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The Unceasing Apoplexy of Bryan Fischer: Fiscal Cliff Legislation Is ‘Vicious and Demonic’

Apoplexy, I say
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American Family Association caveman Bryan Fischer is extremely upset today about the victory of Satan’s demonic ideology. In other words, the usual. Take it away, Bryan.

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1 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:54:17pm

God, save me from your fan club.

2 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:56:06pm

Amazing that he doesn't hurt himself getting out of bed in the morning.

3 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:59:30pm

I have added so many new members to the Derp list that I haven't seen much of Bryan's umgebroyzeltkeit.

4 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:02:41pm

It is ugly, it is dark, it is vicious, and it is demonic.

I don't believe in demons. If I did, though, "ugly, dark, vicious and demonic" are just the words I might use to describe Fischer. I do believe in idiots, however.

5 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:06:06pm

Church Lady

6 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:19:04pm

re: #5 Gus

Church Lady

[Link: www.nbc.com...]

7 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:22:17pm

Nothing says 'sensible advocate for family issues' like raving like a crazy man about ho-hum bipartisan fiscal legislation being possessed by demons.

8 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:25:32pm

re: #6 TedStriker

[Link: www.nbc.com...]

1990

9 jaunte  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:26:49pm

Fischer's dad must have really hated Eisenhower.

10 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:32:04pm

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

I have added so many new members to the Derp list that I haven't seen much of Bryan's umgebroyzeltkeit.

Speaking of the Derp list, this was just posted without irony:

11 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:36:19pm

Nate Silver's disgruntled sister!

12 Belafon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:36:34pm

re: #10 Lidane

I think the irony meter lapped itself.

13 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:37:41pm

re: #10 Lidane

Speaking of the Derp list, this was just posted without irony:

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More projection than an IMAX theater.

14 Belafon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:38:03pm

re: #11 dragonath

Andrea: Nate made me spill my milk.
Nate: After running all of the simulations, there is only a 7.46% chance that I caused you to spill your milk.

15 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:39:28pm

re: #12 Belafon

I think the irony meter lapped itself.

That word, polemic, I do not think it means what she thinks it means. And the reply, oh how I wish it they could be silent.

[Sometimes only pedantry can save you from irony.]

16 aagcobb  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:40:17pm

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how the fiscal cliff deal was not a huge win for conservatives, despite their whining. They've wanted to make the Bush tax cuts permanent for a decade, and they got it. What did they give up in return? A two month delay in the sequestration. What will the President have to offer them in place of deep cuts in domestic spending? Nothing I can think of. Most of the GOP doesn't want defense cuts, but they want to replace that with even more domestic cuts than sequestration requires. Plus, they can play chicken with the debt limit again. Am I missing something?

17 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:41:54pm

re: #15 kirkspencer

That word, polemic, I do not think it means what she thinks it means. And the reply, oh how I wish it they could be silent.

[Sometimes only pedantry can save you from irony.]

Speaking of pedantry, let's not overlook "mute point."

18 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:44:16pm

re: #15 kirkspencer

That word, polemic, I do not think it means what she thinks it means. And the reply, oh how I wish it they could be silent.

[Sometimes only pedantry can save you from irony.]

Too bad their point isn't mute.
(The word is moot)

19 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:45:45pm

On a related note:

Freepers outline insurrection, talk about shooting cops and soldiers.
Gun confiscation: How will it start?

they’ll send notices to every permitholder to turn inthei guns by a specific date. then they would sent swat teams to those who do not comply. those who still refuse will be arrested. divide and conquor. those who offer resistance will be amde examples of, and shot onthe scene.
you might see ruby ridge ocurring all over... (SIC!)

I think that confiscation would almost immediately cause an event where LEOs are fired upon and probably killed. Then the state/fed gov. will overstep their bounds and guerrilla type tactics will be employed by citizens. Then we’ll see who’s talking and who’s walking. May God Bless America.

One freeper quotes from a 1999 nut-letter:

LESSON NO. 1: If a bureaucrat, or a soldier sent by a bureaucrat, comes to knock down your door and take you someplace you do not want to go because of who you are or what you think -- kill him. If you can, kill the politician who sent him. You will likely die anyway, and you will be saving someone else the same fate. For it is a universal truth that the intended victims always far outnumber the tyrant's executioners. Any nation which practices this lesson will quickly run out of executioners and tyrants.

I think civilians have more guns than the Army. It is illegal for the army to attack civilians. Confiscation will start with bullets hot and fast.

(Wrong, the army can attack civilians who take up arms against the government during a general insurrection. Civilians have more guns, true, but the army has a lot more really big guns, as well as bombs, missiles, armored vehicles, etc. Some yokel who thinks a .50 Barrett is an awesome weapon just has no clue what can be brought to bear.)

Of course, this is all a big steaming pile because confiscation isn't going to happen. The problem is that many of these half-baked guerrilla fighters equate registration or any new restrictions with confiscation. It is only a matter of time before some of them act out.

The nuts will have help and encouragement from an unlikely source: crackpot sheriffs who have bought into the idea that the local sheriff is the ultimate authority and therefore has veto power over all state and federal law enforcement actions. Sheriffs called out to fight the law (resisting gun confiscation)

This crazy notion is more prevalent than you might realize. A couple of years ago, a county attorney here in west Texas threatened to arrest ATF agents who had detonated confiscated explosives in the county without clearing it with the sheriff. When questioned about this, the CA repeated Sovereign Citizen talking points almost verbatim. A federal judge and some marshals took time out from prosecuting drug dealers and the like and traveled to the yokel's county seat to set him straight on legal principles he should have learned in high school government classes, let alone in law school.

20 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:51:52pm

Fischer is looking and sounding more like Senator Palpatine every day.

21 Belafon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:54:00pm

re: #16 aagcobb

The Republicans lost two things last night:
1. They voted for a tax increase. Yes, you could argue that voted for new tax cuts, but no one on the right will see it that way, except for maybe Grover, who is trying to remain relevant.
2. They violated the Hastert rule. Boehner can no longer argue that a bill has to be put to the floor only if a "majority of the majority" wants it.

As for what happens in two months, think of this:
1. Of the sequestration cuts, only the defense cuts are really cuts; the domestic cuts are mostly moving numbers around.
2. Not raising the debt ceiling will hurt businesses directly, and wall street because our credit rating will fall.

Which of those really looks like they are going to hurt Democrats politically?

22 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:54:18pm

re: #15 kirkspencer

That word, polemic, I do not think it means what she thinks it means. And the reply, oh how I wish it they could be silent.

[Sometimes only pedantry can save you from irony.]

Yep, just can't find their moot button.

23 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:55:11pm

Not sure if serious or just stupid:

24 Friend Cat  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:55:19pm

Follow the money. Environmentalism? Paying one's fair share of taxes? Freeing the slaves?

Way too expensive. Invoke Lucifer.

25 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:59:54pm

re: #23 Lidane

Not sure if serious or just stupid:

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Both.

26 aagcobb  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:00:40pm

re: #21 Belafon

The Republicans lost two things last night:
1. They voted for a tax increase. Yes, you could argue that voted for new tax cuts, but no one on the right will see it that way, except for maybe Grover, who is trying to remain relevant.
2. They violated the Hastert rule. Boehner can no longer argue that a bill has to be put to the floor only if a "majority of the majority" wants it.

As for what happens in two months, think of this:
1. Of the sequestration cuts, only the defense cuts are really cuts; the domestic cuts are mostly moving numbers around.
2. Not raising the debt ceiling will hurt businesses directly, and wall street because our credit rating will fall.

Which of those really looks like they are going to hurt Democrats politically?

Well, that sounds a lot better. I hope you are right. I just felt disappointed at how little the Democrats got in the fiscal cliff deal, though I'm very glad for the unemployed their benefits were extended.

27 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:02:28pm

re: #24 Friend Cat

Follow the money. Environmentalism? Paying one's fair share of taxes? Freeing the slaves?

Way too expensive. Invoke Lucifer.

He steamed right past Goodwin's Law..

28 jaunte  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:04:24pm

Fischer and the AFA have plenty of high profile support in the conservative mainstream.

Boehner, Cantor Back Family Research Council Campaign Against SPLC

A number of prominent Republicans have signed on to the Family Research Council’s “Start Debating, Stop Hating” campaign in response to a Southern Poverty Law Center report that labeled the Family Research Council a “hate group.”
.......
Ironically, the ad argues that “our debates can and must remain civil - but they must never be suppressed through personal assaults that aim only to malign an opponent’s character,” right after it refers to the SPLC as “the radical Left” that’s “spreading hateful rhetoric.”

The ad is undersigned by a number of leading Republican politicians, social conservative and mainstream alike: House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA), Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), Sen, Jim DeMint (R-SC), Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA), Rep. Steve King (R-IA), and even Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli.

The ad also says:
“The surest sign one is losing a debate is to resort to character assassination."

29 jaunte  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:05:38pm

re: #28 jaunte

Whoops, sorry, that's the FRC, not the AFA.

AFA is also listed by SPLC as an anti-gay hate group:
[Link: splcenter.org...]

30 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:06:44pm

re: #23 Lidane

Not sure if serious or just stupid:

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If Palin replaced Boehner, the democrats would be too weak from laughter to resist

WIN!!!!

31 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:07:35pm

I had to remove @MuffinAndElliot from the Derp list. It deserves a SuperDerp list all of its own, but it's making the other Derpers look too normal.

32 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:07:49pm

re: #20 Mich-again

Fischer is looking and sounding more like Senator Palpatine every day.

He's too stupid and too openly hateful to be analogous to Palpatine. Palpatine was always a hater and an anti-alien bigot, but he kept those ideas to himself until after he had become Emperor. He made sure to win the game (or at least he thought he'd won) before he started writing his hates into law.

33 Belafon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:09:00pm

re: #26 aagcobb

I do tend to be more optimistic, but I think of it this way: Without the deal, everyone's taxes would have gone up a lot, we would have lost the UI extension and all of the research credits, and milk would have gone up to $8. The status quo was anything but, it had to be fought for.

And Boehner didn't say "Fuck you" to Reid because he was feeling good.

34 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:09:01pm

Wondered what that screeching sound was, thought it might be somebody's transmission giving out or a cat being strangled. But no, it seems Pam Geller caught wind of the Al-Jazz acquisition of Current TV. Oddly enough, she seems sort of tame about it. Perhaps they upped the Thorazine dosage.

35 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:11:28pm

re: #31 Vicious Babushka

I had to remove @MuffinAndElliot from the Derp list. It deserves a SuperDerp list all of its own, but it's making the other Derpers look too normal.

Do it!

36 aagcobb  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:14:57pm

re: #33 Belafon

I do tend to be more optimistic, but I think of it this way: Without the deal, everyone's taxes would have gone up a lot, we would have lost the UI extension and all of the research credits, and milk would have gone up to $8. The status quo was anything but, it had to be fought for.

And Boehner didn't say "Fuck you" to Reid because he was feeling good.

There's still a part of me that is thinking that this is all a good cop, bad cop show that allowed McConnell to step in and make a deal that seems like a huge win for the GOP.

37 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:16:18pm

Interestingly enough- the 2003 Bush tax cuts passed by only ONE vote in the Senate.

Vote by Party Yes
Republicans 224
Democrats 7
Independents 0
Total 231 200
Not voting 4


Vote by Party Yea Nay
Republicans 48 3
Democrats 2 46
Independents 0 1
Total 50 50

Vice President Dick Cheney(R): Yes

Yeah, Bush and Gore were the same, huh.

38 Belafon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:17:53pm

re: #36 aagcobb

You could be right, but remember when it was the Democrats who had the herding cats problem and how weak it made them look even when they managed to get something passed?

39 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:18:53pm

re: #36 aagcobb

There's still a part of me that is thinking that this is all a good cop, bad cop show that allowed McConnell to step in and make a deal that seems like a huge win for the GOP.

So far, the only folks who seem to think it was a win for the GOP is...well, the GOP. Erick, Son of Erick, is over at Redstate declaring that the GOP either pushes the country into a default and keeps it there until Democrats scream for mercy, or else the whole lot up for reelection in '14 is going to get primaried.

40 bratwurst  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:19:27pm

Glenn Beck is crowing (via Twitter and his own website) over the fact that the Wall Street Journal has apparently reported that Al Gore and company had previously refused to sell Current TV to him on "ideological grounds". I would link the story, but I am too lazy to defeat the WSJ paywall for this purpose.

Setting aside the implications of this (how Gore prefers "terrorists" to Beck as some online comments already have it), didn't Beck claim that he would be more powerful NOT being on TV when he was booted from Fox?

41 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:22:04pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

Wondered what that screeching sound was, thought it might be somebody's transmission giving out or a cat being strangled. But no, it seems Pam Geller caught wind of the Al-Jazz acquisition of Current TV. Oddly enough, she seems sort of tame about it. Perhaps they upped the Thorazine dosage.

Give it time. This is big. It indicates the internal entrenchment of the Sharia-Caliphate within these here United States by the Moozlamic giant known as Al Jazeera!!

//

42 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:26:55pm

re: #16 aagcobb

The top rate on capital gains went back up the late Clinton era rate of 20%, a fair sight better than Bush's 5% and 15%. I don't know if any loopholes were closed.

If you dig around, wingers are going nuts about a 3.8% "Obamacare surcharge tax" effective January 1st and adding that percentage to capital gains.

43 aagcobb  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:27:18pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

So far, the only folks who seem to think it was a win for the GOP is...well, the GOP. Erick, Son of Erick, is over at Redstate declaring that the GOP either pushes the country into a default and keeps it there until Democrats scream for mercy, or else the whole lot up for reelection in '14 is going to get primaried.

You see, if I was as conspiratorial minded as many conservatives are, I would think he is playing bad cop.

44 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:30:27pm

re: #40 bratwurst

Glenn Beck is crowing (via Twitter and his own website) over the fact that the Wall Street Journal has apparently reported that Al Gore and company had previously refused to sell Current TV to him on "ideological grounds". I would link the story, but I am too lazy to defeat the WSJ paywall for this purpose.

Setting aside the implications of this (how Gore prefers "terrorists" to Beck as some online comments already have it), didn't Beck claim that he would be more powerful NOT being on TV when he was booted from Fox?

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With Beck who can be sure what he's thinking. That man's only real constants are his desire to remain 'in opposition' and his need for attention.

45 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:30:53pm

re: #42 dragonath

The new rates on capital gains will range from 0% and 15% on 90+% of taxpayers and 20 and 23.8% on the remainder - those who make over the $400/450 threshold, plus those who get hit with the 3.8% surcharge imposed to fund the health care reform.

So, the deal extends the Bush tax cuts for most Americans, but hikes it back to pre-2001 levels for a few people, and hikes it slightly higher for a fraction of those folks.

46 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:30:53pm

re: #17 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Speaking of pedantry, let's not overlook "mute point."

A Moo Point

47 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:32:25pm

does the fact that i covet bryan fischer's tears mean i am making dad mad

48 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:34:42pm

Thanks.

Also, found this press release from the White House:

Fact Sheet: The Tax Agreement

Restores the 39.6 percent rate for high-income households, as in the 1990s: The top rate would return to 39.6 percent for singles with incomes above $400,000 and married couples with incomes above $450,000.

Capital gains rates for high-income households return to Clinton-era levels: The capital gains rate would return to what it was under President Clinton, 20 percent. Counting the 3.8 percent surcharge from the Affordable Care Act, dividends and capital gains would be taxed at a rate of 23.8 percent for high-income households. These tax rates would apply to singles above $400,000 and couples above $450,000.

Reduced tax benefits for households making over $250,000 (for singles) and $300,000 (for couples): The agreement reinstates the Clinton-era limits on high-income tax benefits, the phaseout of itemized deductions (“Pease”) and the Personal Exemption Phaseout (“PEP”), for couples with incomes over $300,000 and singles with incomes over $250,000. These two provisions reduce tax benefits for high-income households. This sets the stage for future balanced approaches to deficit reduction, which could include additional revenue through tax reforms that reduce tax benefits for Americans making over $250,000.

Raises tax rates on the wealthiest estates: The agreement raises the tax rate on the wealthiest estates – worth upwards of $5 million per person – from 35 percent to 40 percent, in contrast to Republican proposals to continue the current estate tax levels.

49 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:34:47pm

re: #47 SpaceJesus

Only the penitent man shall pass, so do your Hail Marys and hoshanas and you're good to go. /

50 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:36:42pm

Breaking: another blue-state GOPer, after experiencing actual suffering, gets an inkling that his party's Randian, sociopathic philosophy doesn't work so well in reality:

Sen. Kirk says stroke changed perspective on Medicaid

Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) said his debilitating stroke has sparked a new interest in the experience of people on Medicaid.

In an interview published Wednesday, Kirk said that most Illinois residents insured through the low-income health program would be eligible for just 11 rehabilitation sessions following a stroke.

"Had I been limited to that I would have had no chance to recover like I did. So unlike before suffering the stroke, I’m much more focused on Medicaid and what my fellow citizens face," Kirk told the Chicago Sun Times.

51 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:38:31pm

re: #48 dragonath

Fidelity Investments put together a summary sheet for the various changes, including the tax rate and other tax provision changes:

Tax changes

Income tax rates. Permanently extends the lower tax rates as well as all of the other tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 for single filers with taxable incomes below $400,000 and joint filers with taxable incomes below $450,000. The top income tax rate will permanently increase from 35% to 39.6% (as scheduled under current law) for single filers with taxable incomes above $400,000 and joint filers with taxable incomes above $450,000.
Limits on exemptions and deductions for higher wage earners. Permanently reinstates the phase-out of personal exemptions (PEPs) and the limitation on itemized deductions (Pease) for single filers with adjusted gross income (AGI) above $250,000 and joint filers with AGI above $300,000.
Payroll tax. Restores the employee Social Security payroll tax contribution to 6.2% on income up to $113,700 in 2013. This payroll tax contribution had been temporarily reduced to 4.2%.
AMT (alternative minimum tax) patch. Permanently extends the AMT patch with annual inflation adjustments.
Estate and gift tax. Permanently extends the lifetime estate and gift tax exemption of $5.12 million (with annual inflation adjustments), but increases the top tax rate from 35% to 40%. Provisions for spousal portability and reunification of the estate and gift tax are also permanently extended.
Capital gains and dividends. Permanently extends the 0% and 15% tax rates for long-term capital gains and qualified dividends for single filers with taxable incomes below $400,000 and joint filers with taxable incomes below $450,000. The top rate will permanently increase to 20% for filers with taxable incomes above these thresholds.


The new 3.8% Medicare tax enacted under the healthcare law is not repealed and takes effect as scheduled in 2013. The new 3.8% tax applies to single filers with modified AGI above $200,000 and joint filers with modified AGI above $250,000. As a result, the tax law will include four different rates for long-term capital gains and qualified dividends depending on the investor’s modified AGI and taxable income: 0%, 15%, 18.8%, and 23.8%.

52 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:41:06pm

re: #50 Interesting Times

Breaking: another blue-state GOPer, after experiencing actual suffering, gets an inkling that his party's Randian, sociopathic philosophy doesn't work so well in reality:

Sen. Kirk says stroke changed perspective on Medicaid

I'm glad he's recovering, but I'm betting he'll change his tune on Medicaid as soon as the Tea Baggers try to primary him.

