Rachel Maddow vs Dick Morris!

You always knew these two would get together eventually, right?

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QUICK QUIZ:

Do you love Rachel Maddow (in spite of the assertion of our own “classical liberal” that she is no different than Glenn Beck)?

Do you love laughing at Dick Morris (and perhaps even revisiting his frankly stomach-turning history)?

Are you morbidly fascinated with the machinations of Super PACs and their dark finances?

If you answered “yes” to ANY of the above, you MUST spend this next 17 minutes watching this clip. Do it. Do it now.

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161 comments

Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:02:00pm

I was going to post this clip, but since you beat me to it you get the promo.

wrenchwench Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:02:03pm

Wait--where am I? On the front page? What the...

Oh, congrats on the promotion, Bratwurst!

lawhawk Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:08:07pm

Only in politics can someone be so wrong so often (Romney's going to win - and win in a landslide!) and still get billing, promotions, and spots as a pundit. /Dick Morris

America. What a country!

bratwurst Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:10:23pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I was going to post this clip, but since you beat me to it you get the promo.

Many thanks! I had never been moved to immediately page something I had seen on TV before last night. This is 17 minutes of greatness that leaves the viewer with rather unsettling questions about the big money wingnut "racket" that accomplished virtually nothing in November.

Dr Lizardo Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:11:11pm

re: #3 lawhawk

Only in politics can someone be so wrong so often (Romney's going to win - and win in a landslide!) and still get billing, promotions, and spots as a pundit. /Dick Morris

America. What a country!

Only in America can a person have a consistent track record of being spectacularly wrong on virtually everything and still have anyone take him seriously.

Who listens to this guy? I mean, even a lot of Freepers dismiss him as a hack. And when you've the lost the Freepers, well, what more needs to be said?

CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:12:52pm

re: #4 bratwurst

This is 17 minutes of greatness that leaves the viewer with rather unsettling questions about the big money wingnut "racket" that accomplished virtually nothing in November.

Seconded. I watched it last night and felt the same way.

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:13:33pm

re: #4 bratwurst

Congrats on making it to the front page. :)

Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:14:19pm

I'm pretty sure, by the way, that you'll never see anything so well-reasoned and researched on Fox News. One of these things is not like the other.

The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:20:17pm

re: #4 bratwurst

Many thanks! I had never been moved to immediately page something I had seen on TV before last night. This is 17 minutes of greatness that leaves the viewer with rather unsettling questions about the big money wingnut "racket" that accomplished virtually nothing in November.

At some point, someone might want to ask if maybe a bunch of these pundits/kingmakers are actually just grifters with minimal ideological commitment. That would explain some things.

wrenchwench Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:20:44pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I'm pretty sure, by the way, that you'll never see anything so well-reasoned and researched on Fox News. One of these things is not like the other.

Well, you're preaching to the choir there....oh, wait.

Iwouldprefernotto Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:21:59pm

re: #3 lawhawk

Only in politics can someone be so wrong so often (Romney's going to win - and win in a landslide!) and still get billing, promotions, and spots as a pundit. /Dick Morris

America. What a country!

You mean Dewey didn't beat Truman?

Kronocide Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:22:32pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I'm pretty sure, by the way, that you'll never see anything so well-reasoned and researched on Fox News. One of these things is not like the other.

LGF's token Classic Liberal will frown upon thine blasphemy.

Kragar Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:24:18pm

Once Romney gains a lead from the convention, I don't think he's going to relinquish it. #RomneyRyan2012
— Dick Morris (@DickMorrisTweet) August 27, 2012

The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:26:04pm

I'm not saying that had Dick Morris been born a century ago he would have been selling patent medicine out the back of a red-and-white striped caravan decked out in big yellow letters reading "Dr Morris's Miracle Elixir*," but I am using it as an extended metaphor for how shady the dude is.

_{*Contains: booze, opium, booze-like substances, caramel coloring}

Kronocide Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:26:13pm

When we get stuff wrong I'm happy to make a correction.

The mark of a real journalist.

Kragar Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:26:37pm

Dick Morris, Con Artist

According to FEC data released December 6, Morris' Super PAC for America paid conservative news outlet Newsmax Media roughly $1.7 million for "fundraising" in October and November. A significant portion of the super PAC's money likely went to renting Morris' own email list, which is operated by Newsmax Media.

A Media Matters review found that in the month before the election, Morris sent at least 21 emails to his mailing list featuring fundraising pitches that were "paid for by Super PAC for America." Super PAC also "paid for" at least 25 emails to Newsmax.com's main email list during the same period.

Perhaps there's a more innocent explanation for all this, but the way it looks is that 1) People (should we call them "marks"?) donate money to Morris' super PAC; 2) he pays that money to Newsmax for "fundraising"; then 3) Newsmax turns around and pays the money back to Morris, for access to his list of donors. Perhaps Newsmax takes a cut, or perhaps the list is their cut, because these people can then become marks for all kinds of future scams.

Mattand Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:27:15pm

Do you love Rachel Maddow (in spite of the assertion of our own “classical liberal” that she is no different than Glenn Beck)?

I'm really beginning to think that there's something else going here other than the whole "I'm Libertarian, therefore they're all the same to me" delusion. Said Libertarian* made a really nasty and misogynistic and, in my mind, out-of-character, comment about Maddow within the last year.

It sticks in my mind because it was along the lines of Richard Grennell's "You look like a dude" insult. It's also one of maybe 4 comments I've ever downdinged since I started bloviating here.

Again, if you don't like Maddow or her views, that's your prerogative. But to insist that she's no different than Beck is just delusional.

*IMO, "classic liberal" is a fancy way to admit to being Libertarian without actually saying it. From what I've read (thanks, Obdicut), there's very little daylight between the two.

The Mountain That Blogs Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:28:38pm

re: #14 The Ghost of a Flea

I'm not saying that had Dick Morris been born a century ago he would have been selling patent medicine out the back of a red-and-white striped caravan decked out in big yellow letters reading "Dr Morris's Miracle Elixir*," but I am using it as an extended metaphor for how shady the dude is.

