use food banks on occasion, I'll say, "Thank you." It's like getting a Christmas present to find coffee in your food from the food bank.

You are welcome, but I have to admit, I don't go grocery shopping for the food back, just give money. Kudos for the purchase of the actual coffee must go to someone else.

I do play the coupon game tho. When I can get free or cheap stuff I don't need, it mostly goes to the women's shelter or young people I know that can use the help

I've been able to donate boxes of items for very, very little money this way. And, it's fun. I like to shop.

73 sauceruney  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:00:08pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

So his donations are dependent on tax write-offs? I think he's missed the point of donating.

I've been too lazy to log in for a few weeks, but I had to just so I could upding this.

74 jhrhv  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:00:55pm

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

Some have given their lives to the money. If you dropped everything in your life and focused solely on work and making cash you would probably triple your income in the first year.

The question is the money worth giving up everything else? For me I say no. I don't need that much money and I'm sort of lazy I don't want to work that hard all the time every day every year. I'd rather go for a bike ride, play with the kids take a trip etc.

Oh yeah you could also donate time a local charity. The pay sucks well it usually costs you but the experience and feeling you get inside is priceless.

There are some who have managed to do both but I think they put in the time to bank money first before becoming philanthropic.

75 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:01:11pm

I'm just reading this Joel Pollak article over and over, laughing. This really is one of the all-time classic right wing butthurt rants.

He obsessively attacks absolutely everything Barack Obama does for years, writing hundreds of thousands of words and spending every waking minute watching videos of him and reading transcripts looking for any little word he can twist and distort ... then he says Obama is IRRREEELLEVANT!

I swear, these people are just not right in the head.

76 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:02:28pm

Why or how could the House Republicans scuttle the deal and get away with it?

Locked in seats, that's the biggest problem with the current system. With the Republicans controlling the majority of the state legislatures, they have constructed a systemic advantage that will stick around unless and until the Democrats win the legislature of the state during a redistricting year. The other option is finding a way to create an independent redistricting process. But you have to get a way to convince the legislature to give up their power, which is ... difficult.

So the seats are going to be safe, along with the Republican majority in the house, until 2020 at the earliest. Even if there are wholesale defections among the voters, I can't see many seats flipping. For example, in Pennsylvania, Obama won the state, but the Democrats won only 5 of the 18 house seats. And of those seats won by the Republicans, only one had a margin of victory under 13 points. In Georgia, the Republicans won their 9 seats (out of 14) by at least 25 points. Michigan, another state won by Obama, the Republicans won 9 out of 14 seats, with only one nail biter, (there were two more won by margins of 6 to 10 points).

You can go on and on and on to different states and the story is the same. Seats have been drawn to be incredibly safe for a single party. And those seats are typically held by people with no incentive to compromise. In fact they have a disincentive to compromise, lest they be attacked by someone who is 'purer'.

The loss of the Blue Dog Democrats and Rockefeller Republicans have stifled any effort to compromise in the US House. And that's to the detriment of the country as a whole.

77 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:03:06pm

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

Tip 20% or more. The wait staff could use it.

Other people who should receive tips:

The manicurist, the airport wheelchair pusher, the grocery bagger who help you take the groceries to your car.

Please add to the list if you think of any more.

30% on breakfast and lunch tabs --It's usually a $1 or so.

Chicago is the land of tips. Don't forget the lady that washes your hair before you get it cut. One told me that people never remember to tip her. I thought "shit your the one that does the great head massage, I always request you." How could someone not remember to tip her?

Also, that change you get back after a transaction. . .put it in the tip jar at Starbucks or in the charity bin at the gas station. You won't miss it.

78 jhrhv  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:03:46pm

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

My wife says at places where we tip: "The 5 bucks means nothing to us for them it might make a huge difference".

Wife is not only beautiful is she is smart too.

79 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:04:35pm

re: #74 jhrhv

Some have given their lives to the money. If you dropped everything in your life and focused solely on work and making cash you would probably triple your income in the first year.

The question is the money worth giving up everything else? For me I say no. I don't need that much money and I'm sort of lazy I don't want to work that hard all the time every day every year. I'd rather go for a bike ride, play with the kids take a trip etc.

Oh yeah you could also donate time a local charity. The pay sucks well it usually costs you but the experience and feeling you get inside is priceless.

