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1 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:17:46pm

Avatar test..Sorry

2 dragonath  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:18:49pm

There's a communist mouse on the top of the page!

3 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:19:37pm

He had his finger on the trigger.

I hate that.

4 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:19:52pm

re: #2 dragonath

There's a communist mouse on the top of the page!

That's the Rebelmouse!

5 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:22:22pm

Last test..My avatar is a pic of my boy in Iraq.

6 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:23:15pm

well, that was disturbing.

7 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:23:55pm

re: #5 HoosierHoops

Last test..My avatar is a pic of my boy in Iraq.

Awesome pic! What's the structure/vehicle behind them?

8 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:24:13pm
9 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:24:59pm

re: #6 FemNaziBitch

well, that was disturbing.

Yeah - I'm pretty sure that was the point of it.

10 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:27:42pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Yeah - I'm pretty sure that was the point of it.

Just stating the obvious.

:0

11 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:33:57pm

Some new stuff going on today: if you click the category or any tag for an article, you now get to an index of front page posts with that tag or category. If you scroll all the way to the bottom there's a "More Articles" button that lets you load another 10 articles with that tag/category.

12 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:35:02pm

It's been done:

"SCHLAGETER: Good old Fritz! (Laughing.) No paradise will entice you out of your barbed wire entanglement!

THIEMANN: That's for damned sure! Barbed wire is barbed wire! I know what I'm up against.... No rose without a thorn!... And the last thing I'll stand for is ideas to get the better of me! I know that rubbish from '18 ..., fraternity, equality, ..., freedom ..., beauty and dignity! You gotta use the right bait to hook 'em. And then, you're right in the middle of a parley and they say: Hands up! You're disarmed..., you republican voting swine!—No, let 'em keep their good distance with their whole ideological kettle of fish ... I shoot with live ammunition! When I hear the word culture ..., I release the safety on my Browning!"

SCHLAGETER: What a thing to say!

THIEMANN: It hits the mark! You can be sure of that.
SCHLAGETER: You've got a hair trigger.
"

—Hans Johst's Nazi Drama Schlageter. Translated with an introduction by Ford B. Parkes-Perret. Akademischer Verlag Hans-Dieter Heinz, Stuttgart, 1984.

via Wiki

13 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:35:45pm

America.

14 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:36:49pm

Amercia.
;)

15 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:36:58pm

re: #13 Gus

Good thing there was an armed guard ready to handle the situation.

16 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:37:21pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Awesome pic! What's the structure/vehicle behind them?

I'm not sure.. I'll ask him..Just some old broken down rusty POS. The pic was taken after the war of Fallujah and was completely destroyed and put down.
Jordan would take all the hard candy we sent him to give to the kids there cause they lived through effen Hell. Many children and wives were used as human shields

17 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:37:27pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Good thing there was an armed guard ready to handle the situation.

Teaching Assistant

18 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:41:36pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Good thing there was an armed guard ready to handle the situation.

Clearly, God was in that room.

19 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:43:07pm

I think what we saw in this video was essentially the NRA's vision of a perfect America.

20 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:44:29pm

Sure, the guy with the gun got out of control. But there was a good guy with a gun right there. Utopia.

21 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:50:24pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Sure, the guy with the gun got out of control. But there was a good guy with a gun right there. Utopia.

Guns provide us safety, food, an enjoyable hobby, and protect are freedoms and whey of life.

22 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:51:43pm

re: #21 Gus

Whey? Ricotta?

23 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:52:32pm

re: #22 PhillyPretzel

Whey? Ricotta?

Bush speak.

24 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:53:02pm

re: #23 Gus

lol.

25 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:56:31pm

Image: h867BAC2B.jpg

Later, lizards.

26 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:59:17pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

Is that the kitten from h*%$l? half /

27 freetoken  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:03:11pm

"The gun is Truth".

Are you sure this isn't an NRA commercial?

28 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:05:57pm

re: #27 freetoken

"The gun is Truth".

Are you sure this isn't an NRA commercial?

Unpossible! This is clearly librul Demoncrat propaganda film. Can't you see? He said clip instead of magazine. Librul fail!

//

29 freetoken  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:06:51pm

re: #28 Gus

CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP! CLIP!

30 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:11:57pm

dolores moran

2nd billing actress and real cutie, in to have and to have not with bogart and bacall in 1945

31 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:12:22pm

Yes, this is from the Daily Kos. However, it got my attention.

Outrage in Delaware

It's pretty sick. That town needs a boycott.

32 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:12:33pm

Coming next from the NRA...

33 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:15:13pm

re: #31 ProBosniaLiberal

Yes, this is from the Daily Kos. However, it got my attention.

Outrage in Delaware

It's pretty sick. That town needs a boycott.

Fake.

34 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:18:38pm

re: #33 Gus

Fake.

Sign has layers?

35 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:21:37pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Sign has layers?

Uniform white border on both signs. Square corners instead of the required round corners.

36 freetoken  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:23:35pm

NRA school safety leader says effort is for real

The head of the NRA's bid to place armed guards in schools nationwide said the effort is serious and not simply window dressing in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., school shootings.

[...]

Hutchinson insisted that armed volunteers in schools is one of a laundry list of ideas that he and his team will consider as it prepares a set of recommendations on best security practices for schools to consider.

“What's important to me is that we don't start into this study with a closed mind,” Hutchinson said.

Another option, Hutchinson said, is arming school personnel — teachers and administrators — who are interested in firearms training.

The idea of armed volunteers and teachers has evoked much caustic criticism from gun control proponents.

