Right Wing Group Will Punish Republicans Voting for Sandy Flood Aid

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Nov. 11, 2012: Destroyed beach houses in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy in Far Rockaway, NY. (Leonard Zhukovsky / Shutterstock.com)

You may have heard the news that 67 Republicans voted against Hurricane Sandy relief funding today.

Republicans who decided not to punish the blue states, however, will now be punished themselves by receiving a negative rating on the Club for Growth purity test: Club for Growth Will Punish Members Voting for Sandy Flood Aid.

Andy Roth

The conservative Club for Growth said Friday that it will punish House members who voted for a flood insurance measure aimed at helping pay for Hurricane Sandy’s damage.

The Club will “key-vote” the measure, using it to compile an annual rating for each lawmaker. …

“Congress should not allow the federal government to be involved in the flood insurance industry in the first place, let alone expand the National Flood Insurance Program’s authority,” a statement from the Club’s Andy Roth said.

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147 comments
1 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:37:09pm

CFG, grow a pitchfork up your own bottom.

No love,
Me

2 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:40:13pm

Club For Growth=Heartless bastards.

3 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:41:28pm
The original Club for Growth was founded in 1999 by Stephen Moore, Thomas L. "Dusty" Rhodes, and Richard Gilder. Moore served as the first president of the original Club from 1999-2005. Current Pennsylvania United States Senator Pat Toomey served as president from 2005-2009. The current president is the former Indiana Congressman, Chris Chocola.
4 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:41:31pm
Club for Growth (CFG) was founded in 1999.
President/CEO: Pat Toomey (former Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from Pennsylvania's 15th District)
Founder: Stephen "Steve" Moore
Executive Director: David Keating
Board Members: CFG President Pat Toomey, Vice President Chuck Pike, Richard Gilder, formerly Chairman of the Manhattan Institute, and Thomas Rhodes, President of National Review magazine, associated with a variety of right-wing organizations, including the Heritage Foundation.

"CFG's ex-president and founder Steve Moore has called for closing several government departments, including Education, Commerce, Labor and Agriculture."

5 Kid A  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:41:38pm

Soooo, when did the Club for Growth become part of the political process again?

6 Kid A  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:43:27pm

Dear Andy Roth,

Fuck you and your bad haircut.

Regards,

The human race.

7 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:43:43pm

re: #5 Kid A

Soooo, when did the Club for Growth become part of the political process again?

November 2nd, 2010

8 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:45:09pm
Previously, Mr. Roth was a securities trader for an established broker-dealer in Omaha, Nebraska. At that time, Mr. Roth was also the owner and publisher for The Iron Fist of Capitalism, a website that analyzed supply-side economics and its positive effects on national politics and the financial markets.
[Link: www.clubforgrowth.org...]
9 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:46:22pm

This causes me to boil.

I have an idea.

Deny all disaster aid to Deep South States until they take enough damage to equal Sandy.

Also, TF2 downloaded much shorter than Empire.

10 Kid A  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:47:48pm

re: #8 jaunte


I'm gonna go waaaaay out on a limb here, but how much ya wanna bet ol' Andy is a Rand disciple?

11 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:48:06pm

re: #9 ProMayaLiberal

Deny all disaster aid to Deep South States until they take enough damage to equal Sandy.

Seriously, enough with the penalize-the-innocent-40%. We're better than that. You should be too.

12 wilburs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:48:40pm

LOL

I just saw Steve Moore on TV yesterday bemoaning that partisanship is the worst he has seen in 30 years

No mention of his part in creating that situation

13 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:49:39pm

If anyone wants to know where the "no" votes came from on this bill, look at this:

[Link: politics.nytimes.com...]

14 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:51:16pm

re: #13 dragonath

All those coastal Representatives should know better.

15 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:51:23pm

re: #11 erik_t

Okay, we will constrict that to the districts that voted no. Even those in Blue States.

16 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:52:26pm

re: #15 ProMayaLiberal

Okay, we will constrict that to the districts that voted no. Even those in Blue States.

Group blame is always going to be fucking stupid no matter how many times you suggest it. There's always a shitload of innocents you're going to wind up pissing all over in your frankly scary desire to punish people and make them suffer.

17 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:53:28pm

re: #15 ProMayaLiberal

Okay, we will constrict that to the districts that voted no. Even those in Blue States.

You really need to get over this. Like, really really. It creeps me out.

18 wilburs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:55:28pm

re: #13 dragonath

If anyone wants to know where the "no" votes came from on this bill, look at this:

[Link: politics.nytimes.com...]

Boner didn't have the courage to vote at all

what a leader!

19 KingKenrod  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:55:46pm

Rebuilding destroyed infrastructure and paying legitimate flood insurance claims sound like pro-growth policies to me. If you think the feds shouldn't sell flood insurance, fine, but wanting them to delay or not pay claims is just stupid.

20 gwangung  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:56:09pm

Stoopid (tm).

Hard to grow something when a major part of your infrastructure is smashed and a big chunk of the population is shelterless.

21 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:57:18pm

The Kansas, Tennessee, South Carolina, Utah and Wisconsin Republican caucuses had a majority of their delegation vote against this bill.

And check out those no votes in Pennsylvania- those are new members, aided by the redistricting there. Gerrymandering goes hand in hand with extremism.