Cures what ails ya; one for a man, two for a horse.

Dr Lizardo Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:29:06pm

re: #6 CuriousLurker

Seconded. I watched it last night and felt the same way.

An interesting clip, and well-researched to boot.

Maybe if the GOP loses in 2014, after spending oodles of money, the "base" will finally start to get it. I can just imagine the brain of the average "base" GOP voter starting to wind up, much like an arthritic hamster in a wheel, and coming, slowly, oh so slowly, to the conclusion that they've been swindled.

Yeah, I know........wishful thinking on my part.

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:31:39pm

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

An interesting clip, and well-researched to boot.

Maybe if the GOP loses in 2014, after spending oodles of money, the "base" will finally start to get it. I can just imagine the brain of the average "base" GOP voter starting to wind up, much like an arthritic hamster in a wheel, and coming, slowly, oh so slowly, to the conclusion that they've been swindled.

Yeah, I know........wishful thinking on my part.

No, 2012 convinced them that America had been "swindled" by a President who used his political power to buy votes from parasites, welfare bums and ohter undesirables.

lawhawk Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:32:11pm

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

Going into the 2014 midterms, the TP will be convinced that the only thing standing between them and a GOP win is that they have to primary out anyone willing to cut deals to actually govern, pass budgets, etc., and that they have to be even more extreme in their cause.

They will ignore the fact that Americans aren't that extreme, they rejected the extremist agenda, and that their gridlock is doing more harm than good to the US economy. But even then, they see the gridlock as blocking Obama's agenda, which makes it a good thing.

In other words, no matter what the outcome in 2014, the extremists in the GOP are going to ignore common sense, conventional wisdom, and logic, and pursue an extremist agenda because the numbers don't add up any other way to them.

Kragar Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:33:11pm

Super PACs Are Cushy Jobs

Under FEC rules, it’s legal for super PAC founders to approve payments to themselves. In Illinois, social media entrepreneur Gary Franchi formed Revolution PAC to support Ron Paul and tapped into the fervent crowd of Paul supporters to back the Texas representative’s presidential bid. Franchi, who’d never been a political fundraiser, raised more than $1.2 million, including $85,000 from PayPal (EBAY) co-founder Peter Thiel. The super PAC spent 83 percent of its cash on overhead, FEC data show. Franchi and two social media companies he owns charged the super PAC $153,000 for media consulting, rent for office space, and other expenses from August 2011 to June 2012.

Franchi says he was “actually impressed” with what his super PAC accomplished, though he’s no longer involved. Revolution PAC was $63,374 in debt as of late November, and Washington-based campaign finance attorney Dan Backer has taken over the group. The loose ends he’s sorting through include distributing $25,000 worth of Ron Paul action figures—their delivery delayed by a production problem in China—to supporters. “Like many grassroots people, Gary was very enthusiastic about the cause but didn’t have the background to run a business or large organization,” Backer says. “With super PACs, a lot of people were getting paid what is probably not the optimal rate.”

The bottom line: Of the 420 super PACs active in the 2012 election, 151 spent no money to support candidates, instead using it on overhead.

Kragar Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:33:57pm

re: #21 lawhawk

All they need to win the election is a real conservative candidate.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:35:09pm

Brazilian prisoners enlist trained cat in jailbreak attempt

“An agent saw the cat and went to look at it closely because something about it seemed wrong,” Marcelo Avelino, the head of the prison guards’ union, told the O Globo newspaper.

The agent found a bag tied to the animal’s body filled with saw blades and drill parts for concrete drilling and digging tunnels, along with a cell phone complete with battery and charger, Avelino added.

The cat had often been seen coming in and out of the Alagoas jail.

Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:35:23pm

re: #22 Kragar

Job creators!
//

erik_t Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:35:59pm

re: #25 Feline Fearless Leader

Job creators!
//

The cat doesn't count as a job.

Skip Intro Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:37:21pm

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

Maybe if the GOP loses in 2014, after spending oodles of money, the "base" will finally start to get it. I can just imagine the brain of the average "base" GOP voter starting to wind up, much like an arthritic hamster in a wheel, and coming, slowly, oh so slowly, to the conclusion that they've been swindled.

They've been getting swindled for over a decade at FR where they really believe it takes $350,000+ a year to run a 1990s style text chat site. I don't seem them wising up anytime soon. That's one reason talk radio is so popular with advertisers; you've got a guaranteed audience of fools to sell to.

bratwurst Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:37:54pm

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

An interesting clip, and well-researched to boot.

Maybe if the GOP loses in 2014, after spending oodles of money, the "base" will finally start to get it. I can just imagine the brain of the average "base" GOP voter starting to wind up, much like an arthritic hamster in a wheel, and coming, slowly, oh so slowly, to the conclusion that they've been swindled.

Yeah, I know........wishful thinking on my part.

The fact that a Republican presidential candidate has won the popular vote only once in the last 24 years (and it has been 3 out of 4 losing election cycles over all for the GOP) would tend to indicate that you are being overly optimistic.

Dr Lizardo Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:40:30pm

re: #20 Sol Berdinowitz

No, 2012 convinced them that America had been "swindled" by a President who used his political power to buy votes from parasites, welfare bums and ohter undesirables.

That's all too true. But I just wonder what their excuse will be if they fail to take the Senate and (though it would be almost a miracle owing to gerrymandering) take back the House of Representatives?

Yeah, they'll probably blame the President. Secret Muslim powers and all that. //

Dr Lizardo Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:41:04pm

re: #28 bratwurst

The fact that a Republican presidential candidate has won the popular vote only once in the last 24 years (and it has been 3 out of 4 losing election cycles over all for the GOP) would tend to indicate that you are being overly optimistic.

I guess I'm just an optimist by nature.