[...]

37 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:25:22pm

re: #36 freetoken

NRA school safety leader says effort is for real

Y'all need to catch up, hear?

[Link: blog.al.com...]

38 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:26:00pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Apparently, the guy who made the page heard it from a talk show host in Delaware named Dan Gaffney.

39 freetoken  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:26:26pm

I'll note that the Hearst story to which I just linked was courtesy of the "MySanAntonio" website.

Ironically, "MySanAntonio" is an anagram for "My Onion, Satan".

40 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:35:21pm

re: #38 ProBosniaLiberal

Apparently, the guy who made the page heard it from a talk show host in Delaware named Dan Gaffney.

It's either Photoshop or someone put up fake signage and took a picture of it.

41 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:37:04pm


Zedushka is still beating himself up because in 1990 he bought a 50MB HD for $500.

42 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:37:29pm

re: #40 Gus

If someone did the second, they need to be smacked.

Sadly, I belief something like this could happen now. For me, the fact it was a Conservative who stumbled on it gives credence in my eyes. Many are quite will to look the other way, or do race-baiting themselves.

Anyone in Delaware, go check on this thing.

43 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:39:12pm

re: #40 Gus

It's either Photoshop or someone put up fake signage and took a picture of it.

From the diary at Kos:

4:57 PM PT: There are some who arguing that this is a photoshop. I have spoken to people who have seen the sign, so I am confident it is not. However, I will be driving down to the park in Milford, DE in the early morning to photograph it for myself to prove to the doubters that this racism is in fact real.

He doesn't give out the address of the place where this sign is so that other people can also see for themselves. Why not?

44 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:41:13pm

re: #40 Gus

It's either Photoshop or someone put up fake signage and took a picture of it.

Also.. The Spanish is a mess with misspellings

you must under a permit to play in this field will suscceptiblies violators to police action

45 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:41:44pm

re: #41 Vicious Babushka

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Zedushka is still beating himself up because in 1990 he bought a 50MB HD for $500.

Heh. In 1981 we paid $400 for a Rana 5 1/4 inch single-side floppy drive. 360 kB.

46 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:47:27pm

re: #41 Vicious Babushka

I remember spending a couple hundred bucks to get from 16k to 48k on a TRS-80. Now? A couple hundred bucks can get you terabytes of memory. Moore's Law in action.

47 Lidane  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:55:27pm

Somewhere in Minnesota, people are throwing things at their TV as the Vikings play.

48 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:02:41pm

re: #47 Lidane

Somewhere in Minnesota, people are throwing things at their TV as the Vikings play.

I think the most emotional game of the weekend be be Colts vs. Ravens.
Ray Lewis coming back for perhaps his last game and our coach coming back from cancer. The place will be rocking.

49 jaunte  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:05:54pm

re: #33 Gus

I re-tweeted that, then noticed the smaller sign has the bigger fasteners.

50 bratwurst  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:09:55pm
51 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:10:11pm

re: #49 jaunte

I re-tweeted that, then noticed the smaller sign has the bigger fasteners.

It's also easy to fake these things. Most of the viral church marquis, outrageous Burger King signs, etc. are fakes. There are sites where you can make your own.

52 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:14:47pm

re: #49 jaunte

I re-tweeted that, then noticed the smaller sign has the bigger fasteners.

I figured it out with the help of some of the comments. First, the two signs aren't about the same thing. One is for a playground while the Spanish one is for a field. Some park worker just put the Spanish one meant for a playing field in the playground. If it was a deliberate Photoshop they wouldn't have translated it into something about a playground. Mystery solved.

53 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:16:08pm

Corrections: " If it was a deliberate Photoshop they wouldn't have translated it into something about a playground. Mystery solved."

54 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:16:20pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.says-it.com...]

55 freetoken  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:16:48pm

Mass Shootings Do Little to Change State Gun Laws

[...]

ProPublica decided to take a look at what's happened legislatively in states where some of the worst shootings in recent U.S. history have occurred to see what effect, if any, those events had on gun laws.

We found that while legislators in Virginia, Alabama, Arizona, New York, Texas and Colorado sometimes contemplated tightening rules after rampage shootings, few measures gained passage. In fact, several states have made it easier to buy more guns and take them to more places.

Here's a rundown of what's happened in each of those states:


[...]

56 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:17:33pm

Milford Delaware also broke ground for an all accessible playground last year. That will mean kids with disabilities will be able to play there too. Not sure about this alleged park yet. ;)

57 jaunte  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:18:06pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Image: csg-classic2.jpg

58 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:18:38pm

re: #56 Gus

Milford Delaware also broke ground for an all accessible playground last year. That will mean kids with disabilities will be able to play there too. Not sure about this alleged park yet. ;)

[Link: www.candomilford.org...]

59 Lidane  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:28:03pm

Heh:

60 freetoken  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:28:23pm

Bubble, or a peak into the future?

Iowa Farmland Surges 24% Versus Year Ago

Iowa farmland reached a record $8,296 an acre as of November 1, a rise of $1,588 an acre, or 23.7%, from 2011, according to the annual Iowa State University (ISU) Land Value Survey. This marks the third year in a row values have increased by more than 15%, says Dr. Mike Duffy, leader of the survey. For perspective, Iowa land values rose at a rate exceeding 30% a year for the consecutive years of 1973, 1974 and 1975. A 25% annual increase then followed in 1976.

The percentage increase is stronger than the 18% rise (October 2011 to September 2012 basis) reported by the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago. The stronger percentage gain reported by the ISU survey reflects the powerful demand that swept across Iowa this fall.

