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Boehner Reelected as Speaker by Bare Majority

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Speaker of the House John Boehner was reelected to that position today, but just barely: Boehner Reelected as Speaker; Nine Republicans Defect in Vote.

Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) was reelected Speaker of the House on Thursday after a week of rumors of a possible GOP revolt. 

Boehner won a bare majority in a vote that saw nine Republicans vote for other GOP members, and several others who abstained from voting or voted “present.” Two years ago, Boehner won all 241 available GOP votes.

The two craziest Republicans in the House, Paul “Evolution is a Lie from the Pit of Hell” Broun and Louie “Terror Babies” Gohmert, voted for — believe it or not — lunatic war criminal Allen West. Gotta love that.

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1 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:41:16am

And first order of business for the House majority?

2 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:41:54am

The United States House of Representatives, now known to the rest of the world as the most expensive and dysfunctional soap opera in history.

3 dragonath  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:42:03am
Rep. Jim Cooper (D-Tenn.), who cast his vote for former Secretary of State Colin Powell.

I need what this guy is on

4 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:43:13am

re: #3 dragonath

I need what this guy is on

Ah I figured that vote may have been from a Democrat since Powell's become persona non grata to the Republicans. Oh and apparently you don't have to be a House member to be Speaker but obviously all previous Speakers have and I imagine will continue to be.

5 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:43:29am
The two craziest Republicans in the House, Paul “Evolution is a Lie from the Pit of Hell” Broun and Louie “Terror Babies” Gohmert, voted for — believe it or not — lunatic war criminal Allen West.

And I'm pretty sure Allen West is no longer in Congress, or soon won't be. Derp.

6 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:43:30am

But Breitbart...

7 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:43:37am

How long until a rep attaches an anti-Obamacare rider onto the Sandy Relief bill?

8 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:44:02am

re: #5 Bulworth

And I'm pretty sure Allen West is no longer in Congress, or soon won't be. Derp.

Speaker doesn't need to a member of Congress

9 nines09  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:45:30am

So now John can get back to doing what he does best. Nothing.

10 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:45:45am

re: #7 Feline Fearless Leader

How long until a rep attaches an anti-Obamacare rider onto the Sandy Relief bill?

Bachmann to the rescue. Seriously what she's doing is literally textbook insanity. Really, look up insanity, it's doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

11 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:45:52am

re: #1 Targetpractice

Ah, these teabag Repubs. They're just on automatic pilot.

12 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:46:51am

re: #8 Kragar

Ah, yes, gotcha.

13 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:47:36am

re: #12 Bulworth

Ah, yes, gotcha.

It's still funny because I don't think Allan West plans to spend much of the next two years in DC. Why would he?

14 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:48:18am
15 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:48:30am

There were negotiations?

16 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:49:59am

re: #1 Targetpractice

And first order of business for the House majority?

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17 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:50:11am

re: #1 Targetpractice

And first order of business for the House majority?

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Stupid bitch.

18 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:50:34am

Once John is in, what sort of vote does it take to potentially leverage him back out?

19 ShaunP  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:51:37am

re: #5 Bulworth

And I'm pretty sure Allen West is no longer in Congress, or soon won't be. Derp.

Came here to post that. Today is his first day unemployed...

20 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:53:06am

What a freaking idiot.

21 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:53:52am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Somehow I don't think they care. They'll just move onto the next outrage.

22 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:54:19am

When were they ever "passive-aggressive"? They've been pretty damn blunt about where they stand for ages.

23 dragonath  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:54:34am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

What a freaking idiot.

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The Cornwall Alliance are the guys behind that moronic "Resisting the Green Dragon" anti-environmental series.

24 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:54:36am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

What a freaking idiot.

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Derpers gonna derp.

25 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:55:16am

re: #23 dragonath

The Cornwall Alliance are the guys behind that moronic "Resisting the Green Dragon" anti-environmental series.

But the Green Dragon has the only ale for the brave and true.

26 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:55:25am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

What a freaking idiot.

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My head.

27 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:57:03am

re: #7 Feline Fearless Leader

Not to give bad people terrible ideas, but what exactly is there to stop the teabag House from demanding a repeal of the ACA as the price for raising the debt limit?

28 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:57:15am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

What a freaking idiot.

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Nope. Not gonna watch. I value my brain cells too much for that.

29 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:58:25am
30 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:58:56am

re: #29 Lidane

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Maybe he should just resign and do us all a favor.

31 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:59:33am

re: #27 Bulworth

Not to give bad people terrible ideas, but what exactly is there to stop the teabag House from demanding a repeal of the ACA as the price for raising the debt limit?

They tried it last year and Obama told them to go fuck themselves. No, this time they will be demanding that Medicare be turned into a voucher and that Medicaid be "returned" to states in block grants. Basically the Ryan Plan. I think Obama's response will be the same.

32 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:59:45am

re: #27 Bulworth

Not to give bad people terrible ideas, but what exactly is there to stop the teabag House from demanding a repeal of the ACA as the price for raising the debt limit?

Nothing, really. Most of them are in safe districts populated with crazy/stupid shits, so they'll most likely be re-elected and aren't worried about getting primaried.

I mean, that's it. There's no recourse at that point except for PBO to find a legal loophole and keep things running without Congress. I doubt he'd do it because he can be a pussy at times, but, here we are.

33 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:59:48am

re: #29 Lidane

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"Screw you guys, I'm playing Bejeweled."