53 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:43:50pm

re: #52 Mattand

I'm glad he's recovering, but I'm betting he'll change his tune on Medicaid as soon as the Tea Baggers try to primary him.

Kirk (my rep) was always a loyal Republican, voting for everything the GOP ever put forward under Bush. Luckily, he never was a bagger. That said, I'm taking a Wait and See stance right now.

54 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:43:58pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

He's too stupid and too openly hateful to be analogous to Palpatine. Palpatine was always a hater and an anti-alien bigot, but he kept those ideas to himself until after he had become Emperor. He made sure to win the game (or at least he thought he'd won) before he started writing his hates into law.

////Also just to give the devil his due, if you grew up on Naboo where the only aliens nearby where gungans, wouldn't you be an anti alien bigot also?

55 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:51:41pm

re: #52 Mattand

I'm glad he's recovering, but I'm betting he'll change his tune on Medicaid as soon as the Tea Baggers try to primary him.

Like Toomey and Rubio, he's got 4 years before he has to face such a challenge. And also remember that Illinois is not Kentucky. A primary challenge from the looney right would be much less likely to succeed here.

56 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:53:41pm

re: #50 Interesting Times

Breaking: another blue-state GOPer, after experiencing actual suffering, gets an inkling that his party's Randian, sociopathic philosophy doesn't work so well in reality:

Sen. Kirk says stroke changed perspective on Medicaid

Sen. Kirk used the Rehabilitation Institute of Chicago, which is a truly world class facility. Members of my family have been patients there and I cannot speak highly enough about the care they received.

57 stabby  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:00:29pm

re: #2 lawhawk

Amazing that he doesn't hurt himself getting out of bed in the morning.

He gets his little dick caught in his zipper every morning. That's what makes Bryan Bryan.

58 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:06:16pm

He has like 3,000 followers on Twitter. Half of which are probably people left of center.

59 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:10:15pm

Just watching a local newscast of Sen. Kirk's return to work. One interesting note is that at one point he was close enough to death that he believes (and I think he's telling the truth) three angels visited him.

60 aagcobb  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:11:52pm

I can't calculate it, but it wouldn't surprise me if most of the rich made more money on the stock market today than the increased taxes will cost them.

61 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:12:46pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Just watching a local newscast of Sen. kirk's return to work. One interesting note is that at one point he was close enough to death that he believes (and I think he's telling the truth) three angels visited him.

The Legislative, Executive, and Judicial angels?

62 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:12:48pm

I was just getting ready to go to bed, but decided to check #ny before posting my last tweet of the day. This is what I saw.

It's actually two separate photos, but...LMAO *snort*

The day couldn't close on a more perfect note, heh.

G'nite, lizards. ;o)

63 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:13:12pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Just watching a local newscast of Sen. kirk's return to work. One interesting note is that at one point he was close enough to death that he believes (and I think he's telling the truth) three angels visited him.

They always come in 3's

3 angels
3 wise men
3 stooges

64 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:13:36pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Just watching a local newscast of Sen. kirk's return to work. One interesting note is that at one point he was close enough to death that he believes (and I think he's telling the truth) three angels visited him.

Ghosts of Medicaid Past, Medicaid Present, and Medicaid Future?

65 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:17:40pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Just watching a local newscast of Sen. kirk's return to work. One interesting note is that at one point he was close enough to death that he believes (and I think he's telling the truth) three angels visited him.

Larry, Curly, and Moe?

66 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:20:29pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

Larry, Curly, and Moe?

Not those three. He's a Senator, he mostly sees stooges in Washington or during fundraisers. :D

67 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:22:02pm

re: #61 Kronocide

The Legislative, Executive, and Judicial angels?

The Angels of Christmas Past, Christmas Present and Christmas Yet to Come.

ETA: Oops, missed #64

68 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:24:48pm
69 bratwurst  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:25:17pm
70 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:27:50pm

And since Floral is here, I can post a pic I've been wanting to post for a few days:

Image: article-0-16A9FE25000005DC-580_964x613.jpg

Full article is here.

71 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:29:10pm

re: #69 bratwurst

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72 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:35:41pm

When push comes to shove, we humans choose to take the money:


As Pheasants Disappear, Hunters in Iowa Follow

[...]

The pheasant, once king of Iowa’s nearly half-a-billion-dollar hunting industry, is vanishing from the state. Surveys show that the population in 2012 was the second lowest on record, 81 percent below the average over the past four decades.

The loss, pheasant hunters say, is both economic and cultural. It stems from several years of excessively damp weather and animal predators. But the factor inciting the most emotion is the loss of wildlife habitat as landowners increasingly chop down their brushy fields to plant crops to take advantage of rising commodity prices and farmland values.

Over the last two decades, Iowa has lost more than 1.6 million acres of habitat suitable for pheasants and other small game, the equivalent of a nine-mile-wide strip of land stretching practically the width of the state. And these declines have been occurring nationwide.

[...]

Damn the pheasants - we need more corn syrup to fatten our bellies and ethanol to to pour into our SUVs.

I remember as a kid watching (black and white) TV shows where the likes of Bing Crosby would be hunting pheasant in Iowa. Those were the days, when men were men, pheasants were plentiful, and sugar came from Brazil.

73 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:36:40pm

The unfortunate thing is that Sen. Kirk does support an 'assault weapons ban', but I knew he might support that. I'll send him a letter asking him to change his position, but I'm not going to be hostile about it. He's a good egg and I'm still glad I voted for him.

74 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:37:02pm

1.6 million acres. That's just a bit smaller than Yellowstone National Park.

75 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:39:28pm

re: #72 freetoken

When push comes to shove, we humans chose to take the money:

As Pheasants Disappear, Hunters in Iowa Follow

Damn the pheasants - we need more corn syrup to fatten our bellies and ethanol to to pour into our SUVs.

I remember as a kid watching (black and white) TV shows where the likes of Bing Crosby would be hunting pheasant in Iowa. Those were the days, when men were men, pheasants were plentiful, and sugar came from Brazil.

If you can can find a way to knock over the sugar industry, please tell me. It's a malefactor, but no one can afford to spend the political capital it would take to break their price supports.

76 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:41:06pm

re: #74 freetoken

1.6 million acres. That's just a bit smaller than Yellowstone National Park.

We gotta sell some National Parks.

77 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:42:24pm

LOL Now the NY Times changed the title. It's now, Al Jazeera Seeks a U.S. Voice Where Gore Failed

78 andres  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:45:57pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

The unfortunate thing is that Sen. Kirk does support an 'assault weapons ban', but I knew he might support that. I'll send him a letter asking him to change his position, but I'm not going to be hostile about it. He's a good egg and I'm still glad I voted for him.

What's so great about assault weapons in a civilian environment? I can understand hunting rifles, handguns, shotguns and other types of weapons, but assault weapons, especially those that are military grade?

79 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:46:30pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

If you can can find a way to knock over the sugar industry, please tell me. It's a malefactor, but no one can afford to spend the political capital it would take to break their price supports.

US tariffs on sugar imports mean that we pay twice the world market price for sugar. Sugar is a raw material used to make other products. It is counterproductive and just plain dumb to put tariffs on raw materials but not on the finished products that are made with that same raw material in another country. All that does is kill off the domestic businesses that use sugar as a raw material.

80 jaunte  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:51:39pm

re: #79 Mich-again

That's a lot of sugar.

Per capita deliveries of caloric sweeteners increased by 32 pounds, or 27 percent, from 1970 to 151.4 pounds in 1999. Since 1999, per capita sweetener deliveries decreased by 14.3 pounds to 137.1 pounds in 2008. Sugar and sweeteners have maintained a 36- to 40-percent share of the steadily growing U.S. per capita consumption of carbohydrates.
[Link: www.ers.usda.gov...]

81 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:52:01pm

re: #79 Mich-again

The corn state senators have made sure that Brazilian products are not going to compete with US corn-based products. That, and the small sugar-beet industry (which brings in Senators from the south) make sure we Americans buy most good ol' US sugar.

82 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:54:12pm

Sort of dissappointed in The Hobbit. Too long, and much of the feel of the movie comes off as too derivative of the earlier work.

83 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:54:45pm

But then again, well all know sequels, even if they are prequels, are not as good as the originals.

84 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:55:01pm

re: #72 freetoken

When push comes to shove, we humans choose to take the money:

As Pheasants Disappear, Hunters in Iowa Follow

Damn the pheasants - we need more corn syrup to fatten our bellies and ethanol to to pour into our SUVs.

I remember as a kid watching (black and white) TV shows where the likes of Bing Crosby would be hunting pheasant in Iowa. Those were the days, when men were men, pheasants were plentiful, and sugar came from Brazil.

I went pheasant hunting a few times back in the day

those suckers are good at ducking

85 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:56:21pm

re: #78 andres

What's so great about assault weapons in a civilian environment? I can understand hunting rifles, handguns, shotguns and other types of weapons, but assault weapons, especially those that are military grade?

They aren't military grade is the thing. Military weapons based on the AR-15 platform are full-automatic or three-round burst. As for large caliber rifles, they just aren't used by criminals. Normal pump-action shotguns are far more likely to be cut down and turned into a crime gun that a Barrett .50 cal.

86 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:56:57pm

re: #83 freetoken

But then again, well all know sequels, even if they are prequels, are not as good as the originals.

Think folks set expectations a little too high based upon the success of the previous three films.

87 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:57:28pm

For Fischer:

88 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:58:12pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

They aren't military grade is the thing. Military weapons based on the AR-15 platform are full-automatic or three-round burst. As for large caliber rifles, they just aren't used by criminals. Normal pump-action shotguns are far more likely to be cut down and turned into a crime gun that a Barrett .50 cal.

They are the weapon of choice for mass murderers

89 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:58:25pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

They aren't military grade is the thing. Military weapons based on the AR-15 platform are full-automatic or three-round burst. As for large caliber rifles, they just aren't used by criminals. Normal pump-action shotguns are far more likely to be cut down and turned into a crime gun that a Barrett .50 cal.

And you can get a photocopied guide to making them full auto at most gun shows. That should be banned for sure.

90 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:58:54pm

re: #81 freetoken

The corn state senators have made sure that Brazilian products are not going to compete with US corn-based products. That, and the small sugar-beet industry (which brings in Senators from the south) make sure we Americans buy most good ol' US sugar.

Corn state does include Illinois, by the way. the Land of Lincoln is second only to Iowa in corn production and one thing neither Mark Kirk nor Dick Durbin will do is challenge the ethanol and sugar rules that support corn growers.

91 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:00:02pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

They aren't military grade is the thing. Military weapons based on the AR-15 platform are full-automatic or three-round burst. As for large caliber rifles, they just aren't used by criminals. Normal pump-action shotguns are far more likely to be cut down and turned into a crime gun that a Barrett .50 cal.

They're also weapons that could just as easily be substituted by bolt or lever-action rifles of similar caliber.

92 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:02:09pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

They aren't military grade is the thing. Military weapons based on the AR-15 platform are full-automatic or three-round burst. As for large caliber rifles, they just aren't used by criminals. Normal pump-action shotguns are far more likely to be cut down and turned into a crime gun that a Barrett .50 cal.

A friend of mine in 7th grade was killed while shooting a semi-auto rifle with full auto capability and a large magazine. He dropped it and it somehow fired, went on full auto, and shot off the whole clip while jumping around on the ground. He took a gut wound in his lower stomach which pierced his diaphragm. He died a month later of an infection. He never regained consciousness.

I've kinda had my mind made up about gun control ever since then.

93 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:03:54pm

re: #89 Velvet Elvis

And you can get a photocopied guide to making them full auto at most gun shows. That should be banned for sure.

I'm afraid to even google that. I've never heard of such a thing, and as far as I'm aware you'd need a machine shop to make the alterations to the lower receiver, and that's even if you can get a hold of the required trigger parts.

And of course, gods help you if you ever get caught...

94 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:04:34pm

re: #89 Velvet Elvis

And you can get a photocopied guide to making them full auto at most gun shows. That should be banned for sure.

You can't ban the guides, its been tried and the bans don't survive a 1st Amendment challenge. The Supreme Court has been very consistent on that point, subjecting any kind of restrictions on speech to Strict Scrutiny, which means that the presumption is that the restriction is unconstitutional.

As for those guides, most of them are out of date. Firearms manufacturers have changed their designs to make the types of conversions depicted impossible. Illegal conversion are bad for business and a gun that is easily converted cannot be manufactured (per federal regulations).

95 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:07:31pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

They're also weapons that could just as easily be substituted by bolt or lever-action rifles of similar caliber.

That is irrelevant. The question in this country is never "why should a person be allowed to own that?", instead it is "Why should a person be restricted from owning that?" The bias is to be against regulation, for we are citizens who are capable of making our own decisions.

96 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:08:04pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

And since Floral is here, I can post a pic I've been wanting to post for a few days:

Image: article-0-16A9FE25000005DC-580_964x613.jpg

Full article is here.

Giggles, I'm sneaky that way!
Hope you are off to a great start in the new year!
*waves to the Lizards!

97 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:08:14pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

As for those guides, most of them are out of date. Firearms manufacturers have changed their designs to make the types of conversions depicted impossible. Illegal conversion are bad for business and a gun that is easily converted cannot be manufactured (per federal regulations).

and nobody sells old guns in pawn shops or on the net. nope. doesn't happen. Those guns that can be converted to full auto aren't hoarded by "collectors" nope. Doesn't happen.

There should be no such thing as a "gun collector." That's like hoarding human skulls. It's vile.

98 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:09:09pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

That is irrelevant. The question in this country is never "why should a person be allowed to own that?", instead it is "Why should a person be restricted from owning that?" The bias is to be against regulation, for we are citizens who are capable of making our own decisions.

Why should they be restricted? Such rifles don't serve a legitimate purpose that couldn't be filled by a manual-action rifle.

99 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:10:05pm

re: #93 Pawn of the Oppressor

I'm afraid to even google that. I've never heard of such a thing, and as far as I'm aware you'd need a machine shop to make the alterations to the lower receiver, and that's even if you can get a hold of the required trigger parts.

And of course, gods help you if you ever get caught...

Just owning such parts and a compatible lower receiver is 'constructive possession' in the eyes of the ATF. Penalty is 5-10 years in prison.

Conversion of semi-auto weapons to full auto was once an issue, but it is not an issue anymore.

100 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:10:46pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

Why should they be restricted? Such rifles don't serve a legitimate purpose that couldn't be filled by a manual-action rifle.

I'd be happy with banning clips larger than 3-4 bullets for a rifle and six for a handgun. Revolvers are more reliable anyway.

101 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:11:06pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

Why should they be restricted? Such rifles don't serve a legitimate purpose that couldn't be filled by a manual-action rifle.

Target shooting, home defense, and small game hunting are not legitimate purposes?

102 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:12:11pm

re: #97 Velvet Elvis

For that insult to law abiding collectors you can have a downding.

103 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:13:51pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

Target shooting, home defense, and small game hunting are not legitimate purposes?

Of those, which could not be filled by a manual-action rifle?

104 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:13:55pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

Target shooting, home defense, and small game hunting are not legitimate purposes?

Target shooting is a hobby. It's keeping a killing machine to use as a toy.

If you can't hit a home invader with six shots, you don't need to own a gun. Why keeps an assault rife to use for personal protection anyway? A handgun is much better suited to the task.

Small game hunting? Shotgun.

105 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:17:01pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

That is irrelevant. The question in this country is never "why should a person be allowed to own that?", instead it is "Why should a person be restricted from owning that?" The bias is to be against regulation, for we are citizens who are capable of making our own decisions.

I'll just leave this here...

(and yes, that's an actual screenshot of tweets that appeared exactly in that order in my timeline)

106 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:19:19pm

Too bad John Boehner didn't land a part in Les Miserables. I could see him singing his own version of "Speaker in the House".

Welcome my pawns,
Sit yourself down
And meet the best House Speaker in town
As for those Dems
All of them crooks
Rooking the taxpayers
cooking the books
Seldom do you see
Honest men like me
A gent of good intent
Who's content to be...

Speaker of the House
Doling out the charm
Ready with a handshake
And an open palm
Tells a whopper lie
Fakes a little stir
Teabaggers appreciate a bon viveur!
Glad to do the Kochs a favor
Doesn't cost me to be nice!
But nothing gets you nothing, everything has got a hefty price.

Speaker of the House
Keeper of the zoo
Ready to present an ALEC Bill or two.
Listen to me whine, Spewing out the hate
Sneaking in my earmarks
When they can't see straight
Everybody loves a wing nut
Everybody's Uncle Paul
I do whatever pleases Jesus,
Gonna make Obama fall..

107 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:22:49pm

Eventually there has to come a time when we as a nation ask where the need for public safety takes precedent over the right to be an idiot. Because if that right is inalienable, then all efforts to ensure public safety can be overridden by the argument that one has a right to gamble not only with his life, but the lives of those around him.

108 JAFO  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:23:57pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

They aren't military grade is the thing. Military weapons based on the AR-15 platform are full-automatic or three-round burst. As for large caliber rifles, they just aren't used by criminals. Normal pump-action shotguns are far more likely to be cut down and turned into a crime gun that a Barrett .50 cal.

LOL at the thought of a sawed-off Barrett .50. It'd still be three and a half feet long.

109 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:24:17pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Eventually there has to come a time when we as a nation ask where the need for public safety takes precedent over the right to be an idiot. Because if that right is inalienable, then all efforts to ensure public safety can be overridden by the argument that one has a right to gamble not only with his life, but the lives of those around him.

Does the right to keep and bear arms take precedence over the right to keep and bear children? The NRA says hells yes.

110 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:24:24pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

A responsible gun owner is not 'gambling with other people's lives', nor is he being an idiot..

111 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:25:05pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

A responsible gun owner is not 'gambling with other people's lives', nor is he being an idiot..

Nancy Lanza was a "responsible gun owner," til her son put four in her head with her own rifle.

112 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:26:21pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

A responsible gun owner is not 'gambling with other people's lives', nor is he being an idiot..

Should responsible private gun owners get background checks before selling a gun even if the law does not require it?

113 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:26:44pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

Nancy Lanza was a "responsible gun owner," til her son put four in her head with her own rifle.

Was she now? I wasn't aware that the details needed to determine that had been released to the public.

/sarc

114 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:28:47pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Was she now? I wasn't aware that the details needed to determine that had been released to the public.

/sarc

Is that the defense now? "We don't know all the facts"? How about Jacob Roberts, who stole his buddy's rifle, loaded magazines, and tactical vest? Was his buddy a "responsible gun owner"?

115 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:30:54pm

re: #112 Mich-again

Should responsible private gun owners get background checks before selling a gun even if the law does not require it?

Yes. Mechanisms should be put in place to route all firearms sales through the National Instant Check System (NICS). The one concession I make to Newtown is that I originally favored an exception for transfer within a family. I no longer favor such an exception; A hunting rifle bought for a brother's birthday needs to go through (NICS).

116 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:31:32pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

Is that the defense now? "We don't know all the facts"? How about Jacob Roberts, who stole his buddy's rifle, loaded magazines, and tactical vest? Was his buddy a "responsible gun owner"?

I do not know who that is.