Highest County: O’Brien with an estimated $12,862 average value. It also had the strongest percentage increase and highest dollar increase in values at 35.2% and $3,348, respectively. Surprisingly, nearby Osceola, Dickinson and Lyon counties also saw 35.2% increases each.

[...]

I wonder about what kind of inflation is coming at us - something predictable or something uglier. We live in strange times, when official "cost of living" wage rates are zero or near so, but when other parts of our economy can undergo radical price increases.

61 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:29:07pm
62 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:29:48pm

re: #57 jaunte

Image: csg-classic2.jpg

That reminds me there's a Franciscan order just a few block away from me. I should go talk to them and see how they feel about atheists. I checked out the Zen franchises in town and they're all moonbats. No country for old men.

63 b_sharp  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:31:12pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

That reminds me there's a Franciscan order just a few block away from me. I should go talk to them and see how they feel about atheists. I checked out the Zen franchises in town and they're all moonbats. No country for old men.

Is there a sale on atheists or something? Or are you just trying to make a buck?

64 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:33:12pm

re: #63 b_sharp

sale on atheists

just when i find out i'm worth something, it turns out i'm on discount

65 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:33:46pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

That reminds me there's a Franciscan order just a few block away from me. I should go talk to them and see how they feel about atheists. I checked out the Zen franchises in town and they're all moonbats. No country for old men.

Franciscan order:

"One wafer. Would you like wine with that?"

66 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:34:15pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

That reminds me there's a Franciscan order just a few block away from me. I should go talk to them and see how they feel about atheists. I checked out the Zen franchises in town and they're all moonbats. No country for old men.

LOL
[Link: www.freeimagehosting.net...]

67 freetoken  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:35:44pm

A trip down nostalgia lane...

From 5 years ago (as of next week):

McCain and Romney Tangle Over Job Losses in Michigan

Re-reading that 5 years later it becomes all the more obvious why I disliked Romney (and McCain for that matter) even back then.

Mr. Romney criticized the energy bill signed into law last month by President Bush that requires cars and trucks sold in the United States to achieve a fleet average of 35 miles per gallon by 2020. Substantial majorities in both parties in both houses of Congress approved the measure. Mr. McCain voted for it.

Mr. Romney said he opposed the new mileage standard, describing it as an anvil tossed to Detroit by a government that did not understand the auto industry or care about its workers. “As president, I will not rest as Detroit gets to see layoff after layoff after layoff,” he said.

Mr. Romney proposed increased government spending for research on advanced fuels and vehicles, aid to automakers to deal with the costs of health care and pensions for retirees, and tax cuts for most taxpayers to help them buy new cars.

That was classic Mitt, from which he did not veer even in 2012. He simultaneously objected to mileage requirements imposed by the government, but then in the same breath proposed increased spending on researching fuels. IOW, he played both the anti-government and pro-pork crowds simultaneously.

More importantly though it seems as if the GOP really hasn't recovered from its anti-GWB blues, now 8 years after the latter's 2004 re-election. It's still deeply entrenched in heatedly worded, absurd self-contradictions, like all those who voted against the Sandy Relief bill but had previously been supporters of such efforts in other parts of the country.

69 andres  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:39:59pm

re: #31 ProBosniaLiberal

Yes, this is from the Daily Kos. However, it got my attention.

Outrage in Delaware

It's pretty sick. That town needs a boycott.

If it isn't fake, it's a fail on the translator. It seems they used a computer translator to make this (the verb form is very wrong, for example). I'd have fun with them, and gently point out a better translation.

When several languages dominate an area, these sort of things happen often.

70 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:41:11pm

The Germans sure know how to take care of equipment. 8 Lufthansa MD-11Fs lined up. And looking good.

71 Interesting Times  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:42:13pm

Win:

72 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:42:46pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

Franciscan order:

"One wafer. Would you like wine with that?"

I went to an Eastern Orthodox X-mas mass a few years ago. They served homemade bread, cheese, fruit and and wine as the communion on a self serve table. It's the way it should be done.

73 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:43:57pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

I went to an Eastern Orthodox X-mas mass a few years ago. They served homemade bread, cheese, fruit and and wine as the communion on a self serve table. It's the way it should be done.

Uhhh..That was the buffet. You're still not saved.

74 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:43:58pm

re: #71 Interesting Times

Ahh. The joys of knowing your semantics.

75 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:44:52pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Uhhh..That was the buffet. You're still not saved.

That explains the eternal hell fire.

76 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:46:19pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Uhhh..That was the buffet. You're still not saved.

All atheists go to heaven. As punishment.

77 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:47:28pm

re: #76 Gus

All atheists go to heaven. As punishment.

Eternal Chagrin.

78 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:47:38pm

In case you thought the holiday season was over, Orthodox X-mas is on Monday

79 freetoken  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:48:43pm

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Eternal Chagrin.

Seraphims' schadenfreude .

80 jaunte  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:49:45pm
81 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:49:54pm

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Eternal Chagrin.

Jerry Falwell as your bunk mate for googol.

82 freetoken  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:50:13pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

And Chinese New Year is our Feb. 10!

83 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:50:36pm

re: #81 Gus

Jerry Falwell as your bunk mate for googol.

If you're agnostic, damnation is just a data point.

84 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:51:07pm

re: #80 jaunte

Image: mick-stevens-angel-browsing-library-books-in-heaven-finds-they-are-all-the-same-new-yorker-cartoon.jpg

Year 1 billion... Tonight's sermon by Rick Santorum. Attendance required.