There are some who have managed to do both but I think they put in the time to bank money first before becoming philanthropic.

I have a foundation which qualified for 501(c)(3) in 2005. It's basically a History Resource website which contains thousands of pages scanned from original documents. I started doing it just because I enjoy it.

We get very few donations, the site is supported by the stuff we sell at the Zionist Mall.

80 calochortus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:04:41pm

re: #14 ReamWorks SKG

People here won't like this, but it makes sense.

Taxing "the rich" alone won't solve our budget crisis. All the temporary tax cuts should have expired, and spending should have been trimmed. Cutting back charitable deductions--especially now that they're more expensive--is a reasonable way of protesting the inequity.

No, it doesn't make sense and it isn't reasonable. Taking out your annoyance over higher taxes on those who depend on charity is just cruel.

81 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:04:43pm

So here we are, 4pmEST and the House GOP's talking amending a bunch of budget cuts and sending the bill back to the Senate. Obviously Charles tone in the last thread was just too harsh for them.

///

82 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:05:24pm

re: #74 jhrhv

Some have given their lives to the money. If you dropped everything in your life and focused solely on work and making cash you would probably triple your income in the first year.

The question is the money worth giving up everything else? For me I say no. I don't need that much money and I'm sort of lazy I don't want to work that hard all the time every day every year. I'd rather go for a bike ride, play with the kids take a trip etc.

Oh yeah you could also donate time a local charity. The pay sucks well it usually costs you but the experience and feeling you get inside is priceless.

There are some who have managed to do both but I think they put in the time to bank money first before becoming philanthropic.

In many ways, I'm lucky. My hubby is the A-personality ADHD workaholic. I use my time to give-back. He earns it, I give it away. Not really, a kid in college and medical bills take the majority of any extra we have, but I do try to justify not working by giving back.

I feel very fortunate.

83 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:06:41pm

re: #76 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Why or how could the House Republicans scuttle the deal and get away with it?

to save idealogical face.

They are that kind of single-minded theocrats.

It's about good and evil to them.

84 sauceruney  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:07:01pm

re: #72 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I was just at Big Lots and they had a 24ct. bulk purchase for something I only wanted five of, and it was still a bargain... donating the rest hadn't even occurred to me. I'll have to go back and get it. Thank you for the perspective!

85 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:07:23pm

Inexcusable logic:

Memo to Rubin. We as a nation have never left states and people hit by natural disasters twist in the wind like this. You'd be setting a precedent that leads to nothing but bad things - primarily for the Southeast, West, and coastal regions.

It's politicizing every natural disaster going forward. Every drought declaration (think farm country - a drought ongoing for the past couple of years and threatens trade and commerce for much of the country), hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes. Everything.

Holding up the bill for NY and NJ claiming that doing so is fiscal prudence is the height of fiscal recklessness.

86 calochortus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:08:20pm

re: #80 calochortus

No, it doesn't make sense and it isn't reasonable. Taking out your annoyance over higher taxes on those who depend on charity is just cruel.

And let me add that I would be fine with all the tax cuts expiring, even those on our less than impressive income. The fact that you are protesting your taxes going up and complaining that you can no longer afford charitable contributions kind of puts your insistence that everyone's taxes should go up in a different light, doesn't it?

87 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:08:27pm

re: #76 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Why or how could the House Republicans scuttle the deal and get away with it?

Locked in seats, that's the biggest problem with the current system. With the Republicans controlling the majority of the state legislatures, they have constructed a systemic advantage that will stick around unless and until the Democrats win the legislature of the state during a redistricting year. The other option is finding a way to create an independent redistricting process. But you have to get a way to convince the legislature to give up their power, which is ... difficult.

So the seats are going to be safe, along with the Republican majority in the house, until 2020 at the earliest. Even if there are wholesale defections among the voters, I can't see many seats flipping. For example, in Pennsylvania, Obama won the state, but the Democrats won only 5 of the 18 house seats. And of those seats won by the Republicans, only one had a margin of victory under 13 points. In Georgia, the Republicans won their 9 seats (out of 14) by at least 25 points. Michigan, another state won by Obama, the Republicans won 9 out of 14 seats, with only one nail biter, (there were two more won by margins of 6 to 10 points).