117 bratwurst  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:32:13pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

The one concession I make to Newtown is that I originally favored an exception for transfer within a family. I no longer favor such an exception; A hunting rifle bought for a brother's birthday needs to go through (NICS).

Wow, that only took 20 dead children!

118 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:32:31pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

I do not know who that is.

That would be the fellow who shot up Clackamas Town Center several days before Lanza in Newtown. The one who blew his brains out after the rifle jammed.

119 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:33:05pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

A responsible gun owner is not 'gambling with other people's lives', nor is he being an idiot..

A "responsible gun owner" would have a gun safe. I think they should be mandatory for all gun owners.

120 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:33:27pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

That would be the fellow who shot up Clackamas Town Center several days before Lanza in Newtown. The one who blew his brains out after the rifle jammed.

How did his friend store his rifle and gear? How was the theft accomplished?

121 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:33:47pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

How did his friend store his rifle and gear? How was the theft accomplished?

See, now we're in "No True Scotsman" territory.

122 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:36:42pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Yes. Mechanisms should be put in place to route all firearms sales through the National Instant Check System (NICS). The one concession I make to Newtown is that I originally favored an exception for transfer within a family. I no longer favor such an exception; A hunting rifle bought for a brother's birthday needs to go through (NICS).

That opinion will get you removed from the NRA's Christmas card list that's for sure. Here is a question.. What if a rightful gun owner passes away and their will says to give all of their guns to a violent relative who wouldn't be allowed to buy them from a store or a gun dealer. Does the law have anything to say about that?

123 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:37:01pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

See, now we're in "No True Scotsman" territory.

No, we're not. You asked if someone was responsible. I replied with a request for information in order to make the determination. One cannot say whether someone was or was not responsible if one does not know what actions that person took.

124 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:38:20pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

So what actions should a true Scotsman "responsible gun owner" take?

125 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:39:27pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

No, we're not. You asked if someone was responsible. I replied with a request for information in order to make the determination. One cannot say whether someone was or was not responsible if one does not know what actions that person took.

He did not have the guns locked up and Roberts stole them while staying over for the night.

126 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:40:17pm

re: #119 Velvet Elvis

A "responsible gun owner" would have a gun safe. I think they should be mandatory for all gun owners.

Okay, but if someone has a collection of guns locked up in a safe but there is a break in and a hostage situation and the criminal is saying "Open the safe or they die" my guess is that the criminal gets the guns just about every time.

I think you can make it difficult, but you can not prevent the guns in your house from getting into the wrong hands.

127 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:41:03pm

re: #122 Mich-again

That opinion will get you removed from the NRA's Christmas card list that's for sure. Here is a question.. What if a rightful gun owner passes away and their will says to give all of their guns to a violent relative who wouldn't be allowed to buy them from a store or a gun dealer. Does the law have anything to say about that?

I'm not a lawyer with experience in such a matter, so I stress that my answer should not be seen a definitive. With that disclaimer given, it is my understanding that an executor has an obligation not to transfer a firearm to someone who is prohibited from owning one. Thus if the relative had been convicted of beating his girlfriend, the executor would be obligated not to transfer the firearms, regardless of what the will said. I do not know if an executor is obligated to use the NICS.

128 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:41:42pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Fair enough..

129 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:42:46pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

He did not have the guns locked up and Roberts stole them while staying over for the night.

Then he was not responsible. If the guns did not have trigger locks at a minimum, then he did not act responsibly.

130 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:43:20pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

Then he was not responsible. If the guns did not have trigger locks at a minimum, then he did not act responsibly.

I rest my case.

131 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:45:52pm

re: #126 Mich-again

Okay, but if someone has a collection of guns locked up in a safe but there is a break in and a hostage situation and the criminal is saying "Open the safe or they die" my guess is that the criminal gets the guns just about every time.

I think you can make it difficult, but you can not prevent the guns in your house from getting into the wrong hands.

Isn't this true of any sworn law enforcement officer that has family? And in that scenario the odds are high of putting a fully automatic rifle on the streets.

Seems like this argument logically leads to the only responsible gun owner being a disaffected loner that doesn't have so much as a dog to hold hostage.

132 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:50:10pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Isn't this true of any sworn law enforcement officer that has family? And in that scenario the odds are high of putting a fully automatic rifle on the streets.

Seems like this argument logically leads to the only responsible gun owner being a disaffected loner that doesn't have so much as a dog to hold hostage.

Quoted for Truth.

And the disaffected loner is the person who most people would think most likely to do something wrong themselves.

133 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:52:03pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

Wayne LaPierre completely missed the mark by calling for armed guards in schools in the wake of Newtown instead of making a plea for all responsible gun owners across the country to secure the firearms they own and if they can't secure them in their house then to store them somewhere else where they would be secure. Heck, he missed the side of the barn with his idiotic reaction. Guns are inherently unsafe and nothing is more important to preserving 2nd Amendment rights than for rightful gun owners to demonstrate they can be trusted to secure firearms they own. Instead he came off as a raging lunatic with his pitch for MOAR GUNZ!

134 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:52:53pm

re: #104 Velvet Elvis

Small game hunting? Shotgun.

Not if you plan to eat it, and if you're calling it game then that's ostensibly the point of the exercise. .22 LR is the way to go, and a semi auto allows for a humane fast follow up if necessary.

135 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:59:45pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Isn't this true of any sworn law enforcement officer that has family? And in that scenario the odds are high of putting a fully automatic rifle on the streets.

Seems like this argument logically leads to the only responsible gun owner being a disaffected loner that doesn't have so much as a dog to hold hostage.

I'm just pointing out that not even a gun safe can truly secure a gun in the house. You can reduce the probability that it will end up in the wrong hands, but you can not eliminate the possibility.

136 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:01:53pm

re: #135 Mich-again

I'm just pointing out that not even a gun safe can truly secure a gun in the house. You can reduce the probability that it will end up in the wrong hands, but you can not eliminate the possibility.

Hell, better thought experiment: Whose hands are the "wrong hands"? In the hypothetical situation where I am a "responsible gun owner" and use trigger locks, a gun safe, keep the ammunition in another location, etc...yet I still get my handgun and shoot a neighbor...are my hands the "wrong hands"?

137 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:02:21pm

re: #135 Mich-again

I'm just pointing out that not even a gun safe can truly secure a gun in the house. You can reduce the probability that it will end up in the wrong hands, but you can not eliminate the possibility.

But that's true of anything that can be used to harm someone. The test is "Was a reasonable standard of care exercised?"

138 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:03:19pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

Hell, better thought experiment: Whose hands are the "wrong hands"? In the hypothetical situation where I am a "responsible gun owner" and use trigger locks, a gun safe, keep the ammunition in another location, etc...yet I still get my handgun and shoot a neighbor...are my hands the "wrong hands"?

A person ceases to be responsible when they decide to commit a crime.

139 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:06:02pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

A person ceases to be responsible when they decide to commit a crime.

Then short of developing precognitive law enforcement officers, we must live with the reality that there are scores of "responsible gun owners" who are a bad day away from killing their fellow man.

140 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:07:36pm

re: #81 freetoken

The corn state senators have made sure that Brazilian products are not going to compete with US corn-based products. That, and the small sugar-beet industry (which brings in Senators from the south) make sure we Americans buy most good ol' US sugar.

The Brazilians just convert it into ethanol and sell it to us in that form.

141 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:07:41pm

A ten round capacity limit on magazines is simple and easy to comply with. I'm set up for that, would only have to surrender the three fifteen round mags I have grandfathered in from before the California ban went into effect. I have a few twenty five rounders for the Ruger 10/22 stashed with family in Washington State in case I ever move back, but I'd be fine if I had to part with them too.

The six round limit some people here like to talk about is a different matter. It would require me to surrender or modify dozens of magazines for different guns, several of which are valuable C&R / Antiques with internal wells, and depending on how the ban is worded could require permanent alterations by a gunsmith.

I support a ten round national limit on everything except tubular mag lever action rimfires. I'm also for having all semi-autos, rifles and pistols fall under the NFA, require a moderate ATF tax stamp for transfer. I'd also include ultra compact revolvers in the above proposal.

142 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:07:43pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

But that's true of anything that can be used to harm someone. The test is "Was a reasonable standard of care exercised?"

The reasonable standard of care is a sliding scale. A kitchen knife or a hammer is different than an AR-15 with a 30 round clip.

143 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:10:20pm

re: #135 Mich-again

I'm just pointing out that not even a gun safe can truly secure a gun in the house. You can reduce the probability that it will end up in the wrong hands, but you can not eliminate the possibility.

My gun safe has a silent alarm function. I spent a shitload on that fucker.

144 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:10:29pm

re: #142 Mich-again

The reasonable standard of care is a sliding scale. A kitchen knife or a hammer is different than an AR-15 with a 30 round clip.

No one disputes that statement, not even Wayne LaPierre.

145 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:10:54pm

Speaking of religious nut job apoplexy, over on Conservapedia "in the News" column on the front page, they have this entry:

Homosexuality is reportedly on the increase in Kabwe, Zambia and residents have called on police to curb the vice. Night club owners are being asked to bar a group of known sodomites from entering their premises before people’s morals are compromised.[9]

Thank God for efforts to get at one of the root causes of rebellion to Scripture. [10]

Yes, these conservatives would be quite satisfied if some dictator sent gays to the gallows.

146 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:11:38pm

re: #140 Feline Fearless Leader

The Brazilians just convert it into ethanol and sell it to us in that form.

But not at free market prices, our Congress sees to that.

147 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:13:29pm

re: #145 freetoken

Conservapedia is my favorite comedy website next to Failblog.

148 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:14:21pm

re: #145 freetoken

I'm afraid they will probably die from extreme blows to the cranium before the Gallows.

149 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:15:45pm

Twinkie maker Hostess started contingency planning for liquidation months before strike

Hostess Brands Inc. began contingency planning for a liquidation more than a year before irate bakers went on strike, court records show.

The bankrupt Irving-based snack maker has consistently said that a strike by the bakers — members of its second-largest union — pushed it into liquidation mode. The bakers have countered that the company’s woes predate the strike.

Clearly, planning for a possible liquidation predates the strike and even predates union votes in the fall on the company’s last best and final offer.

150 bratwurst  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:16:40pm

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

I appreciate hearing from a collector who is willing to make compromises, and is also able to explain the problem with something like a six round limit without insulting me for my lack of gun knowledge.

151 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:16:45pm

re: #149 Amory Blaine

That's why they lined the pockets of the management first.

152 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:17:38pm

Vanity Fair looks peeks into the world of abortion-politics:

The Commoditization of Career Abortion Icon Norma McCorvey, a.k.a. Jane Roe of Roe v. Wade

153 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:18:36pm

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

Ah, gdf. I knew you were beneficial, such a bridge to the ammunition culture!

154 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:19:58pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

My gun safe has a silent alarm function. I spent a shitload on that fucker.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

155 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:20:35pm

I could just sell all the guns I inherited and be down to just a few, but I have trust issues and don't know that many people I'm absolutely positive I wouldn't regret providing with a firearm.

156 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:21:29pm

re: #149 Amory Blaine

Twinkie maker Hostess started contingency planning for liquidation months before strike

I'm not surprised. However, the union that decided to strike should have been wise enough to realize they were on the edge anyway.

IOW, if you find yourself walking on a ledge, even if the ledge is not of your design or plan, you've still got to be careful about falling off.

It's not a new idea, and its had plenty of bad press, but I think the idea of employees (whether via unions or individually) owning part of a company has merit, to try and avoid cases like this.

157 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:22:13pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

I could just sell all the guns I inherited and be down to just a few, but I have trust issues and don't know that many people I'm absolutely positive I wouldn't regret providing with a firearm.

Can I be in your zombie brigade! I can cook!

158 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:24:30pm

World War Z ~ [Link: www.worldwarzmovie.com...]

159 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:27:13pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

I did sell all of the guns I inherited, because they were my Uncles special things, his pride & joys, and they weren't things I wanted to own, but they meant enough to him, that I didn't want them melted either.

160 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:30:01pm

re: #157 prairiefire

Can I be in your zombie brigade! I can cook!

It'd be better if you owned a Barrett and had plenty of ammo for it. A .50 cal rifle would be an excellent positional defense weapon against zombies. The bullet's velocity ensures that a hit to the cranium will generate a shockwave that will completely destroy the zombie's brain, while the round's velocity and striking power give it a good chance to hit a second zombie behind the first and damage it seriously. It's semi-auto with a powerful recoil, ensuring shots will not be wasted.

/Just a bit of analysis.

161 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:32:10pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

I do have a straight arm and can stare down a scope when need be. Pulling the trigger won't be a hiccup, my dear.

162 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:32:53pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

It'd be better if you owned a Barrett and had plenty of ammo for it. A .50 cal rifle would be an excellent positional defense weapon against zombies. The bullet's velocity ensures that a hit to the cranium will generate a shockwave that will completely destroy the zombie's brain, while the round's velocity and striking power give it a good chance to hit a second zombie behind the first and damage it seriously. It's semi-auto with a powerful recoil, ensuring shots will not be wasted.

/Just a bit of analysis.

Useless if you're on the move, and overkill even from a well-defended position.

163 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:33:33pm

re: #158 prairiefire

World War Z ~ [Link: www.worldwarzmovie.com...]

Let me guess - "Z" as in "Zombie" and not "Zorro".

164 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:34:47pm

Everything comes with a price:


China boom savages coral reefs: study

China's economic boom has seen its coral reefs shrink by at least 80 percent over the past 30 years, a joint Australian study found, with researchers describing "grim" levels of damage and loss.

[...]

165 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:34:51pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Useless if you're on the move, and overkill even from a well-defended position.

Overkill if it hits just one. The second may not be terminated, but it'll be knocked down and damaged, making it a lesser threat and probably an easier target.

166 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:35:28pm

re: #158 prairiefire

World War Z ~ [Link: www.worldwarzmovie.com...]

Ugh, I'm trying hard to act as though that doesn't exist. Hollywood and its penchant for destroying good books.

167 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:35:39pm

re: #163 freetoken

Yes, the CGI is sped up for the film.

168 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:36:21pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Overkill if it hits just one. The second may not be terminated, but it'll be knocked down and damaged, making it a lesser threat and probably an easier target.

All you do is turn a sea of shambling corpses into a minefield. Is that one dead or did you just take off its legs? Did that one just move or was the body settling?

169 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:37:09pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

It still does not look as good as Will Smith's "I Am Legend".

170 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:39:41pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

All you do is turn a sea of shambling corpses into a minefield. Is that one dead or did you just take off its legs? Did that one just move or was the body settling?

A minefield, though, is stationary. A mass of zombies who are disabled or have been trapped can be disposed of with explosive charges. A zombie minefield just means its time to build some Bangalore Torpedoes.

171 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:41:46pm

Echo & the Bunnymen ~

172 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:44:34pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

A minefield, though, is stationary. A mass of zombies who are disabled or have been trapped can be disposed of with explosive charges. A zombie minefield just means its time to build some Bangalore Torpedoes.

So you spend an hour pulping a few dozen zombies with rounds from your Barrett. Besides the definite kills, others have had limbs taken off, but are still mobile and still capable of biting you. Meanwhile, the report from every round you fired off has attracted zeds from blocks, if not miles, away. Instead of dealing with what might have been a small crowd, you've now drawn a horde to you from all directions.

173 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:46:35pm

Here's just one of the difficulties inherent to a six round limit. What do you do with something like a Johnson 1941? It has an internal ten round rotary magazine. You could try to weld in plugs somehow but that would permanently damage the feeding mechanism and likely make disassembly a real problem, and the law can't exactly rely on an owner always loading four snap caps first.

The best answer is probably just exempt it by name, since it's a rare WWII era antique that was never issued in many numbers to begin with. Surviving guns go today for at least $5K each, and that number would probably double if it becomes a named exemption. But if we make an exemption for it are we also going to make exemptions for other internal magazine designs like Garands or hundred year old SMLEs and C96 Mausers? If we go down this route eventually we're going to want to identify a practical cutoff between legitimate collector's antiques and current, non-bullet button design California legal assault weapons that have to be taken apart to be reloaded.

It's a messy proposition, and along the way you're going to alienate a lot of otherwise reasonable gun owners who actually want to see stricter gun control enacted. Eventually you may get your six round limit, and if the strategy is to talk about it now in order to compromise on ten, fine, I understand that. But if you actually believe that we're going to, or even should, jump from the current state of law to a national six round limit, I think you're overreaching.

174 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:50:11pm

re: #172 Targetpractice

So you spend an hour pulping a few dozen zombies with rounds from your Barrett. Besides the definite kills, others have had limbs taken off, but are still mobile and still capable of biting you. Meanwhile, the report from every round you fired off has attracted zeds from blocks, if not miles, away. Instead of dealing with what might have been a small crowd, you've now drawn a horde to you from all directions.

Kragar's idea of dropping cabled weights from a high wall is the winner. On the move you want suppressed .22 lr subsonics.

175 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:51:51pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

Kragar's idea of dropping cabled weights from a high wall is the winner. On the move you want suppressed .22 lr subsonics.

Assuming I could find one and plenty of ammunition for it, I'd bet on an old M1 Carbine.

176 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:53:41pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

Not if you plan to eat it, and if you're calling it game then that's ostensibly the point of the exercise. .22 LR is the way to go, and a semi auto allows for a humane fast follow up if necessary.

Bah.

I grew up grinding my teeth on birdshot in quail.

177 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:55:33pm

I see my awesomeness continues.

178 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:55:50pm

I think we should have a cash for guns and ammo program in place in large urban areas, with a goal of at least a 35% sweep up.

179 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:57:33pm

re: #178 prairiefire

I think we should have a cash for guns and ammo program in place in large urban areas, with a goal of at least a 35% sweep up.

I'd not give mine up and I'd actively encourage any friends against it as well.

180 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:59:17pm

re: #177 Kragar

I see my awesomeness continues.

Of COURSE it does, dearie!
LOL!

181 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:03:03pm

re: #173 goddamnedfrank

Here's just one of the difficulties inherent to a six round limit. What do you do with something like a Johnson 1941? It has an internal ten round rotary magazine. You could try to weld in plugs somehow but that would permanently damage the feeding mechanism and likely make disassembly a real problem, and the law can't exactly rely on an owner always loading four snap caps first.

What reason do you have to own such a thing? As I said earlier, there should be no such thing as a "gun collector." A firearm owner should be able to justify the need for every firearm they own. "They look pretty and go 'bang' real loud" isn't a good enough reason to be able to keep weapons of mass murder in circulation.

182 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:05:55pm

re: #181 Velvet Elvis

I don't agree with that at all. It creates yet more of government deciding what a 'good reason' is for citizens to exercise their rights.

183 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:07:11pm

re: #181 Velvet Elvis

What reason do you have to own such a thing? As I said earlier, there should be no such thing as a "gun collector." A firearm owner should be able to justify the need for every firearm they own.

Well, I guess that is analogous to those who have outlawed what I, when I was kid, used to be able to get for my chemistry set, which are today considered too poisonous (yet if handled properly are not.)

184 biorabbi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:07:19pm

re: #16 aagcobb

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how the fiscal cliff deal was not a huge win for conservatives, despite their whining. They've wanted to make the Bush tax cuts permanent for a decade, and they got it. What did they give up in return? A two month delay in the sequestration. What will the President have to offer them in place of deep cuts in domestic spending? Nothing I can think of. Most of the GOP doesn't want defense cuts, but they want to replace that with even more domestic cuts than sequestration requires. Plus, they can play chicken with the debt limit again. Am I missing something?