Iwouldprefernotto Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:43:32pm

re: #28 bratwurst

The fact that a Republican presidential candidate has won the popular vote only once in the last 24 years (and it has been 3 out of 4 losing election cycles over all for the GOP) would tend to indicate that you are being overly optimistic.

but Reagan.

bratwurst Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:44:39pm

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

I guess I'm just an optimist by nature.

What part of the CR are you in? Spent a big chunk of the 90s in Praha myself.

Dr Lizardo Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:44:59pm

re: #27 Skip Intro

They've been getting swindled for over a decade at FR where they really believe it takes $350,000+ a year to run a 1990s style text chat site. I don't seem them wising up anytime soon. That's one reason talk radio is so popular with advertisers; you've got a guaranteed audience of fools to sell to.

FR is a scam, and a blatant scam at that. There's no way in heaven or Earth that it can cost 350K a year to run FR. If that's the case, their overhead is ridiculous. And when I popped over there after you mentioned it, well, surprise surprise! They're on a fundraiser yet again. Looks like they're aiming for $85,000.

And the Freepers will donate. I should start a batshit insane RWNJ website. I'd make a bundle!

Dr Lizardo Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:46:45pm

re: #32 bratwurst

What part of the CR are you in? Spent a big chunk of the 90s in Praha myself.

I'm in Ostrava. A former steel town, and it's now trying to transform itself, with some success. Vitkovice is still around, but now they're focusing more on heavy equipment manufacturing then steel production.

It's not a bad town. Less expensive, and far less touristy than Praha.

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:47:34pm

re: #33 Dr Lizardo

You probably could make quite a few dollars.

darthstar Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:51:12pm

re: #33 Dr Lizardo

And the Freepers will donate. I should start a batshit insane RWNJ website. I'd make a bundle!

I'm starting my own super PAC for Republican candidates in 2014. I foresee some serious administrative costs. Wait...I can't do that. Fuckin' conscience.

When the numbers were starting to roll in early in the 2012 election cycle, I thought, how many people out there are just scamming these Republicans (Karl Rove included)...So much money, and so little room for more advertising - hell, the Romney campaign bought ads in PA because they'd run out of available ad space in Ohio. And consultants get paid for placing those ads.

Varek Raith Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:53:30pm

Wingnuts wanting to defeat Obama;

Youtube Video

bratwurst Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:54:03pm

re: #34 Dr Lizardo

I'm in Ostrava. A former steel town, and it's now trying to transform itself, with some success. Vitkovice is still around, but now they're focusing more on heavy equipment manufacturing then steel production.

It's not a bad town. Less expensive, and far less touristy than Praha.

I passed through there on my way to Poland in days of yore. On the rare occasions I am back in Prague, I hardly recognize the place I used to call home. While it is absolutely a MUCH better place to visit than in the past (there are more than 4 good restaurants in the whole city now, as only one example), the proliferation of budget flights from other parts of Europe has rendered the old town unpleasantly crowded all year round, and every pub filled with "lager louts". In the unlikely event I find myself moving back to that part of the world, I would absolutely be to a place like Ostrava.

Dr Lizardo Sat, Jan 5, 2013 12:59:29pm

re: #38 bratwurst

I passed through there on my way to Poland in days of yore. On the rare occasions I am back in Prague, I hardly recognize the place I used to call home. While it is absolutely a MUCH better place to visit than in the past (there are more than 4 good restaurants in the whole city now, as only one example), the proliferation of budget flights from other parts of Europe has rendered the old town unpleasantly crowded all year round, and every pub filled with "lager louts". In the unlikely event I find myself moving back to that part of the world, I would absolutely be to a place like Ostrava.

Ostrava isn't too bad at all, and the downtown core around Masarykovo Naměstí is still nice. In Prague, the last time I was there in the summer of 2011, some of the pubs had signs that said, "No English". And they didn't mean the language....they meant that if you were from the UK, GTFO.

Randall Gross Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:01:09pm

For some, like Dick Morris and Dick Armey, the Republicans are a pack of rubes ripe for bilking.

Dr Lizardo Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:01:42pm

re: #35 PhillyPretzel

You probably could make quite a few dollars.

Oh, I'm sure I could.

I'd want to position it to the right of FR, but not as far-right as Stormfront.

It's tempting. But then again, I don't know if I could be the admin, because reading all that sickening drivel day-in, day-out would be absolutely soul-crushing.

researchok Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:03:31pm

re: #40 Randall Gross

Look at Randall Terry- he's been doing that for years- abortion, gay rights, whatever brings in the most money.

Hell, he's just one of many.

Dr Lizardo Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:04:05pm

re: #36 darthstar

Politics.....it's a sick business.

Skip Intro Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:11:50pm

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

Oh, I'm sure I could.

I'd want to position it to the right of FR, but not as far-right as Stormfront.

It's not quite as easy as it looks. First you need drama. Zotting works, as long as you can get the mob excited about it. System crashes help too, since they show the Obama regime considers you a big enough threat to periodically take you down. As a bonus, it also helps to raise more money for "equipment" you'll never buy to keep the site up.

Then you need graphics; viking kitties works well, but it's already taken. Finally you'll have to be willing to post a semi-literate crazed rant every three months to get the juices flowing and the wallets open.

Do all that, and you just might have a shot.

The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:14:19pm

re: #43 Dr Lizardo

Politics.....it's a sick business.

Hey now.

It's not like cocaine can snort itself off of a rentboy's taught buttocks.

Somebody's got to put in the time and effort to make it happen.

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:17:24pm

There is a mouse over the block that has my screen name. Is this a new service?

AntonSirius Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:18:20pm

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

Maybe if the GOP loses in 2014, after spending oodles of money, the "base" will finally start to get it. I can just imagine the brain of the average "base" GOP voter starting to wind up, much like an arthritic hamster in a wheel, and coming, slowly, oh so slowly, to the conclusion that they've been swindled.

Well... what percentage of them have figured out the televangelist grift, and how long did it take them to figure that one out?

researchok Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:18:44pm

re: #46 PhillyPretzel

Bagel guy

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:19:41pm

re: #48 researchok

Oh? I do not want any bagels from his place.

Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:20:23pm

Do super PACS have a right to lie?

The “Truth in Politics” bill would extend an existing Florida prohibition on malicious falsehoods by candidates to the new players unleashed by recent court decisions, as well as traditional party groups like the one that sponsored the limo attacks. Groups found guilty of smears by a nonpartisan state commission could be fined up to $5,000.

....Sachs’s proposal enters a volatile constitutional battleground. The deceptive ads that reformers have urged broadcasters not to air are protected by many of the same principles that safeguard the freedom of the press. And recent Supreme Court jurisprudence may place even the existing state laws in jeopardy. Both the court’s recent campaign-finance decisions and a 2012 ruling that extended free-speech protection to lies about military honors set precedents that could prove fatal even to “actual malice” prohibitions like Florida’s.
....
The broader legal questions, though, remain unsettled. “Courts have split on the constitutionality of some aspects of these false campaign ad laws,” said Richard Hasen, a law professor at University of California, Irvine who specializes in campaigns and elections. “I think eventually the issue will get to the Supreme Court.”

Dr Lizardo Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:21:33pm

re: #47 AntonSirius

Well... what percentage of them have figured out the televangelist grift, and how long did it take them to figure that one out?

And of course, the target audience for both televangelists and the GOP is pretty much the same. So that helps too.

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:22:32pm

re: #17 Mattand

I'm really beginning to think that there's something else going here other than the whole "I'm Libertarian, therefore they're all the same to me" delusion. Said Libertarian* made a really nasty and misogynistic and, in my mind, out-of-character, comment about Maddow within the last year.

It sticks in my mind because it was along the lines of Richard Grennell's "You look like a dude" insult. It's also one of maybe 4 comments I've ever downdinged since I started bloviating here.

Again, if you don't like Maddow or her views, that's your prerogative. But to insist that she's no different than Beck is just delusional.

*IMO, "classic liberal" is a fancy way to admit to being Libertarian without actually saying it. From what I've read (thanks, Obdicut), there's very little daylight between the two.

Gentle reminder, there are many flavors of libertarian. Just because conservatives (who claim to be right leaning libertarians) use the term 'classical liberal is libertarian' doesn't mean it describes libertarianism as a whole.

I don't think it's a MBF or delusion to say that neither Democrats or Republicans have any interest in reducing the role of Government. It just so happens their focus on which parts of government they like to grow differs. Now that's not to say that Democrats and Republicans are exactly alike. That's absolutely the furthest from the truth. I personally would prefer the world the Democrats would create over the nightmare that Republicans would build... But I still personally feel the role of government should be a small as reasonably possible. the concept of hate crimes creeps a little close to thought crimes. personal use of drugs in your own home, prostitution. There are a slew of other things that the government has a role in that I find questionable.

But you know what? I realize that a 'perfect' libertarian world wouldn't be a very good one. Neither would a 'pure' republican vision, or a democrat, or socialist. Maybe the term for me is 'realistic' Libertarian. Because I would rather accept a little more government for the betterment of all of us. But to keep that as limited as possible. ;)

Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:24:45pm

Speaking of Classical Liberalism and America's founding principles of freedom...
Amid Instability In Egypt, Coptic Christians Flee To U.S.

Coptic Christians will celebrate Christmas on Monday, and many will do so outside their native Egypt. Since the revolution there, their future in the country has looked uncertain, and many are resettling in the United States.

Their population in the U.S. may have grown by nearly 30 percent, according to rough estimates. One church that has felt its membership swell with new arrivals from Egypt is in the Queens borough of New York. St. Mary and St. Antonios Coptic Orthodox Church boasts more than 1,000 members, according to Father Michael Sorial.
....
The story is the same at churches around New York, New Jersey and Southern California, the centers of Coptic life in the U.S. since the early 1970s. Nationwide, researchers estimate that as many as 100,000 Copts have joined a pre-revolution population of around 350,000.

They're leaving continued instability in Egypt — uncertain economic prospects combined with ongoing violence.

efuseakay Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:25:23pm

$200 an hour... what a cheap bastard, even for the 90s!

HoosierHoops Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:25:28pm

Hey Lizards! I was an ugly night. I went to the Cotton Bowl party. Tons of food, open bar and lots of people. Johnny Football kicked OU's ass all night.
By the 4th quarter we were talking about everything but the game. I brought Winston a bunch of Deer meat so he was in heaven. I also brought home every kind of salad known to mankind. Time for NFL playoffs to begin today.

wrenchwench Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:25:56pm

re: #52 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Maybe you're a small-government liberal.

Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:27:29pm

re: #52 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Gentle reminder, there are many flavors of libertarian. Just because conservatives (who claim to be right leaning libertarians) use the term 'classical liberal is libertarian' doesn't mean it describes libertarianism as a whole.

I don't think it's a MBF or delusion to say that neither Democrats or Republicans have any interest in reducing the role of Government. It just so happens their focus on which parts of government they like to grow differs. Now that's not to say that Democrats and Republicans are exactly alike. That's absolutely the furthest from the truth. I personally would prefer the world the Democrats would create over the nightmare that Republicans would build... But I still personally feel the role of government should be a small as reasonably possible. the concept of hate crimes creeps a little close to thought crimes. personal use of drugs in your own home, prostitution. There are a slew of other things that the government has a role in that I find questionable.

But you know what? I realize that a 'perfect' libertarian world wouldn't be a very good one. Neither would a 'pure' republican vision, or a democrat, or socialist. Maybe the term for me is 'realistic' Libertarian. Because I would rather accept a little more government for the betterment of all of us. But to keep that as limited as possible. ;)

Also the application of the Libertarian label to me is false and completely made up. I'm not a libertarian and never claimed to be one.

Dr Lizardo Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:28:02pm

re: #44 Skip Intro

It's not quite as easy as it looks. First you need drama. Zotting works, as long as you can get the mob excited about it. System crashes help too, since they show the Obama regime considers you a big enough threat to periodically take you down. As a bonus, it also helps to raise more money for "equipment" you'll never buy to keep the site up.