85 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:53:16pm

re: #82 freetoken

It will be the year of the Snake.

86 Kragar  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:53:24pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

In case you thought the holiday season was over, Orthodox X-mas is on Monday

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What do you mean over? They've already got Easter candy out.

87 Kragar  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:55:06pm

re: #85 PhillyPretzel

It will be the year of the Snake.

And not the Union of the Snake. Don't confuse the two.

88 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:56:46pm

re: #87 Kragar

[Link: search.yahoo.com...]

89 Lidane  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:58:50pm
90 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:00:01pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

91 Kragar  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:02:02pm

What’s going on around Andromeda? Curious structure puzzles scientists.

The ring, if it can be called that, represents "the largest organized structure in what we call the local group of galaxies," says Michael Rich, a research astronomer at the University of California at Los Angeles and a member of the team reporting the results in the Jan. 3 issue of the journal Nature. The local group consists of more than 54 galaxies, including dwarfs, about 10 million light-years across.

Such rings don't appear when astrophysicists run their models of galaxy evolution, or when they model the local group's formation, he says. In addition, Andromeda and the Milky Way, the two most massive galaxies in the group, appear to be headed for a collision in about 4.5 billion years. The two galaxies are but 2.5 million light-years away and closing.

"Given all of this, we don't have a clear explanation for why this structure exists," Dr. Rich says.

92 jaunte  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:02:21pm

re: #81 Gus

Eternity, with the Twitter Gulag Defense Network.

93 Kragar  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:03:31pm

re: #92 jaunte

TGDN = Teapartiers going down nightly

94 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:05:39pm

re: #92 jaunte

Eternity, with the Twitter Gulag Defense Network.

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[Laughter]

95 Kragar  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:06:25pm
96 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:07:11pm

My only regret will be that my last thoughts will be of dying. But then I knew since I was ten that we are only here for many decades. Then, we return to nothingness. It all stops.

97 jaunte  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:07:14pm

re: #94 Gus

More about the Twitter Gulag Defense Network
The original TCOT kind of fell apart over egos, but is still used daily to disseminate information between conservatives who use Twitter. The TCOT website is still up and running, too. You can go there and see most of the original TCOT bunch, arraigned by follower count.

Predicting the future?

98 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:09:01pm

re: #97 jaunte

Predicting the future?

The less I know the better.

99 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:09:09pm

re: #96 Gus

My only regret will be that my last thoughts will be of dying. But then I knew since I was ten that we are only here for many decades. Then, we return to nothingness. It all stops.

Except Comcast cable. They refused to cancel my dead FIL's contract without his authorization.

100 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:09:57pm
101 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:10:23pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Except Comcast cable. They refused to cancel my dead FIL's contract without his authorization.

It'll suck.

102 Lidane  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:13:31pm

re: #92 jaunte

Twitter Gulag Defense Network.

That should make it easier to add to the Derp List.

103 jaunte  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:15:41pm

re: #102 Lidane

I wonder if I should tell them the NSA is watching.

104 Kragar  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:17:50pm

re: #103 jaunte

I wonder if I should tell them the NSA is watching.

You would think given the martial law dictatorship Obama is going to be enacting any day now, they wouldn't want to be signing up for a site that puts them first on the front page of the hit list.
/

105 Lidane  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:19:23pm
106 Kragar  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:19:36pm

Fucktard. Nothing prevented the schools from hiring armed guards before.

107 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:19:39pm

re: #40 Gus

It's either Photoshop or someone put up fake signage and took a picture of it.

It is real, but it is a mistake, a helpful commenter from the town has a reasonable sounding explanation for what happened...

live in Milford and know where the sign is, although I haven't seen it myself, since it is on a playground near a new elementary school, and my kids are out of elementary school.

Let me begin by saying that the sign is wrong, and I'll contact the school superintendent, and knowing her, it will be fixed ASAP. However, there are similar signs in both English and Spanish near the HS, which refer to playing on the ball fields without permits. Since the pictured playground is next to a field, the sign most likely refers to playing on the field, not the equipment. It needs to be fixed and clarified.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

108 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:22:05pm

re: #107 watching you tiny alien kittens are

It is real, but it is a mistake, a helpful commenter from the town has a reasonable sounding explanation for what happened...

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Yep. Just some dumb fuck up.

109 Gus  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:23:30pm
110 Lidane  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:25:33pm

This is hilarious. The derp on display is stunning:

111 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:26:22pm

re: #82 freetoken

And Chinese New Year is our Feb. 10!

Shin Yen Quai Lah!

112 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:27:45pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Giggles, you can either just say you are him, or do the send them a death certificate thing.

113 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:28:44pm

re: #112 Dancing along the light of day

Giggles, you can either just say you are him, or do the send them a death certificate thing.

Went up their chain of command until we hit a functional.

114 Kragar  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:28:50pm

re: #110 Lidane

This is hilarious. The derp on display is stunning:

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The irony here is these are the kind of people who would defend a child molester if he was a priest or football player.

115 Kragar  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:31:19pm

Steubenville rape protest draws hundreds as city responds to cover-up allegations

Hundreds of demonstrators converged on Steubenville, Ohio on Saturday to demand justice for the 16-year-old victim of an alleged rape in August, in a case that has garnered national attention.

WTRF-TV reported that protesters at the “Occupy Steubenville” included visitors from as far away as California and New York, and even overseas.

