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Republican Hypocrisy Inaction Watch

GOPers who had no problem demanding federal disaster assistance suddenly find fault with Sandy aid
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Oct. 29, 2012: Flooded streets caused by Hurricane Sandy at the corner of Brigham St. and Emmons Ave. in Brooklyn NY, US. (Anton Oparin / Shutterstock.com)

The Republican Party owns this mess and more specifically the House of Representatives Republicans, up to and including Speaker John Boehner. They have had weeks to get a Hurricane Sandy aid package passed, but they sat on it. They’ve had a version to work with for more than three weeks.

The House finally acted today on one portion of the overall $60b request for aid from states affected by Hurricane Sandy. They finally acted to approve the $9.7b portion that re-funds the National Flood Insurance Program.

The people affected by this program are people who actually paid flood insurance premiums into this program for insurance. Republicans ignore that basic fact when they vote to oppose this funding. They have a fiduciary duty to act promptly. They failed miserably on that account, and it was only the righteous indignation of Republicans in New York and New Jersey, along with Governor Chris Christie to get even this meager piece of the reconstruction package to the floor for a vote.

The final vote was 354-67. All 67 opposed were Republicans. Many were from states that are regularly hit with natural disasters. Here’s the list…

When you start digging deeper, you see a rather disturbing pattern. These Republicans had no problem demanding federal disaster assistance for their own constituents, but when it comes to Sandy disaster victims, they suddenly claim that the money’s not there.

They’re hypocrites.

Among those that I’ve tracked down that have sought aid include some of the leading Republicans in Congress, up to and including former Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan.

The entire Kansas delegation opposed the Sandy flood insurance program fund bill, despite the fact that Kansas regularly seeks and receives without hesitation aid for tornadoes and severe weather as well as droughts and flooding.

For those who forget, Hurricane Katrina, which wasn’t exactly a model for federal action, still managed to approve the emergency aid package within 10 days. Congress is going on more than two months and still hasn’t fully funded the Sandy reconstruction. Fault resides completely with the Republicans who have held this up for nothing more than partisan political bickering.

Now, you’ll hear that some of these Republicans have no problem with disaster aid, but only when accompanied by offsetting cuts. None was requested or needed for prior disasters - and it sets bad precedent in any case. This is a fundamental job of governance and the federal government’s duty and responsibility to the public. This isn’t about finding ways to cut spending. It’s about getting affected areas back up and running and restore the economic viability of affected regions. The faster the aid comes in, the faster the economic vitality of the region is restored.

It really is that simple.

The faster the aid flows in, the faster the affected local economy will improve. Businesses will be able to move forward with their own rebuilding plans. Individuals will be able to move ahead with their own home restorations and rebuilding. Localities can plan their own rebuilding efforts. This all gets stalled because of Congressional inaction. And the GOP must be held accountable for this.

UPDATE:
Now there are some on that list of 67 GOPers who are new to Congress and don’t exactly have a record to review. However, that doesn’t mean that they haven’t taken a stand hypocritical. For instance, there’s Rep. Randy Weber (R-TX) who has no problem telling his constituents to go and check with the NFIP for flood insurance, but refuses to fund the NFIP when it deals with #Sandy aid:

Be Informed

Know evacuation routes, and listen to local authorities when asked to evacuate. Everyone should know their risks. Whether you live in a coastal community or inland, speak with your insurance agent now about flood insurance and review your homeowner’s policy. Every state is at risk for flooding and homeowners insurance does not cover flood damage. Flood insurance is a cost-effective way to prepare financially for floods. To learn more about your risk and flood insurance, visit the website of the National Flood Insurance Program.

No sense in checking the NFIP if you don’t fund it to cover disasters from Sandy and after. No money - no insurance payouts. That’s something his constituents might want to know, particularly since hurricane season is just a few short months away.

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155 comments

1 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:37:15pm

This would make a good front page post.

2 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:55:45pm

And so it is.

3 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:02:12pm

The GOP really has lost interest in governing. They exist solely for politics.

4 Skip Intro  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:05:58pm

Charles Pierce's column on the zombie-eyed granny-starver from Wisconsin's no vote today.

Link

5 Jimmah  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:11:25pm

re: #3 Obdicut

The GOP really has lost interest in governing. They exist solely for politics.

Which they are increasingly shit at.

6 Jimmah  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:14:14pm

Suggested new hobby for the GOP:

Image: DSCF1948.jpg

7 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:16:57pm

I'm thoroughly disgusted with the GOP in Kansas, they are all catering to the extreme right and it didn't used to be that way. Anyone remember Bob Dole?

8 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:18:22pm

Btw: I retweeted all of LH's tweets above. Maybe if enough do so they might get a clue.

9 Mattand  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:19:09pm

Tweeted and Facebooked. Thanks for the great work, Lawhawk.

10 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:20:34pm

I added the Shutterstock photo, so people can see exactly what the GOP is screwing around with.