Then you need graphics; viking kitties works well, but it's already taken. Finally you'll have to be willing to post a semi-literate crazed rant every three months to get the juices flowing and the wallets open.

Do all that, and you just might have a shot.

I can do the "semi-literate crazed rant" easy enough. Of course, there'll also have to be worship of Ronald Reagan and Sarah Palin, and absolute ideological conformity.

The occasional system crash, on the grounds of persecution....an excellent idea. And especially during fundraisers, so I can claim the "evil Muslim Kenyan Marxist" President is "trying to keep us down".

Varek Raith Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:28:07pm

Don't see Beck doing research like this, eh KT?

efuseakay Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:31:34pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

Don't see Beck doing research like this, eh KT?

But he's got a chalkboard. And tears.

Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:37:52pm

re: #46 PhillyPretzel

There is a mouse over the block that has my screen name. Is this a new service?

That's the Rebelmouse!

It's a new service that lets you collect all your posts and tweets and Facebook stuff on one page. The Rebelmouse links to my page there.

jaunte Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:41:43pm

Via wrenchwench:

Hmm... California w/ 8.84% corp tax, combined reporting & mandatory single sales leads nation in job creation.#nmleg cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162…

— Peter Wirth (@senatorwirth) January 5, 2013

Obdicut Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:42:41pm

re: #52 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Gentle reminder, there are many flavors of libertarian. Just because conservatives (who claim to be right leaning libertarians) use the term 'classical liberal is libertarian' doesn't mean it describes libertarianism as a whole.

Unfortunately, sane libertarians like you are the vast minority.

I don't think it's a MBF or delusion to say that neither Democrats or Republicans have any interest in reducing the role of Government.

The role of government should be whatever is appropriate for the situation we face. When we face great peril that needs great collective action, it should be higher. When things are best served by innovative individual action, it should recede. That's one of my main problems with ideologies of any sort; the world doesn't remain static.

Targetpractice Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:44:01pm

re: #62 jaunte

Via wrenchwench:

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That's impossible, we all know that Texas is the state to look to for how to spur job growth!!

Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:46:55pm

I keep wondering, though - what is @rebelmouse rebelling against?
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 5, 2013

researchok Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:49:27pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

I'll bet there are a whole lot of Egyptians who want out out, not just Copts.

The average Egyptian is under a whole lot of pressure.

Targetpractice Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:49:37pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

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"What do ya got?"

efuseakay Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:49:51pm

Here we go again... except this time it was a hostage situation in a home... in Aurora, CO...

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

wrenchwench Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:49:52pm

re: #63 Obdicut

the vast minority

Is that like jumbo shrimp?

Political Atheist Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:50:29pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

If I understand this right- Rebelmouse is a way to have a page that consolidates all your posts say from here, Twitter etc? Makes a one stop destination to see my blogging/Pages etc?

Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:51:24pm

Have I gone on a rant about Facebook's incredibly horrible, insanely complex, user-hostile interface lately?

In addition to being butt ugly, there are key pieces of functionality that are hopelessly confused, redundant, and weirdly implemented. The preferences pages are utterly ridiculous.

And their developer docs are equally horrible. I just wasted another hour or so trying to figure something out there. This is why I don't work much at promoting LGF on Facebook - I just don't like using it.

Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:52:27pm

re: #70 Political Atheist

If I understand this right- Rebelmouse is a way to have a page that consolidates all your posts say from here, Twitter etc? Makes a one stop destination to see my blogging/Pages etc?

You understand it right.

engineer cat Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:53:09pm

wingnut blog

Rather clever of Al Gore to gain $100 million for himself while he sells out his loser TV network to Al Jazeera

what is it about 'somebody thought it was worth 100 mil' that you don't understand?

wingnuts being experts in capitalism fail

Obdicut Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:53:45pm

re: #69 wrenchwench

Is that like jumbo shrimp?

It's like the infinity between 0 and 0.1

The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:54:07pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

I keep wondering, though - what is @RebelMouse rebelling against?

He has serious doubts about Cheesus.

Also, he's under a lot of pressure what with being the younger brother of Mighty Mouse and Dangermouse.

Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:54:16pm

re: #66 researchok

I'll bet there are a whole lot of Egyptians who want out out, not just Copts.

The average Egyptian is under a whole lot of pressure.

I think a lot of people are going to be fleeing Egypt over the coming years. Even after things settle down, secularists and religious minorities are going to be looking for the exit.

Romantic Heretic Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:56:50pm

re: #52 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Gentle reminder, there are many flavors of libertarian. Just because conservatives (who claim to be right leaning libertarians) use the term 'classical liberal is libertarian' doesn't mean it describes libertarianism as a whole.

I'm afraid I regard 'libertarianism' as a marketing ploy. Most of the libertarians I know seem, to me, to simply be anarchists. So why the rebranding?

First, anarchy and anarchists have a lot of bad history. By renaming themselves as 'libertarians' the anarchists no longer carry that historical baggage.

Secondly, it sets the argument before it even gets started. By adopting the name 'libertarian' it appears that to argue against 'libertarianism' is to argue against liberty itself. Anyone who opposes them is now evil because only evil people can be against liberty. Or so it appears.

My view on government is similar to yours, but I prefer to call myself a humanist, using the definition of humanism that my favourite author wrote: An exaltation of freedom but one limited by our need to integrate ourselves into society and nature.

My $0.02.

Political Atheist Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:57:19pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

New to me, I'm giving it a try. Thanks much.

engineer cat Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:57:31pm

Hmm... California w/ 8.84% corp tax, combined reporting & mandatory single sales leads nation in job creation

i hear the mild california weather and beautiful coastline are thinking of moving to colorado because of tax rates

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:57:36pm

re: #75 The Ghost of a Flea

Don't forget Speedy Gonzales.

Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:58:22pm

A really stupid thing somebody sent me today.

engineer cat Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:59:11pm

re: #52 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

i thought all libertarians were required to disagree with all other libertarians

researchok Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:01:47pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

They already are.