You can go on and on and on to different states and the story is the same. Seats have been drawn to be incredibly safe for a single party. And those seats are typically held by people with no incentive to compromise. In fact they have a disincentive to compromise, lest they be attacked by someone who is 'purer'.

The loss of the Blue Dog Democrats and Rockefeller Republicans have stifled any effort to compromise in the US House. And that's to the detriment of the country as a whole.

Step 2, which will probably pop up this year or next, will be those states (such as PA) that are in GOP local control but go nationally for the Democrats will start trying to game their Electoral College votes to be split by legislative district instead of winner take all.

The GOP knows that they are on the losing side of the demographics, so the strategy now is to change the rules of the game so that they still have a chance to win a national election dependent on the Balkanization that has been put in place.

88 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:08:36pm

re: #84 sauceruney

I was just at Big Lots and they had a 24ct. bulk purchase for something I only wanted five of, and it was still a bargain... donating the rest hadn't even occurred to me. I'll have to go back and get it. Thank you for the perspective!

I do that all the time.

Any consumables--from toothpaste to diapers and kids socks.

The lady at the women's shelter tell me they go thru socks at an incredible rate.

89 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:10:57pm

What a perfect poster boy for what is wrong with the GOP. ThinkProgress owes him a thank you card. Media gold.

90 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:11:04pm

Kids go thru mittens and hats quickly too. They lose them, they ruin them. Instead of giving this type of stuff to goodwill, give it to the shelter.

91 jhrhv  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:14:03pm

re: #79 Vicious Babushka

I have a foundation which qualified for 501(c)(3) in 2005. It's basically a History Resource website which contains thousands of pages scanned from original documents. I started doing it just because I enjoy it.

We get very few donations, the site is supported by the stuff we sell at the Zionist Mall.

Bookmarked both.

Some very inspirational reading here from good people. I hope Ari is giving this page a look maybe he'll learning something of what charity is really about.

I'm putting down they keyboard now and going for a spin on the bike trainer. To cold outside for the real thing. Need to work off some of the holiday eating.

92 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:15:20pm

re: #87 Feline Fearless Leader

Step 2, which will probably pop up this year or next, will be those states (such as PA) that are in GOP local control but go nationally for the Democrats will start trying to game their Electoral College votes to be split by legislative district instead of winner take all.

The GOP knows that they are on the losing side of the demographics, so the strategy now is to change the rules of the game so that they still have a chance to win a national election dependent on the Balkanization that has been put in place.

Oh I know about the gamesmanship going on in the state legislatures to try to work the electoral college system to their favor. At some point i fully expect the state legislatures to try to simply appoint the electoral college voters directly. Virginia has outdone the rest of the people though, Their proposal is to divvy up electoral votes by house district, AND the two electoral college votes the state gets for having senators would be given to the candidate who won the most house districts. Which in 2012, had Virginia set their electoral vote distribution like that, instead of winning 13 EVs, Obama would have won ... 3 Despite winning the popular vote in Virginia.

The games are not over by any stretch.

93 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:15:39pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Hate causes brain damage. No snark there at all. I'm serious.

94 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:15:48pm

re: #91 jhrhv

Bookmarked both.

Some very inspirational reading here from good people. I hope Ari is giving this page a look maybe he'll learning something of what charity is really about.

I'm putting down they keyboard now and going for a spin on the bike trainer. To cold outside for the real thing. Need to work off some of the holiday eating.

I think Baba is like my husband, never sleeps and accomplishes much!

:0

95 blueraven  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:16:16pm

I note that CNN and MSNBC are covering the fiscal cliff deal live today, but Fox is running mostly canned film.

Hard to root for their team today I guess.

96 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:16:31pm

re: #93 A Mom Anon

Hate causes brain damage. No snark there at all. I'm serious.

and heart damage, IIRC.

It's not a good thing.

97 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:18:07pm

In addition to the battle the legislation faces in the House, there are several other difficult issues that political leaders will be forced to revisit over the coming weeks and months, including cuts to defense and other domestic programs, as well as the debt ceiling, the subject of a mammoth congressional brouhaha last year.

mammoth brouhahas are so pleistocene

98 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:18:43pm

Our local women's shelter posts a wish list on their website.

I'll bet most do.

IT's easy to peruse it occasionally and then when I see items on the list on sale or in my goodwill box, I give it to them.

I see it as the ultimate in recycling.