11 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:30:12pm

List of 67 Republican votes now re-named "The Dick List" for descriptiveness.

12 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:32:41pm

Sandynistas.

13 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:35:49pm

TF2 has finished, and now Office has.

On to Lost Coast. Then TF2 Beta, then Medieval 2 and its expansion.

14 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:36:19pm

re: #11 Pawn of the Oppressor

I prefer my newly made title of "Douchequake Faultlines."

15 Jimmah  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:36:52pm

Kind of shocking how the GOP's cravenness just continues to escalate, even when events have made it crystal clear that this sort of behaviour spells utter failure for them.

16 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:39:42pm

re: #15 Jimmah

Kind of shocking how the GOP's cravenness just continues to escalate, even when events have made it crystal clear that this sort of behaviour spells utter failure for them.

They have decided that temper tantrums are the way to go.

17 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:42:08pm

The Republican Party is ruled by the dumbest and craziest of the right. The Club for Derp.

It's telling that the worst of it is coming from the House, where they have a majority. This oughtta teach America what happens when you put the GOP in charge of the legislature.

18 Jimmah  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:42:49pm

re: #16 Stanghazi

They have decided that temper tantrums are the way to go.

I'm thinking that too - childish contempt for the bad new world that so unfairly rejected them etc

19 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:47:16pm

re: #18 Jimmah

I'm thinking that too - childish contempt for the bad new world that so unfairly rejected them etc

No forward thinking. Just reaction. Waah.

But unfortunately its crazy reaction that hurts people.

Oh to be a historian. They are the only ones appreciating what's going on.

20 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:47:54pm

Radicals. No sense of duty.

21 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:49:02pm

re: #20 Amory Blaine

Radically stupid, that's for sure.

22 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:49:49pm

Since WWII, every single time the Republicans have taken a good grip of the house, something really crazy always happens:

1946-1948: The Do-Nothing Congress
1952-1954: McCarthy Hearings
1994-2000: Clinton Impeachment, Shutdown of Government
2002-2006: Iraq War
2010- now: Sheer Insanity

23 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:52:46pm

Sure enough, Neugebauer (19-Tx)

Lubbock Tornado, 1970

26 killed
500 injured
$1,411,900,000 property damage (2008 dollars)

The 1970 Lubbock tornado was a tornado event that occurred in Lubbock, Texas, on May 11, 1970. It was one of the worst tornadoes in Texas history, and occurred exactly 17 years to the day after the deadly Waco Tornado. It is also the second most recent F5 tornado to have struck a central business district of a large or mid-sized city, only to the 2011 Joplin Tornado.

You ungrateful bastard.

24 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:53:54pm

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

To be fair, considering what I have heard of Lubbock, could you tell the difference?

25 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:56:42pm

Randy Weber
Native and lifelong resident of the Gulf Coast. Married to Brenda Weber 35+ years, three children, four grandchildren. Owner of Weber's Air & Heat since 1981.

TX-14 · [Link: www.randyweber.org...]
[Link: twitter.com...]

26 DREd  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:57:21pm

What's both funny and sad is that the idiots who voted against the NFIP funding are people who consider themselves to be conservaties. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, conservative about failing to live up to a fiduciary duty. These people are reactionary ideologues masquerading as conservatives. And many of them are probably too stupid to understand that.

27 Skip Intro  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:57:34pm

Abraham Lincoln, commenting on the current Republican Party

"Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin in all events."

28 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:58:56pm

re: #22 dragonath

Since WWII, every single time the Republicans have taken a good grip of the house, something really crazy always happens:

1946-1948: The Do-Nothing Congress
1952-1954: McCarthy Hearings
1994-2000: Clinton Impeachment, Shutdown of Government
2002-2006: Iraq War
2010- now: Sheer Insanity

1920s - republican administrations crash with teapot dome and wall st crash
1970s - republican administrations crash with watergate and stagflation
1990s - republican administrations crash with iran contra scandal and recession of 1992
2000s - republican administrations crash with iraq war fiasco and great recession of 2008

vote republican for horrifying scandals and economic disasters

29 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:00:01pm

re: #28 engineer cat

Eisenhower was good.

30 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:01:18pm

re: #28 engineer cat

Tom Delay!

Yesterday, after years of court hearings, and 3 years after being found guilty, it looks like Tom Delay will actually be going to jail. Three years on the money movement count, but sadly, the 5 years for money laundering à la RICO, morphed into 10 years of community service. He'll be appealing again. [Link: www.democraticconventionwatch.com...]

31 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:01:49pm

re: #29 ProBosniaLiberal

Eisenhower was good.

that liberal??

///

32 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:03:02pm

re: #31 engineer cat

I really do think he was a good President. A bit too quick in pulling out of Korea, but he was under domestic pressure to do so.

I want him to replace Jackson on the $20.

33 Skip Intro  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:03:19pm

re: #29 ProBosniaLiberal

Eisenhower was good.