Several of the demonstrators wore masks or carried signs bearing the likeness of Guy Fawlkes, the symbol of the “Anonymous” hacker collective. An affiliated group, KnightSec, brought the case further to light after releasing video and other evidence it said was swept under the rug for the sake of protecting the town’s high school football program, including mockery of the victim.

116 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:36:12pm

re: #76 Gus

All atheists go to heaven. As punishment.

This is beautiful, and goes in the mental clip-and-save folder.

117 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:40:09pm

re: #115 Kragar

Steubenville rape protest draws hundreds as city responds to cover-up allegations

I think this will be one for the social science textbooks. Football players (allegedly) commit a rape and brag about it through electronic media, town covers it up, anonymous people drag it back out using electronic subterfuge to expose the evidence, world takes notice. Biz-ARRE. "Anonymous" allegedly posted a video taken the night of the assault, even.

It's amazing, really. I'm not sure what to think. Frankly I need somebody smarter to give me some pointers on this one...

118 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:40:11pm

Random Saturday Night Music
Might be on topic...


The Beat Farmers
Gun Sale At The Church

119 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:42:59pm

What I saw was that the guy with the pistol was holding it wrong. He had his finger inside the trigger guard. I couldn't get off noting that. The whole schtick was just wrong wrong wrong.

(What did I expect? It's the Onion. But all the other layers just weren't there for me.)

;-)

120 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:49:00pm

re: #118 Political Atheist

Random Saturday Night Music
Might be on topic...

The Beat Farmers
Gun Sale At The Church

Well my two main men are Jesus and old John Birch
So were going on down to the gun sale at the church. ;)

121 makeitstop  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:58:35pm

Anybody here up for a Replacements reunion?

122 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 9:03:09pm

re: #118 Political Atheist

Random Saturday Night Music
Might be on topic...

The Beat Farmers
Gun Sale At The Church

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re: #121 makeitstop

Anybody here up for a Replacements reunion?

Music thread that references the Beat Farmers and the 'Placemats?

I'm awake! I'm awake!

123 makeitstop  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 9:07:13pm

re: #122 BongCrodny

re: #121 makeitstop

Music thread that references the Beat Farmers and the 'Placemats?

I'm awake! I'm awake!

Here's the skinny on the 'Mats reunion - it's actually just Westerberg and Tommy, doing a limited-edition covers EP to raise money for Slim.

Mars didn't want to do it, but he did donate the cover art.

I'd buy it, given the chance.

124 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 9:17:49pm

re: #117 Pawn of the Oppressor

I think this will be one for the social science textbooks. Football players (allegedly) commit a rape and brag about it through electronic media, town covers it up, anonymous people drag it back out using electronic subterfuge to expose the evidence, world takes notice. Biz-ARRE. "Anonymous" allegedly posted a video taken the night of the assault, even.

It's amazing, really. I'm not sure what to think. Frankly I need somebody smarter to give me some pointers on this one...

Above my pay grade, but by me, the hacking is justified. We don't know for an absolute fact that they committed the rapes, but the tape sure looks authentic. Only in the world of court proceedings do we dignify the residual uncertainty about the authenticity of the tape with "allegedly". That tape was taken that night, for sure. It's not a forgery. And the authorities of Steubenville ought to have got on the job and brung the bastids in pronto. Before forensic evidence could go missing or stale.

125 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 9:22:44pm

Rep. Hanabusa Calls For Apology From Fox's O'Reilly Over "Insulting" Comments On Asian-Americans

U.S. Representative Colleen Hanabusa (D-HI) condemned Fox News host Bill O'Reilly, describing his recent comments on Asian-Americans as "insulting" and calling for an apology.

On Thursday, O'Reilly devoted a segment of his Fox News show, The O'Reilly Factor, to Hawaii. After playing a pre-recorded video of producer Jesse Watters doing man-on-the-street interviews in Hawaii, O'Reilly said that the state is one of his "favorite places in the world," but that it has "a lot of social problems." He went on to say that "35 percent of the Hawaiian population is Asian," and added: "Asian people are not liberal, you know, by nature. They're usually more industrious and hard-working."

In response, Hanabusa criticized O'Reilly for "thoughtlessly insult[ing] 1.3 million people with one sweeping misstatement," and said that "O'Reilly's attempt to characterize Hawaii's Asian-American population is most insulting of all." She characterized his comments as "the kind of one dimensional and paternalistic attitude that we should have gotten past decades ago."

126 bratwurst  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 9:24:55pm

Too often in these troubled times we hear of dangerous partisan wackos. I hardly think this qualifies as good news, but word tonight from Florida of a man who must be America's LEAST partisan wacko:

Man who spent 18 months in prison for threatening to kill former President George W. Bush awaits sentencing for threatening to assassinate President Barack Obama, the first family and their dog Bo.

127 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 9:31:35pm

U.S. slams the door on parents hoping to see dying daughter

[...]

The visitation denials are the latest in a series of misfortunes to befall Maria Sanchez and her family.

Two years ago, upon learning that she was in the country illegally, the University of Texas Medical Branch ejected her from the hospital shortly before scheduled surgery on a spinal tumor.

The tumor has slowly choked the life from her, gradually taking away control of her limbs and recently her eyesight. Scrawled on her discharge paper was the suggestion that she seek surgery in Mexico.

A UTMB statement at the time said federal privacy laws prevented the hospital from commenting on a specific case.

Sanchez's husband, Luis Aguillon, moved Sanchez and their 5-year-old daughter, Melissa, from Galveston to Houston so she could receive care at Ben Taub Hospital. Doctors there told her the tumor was too close to her spine to be removed surgically, and advised her to put her affairs in order.