99 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:19:09pm

re: #97 engineer cat

In addition to the battle the legislation faces in the House, there are several other difficult issues that political leaders will be forced to revisit over the coming weeks and months, including cuts to defense and other domestic programs, as well as the debt ceiling, the subject of a mammoth congressional brouhaha last year.

mammoth brouhahas are so pleistocene

But wasn't one of the ancient mammoth hunting strategies to chase the herd of them over a cliff? So the GOP is simply going back to their roots.
//

100 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:20:37pm

re: #97 engineer cat

In addition to the battle the legislation faces in the House, there are several other difficult issues that political leaders will be forced to revisit over the coming weeks and months, including cuts to defense and other domestic programs, as well as the debt ceiling, the subject of a mammoth congressional brouhaha last year.

mammoth brouhahas are so pleistocene

At least it didn't turn into a hullabaloo.

101 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:21:14pm

re: #99 Feline Fearless Leader

But wasn't one of the ancient mammoth hunting strategies to chase the herd of them over a cliff? So the GOP is simply going back to their roots.
//

Not in the Bible, didn't happen.
/

102 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:21:32pm

SECOND VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

The Pleistocene (pron.: /ˈplaɪstəsiːn/) (symbol PS[1]) is the geological epoch which lasted from about 2,588,000 to 11,700 years ago, spanning the world's recent period of repeated glaciations.

&

Pleis·to·cene (plst-sn) KEY

ADJECTIVE:
Of or belonging to the geologic time, rock series, or sedimentary deposits of the earlier of the two epochs of the Quaternary Period, characterized by the alternate appearance and recession of northern glaciation, the appearance and worldwide spread of hominids, and the extinction of numerous land mammals, such as the mammoths, mastodons, and saber-toothed tigers. See Table at geologic time.

103 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:21:59pm

re: #100 Kragar

At least it didn't turn into a hullabaloo.

Wouldn't that be a wooly hullabaloo?

104 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:22:52pm

re: #100 Kragar

At least it didn't turn into a hullabaloo.

Is that when you beard the cave bear in its den during early spring?
/

105 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:23:55pm

re: #103 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Wouldn't that be a wooly hullabaloo?

A helluva hullabaloo.

106 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:26:04pm

I think this thread is done:)

107 blueraven  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:27:48pm

So the latest word is, if the house sends the bill back to the senate with amendments, the senate democrats will not go for it. Bill is stalled.

New congress is sworn in Thursday at noon. Bill is no longer valid and legislation will have to begin all over.

108 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:28:24pm

I knew it would happen. Wingnuts heard the $4T figure the CBO put on the deal and are starting to scream "We need cuts to offset this!" Yes folks, you heard that right, after over a decade of screaming that tax cuts have no cost because its just "letting people keep their money," tax cuts have a cost.

In other news, The Onion just filed for bankruptcy, claims the market for parody has dried up.

109 Gus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:29:00pm
110 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:29:21pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Inexcusable logic:

[Embedded content]

Memo to Rubin. We as a nation have never left states and people hit by natural disasters twist in the wind like this. You'd be setting a precedent that leads to nothing but bad things - primarily for the Southeast, West, and coastal regions.

It's politicizing every natural disaster going forward. Every drought declaration (think farm country - a drought ongoing for the past couple of years and threatens trade and commerce for much of the country), hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes. Everything.

Holding up the bill for NY and NJ claiming that doing so is fiscal prudence is the height of fiscal recklessness.

My thought on seeing that tweet?

Because they're Americans too, you stupid, selfish bint!

111 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:32:04pm

re: #94 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I think Baba is like my husband, never sleeps and accomplishes much!

:0

I can make and save everything except money!

112 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:34:18pm

I know, I know I shouldn't be reading Bryan Fischer's Tweets but then what would I do for teh lulz?

113 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:35:20pm

Well, I have to brush a dog.

Have a great afternoon all!

114 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:35:49pm

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

I can make and save everything except money!

Yeah, you sound like my husband.

115 TedStriker  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:41:09pm

re: #14 ReamWorks SKG

People here won't like this, but it makes sense.

Taxing "the rich" alone won't solve our budget crisis. All the temporary tax cuts should have expired, and spending should have been trimmed. Cutting back charitable deductions--especially now that they're more expensive--is a reasonable way of protesting the inequity.