Top marginal tax rate was 91%. He built the interstate highway system. By teabagger standards, he was a damn socialist commie!

34 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:03:42pm

Dulles wasn't all that great- a precursor to Kissinger.

35 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:05:07pm
36 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:05:23pm

re: #34 dragonath

Dulles wasn't all that great- a precursor to Kissinger.

and he certainly wasn't mr. exciting

37 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:06:25pm

re: #36 engineer cat

and he certainly wasn't mr. exciting

Dull, duller, Dulles!

38 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:06:35pm

capitalist socialism!

Big Three pump millions into Motor City

Ford puts money into new food bank, community center; GM and Chrysler also ramp up involvement in city teetering on bankruptcy.

39 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:07:33pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

Image: A_z4HtiCQAIagYb.jpg

P.S.

Later, lizards.

40 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:07:45pm
41 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:07:57pm

re: #38 engineer cat

My next car will be a big three!

42 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:09:18pm

re: #41 ProBosniaLiberal

My next car will be a big three!

i want a new studebaker

43 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:10:57pm

Paul Ryan and Mitt in the White House?

shudder

44 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:11:48pm

Lost Coast to be done shortly.

Then to TF2 Beta.

45 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:12:33pm

re: #42 engineer cat

i want a new studebaker

I think what you really want is a American Bantam

46 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:12:56pm

re: #6 Jimmah

Suggested new hobby for the GOP:

Image: DSCF1948.jpg

Upding because my best friend auctions off stamps like that as part of his auction house.

47 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:13:32pm

re: #38 engineer cat

capitalist socialism!

Big Three pump millions into Motor City

Ford puts money into new food bank, community center; GM and Chrysler also ramp up involvement in city teetering on bankruptcy.

Link?

48 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:14:15pm

re: #45 dragonath

I think what you really want is a American Bantam

how'm i gonna go see the brooklyn dodgers in that??

49 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:14:44pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

Link?

[Link: www.nbcnews.com...]

50 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:15:24pm

re: #42 engineer cat

I want my next car to be kinda cute looking (like the Insight or Fit from Honda), and very fuel efficient. Also, cheap. Any recommendations?

51 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:16:11pm

re: #48 engineer cat

how'm i gonna go see the brooklyn dodgers in that??

All you need are a pair of glasses that can see 1957

52 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:16:26pm

re: #50 ProBosniaLiberal

I want my next car to be kinda cute looking (like the Insight or Fit from Honda), and very fuel efficient. Also, cheap. Any recommendations?

buy a bike

53 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:16:41pm

re: #50 ProBosniaLiberal

Check Consumer Reports for car ratings.

54 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:18:06pm

re: #50 ProBosniaLiberal

I want my next car to be kinda cute looking (like the Insight or Fit from Honda), and very fuel efficient. Also, cheap. Any recommendations?

Buy a green one.

Or maybe blue.

55 austin_blue  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:19:00pm

re: #50 ProBosniaLiberal

I want my next car to be kinda cute looking (like the Insight or Fit from Honda), and very fuel efficient. Also, cheap. Any recommendations?

How about a Honda Fit or an Insight?

56 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:19:09pm
57 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:19:45pm

re: #56 sattv4u2

Cute Matchbox.

58 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:20:03pm

re: #55 austin_blue

How about a Honda Fit or an Insight?

that was gonna be my suggestion!

this is what i would like

Image: STUDEBAKER_CHAMPION-3721.JPG

59 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:20:04pm

re: #24 ProBosniaLiberal

To be fair, considering what I have heard of Lubbock, could you tell the difference?

The wrecked downtown area never really recovered. Instead of re-building, the local developers used the insurance windfall to push the city to the south and west, a trend that continues to this day. Lubbock's east-west streets are numbered from north to south. Downtown was between 4th and 19th streets. In 1970, 66th street was pretty much the southern boundary. Today, development has reached 126th street, with similar growth on the west side, while the population has increased just 40%. This means that the huge southern sprawl (disgusting to the aesthetically sensitive) is mostly replacement construction. This has set in motion the kind of center-outward rot that characterizes failed cities all over the world. Btw, blacks and Hispanics are concentrated on the northeast side. Go figure.

60 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:20:18pm

re: #55 austin_blue

Because I feel I should support Ford, GM, or Fiat-Chrysler.

61 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:20:26pm

re: #57 PhillyPretzel

Cute Matchbox.

Damn.
I didn't know you were looking
I better put my pants back on
/

62 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:20:55pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

lol

63 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:21:08pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

Damn.
I didn't know you were looking
I better put my pants back on
/

SMACK!

64 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:21:21pm

Texas A&M/ Oklahoma

good game so far

65 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:21:41pm

re: #59 Shiplord Kirel

With higher gas prices, dwindling water, and geographic isolation from other large cities, they will be screwed.