34 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:59:56am

Sorry for going OT but I just signed up for an Amazon Prime account. Two of my kids have already joined up! (You can invite up to 4 family members to share your account)

35 dragonath  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:00:33pm
36 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:00:33pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Maybe he should just resign and do us all a favor.

I have to get a real job? No way. As of right now he is basically being paid to be crazy and there is no better gig then that.

37 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:00:52pm

re: #33 Kragar

"Screw you guys, I'm playing Bejeweled."

Angry Birds Star Wars or GTFO.

38 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:01:15pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Sorry for going OT but I just signed up for an Amazon Prime account. Two of my kids have already joined up! (You can invite up to 4 family members to share your account)

I use it and Netflix. It really is great. They even have a copy on there of The Dead which I really want to see after having read that story several times now.

39 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:01:58pm

CNN's webpage now:

In accepting second term as speaker of the House, John Boehner says debt is imperiling the American Dream

Sigh. There must be some glue around somewhere I can sniff.

40 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:02:19pm

re: #36 moderatelyradicalliberal

I have to get a real job? No way. As of right now he is basically being paid to be crazy and there is no better gig then that.

Surely, there's room for another right wing blowhard talk show. And surely there's a book in it though I don't think Louie can spell Book even if you spotted him the b and k.

41 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:04:14pm

re: #39 Bulworth

CNN's webpage now:

Sigh. There must be some glue around somewhere I can sniff.

Well, he's right in the abstract. But it sure as fuck ain't the national debt.

42 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:04:48pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Surely, there's room for another right wing blowhard talk show. And surely there's a book in it though I don't think Louie can spell Book even if you spotted him the b and k.

Buk!

43 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:06:10pm

re: #42 Ghost of Tom Joad

Shariah!

This is Louie Gohmert remember.

44 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:06:48pm
45 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:08:00pm

I found this story.

Anonymous Leaks Horrifying Video of Steubenville High Schoolers Joking About Raping a Teenager ‘Deader than Trayvon Martin’

Usually, I would gripe about Anonymous for leaking this. However, from reports, it appears the town was sitting on the case, and the judge in the case may be associated with the rapist's families. The Ohio AG has told people give tips to him, and not the Steubensville PD.

In an unusual turn of events I have to give heaping bowl of credit to Anonymous. Without them, this attention would not have happened. Also, any of you live in Ohio?

46 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:08:20pm

re: #44 Lidane

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Beats the Republican response- Pelosi Lapdog Kits.

47 Destro  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:09:35pm

Second in line of succession to the president, ladies and gentlemen........

48 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:09:58pm

re: #45 ProMayaLiberal

I found this story.

Anonymous Leaks Horrifying Video of Steubenville High Schoolers Joking About Raping a Teenager ‘Deader than Trayvon Martin’

Usually, I would gripe about Anonymous for leaking this. However, from reports, it appears the town was sitting on the case, and the judge in the case may be associated with the rapist's families. The Ohio AG has told people give tips to him, and not the Steubensville PD.

In an unusual turn of events I have to give heaping bowl of credit to Anonymous. Without them, this attention would not have happened. Also, any of you live in Ohio?

Think this is the same story we were talking about downstairs some. Can't they remove the judge because of his connections to the family of one of the rapist? Lawhawk? Any of other lawyers or people who know about law want to give a helping hand here?

49 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:10:05pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Beats the Republican response- Pelosi Lapdog Kits.

And given the "lockstep" reputation of Republicans over Democrats even that smacks of projection.

50 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:11:05pm

re: #49 Feline Fearless Leader

And given the "lockstep" reputation of Republicans over Democrats even that smacks of projection.

Yeah if you look at elections. Registered Republicans vote for their party's candidate at a higher rate than registered Democrats do. So yes. Also consider the ideological diversity of the caucuses too.

51 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:13:46pm

re: #45 ProMayaLiberal

I found this story.

Anonymous Leaks Horrifying Video of Steubenville High Schoolers Joking About Raping a Teenager ‘Deader than Trayvon Martin’

Usually, I would gripe about Anonymous for leaking this. However, from reports, it appears the town was sitting on the case, and the judge in the case may be associated with the rapist's families. The Ohio AG has told people give tips to him, and not the Steubensville PD.

In an unusual turn of events I have to give heaping bowl of credit to Anonymous. Without them, this attention would not have happened. Also, any of you live in Ohio?

I would charge every member of the football team and their supporters with obstructionism, stake them down and let the girl's family take whatever measures they feel are necessary.

Subhuman filth.

52 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:15:34pm

re: #47 Destro

You know, now knowing the Speaker of the House doesn't actually have to be in the House, the Democrats should have pushed for Colin Powell. There might have been enough Republicans dissatisfied with Boehner that would have broken off. Given the few remaining moderates an out.

53 Ian G.  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:17:01pm

Allen West? What a cop-out. Why not Augusto Pinochet? Or Atilla the Hun?

54 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:17:49pm

re: #52 ProMayaLiberal

You know, now knowing the Speaker of the House doesn't actually have to be in the House, the Democrats should have pushed for Colin Powell. There might have been enough Republicans dissatisfied with Boehner that would have broken off. Given the few remaining moderates an out.

That's assuming that Powell would accept being SoH. Remember, he's seventy five years old and his wife has never liked the limelight. He probably wants to enjoy his retirement in peace and I don't blame him. Plus I doubt Powell is too popular in the GOP caucus these days anyhow.

55 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:18:11pm

re: #53 Ian G.