22 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:57:46pm

re: #9 ProMayaLiberal

Dude,NO. I live in GA, I am a true blue liberal. Why the hell should my family suffer because of idiots like my GOP/tea party congressman who has run unchallenged for at least a decade? We're AMERICANS. That means whether we love each other or not-so-much, we care for each other. Including assholes.

23 AntonSirius  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:58:21pm

re: #16 Obdicut

Group blame is always going to be fucking stupid no matter how many times you suggest it. There's always a shitload of innocents you're going to wind up pissing all over in your frankly scary desire to punish people and make them suffer.

Mind if I just cut and paste this every time some purer-than-Ivory soap progressive or Krugman wannabe wants Obama to say no to a deal that offers any compromise at all to Republicans?

24 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:58:52pm

re: #15 ProMayaLiberal

Again, that is the road to civil war. At best, actions like that would make us into one of those countries where aid is only sent to the 'right people'. You've denounced the governments of such nations often enough, PLL. Put your anger aside and have the courage of you convictions.

25 Mattand  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:01:59pm

I don't like Grover Norquist. He's an unelected buffoon who has undeserved influence on our economy and properly elected officials. But his deal is he hates taxes. I get that.

Then you have Club for Growth.

There are residents of my state who are still homeless because of Hurricane Sandy. NJ's economy is going to take a beating this summer, and we already were having budget and unemployment problems. And to top all of that, NYC, the freaking financial center of the whole goddamn country, is still in desperate need of help.

And these clowns want to punish House members for voting to aid (however reluctantly) other Americans?

FUCK.

YOU.

26 TedStriker  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:02:28pm

re: #9 ProMayaLiberal

This causes me to boil.

I have an idea.

Deny all disaster aid to Deep South States until they take enough damage to equal Sandy.

Also, TF2 downloaded much shorter than Empire.

As a Tennessean whose house was made uninhabitable (and had to be knocked down and rebuilt) due to unprecedented runoff in a 1-in-500/1000 year flood back in 2010 (our house wasn't even in the traditional floodplain maps), lemme give you a hearty and well-earned fuck you, because you've been parroting this insane proposal for the past couple of days.

Me, my mom, and my brothers were made whole, in part, by assistance from FEMA, the SBA Disaster Loan Program, and the charity of a bunch of volunteers and contractors who cut us a big break; without them, we would have been fucked. That said, my mom raided her 401k for about $15,000 to supplement the $55,000 30-year loan (at 2% interest, mind you) they gave her to rebuild.

When it comes to disaster aid (among other things), we all pitch in to help each other, regardless of geography or political affiliations, because who else will?

27 wilburs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:02:47pm

Steve King voted yes

why would someone vote against Katrina relief, but in favor of Sandy relief?

I am sure it had nothing to do with the ethnicity of the victims

28 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:03:26pm

re: #9 ProMayaLiberal

What we could do though is make damned sure that somehow we get the word out to people who are hurting that their fucking congressman or senator is a callous asshole, a liar or whatever fits. Trust me,these pricks have enough skeletons in their closets and enough really shitty dealings in Congress that they want no one to know about. Find the dirt and expose them. In some cases it would at the every least make the bastards sweat at election time. The problem lies in unchallenged assholishness, they get away with it because they can.

29 Mattand  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:05:20pm

re: #27 wilburs

Steve King voted yes

why would someone vote against Katrina relief, but in favor of Sandy relief?

I am sure it had nothing to do with the ethnicity of the victims

LOL, because we all know what a homogenous, white bread culture NYC and North Jersey are.

30 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:08:33pm

re: #9 ProMayaLiberal

This causes me to boil.

I have an idea.

Deny all disaster aid to Deep South States until they take enough damage to equal Sandy.

Also, TF2 downloaded much shorter than Empire.

Two wrongs and all that... Can't/won't go there. FEMA has got to be held separate from this angry hateful partisanship. Deficit concern my ass. Sore losers.

When my home town was on it's back, FEMA came through so well it was later argued too well. Personally, I'd insist Sandy victims get the same. Nothing else is acceptable.

31 wilburs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:09:41pm

re: #29 Mattand

LOL, because we all know what a homogenous, white bread culture NYC and North Jersey are.

yeah

but that is not the picture the rest of the country sees, the public face of the disaster is white middle and working class, while the picture of Katrina was those hapless souls trapped in the convention center.

32 AntonSirius  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:11:17pm

re: #28 A Mom Anon

What we could do though is make damned sure that somehow we get the word out to people who are hurting that their fucking congressman or senator is a callous asshole, a liar or whatever fits. Trust me,these pricks have enough skeletons in their closets and enough really shitty dealings in Congress that they want no one to know about. Find the dirt and expose them. In some cases it would at the every least make the bastards sweat at election time. The problem lies in unchallenged assholishness, they get away with it because they can.

That only works if a decent Dem can be found to run against them.

When their only fear is a primary challenge from someone deeper in the lunatic fringe, this kind of thing isn't going to stop.

33 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:11:23pm

re: #23 AntonSirius

Mind if I just cut and paste this every time some purer-than-Ivory soap progressive or Krugman wannabe wants Obama to say no to a deal that offers any compromise at all to Republicans?