66 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:22:32pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Thanks for the promotion. This whole issue has me thoroughly pissed off because it's absolutely inexcusable and it's all about politics, not anything else.

I added the Shutterstock photo, so people can see exactly what the GOP is screwing around with.

I actually grew up not far from where that photo was taken. It's my old stomping grounds in Sheepshead Bay Brooklyn. Emmons Ave is right on the water and home to several famous restaurants, including Randazzos and Joe's Clam Bar, and Pip's Comedy Club used to be there. The fishing fleet would do day trips out for deep sea fishing excursions, and it was a great place to visit. Lots of character and walk across the pedestrian bridge and you're in Manhattan Beach, which has lots of really elegant homes, and the beach is a few blocks further away.

As for the remainder of the 67 that I didn't touch on in my posting, I'm sure if I spent time, I would find similar issues with each and every one of them. I would expect that each has a page dealing with natural disasters, and how they tell their constituents to go seek out FEMA assistance and NFIP flood insurance.

What each and every one of these mental midgets ignore is that flooding can happen everywhere, not just on the coast. Kansas has been hit with devastating Mississippi River flooding in the past, and it will again at some point in the future (if they ever recover from the severe drought they're currently experiencing - and getting disaster aid from right now).

The NFIP aid passed today was meant to restore funding not only to deal with Sandy, but to maintain solvency going forward - to deal with the next flooding disaster. And that will happen.

It's particularly galling that they'd play games with the NFIP - especially the Gulf Coast states and Southeast representatives, particularly since they've needed disaster aid quite recently and flooding was a huge issue up and down the Gulf Coast from Texas to Florida.

As I find more of this hypocrisy from these reps, I'll tweet 'em as I see 'em.

67 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:23:23pm

Been recording the new episodes of American Horror Story: Asylum, watched the first two last night - great stuff. The EC Comics of cable TV.

68 Gus  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:23:57pm

re: #57 PhillyPretzel

Cute Matchbox.

Slot car. :D

69 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:24:02pm

re: #64 sattv4u2

Texas A&M/ Oklahoma

good game so far

damn

I'm going to miss most of the 2nd half driving home!!
{sigh}

70 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:24:26pm

re: #68 Gus

Slot car. :D

Who you callin' a slot!?!?!

71 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:26:44pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

And the thing is that the GOP thinks that all this is just peachy. They think that all these fiscal crises will force government to be smaller, that taxes will come down even further.

They ignore a simple indisputable fact. The government is needed to deal with issues of national import - natural disasters being chief among them. Gut that capability, and you'll turn parts of the country in to a wasteland and not capable of adding to the national economy.

Yes, that requires taxes - a necessary evil, but one that everyone should understand provides benefits to go along with the cost.

It's the same with the whole payroll tax nonsense - a tax dedicated to fund Social Security. Your paycheck might be lighter today than a comparable paycheck last week, but you're paying more because the higher rate was previously agreed to by Congress to keep Social Security solvent for a longer period of time - at the same rate of benefits. Maintaining the lower rates would eventually force a reduction in benefits or bring the program into insolvency sooner.

72 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:27:55pm

re: #65 ProBosniaLiberal

With higher gas prices, dwindling water, and geographic isolation from other large cities, they will be screwed.

Gas prices are partly mitigated by the lower taxes, and new railroads can be built (an offshoot from the Keystone XL pipeline might be possible as well), but water is the killer ap.

73 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:28:08pm

re: #50 ProBosniaLiberal

I want my next car to be kinda cute looking (like the Insight or Fit from Honda), and very fuel efficient. Also, cheap. Any recommendations?

akshually, the honda cr-z's are pretty kool

Image: 2011_Honda_CR-Z_EX_--_10-19-2010.jpg

74 austin_blue  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:29:39pm

re: #60 ProBosniaLiberal

Because I feel I should support Ford, GM, or Fiat-Chrysler.

Oh, then go here:

[Link: www.ford.com...]

It's even kind of bad-ass looking. You might want to wait a year and get a used one. I never buy new cars. That "new car smell" is actually toxic VOCs bleeding out of the interior plastics, rugs, and glues. Ick.

75 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:29:45pm

re: #73 engineer cat

akshually, the honda cr-z's are pretty kool

Image: 2011_Honda_CR-Z_EX_--_10-19-2010.jpg

This is a rockin' car.

76 allegro  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:30:25pm

re: #74 austin_blue

Oh, then go here:

[Link: www.ford.com...]

It's even kind of bad-ass looking. You might want to wait a year and get a used one. I never buy new cars. That "new car smell" is actually toxic VOCs bleeding out of the interior plastics, rugs, and glues. Ick.

That new car smell is actually fragrance spray.

77 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:32:54pm
78 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:32:56pm

re: #60 ProBosniaLiberal

Because I feel I should support Ford, GM, or Fiat-Chrysler.

Why not a Fiat 500?