Jose Sanchez and his wife, Ninfa, both 48, on Thursday returned to their tiny village in the coastal state of Veracruz, about 180 miles east of Mexico City.

The impoverished couple had borrowed money for a bus ride to Mexico City, then a plane ride to Reynosa for the failed attempt to see the eldest of their six children.

“We miss her a lot, like any parents, no?” Jose Sanchez said by phone from the village of Napoala on Friday. “But we are resigned since we have been placed in a helpless situation, knowing that we can't be there with her.”

Aguillon said his wife has not seen her parents in nine years. He said it was difficult to tell her for the third time that her parents were refused entry.

“She got sad,” said Aguillon, who is in this country legally. “Imagine you are dying, you want to see your mom and your dad.”

[...]

128 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 10:10:48pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

mmigration officials generally are unsympathetic to the tragic circumstances that befall immigrants, Foster said.

“What happens is they become somewhat immune to these forms of human tragedy,” he said.

Foster said that once Sanchez's parents were denied the first time, other immigration officials would be reluctant to overrule the original denial.

“Once denied, it poisons the water,” he said.

"All in all, you're just another brick in the wall..."

129 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 10:29:18pm

re: #60 freetoken

Bubble, or a peak into the future?

Iowa Farmland Surges 24% Versus Year Ago

I wonder about what kind of inflation is coming at us - something predictable or something uglier. We live in strange times, when official "cost of living" wage rates are zero or near so, but when other parts of our economy can undergo radical price increases.

Be careful what you say. Muttering about inflation is the sign of a wingnut.

There has been a stunning increase in the official measures of the money supply. On its face, that should have produced a sharp burst of inflation. But.

Money isn't what it used to be. For all practical purposes, a credit card limit that people treat as a bank balance amounts to money, at least for a while. It works as if it were money, enabling spending. Likewise with many other forms of credit.

After the crash, people began to pay down credit balances. That has destroyed a lot of pseudo-money, somewhat balancing the increase in the official money supply. Or at least, that's my theory.

If true, this opens the door to inflation if and when credit flows more liberally, but until then, we won't get our inflation until yet another burst of money issuing rolls around.

As it must, if the deficit remains anything like it has been. So far, the president has not proposed any measures that would meaningfully rein it in. The Republicans in Congress have vowed to fight any tax increases on the middle class, and without that, nothing short of politically unthinkable cuts to social security, the military, etc. could close the gap.

130 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 10:44:49pm

re: #129 lostlakehiker

the nature of money has changed. a century ago, money was currency tied to gold reserves. now it is something else. theories about 'the money supply' aren't immutable laws of physics

131 freetoken  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 11:33:05pm
132 researchok  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 12:17:16am

Good Morning, all

133 researchok  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 12:21:19am

re: #131 freetoken

A middle of the night French toe tapper.

No one will ever call you predictable.

Or unoriginal.

134 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 12:36:48am

re: #117 Pawn of the Oppressor

I think this will be one for the social science textbooks. Football players (allegedly) commit a rape and brag about it through electronic media, town covers it up, anonymous people drag it back out using electronic subterfuge to expose the evidence, world takes notice. Biz-ARRE. "Anonymous" allegedly posted a video taken the night of the assault, even.

It's amazing, really. I'm not sure what to think. Frankly I need somebody smarter to give me some pointers on this one...

The difference between us and India is only one of degree...women are still at risk.

135 researchok  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 1:05:32am

Health Insurers Raise Some Rates by Double Digits

Health insurance companies across the country are seeking and winning double-digit increases in premiums for some customers, even though one of the biggest objectives of the Obama administration’s health care law was to stem the rapid rise in insurance costs for consumers.

Particularly vulnerable to the high rates are small businesses and people who do not have employer-provided insurance and must buy it on their own.

In California, Aetna is proposing rate increases of as much as 22 percent, Anthem Blue Cross 26 percent and Blue Shield of California 20 percent for some of those policy holders, according to the insurers’ filings with the state for 2013. These rate requests are all the more striking after a 39 percent rise sought by Anthem Blue Cross in 2010 helped give impetus to the law, known as the Affordable Care Act, which was passed the same year and will not be fully in effect until 2014.

In other states, like Florida and Ohio, insurers have been able to raise rates by at least 20 percent for some policy holders. The rate increases can amount to several hundred dollars a month.

The proposed increases compare with about 4 percent for families with employer-based policies.

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136 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 1:41:40am

re: #135 researchok

This is what happens when you let insurance companies write the legislation.

137 freetoken  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 1:42:12am

re: #135 researchok

I have no doubt that premium rates will go up considerably more over the next few years. Health costs have been going up strongly for some time, and trying to cover more people who otherwise couldn't afford a certain level of care will simply have to be paid for by those who can afford it.

All the efforts at cost cutting might add up to something, but in the end upping the demand for healthcare is a strong force pushing up costs.

And yes, I suspect that the whiners over Obama-care will use this data to support their efforts to gut the legislation.

138 freetoken  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 1:43:38am
139 researchok  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 1:47:01am

re: #137 freetoken

I actually support the ACA.

My only beef is I believe it ought to phased in- any of the inevtable kinks in the system can be worked out.

I'd start with coverage for prenatal to 12 and 50/60 on up.

The rest can be phased in over time.

I'd even include dental in the mix.

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 1:58:18am

re: #139 researchok

I support universal health care, and although I think the ACA is a flawed plan, it is nonetheless the best that we could manage, and a small wonder that it was passed and became law.