I consider myself a non-bat-shit crazy economic conservative and I consider the fiscal deal a strong win for non-bat-shit crazy conservatives. Tax cuts made permanent for all those under almost 500 K; am I missing something? with a chance to revisit a grand bargain later for cutting the size of government. In Obama's post game speech yesterday, he essentially invited a further grand bargain solution, admitting the size of government has to be sensibly cut. I second your questioning of am I missing something.

I used to think the nutty opposition was based on race, but that ain't it. It goes much deeper. Obama's generation itself is kind of being attacked. The opposition is part generation based... ie America's greatest generation is dying off and Obama represents some horrific failure of this generation, the whole marxist shtick of the tea party, but I also think they hate the fact he's kind of an relatively unemotional guy with a strong erudition. This taps into the dumbing down of America and the perverse love for Palin by the same crowd. They like the fact she's an idiot.

I think if Obama were more of an idiot, the tea party might like him better. So, Obama's eduction is a strike against him(Ivy League, President of Law Review). And the fact that the overwhelming percentage of W's tax cuts are permanent get tossed under the bus. Kind of sad and disgusting. The republicans threw out my old senator in Indiana... Lugar for being too smart, way too smart actually, and sane. These were his two sins.

185 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:08:27pm

re: #184 biorabbi

Raise taxes.

186 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:08:43pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

GDF, I have faith in your judgment. The one time I held a gun, I trembled so much as too render it useless. I don't think it was loaded anyway.

187 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:11:37pm

re: #185 freetoken

Raise taxes.

Yes, raise taxes.

188 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:11:45pm

re: #186 prairiefire

I had to search Uncle's house to find the weapons, once the family moved him to an Alzheimers care facility. Room by room. I knew there were a LOT of weapons, but I didn't know how many. Once I had searched every inch of the house, I needed to secure the weapons. And unload them all. God Bless, the instruction manuals were there. I mean honestly, how would I know if the red or the black button meant it was off? It was a REALLY bad day in my life, but it had to be done, and I got it done.

189 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:11:54pm

Wisconsin Tea Party Republican legislator and religious nutcase Glenn Grothman, last seen attempting to classify non-marital parenthood as child abuse and neglect, is at it again. This time, he's decided to go the racist route, and is looking to ban the African-American holiday Kwanzaa.

Wisconsin GOP Legislator Boldly Asks, ‘Why Must We Still Hear About Kwanzaa?’

Glenn Grothman, a Wisconsin state senator since 2005, proclaimed in a press release late last week that Kwanzaa, the holiday designed to give blacks their own Christmas and Hanukkah equivalent, is nothing but a left-wing scam to divide blacks and whites. Because what better way to begin the new year than with some good and very old fashioned race baiting? Here's an excerpt from Grothman's release:

Of course, almost no black people today care about Kwanzaa—just white left-wingers who try to shove this down black people's throats in an effort to divide Americans. Irresponsible public school districts such as Green Bay and Madison (and who knows how many others, see links below) try to tell a new generation that blacks have a separate holiday than Christians. Waring Fincke, left-wing West Bend lawyer and vice chair of the Washington County Democratic Party, encouraged people to learn more about Kwanzaa in a column in July. Fortunately, almost all black people ignore Waring Fincke and his ilk and their efforts to divide Americans.

The West Bend Republican calls for an end to Kwanzaa, which he describes as a fake holiday aimed at dividing blacks and whites.

190 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:17:51pm

re: #189 RadicalModerate

Wisconsin Tea Party Republican legislator and religious nutcase Glenn Grothman, last seen attempting to classify non-marital parenthood as child abuse and neglect, is at it again. This time, he's decided to go the racist route, and is looking to ban the African-American holiday Kwanzaa.

Wisconsin GOP Legislator Boldly Asks, ‘Why Must We Still Hear About Kwanzaa?’

The West Bend Republican calls for an end to Kwanzaa, which he describes as a fake holiday aimed at dividing blacks and whites.

What a tool.

191 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:26:00pm

For a good laugh check out WND.

There top pushed article is DEATH PANELS!!, and the second article is... "NOW RADIO WAVES COMING FROM YOUR FAUCET?"

Bwahahaha...

I wonder if the radio waves will interact with the fluoride in some yet unknown manner?

192 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:26:33pm

Protect my precious bodily fluids from RADIO WAVES!!

193 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:29:48pm

re: #191 freetoken

For a good laugh check out WND.

There top pushed article is DEATH PANELS!!, and the second article is... "NOW RADIO WAVES COMING FROM YOUR FAUCET?"

Bwahahaha...

I wonder if the radio waves will interact with the fluoride in some yet unknown manner?

Stuff like that makes me cry too hard to laugh.

194 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:32:42pm

Goodnight, all.

195 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:35:34pm

re: #188 Dancing along the light of day

**hugs** A Floral mini SWAT goal! I know you handled it all in a responsible manner! It was a lot to deal with!

196 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:36:15pm

For the right-wing, the guns and crime debate IS about race. This freeper post spells that out in plain language:

European Murder Rates Compared to the United States: Demographics vs Guns

The claim is that Europe has a lower murder rate because it has fewer non-whites, fewer blacks in particular.

197 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:40:19pm

re: #196 Shiplord Kirel

From your link:

There are no statistically significant numbers of African-American or Hispanic-Americans in Europe.

There are no significant number of Uyghur-Mongolians in Australia either, which accounts for the lack of homicides by horse stampedes in that country, no doubt.

198 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:40:28pm

re: #191 freetoken

For a good laugh check out WND.

There top pushed article is DEATH PANELS!!, and the second article is... "NOW RADIO WAVES COMING FROM YOUR FAUCET?"

Bwahahaha...

I wonder if the radio waves will interact with the fluoride in some yet unknown manner?

A marketing opportunity for the prepper industry?

"Stay in touch with the family and your survival group while you wash dishes! Our new faucet/AM/FM/MP4/NOAA/CB combo allows just that, bringing the world of audio entertainment and information right to your soapy fingers!"

199 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:41:56pm

BTW, I thought Freepers, like all patriotic Americans, despised Europeans anyway, so why are they holding up European nations as something to emulate?

200 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:44:36pm

re: #195 prairiefire

Got the damn job done! Crying and trying to protect myself from prying eyes, the whole time.

201 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:46:44pm

re: #197 freetoken

From your link:

There are no significant number of Uyghur-Mongolians in Australia either, which accounts for the lack of homicides by horse stampedes in that country, no doubt.

They could just as well argue that the low number of Americans in Europe is what keeps the murder rate down.

There are no statistically significant numbers of homicidal-Americans or psychotic-Americans in Europe.

202 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:48:05pm

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

They could just as well argue that the low number of Americans in Europe is what keeps the murder rate down.

Might be the lack of readily available firearms for sale.

203 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:50:56pm

re: #200 Dancing along the light of day

RWC had you covered here as well, my dear. He explained how hard it was 4 U.

204 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:53:44pm

New Prince!

205 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:56:11pm

re: #202 Kragar

Might be the lack of readily available firearms for sale.

There would be if there were more Americans there instead of them metrosexual Europeans, goddamit!

206 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:15:01am

I had my own experience with a relative's weapons cache while I was living in California back in the 80s. I dropped by my parents' house to see how my dad was doing on his project to restore a '41 Chevy pickup (now mine, btw). My stepmother's mother had died a few weeks earlier and the stepmother had been cleaning out her mom's house. I was sitting at the kitchen table with my dad when the stepmother emerged from the garage with a small but seemingly heavy cardboard box in hand. It was very old and dusty. She said she had found it in her mother's garage and thought I might be able to identify the contents. I could, for she opened the box and casually lifted out a LIVE 75mm ARTILLERY SHELL, fuse and all, from World War 2. I got her to hand it to me, very, very carefully, then asked her to put a fluffy towel in the bottom of the box. She did so and I gently placed the shell back in the box. We then left the house, in some haste. We called the sheriff, who called the CHP, who called in the Air Force EOD team from a nearby base. The AF bomb squad removed the shell and put it in an armored box on the back of a truck. It was destroyed on the AF weapons range. The ATF took statements from everyone and decided that the stepmother's father was probably responsible. Since he had been dead for 10 years, there were no charges.

207 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:17:56am

re: #206 Shiplord Kirel

"41" chevy pckup, damn! What color?

208 researchok  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:18:05am

Good morning, all

209 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:22:59am

re: #207 prairiefire

"41" chevy pckup, damn! What color?

Fire engine red. (It was originally a fire department vehicle and has always been red)

210 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:24:14am

re: #206 Shiplord Kirel

I had my own experience with a relative's weapons cache while I was living in California back in the 80s. I dropped by my parents' house to see how my dad was doing on his project to restore a '41 Chevy pickup (now mine, btw). My stepmother's mother had died a few weeks earlier and the stepmother had been cleaning out her mom's house. I was sitting at the kitchen table with my dad when the stepmother emerged from the garage with a small but seemingly heavy cardboard box in hand. It was very old and dusty. She said she had found it in her mother's garage and thought I might be able to identify the contents. I could, for she opened the box and casually lifted out a LIVE 75mm ARTILLERY SHELL, fuse and all, from World War 2. I got her to hand it to me, very, very carefully, then asked her to put a fluffy towel in the bottom of the box. She did so and I gently placed the shell back in the box. We then left the house, in some haste. We called the sheriff, who called the CHP, who called in the Air Force EOD team from a nearby base. The AF bomb squad removed the shell and put it in an armored box on the back of a truck. It was destroyed on the AF weapons range. The ATF took statements from everyone and decided that the stepmother's father was probably responsible. Since he had been dead for 10 years, there were no charges.

A few years back, one of my parents' neighbors passed away. Korean war vet. When the family was going through his garage, they found a half dozen live grenades tucked away under a work bench.

211 researchok  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:26:19am

re: #210 Kragar

Pest control.
/

212 freetoken  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:45:21am

Bream performs Weiss:

213 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:05:38am

Jeepers H Crackers. You just can't escape the weirdness. I'm looking for a new guitar, so I'm perusing Craigslist. Here's this guy selling a guitar and he's got a link to infowars with the listing.

Maple neck, ebony fingerboard, pearl block inlays, grover tuners, chrome hardware, Floyd Rose, and EMG 81/85/SA pickups, case (raising funds for infowars.com)

WTF

214 freetoken  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:23:22am

re: #213 Amory Blaine

Your society is filled with marks that hucksters know how to play better than that guitar.

For example, I was watching tonight a self-promoted "documentary" called "I Want To Look Like That Guy":

Now, I have nothing against someone wanting to document their trials and tribulations and life story and then trying to sell it make some money (and he has a website pushing this or that product.)

Yet as someone who has spent years working on myself, addressing various health issues, and who has also studied personal training, it becomes pretty obvious rather quickly when one is being fed just another marketing trick.

The subject/producer doesn't sound like a huckster, but at the same time he's not telling you something you don't already know, or can't find in one minute at your fingertips.

Plus the documentary is full pretty obvious silliness, like i want to look like that guy before and afterthis "before and after" photo comparison. Can you tell what he's done with the images?

215 researchok  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:25:26am

re: #212 freetoken

Favorited.

Great piece.

216 freetoken  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 2:19:30am
217 freetoken  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 3:06:08am

This probably tells us something about humans and numeracy, but I'm not sure what:

[Link: books.google.com...]

218 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 3:58:02am

re: #217 freetoken

Fun math fact of the day: Kids are better at logarithmic guessing than adults are.

In other words, if you have a log scale of 0-1 or 1-100, and you ask a kid or an adult to plot where .2 is on the first or 20 is on the second, the kid will more accurately plot the number than an adult will.

We start out with a logarithmic concept of numeracy, and it gets taught out of us and replaced by a linear one, to the extent that we're never quite as good as logarithmic plotting again unless we study it and use it.

219 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 4:18:48am

Bryan thinks we're all "wigged out" over here!

Babushka is actually wearing a wig.

220 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 4:47:51am

Meet the newest outrageous outrage: the AUTOPEN! Mightier than the Teleprompter!

221 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 4:48:32am

re: #219 Vicious Babushka

Wait, so he means that he actually does believe it? A devotee of Manichaeism, I would say.

222 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 4:56:54am

Obama wants to take away our crysknives and lasguns. He has not ridden the worm.

223 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 4:58:02am

DERP! Latest wingnut conspiracy: "Radio Waves coming from your water faucet!"

But they poo poo the water faucet FIRES caused by fracking.

224 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 4:58:43am

re: #222 Obdicut

Obama wants to take away our crysknives and lasguns. He has not ridden the worm.

I don't understand what that means.

225 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 4:59:30am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

The DOJ issued a memorandum in 2005 to the effect that it was perfectly legal for the president to use an autopen to sign legislation. Link (PDF).

Now, who was president in 2005 ....?

226 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:01:42am

re: #224 Vicious Babushka

Reference to Frank Herbert's Dune. Riding a worm is the ultimate test of proving one is worthy.

227 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:09:26am

re: #224 Vicious Babushka

I don't understand what that means.

228 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:13:01am

re: #227 Obdicut

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I'm not into science fiction.

229 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:16:50am

re: #228 Vicious Babushka

Dune is about as sci-fi as you get. Very little in it makes any fucking sense and yet it all hangs together nicely.

230 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:18:46am

Alright. Time to work out at the 92nd street Y. Where it's going to be jam-packed, because of the kind of people who only go to the gym for a couple weeks after New Years.

231 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:18:49am

re: #229 Obdicut

Dune is about as sci-fi as you get. Very little in it makes any fucking sense and yet it all hangs together nicely.

Am not a fan of science fiction to any great extent but enjoyed the first of the Dune series, as it is as much about human interaction and politics as it is about anything scientific or fictional.

232 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:22:35am

re: #228 Vicious Babushka

Dune is similar to a epic work of historical fiction, set in the far future. If you can get past the SF background, it's essentially a novel about empires and revolutions, with a messianic figure for added measure. Basically an allegory for Western civilization since about 600 BC.

Skip the movies. They make no sense if you've never read the novel. For that matter, skip the sequels to the first novel; they get progressively sillier.

233 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:25:31am

re: #232 wheat-dogghazi

Dune is similar to a epic work of historical fiction, set in the far future. If you can get past the SF background, it's essentially a novel about empires and revolutions, with a messianic figure for added measure. Basically an allegory for Western civilization since about 600 BC.

Skip the movies. They make no sense if you've never read the novel. For that matter, skip the sequels to the first novel; they get progressively sillier.

I started reading the Game of Thrones series, mainly because I want to watch the HBO series, but I just can't get into it.

234 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:32:58am

I haven't started reading or watching GoT yet, so take my recommendation with a grain of salt. Dune is better.

235 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:46:01am

re: #233 Vicious Babushka

I started reading the Game of Thrones series, mainly because I want to watch the HBO series, but I just can't get into it.

I think there were something like 375 sequels to Dune. Okay, maybe only a hundred and fifty: I wouldn't want to exaggerate here. One night some of my friends and I started making up our own Dune sequel titles and it developed into a contest:
Son of Dune
Mighty Joe Dune
Guard dog of Dune
Lorna Dune
Dune of the Dead
Dunesberry

Dunesberry RFD (this was especially clever since Mayberry RFD was itself a sequel and known for little else but that.)
Dune Patrol

There were many more, but this was over 30 years ago and, yes, alcohol was involved.

236 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:47:18am

re: #235 Shiplord Kirel

I think there were something like 375 sequels to Dune. Okay, maybe only a hundred and fifty: I wouldn't want to exaggerate here. One night some of my friends and I started making up our own Dune sequel titles and it developed into a contest:
Son of Dune
Mighty Joe Dune
Guard dog of Dune
Lorna Dune
Dune of the Dead
Dunesberry

Dunesberry RFD (this was especially clever since Mayberry RFD was itself a sequel and known for little else but that.)
Dune Patrol

There were many more, but this was over 30 years ago and, yes, alcohol was involved.

Red Dune
Breaking Dune

237 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:50:09am

I'm going to name my farm Arrakis Acres if the drought gets much worse. There might be 8 people in Lubbock County who would get the reference.

238 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:50:23am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

Meet the newest outrageous outrage: the AUTOPEN! Mightier than the Teleprompter!

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I notice that they weren't particularly outraged when President Obama signed the law authorizing the extension of the Patriot Act with an autopen.

239 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:55:25am

Curses! Blocked by Derpette @RockPrincess818

240 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:55:31am

re: #173 goddamnedfrank

That Johnson is a lovely rifle. It should have been the U.S. Army rifle in WWII rather than the M1.

But, it was designed by a Marine and so the Army wouldn't accept it.

241 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:56:53am

Morning Lizards. According to the local T.V. station, it is -4 degrees F.

242 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:58:39am

re: #241 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards. According to the local T.V. station, it is -4 degrees F.

You're in Miami, right !?!?!
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243 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:58:48am

re: #185 freetoken

Raise taxes.

Agreed. I keep saying, "We don't have a debt crisis. We have a taxation crisis."

244 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:05:06am

re: #242 sattv4u2

You're in Miami, right !?!?!
///

I wish. Being as I have to go out this morning, it's going to be a multiple layer day.

245 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:08:01am

re: #233 Vicious Babushka

I started reading the Game of Thrones series, mainly because I want to watch the HBO series, but I just can't get into it.

I stopped reading because this picture isn't exactly a joke.

[Link: madamethursday.tumblr.com...]

246 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:09:39am

re: #244 Bubblehead II

I wish. Being as I have to go out this morning, it's going to be a multiple layer day.

Be a man!

Join The Polar Bear Club
[Link: www.google.com...]

247 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:10:48am

re: #245 Romantic Heretic

I stopped reading because this picture isn't exactly a joke.

[Link: madamethursday.tumblr.com...]

I'm at work, not opening that link.

248 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:12:16am

re: #222 Obdicut

That isn't possible. He's the Kwisatz Haderach!

249 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:23:58am

re: #242 sattv4u2

Dune? Loved the book, hated the movie liked the mini series. Whew back to work today after ten days off. Got way too used to sleeping in.

250 steve_davis  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:26:42am

re: #224 Vicious Babushka

I don't understand what that means.

Well, just to be very clear, "riding the worm" in this case is NOT a metaphor! The worm in question, though, does make an excellent variety of poop, known euphemistically by the Guild Steersmen as "spice."

251 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:26:54am

re: #249 Political Atheist

Dune? Loved the book, hated the movie liked the mini series. Whew back to work today after ten days off. Got way too used to sleeping in.

umm

errrr,,

(I think you meant this for someone else)

252 Shvaughn  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:27:03am

re: #214 freetoken

Plus the documentary is full pretty obvious silliness, like i want to look like that guy before and afterthis "before and after" photo comparison. Can you tell what he's done with the images?

That's hilarious.

253 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:28:09am

UGH. #tcot in addition to being a swarm of Derp, is now being inundated by a bunch of porn spambots.

254 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:28:15am

re: #246 sattv4u2

Thanks, but no thanks. Hypothermia isn't one of my favorite activities to engage in.

255 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:28:57am

re: #251 sattv4u2

Meant to split that.. Dune @ Obdi/Lawhawk and vacation end to you.
Oh well good morning!