79 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:34:15pm

re: #75 b_sharp

This is a rockin' car.

how about onna these

[Link: clunkbucket.com...]

80 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:34:39pm

re: #78 dragonath

Why not a Fiat 500?

I was going to get one of those and put it in the back of my SUV in place of the spare tire !!!
/

81 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:35:33pm

re: #79 engineer cat

how about onna these

[Link: clunkbucket.com...]

or
Image: trabant-601-s-02.jpg

82 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:36:30pm

re: #79 engineer cat

how about onna these

[Link: clunkbucket.com...]

The picture I posted was my first car. I used to pack people into it like sardines.

83 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:37:05pm

re: #60 ProBosniaLiberal

Because I feel I should support Ford, GM, or Fiat-Chrysler.

[Link: www.ford.com...]

84 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:37:42pm

re: #82 b_sharp

The picture I posted was my first car. I used to pack people into it like sardines.

Is that you, Jeffery Dahmer???
/

85 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:37:56pm

re: #82 b_sharp

The picture I posted was my first car. I used to pack people into it like sardines.

seriously!

86 Gus  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:40:18pm

Annnnnnd, Google changes back.

87 Gus  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:41:05pm

Whatever happened with Avanti? That is, the Lizard.

88 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:41:38pm

re: #85 engineer cat

seriously!

Not that very one. The one I owned was dead years ago, but yes the first car I ever owned was a Austin of England, pop up signal flags and all. More than once I had a car full of people and went around a corner on two wheels.

89 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:41:56pm

This is what I used to drive in high school in the 1970s.

1951 Hudson Hornet

90 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:42:12pm

You know what ticks me off?

Modern Architecture. All it is is glass boxes and McMansions. What we need here is another level to zoning, so we can build buildings with Character again.

No more glass boxes or mansion. Architecture needs to be taken out of the hands of Engineers and put into the hands of architects again.

Engineers aren't the most creative. Which, going back to an old question, why do so many engineers seem to be nutcases? Engineering seems to be a big thing among Middle Eastern Conservatives, and most of the engineers I know are conservative.

91 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:42:44pm

re: #87 Gus

Whatever happened with Avanti? That is, the Lizard.

He got involved with some other things and drifted away.

92 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:42:49pm

re: #87 Gus

Whatever happened with Avanti? That is, the Lizard.

drove himself away !?!?!

//

93 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:43:39pm

re: #89 wheat-dogghazi

This is what I used to drive in high school in the 1970s.

1951 Hudson Hornet

Doc Hudson!

94 austin_blue  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:43:48pm

re: #64 sattv4u2

Texas A&M/ Oklahoma

good game so far

And it just got better. 14-13 Twelfth Man.

Watching this Manzell kid is remarkably fun. he went SWMBO's high school.

That would be the Kerrville Fightin' Tivy Antlers.

Not the whole stag, mind you, just the disembodied Antlers. Scary.

But Texas has a history of curious high school mascots. You've got your Victoria Stingarees, your Hutto Hippos, and, most famously, the Itasca Wampus Cats.

95 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:43:55pm

re: #88 b_sharp

Not that very one. The one I owned was dead years ago, but yes the first car I ever owned was a Austin of England, pop up signal flags and all. More than once I had a car full of people and went around a corner on two wheels.

the most interesting car i ever owned was a 1958 buick v8

we drove it over miles of dirt road in wyoming and dubbed it 'the art deco tank'

96 austin_blue  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:45:00pm

re: #89 wheat-dogghazi

This is what I used to drive in high school in the 1970s.

1951 Hudson Hornet

Did Paul Newman come out of the radio?

97 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:45:16pm

re: #90 ProBosniaLiberal

Or, to put it in terms that most Americans understand, less of this, and more of this.

98 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:46:01pm

re: #90 ProBosniaLiberal

You know what ticks me off?

Modern Architecture. All it is is glass boxes and McMansions. What we need here is another level to zoning, so we can build buildings with Character again.

No more glass boxes or mansion. Architecture needs to be taken out of the hands of Engineers and put into the hands of architects again.

Engineers aren't the most creative. Which, going back to an old question, why do so many engineers seem to be nutcases? Engineering seems to be a big thing among Middle Eastern Conservatives, and most of the engineers I know are conservative.

It has to do with the mentality needed to be a good engineer. Engineers need to focus on the details and have a great ability to take pains to get the project to spec. That need often precludes flights of architectural fancy, since engineers tend to be focused on function.

99 Gus  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:46:14pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

He got involved with some other things and drifted away.

Mmm. Looks like his last comments was in 2011.

100 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:46:32pm

re: #93 William Barnett-Lewis

Yup.

re: #96 austin_blue

Nope. My dad put in a Blaupunkt AM-FM radio. Everything was in German, even John Gambling. Strangest thing ....