This presumes that the #FFFFFF liberal wants Obama to say no to a deal that includes beneficial-to-the-American-people compromises purely to spite the Republicans.

If there's yet been such a counter-proposal made by the GOP, I sure haven't heard it.

34 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:12:15pm

Club for Growth Decline

(Credit given to Kevin D. Williamson of NR for the inversion of the Club's name that signals the effects that group really has.)

35 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:13:37pm

35.2 percent of Alabama votes went to Obama. All our reps except Huntsville voted for Sandy relief (5 of them GOP).

36 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:16:17pm

re: #33 erik_t

This presumes that the #FFFFFF liberal wants Obama to say no to a deal that includes beneficial-to-the-American-people compromises purely to spite the Republicans.

If there's yet been such a counter-proposal made by the GOP, I sure haven't heard it.

The standard is really less about spite than it is about unreasonable demand for purity. AS is saying the whistle should be blown when someone is suggesting that "anything other than a purely (fill in your political persuasion here) is a dastardly sell-out to the evil other faction(s)!". That seems a proper frame of mind,

37 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:18:30pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

The standard is really less about spite than it is about unreasonable demand for purity. AS is saying the whistle should be blown when someone is suggesting that "anything other than a purely (fill in your political persuasion here) is a dastardly sell-out to the evil other faction(s)!". That seems a proper frame of mind,

The right policy should be chosen because it's right. That rarely correlates with purity, but if that means it's 100% Democrat or 100% Republican, then so be it.

Purity is, in principle, wholly orthogonal to correctness.

38 Lidane  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:19:09pm

re: #25 Mattand

FUCK.

YOU.

That's my response to these assclowns and I live in a red state.

These people are heartless bastards, full stop.

39 Lidane  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:20:09pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Club for Growth Decay

FTFY

All their shitty ideas would do is cause the economy and the country to degrade.

40 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:21:42pm

re: #37 erik_t

The right policy should be chosen because it's right. That rarely correlates with purity, but if that means it's 100% Democrat or 100% Republican, then so be it.

Purity is, in principle, wholly orthogonal to correctness.

"Orthogonal" meaning "at cross purposes with", correct?

41 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:23:35pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

"Orthogonal" meaning "at cross purposes with", correct?

Perpendicular is a special case of orthogonal; orthogonality is a more general version of perpendicularity.

42 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:25:37pm

re: #41 erik_t

Perpendicular is a special case of orthogonal; orthogonality is a more general version of perpendicularity.

Still, did I get your meaning for political purposes correct?

43 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:27:49pm

Michelle Malkin Knows Just Who Is To Blame For Withholding Sandy Relief

(It Is Obama Duh)

These are really awful people.

44 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:35:29pm

Here's a list of all the Congressmen whose districts are on or adjacent to the Atlantic Coast who voted against the bill, with dates of first election:

Randy Weber (TX-14) Elected 2012
John Fleming (LA-4) Elected 2008
Steven Palazzo (MS-4) Elected 2012
Ted Yoho (FL-3) Elected 2012
Ron DeSantis (FL-6) Elected 2012
Paul Broun (GA-10) Elected 2007
Joe Wilson (SC-2) Elected 2010
Mick Mulvaney (SC-5) Elected 2010
Richard Hudson (NC-8) Elected 2012
George Holding (NC-13) Elected 2012
Andy Harris (MD-1) Elected 2010
Scott Perry (PA-4) Elected 2012

Ladies and Gentlemen, the future of the Republican party.

45 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:35:44pm

Congress should not allow the federal government to be involved in

regretfully, 'conservatives' have failed to share with the rest of us their sooper sekrit handbook that describes what the government is and is not supposed to do

no, "the constitution" is not an adequate answer short of postulating your ability to read the minds of dead founding fathers in regard to 21st century issues

46 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:35:52pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

"Orthogonal" meaning "at cross purposes with", correct?

No. "measured along a different axis" -> not correlated with.

47 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:37:53pm

orthogonal

if the orthodontist made your teeth orthogonal, the results would be sub optimal

48 EiMitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:38:26pm

Club for Growth is right. Nothing promotes growth better than not helping disaster areas rebuild.

Derp!

49 blueraven  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:40:03pm

OT but since this thread is pretty slow

Obama expected to pick Hagel as opponents prepare for a fight

Watch out for splodey heads

50 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:43:53pm

re: #49 blueraven

OT but since this thread is pretty slow

Obama expected to pick Hagel as opponents prepare for a fight

Watch out for splodey heads

I'm against Hagel. He's unsympathetic to Israel and his view of the use of American power is too constrained for my liking.

51 blueraven  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:44:51pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

I'm against Hagel. He's unsympathetic to Israel and his view of the use of American power is too constrained for my liking.

How is he unsympathetic to Israel?

52 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:46:43pm

re: #44 dragonath

Randy Weber is from Pearland TX, which is situated in a flood plain. His own home and business are covered by:
- FEMA Flood Mitigation Assistance Program
- FEMA/National Flood Insurance Program Severe Repetitive Loss Program
- Pre-Disaster Mitigation Grant Program
- The National Flood Insurance Program's Community Rating System
- FEMA/NFIP Repetitive Flood Claim Program

53 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:47:19pm

re: #51 blueraven

How is he unsympathetic to Israel?