256 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:32:20am

re: #255 Political Atheist

Meant to split that.. Dune @ Obdi/Lawhawk and vacation end to you.
Oh well good morning!

Good morning back atchya

257 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:34:44am

So the right wing is in a tizzy because Glenn Beck claims he made an offer to buy Currents but was rebuffed because of ideological reasons.

Anyone know how much he actually offered? Him saying he made an offer doesn't mean much if he didn't have the money to back the offer or wasn't particularly serious.

But this is going to be the kerfuffle of the day to be sure.

258 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:35:35am

re: #254 Bubblehead II

Thanks, but no thanks. Hypothermia isn't one of my favorite activities to engage in.

When I was back in Boston I would occasionally go down to the L Street bath house in South Boston and watch them do their annual "swim" (was more of a run into/ out of the water as fast as possible)

Then off to the local taverns to warm up

259 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:36:21am

re: #257 lawhawk

So the right wing is in a tizzy because Glenn Beck claims he made an offer to buy Currents but was rebuffed because of ideological reasons.

Anyone know how much he actually offered? Him saying he made an offer doesn't mean much if he didn't have the money to back the offer or wasn't particularly serious.

But this is going to be the kerfuffle of the day to be sure.

Filed into the whogivesaratsass container

260 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:43:04am

re: #213 Amory Blaine

Jeepers H Crackers. You just can't escape the weirdness. I'm looking for a new guitar, so I'm perusing Craigslist. Here's this guy selling a guitar and he's got a link to infowars with the listing.

WTF

Pretty nice guitar, though. You getting it?

261 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:46:15am

12/20/12

1/3/13

Do nothing congress.

262 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:47:24am

re: #261 Gus

Investigations are easy. Legislating is hard. Ergo, commence the investigations. Gives appearance of doing something, even though outcome is essentially preordained and known to the parties beforehand.

263 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:47:54am

re: #219 Vicious Babushka

Bryan thinks we're all "wigged out" over here!

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Babushka is actually wearing a wig.

Says the guy who thinks that a valuable resource for talking points regarding immigration issues is a white nationalist site.

264 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:51:17am

re: #262 lawhawk

Investigations are easy. Legislating is hard. Ergo, commence the investigations. Gives appearance of doing something, even though outcome is essentially preordained and known to the parties beforehand.

SNAFU They're cemented in a caricature of themselves. When we need this stupid congress to get some meaningful things done they announce another stupid hearing in the Senate. What a waste of time and money. Where's the gun violence hearings?

265 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:52:08am

Add this.

266 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:55:51am

re: #265 Gus

Yet the GOP has already said that they understand that letting the debt ceiling lapse would be bad for the economy. They don't have the leverage they think they do.

The sequester and debt ceiling has revealed what we've known all along - both sides want spending. Different priorities, but they want spending. The GOP is more hypocritical in this regard because they've sold a bill of goods on cutting taxes as a way of cutting spending, but they've done plenty to run up the debt because they didn't pare back spending when they cut taxes.

267 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:07:35am

BBIAW. Meat world thing to do.

268 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:11:46am
269 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:19:34am

Good thing about where I work in the summer, with all the electronics in the room we have to keep the Air Conditioning CRANKED so it's always nice and cool in here

Bad thing about where I work in the winter, with all the electronics in the room we have to keep the Air Conditioning CRANKED so it's always FRAKKIIN FREEZING in here

270 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:19:48am
271 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:20:19am

Their money is ALREADY in offshore accounts.

272 Mattand  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:31:54am
273 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:35:09am

re: #272 Mattand

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It cracks me up how many evangelicals loves themselves some Ayn Rand--who was a militant atheist (as well as being vehemently pro-choice)

274 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:35:49am

Mornin' everyone. Happy new year.

275 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:37:14am

The reason for Pete King's anger at John Boehner is now clear - Al D'Amato is busting his chops.

King raised his objections in person during the closed door meeting with Boehner later Wednesday.

“I told him, ‘You have no idea what it is like for me. I have Al D’Amato in my district. His daughter and son-in-law have been driven out of their homes and his 98-year-old mother is living in a broken-down home right now,’” King said, referring to former U.S. Sen. Alfonse D’Amato.

“He is threatening to bring busloads from Island Park to demonstrate. Al is ranting like a madman,” King said.

As much as I dislike King, I like Senator Pothole even less.

276 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:37:45am

Anything exciting happen while I was gone? I see we managed to climb down from the fiscal mole hill.

277 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:52:19am

[Crickets]

278 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:52:25am

re: #275 makeitstop

his 98-year-old mother is living in a broken-down home right now,’”

Hey,, AL,, how 'bout you get your mom into an upscale hotel THEN go rant like a madman!!

279 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:52:40am

re: #277 Gus

[Crickets]

{Jiminy}

280 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:53:50am

re: #279 sattv4u2

{Jiminy}

I disagree! /

281 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:54:33am

We got a good one
Local Pakistani officials: U.S. drone strike kills at least 6, including militant commander

A U.S. drone strike in the South Waziristan tribal region of Pakistan killed at least six people, Pakistani government officials said Thursday, including the powerful Taliban commander Maulvi Nazir Wazir.

Nazir was killed along with another key commander of his group, Rapa Khan, and four other militants in the missile strike late Wednesday on Nazir’s vehicle near Wana, the largest town in the South Waziristan area, said a local government official who asked that his name not be used because he was not authorized to speak to reporters.

282 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:54:40am

re: #280 Gus

I disagree! /

I'm outraged, outraged I tell ya!

283 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:55:15am

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

Their money is ALREADY in offshore accounts.

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So by dimwit's logic, why tax the rich at all ever? If America's wealthiest 1% can't handle Clinton era tax rates than frankly they're a bunch of whiners. If you're telling me that you make over 250 grand and can't handle paying 35% to 39.5% then you're a wuss.

284 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:55:18am

re: #282 sattv4u2

I'm outraged, outraged I tell ya!

My pantaloons are flapping in the wind! /

285 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:55:22am

re: #229 Obdicut

Dune is about as sci-fi as you get. Very little in it makes any fucking sense and yet it all hangs together nicely.

minor objection to your point. By this measure Finnegan's Wake is SF.

286 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:56:14am

re: #281 Killgore Trout

Nazir was killed along with another key commander of his group, Rapa Khan

I love his sister Chaka's music!
/

287 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:56:21am

re: #281 Killgore Trout

There goes one New Year's resolution.

288 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:58:04am

re: #284 Gus

My pantaloons are flapping in the wind! /

I'm calling for a congressional hearing !

289 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:00:18am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

So by dimwit's logic, why tax the rich at all ever? If America's wealthiest 1% can't handle Clinton era tax rates than frankly they're a bunch of whiners. If you're telling me that you make over 250 grand and can't handle paying 35% to 39.5% then you're a wuss.

Bryan's argument is that if we don't pamper the "Job Creators" they won't CREATE JOBZ! Jobs at Walmart, Papa John and Hobby Lobby!

Want to know what created a bunch of high-paying, skilled tech jobs? THE AUTO INDUSTRY BAILOUT!

290 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:00:30am

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

Their money is ALREADY in offshore accounts.

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Some will leave - just as some Democrats left when Bush was re-elected and some Republicans did for Obama's election. Those same examples, plus the examples of other nations such as France, tell us that most of them will remain.

It's pretty simple, really. You get what you pay for, and once you've paid it doesn't take long before anywhere you could go to pay less has, well, less.

291 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:05:28am

re: #290 kirkspencer

Some will leave - just as some Democrats left when Bush was re-elected and some Republicans did for Obama's election. Those same examples, plus the examples of other nations such as France, tell us that most of them will remain.

It's pretty simple, really. You get what you pay for, and once you've paid it doesn't take long before anywhere you could go to pay less has, well, less.

The banking execs cried and cried when they didn't get their million-dollar bonuses after crashing the entire freakin economy. They threatened to go elsewhere their mad money skillz would be appreciated. Guess what! CEO's and money managers get paid a whole bunch LESS in other countries.

292 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:07:40am

Yemen too.The drones are busy this morning
Drone kills three al Qaeda suspects in Yemen: sources

At least three suspected al Qaeda militants including a local commander were killed on Thursday in Yemen by a strike from an unmanned aircraft, residents and a local official said.

The attack in Redaa, in the southern al-Bayda province was the fifth by a pilotless plane in the space of 10 days in the impoverished country, where the United States has stepped up drone strikes against al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP).
,,,,
A local official said the commander's name was Muqbel al-Zubah.

293 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:13:05am

BWA HA HAA!

294 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:15:10am

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

BWA HA HAA!

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He'll be looking for a long time. Heh.

295 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:15:10am

West Village Bombing Couple Pleads the Fireworks Defense

Aaron Greene, one half of New York City's most spoiled bombing suspects, has finally spoken out on his arrest — and, well, he may just be playing the tabloids... and us. In addition to claiming his shotguns were for "hunting and fishing," he seems to be pleading the New Year's defense: "It was a very small amount of experimental fireworks," Greene, speaking about the explosive charges against him and his privileged girlfriend from prison at Rikers Island, told The New York Post's Kevin Fasick and Dan Magnan

Heh

296 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:15:52am

re: #294 Lidane

He'll be looking for a long time. Heh.

297 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:16:40am

re: #295 Killgore Trout

his shotguns were for "hunting and fishing,"

Lots of wild big game and deep sea swordfish in Central Park, from what I hear

298 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:20:13am

re: #297 sattv4u2

his shotguns were for "hunting and fishing,"

Lots of wild big game and deep sea swordfish in Central Park, from what I hear

Maybe he was going to trade bear pelts for heroin.

299 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:21:10am

re: #298 Killgore Trout

Maybe he was going to trade bear pelts for heroin.

Bull!!
Image: Bull_and_bear1.jpg

300 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:22:05am

Clouted clotted blotted and besotted

"...The Secretary of State assembled her staff. “I’m going to New York Presbyterian Columbia Hospital to fake a blood clot underneath my skull. Tell the university physicians I want a trumped-up MRI within an hour. Let Public Relations know I’ll need a rough draft of their release before dinner. I expect everybody to jeopardize their licenses and careers so I can dodge a 2012 scandal that the public slept through."

301 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:22:49am

More bullshit posturing from the teabaggers...

302 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:23:43am

re: #300 jaunte

Clouted clotted blotted and besotted

Too much box wine.

303 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:25:05am

re: #294 Lidane

Turns out that gun ban bill in Illinois does exist, though its not quite as bad as it was rumored to be. It would still outlaw sales of 80% of all semi-auto pistols and rifle, so its far too extreme. But it doesn't provide for confiscation, its registration period is of reasonable length, nor does it ban pump shotguns.

I still hate it and I'll write letters to try to defeat it, but wanted you to know what it really is.

304 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:27:11am

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Turns out that gun ban bill in Illinois does exist, though its not quite as bad as it was rumored to be. It would still outlaw sales of 80% of all semi-auto pistols and rifle, so its far too extreme. But it doesn't provide for confiscation, its registration period is of reasonable length, nor does it ban pump shotguns.

I still hate it and I'll write letters to try to defeat it, but wanted you to know what it really is.

I'm interested in seeing what the final version will be once the lobbyists have their say and the back room deals are made.

305 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:27:46am

Interesting analysis of crime and homicides in Chicago showing the demographics/economics that play into where the homicides are most prevalent. It's not really a surprise, but it does suggest that the Chicago PD needs to take a page from the NYPD on Compstat and apply it to where the crime is greatest.

306 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:30:55am

re: #305 lawhawk

Interesting analysis of crime and homicides in Chicago showing the demographics/economics that play into where the homicides are most prevalent. It's not really a surprise, but it does suggest that the Chicago PD needs to take a page from the NYPD on Compstat and apply it to where the crime is greatest.

Chicago is intensely resistant to Compstat, despite its great success. I don't really understand it.

307 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:34:50am

re: #300 jaunte

Clouted clotted blotted and besotted

To sum up:

Althouse is just dumb.

308 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:36:47am

The most Canadian fire EVER:

It might be the most Canadian fire in history, and it gave one Calgary family a good scare.

Calgary fire crews were called to extinguish a hockey stick fire around 3 a.m. Thursday morning in the 300 block of Sackville Drive S.W.

A family member was returning home in the early morning hours when they noticed a pile of hockey sticks burning next to the home's garage.

309 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:38:50am

re: #304 Lidane

I'm interested in seeing what the final version will be once the lobbyists have their say and the back room deals are made.

If anything passes, which I still think unlikely. The bill's supporters are going to try to hurry the bill through with as little debate as possible, which might well come back to bite them in the butt when the lawsuit over the bill gets filed.

310 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:39:21am

re: #307 wrenchwench

To sum up:

She's wearing a twin box wine baseball cap with two straws. :D

311 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:39:23am

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

The most Canadian fire EVER:

heh,,, I used to do that (burn a stick or two) when I was in a scoring slump. Exorcises the demons!

312 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:43:12am

Cue the fauxtrage...

313 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:43:29am
314 Interesting Times  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:44:02am

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

The most Canadian fire EVER:

Needs moar maple syrup spills and beaver pelts.

315 KingKenrod  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:44:17am

re: #270 Gus

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Lloyd Blankfein was one of the guys (like Warren Buffet) calling for higher taxes on the rich. But he's been cashing in stock grants for the past few months, about $10 million so far, which (if you assume the entire amount is taxable) helps him avoid about $500K in taxes with the new higher rates.

316 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:49:22am

re: #315 KingKenrod

And it's all perfectly legal - every money manager will take advantage of the tax law as in effect - to maximize profits to their shareholders/investors. They took advantage of the law in effect, and the expected hikes to conclude deals before the higher rates took effect. We'll hear a few more stories like this, but after the 1Q 2013, things will settle down as the new rates filter through transactions. After all, if you're paying cap gains taxes, you've made money. You'll just be paying a few percentage points more.

317 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:49:25am

re: #311 sattv4u2

heh,,, I used to do that (burn a stick or two) when I was in a scoring slump. Exorcises the demons!

I'd just masturbate...wait...what?

318 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:50:59am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

If anything passes, which I still think unlikely.

Well, true. If it passes at all (Ha!) it will be an incredibly watered down, toothless version of whatever it is now and it won't mean anything.

We're so weird about guns in this country. Whenever these big massacres happen -- which is a hell of a thing to type, BTW -- we all get concerned about gun violence and about how and why and OMGWTF, but we don't do anything about it. Then, when anyone suggests doing something about it, the gun nuts start hoarding more guns and ammo and the NRA and its lobbyists start freaking out about tyranny and ZOMG WE'RE GOING TO WAR OVER OUR RIGHTS.

Right on cue, nothing happens, people forget about their earlier outrage, and we go on as we have been, then we're shocked when another gun nut flips his shit and opens fire.

319 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:58:40am

re: #313 Gus

[Link: store.2013pic.org...]

Cue the outrage. I mean, tee up the outrage.

320 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:59:40am

Maybe that should be 'tea' up the outrage.

321 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:00:16am

re: #320 wrenchwench

Maybe that should be 'tea' up the outrage.

Oh noooooooozzzzzzzzzzz!

Golf Ball Set

322 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:00:21am

And so the 112th Congress has officially adjourned, sealing its place in history as the Most Unproductive in US History.

323 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:01:03am

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

The most Canadian fire EVER:

Boy someone took that loss to the USA pretty hard I guess.

324 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:01:29am

re: #322 Targetpractice

Do Nothing/Know Nothing Congress. And there's little to suggest that the 113th will be any better.

325 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:01:29am

re: #322 Targetpractice

And so the 112th Congress has officially adjourned, sealing its place in history as the Most Unproductive in US History.

IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT!!

326 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:02:00am

re: #317 darthstar

I'd just masturbate...wait...what?

If that worked, I would have been the ALLTIME HIGH GOAL SCORER!!!!!

327 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:02:40am

re: #324 lawhawk

Do Nothing/Know Nothing Congress. And there's little to suggest that the 113th will be any better.

There's always room for improvement. //

328 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:02:56am

re: #318 Lidane

If you are unhappy with the national picture, your state is free to do gun control all on it's own. California and NY state are pretty strict.

329 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:03:10am

re: #326 sattv4u2

If that worked, I would have been the ALLTIME HIGH GOAL SCORER!!!!!

So even Wayne Gretzky would be in awe, right?

330 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:03:39am

re: #326 sattv4u2

If that worked, I would have been the ALLTIME HIGH GOAL SCORER!!!!!

You'd get a whistle for "high sticking" in the penalty box.

331 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:03:53am

re: #328 Political Atheist

If you are unhappy with the national picture, your state is free to do gun control all on it's own. California and NY state are pretty strict.

Not where I'm at. In the South, they are busily passing laws to LOOSEN gun regulations.

332 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:04:31am

re: #321 Gus

Oh noooooooozzzzzzzzzzz!

Golf Ball Set

Why is this under 'apparel, women'?

At least it's also under 'men'. Apparently it's the only apparel.

333 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:05:31am

re: #247 Vicious Babushka

Here's a picture then. Sorry.

Image: tumblr_m57gzf8zuL1qj52mdo1_500.jpg

334 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:05:35am

re: #328 Political Atheist

If you are unhappy with the national picture, your state is free to do gun control all on it's own. California and NY state are pretty strict.

Dude, she's in Texas.

335 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:06:24am

re: #332 wrenchwench

Why is this under 'apparel, women'?

At least it's also under 'men'. Apparently it's the only apparel.

Oh, wait. I found more.

336 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:06:34am

re: #332 wrenchwench

Why is this under 'apparel, women'?

At least it's also under 'men'. Apparently it's the only apparel.

Apparel: Socks: Tube: Serial Number J0928

337 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:06:56am

re: #328 Political Atheist

If you are unhappy with the national picture, your state is free to do gun control all on it's own. California and NY state are pretty strict.

Gun control? In Texas? You must be joking. Gun control around here means steady aim.

Won't happen in this state. Ever.

338 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:07:13am

re: #335 wrenchwench

Oh, wait. I found more.

Looks like it's a work in progress.

339 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:08:29am

*FACE PALM*

340 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:09:09am

re: #318 Lidane

Just a small bone to pick there, but it's not always a true "gun-nut" that flips their shit and shoots up a crowded place. I don't think many of these mass-shooters were your typical "gun-nut" per-say.

Where the gun-nuts fit into this equation is when these events happen and the possibility of new restrictions and regulations come to light. They flip out (helped mightily by the NRA), and the regulations subsequently get quashed due to the massive lobbying from the NRA et al. Even regulations that would have an infinitesimal impact on their ability to obtain and operate a firearm are shot down (I know, I know, try the veal.)

That's when somebody who has 'snapped' can easily obtain a firearm (Columbine kids, V-Tech shooter, theater joker, Sandy Hook). Upstate NY guy was a criminal, not sure about the Sikh-temple madman (was ex-military supremacist IIRC?) I wouldn't deign them as "gun-nuts." It was the ease they were able to obtain law-enforcement and military-grade weaponry.

Just wanted to make that distinction, but they can easily pass some decent legislation that will have little to no actual impact on responsible, law-abiding gun owners. But it needs to be explicitly sold on those merits in order to have significant push-back against the NRA's lobbying. And I don't think it'll happen in this administration, because for how smart Obama and his admin are, I think they're terrible at selling and marketing their ideas against an intransigent opposition.