101 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:47:39pm

re: #95 engineer cat

the most interesting car i ever owned was a 1958 buick v8

we drove it over miles of dirt road in wyoming and dubbed it 'the art deco tank'

I owned a 57 Chevy but it wasn't the character car yours was. I did have a 66 Mercury Montcalm that was built like a tank.

102 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:48:20pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Well, they can figure out how to engineer the buildings the Architects want.

Engineers were a nickel a dozen at OU. Not impressed with most of them honestly. Unless you are doing something real cool.

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:48:38pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Gas prices are partly mitigated by the lower taxes, and new railroads can be built (an offshoot from the Keystone XL pipeline might be possible as well), but water is the killer ap.

Was in Lubbock about twenty years ago when my brother was going to Texas Tech. There was water from the aquifer there, but it was pretty ugly stuff (dissolved minerals and such.) My brother was buying water for cooking and drinking from dispensing machines, as were a lot of the locals.

104 austin_blue  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:48:55pm

re: #101 b_sharp

I owned a 57 Chevy but it wasn't the character car yours was. I did have a 66 Mercury Montcalm that was built like a tank.

Montclair?

105 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:49:06pm

re: #101 b_sharp

I owned a 57 Chevy but it wasn't the character car yours was. I did have a 66 Mercury Montcalm that was built like a tank.

I OWN a 57' Chevy,,, Bel Air

It's garaged in South Carolina. Never sees the outdoors from (about) the end of September till mid May at the earliest

106 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:50:13pm

re: #104 austin_blue

Montclair?

Nope, Montcalm.
Image: 1966mercurycanada.jpg

107 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:50:24pm

re: #97 ProBosniaLiberal

And as a colloary, I hope the Mega-church thing goes away.

108 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:50:49pm

re: #107 ProBosniaLiberal

why are you talking to yourself??!??!
/

109 austin_blue  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:51:51pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

why are you talking to yourself??!??!
/

Kinda spooky, innit?

110 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:54:32pm
111 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:55:28pm

And crap. TF2 beta is 12 f***ing Gigs.

This is gonna suck.

112 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:55:35pm

re: #110 jaunte

Image: whokilledthethread_.jpg

We're just sitting here watching Sybil ProBosnia talk to himself!!

113 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:55:53pm

see !?!?!?!

114 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:56:59pm

re: #101 b_sharp

I owned a 57 Chevy but it wasn't the character car yours was. I did have a 66 Mercury Montcalm that was built like a tank.

I had a 60s Plymouth, six cylinder engine. That thing had the worst running carburetor ever- but I was able to pull 25mpg out of it on long trips.

115 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:57:26pm

And on that note, the long quiet (hmmm,, maybe I should talk to MYself) drive home beckons!!!

116 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:59:24pm

I'm here, but working on something...

117 Kronocide  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:00:32pm

I'm enjoying a fat chardonnay and planning world domination.

118 Kaessa  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:03:23pm

I'm drinking an Alaskan Amber Ale and downloading the Game of the Year upgrade to Civilization V. Gogo Steam sales!

119 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:03:44pm

re: #97 ProBosniaLiberal

Or, to put it in terms that most Americans understand, less of this, and more of this.

I know how you feel, PLL, I really do.

120 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:06:50pm

More to the Hall of Shame (aka the GOPers who voted no):

It looks like the new members websites rely on the same template and wording, so all the new members will have their website refer to the NFIP, but it looks like even the other No voters will have NFIP references somewhere on their sites.

121 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:08:18pm

re: #120 lawhawk

Virginia Foxx has been there a while. She's the buffoon with the crazy eyes.

122 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:09:59pm

re: #90 ProBosniaLiberal

You know what ticks me off?

Modern Architecture. All it is is glass boxes and McMansions. What we need here is another level to zoning, so we can build buildings with Character again.

No more glass boxes or mansion. Architecture needs to be taken out of the hands of Engineers and put into the hands of architects again.

Engineers aren't the most creative. Which, going back to an old question, why do so many engineers seem to be nutcases? Engineering seems to be a big thing among Middle Eastern Conservatives, and most of the engineers I know are conservative.

I love architecture. I have my preferences - I'm a huge FLW fan, but also love Norman Foster and Gehry. Both do some really interesting things and produce something memorable.

Glass boxes aren't all that special, but you can take a glass box and turn it into something spectacular - the Gherkin in London or the Hearst tower in NYC for instance.

123 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:11:34pm

re: #122 lawhawk

Those are exceptions rather that the rule. I still prefer older forms. Like Gothic, Art Deco, Ottoman, and especially Indo-Saracenic.

124 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:12:44pm

re: #123 ProBosniaLiberal

Those are exceptions rather that the rule. I still prefer older forms. Like Gothic, Art Deco, Ottoman, and especially Indo-Saracenic.

That's, uh, quite a span.

125 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:14:39pm

re: #114 dragonath

I had a 60s Plymouth, six cylinder engine. That thing had the worst running carburetor ever- but I was able to pull 25mpg out of it on long trips.