Allen West? What a cop-out. Why not Augusto Pinochet? Or Atilla the Hun?

Francisco Franco! Still Dead!

56 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:18:25pm

re: #52 ProMayaLiberal

You know, now knowing the Speaker of the House doesn't actually have to be in the House, the Democrats should have pushed for Colin Powell. There might have been enough Republicans dissatisfied with Boehner that would have broken off. Given the few remaining moderates an out.

Powell really let down the nation with his UN performance and complicity in selling the phony build-up to the Iraq war, but do you really hate him enough to make him Speaker?

57 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:19:33pm

If they want a popular right-wing figurehead speaker that won't negotiate with Obama they just should have voted St Reagan in.
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58 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:19:39pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Not sure of the facts and circumstances there, but if the local prosecutors are sitting on the case, and the judge is related to a suspect in the case, then there's all kinds of reasons for the Ohio AG to get involved, which it appears he's doing. If the facts warrant going forward with the case, then the AG could demand the judge recuse himself because of the conflict of interest.

59 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:20:15pm

re: #58 lawhawk

Not sure of the facts and circumstances there, but if the local prosecutors are sitting on the case, and the judge is related to a suspect in the case, then there's all kinds of reasons for the Ohio AG to get involved, which it appears he's doing. If the facts warrant going forward with the case, then the AG could demand the judge recuse himself because of the conflict of interest.

Thanks for the explanation as always. Noted and appreciated.

60 Mattand  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:20:55pm

Semi OT, as it relates to another nitwit GOP House member:

61 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:21:25pm

re: #57 Feline Fearless Leader

If they want a popular right-wing figurehead speaker that won't negotiate with Obama they just should have voted St Reagan in.
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Ha, why not. I mean West isn't dead but Reagan's corpse alone would remind older Democrats and Republicans of the good times he had with Tip O'Neill. Though you have to admit, as repugnant as West is, he probably doesn't smell as bad as Reagan does right now.

62 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:22:45pm

re: #58 lawhawk

This entire story makes me want to burn things to the ground.

Hackers produce disturbing video evidence in Ohio gang rape case

The boys glorified their crime online, shooting Instagram photos of the assault, making lewd updates on Facebook and Twitter, and allowing their friends, like Nodianos, to shoot photos and make their own updates and videos about the incident. In spite of the abduction and attack’s high profile in social media, townspeople have been reluctant to aid the prosecution of the crime in any way, lest it jeopardize The Big Red’s chances at another state championship.

Nate Hubbard, 27, a volunteer Big Red coach, went so far as to accuse the victim of making the whole thing up to excuse a night of excessive partying, “The rape was just an excuse, I think,” he told the New York Times.

“What else are you going to tell your parents when you come home drunk like that and after a night like that?” Hubbard asked. “She had to make up something. Now people are trying to blow up our football program because of it.”
...
“They pissed on her,” he said, before launching into a list of famous people the teenage victim was “deader than,” including “Caylee Anthony” and “OJ Simpson’s wife,” as well as “John F. Kennedy” and slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin.

The dossier published by KnightSec also revealed the intricate web of association between top Big Red players and staff and Steubenville’s top brass. Coach Saccoccia regularly breakfasts with the county sheriff. One of the boys accused of suppressing the crime is the son of a county prosecutor.

Meanwhile, it will be difficult for the defense team to allege that no crime took place with Nodianos insisting in his video, “They raped her more than the Duke lacrosse team” and slapping his thigh and laughing when a teammate asks, “Is she going to feel it?” and responding, “No, she’s dead!”

63 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:22:48pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Sorry for going OT but I just signed up for an Amazon Prime account. Two of my kids have already joined up! (You can invite up to 4 family members to share your account)

I've been watching the first four seasons of Fringe before the series finale in two weeks.

My only beef with Amazon Prime is there's no closed-captioning -- but, at $0.00 per episode, it's tough to find fault with the price.

64 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:22:54pm

Rep. Paul Broun also introduced a bill to LOWER the debt ceiling from $14.3 to $13 Trillion. Meaning we would have to instantly cut around $2.5 Trillion in spending for 2013. I guess he wants us to go thru an economic downturn that would make the Great depression look like the "good old days," the man is an idiot.

65 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:25:51pm

re: #64 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Rep. Paul Broun also introduced a bill to LOWER the debt ceiling from $14.3 to $13 Trillion. Meaning we would have to instantly cut around $2.5 Trillion in spending for 2013. I guess he wants us to go thru an economic downturn that would make the Great depression look like the "good old days," the man is an idiot.

Obama ought to tell him all the cuts would come from defense. lol

66 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:26:24pm

re: #64 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Rep. Paul Broun also introduced a bill to LOWER the debt ceiling from $14.3 to $13 Trillion. Meaning we would have to instantly cut around $2.5 Trillion in spending for 2013. I guess he wants us to go thru an economic downturn that would make the Great depression look like the "good old days," the man is an idiot.

He probably is one of those morons who thinks we could easily accomplish that if we just cut food-stamps, PBS, and abortion funding.

67 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:27:45pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Ha, why not. I mean West isn't dead but Reagan's corpse alone would remind older Democrats and Republicans of the good times he had with Tip O'Neill. Though you have to admit, as repugnant as West is, he probably doesn't smell as bad as Reagan does right now.

Why not. He can be "present but not voting". Works for Jeremy Bentham.