He's made some statements in the past about the Jewish Lobby an its control over US policy. Some not too nice statements about gays too. I don't think he's a great pick and I wonder why they can't find anyone better. His confirmation is going to be difficult.

54 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:47:44pm

Club for Growth. What a bunch of nonsense. It's a misnomer if there ever was one.

The whole purpose of the NFIP is for economic development in riparian and coastal areas that are prone to flooding. It allows businesses and individuals to develop property and live and work in flood-prone areas. Having that insurance builds economic value and that land is worth considerably more as a result of flood insurance.

Coastal areas allow for tourism - economic development that drives billions of dollars into communities and corporate coffers - including multinational corporations.

Club for Growth my ass.

55 freetoken  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:48:49pm

re: #49 blueraven

OT but since this thread is pretty slow

Obama expected to pick Hagel as opponents prepare for a fight

John McCain (R-AZ), who previously praised Hagel as a close
and dear friend, suggested recently that Hagel is not a real Republican.

Oh, my. Not a real Republican.

56 blueraven  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:49:01pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

He's made some statements in the past about the Jewish Lobby an its control over US policy. Some not too nice statements about gays too. I don't think he's a great pick and I wonder why they can't find anyone better. His confirmation is going to be difficult.

I think the gay community has accepted his apology.

57 wilburs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:49:52pm

This needs to pass

[Link: thehill.com...]

no excuses

58 blueraven  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:50:02pm

re: #55 freetoken

Oh, my. Not a real Republican.

I think they are still pissed because he supported Obama in 2008.

59 freetoken  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:50:34pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

... and I wonder why they can't find anyone better. ...

Because DC is a good ol' boys club and not prone to promoting unknowns to highly visible positions.

60 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:52:23pm

re: #58 blueraven

I think they are still pissed because he supported Obama in 2008.

Supporting the other party's candidate for president pretty much automatically puts you on the shit list.

61 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:52:50pm

re: #56 blueraven

I think the gay community has accepted his apology.

Some, not all. Barney Frank is still pissed

He voted consistently against fairness for LGBT people and there does not seem to be any evidence prior to his effort to become Secretary of Defense of any apology or retraction of his attack on James Hormel. And to those of us who admire and respect Mr. Hormel, Sen. Hagel’s description of him as aggressive can only mean that the Senator strongly objected to Hormel’s reasoned, civil advocacy for LGBT people.

Frank added: "I cannot think of any other minority group in the U.S. today where such a negative statement and action made in 1998 would not be an obstacle to a major Presidential appointment."

I don't think Hagel's appointment would be the end of the world or anything but I suspect he's kind of a dick.

62 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:52:56pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

He's made some statements in the past about the Jewish Lobby an its control over US policy. Some not too nice statements about gays too. I don't think he's a great pick and I wonder why they can't find anyone better. His confirmation is going to be difficult.

Why don't you think he's a great pick? I mean, not focusing on the minutae of some statements that is being used against him, but in terms of his actual foreign policy?

63 freetoken  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:53:08pm

The neocons don't like Hagel because he's not of the Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran chorus.

Too bad.

64 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:53:28pm

re: #54 lawhawk

Hawk - you have been providing a wealth of info lately. Thank you.

65 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:55:16pm
Banning people and things because of the way they look went out a long time ago, but here they are again. The color of a gun, the way it looks. It’s just bad politics.

-Former NRA President Marion Hammer

66 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:57:08pm

re: #63 freetoken

The neocons don't like Hagel because he's not of the Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran chorus.

Too bad.

Elections have consequences. But not to the GOP who have now realized their only power is the power of the temper tantrum.

67 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:57:26pm

re: #59 freetoken

Because DC is a good ol' boys club and not prone to promoting unknowns to highly visible positions.

Good point. He's been around for a while...
[Link: thecable.foreignpolicy.com...]

Hagel has also been president and CEO of the Private Sector Council, a nonprofit organization formed to assist federal government agencies, chairman of the Atlantic Council, a non-partisan think tank, co-founder and president of Collins, Hagel & Clarke, a marketing and communications firm, co-founder of Vanguard Cellular Systems Inc., one of the nation's first non-wire cellular telephone carriers, and president of McCarthy & Co., an investment banking firm in Omaha, Nebraska.

68 blueraven  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:57:48pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Some, not all. Barney Frank is still pissed

Frank added: "I cannot think of any other minority group in the U.S. today where such a negative statement and action made in 1998 would not be an obstacle to a major Presidential appointment."

I don't think Hagel's appointment would be the end of the world or anything but I suspect he's kind of a dick.

So? I mean really, being a dick doesn't preclude anyone from getting a cabinet post.

Hagel is a decorated Vietnam veteran who served as the deputy administrator of the Veterans Administration during the Reagan administration and as the head of the USO. Hagel also co-authored the 9/11 GI bill as a senator.

They also note he has served in many private and public sector management roles, including as chief of staff to Rep. John Y. McCollister (R-NE), deputy commissioner general of the United States for the 1982 World's Fair in Knoxville, Tennessee, and chief operating officer of the 1990 Economic Summit of Industrialized Nations (G-7 Summit) in Houston, Texas.