Slant 6 engine, by chance? I had a 1970 Dodge Dart for a long time. My uncle gave it to me when I was a junior in college. It was 7 years old then, and I kept it for another 7 years. My mileage was about the same as yours. I did my first major engine repair on that car. Took off the head and sent it to a shop to get the valves replaced. I was so happy when everything worked fine after I put it back together.

126 freetoken  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:14:41pm

re: #90 ProBosniaLiberal

You know what ticks me off?

Modern Architecture. All it is is glass boxes and McMansions. ...

Well, at least that's not as bad as the previous generation - Brutalism.

127 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:15:37pm

re: #124 Obdicut

I like ornateness. And I had to take into account the fact that I have one foot in two closely connected cultural groups.

You don't see many Gothic Mosques, do ya?

128 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:16:06pm

re: #123 ProBosniaLiberal

Those are exceptions rather that the rule. I still prefer older forms. Like Gothic, Art Deco, Ottoman, and especially Indo-Saracenic.

Ottoman really runs the gamut, but Mughal also captures many unique forms - the symmetry and intricate mosaics to name but two.

For my home, I lean towards Prairie style/ arts and craft furniture as my wallet allows.

129 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:17:42pm

re: #126 freetoken

True.

Some of them are tough though. Those building hit by the blast in Oslo? All were repairable, with structural damage being limited.

Though, your point is correct.

And Norway has good Architecture from the past it could have used for those buildings, which is sad.

130 austin_blue  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:17:53pm

re: #123 ProBosniaLiberal

Those are exceptions rather that the rule. I still prefer older forms. Like Gothic, Art Deco, Ottoman, and especially Indo-Saracenic.

I agree, those are beautiful forms, but none of them are suitable in modern cities. The dirt is so expensive that it only makes economic sense to build *up*. And that means steel piers and concrete slabs. Stone cladding is ridiculously expensive.

131 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:19:14pm

Bah, just go to ikea and buy blond maple...

///
(Grinning, ducking & running)

132 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:19:34pm

re: #128 lawhawk

See, I wish Park51 would look like a taller version of this.

Instead, it is also a Glass Box.

133 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:20:16pm

Interestingly enough, I believe the Chrysler building qualifies as the tallest brick (facade) structure in the world.

134 Kronocide  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:20:20pm

re: #90 ProBosniaLiberal

You know what ticks me off?

Modern Architecture. All it is is glass boxes and McMansions. What we need here is another level to zoning, so we can build buildings with Character again.

No more glass boxes or mansion. Architecture needs to be taken out of the hands of Engineers and put into the hands of architects again.

I work in 'McMansions.' They get poo pood and p'shawed quite regularly by people who see a few pictures of them. For the most part they are quite impressive, if you spent some time in them.

135 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:20:45pm

re: #130 austin_blue

See I don't see that as an excuse.

Look at the Woolworth Building, the Chrysler Tower, or the Empire State Building.

136 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:23:25pm

re: #130 austin_blue

Art deco is actually well suited to skyscrapers - and cladding materials can be adapted - stainless steel can be worked into any art deco design quite easily. And prices for stone cladding aren't nearly as bad as you think - and could actually improve energy efficiency by improving insulation values.

137 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:24:31pm

re: #130 austin_blue

I have been wondering what the next material might be to take us past steel and concrete in high rise buildings. Those materials they talk about for a space elevator... Never mind that for a second what might advanced materials do for high rise buildings?

138 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:25:57pm

Indiana's two GOPers who voted no? Hypocrites!

139 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:26:01pm
140 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:28:04pm

I'm not surprised this happened. A decade ago aid to New York City for recovery from 9/11 was cut and delayed. Notice this article was six months after the event, and the administration at the time tried to do things like include cost of the National Guard as 'aid'.

I agree with what Paul Krugman said in a column at the time, "…terror or no terror, key Republican lawmakers retain an abiding dislike for the Big Apple -- and this administration never offends its supporters on the right." That dislike is showing this time as well.

141 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:28:14pm

re: #137 Political Atheist

Composites would probably begin showing up in some fashion, but would never fully replace concrete and steel.

They keep coming up with new types of concrete - lightweight and more flexible than older iterations, and the new types of steel are even more durable and less prone to rust and fatigue.

142 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:29:47pm

re: #140 Romantic Heretic

President Bush asked Sen Schumer what NY needed. Bush responded that he'd get it done.

The GOP had other ideas - and began chipping away at the requests and cutting back. Everything became a fight. It was ridiculous. Still is.

143 Gus  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:35:37pm

re: #141 lawhawk

Composites would probably begin showing up in some fashion, but would never fully replace concrete and steel.

They keep coming up with new types of concrete - lightweight and more flexible than older iterations, and the new types of steel are even more durable and less prone to rust and fatigue.

My problem with the romanticism in architecture is that it then doesn't become architecture but a form of conservatism in the conservatory sense. We build period buildings of our time. We design buildings around concepts from the current era.