341 andres  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:09:18am

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

They aren't military grade is the thing. Military weapons based on the AR-15 platform are full-automatic or three-round burst. As for large caliber rifles, they just aren't used by criminals. Normal pump-action shotguns are far more likely to be cut down and turned into a crime gun that a Barrett .50 cal.

I think I muddled my question: What use does these types of weapons have in a civilian environment? Especially those in the same category as the Bushmaster XM-15?

The weapons I mentioned do have civilian uses (hunting, personal protection), but the assault weapons like the XM-15, what purpose do they serve in a civilian environment?

342 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:09:20am

re: #334 wrenchwench

Dude, she's in Texas.

Home of responsible gun owners.

Yesterday:

Father shoots his 16 year old in Waller County. The son was walking to meet his dad and the Dad thought he was a deer shot him 3 times.[Link: www.texashuntingforum.com...]

343 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:09:38am
344 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:13:07am

re: #342 jaunte

Home of responsible gun owners.

Yesterday:

A comment there:

Prayers up for a full recovery of the young man. Rules of firearms safety not followed.

Maybe eye exams for gun owners would be a good idea?

345 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:13:32am

re: #342 jaunte

Home of responsible gun owners.

Yesterday:

Hunting accidents happen fairly often. Those aren't about the type of gun used, more about the idiot using them.

346 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:14:24am

re: #345 Dark_Falcon

Hunting accidents happen fairly often. Those aren't about the type of gun used, more about the idiot using them.

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I resent that!

/Dick Cheney

347 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:14:46am

re: #342 jaunte

Well, either the Dad is full of shit and is making up an excuse, or he is just too stupid to be allowed out in society, let alone be armed.

348 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:14:55am

re: #343 darthstar

I think Boehner is one of those people who would rather see the country burn than give up any of his power.

349 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:15:42am

re: #330 darthstar

You'd get a whistle for "high sticking" in the penalty box.

ya gotta blow to whistle, no???

350 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:16:04am

re: #345 Dark_Falcon

Hunting accidents happen fairly often. Those aren't about the type of gun used, more about the idiot using them.

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Maybe it's about the availability of guns to idiots, and/or the sight-impaired.

351 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:16:49am

re: #347 Ghost of Tom Joad

I heard the story on the radio going home yesterday, just googled it and was surprised how many stories there are of "man hunting accidentally shoots son."

352 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:17:45am
re: #344 wrenchwench

A comment there:

Maybe eye exams for gun owners would be a good idea?

Science and medicine for a full recovery...

I have an idea! Let's start adding silencers to the hunting mix. That'll be really good when somebody's mistakenly shooting at you while you're by a raging waterfall.

353 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:19:09am

re: #342 jaunte

Home of responsible gun owners.

Yesterday:

They won't prosecute the father for shooting his kid (apparently, he's a crappy shot so the kid is still alive), but the game warden will want to talk to him about hunting out of season.

354 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:19:22am

re: #351 jaunte

I heard the story on the radio going home yesterday, just googled it and was surprised how many stories there are of "man hunting accidentally shoots son."

I'm from a hunting family. Been doing it since I was a little kid. I mean...3 shots...at something you 'thought' was a deer? Come the hell on. Either criminally evil or certifiably stupid, there's no middle-ground 'oops' here.

355 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:19:37am

Is this authentic DERP or a parody?

356 erik_t  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:21:21am

re: #355 Vicious Babushka

Is this authentic DERP or a parody?

Any sufficiently advanced parody is indistinguishable from DERP.

357 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:21:39am

re: #353 darthstar

He's clear on the season, it runs from Nov 3 to Jan 6.

358 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:21:54am

re: #355 Vicious Babushka

Is this authentic DERP or a parody?

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Damn, if this guy wasn't limited to 140 characters he would probably have added PBO is impregnating all the white women too.

359 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:22:18am

re: #356 erik_t

Any sufficiently advanced parody is indistinguishable from DERP.

I think it's parody.

360 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:23:13am

The only place I see Bryan Fischer is here and on RawStory. I wonder if he's being paid by the Left to look make the right look stupid.

361 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:23:21am

re: #359 Vicious Babushka

I think it's parody.

Has to be. Any real tea-partier knows that he's not outlawing religion. He's trying to instill Sharia law.

362 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:23:54am

re: #360 Dr. Matt

The only place I see Bryan Fischer is here and on RawStory. I wonder if he's being paid by the Left to look make the right look stupid.

The left doesn't have to pay anyone good money to make the right look stupid. They do it all by themselves for free.

363 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:24:18am

re: #357 jaunte

He's clear on the season, it runs from Nov 3 to Jan 6.

Well, DEER season...but we're talking about hunting family.

364 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:25:09am

re: #363 darthstar

"Antlerless deer."
[Link: www.tpwd.state.tx.us...]

365 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:25:33am
re: #355 Vicious Babushka

Obama OUTLAWING Guns, Religion and Taking all my money. Oh wait, it is happaning now! #TweatYourFear #tcot #WarOnChristmas #GunControl #GBTV
— Tea Party Amercan (@BarryWirth) January 3, 2013

Is this authentic DERP or a parody?

"War on Christmas" and he tweeted that on Jan 3rd. Apparently Barry Wirth has a war against calendars.

366 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:25:35am

Turns out it was the mother's fault. She said, "Watch for our son...you know he's dear to me."

367 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:26:43am

re: #366 darthstar

SoaB, I was just typing something similar when that popped up. :-)

368 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:26:54am

re: #364 jaunte

"Antlerless deer."
[Link: www.tpwd.state.tx.us...]

Antlerless, orange-wearing deer. And people say this country isn't color blind.

369 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:27:59am

re: #366 darthstar

Turns out it was the mother's fault. She said, "Watch for our son...you know he's dear to me."

SMACK!

370 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:31:21am

Meanwhile, back on the crazy train...

371 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:33:05am

Not yet paranoid enough to upgrade my weapons to some really excellent killers of men. Also not going to be the least-armed person in my county.

Meet my neighbors:

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

Warning: not safe for lunch

372 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:34:02am

re: #340 Ghost of Tom Joad

Just a small bone to pick there, but it's not always a true "gun-nut" that flips their shit and shoots up a crowded place. I don't think many of these mass-shooters were your typical "gun-nut" per-say.

Can we at least agree that it's much easier to kill a bunch of people in a hail of bullets than it is to beat, stab, or strangle them to death?

I think that's the issue here. Easy access to high capacity guns and ammo + irresponsible owners + a bunch of idiots who don't know how to properly deal with their problems = a pile of dead bodies on the ground. Yet anytime someone brings that up, the NRA and their useful idiots start bleating about tyranny and ZOMG WE'RE BEING DISARMED BY TEH GUBMINT and the conversation goes nowhere.

373 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:35:08am
374 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:35:57am

re: #370 darthstar

Meanwhile, back on the crazy train...

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Makes you feel kind of wonder what the three guys who bother reading Fox News Latino are thinking.

375 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:37:10am

It's a good thing the kid's okay but sheesh how do you shoot someone three times thinking they're a deer? Once I can understand but thrice?

376 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:39:31am

Complimentary cavity searches for everyone! And they cavity searched both women without changing gloves.

The ladies are, of course, suing the everloving shit out of the police department. May we suggest a second home in the south of France, we hear it is lovely this time of year.

377 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:42:20am

re: #355 Vicious Babushka

Is this authentic DERP or a parody?

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#TweatYourFear

My fear is that I might prominently feature a misspelling on the internet for all to see.

378 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:42:28am

DERP!

It only takes 17 Republicans fucking with Boehner to force a second vote. He'll win...but he may have to go to a second vote to do so.

379 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:43:02am

re: #372 Lidane

Can we at least agree that it's much easier to kill a bunch of people in a hail of bullets than it is to beat, stab, or strangle them to death?

I think that's the issue here. Easy access to high capacity guns and ammo + irresponsible owners + a bunch of idiots who don't know how to properly deal with their problems = a pile of dead bodies on the ground. Yet anytime someone brings that up, the NRA and their useful idiots start bleating about tyranny and ZOMG WE'RE BEING DISARMED BY TEH GUBMINT and the conversation goes nowhere.

Which is so stupid!

Not one single, ONE SINGLE PROPOSAL put forth since Newtown that I've seen involves taking weapons from those who already have them or completely cutting off access to them from those who don't.

The assault weapons ban would prohibit certain weapons, but would almost certainly grandfather in existing guns. It would also do nothing to affect the legality of shotguns, handguns and most hunting rifles, all of which can be dangerous.

What also gets me is that the "OMG THEY ARE COMING FOR OUR GUNZ!!" crowd seems to not have a clue about the virtually impossible logistics of actually carrying out such an initiative.

I mean think about it: To actually round up all the guns in the United States would take a dedicated, well trained, heavily armed force many times larger than the current U.S. military. This force would then have to be dispatched to every corner of the country to try and locate and reclaim EVERY REGISTERED FIREARM. Think about how much time, money, personnel and resources would need to be expended on such an effort.

Of course the conspiracy theorists respond to such a criticism by saying the U.N. will help with the round up, but the even with UN assistance assembling the required personnel, resources and funding would be virtually impossible. To say nothing of the fact that U.N. involvement in such a matter would be a violation of I believe both domestic AND international law.

It's just not going to happen.

380 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:44:27am

re: #378 darthstar

Paul Broun is a member of the John Birch Society.

381 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:44:49am

re: #378 darthstar

DERP!

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It only takes 17 Republicans fucking with Boehner to force a second vote. He'll win...but he may have to go to a second vote to do so.

I understand protest votes but not for someone who's unemployed. But then again Paul Broun is the guy who compared Obama to Hitler before he even became president.

382 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:45:10am

Somebody just voted for Colin Powell for Speaker.

383 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:45:18am
384 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:45:39am

re: #380 jaunte

Paul Broun is a member of the John Birch Society.

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Didn't know that but there was a frontpage article about him here I remember because of Broun's shall we say interesting views about theory of evolution.

385 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:46:20am
386 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:46:28am

re: #382 darthstar

Somebody just voted for Colin Powell for Speaker.

Really moderate Democrat or one of the few left moderate Republicans?

387 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:46:35am

re: #376 darthstar

Complimentary cavity searches for everyone! And they cavity searched both women without changing gloves.

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Somewhat related. I've been writing a story about immigration (both legal and illegal) set in the American southwest and one of my sequences features a jerk cop who harasses a Latino (who is a legal citizen) and searches his vehicle by claiming he smells marijuana.

Apparently it's a very commonly used (and legal) tactic to justify a vehicle search.

388 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:47:53am

re: #385 Lidane

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From the looks of it, the revolutionaries haven't found somebody to back in a race against Boehner. Fucking figures.

389 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:48:20am

RINO! Liberal plant! Eleventy!

390 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:48:54am

re: #388 Targetpractice

From the looks of it, the revolutionaries haven't found somebody to back in a race against Boehner. Fucking figures.

Thought it would be Cantor. Guess not.

391 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:50:00am

re: #390 HappyWarrior

Thought it would be Cantor. Guess not.

From the looks of it, Cantor may have played the part of back-stabbing toady too close to the toady and not enough to the back-stabbing.

392 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:50:41am

re: #388 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

From the looks of it, the revolutionaries haven't found somebody to back in a race against Boehner. Fucking figures.

Nobody else wants the job right now. Cantor voted for Boehner. He'll be speaker after Boehner steps down, or in the next congress, but he wants Boehner to take the heat for the next little while as there are more negotiations with President Obama to come.

393 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:51:03am

re: #389 Lidane

"...On a political level, Republicans must not confuse climate change with other science vs. belief issues. On this issue public opinion will eventually move in the direction of established facts regardless of how much distortion we generate.

We can give hedged answers on the age of the universe with little consequence. Denying the reality of evolution won’t cause anyone to lose their favorite beach house, or for that matter, their favorite island. Climate change, on the other hand, is becoming apparent enough to the average layman to affect their holiday plans. We cannot swim against this scientific tide much longer."

Lol. So there's still hope for science denial!

394 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:51:14am

re: #391 Targetpractice

From the looks of it, Cantor may have played the part of back-stabbing toady too close to the toady and not enough to the back-stabbing.

Ah.

395 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:51:19am

Gohmert voted for West too.

396 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:52:21am

Haha.

397 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:52:23am

The votes for West sort of clash with the reality that West just got his ass handed to him in the polls.

398 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:52:54am

re: #395 darthstar

Gohmert voted for West too.

So Louie Gohmert voted for someone who isn't even in Congress anymore.

Why doesn't that surprise me?

399 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:53:12am

re: #392 darthstar

Nobody else wants the job right now. Cantor voted for Boehner. He'll be speaker after Boehner steps down, or in the next congress, but he wants Boehner to take the heat for the next little while as there are more negotiations with President Obama to come.

Pretty much this. Boehner's already under the bus, Cantor just asked the driver to circle around for another run.

Plus, who in their right mind would want to try to control that group of lunatics. It's like herding cats that are on an acid bender.

400 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:53:25am
401 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:53:39am

re: #398 Lidane

So Louie Gohmert voted for someone who isn't even in Congress anymore.

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Voting for someone who you should be in the same lot with. Louie's form of solidarity.

402 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:54:17am

re: #398 Lidane

So Louie Gohmert voted for someone who isn't even in Congress anymore.

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Not technically required to be in congress. Freep has been pushing that meme for a couple weeks.

403 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:54:47am

re: #402 Decatur Deb

Not technically required to be in congress. Freep has been pushing that meme for a couple weeks.

If only to flagellate silly over "dream Speakers."

404 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:55:47am

re: #402 Decatur Deb

Freep has been pushing that meme for a couple weeks.

Shocking.

Not really.

405 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:56:20am

This is a party in disarray.

406 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:56:22am

re: #403 Targetpractice

If only to flagellate silly over "dream Speakers."

"Sarah, you're the poet in my heart..."

407 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:57:17am

re: #406 Decatur Deb

"Sarah, you're the poet in my heart..."

Someone on FB just mentioned that someone seriously suggested her. Yeah someone who's not elected and is a proven quitter is a good idea for Speaker. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrp.

408 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:57:38am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

This is a party in disarray.

Damn that Obama!!!

409 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:58:16am

If enough of the batsh*t crazy wing-nut caucus vote for anyone but Boehner, Pelosi could win. The cumulative meltdown would be epic.

410 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:59:28am

re: #409 Dr. Matt

If enough of the batsh*t crazy wing-nut caucus vote for anyone but Boehner, Pelosi could win. The cumulative meltdown would be epic.

Oh man wouldn't that be something?

411 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:59:59am

King (R-NY) is a f*cking coward. He voted for Boehner.

412 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:00:37am

The magic number for forcing a second vote is 10

413 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:01:40am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

This is a party in disarray.

It may be a party in disarray, but unfortunately all this means that they're going to be only more likely to take the debt ceiling hostage.

I wish that Obama and the Dems had gone for the gold and gotten a debt ceiling hike tied into the taxation bill, I think that the GOP would have folded, but if I was wrong that would have been kind of shitty. However, now we just have the debt ceiling fight all the fuck over again and they may be crazy and stupid enough to hostage take.

As someone pointed out yesterday, the redistricting that happened means most of the hardcore lunatics are sitting in safe places. Michelle Bachmann has been elected four times to congress despite being an obvious nutjob.

Much of the political work that needs to be done is at the state level. Things are not going to get better until the congressional redistricts are made less partisan.

414 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:01:53am

re: #408 Targetpractice

A bunch of rich, powerful, narcissistic, white assholes driven crazy by a milquetoast black guy.

Nostradamus is kicking himself he didn't think of that one.

415 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:01:54am
416 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:01:57am

re: #411 Dr. Matt

King (R-NY) is a f*cking coward. He voted for Boehner.

Boehner promised him a vote on Sandy relief this week.

417 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:02:00am

WND: Roberts Should Refuse to Swear In Obama

Yeah, I can see that happening.
/

418 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:03:36am

re: #417 Kragar

If you choose the easy course of ignoring our Constitution, it does not change the fact that Mr. Obama is barred by that same Constitution from acting as president. I am sure that if you turn your judicial mind to the ramifications of this fraud, both foreign and domestic, you will understand that the harm you will have done insures your impeachment and eternal dishonor at some point down the road: If not this House of Representatives, then the next, or the next, or the next.

Oh good grief.

419 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:03:38am

re: #411 Dr. Matt

They'll go with the nutter they know, not with the even more likely to be out there unknown.

Despite the claims made and spread courtesy of Breitbart, there were no alternatives to Boehner. No one was stepping up as an alternative with sufficient votes. The few who did vote against him is the extent of a protest vote, and nothing more.

The votes for West (who's now out of Congress) is laughable, but it's akin to throwing your vote away - the political equivalent of a temper tantrum. And given that Boehner didn't need those votes, they're essentially sidelined anyways.

420 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:03:48am

re: #415 darthstar

No joy (FireFox/Linux).

421 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:04:06am

re: #417 Kragar

WND: Roberts Should Refuse to Swear In Obama

Yeah, I can see that happening.
/

Yeah because it's not like Barack Obama got a majority of the vote and EC. Nope, he shouldn't be sworn in because some butthurt idiot on WND thinks he shouldn't. Just like Earl Warren refused to swear in Nixon because petty hatred was more important than actually doing your job.

422 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:05:25am

re: #419 lawhawk

Despite the claims made and spread courtesy of Breitbart, there were no alternatives to Boehner. .

I'm afraid to ask.....buuuuuut.....what were the Breitbartards floating?

423 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:05:39am

re: #413 Obdicut

It may be a party in disarray, but unfortunately all this means that they're going to be only more likely to take the debt ceiling hostage.

I wish that Obama and the Dems had gone for the gold and gotten a debt ceiling hike tied into the taxation bill, I think that the GOP would have folded, but if I was wrong that would have been kind of shitty. However, now we just have the debt ceiling fight all the fuck over again and they may be crazy and stupid enough to hostage take.

As someone pointed out yesterday, the redistricting that happened means most of the hardcore lunatics are sitting in safe places. Michelle Bachmann has been elected four times to congress despite being an obvious nutjob.

Much of the political work that needs to be done is at the state level. Things are not going to get better until the congressional redistricts are made less partisan.

Agree with everything you're saying especially about the state level. Got an important governor's election here in Virginia in November. Hoping like hell this is the year we finally buck our trend of electing a governor from the party not in the WH. This state can't afford Ken Cuccinnelli's nuttiness as governor. Fortunately, tehre are rumors that Lt Governor Bill Bolling may bolt the GOP and run as an Indy or at least undermine Cooch.

424 erik_t  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:07:15am

re: #413 Obdicut

As someone pointed out yesterday, the redistricting that happened means most of the hardcore lunatics are sitting in safe places. Michelle Bachmann has been elected four times to congress despite being an obvious nutjob.

I'm pretty sure that Crazy-Eyes Bachmann retained her seat by less than about 4000 votes.

425 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:08:04am
426 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:09:34am

re: #422 Dr. Matt

427 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:09:46am

re: #424 erik_t

I'm pretty sure that Crazy-Eyes Bachmann retained her seat by less than about 4000 votes.