See this on currency exports.

Worried Egypt slaps new controls on travelling with cash

The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:01:48pm

re: #80 PhillyPretzel

Don't forget Speedy Gonzales.

There's an ancient Mayan saying about trying to fit too many anthropomorphic mice into one comic aside.

Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:02:08pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel

A really stupid thing somebody sent me today.

If that were true, prisons should be the most godly places on earth.

Political Atheist Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:02:16pm

re: #79 engineer cat

I'm thrilled to see California finally growing in the last year. But our new higher taxes hit this year. Heck at my job we had a great December. Hopefully the higher rates won't have a big negative impact. The legislature is talking about a change to Prop 13, removing it from commercial property. I like that idea. I always thought of that law (controversial as it is) as a way to help families keep family homes.

blueraven Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:05:00pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel

A really stupid thing somebody sent me today.

Furrowed brow and finger wagging...nice touch.
/

Stanghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:05:57pm

I am sick to my stomach reading about the rapes today.

Glad they are in the news, but so fucking sad for humankind.

Political Atheist Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:06:02pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

You understand it right.

Wow. That looks great and I have not even started to tweak any settings.

[Link: www.rebelmouse.com...]

The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:06:45pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

If that were true, prisons should be the most godly places on earth.

Also, no correlation between piety and morality....

Kragar Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:07:49pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

If that were true, prisons should be the most godly places on earth.

But I thought prisons were being overrun by the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:08:37pm

re: #88 Stanghazi

I am sick to my stomach reading about the rapes today.

Glad they are in the news, but so fucking sad for humankind.

Here, this won't cheer you up:

Philandering Pastor Fathered Her 'Devil Child,' Parishioner Claims

Saying "God would protect her" during unprotected sex, a Pentecostal pastor impregnated a parishioner, called their son a "devil child" after she refused to have an abortion, and blew off court-ordered child support, the woman claims in court.

engineer cat Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:10:26pm

re: #70 Political Atheist

btw - if i make a tweet, how can i put it into a lgf comment like gus does?

stabby Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:10:42pm

American Conservative = snake oil

They're selling greed, and they're paranoid excuses for greed, racism and bigotry.

If you go over to PJMedia this week you can watch the "conservatives" in the comment section complaining that the Republican party didn't crash the country hard enough on the fiscal cliff and may not do so on the debt limit and that therefor they should abandon the Republican party...

NOW the Republican party isn't greedy enough for them and being called "communist".

I was amused to read someone write "Republicans don't like conservatives"...

stabby Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:12:09pm

Anyway i was trying to get at the fact that Rachel Maddow's bit is about conservatism being a money making racket. Dick Morris is a con man. A snake oil salesman.

Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:13:25pm

Do you love Rachel Maddow (in spite of the assertion of our own “classical liberal” that she is no different than Glenn Beck)?

Maddow is "no different than Glenn Beck" in the same way that James T. Kirk was no different from the Kirk in the mirror universe.

[/geek]

Kragar Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:13:51pm

Conservatives Open New Congress With Unconstitutional Bill To End Birthright Citizenship

It’s the first week of the 113th Congress, and one House member is already trying to stop children born in the United States to undocumented parents — whom he calls “anchor babies” — from gaining citizenship.

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), an outspoken hardliner on immigration, introduced a bill on Thursday that would “clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.” The Supreme Court has consistently held that anyone born in the United States, regardless of their parents’ immigration status, should receive citizenship under the 14th Amendment.

King disagrees, as do 13 co-sponsors on the bill, including Reps. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) and Mo Brooks (R-Ala.).

Laser like focus on the economy.

Kragar Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:16:09pm

A little more about prisons...

Almost Half Of Federal Prisoners Held For Drug Crimes

Although the overall U.S. prison population declined slightly in 2011, the federal prison population continued to rise, with rates of drug and immigration offenders that eclipse those held for violent crimes. While only 8 percent of federal prisoners were sentenced for violent crimes in 2011, almost half of federal inmates – 48 percent – were in prison for drug crimes, according to Department of Justice statistics. Another 11 percent were held for immigration offenses – one of the largest-growing segments of the prison population.

These numbers reflect the impact of the aggressive U.S. “War on Drugs,” a major contributor to the United States’ standing as the number one jailer in the world. Overall declines in U.S. prisons of 0.9 percent are attributable to state prisons, as some states have been moved by budget crises to adopt innovative reforms, and some jurisdictions have moved toward decriminalizing minor drug offenses.

engineer cat Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:16:31pm

re: #86 Political Atheist

I'm thrilled to see California finally growing in the last year. But our new higher taxes hit this year. Heck at my job we had a great December. Hopefully the higher rates won't have a big negative impact. The legislature is talking about a change to Prop 13, removing it from commercial property. I like that idea. I always thought of that law (controversial as it is) as a way to help families keep family homes.

california is an expensive place to live and do business. i think it's so desirable to be here that if we had "competitive" tax rates and expenses, everybody and his brother would move here. as it is, you have to run a little faster to keep up to survive here

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engineer cat Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:19:32pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

If that were true, prisons should be the most godly places on earth.

as it is they fulfill the biblical values of polygamy, slavery, and animal sacrifice

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Stanghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:24:15pm

re: #92 Obdicut

Here, this won't cheer you up:

Philandering Pastor Fathered Her 'Devil Child,' Parishioner Claims

We have so far to go. Maybe 10 generations from now, maybe not.

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Stanghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:28:13pm

Eight Years Ago

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dragonath Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:32:23pm

re: #102 Stanghazi

Eight Years Ago

Was Dick Cheney trying to cosplay Judge Doom or something?

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Henchman 25 Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:33:33pm

re: #103 dragonath

Was Dick Cheney trying to cosplay Judge Doom or something?

LOL you made me choke on my orange juice!

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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:35:15pm

re: #93 engineer cat

btw - if i make a tweet, how can i put it into a lgf comment like gus does?

Copy the link in the time signature of the tweet, and paste it in your comment on its own line.