Now there are going to be people all over fighting tooth and nail to see that it fails. Because although it was designed by a Republican, it was put in place by the Antichrist.

141 researchok  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 2:04:59am

re: #140 Sol Berdinowitz

I hear that

The only reasonable critiques in my opinion, are structural. Besides the idea of phasing it in, there is an argument that cane be made about the initial scope of the project.

For example, there are about 30 million uninsured American- why not start with that number and broaden the project over time?

Of course, the counter argument is clear- costs are rising. Deal with it all now or pay more over time.

Either way, the solutions are imperfect. They will have to be refined, regardless.

142 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 2:18:12am

expect to see a ton of specific, anecdotal evidence of how the plan is failing while these critics fail to offer any other alternative than returning to the status quo ante of 40 milion uninsured Americans, many of whom use emergency care as a last (expensive) resort for treatment of conditions that could have been prevented and would have cost us all a lot less had they been insured.

143 freetoken  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 2:37:46am
144 freetoken  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 4:31:23am

Well, so much for Telemann energizing the room...

145 freetoken  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 4:33:34am

Loyalty pays:

POPE MAKES LONGTIME AIDE A BISHOP IN ST. PETER'S

Pope Benedict XVI has rewarded his longtime loyal secretary by making him a bishop in an elaborate ceremony in St. Peter's Basilica.

[...]

146 freetoken  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 4:47:09am

The GOP now totally controls Tennessee politics, and they are determined to keep it in the dark:

Tenn. GOP supermajority looks to year ahead

With a new GOP supermajority in place for the dawn of the 108th General Assembly this week, Democrats find themselves facing irrelevancy except in cases where the ruling Republicans are divided.

[...]

The session formally convenes at noon on Tuesday. Republicans have 70 seats in the 99-member House and 26 in the 33-member Senate, marking the first time since the Reconstruction era of the late 1860s when the GOP had such ironclad control.

[...]

[P]ropose a substantial reform of the state's workers compensation system. He has not revealed details of the latter, though it is widely expected to end most of the court system's involvement in deciding payments due to workers injured on the job.

The governor determinedly avoided taking a stance on some of the more controversial issues to be considered by the General Assembly, including two hot topics in education — creating a school voucher system in Tennessee and making it easier for the state to override local boards of education that reject a charter school's application.

[...]

The first bill pre-filed for the legislative session — by Sen. Brian Kelsey, R-Germantown — would block Haslam from implementing an expansion of Medicare coverage to more Tennesseans, as authorized but not required under the federal Affordable Care Act and a U.S. Supreme Court ruling. Haslam is officially undecided on whether to seek an expansion, saying he sees the benefits but worries about the potential costs.

[...]

The failure in 2012 of a bill to allow a company's employees to keep their firearms in locked cars, even if the company prohibits guns on its premises, will be revisited. In the session's opening week, a task force appointed by Harwell will be looking at a proposal by Sen. Stacey Campfield as a possible compromise.

[...]


n After the horrific mass murders at a Connecticut elementary school, legislators including Sen. Frank Niceley, R-Strawberry Plains, and Campfield proposed legislation with the goal of having more people with guns watching over school children. The proposals differ somewhat in details, with Niceley focusing on training school employees in law enforcement and Campfield on allowing handgun permit holders to be the armed overseers.

[...] Comptroller Justin Wilson is pushing for repeal of a property tax break for the solar equipment industry.

[...]

Quite the agenda:

- eliminate the right of workers to have compensation decided in a court of law;
- school vouchers;
- centralize control of schools from local school boards who object to vouchers;
- block expansion of Medicare;
- target exclusively green energy companies (but not say coal companies);
- and of course, MOAR GUNZ!!, everywhere.

That is the contemporary Republican party, encapsulated so well in one state.

147 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 4:50:15am

re: #146 freetoken

Quite the agenda:

- eliminate the right of workers to have compensation decided in a court of law;
- school vouchers;
- centralize control of schools from local school boards who object to vouchers;
- block expansion of Medicare;
- target exclusively green energy companies (but not say coal companies);
- and of course, MOAR GUNZ!!, everywhere.

That is the contemporary Republican party, encapsulated so well in one state.

And this is why the GOP establishment cannot begin to distance themselves from these people: they rely on them to heavily at a state and local level. So they have to try and deal with them in Washington, which is proving all but impossible for any sane person.

148 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 5:31:48am

Governor Cocknuckles continues being a dick:

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker still hasn't issued a pardon

Republican Gov. Scott Walker hasn’t issued a pardon or set up the next version of the state’s Pardon Advisory Board, refusing to exercise one of his office’s most expansive powers to restore felons’ former rights.

Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie said Monday the governor has suspended the pardon program but offered no explanation beyond “because he has made the decision not to grant any pardons at this time.” Werwie didn’t have any numbers on how many people have requested a pardon, saying only that the office has received “a bunch.”

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 5:35:59am

re: #148 Amory Blaine

Governor Cocknuckles continues being a dick:

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker still hasn't issued a pardon

See how quickly he reacts if one of his political cronies or major campaign contributors gets into trouble...

150 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 5:46:49am

His political cronies are in trouble. A few got locked up already. Some are free because they are snitches. He has a large defense fund as well. The guy is total scum.

151 researchok  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 6:46:34am

re: #144 freetoken

Better late than never

152 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 6:51:44am

re: #148 Amory Blaine

Governor Cocknuckles continues being a dick:

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker still hasn't issued a pardon

Some governors simply don't issue pardons unless its needed for a case where the person was obviously railroaded or other such system failure. Other than that sort of thing, Scott Walker likely thinks that those who commit felonies should be permanently labeled as felons.