Hagel has also been president and CEO of the Private Sector Council, a nonprofit organization formed to assist federal government agencies, chairman of the Atlantic Council, a non-partisan think tank, co-founder and president of Collins, Hagel & Clarke, a marketing and communications firm, co-founder of Vanguard Cellular Systems Inc., one of the nation's first non-wire cellular telephone carriers, and president of McCarthy & Co., an investment banking firm in Omaha, Nebraska.

Hagel is also currently co-chairman of Obama's Intelligence Advisory Board, a member of the secretary of defense's Policy Advisory Board, and chairman of the Vietnam Veteran War Commemoration Advisory Committee.

A bipartisan group of former senators and national security officials wrote to Obama last week to express support for Hagel's nomination. That letter was signed by former Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci, former National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft, former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker, and others.

Former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and Afghanistan Ryan Crocker also weighed in this week in support of a Hagel pick.

"Mr. Hagel would run the Defense Department; it would not run him," Crocker wrote in the Wall Street Journal. "And as America's wars abroad wind down, it is clear from his record of service to veterans -- and his own experience as one of them -- that they would receive the support they deserve after they have put their lives on the line for the country."

He sounds more than qualified to me.

69 Gus  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:58:58pm

re: #52 jaunte

Randy Weber is from Pearland TX, which is situated in a flood plain. His own home and business are covered by:
- FEMA Flood Mitigation Assistance Program
- FEMA/National Flood Insurance Program Severe Repetitive Loss Program
- Pre-Disaster Mitigation Grant Program
- The National Flood Insurance Program's Community Rating System
- FEMA/NFIP Repetitive Flood Claim Program

That's Ron Paul's replacement.

70 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:59:30pm

Oh wait, we've got more hypocrisy from the GOPers who didn't vote for the Sandy aid. The latest?

Let's go with Rep. Randy Weber (R-TX) who has no problem telling his constituents to go and check with the NFIP for flood insurance, but refuses to fund the NFIP when it deals with #Sandy aid.

Maybe something his constituents might want to know.

A sampling from his website:

Be Informed

Know evacuation routes, and listen to local authorities when asked to evacuate. Everyone should know their risks. Whether you live in a coastal community or inland, speak with your insurance agent now about flood insurance and review your homeowner’s policy. Every state is at risk for flooding and homeowners insurance does not cover flood damage. Flood insurance is a cost-effective way to prepare financially for floods. To learn more about your risk and flood insurance, visit the website of the National Flood Insurance Program.

To stay informed during a storm keep a battery-powered radio for weather and evacuation information should you experience a power outage and have extra batteries on hand.

Contact your local Citizen Corps Council to learn what efforts your community is taking to prepare for hurricane season, and learn how you can help. To find a nearby Citizen Corps Council or to learn more about Citizen Corps' Partner Programs, visit [Link: www.citizencorps.gov....]
More details on hurricane preparedness are avaialable from:

American Red Cross - hurricanes
Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) - hurricanes

No sense in checking the NFIP if you don't fund it to cover disasters from Sandy and after. No money - no insurance payouts.

71 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:00:02pm

re: #69 Gus

New face, same hypocrisy.

72 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:00:59pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

I'm against Hagel. He's unsympathetic to Israel and his view of the use of American power is too constrained for my liking.

And I'm taking it that the National Review was against Libyan involvement for principled reasons, too?

73 Gus  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:01:26pm

re: #71 jaunte

New face, same hypocrisy.

Texas Congressional District 14

Image: TX14_109.gif

Includes Galveston Bay.

74 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:02:25pm

re: #73 Gus

Otherwise know as where Hurricane Ike struck.

re: #72 dragonath

I am very much for Hagel as SecDef.

75 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:03:34pm

re: #73 Gus

Texas Congressional District 14

Image: TX14_109.gif

Includes Galveston Bay.

With it's massive sea wall to keep out the Old Ones.
Or something.

76 sagehen  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:03:49pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Supporting the other party's candidate for president pretty much automatically puts you on the shit list.

And yet Joe Lieberman held his committee chairmanship.

77 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:05:54pm

Well I see the Tea Party Demolition Crew of 2012 is off to a smashing start.

78 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:06:02pm

Apparently, North Sudan has seized Abyei from South Sudan.

Omar al-Bashir is a pain in the ass. He seems to like breaking Treaties and similar.

79 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:06:35pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

I'm against Hagel. He's unsympathetic to Israel and his view of the use of American power is too constrained for my liking.

how do you feel about kant?

80 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:07:01pm

re: #76 sagehen

And yet Joe Lieberman held his committee chairmanship.

IOK if you switch R

81 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:08:27pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Supporting the other party's candidate for president pretty much automatically puts you on the shit list.

i'll take How American Politics Are So Fucked for $500, alex

82 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:08:55pm

The sole Republican on my FB page claims that the bill had pork on it, packed on by Democrats. Admittedly I haven't read the entire bill. For those who have, is there any truth to the above claim?

My friend's claim:

I live in xxxxxxxx NY, and got hit pretty bad. Yet I can't see what an Alaskan fishery, or remodeling the Smithsonian have to do with relief for my community. They did pass 9 billion in funds today, JUST FOR SANDY RELIEF, the way it should have been originally. Any shame should go to senate democrats who loaded the original bill with pork and sent it to the house.

83 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:09:04pm

re: #73 Gus

Privatize it!