True but I think Obdicut's point is not Bachmann in particular but some of the more nutty Congresspeople as a whole. I just looked at Louie Gohmert. 72% of the vote.

428 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:10:01am

The people in this town need to be flogged.

Hackers produce disturbing video evidence in Ohio gang rape case

“She is so raped right now,” said Nodianos to the camera. “There won’t be any foreplay for a dead girl. It ain’t wet now, to be honest. Trust me, I’m a doctor.”

He was referring to an incident in late August, when two players on Steubenville High School’s prestigious football team, The Big Red, reportedly drugged a 16-year-old girl and sexually assaulted her, carrying her unconscious body by the wrists and ankles from party to party, urinating on her and abandoning her at the end of the night at her parents’ house. The players, Trent Mays and Ma’lik Richmond, are currently on house arrest in Steubenville after being remanded from the county juvenile detention center.

The boys glorified their crime online, shooting Instagram photos of the assault, making lewd updates on Facebook and Twitter, and allowing their friends, like Nodianos, to shoot photos and make their own updates and videos about the incident. In spite of the abduction and attack’s high profile in social media, townspeople have been reluctant to aid the prosecution of the crime in any way, lest it jeopardize The Big Red’s chances at another state championship.

Nate Hubbard, 27, a volunteer Big Red coach, went so far as to accuse the victim of making the whole thing up to excuse a night of excessive partying, “The rape was just an excuse, I think,” he told the New York Times.

429 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:10:13am

re: #425 Lidane

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or anchor baby.

430 Henchman 25  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:10:25am

re: #421 HappyWarrior

Yeah because it's not like Barack Obama got a majority of the vote and EC. Nope, he shouldn't be sworn in because some butthurt idiot on WND thinks he shouldn't he's black.

FTFY. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

431 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:11:10am

re: #430 Henchman 25

FTFY. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

PRetty much.

432 Joanne  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:11:38am

re: #417 Kragar

WND: Roberts Should Refuse to Swear In Obama

Yeah, I can see that happening.
/

Maybe he can just fuck it up again? /

433 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:11:45am
re: #426 lawhawk

Wait. BREITBART assured me that Boehner was going down. twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/...
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) January 3, 2013

Image: facepalm.jpg

434 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:12:15am

TCOT: An acronym standing for "Total Collapse of Teabaggers"

435 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:12:27am
436 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:13:02am

re: #416 Targetpractice

Boehner promised him a vote on Sandy relief this week.

Yep, a deal is a deal. Boehner gets the first part of the relief package passed on Friday, King votes for Boehner as Speaker. Quid pro quo is SOP in Congress.

437 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:13:11am

Steve King still got 54% of the vote running against a former governor's wife in a high turnout year. It's nice that some of the nuts like West, Walsh, etc were defeated but a lot of them remain in office even though Congress is unpopular. Hell, my own Congressman has this seat as long as he wants it. While, I don't favor Constitutional term limits, I do not like the overwhelming power of incumbency either in the House.

438 Joanne  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:14:26am

re: #428 Kragar

It obviously wasn't a legitimate rape. /

439 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:15:23am

re: #417 Kragar

WND: Roberts Should Refuse to Swear In Obama

Yeah, I can see that happening.
/

Ah, birthers! So crazed, so stupid.

440 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:15:30am

re: #428 Kragar

The people in this town need to be flogged.

Hackers produce disturbing video evidence in Ohio gang rape case

Football "honor" more important than a rape victim's. It's getting harder and harder to be shocked by this stuff anymore.

441 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:16:10am

re: #438 Joanne

It obviously wasn't a legitimate rape. /

Hey, we wouldn't want anything as trivial as a brutal sexual assault of an unconscious girl to screw up a high school football championship.

442 Skip Intro  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:16:44am

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

A responsible gun owner is not 'gambling with other people's lives', nor is he being an idiot..

Was Adam Lanza's mom one of those "responsible gun owners"? I guess she was, right up until she wasn't.

443 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:16:49am

re: #428 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The people in this town need to be flogged.

Hackers produce disturbing video evidence in Ohio gang rape case

How do high schoolers become so sick, demented, and detached from reality to perpetrate such horrendous criminal acts? I suppose the teabaggers would blame video games and Hollywood....and Obama.....and teh gays.

444 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:17:03am

re: #345 Dark_Falcon

Hunting accidents happen fairly often. Those aren't about the type of gun used, more about the idiot using them.

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Yes. so what say we make it harder for idiots to have firearms, and/or take away the firearms from proven idiots?

Don't listen, it's a gun grabber. derp

445 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:17:37am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

Steve King still got 54% of the vote running against a former governor's wife in a high turnout year. It's nice that some of the nuts like West, Walsh, etc were defeated but a lot of them remain in office even though Congress is unpopular. Hell, my own Congressman has this seat as long as he wants it. While, I don't favor Constitutional term limits, I do not like the overwhelming power of incumbency either in the House.

I don't think term limits would alleviate the problem. If a district is willing to vote in somebody as bad as Gomer/West/Walsh etc., if that guy gets kicked out after a few terms, they'll just find a new guanopsychotic to fill in.

446 erik_t  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:17:38am

re: #440 Targetpractice

Football "honor" more important than a rape victim's. It's getting harder and harder to be shocked by this stuff anymore.

And this probably counts as progress, that we even hear about it in the year 2013.

Seems like a subset of humanity can take nearly anything of any arbitrary meaning or value and use it to commit or justify the commission of heinous acts.

447 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:18:01am

re: #440 Targetpractice

Football "honor" more important than a rape victim's. It's getting harder and harder to be shocked by this stuff anymore.

Those poor boys have their whole future in the NFL at risk! Think of those poor kids!
///

They should have the word "RAPIST" tattooed on their faces and be forced to keep it for the rest of their lives.

448 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:18:58am

re: #357 jaunte

He's clear on the season, it runs from Nov 3 to Jan 6.

Yes, but does the state have an antler requirement for shooting bucks?

449 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:19:32am

re: #445 Ghost of Tom Joad

I don't think term limits would alleviate the problem. If a district is willing to vote in somebody as bad as Gomer/West/Walsh etc., if that guy gets kicked out after a few terms, they'll just find a new guanopsychotic to fill in.

Absolutely.

450 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:19:39am

re: #440 Targetpractice

Football "honor" more important than a rape victim's. It's getting harder and harder to be shocked by this stuff anymore.

What would shock me is the parents of the girl not going vigilante.

451 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:20:01am

re: #364 jaunte

"Antlerless deer."
[Link: www.tpwd.state.tx.us...]

Special Youth-Only Season: Early open season: Oct. 27-28, 2012. Late open season: Jan. 7-20, 2013.

So, he was ahead of season by a few days...
//

452 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:20:15am

Boehner got there by two votes.

453 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:20:29am

re: #428 Kragar

The people in this town need to be flogged.

Hackers produce disturbing video evidence in Ohio gang rape case

Rape was just an excuse? Sigh I hate my fellow men sometimes. Really dude. Rape an excuse? Fucking pig.

454 Joanne  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:20:53am

re: #447 Kragar

They should have the word "RAPIST" tattooed on their faces and be forced to keep it for the rest of their lives.

Or take the Girl With The Dragon Tattoo approach and tattoo the entire torso stating he is a sadistic rapist pig.

455 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:20:55am

re: #452 darthstar

Boehner got there by two votes.

Look at him, he's walking on air. Or skating on thin ice more appropriately.

456 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:21:33am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

Look at him, he's walking on air. Or skating on thin ice more appropriately.

IT'S A FUCKING MANDATE!

457 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:23:06am

re: #454 Joanne

Or take the Girl With The Dragon Tattoo approach and tattoo the entire torso stating he is a sadistic rapist pig.

The forehead is a better option because the torso can always be covered up. But as I remember Lisbeth threatened to come back and tattoo his forehead as leverage.

458 erik_t  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:23:17am

re: #447 Kragar

re: #454 Joanne

I'd happily settle for whatever the criminal justice system has deemed an appropriate penalty for repeated gang rape of a juvenile, whatever that might be.

459 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:23:30am

re: #457 Vicious Babushka

The forehead is a better option because the torso can always be covered up. But as I remember Lisbeth threatened to come back and tattoo his forehead as leverage.

Ah the forehead- the Basterd way :).

460 Gus  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:24:10am

Let the clown show begin in earnest! First order of business... teh gays and wimins.

//

461 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:24:18am

re: #442 Skip Intro

Was Adam Lanza's mom one of those "responsible gun owners"? I guess she was, right up until she wasn't.

Asked and answered already.

462 Joanne  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:24:18am

re: #458 erik_t

re: #454 Joanne

I'd happily settle for whatever the criminal justice system has deemed an appropriate penalty for repeated gang rape of a juvenile, whatever that might be.

If you're a god-fearin', Christian Republican, that would be a badge of honor.

463 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:24:30am

re: #424 erik_t

I'm pretty sure that Crazy-Eyes Bachmann retained her seat by less than about 4000 votes.

But she did it! Four times the voters of Minnesota have sent a woman that crazy and extremist to the House. And in many other places, they're going to keep on doing it.

The demographic shifts are great, but they're not going to be happening for awhile in a lot of those districts.

I'm glad the fiscal cliff was avoided, but what I'm most worried about is year after year of the GOP holding the debt hostage to hack away at funding for stuff like women's health, food stamps, etc. etc. It's their stated plan. I am not a huge critic of Obama-- I have no idea what goes into politics at that level-- but last time he caved on a lot of things. I think they're going to ask for more again this time. It'll be great if the new, tough Obama from these negotiations shows up, but even in this one he gave a little, going from 250K to 400K.

But he's somewhat paralyzed. The real solution isn't in his hands, it's in the hands of citizens to force change at the state level.

464 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:25:15am

re: #443 Dr. Matt

How do high schoolers become so sick, demented, and detached from reality to perpetrate such horrendous criminal acts? I suppose the teabaggers would blame video games and Hollywood....and Obama.....and teh gays.

When you are a star on a big Football team, you are untouchable.

465 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:25:19am

re: #436 Dark_Falcon

Boehner had promised that the Sandy vote would come up before yesterday.

He reneged - and gave no reasons. He failed to return Gov. Christie's calls four separate times. Never gave an adequate reason. Basically told NY, NJ, CT, and all Sandy victims to pound sand.

King was among those GOPers who called for action.

That could have been sufficient reason to cast a no vote - or threaten a no vote if the vote on Sandy aid wasn't done in time. Either the threat wasn't made, or it was and shown to be a hollow threat. Political SOP either way.

Boehner had his own reasons for delaying the vote, and splitting the vote into two separate parts - perhaps as a way to claim to be fiscally prudent even though the bill itself was pretty much clean of pork and was on point. The $400m in unrelated Sandy items were out of the bill by the point that the House could have taken it up. There's no reason to take two separate votes, except to make it more difficult to get passage.

That's bad precedent and it lengthens the amount of time before states get reimbursed for costs, infrastructure gets rebuilt, and businesses and individuals can rebuild their own situations because they await the government aid to get to work on the infrastructure upon which everything else depends (think beach replenishment/dunes/sea walls to lessen and/or prevent future damage).

466 Ian G.  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:25:56am

re: #417 Kragar

The same Roberts who refused to strike down ACA? Yeah, I'm sure he's listening closely to what WND says.

467 Joanne  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:27:23am

re: #465 lawhawk

Grimm said yesterday that the delays would cause many small businesses to shutter their doors.

468 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:27:33am

re: #466 Ian G.

The same Roberts who refused to strike down ACA? Yeah, I'm sure he's listening closely to what WND says.

He'll refuse to swear Obama in because Obama blackmailed him into upholding ACA! //

469 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:27:59am

re: #467 Joanne

Grimm said yesterday that the delays would cause many small businesses to shutter their doors.

But as long as the Big Corporations stay in business, we're good right?

470 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:28:09am

re: #467 Joanne

Grimm said yesterday that the delays would cause many small businesses to shutter their doors.

JOBS! Really I hope Boehner's proud of himself. Spiteful little asshole. If Sandy had impacted his constituents, he would have never done this.

471 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:29:00am

re: #457 Vicious Babushka

It's the Inglorious Basterds method. Nazis can quit wearing uniforms, but they can't go wearing a headband/cap permanently.

Nah, see, we don't like that. We like our Nazis in uniform. That way we can spot 'em just like that. We're gonna give you a little something you cant take off. /Lt. Aldo Raine

472 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:29:11am

Twitter responses to Sir John of Orange keeping his job:

473 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:29:27am

re: #464 dragonfire1981

How do high schoolers become so sick, demented, and detached from reality to perpetrate such horrendous criminal acts? I suppose the teabaggers would blame video games and Hollywood....and Obama.....and teh gays.

When you are a star on a big Football team, you are untouchable.

Penn State covered up the rape of young boys for decades to protect 1 person who wasn't even a player or a head-coach.

The area is apparently one of those 'cling to god/guns/religion' places, so it seems about par for the course that they'd condone violently raping a kid.

474 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:30:14am

re: #443 Dr. Matt

How do high schoolers become so sick, demented, and detached from reality to perpetrate such horrendous criminal acts? I suppose the teabaggers would blame video games and Hollywood....and Obama.....and teh gays.

Combination of being young males, poor parenting, and poor adult supervision/teaching in school. A bit more prone in athletic teams it seems since there is a need to develop a team spirit and sense of superiority since it proves useful on the field. Unfortunately, it can prove detrimental off the field since such an attitude can lead to extremely stupid actions.

I didn't see this sort of thing in high school personally, but I certainly saw it in college since the student-athletes (especially football players) were coddled and protected and had probably already been told for years how special and tough they were.

475 erik_t  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:30:44am

re: #473 Ghost of Tom Joad

Penn State covered up the rape of young boys for decades to protect 1 person who wasn't even a player or a head-coach.

The area is apparently one of those 'cling to god/guns/religion' places, so it seems about par for the course that they'd condone violently raping a kid.

I'm not sure if it isn't worse. At least the Penn State horror was covered up by, oh, single-digit people, and they at least had the self-disgust to keep it a secret.

This is a whole damned town, and they're covering it up in broad daylight.

476 erik_t  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:31:30am

re: #475 erik_t

The cover-up, I mean. God help me if I am ever in the position to declare that one kind of rape is worse than another kind of rape.

477 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:31:34am
478 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:31:37am

re: #472 Lidane

Twitter responses to Sir John of Orange keeping his job:

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Note to angry wingnuts, maybe you should have found a better candidate to replace Boehner than a man who was rejected at the polls in November. If you seriously think Allan West was a responsible vote for Speaker, you're an idiot.

479 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:31:41am

re: #453 HappyWarrior

Rape was just an excuse? Sigh I hate my fellow men sometimes. Really dude. Rape an excuse? Fucking pig.

Program > People. Same attitude as the whole Penn State thing.

480 Joanne  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:31:41am

re: #469 dragonfire1981

But as long as the Big Corporations stay in business, we're good right?

When you have a disaster like this, sometimes those are the only ones in any position to sustain themselves without relief. How many small businesses can just reshuffle all their work to another location?

I wish there was more focus on small business (other than lip service) because they truly are the backbone of this country.

481 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:32:27am

re: #479 Feline Fearless Leader

Program > People. Same attitude as the whole Penn State thing.

Yeah it's terrible. I love sports. I really do but a sports program should not come before the well being of human beings.

482 Joanne  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:32:59am

re: #472 Lidane

I love the #tlot hashtag. That theres' funny.

483 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:33:04am

re: #464 dragonfire1981

When you are a star on a big Football team, you are untouchable.

Yep. It's Football Uber Alles. High school athletes can pretty much get away with anything in a small town.

484 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:33:46am

re: #465 lawhawk

Boehner had promised that the Sandy vote would come up before yesterday.

He reneged - and gave no reasons. He failed to return Gov. Christie's calls four separate times. Never gave an adequate reason. Basically told NY, NJ, CT, and all Sandy victims to pound sand.

King was among those GOPers who called for action.

That could have been sufficient reason to cast a no vote - or threaten a no vote if the vote on Sandy aid wasn't done in time. Either the threat wasn't made, or it was and shown to be a hollow threat. Political SOP either way.

Boehner had his own reasons for delaying the vote, and splitting the vote into two separate parts - perhaps as a way to claim to be fiscally prudent even though the bill itself was pretty much clean of pork and was on point. The $400m in unrelated Sandy items were out of the bill by the point that the House could have taken it up. There's no reason to take two separate votes, except to make it more difficult to get passage.

That's bad precedent and it lengthens the amount of time before states get reimbursed for costs, infrastructure gets rebuilt, and businesses and individuals can rebuild their own situations because they await the government aid to get to work on the infrastructure upon which everything else depends (think beach replenishment/dunes/sea walls to lessen and/or prevent future damage).

King likely decided that he'd risk getting hosed again on the grounds that any replacement for Boehner would likely be worse. BOHICA!

BOHICA = Bend Over, Here It Comes Again.

485 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:33:53am

re: #458 erik_t

re: #454 Joanne

I'd happily settle for whatever the criminal justice system has deemed an appropriate penalty for repeated gang rape of a juvenile, whatever that might be.

If the rapists are under eighteen I think it wouldn't matter unless they get tried as adults. Don't juvenile records generally get expunged when the child reaches their majority?

Of equal interest is to watch how the community reacts to this. If they rally behind their football team make yourself a clear note never to live anywhere near the place.

486 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:33:54am

re: #479 Feline Fearless Leader

Program > People. Same attitude as the whole Penn State thing.

Yep, because the parents of the players all think the same thing: "This could my kid's meal ticket to a college scholarship! I can't let this floozy destroy my baby's future!"

487 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:34:03am
488 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:34:36am

re: #475 erik_t

I wasn't trying to equate anything here, just remarking on how the culture of football and militant conservatism will tolerate and actually incentivise these types of acts.

I'm sure that plenty of folks who supported Penn State, as well as the students and Alumni would happily have tried to cover up everything if given the opportunity.

489 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:35:43am

re: #483 Lidane

Yep. It's Football Uber Alles. High school athletes can pretty much get away with anything in a small town.

As at Penn State, the local football team is a driver for the local economy, so it becomes untouchable.

490 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:36:08am

re: #482 Joanne

I love the #tlot hashtag. That theres' funny.

#tlot and #tcot are like conjoined twins. Lots of the same crazy cross-posted in both places.

491 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:36:09am

re: #487 Lidane

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And I'll thank the ladies for that a thousand times if I could. Women are more smart voters than guy ones.

492 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:36:11am

re: #483 Lidane

Yep. It's Football Uber Alles. High school athletes can pretty much get away with anything in a small town.

And college athletes. And larger towns.

493 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:36:29am

re: #480 Joanne

When you have a disaster like this, sometimes those are the only ones in any position to sustain themselves without relief. How many small businesses can just reshuffle all their work to another location?

I wish there was more focus on small business (other than lip service) because they truly are the backbone of this country.

I agree with you 100%.

494 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:37:10am

Er, what?

495 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:37:45am

re: #494 Lidane

Er, what?

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*headdesk*

496 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:37:51am
497 Joanne  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:38:19am

re: #485 Feline Fearless Leader

Allow my inner extremist to come out.

I think rape is worse than murder. Murder victims are taken from us. I am not, for one second, discounting the tragedy. Rape victims, however, live with it forever...until they die.