Preview.

Post.

I need friends with a fireplace, a liquor cabinet, taste, and exquisitely few morals.
— Nein. (@NeinQuarterly) January 5, 2013

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dragonath Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:38:14pm

Lorenz All-in-One Fireplace, Liquor Cabinet, Radio and Phonograph!

Taste... is optional.

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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:40:49pm

re: #106 dragonath

Lorenz All-in-One Fireplace, Liquor Cabinet, Radio and Phonograph!

Taste... is optional.

May I tweet that to him?

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dragonath Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:41:35pm

Yes! Ja!!

It's German too...!

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engineer cat Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:43:22pm

re: #105 wrenchwench

thanks you!

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Kronocide Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:43:25pm

Jahwmahn Engineering

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Stanghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:46:04pm

re: #103 dragonath

Was Dick Cheney trying to cosplay Judge Doom or something?

Complete opposite from VP Biden.

Remember when he came to the inauguration in a wheelchair? Oh, yeah, right after that he had to get a new heart.

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Stanghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:47:09pm

re: #106 dragonath

Lorenz All-in-One Fireplace, Liquor Cabinet, Radio and Phonograph!

Taste... is optional.

Those were the days.

I love retro.

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dragonath Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:47:48pm

re: #112 Stanghazi

Did you know you can listen to shortwave on it?

Coming to you from *szzzcrkzz* Nashville, TN on our 10,000 Watt, state of the *crackle* art transmitters, A Walk in the Supernatural!

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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:48:48pm

re: #108 dragonath

Yes! Ja!!

It's German too...!

Nein! Nein! Nein!

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Stanghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:49:30pm

UPDATE!!

My Christmas tree is 1/2 deconstructed.

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bratwurst Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:50:12pm

re: #103 dragonath

Was Dick Cheney trying to cosplay Judge Doom or something?

How about when he showed up at an Auschwitz memorial ceremony looking like he was there to run the snow blower?

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

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Kronocide Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:51:34pm

I don't know why this story is so funny:
Cat used in Brazil prison smuggling try

The O Estado de S. Paulo newspaper reported Saturday that all of the prison's 263 inmates are suspects in the smuggling attempt, though it says a prison spokesman said "It will be hard to discover who is responsible since the cat does not speak."

ICANHAZCONTRABANDS

Smuggles the Cat

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Stanghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:51:41pm

re: #116 bratwurst

How about when he showed up at an Auschwitz memorial ceremony looking like he was there to runn the snow blower?

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

He'd rather be hunting it appears.

That dude's legacy is not good.

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dragonath Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:52:00pm

re: #114 Varek Raith

Nein! Nein! Nein!

Youtube Video

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Kronocide Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:54:14pm

re: #115 Stanghazi

UPDATE!!

My Christmas tree is 1/2 deconstructed.

WAR ON CHRISTMAS!

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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:54:25pm

re: #119 dragonath

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Ah, Dragonball Z.
Watched that when I was a kid.

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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:54:53pm

re: #120 Kronocide

WAR ON CHRISTMAS!

More like her war on the New Year!
/

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HoosierHoops Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:56:53pm

re: #115 Stanghazi

UPDATE!!

My Christmas tree is 1/2 deconstructed.

Hi You..As an aside last night during the Cotton Bowl everybody was moaning all the money they lost on the Gators. I had to laugh and was thinking of you.
They all gamble here on all sports.
/hope today finds you well

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dragonath Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:57:51pm

re: #113 dragonath

Just wanted to say, I did not make that up- there really is a radio station in Nashville that runs that very program along with a bunch of buybuybuy gold programming.

Republicans, taking their platform straight from the shortwaves!

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Stanghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 2:59:37pm

re: #120 Kronocide

WAR ON CHRISTMAS!

Fucking A

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dragonath Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:01:57pm

You should really follow those links. Especially this one.

The "challange" awaits!

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Stanghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:02:48pm

re: #123 A Man for all Seasons

Hi You..As an aside last night during the Cotton Bowl everybody was moaning all the money they lost on the Gators. I had to laugh and was thinking of you.
They all gamble here on all sports.
/hope today finds you well

Ah Hoops, at one point I thought they threw the game. Maybe.... But then I realized how the Gators just love to embarrass their fans. No one said a WORD to me the next day at work, save my good friend.

I'm wearing my Gatorville sweatshirt today and someone commented on it.

THE HORROR. Glad in a way to read that you went through a similar experience.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:08:03pm

re: #126 dragonath

The "challange" awaits!

All I'm saying is, those two people in that picture have the nastiest, kinkiest sex ever. Like Team America puppet sex nasty.

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dragonath Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:12:52pm

Did you check out that site? It's all about the CHRIST MILITANT MISSION.

Jesus, our War Captain, wept over the sins of Israel

Aieeee!!

The truth is, God’s love is also His wrath...to try and get the erring believer or believers back to Him. Preaching judgment and Hell in bygone days brought more conversions to Christ than all the “love” preaching does today. Read your history books.

Westboro, eat your heart out!

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bratwurst Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:23:16pm

Just noticed "Dan Hicks" trending on Twitter. I got VERY nervous something bad had happened to the man behind Dan Hicks & His Hot Licks, but it turns out that the guy calling the NFL game right now also has that name. Please listen to this anyway:

Youtube Video

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dragonath Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:23:41pm

Oh dang, I copied the wrong link in the post above.

You're all going to hell gentlemen.

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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:23:56pm

re: #129 dragonath

The truth is, God’s love is also His wrath...to try and get the erring believer or believers back to Him. Preaching judgment and Hell in bygone days brought more conversions to Christ than all the “love” preaching does today. Read your history books.

Yeah, it's a shame we've passed beyond the age where the missionaries could team up with feudal monarchs and bloodthirsty conquerors to get the word out. Sadly, we can only do the Olaf Tryggvason thing in the hinterlands of brown folks....