Hurricane Ike caused as much as $16 billion in property damage, by some estimates, but the state-led insurance pool that will pay much of the cost has only $2.3 billion, leaving the Texas government on the hook potentially for billions of dollars in claims.
Insurance companies all but stopped offering hurricane coverage for property on the Gulf Coast after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005 cost them billions of dollars in claims and as property values soared, raising their exposure to disaster claims.
The pullout of commercial insurance carriers forced most property owners on the coast to turn to the state-run insurer of last resort, the Texas Windstorm Insurance Association, or the wind pool, as it is called.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

"Under his administration, Romney vowed, states or even private companies would be encouraged to handle natural disasters."
[Link: seattletimes.com...]

84 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:10:15pm

re: #83 jaunte

We need State-Owned Homeowner's insurance.

85 gwangung  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:11:38pm

re: #82 Eclectic Infidel

If it was so laden with pork, he should have no problem pointing it out.

FYI, just $9 billion to fix $61 billion of damage is NOT enough.

86 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:12:56pm

re: #82 Eclectic Infidel

The sole Republican on my FB page claims that the bill had pork on it, packed on by Democrats. Admittedly I haven't read the entire bill. For those who have, is there any truth to the above claim?

My friend's claim:

We looked into it the other day. As far as I know the claim about Alaska Fisheries is bogus. There are provisions in the bill for wildlife, habitat preservation and erosion control in coastal areas but no mention of Alaska fisheries. There might be some sort of crossover with Dept. of Fish and Wildlife but the Alaska thing is misleading at best, probably an outright lie.

87 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:13:41pm

re: #82 Eclectic Infidel

BS.

There's $150m for fishery protection, but it's something the Alaskan delegation sought out since it was largely to assist with debris removal from the Japanese tsunami.

88 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:14:06pm

re: #82 Eclectic Infidel

My friend's claim:

I live in xxxxxxxx NY, and got hit pretty bad. Yet I can't see what an Alaskan fishery, or remodeling the Smithsonian have to do with relief for my community. They did pass 9 billion in funds today, JUST FOR SANDY RELIEF, the way it should have been originally. Any shame should go to senate democrats who loaded the original bill with pork and sent it to the house.

FUCKING REMODELING

Can'ttaketheseguysseriously. Reads like a tract from 1923.

89 freetoken  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:14:09pm

I bet if the allegedly pork-ladened "Sandy" bill had a special proviso encouraging gunz buying it would have passed with three cheers by the right wing.

Hoover gun dealer: sales up since Obama re-elected

Thomas Wright says gun sales started rising at Hoover Tactical Firearms the day after Obama was re-elected. Wright says sales went through the roof after the shootings last month at a Connecticut elementary school and that he's had to hire extra employees.

Wright says he's also seeing an increase in the number of people wanting to use the shooting range.

When he asks people why the sudden interest in firearms he says customers tell him they are afraid there will be a crackdown on gun sales.

He says the increased sales have depleted much of his supply of weapons and some types of magazines.

90 DREd  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:14:51pm

"Sandy victim needs more than hugs from Obama to rebuild along Jersey Shore"

-Actual headline on the fox front page. Malignant mendacity.

91 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:15:55pm

re: #90 DREd

DOUCHEQUAKE!!!!!!!

An 8.9!

92 wilburs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:15:59pm

re: #82 Eclectic Infidel

The sole Republican on my FB page claims that the bill had pork on it, packed on by Democrats. Admittedly I haven't read the entire bill. For those who have, is there any truth to the above claim?

My friend's claim:

The Alaskan fishery money is to deal with the fallout from the japan tsunami, and the Smithsonian roof collapsed from snowfall during a severe snowstorm a few years go. Not directly related to Sandy, but aid to mitigate damages from natural disasters

93 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:17:13pm

re: #82 Eclectic Infidel

BTW, the Alaskan funds are going to fisheries damaged in the tsunami (2 years ago!), and the DC funds are going towards repairs sustained after the earthquake, among other things. 400 million out of 60-something billion.

Preparedness, how does it work?

94 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:17:43pm

Clarity is good. Thanks much ladies/gentlemen.

95 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:18:32pm

Of course cretins like MJ Rosenberg think Hagel's putting the Jewish Lobby on notice
Nominating Hagel Will Send a Message to Netanyahu

There is only one way to send a message to Israel that will be heard: it will be by nominating Hagel. It is Israel and the lobby that created the Hagel issue. Why not use it to America's advantage? And Israel's too. After all, it is Israel not the United States that seems to be going over a cliff and, sadly, it is not just fiscal.

Mr. President, nominate Hagel. And fight for his confirmation.

96 sagehen  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:18:48pm

re: #82 Eclectic Infidel

The sole Republican on my FB page claims that the bill had pork on it, packed on by Democrats. Admittedly I haven't read the entire bill. For those who have, is there any truth to the above claim?

My friend's claim:

The Smithsonian's roof took some damage from Irene (not yet fixed) that was then exacerbated by Sandy.

97 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:20:02pm

Wingnuts are probably salivating about selling off the Smithsonian, kind of like how their man-crush Steven Harper was trying to sell off the Canadian Archives.

98 freetoken  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:21:38pm

re: #97 dragonath

It was a private institution, and I think still has a separate board, no?