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68 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:30:57pm

re: #67 Feline Fearless Leader

Why not. He can be "present but not voting". Works for Jeremy Bentham.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I kinda half-expected there was going to be a picture of Terry O'Quinn with that article.

69 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:31:19pm

re: #56 Obdicut

I don't think Badly of Colin Powell. I respect him, and there may still be a few Moderate Republicans in Congress.

The goal should be get the remaining Moderates in the Republican out into a notable Third Party.

In Congress, the Democrats and them would form a Coalition Government.

70 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:31:30pm

re: #62 Kragar

This entire story makes me want to burn things to the ground.

Yeah, pretty much. It's just beyond the pale.

71 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:32:06pm

re: #67 Feline Fearless Leader

Why not. He can be "present but not voting". Works for Jeremy Bentham.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I imagine Jeremy doesn't smell as bad as Gipper does despite the fact Jeremy's been much longer. I kid. Anyhow. Allan West? Really? I'd respect Gohmert and Broun if they actually voted for someone who will be able to do something. Not like West would actually be effective though if he were still a member because I don't think he's even headed up a Congressional subcommtitee up so much as being Speaker of the whole frigging House.

72 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:32:10pm

re: #65 Tigger2

Obama ought to tell him all the cuts would come from defense. lol

That would be fun.

73 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:33:05pm

Tea Party Nation: Obama 'Hates America'

What he really wants is the power to be a dictator.

Barack Obama does not like the American system of government. He doesn’t like our founding fathers either. Our founding fathers were very wise. They dealt with tyranny in their lifetime. The fundamental purpose of the way they set up our government was not to be efficient or even to accommodate rapid change.

It was to block the accumulation of power by one man.

Barack Obama wants to change this.

Obama does not love America. He hates America. He looks at America through his Marxist background and sees not the greatest nation in the world. He does not see the country that has done more good for more people than any other nation. He sees the evil oppressive power that Marxists always view America as.

By continuing to borrow money, unabated, he knows sooner or later debt will completely bring down the American economy and possibly the American state.

There is a deeper battle here as well.

If Barack Obama and the Party of Treason can beat the Republicans down to the point where they abdicate or at least refuse to fight for their Constitutionally mandated role in controlling the purse, America will no longer have three co-equal branches of government.

If Obama wins this next battle, it will fundamentally transform America and our government. Which is exactly what he said he wanted to do when he ran in 2008. Obama has spoken several times, almost longingly talking about how he wishes he had dictatorial powers. Now, here is his chance.

The legislative branch, instead of being equal to the executive will now become inferior and submissive. The tyranny of the strong leader that our founding fathers feared will have materialized here in America.

74 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:34:19pm

re: #69 ProMayaLiberal

I don't think Badly of Colin Powell. I respect him, and there may still be a few Moderate Republicans in Congress.

The goal should be get the remaining Moderates in the Republican out into a notable Third Party.

In Congress, the Democrats and them would form a Coalition Government.

I don't think there's enough GOP moderates left. Seems like every term, a few of them either retire or get primaried off. We had one here in NOVA. Now teaches at my alma mater. His seat is now held by a Dem. I don't mind Powell but I don't see how he would make a good Speaker given that he has no legislative experience whatsoever.

75 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:34:34pm

re: #70 Lidane

Yeah, pretty much. It's just beyond the pale.

In wingnut fantasy world, the father would be fully justified in going Liam Neeson on the lot of them.

76 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:35:14pm

re: #73 Kragar

Tea Party Nation: Obama 'Hates America'

IMAX called. They want their projection back.

77 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:35:25pm

re: #73 Kragar

Tea Party Nation: Obama 'Hates America'

If he wanted to be a dictator, he would have arrested every single Republican who ran for President including the crazy no names that luck their way on to the ballot. Seriously, these idiots have no perspective. They don't have to like Obama's policies but their perceptions of the man's actions are fucking ignorant as hell.

78 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:36:25pm

re: #62 Kragar

Holy crap. There's so much potential criminality and liability there that it's almost mind boggling.

Besides those involved in the rape itself, you've got everyone involved in the coverup, the dissemination of the video, the law enforcement that failed to investigate, the local prosecutor that failed to do his job.

Burn to the ground? No. Prosecute into nothingness. Absolutely.

They were more worried that their precious football team would be around to win a state championship than punish those football players who were involved. That's something straight out of the Paterno playbook.

I can only hope the Ohio AG goes and prosecutes the everlasting life out of those involved - and gets everyone else associated with the program on obstruction charges.

And when he's done, the victim ought to sue them and more.

79 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:36:42pm

re: #27 Bulworth

Not to give bad people terrible ideas, but what exactly is there to stop the teabag House from demanding a repeal of the ACA as the price for raising the debt limit?

Nothing, same as the WH can reject it and let the debt limit stand as is. Congress is still beholden to pay for the debt that they (congress) had previously, in years gone by, voted to incur. Debt limit is another manufactured BS point of contention. The constitution mandates that it be paid (with a couple provisions of what won't be paid, like money to anyone trying to overthrow the government)

80 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:38:19pm

re: #69 ProMayaLiberal

I essentially want a repeat of what happened 100 years ago in the Senate. Rotating Speakership.

81 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:38:27pm

re: #79 Eventual Carrion

They really need to stop calling it the "debt ceiling."

82 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:39:15pm

Am I the only one who imagines Michelle Bachmann's repeal ACA bill to be the same repeal ACA bill she always submits just with the date scratched off at the top of the bill with a sharpie and a hastily written whatever date she's introducing it again? Amazes me that some people think that woman is presidential or even congressional leadership material. She's insane. Obama's not going to sign that repeal, Michelle. He's just not.