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makeitstop Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:28:32pm

re: #130 bratwurst

Just noticed "Dan Hicks" trending on Twitter. I got VERY nervous something bad had happened to the man behind Dan Hicks & His Hot Licks, but it turns out that the guy calling the NFL game right now also has that name. Please listen to this anyway:

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Thomas Dolby does an excellent cover of that song.

I had a mean crush on Hot Lick Maryanne once upon a time.

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ProBosniaLiberal Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:38:04pm

I just saw this story, and I have one response: LOLWUT?!?!!?

Honduras ambassador resigns after alleged embassy orgy

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ProBosniaLiberal Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:43:43pm

re: #134 ProBosniaLiberal

I think this might be a WTFIWWY worthy story.

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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:46:28pm

re: #130 bratwurst

Just noticed "Dan Hicks" trending on Twitter. I got VERY nervous something bad had happened to the man behind Dan Hicks & His Hot Licks, but it turns out that the guy calling the NFL game right now also has that name. Please listen to this anyway:

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When I think of Dan Hicks, I think of the 8-track player in my Falcon.

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ProBosniaLiberal Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:55:23pm

re: #134 ProBosniaLiberal

Time to pack it up.

No scandal we can produce will be weirder/worse than the Christmas Orgy in the Honduran Embassy to Colombia.

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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:56:17pm

re: #137 ProBosniaLiberal

Time to pack it up.

No scandal we can produce will be weirder/worse than the Christmas Orgy in the Honduran Embassy to Colombia.

Image: challenge-accepted.png

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ProBosniaLiberal Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:57:47pm

re: #138 Varek Raith

Logically, I don't see it happening.

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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:58:23pm

re: #137 ProBosniaLiberal

Time to pack it up.

No scandal we can produce will be weirder/worse than the Christmas Orgy in the Honduran Embassy to Colombia.

Hm.

Needs more pinatas. And Bronies. And Meuniere sauce.

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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:58:58pm

re: #139 ProBosniaLiberal

Logically, I don't see it happening.

O ye, of little faith.
:P

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ProBosniaLiberal Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:01:41pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

No, I have faith their will be big scandals.

But this...this far outshines anything we have every produced. I think it goes the same for most other nations too. This is the equivalent in size to the sun, when speaking of the Solar System.

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engineer cat Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:12:17pm

Christmas Orgy in the Honduran Embassy to Colombia

some movies are better on cable than in the theatre

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Kronocide Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:12:47pm

I'm sure it's already out on video.

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Kronocide Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:14:12pm

I was wondering if they were trying to defect but it appears they did defecate.

Funny as shit.

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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:15:30pm

Politics is big business in America.

How is everyone this afternoon?

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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:16:55pm

I haven't read the linked article yet, but just the fact it had to be written says a lot about republicans (and none of it good):

I talked to a real police hostage negotiator about how Obama should handle GOP/debt ceiling. His advice: wapo.st/WrF5RE
— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) January 4, 2013

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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:26:22pm

re: #77 Romantic Heretic

I'm afraid I regard 'libertarianism' as a marketing ploy. Most of the libertarians I know seem, to me, to simply be anarchists. So why the rebranding?

First, anarchy and anarchists have a lot of bad history. By renaming themselves as 'libertarians' the anarchists no longer carry that historical baggage.

Secondly, it sets the argument before it even gets started. By adopting the name 'libertarian' it appears that to argue against 'libertarianism' is to argue against liberty itself. Anyone who opposes them is now evil because only evil people can be against liberty. Or so it appears.

My view on government is similar to yours, but I prefer to call myself a humanist, using the definition of humanism that my favourite author wrote: An exaltation of freedom but one limited by our need to integrate ourselves into society and nature.

My $0.02.

It seems classical liberal & libertarian (probably all the political labels) have become as meaningless as "fascist".

I try not to use labels. It is hard. I generally us "Whacko™ " as a catch-all for the baddy, baddy types. I don't think I have one for the angelic.

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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:27:41pm

re: #91 Kragar

But I thought prisons were being overrun by the Muslim Brotherhood.
///

Thus the reason Bibles are encouraged . . . . .

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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:36:52pm

I killed the thread.

I'm sorry.

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Stanghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:41:51pm

He delivered someone else's package... [Link: www.dogshaming.com...]

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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:42:48pm

Good week, Lizardim!

I'm enjoying a cappuccino that I made from my new cappuccino maker. Trying to get the hang of this gadget. Not a bad cup on my first try.

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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:44:14pm

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

Good week, Lizardim!

I'm enjoying a cappuccino that I made from my new cappuccino maker. Trying to get the hang of this gadget. Not a bad cup on my first try.

We got one for a wedding present. I wore it out in 6 months. Sent it for repairs and it lasted another 3. I gave-up after that.

Now, it seems like too much work.

Good Luck with yours!

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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:45:55pm

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

We got one for a wedding present. I wore it out in 6 months. Sent it for repairs and it lasted another 3. I gave-up after that.

Now, it seems like too much work.

Good Luck with yours!

It's a cheap one, I bought it after reading all the reviews for different models in that price range. I don't expect it to last long. If I like it I might move up to a higher-price model.

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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:57:46pm

To be filed under "Cream, Required for Burn":

Is it one of those places that isn't the Senate? RT @scottbrownma: At Petey's. anyone know where that is?
— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) January 6, 2013

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Stanghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:06:54pm

re: #155 Interesting Times

To be filed under "Cream, Required for Burn":

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l o l

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efuseakay Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:11:32pm

re: #118 Stanghazi

He'd rather be hunting it appears.

That dude's legacy is not good.

I don't think he cares what you think.

Battle Of The Bulge.

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FemNaziBitch Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:11:37pm

Romantic Heretic,

Thanks for the heads-up on the previous thread. I posted the links that I found there.

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Achilles Tang Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:19:11pm

All this has, for some time, been one reservation I have had about Clinton (Bill), other than his judgment about cigars, regardless of his many other talents.

How could he have been so poor a judge of character?

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Stanghazi Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:20:29pm

If I can't be tall...

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sagehen Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:04:49pm

re: #102 Stanghazi