99 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:23:06pm

re: #97 dragonath

In exchange, we should be threatening to Shut down the ship building in Pascagoula, and moving shipbuilding for the US Navy back to Maine.

Hell, let's do that anyway.

100 freetoken  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:23:14pm

From their page, it was private until President Jackson signed the bill that gave it government ownership.

101 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:23:58pm

Andrew Jackson: Big Government Socialist

102 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:25:06pm

Poll: Spike in Palestinian support for military operations against Israel

Palestinian support for military operations against Israel has registered its most significant jump in 10 years, spurred by the recent Gaza conflict, ongoing Israeli settlement expansion, and frustration over a peace process that has been essentially deadlocked for more than four years.

The percentage of Palestinians supporting such operations has reached 50.9 percent, up from 29.3 percent in January 2011.

The change in sentiment, together with a resurgent Hamas and an uptick in Israeli-Palestinian clashes in recent weeks, underscores the risks of a continued stalemate both for Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA).

“I think if the situation continues the way it is … the Palestinian people might rise in rebellion, similar to the rebellion being waged in the rest of the Arab countries,” says Shireen Qawasmi, a mother of three in Hebron with manicured nails and a faux fur wrap. “I will carry arms and be the first one to go and fight…. We are not war lovers, but when you see your children getting killed, and your land confiscated, you are forced to fight.”

103 freetoken  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:25:22pm

re: #101 dragonath

And it was Polk who established the board.

Back when American was communist, no doubt.

104 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:25:42pm

re: #101 dragonath

He was a bit of an a-hole otherwise.

Need me to count the ways? We need to take him off the $20. I recommend Teddy Roosevelt, or FDR to replace him.

105 efuseakay  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:26:37pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

I'm against Hagel. He's unsympathetic to Israel and his view of the use of American power is too constrained for my liking.

He'd pick Hagel as Defense Secretary of the US. Not Israel.

106 sagehen  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:28:17pm

re: #63 freetoken

The neocons don't like Hagel because he's not of the Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran chorus.

Too bad.

And because he was one of the first to turn against the Iraq war, to say it had been a big mistake and he regretted ever supporting it.

107 freetoken  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:28:18pm

re: #104 ProMayaLiberal

FDR has the dime, for historical reasons.

As for TR - he's already on Mt. Rushmore. And, since he was ideological allies with the Free Silver movement (wasn't he?), I suppose he'd do find on Reserve note.

108 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:28:55pm

pork

every spending item in the federal budget has an army of lobbyists behind it swearing that we will all be screwed if it isn't financed, and another army of pundits poo-pooing it

109 freetoken  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:29:25pm

re: #108 engineer cat

Everything goes better with bacon.

110 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:29:51pm

I kind of like the insinuation that fixing the damage by natural disasters before the Tea Party is now considered pork.

111 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:30:37pm

Why, this fault line ain't my jurisdiction. And this mountain full of flaming lava... why do we need to monitor that?

112 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:30:44pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Let's take note of what Shireen Qawasmi is saying in that paragraph. The Palestinians have some legitimate issues, even if they are about to go off and do something stupid.

At this point, bring Norway, Sweden, and Finland to negotiate a fair deal. They are well respected. And put heavy pressure on them (Israel and Palestine) to remain at the negotiating table. Threaten to pull aid we give both of them if they don't keep negotiating.

And tell the Nordic Triad that we will back up any solution they figure out. In anyway necessary.

113 efuseakay  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:31:09pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

He's made some statements in the past about the Jewish Lobby an its control over US policy. Some not too nice statements about gays too. I don't think he's a great pick and I wonder why they can't find anyone better. His confirmation is going to be difficult.

And looking at D_F... Saying he doesn't support Hagel because he's not sympathetic enough towards Israel proves Hagel's point. Do we worry about what politicians we pick to do certain jobs because those picks may offend someone like Turkey?

114 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:31:26pm

Sorry if these have already been seen 65535 times.




115 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:33:34pm

re: #107 freetoken

Well, who do you suggest for replacement of Jackson. I like TR for the $20.

Eisenhower actually would be good too? JFK has the Half-Dollars (we really should use those more).

116 efuseakay  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:34:10pm

re: #106 sagehen

And because he was one of the first to turn against the Iraq war, to say it had been a big mistake and he regretted ever supporting it.

He sounds like a great pick to me. I hope he's our next!

117 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:34:13pm

re: #101 dragonath

Andrew Jackson: Big Government Socialist

the tea party definition of socialist would fit any government since the sumerians

118 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:37:35pm

Yes, there were items for Alaska and the Smithsonian in the bill.

Alaska still has to clean up damage from the Japanese tsumani debris that is hitting their fisheries and the Smithsonian has to repair damage it suffered during the earthquake that was made worse by Sandy.

If Congress had dealt with both problems earlier instead of trying to repeal Obamacare every other day, not submitting a jobs bill, and playing chicken with the economy, neither problem would have needed addressing now.

Any other stupid complaints?

119 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:38:08pm

re: #117 engineer cat

the tea party definition of socialist would fit any government since the sumerians

Pfff, they're just a myth. How could a culture have existed before God made the planet?

120 efuseakay  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:39:30pm

re: #117 engineer cat

the tea party definition of socialist would fit any government since the sumerians

And the Olmecs are Commies comin' fer ur gunz!!!