That's a bullshit argument and you know it.

If you give to charity because it's the right thing to do and not just for the tax writeoffs, you'd find a way to give whatever you could, without preconditions.

Your "protest" shows that your intentions are far from pure, just as with Fleischer.

116 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 1:44:40pm

I don't get this math, deficits increased by 4 trillion or 2.88 trillion compared to what exactly?

The fiscal cliff deal passed by the Senate Tuesday morning would increase deficits over the next decade by close to $4 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

But that's relative to where deficits would otherwise be if Congress were to let all the Bush tax cuts expire and keep much if not all of the other tax hikes and spending cuts under the fiscal cliff in place. Under that scenario, only $2.88 trillion would be added to the debt over the next decade.

So if they let all the tax cuts expire, allowed the automatic cuts to kick in, dropped unemployment extensions, dropped the payroll tax cut, etc. it still means an increase in the projected deficit? What the hell are they using for the projection?

117 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 2:09:27pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Inexcusable logic:

[Embedded content]

Memo to Rubin. We as a nation have never left states and people hit by natural disasters twist in the wind like this. You'd be setting a precedent that leads to nothing but bad things - primarily for the Southeast, West, and coastal regions.

It's politicizing every natural disaster going forward. Every drought declaration (think farm country - a drought ongoing for the past couple of years and threatens trade and commerce for much of the country), hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes. Everything.

Holding up the bill for NY and NJ claiming that doing so is fiscal prudence is the height of fiscal recklessness.

I know the next thread has just started, but I've got to respond to this before I go there.

Dear Ms. Rubin, I would like to introduce to the US constitution. In particular, two sections - my emphasis in both cases. First, the preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

And then Article I Section 8:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

118 Ming  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 2:51:25pm

Whenever I see Ari Fleischer on CNN, I immediately hit mute, then change the channel. Imagine rewording his tweet as follows: "I found homes for more stray cats and dogs in 2012. This deal limits my deductions so I, & many others, will likely find fewer homes for stray cats and dogs in 2013." What a piece of work.

119 S.D.  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 2:53:50pm

So in a nutshell: His 'charity' is only used when he has an advantage, nothing more.

IMO, that's an asshole.

120 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 3:21:16pm

If GOPers like Ari cut down their contributions to 501(c)(3) tax-exempt charitable organizations, then who will pay ALEC to write all the model legislation for Tea Party politicians?

121 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 3:47:53pm

What bothers me most about Fleischer's comment is the utter selfishness & lack of empathy it shows. He's very well off, yet rather than cutting back on some small personal luxury—e.g. buy less expensive bottles of wine, eat at less expensive restaurants, on the next family vacation fly coach instead of first class and stay at a 4-star hotel instead of a 5-star one, etc.—his first thought is to cut back on giving to those who are much less fortunate than him, those to whom charity can literally mean the difference between life & death.

But hey, if some sick kid has to go hungry or some family has to sleep in their car in the middle of winter so Ari Fucking Fleischer can maintain the level of luxury he's accustomed to, so what?

The guy is indeed a major douchebag.

122 Godisdeadandburied  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 6:30:07pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Forget about France and Holland; how would conservatives like it if the U.S. returned to the Eisenhower or Nixon era tax rates?

123 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:40:24am

Here's another suggestion for thoughtful gifting: if you have a friend or a family member who is unemployed, give them a gift card for Macy's or JCP or some other store that sells business attire, so they can have a nice interview outfit.

124 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:31:37am

re: #121 CuriousLurker

What bothers me most about Fleischer's comment is the utter selfishness & lack of empathy it shows. He's very well off, yet rather than cutting back on some small personal luxury—e.g. buy less expensive bottles of wine, eat at less expensive restaurants, on the next family vacation fly coach instead of first class and stay at a 4-star hotel instead of a 5-star one, etc.—his first thought is to cut back on giving to those who are much less fortunate than him, those to whom charity can literally mean the difference between life & death.

But hey, if some sick kid has to go hungry or some family has to sleep in their car in the middle of winter so Ari Fucking Fleischer can maintain the level of luxury he's accustomed to, so what?

The guy is indeed a major douchebag.

I changed my mind—it bothers me more that he didn't even have enough shame to STFU about it, but instead tweeted it to score some stupid political point.


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