83 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:39:28pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Got any ideas for a Person who might be able to accomplish that goal. Aside from Chuck Hagel, who is badly need as SECDEF.

84 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:39:38pm

re: #73 Kragar

Obama hates America so much he just made the Bush tax cuts permanent for most Americans. Yeah, that's some serious hate.

Oh, you mean he hates the rich? Yeah, he's hating them to the tune of Bill Clinton who had the same tax rate in effect for the top tax bracket.

Oh, you mean allowing the payroll tax holiday expire? Yeah, that was a temporary measure - it was intended never to be permanent. The GOP might have had a wet dream about making the reduction permanent so as to starve SSDI and Medicare but that wasn't going to happen because those who receive the benefits (after paying into the system for decades) might not take kindly to that.

Oh, you mean the capital gains? Yeah, even there the rates aren't going up to confiscatory levels by any stretch.

In other words, a whole lot of hot air signifying nothing.

85 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:40:35pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Obama's not going to sign that repeal, Michelle. He's just not.

Pfft. Repealing ACA wouldn't even pass the Senate.

She's an idiot, but thanks to gerrymandering she's still got a job.

86 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:41:08pm

re: #83 ProMayaLiberal

Got any ideas for a Person who might be able to accomplish that goal. Aside from Chuck Hagel, who is badly need as SECDEF.

If I knew that, I wouldn't be interviewing for a library page position on Wednesday :). Okay smartass answer aside. I don't know. I do agree with you that we need more moderates but some of these moderates have to choose to divorce themselves from the GOP. They not with us prodding them have to see the light for themselves.

87 Sionainn  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:41:18pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Sorry for going OT but I just signed up for an Amazon Prime account. Two of my kids have already joined up! (You can invite up to 4 family members to share your account)

I had no idea that four family members could use the shipping benefits! Awesome!

88 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:41:29pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

She probably thinks that the House can pass, somehow it will get through the Senate (someone slipped strychnine in the guacamole?) and Obama's veto gets overridden.

In other words, no chance in reality. But she gets to play to her TP credentials and burnish her crazy a little more.

89 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:42:21pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Give them support as an out. Create a new party out of them. The Centrist Party. And give them help to get out running.

90 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:42:43pm

re: #85 Lidane

Pfft. Repealing ACA wouldn't even pass the Senate.

She's an idiot, but thanks to gerrymandering she's still got a job.

Yep. Seriously. It's such a stupid trick. Seriously, i don't think she's even gotten one bill passed ever. Not even one of those post office naming or Congressional Gold Medals honoring someone famous. She's terrible at what she does and yet still gets returned because of Gerrymandering as you say and of course idiots who have a herd mentality when it comes to their party.

91 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:45:30pm

re: #89 ProMayaLiberal

Give them support as an out. Create a new party out of them. The Centrist Party. And give them help to get out running.

Why would the Democrats help a party that could end up as its top opposition? Anyhow if the GOP implodes, it implodes without the Democrats help in forging a new party. I'm not disagreeing with the broad gist of your point. We do need a more serious and more moderate minded conservatism in this country but creating a party out of thin air isn't going to happen. Enough moderate Republicans have to say fuck it, I've had enough of these crazy wackjobs. Now in some ways, that is happening but it's not going to be done with the Democrats forcing the issue. Here's an example, the Democrats didn't persuade the Anti-Slavery Whigs to form what became the Republican Party. The Anti-Slavery Whigs had enough of the Whig Party's bs on slavery and started their own party.

92 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:46:57pm
What he really wants is the power to be a dictator.

Barack Obama does not like the American system of government. He doesn’t like our founding fathers either.

How do we know these things? We just. know. them.

93 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:47:00pm

re: #83 ProMayaLiberal

Got any ideas for a Person who might be able to accomplish that goal. Aside from Chuck Hagel, who is badly need as SECDEF.

Anybody who Pat Buchanan is pushing is highly suspect in my eyes.

94 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:48:41pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Well, the big solution then is to define areas of the country we can conceivably run all Republicans in the out, and encourage Middle Eastern Immigration to the Great Lakes region to reinforce that area.

Being a Scandinavian-style Social Democrat, I am way the hell on the left in the US.

95 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:48:44pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

Anybody who Pat Buchanan the entire RWNJ noise machine is pushing is highly suspect in my eyes.

FTFY

96 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:49:12pm

Also should mention that elected officials seem to have a strong sense to their party. Even ones that become increasingly far away from their party. I remember Lincoln Chaffee saying he felt he couldn't leave the GOP because he was named after Abe Lincoln. Most of these guys especially the career politicians are guys who go through the ranks of their party. They start out at their college or even high school youth version of their party. Not saying I condone the "my team" bs part of politics but this is what it is. Hell you still have some Southern Democrats who would probably be Republicans if they grew up north and west of the Mason-Dixon line but can't bring themselves to leave the Democrats because Daddy was a Democrat and so was his Daddy and his Daddy.

97 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:49:28pm
By continuing to borrow money, unabated, he knows sooner or later debt will completely bring down the American economy and possibly the American state.

I'm sure glad the teabag party has come along to warn us about the dangers and illegality of government borrowing. I mean, the American government has never, ever, increased its debt until the Kenyan ursurper came along. /

98 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:49:56pm
99 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:50:51pm

re: #98 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Like Joe Walsh another one hit wonder err wanker if you want to describe them more accurately.