121 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:39:58pm

re: #117 engineer cat

En-shag-kush-ana... now there was a Red!

122 freetoken  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:43:09pm

re: #115 ProMayaLiberal

Well, who do you suggest for replacement of Jackson.

Alice Paul

123 freetoken  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:43:51pm

That would 'splode more than one wingnut's head.

124 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:45:52pm

We should have a $1 coin with Nixon on it.

"Anyone got change for a Dick?"

125 JAFO  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:46:13pm

re: #122 freetoken

Alice Paul

We already have Susan B. Anthony.

126 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:47:11pm

re: #125 JAFO

Hope we can go back to that.

Aren't Dollar Coins cheaper than Dollar Bills?

127 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:47:46pm

re: #125 JAFO

We already have Susan B. Anthony.

We've reached our quota, then.

/

128 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:48:02pm

Maybe they could, you know, go back to using Lady Liberty on money.

129 JAFO  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:48:25pm

re: #126 ProMayaLiberal

Hope we can go back to that.

Aren't Dollar Coins cheaper than Dollar Bills?

Canada seems to think so. $2 too.

130 wilburs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:49:39pm

when was the last time you saw a half dollar?

It's been at least 5 years for me

131 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:50:37pm

Bryan Fisher would get a woody if he saw all the angels that were on this bill

132 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:51:17pm

re: #129 JAFO

I think we need to go that route. Every little bit of savings helps.

Also, get rid of the penny, or change the way it is made. We should try to sync up with Canada on this

re: #130 wilburs

I have a tiny little coin collection. So about a month ago. We should promote the use of those.

133 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:51:45pm

re: #130 wilburs

when was the last time you saw a half dollar?

It's been at least 5 years for me

Did you know that 64 Kennedy half dollars are worth $32?

/old joke. Not more than 49 years old, though.

134 JAFO  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:51:57pm

It's a unique feeling when you think, "No cash, I'm outa money." ...then finding $29.78 in coin in your pocket.

135 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:51:58pm

re: #131 dragonath

But there are naked women on it, so he would rage.

136 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:52:13pm

re: #131 dragonath

Bryan Fisher would get a woody if he saw all the angels that were on this bill

And then he would spend the rest of the day stabbing himself in the leg with a spork for the impure thoughts.

137 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:52:38pm

re: #135 ProMayaLiberal

The angel is wielding an Edison light bulb.

Proof God must be a Tea Partier.

138 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:53:32pm

re: #137 dragonath

Fischer reminds me of the Salafists. Neither of those would negate the naked woman.

139 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:57:16pm

We wouldn't want government getting involved in God's business, would we?

140 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:06:29pm

re: #114 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Sorry if these have already been seen 65535 times.

@Cmdr_Hadfield @WilliamShatner Neil & I would've tweeted from the moon if we could have but I would prefer to tweet from Mars. Maybe by 2040

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Shatner was still around in 2040. Does that guy ever slow down?

141 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:10:13pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Did you know that 64 Kennedy half dollars are worth $32?

/old joke. Not more than 49 years old, though.

His grandma gave my son a '64 half dollar for Christmas. She was unaware of how valuable they are. It went into his silver bear bank with his Eisenhower dollars. I need to get him a Peace & Morgan, perhaps a Seated Liberty if I can find one cheap enough, to give him some fun stuff. I think I popped the Mercury Dime I found in my spare change recently in there too.

142 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:32:19pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Did you know that 64 Kennedy half dollars are worth $32?

/old joke. Not more than 49 years old, though.

hmmm that's weird cuz 'peace' dollars from the early 20s still go for under $10 i thot

143 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:37:25pm

re: #142 engineer cat

hmmm that's weird cuz 'peace' dollars from the early 20s still go for under $10 i thot

50 cents x 64 = $32.00

One is worth around $10, it looks like, but at face value, if you have 64 of them, you have $32.

Sorry!

144 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:40:07pm

re: #142 engineer cat

hmmm that's weird cuz 'peace' dollars from the early 20s still go for under $10 i thot

Silver's worth more than that these days. I got my 1880 Morgan that I pocket carry every day for giggles for $24. As a film photographer, it's always nice to have a little silver to hand :)

145 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:34:01pm

re: #139 Kragar

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We wouldn't want government getting involved in God's business, would we?

If Sandy decided to damage a church I guess that was God's will, isn't it Mr Fischer? (Hypocritical gasbag.)

146 Petero1818  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:49:26pm

re: #113 efuseakay

And looking at D_F... Saying he doesn't support Hagel because he's not sympathetic enough towards Israel proves Hagel's point. Do we worry about what politicians we pick to do certain jobs because those picks may offend someone like Turkey?

False syllogism in my opinion. When choosing the Sec Def, it is entirely appropriate to evaluate past statements towards global hot spots to ensure that their view of those conflicts is in line with the Administration's and the majority of Americans. It is not about having offended Israel or Israelis it is about being true to America's stated position as to its steadfast support and defence of the state of Israel. I say this without regard to whether or not he is a good or bad choice.

147 Bulworth  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:31:00am

Well, I guess we just haven't reached bottom yet. Just when you think the GOPteabag party couldn't get any worse. And we haven't even seen their demands for a debt ceiling increase. Which of course was never a point of controversy until last year.


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