That rapists get a fraction of the sentence is, to me, an abomination. They should be imprisoned for as long as murderers and castrated. And elected officials who discount rape victims should be forever barred from public service.

498 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:38:48am

#TweatYourFear it really is trending!

499 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:39:51am

re: #494 Lidane

Er, what?

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This is why the gun nuts are worthy of ridicule. Cut someone's throat with a credit card? Yeah. Right after i bash someone's skull with a pineapple. Really. I understand why people value the 2nd amendment, I really do but stop lying about guns. They're designed for killing people. Credit Cards aren't designed for that. So, that's why it's absurd to compare the regulation of guns to say that of automobiles because a gun's purpose is to end a life whether that one is human or animal. It's why they were fucking invented. They were invented to be more efficient than earlier weapons.

500 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:40:05am

re: #494 Lidane

Er, what?

“A holstered gun is not a deadly weapon. . . . But anything can be used as a deadly weapon. A credit card can be used to cut somebody’s throat,” said Rep. Dan Dumaine, an Auburn Republican.

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I could stuff a sock down his throat and he could die of asphyxiation. All people should be nekkid! Just think how easy it would be to go Christmas shopping in the malls during the holiday season.

Fucking idiot.

501 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:41:35am

Afternoon lizards!

502 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:41:35am

Close vote: Boehner received 220, Pelosi received 192

503 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:41:39am

In other news


Geithner Said to Plan Departure Before Debt Ceiling Deal
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner plans to leave the administration at the end of January, even if President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans haven’t reached an agreement to raise the debt ceiling, according to two people familiar with the matter. After giving in to Obama’s previous entreaties to stay as long as needed, Geithner has indicated to White House officials and Wall Street executives that he is unlikely to change his departure plans this time,

Now the question will be, which big Wall Street company will he land with

504 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:41:58am
505 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:43:09am

re: #496 jaunte

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Not necessarily. The vote may well have just been Congressional Kabuki, where the outcome of the vote is agreed on in advance, and many who vote against a person or measure who vote in favor if their vote was needed to pass the measure.

506 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:43:16am

re: #503 sattv4u2

And which wall-street flak will cycle back into that position.

507 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:43:17am

re: #489 jaunte

As at Penn State, the local football team is a driver for the local economy, so it becomes untouchable.

I used to think it was tied to the local economy but it isn't always so. It's a matter of what gets glorified.

The sports teams is a major point of connection to the community. Yes, everyone knows the high school is "there" and they probably attended it. But the reason they go back to the school on a regular basis is the game - football and basketball mostly.

Go inside and ask to see the trophies and awards. As a rule the academic ones are paper and parchment on the walls. What's inside special cases and often sitting in focus positions is the sports stuff, and it's large attention grabbing pieces of sculpture.

Do the academics get signs and statues and pep rallies? Do they bring in donations from alumni? Are there state and national championships for academic performance?

The economic effect is as much a chicken and egg situation as it is the driving cause. If the sports weren't held as the basis of glorification they wouldn't bring the business.

508 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:43:20am

re: #504 Lidane

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Just like USSC was going to strike down ACA.

509 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:43:33am

Biden on CSPAN-2 right now doing mock swearing ins during recess...pretty fun to watch.

510 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:43:48am

re: #508 HappyWarrior

Just like USSC was going to strike down ACA.

And Romney will win by a landslide.

511 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:44:06am

re: #509 darthstar

Biden on CSPAN-2 right now doing mock swearing ins during recess...pretty fun to watch.

Link?

Edit: Never mind. Google is my friend. :)

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

512 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:44:09am

re: #510 Targetpractice

And Romney will win by a landslide.

Ayup.

513 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:44:27am

re: #505 Dark_Falcon

If it was kabuki, I think a lot of the tea party caucus have thrown away their scripts.

514 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:44:33am

re: #511 Dr. Matt

Link?

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

515 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:44:40am

re: #509 darthstar

Biden on CSPAN-2 right now doing mock swearing ins during recess...pretty fun to watch.

"I..."
"I..."
"Your names."
"Your names."
"*disgusted* Shmucks."

516 Joanne  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:44:43am

re: #502 Dr. Matt

Close vote: Boehner received 220, Pelosi received 192

If only Boehner was a fraction of the Speaker as Pelosi. She was the best speaker probably in my lifetime. He is a joke; as ineffective as Pelosi was effective.

517 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:44:44am

re: #510 Targetpractice

And Romney will win by a landslide.

This is good news for John McCain.

518 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:45:12am

re: #506 Ghost of Tom Joad

And which wall-street flak will cycle back into that position.


"(S)he is the only person qualified enough to lead us out of this ,,,,,,,,"

((we've seen this movie before, eh?"))

519 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:45:47am

Everyone around me has the flu. They all had flu shot recently, I did not and I do not have the flu. Flu shots are overrated.

520 blueraven  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:46:58am

re: #503 sattv4u2

In other news

Geithner Said to Plan Departure Before Debt Ceiling Deal
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner plans to leave the administration at the end of January, even if President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans haven’t reached an agreement to raise the debt ceiling, according to two people familiar with the matter. After giving in to Obama’s previous entreaties to stay as long as needed, Geithner has indicated to White House officials and Wall Street executives that he is unlikely to change his departure plans this time,

Now the question will be, which big Wall Street company will he land with

He has been in public service his entire career. Maybe he now deserves the big $.

521 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:47:54am

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

Everyone around me has the flu. They all had flu shot recently, I did not and I do not have the flu. Flu shots are overrated.

yay for anecdotal experience trumping statistical analysis.

In general flu shots reduce flu illnesses. There are spot exceptions. Not least causing this is the fact that the flu shot is based on a projection of the most likely variation, but most likely is neither all variations nor always the one that happens.

522 Joanne  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:48:21am

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

Everyone around me has the flu. They all had flu shot recently, I did not and I do not have the flu. Flu shots are overrated.

I thought flu shots gave you a mild flavor of the flu.

My doctor makes me get them...and pneumonia shots every few years. I had a flu shot in the fall and didn't get any symptoms at all.

523 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:48:23am

re: #515 Targetpractice

"I..."
"I..."
"Your names."
"Your names."
"*disgusted* Shmucks."

"Hurry up, Hurry up! At this rate we won't ever get to Rock Ridge!"

524 darthstar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:48:50am

When you're still getting your knickers in a knot over Elvis Presley, you know your state is not evolving.

525 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:49:09am

re: #521 kirkspencer

yay for anecdotal experience trumping statistical analysis.

In general flu shots reduce flu illnesses. There are spot exceptions. Not least causing this is the fact that the flu shot is based on a projection of the most likely variation, but most likely is neither all variations nor always the one that happens.

The past 3 years I did not get the flu and I didn't get a flu shot. My wife gets a flu shot every year and she always gets the flu.

526 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:49:31am
527 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:50:01am

"...Defectors from Boehner included Justin Amash (R-Mich.), who voted for Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho). Freshman Reps. Jim Bridenstein (R-Okla.) and Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) and Rep. Steve Pearce (R-N.M.) all voted for Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), but Cantor himself voted for Boehner.

Reps. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) and Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) voted for outgoing member Allen West (R-Fla.). Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) voted for former Comptroller General David Walker. Speakers of the House do not have to be members of the House, although they all have been.

Rep. Tom Massie (R-Ky.) voted for Amash, and Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.) voted for Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio)."

[Link: thehill.com...]

528 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:50:05am

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

Everyone around me has the flu. They all had flu shot recently, I did not and I do not have the flu. Flu shots are overrated.

That's a perfect demonstration of why using anecdotal data is stupid.

529 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:51:11am

re: #527 jaunte

"...Defectors from Boehner included Justin Amash (R-Mich.), who voted for Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho). Freshman Reps. Jim Bridenstein (R-Okla.) and Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) and Rep. Steve Pearce (R-N.M.) all voted for Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), but Cantor himself voted for Boehner.

Reps. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) and Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) voted for outgoing member Allen West (R-Fla.). Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) voted for former Comptroller General David Walker. Speakers of the House do not have to be members of the House, although they all have been.

Rep. Tom Massie (R-Ky.) voted for Amash, and Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.) voted for Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio)."

[Link: thehill.com...]

Ah I didn't know that Speakers didn't have to be House members. Still though, that doesn't make the votes for non members any less silly.

530 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:51:23am

re: #520 blueraven

He has been in public service his entire career. Maybe he now deserves the big $.

In October 2003, at age 42,[22] he was named president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.[23] His salary in 2007 was $398,200.[24]

Yeah. Who could survive back in 2007 on that paltry wage!!

531 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:51:50am

re: #525 NJDhockeyfan

The past 3 years I did not get the flu and I didn't get a flu shot. My wife gets a flu shot every year and she always gets the flu.

If we use you methodology and sample, 100% of ten year olds are twin girls.

532 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:52:17am

re: #525 NJDhockeyfan

The past 3 years I did not get the flu and I didn't get a flu shot. My wife gets a flu shot every year and she always gets the flu.

Over the past 20 years my wife and I have not gotten a flu shot twice. Both times were the only times she got flu - and major cases both times. In my case I got a mild case of the flu once when I did not get the shot and once when I did.

Now we've got four cases for data points. That's four of several tens of millions over 20 years. That is a large margin of error.

533 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:52:24am

re: #531 wrenchwench

If we use you methodology and sample, 100% of ten year olds are twin girls.

Crap my cousin's going to hate that even if he does like having long hair.

534 blueraven  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:54:04am

re: #530 sattv4u2

In October 2003, at age 42,[22] he was named president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.[23] His salary in 2007 was $398,200.[24]

Yeah. Who could survive back in 2007 on that paltry wage!!

Oh yes, CEOs, CFOs of big banks, hedgefunds etc... make 400K or less all the time. No bonuses either. //

535 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:54:10am

re: #531 wrenchwench

If we use you methodology and sample, 100% of ten year olds are twin girls.

What a coincidence, my twin daughters are 10 years old :)

536 erik_t  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:54:28am

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

Everyone around me has the flu. They all had flu shot recently, I did not and I do not have the flu. Flu shots are overrated.

Way to fight herd immunity. The elderly and infirm around you are grateful.

/spits

537 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:54:33am

re: #532 kirkspencer

Over the past 20 years my wife and I have not gotten a flu shot twice. Both times were the only times she got flu - and major cases both times. In my case I got a mild case of the flu once when I did not get the shot and once when I did.

Now we've got four cases for data points. That's four of several tens of millions over 20 years. That is a large margin of error.

Shhh. You're raining on the narrative.

538 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:54:39am

re: #535 NJDhockeyfan

Seriously, you're not turning into an anti-vaccer now, are you?

539 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:54:41am

Breitbart should be fun today:

540 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:55:35am

One wonders how many of those who voted Boehner did so after his promise of a Sandy relief vote this week.

541 erik_t  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:55:53am

re: #538 Obdicut

Seriously, you're not turning into an anti-vaccer now, are you?

D_F too, apparently.

Anti-rational anti-science folks are anti-rationality and anti-science. Film at 11, assuming the world makes it to 11pm. It has every other day, but today is a new day and one never knows!!!1

542 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:55:58am

re: #539 Lidane

Breitbart should be fun today:

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How long before Beck begins the "FLEE! FLEE FOR YOUR LIVES!" from Return of the King?

543 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:56:07am

re: #540 Targetpractice

One wonders how many of those who voted Boehner did so after his promise of a Sandy relief vote this week.

King and Grimm at least did.

544 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:56:34am

re: #538 Obdicut

Seriously, you're not turning into an anti-vaccer now, are you?

Of course not!

Geez, you people need to chill out.

545 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:57:32am

re: #534 blueraven

Oh yes, CEOs, CFOs of big banks, hedgefunds etc... make 400K or less all the time. No bonuses either. //

MBF MBF

(yelped to the strains of Auntie Em Auntie Em)

546 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:58:05am

re: #541 erik_t

D_F too, apparently.

Anti-rational anti-science folks are anti-rationality and anti-science. Film at 11, assuming the world makes it to 11pm. It has every other day, but today is a new day and one never knows!!!1

It's in jest I'm almost postive. I won't lie. When it is cold, I sometimes go global warming my ass. I know that AGW is still real but when it's a cold winter day.......I feel like we could use some of that warming heh.

547 Joanne  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:58:13am

Off to a conference call. Cheers all!

549 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:59:55am

re: #525 NJDhockeyfan

The past 3 years I did not get the flu and I didn't get a flu shot. My wife gets a flu shot every year and she always gets the flu.

The ding:

Rating: 1
Total: 1
Plus: 1
Dr. Matt (Dr. Matt)

What kind of Dr. are you, Dr. Matt?

550 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:00:00am

re: #544 NJDhockeyfan

Of course not!

Geez, you people need to chill out.

It's hard to tell-- you are still an AGW-denier, as far as I know, so your grasp of science is obviously terrible. So you might well be going the anti-vacc route too.

551 blueraven  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:00:07am

re: #545 sattv4u2

MBF MBF

(yelped to the strains of Auntie Em Auntie Em)

My point, in case you missed it, is that he could have made a lot more money in the private sector.

552 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:02:00am

re: #551 blueraven

My point, in case you missed it, is that he could have made a lot more money in the private sector.

My point, in case you missed it, is that not all in the public sector are working at minimum wage. Geihtners history, even in the public sector, is full of positions that come with titles/ perks/ good salaries

553 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:02:38am

re: #521 kirkspencer

Best to take the flu shot and reduce your chances of getting flu, than not taking it and leaving it up to chance. Reduce chances of spreading one of the strains to family and friends. Herd immunity and all that.

The vaccine makers are trying to come up with a flu vaccine that takes into account more strains or figure out how to compensate for all the different strains that might come their way. If they can get a breakthrough on that front, it would be a game changer.

554 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:04:25am

re: #536 erik_t

Way to fight herd immunity. The elderly and infirm around you are grateful.

/spits

But what if you don't like the elderly and infirm?
///

555 blueraven  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:07:16am

re: #552 sattv4u2

My point, in case you missed it, is that not all in the public sector are working at minimum wage. Geihtners history, even in the public sector, is full of positions that come with titles/ perks/ good salaries

Yes positions and salary that he earned. I never said he worked for minimum wage.
400K is not a big salary in the world of high finance. Maybe, just maybe, it wasn't all about the money.

556 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:07:56am

re: #541 erik_t

D_F too, apparently.

Anti-rational anti-science folks are anti-rationality and anti-science. Film at 11, assuming the world makes it to 11pm. It has every other day, but today is a new day and one never knows!!!1

I'm no anti-vaxxer, but given the way flu shots are marketed, they can indeed be seen as overrated. And last year I had one and then got the flu anyways. So I can relate to that post.

But I still got a flu shot again this year.

557 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:09:57am

re: #555 blueraven

Yes positions and salary that he earned

Where did I ever suggest he didn't?
400K is not a big salary in the world of high finance. Maybe, just maybe, it wasn't all about the money

Maybe, and it's great that he's always been able to do something he obviously enjoys, but 400K is also not below the poverty line!

558 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:11:02am

re: #556 Dark_Falcon

In what way are they marketed that you see as misleading, so that they're overrated?

559 blueraven  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:12:09am

re: #557 sattv4u2


Yes positions and salary that he earned

Where did I ever suggest he didn't?
400K is not a big salary in the world of high finance. Maybe, just maybe, it wasn't all about the money

Maybe, and it's great that he's always been able to do something he obviously enjoys, but 400K is also not below the poverty line!

"but 400K is also not below the poverty line!"

Where did I ever suggest it was? ///

560 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:14:48am

re: #559 blueraven

"but 400K is also not below the poverty line!"

Where did I ever suggest it was? ///

Maybe he now deserves the big $.

:)

561 blueraven  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:15:50am

re: #560 sattv4u2

Maybe he now deserves the big $.

:)

groan

562 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:17:38am

re: #560 sattv4u2

Maybe he now deserves the big $.

:)

That's not a suggestion that he wasn't making good money. It's pretty obvious that it was tongue in cheek and considering that many executives in the private sector of the same industry have bonuses bigger than his current salary, it's warranted. Let it be. It really isn't something to beat over.

563 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:17:59am

re: #561 blueraven

groan

{sigh}

564 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:18:37am

re: #562 HappyWarrior

Yes daddy!
{sigh}

565 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:19:15am

re: #467 Joanne

Grimm said yesterday that the delays would cause many small businesses to shutter their doors.

Yep. I saw a tweet or post about someone bitching "Why didn't they have insurance to rebuild? Why do they depend on the gubmint?". All I could think of was the fact that you can rebuild your business (building, grounds, etc), but if the fucking road is washed away you won't have many customers, nor way to get supplies needed to serve those customers, or a way to get to those customers from your newly rebuilt from insurance money business. Simple minds can only hold simple thoughts I guess.

566 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:19:33am

re: #564 sattv4u2

Yes daddy!
{sigh}

Grow up dude. You're being an ass.

567 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:21:11am

re: #566 HappyWarrior

Grow up dude. You're being an ass.

I post a story. Then state (accurately) that he's not been working for slave wages, but I'M being an 'ass"

Thanks for weighing in!

568 andres  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:21:35am

re: #360 Dr. Matt

The only place I see Bryan Fischer is here and on RawStory. I wonder if he's being paid by the Left to look make the right look stupid.

I resent that.

And no, he's not an invisible do-nothing boogeyman. His association has a strong following. Strong enough to mold the Right. While yes, his name is obscure, the results of his, and his association, aren't. That Wikipedia page should give you a good start on what he has done.

569 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:23:14am

STEEL

You missed dinging 552!!

570 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:24:08am

re: #567 sattv4u2

I post a story. Then state (accurately) that he's not been working for slave wages, but I'M being an 'ass"

Thanks for weighing in!

And no one suggested he was working for slave wages. It was a tongue in cheek comment considering as I said that there many people in the private sector of the same industry who get bonuses larger than that. I said you were being an ass because of your attitude. Don't know why you're making such a big deal over a comment like that. No one implied that Tim Geithner was making little money working for the government.

571 Henchman 25  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:24:59am

re: #569 sattv4u2

Cut that out.

572 andres  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:25:24am

re: #374 dragonfire1981

Makes you feel kind of wonder what the three guys who bother reading Fox News Latino are thinking.

Actually, the Fox News Latino isn't that bad. News-wise, it's no worse than MSM (IOW, clueless and wanting to appear neutral), but doesn't stomp to the level of Fox News. Surprising, I know.

Tho there was one analyst during the elections that did made me cringe...

573 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:25:49am

Anyhow. I'll let this be. Really not worth getting in an argument over. Just silly semantics when push comes to shove.

574 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:28:48am

re: #571 Henchman 25

Cut that out.

???

You downding me constantly without engaging me in dialog, but I should cut it out

mmmkkaayyy!!

{sigh}

575 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:02:20pm

re: #529 HappyWarrior

Ah I didn't know that Speakers didn't have to be House members. Still though, that doesn't make the votes for non members any less silly.

So a person that was not even elected to a public office can be two heartbeats away from president?

576 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:19:10pm

re: #575 Eventual Carrion

So a person that was not even elected to a public office can be two heartbeats away from president?

Yeah apparently. I always assumed SoH had to be a House member for obvious reasons.

577 Godisdeadandburied  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:06:56pm

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

We've been pampering their entitled asses for over ten years and they have not seemed to create many jobs.


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