100 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:51:20pm
101 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:52:05pm
102 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:52:44pm

re: #101 Lidane

[Embedded content]

President Obama sipping on some fine homemade beer and chowing down a good pork sandwich said the fuck you talking about Frankie.

103 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:52:46pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

Eh, I still like Hagel. He's no isolationist, and knows Just War (see Kosovo).

Speaking of Kosovo, I think another Serb-initiated War will occur in the next decade or so.

Serbia better hope Biden isn't President then. He's like me on them.

104 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:53:59pm

re: #101 Lidane

"unalloyed". Gaffney shouldn't use big words he doesn't understand.

105 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:54:08pm

re: #97 Bulworth

I'm sure glad the teabag party has come along to warn us about the dangers and illegality of government borrowing. I mean, the American government has never, ever, increased its debt until the Kenyan ursurper came along. /

I know, except for the, what, 9 times out of 8 years of Bush the Lesser. But the repubs forget about that. Old news.

106 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:56:06pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

President Obama sipping on some fine homemade beer and chowing down a good pork sandwich said the fuck you talking about Frankie.

Srsly. Obama's got a microbrew in the White House. How the hell does that translate into "promoting Islamism"?

107 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:57:36pm

re: #106 Lidane

Srsly. Obama's got a microbrew in the White House. How the hell does that translate into "promoting Islamism"?

Secret super-duper stealth Muslims are allowed to drink alcohol. If helps to fool the infidels.

108 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:57:53pm
109 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:58:26pm

Boehner Reelected as Speaker by Bare Majority


Using teabagger logic, the Democrats have a mandate.

110 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:59:13pm

re: #106 Lidane

Srsly. Obama's got a microbrew in the White House. How the hell does that translate into "promoting Islamism"?

Worst secret Muslim ever.

111 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:59:51pm

re: #107 moderatelyradicalliberal

Secret super-duper stealth Muslims are allowed to drink alcohol. If helps to fool the infidels.

Reminds me, this infidel needs to make a beer run soon.

112 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:01:28pm

Here's an interesting site I found concerning NJ Governor Chris Christie:

Where's Christie?

The linked page shows all the trips Christie made in 2012 on behalf of Republican candidates and office-holders.

Aug. 1, 2012 A Conversation with Republican Governors Christie participated in a round table discussion at the Aspen Institute featuring Governors Nikki Haley (R-SC), Bobby Jindal (R-LA), Bob McDonnell (R-VA), and Scott Walker (R-WI). Walter Isaacson, President and CEO of the Aspen Institute, moderated the conversation. Isaacson is also well known for his recent biography of Steve Jobs.

To be fair, a lot of his trips were on behalf of Mitt Romney and not just your generic dingleberry House or Senate Republican candidate, but as others here have said, with Christie you're going to get a little bipartisanship, but a *lot* of Republicanism.

113 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:06:00pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

re: #106 Lidane

Srsly. Obama's got a microbrew in the White House. How the hell does that translate into "promoting Islamism"?

Worst secret Muslim ever.

Not to mention that the FLOTUS and his little girls are NEVER in burkas and the FLOTUS is often baring her arms and legs. Terrible.

116 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:08:11pm

re: #113 Dr. Matt

Not to mention that the FLOTUS and his little girls are NEVER in burkas and the FLOTUS is often baring her arms and legs. Terrible.

Yeah. And I don't think there are too many Islamists that love Al Green and Wilco. Though I heard Bin Laden did an awesome version of Jesus, Etc.

117 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:08:24pm
118 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:09:48pm

re: #114 Varek Raith

“A holstered gun is not a deadly weapon. . . . But anything can be used as a deadly weapon. A credit card can be used to cut somebody’s throat,”
-Rep. Dan Dumaine (R)

I'd use an icicle, then let the evidence melt away. Isn't that kinda how PBO got rid of what's his name? Credit card, how normal.

119 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:10:26pm
120 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:11:29pm

DERP.

Foxnews: More People Killed with Hammers, Clubs Each Year Than Rifles

Of course they are comparing all types of blunt force trauma to one specific type of firearm, APPLES TO GOLF BALLS.

121 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:12:24pm

Your liberal media at work:

122 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:12:44pm

Texas Republican Suggests Falling TVs Are More Dangerous Than Guns

“I’ve heard of people being killed playing ping-pong — ping-pongs are more dangerous than guns,” he said. “Flat-screen TVs are injuring more kids today than anything.”

123 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:12:54pm

re: #118 Eventual Carrion

I'd use an icicle, then let the evidence melt away. Isn't that kinda how PBO got rid of what's his name? Credit card, how normal.

Don't forget that credit card murders have gone from 0 last year to an untold number of credit card murders this year. Seriously, this is what's wrong with the gun nuts. They refuse to acknowledge that guns are dangerous weapons who are invented for the sole purpose of killing people. If you want to tell me with a straight face that my credit card is as dangerous as an assault rifle, you deserve to be laughed at and then committed.

124 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:13:55pm

re: #122 Kragar

Texas Republican Suggests Falling TVs Are More Dangerous Than Guns

I lost my Dad to a stray Ping Pong. Nah, it was just my Godfather/uncle humiliating him and then my other uncle humiliating him.

125 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:15:47pm

re: #115 Kragar

Weapons grade Derp.

When you outlaw derp, only outlaws will derp.