The Empire State building was designed around 1929 or 84 years ago. It was designed according to the aesthetics of the time and not those from 84 years hence, or 1845. I'm sure there were people back then who thought the Empire State building was hideous and longed for the buildings from 1845.

144 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:43:16pm

PLL, check the new thread for a couple of photos for you.

145 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:49:17pm

re: #143 Gus

That's the tension going on in NYC with landmarking buildings - some that might be classic works of a particular form, but aren't exactly well liked or really ought to be landmarked for preservation down the road.

You don't want to let a region get stagnant with design because you've landmarked everything, but you do want to protect notable structures. It's about striking that balance.

It's nice to have form that harkens back to earlier styles or periods, but it's also important to develop a voice for the current modern sensibilities and needs.

146 Joanne  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 7:58:43pm

re: #73 engineer cat

Cute as hell. NO rear visibility with virtually none on the side. It's a rolling back end blind spot. I drove one when they first came out.

147 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:05:21pm

re: #128 lawhawk

Ottoman really runs the gamut, but Mughal also captures many unique forms - the symmetry and intricate mosaics to name but two.

For my home, I lean towards Prairie style/ arts and craft furniture as my wallet allows.

But, Oy! The bruises from a sharp cornered Stickley oak arm chair. We have a few pieces, but a little can go along way. I do adore my Mica lamp.

148 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:08:08pm

re: #137 Political Atheist

I have been wondering what the next material might be to take us past steel and concrete in high rise buildings. Those materials they talk about for a space elevator... Never mind that for a second what might advanced materials do for high rise buildings?

3D printing!

149 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:38:03am
Now, you’ll hear that some of these Republicans have no problem with disaster aid, but only when accompanied by offsetting cuts. None was requested or needed for prior disasters - and it sets bad precedent in any case. This is a fundamental job of governance and the federal government’s duty and responsibility to the public. This isn’t about finding ways to cut spending. It’s about getting affected areas back up and running and restore the economic viability of affected regions. The faster the aid comes in, the faster the economic vitality of the region is restored.

It really is that simple.

THIS.

I'm late, but I still want to say that this is a really excellent piece. Bravo! Lawhawk is extra good when he's furious--I can only imagine the sparks that must've been shooting from his eyes & fingertips as he gathered examples and typed this up.

The utter disregard for the suffering of innocent American families that the GOP has displayed with its hypocrisy and mean-spirited partisanship is appalling. Those who voted against the aid should be unceremoniously tossed out of office for dereliction of duty in the next congressional elections.

150 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:09:02pm

Add this one to the list. My tea partying congressperson, Steve Pearce.

New Mexico's Tea Party Congressman Steve Pearce (R) was one of 67 Republicans to vote against Hurricane Sandy relief earlier this week - two and a half-months after the superstorm killed more than 100 people and brought trillions of dollars of damage to Northeastern states.

Though Pearce was quick to say "NO" to his colleagues and fellow Americans in states from North Carolina to Maine suffering from Sandy, he has had no problem asking those same Americans to bail out New Mexicans from countless past natural disasters.

[...]

151 rwdflynavy  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:28:34am

This reminds me of the Katrina relief bill. A few folks voted against that one too. Like Senators Obama and Clinton.

Link

152 jaunte  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:34:59am

Bolling Falsely Accuses Obama Of Voting Against Katrina Relief Funds

Fox's Eric Bolling suggested that President Obama was hypocritical in his criticism of the government's response to Katrina by claiming Obama voted against waiving a bill that restricted emergency funding while accusing former President Bush of refusing to waive those same funds. But Obama, who strongly supported the measure, voted for a previous version of the bill which would have provided the same relief funds, but also included a timetable for withdrawal from the Iraq war.

153 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:40:31am

re: #152 jaunte

I was wondering why the Senate website linked to showed a vote date of May 24, 2007, almost two years after Katrina.

154 Gus  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 3:04:08pm

re: #151 rwdflynavy

This reminds me of the Katrina relief bill. A few folks voted against that one too. Like Senators Obama and Clinton.

Link

You do realize that that vote was in 2007 and Katrina was in 2005, correct? He voted no on that piece of legislation because it lacked any troop withdrawal timetables Iraq. He voted no on H.R. 2206 but had already voted yes on H.R. 1591 in March of 2007. Senate passed the 1st Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act on a voice vote and Obama voted yes on H.R. 3673 (Second Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act to Meet Immediate Needs). You mischaracterizing his voting record on Katrina given his yes vote of H.R. 1591 alone.

155 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 6:32:58pm

Actually I'm surprised that more Republicans didn't vote against this aid. Must be easy to vote against aiding a part of the country which never votes Republican (except a few local offices).

Hope they never have to vote for aid for my state (Maryland). Since I've lived here, we've never voted for a Republican Presidential candidate (but had one Republican Governor -- unfortunately).


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