126 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:16:55pm

re: #122 Kragar

Texas Republican Suggests Falling TVs Are More Dangerous Than Guns

Exhibit A of why gun control will never, ever happen in Texas.

My state is filled with morons who believe shit like this.

127 jaunte  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:17:36pm

re: #120 Vicious Babushka

"Texas deer hunter accidentally hammers son"

128 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:17:56pm

In related news, the Army has bought several millions Nerf Ping Pong launchers in order to equip our soldiers with the most dangerous state of the art weapons, while the air force is retooling every bomber to drop flatscreen TVs.

129 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:18:17pm

One more for the derp list:

130 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:18:26pm

re: #128 Kragar

In related news, the Army has bought several millions Nerf Ping Pong launchers in order to equip our soldiers with the most dangerous state of the art weapons, while the air force is retooling every bomber to drop flatscreen TVs.

TV's over Baghdad.

131 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:18:59pm

re: #94 ProMayaLiberal

Well, the big solution then is to define areas of the country we can conceivably run all Republicans in the out, and encourage Middle Eastern Immigration to the Great Lakes region to reinforce that area.

Being a Scandinavian-style Social Democrat, I am way the hell on the left in the US.

PLL, that's more than a little frightening. Tactics like that are a recipe for civil war.

132 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:21:02pm

Florida man who shot victim asked: ‘Are you Muslim?’

A Florida man was shot in the face twice with a pellet gun during the early hours of Wednesday morning after being confronted by another man in the parking lot of a Walmart store in Lutz, near Tampa Bay.

The shooter allegedly asked his victim, “Are you of Middle Eastern descent?” and “Are you Muslim?” before shouting a racial slur and opening fire.

Police told a reporter with MyFox Tampa Bay that the suspect is still at large, and that they are investigating the incident as a hate crime. The shooter is described as a white male between 18 and 30 with short blond hair, standing about 6 feet tall and weighing about 180 pounds.

133 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:21:07pm

re: #114 Varek Raith

“A holstered gun is not a deadly weapon. . . . But anything can be used as a deadly weapon. A credit card can be used to cut somebody’s throat,”
-Rep. Dan Dumaine (R)

From the comments section of that story:

raised in 40's, never had a problem, we had morals, common sence, WE KNEW OF SENDING TO DEATH ROW MENT,. is what is lacking today. MORALS!!

The thought of that guy owning a gun....

134 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:23:03pm

re: #132 Kragar

Florida man who shot victim asked: ‘Are you Muslim?’

They hate us for our freedom!!! (to shoot them in the face with a gun for just being)

135 Kragar  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:23:28pm

re: #133 BongCrodny

From the comments section of that story:

The thought of that guy owning a gun....

SENCE! That comment makes none.
/

136 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:23:47pm

re: #133 BongCrodny

From the comments section of that story:

The thought of that guy owning a gun....

Yes Morals are missing. You who grew in the 40's when lynching still occured in this country. Sorry. Not knocking people who grew up in the 40's. I'm sure most of them had happy childhoods but the revisionism and romanticism about the past is stupid. We for all our flaws as a society a better society than we were in the 40's.

137 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:24:11pm
138 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:28:06pm

re: #132 Kragar

Florida man who shot victim asked: ‘Are you Muslim?’

That guy should be charged with aggravated assault. A pellet gun like that can ruin an eye or knock out a tooth.

139 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:28:27pm

re: #53 Ian G.

Allen West? What a cop-out. Why not Augusto Pinochet? Or Atilla the Hun?

Shhhh! Don't give 'em any ideas!

140 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:30:04pm

re: #139 Romantic Heretic

Shhhh! Don't give 'em any ideas!

Heh. That reminds me. It really is disturbing to me how often I see Pinochet defended in right wing circles because he had a free market approach to the economy. Yeah forget about that whole mass murder of dissidents thing. He was a capitalist so he was great!

141 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:35:23pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

That guy should be charged with aggravated assault. A pellet gun like that can ruin an eye or knock out a tooth.

He should be charged with attempted murder.

142 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:35:38pm

re: #128 Kragar

In related news, the Army has bought several millions Nerf Ping Pong launchers in order to equip our soldiers with the most dangerous state of the art weapons, while the air force is retooling every bomber to drop flatscreen TVs.

Rofl.

143 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:39:05pm

The Right Wing Derp about the temporary payroll tax expiration is already gaining mythic proportions. Already you have people claiming that their taxes went up by $200 a week and similar nonsense. First there has not even been a pay period in this fiscal year yet. Second you would have to be making $10,000 a week for your taxes to go up $200. Third if you really are making that much you only pay the tax on the first $113,000 of income and then pay nothing after that.

These howls from people about the payroll tax returning to what it has been for more than 25 years are ridiculous. It was always meant to be a temporary cut to put more spending money into the hands of the lower wage workers and hopefully boost consumer spending a little. Meanwhile the Fed has had to "borrow" more money from elsewhere (really they have just been shuffling the books) to make up the money that SSDI should have been receiving.

Funny how it is always the people that make the loudest claims about how much they love this country that never want to pay anything towards making it work.

144 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:39:08pm

re: #141 Lidane

He should be charged with attempted murder.

The weapon wasn't capable of actually killing someone. Thus an attempted murder charge is in my opinion legally inappropriate. This is not an attempt by my to justify or minimize the bigot's actions, but rather my belief that the charge must fit the crime.

145 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:40:14pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

The weapon wasn't capable of actually killing someone.

He shot a guy in the face. What other intention did he have aside from killing him?

It's just luck that the gun he used wasn't capable of killing anyone.

146 Lidane  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:43:38pm

re: #143 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Funny how it is always the people that make the loudest claims about how much they love this country that never want to pay anything towards making it work.

147 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:44:15pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

The weapon wasn't capable of actually killing someone. Thus an attempted murder charge is in my opinion legally inappropriate. This is not an attempt by my to justify or minimize the bigot's actions, but rather my belief that the charge must fit the crime.

Even a halfway decent pellet rifle can easily kill a person depending on where the shot hits. Hell, my old Sheridan could put a pellet through a heavy oak wall (it's an old pump and has dick for range).

148 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:46:10pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

The weapon wasn't capable of actually killing someone. Thus an attempted murder charge is in my opinion legally inappropriate. This is not an attempt by my to justify or minimize the bigot's actions, but rather my belief that the charge must fit the crime.

Uhh...pellet guns do kill people occasionally, if he had managed to hit him in the eye cavity the man would now have a pellet in his brain. Maybe deadly, maybe not, but a .22 pellet traveling at 1600 FPS (there are pellet guns now on the market that achieve this speed) can do some real damage.

149 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:48:18pm

re: #148 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Uhh...pellet guns do kill people occasionally, if he had managed to hit him in the eye cavity the man would now have a pellet in his brain. Maybe deadly, maybe not, but a .22 pellet traveling at 1600 FPS (there are pellet guns now on the market that achieve this speed) can do some real damage.

ESPECIALLY at that close of range

150 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:48:34pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Heh. That reminds me. It really is disturbing to me how often I see Pinochet defended in right wing circles because he had a free market approach to the economy. Yeah forget about that whole mass murder of dissidents thing. He was a capitalist so he was great!

As my favourite author puts it, "Capitalism was content under Hitler, happy under Mussolini, very happy under Francisco Franco and delirious under General Pinochet." I say it's why capitalism has no trouble doing business with China.

There won't be any unions, or high safety standards, or decent wages there. Which is damned good for the bottom line.

151 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:52:07pm

re: #147 Ghost of Tom Joad

Even a halfway decent pellet rifle can easily kill a person depending on where the shot hits. Hell, my old Sheridan could put a pellet through a heavy oak wall (it's an old pump and has dick for range).

I stand corrected. If the pellet gun was capable of killing a person, then an attempted murder charge would be appropriate.

152 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:54:27pm

re: #135 Kragar

SENCE! That comment makes none.
/

He was just making a mute point

153 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:56:43pm

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

I stand corrected. If the pellet gun was capable of killing a person, then an attempted murder charge would be appropriate.

I mean, I'd agree with ya if it was a BB gun or something that would never penetrate flesh, but when I hear 'pellet' it's really no different than using a real gun in terms of using air to push a bullet intended to penetrate and do damage.

154 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:59:36pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

The weapon wasn't capable of actually killing someone. Thus an attempted murder charge is in my opinion legally inappropriate. This is not an attempt by my to justify or minimize the bigot's actions, but rather my belief that the charge must fit the crime.

"From July 1993 to July 2003, non-powder guns caused 40 deaths nationwide"

-2.Jennifer E. Keller et al., Air-Gun Injuries: Initial Evaluation and Resultant Morbidity, 70 Am. Surgeon 484, 484 (June 2004)

155 Ian G.  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 1:59:50pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Heh. That reminds me. It really is disturbing to me how often I see Pinochet defended in right wing circles because he had a free market approach to the economy. Yeah forget about that whole mass murder of dissidents thing. He was a capitalist so he was great!

Yeah, about that whole "economic miracle" thing....

Image: File:GDP_per_capita_LA-Chile.png

Chile's economy really took off just about when Pinochet stepped down in 1990. For most of his rule, the economy went nowhere.

Just another right-wing talking point impervious to facts.

156 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 2:04:00pm

re: #153 Ghost of Tom Joad

I mean, I'd agree with ya if it was a BB gun or something that would never penetrate flesh, but when I hear 'pellet' it's really no different than using a real gun in terms of using air to push a bullet intended to penetrate and do damage.

I understand now. I hadn't understood the situation before but once I did i corrected myself at once.

157 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 2:09:36pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

I understand now. I hadn't understood the situation before but once I did i corrected myself at once.

Yep, and I updinged you for the honesty.

158 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 2:52:42pm

re: #133 BongCrodny

From the comments section of that story:

The thought of that guy owning a gun....

My speling and grammer prowis, let me show you it.

159 recusancy  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 4:22:12pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

Anybody who Pat Buchanan is pushing is highly suspect in my eyes.

He was pushing Romney...

160 Shvaughn  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:31:47pm

re: #132 Kragar

Florida man who shot victim asked: ‘Are you Muslim?’

Gosh, I wonder if the perp watches Fox News.

161 Shvaughn  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:34:02pm

re: #154 Eventual Carrion

"From July 1993 to July 2003, non-powder guns caused 40 deaths nationwide"

-2.Jennifer E. Keller et al., Air-Gun Injuries: Initial Evaluation and Resultant Morbidity, 70 Am. Surgeon 484, 484 (June 2004)

Yeah but what about flat screen TVs!

162 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:53:24pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

PLL, that's more than a little frightening. Tactics like that are a recipe for civil war.

But the crossing of hummus and lutefisk will be a war-winning combination!
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