153 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 6:57:59am

re: #148 Amory Blaine

There's one other point, one that I feel needed a separate post:

Scott Walker has strongly focused on those who are or can be persuaded to be voters who will cast ballots for him. Convicted felons, if their voting rights are restored, overwhelmingly vote for Democrats (John Gresham said it best, "A liberal is a conservative who's been arrested.") and thus Gov. Walker has no interest in doing things for them. From his (IMO valid) point of view, issuing pardons risks blowing up in his face if those pardoned commit new crimes and gains him nothing, therefore he won't do it.

154 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:00:01am

re: #146 freetoken

The GOP now totally controls Tennessee politics, and they are determined to keep it in the dark:

Tenn. GOP supermajority looks to year ahead

Quite the agenda:

- eliminate the right of workers to have compensation decided in a court of law;
- school vouchers;
- centralize control of schools from local school boards who object to vouchers;
- block expansion of Medicare;
- target exclusively green energy companies (but not say coal companies);
- and of course, MOAR GUNZ!!, everywhere.

That is the contemporary Republican party, encapsulated so well in one state.

Wow, if they manage to do all that the state will lose so many people and so much revenue that the federal government will be able to turn it into a national park.

155 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:00:10am

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

You mean like Dukakis and Willie Horton? Or Gerald Ford and Nixon?

Granted, Nixon was not convicted of any crimes after being pardoned, he just scuppered Ford's chance at re-election...

156 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:00:54am

Mornin' everyone...except any cheeseheads...fuckin' Packers had our number yesterday.

157 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:02:48am

re: #155 Sol Berdinowitz

You mean like Dukakis and Willie Horton? Or Gerald Ford and Nixon?

Granted, Nixon was not convicted of any crimes after being pardoned, he just scuppered Ford's chance at re-election...

Dukakis didn't pardon Willie Horton. It was an ill conceived furlough program.

158 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:04:41am

re: #155 Sol Berdinowitz

You mean like Dukakis and Willie Horton? Or Gerald Ford and Nixon?

Granted, Nixon was not convicted of any crimes after being pardoned, he just scuppered Ford's chance at re-election...

Willie Horton wasn't pardoned, he was given a weekend furlough. But Michael Dukakis was the governor of Massachusetts when Horton committed the horrific rape that formed the core of 'Willie Horton issue', and Dukakis defended the furlough program when asked about it, which allowed Lee Atwater an opening which Atwater eagerly exploited.

159 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:07:19am

re: #156 darthstar

Mornin' everyone...except any cheeseheads...fuckin' Packers had our number yesterday.

You had two good runners on the field with Peterson and Webb, but Webb wasn't ready to create the pass plays that could have reduced Green Bay's run defense, and the Packers successfully adapted their defensive doctrine to reduce Peterson's effectiveness to an acceptable level.

161 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:18:51am

Good article...lots of straight up quotes from Max Cleland that are worth reading.

162 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:18:56am

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

Impressive would have been had he made it of mithril. Gold? Tacky. Far too ostentatious.

163 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:22:03am

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

If he lost the two dozen chains he has around his neck, that shirt would actually look good on him.

164 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:22:09am

re: #162 lawhawk

Impressive would have been had he made it of mithril. Gold? Tacky. Far too ostentatious.

I found mithril on Blueberry Hill!

165 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:23:01am

re: #164 Sol Berdinowitz

I found mithril on Blueberry Hill!

That calls for some mountaintop removal.

166 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:24:42am

re: #165 darthstar

Where do you think you are? West Virginia?

167 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:24:52am

re: #135 researchok

Health Insurers Raise Some Rates by Double Digits

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Huh, this is the first year in at least 7 that my insurance premium has gone down. Considerably actually.

168 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:26:09am

re: #166 lawhawk

Where do you think you are? West Virginia?

No, but mountaintop removal for mithril mining would get darthstar in good with the Koch brothers.

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169 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:29:16am

re: #163 darthstar

If he lost the two dozen chains he has around his neck, that shirt would actually look good on him.

I'd also say he should lose the bracelets and most of the rings, keeping one ring for each hand. Then have a slightly smaller, better fitting watch. Then he'd look good. As it stands, I concur with lawhawk's judgement of "Far too ostentatious."

170 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:30:18am

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

There's one other point, one that I feel needed a separate post:

Scott Walker has strongly focused on those who are or can be persuaded to be voters who will cast ballots for him. Convicted felons, if their voting rights are restored, overwhelmingly vote for Democrats (John Gresham said it best, "A liberal is a conservative who's been arrested.") and thus Gov. Walker has no interest in doing things for them. From his (IMO valid) point of view, issuing pardons risks blowing up in his face if those pardoned commit new crimes and gains him nothing, therefore he won't do it.

So you consider it perfectly valid that issuing a pardon and thus, theoretically, ensuring justice is done, should be denied if the wronged person probably won't vote for you?

Would it be better if the pardoned person paid him something?

171 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:31:05am

re: #170 Renaissance_Man

So you consider it perfectly valid that issuing a pardon and thus, theoretically, ensuring justice is done, should be denied if the wronged person probably won't vote for you?

Would it be better if the pardoned person paid him something?

You are expected to pay up front...before you are convicted.

172 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:32:11am

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

I'd also say he should lose the bracelets and most of the rings, keeping one ring for each hand. Then have a slightly smaller, better fitting watch. Then he'd look good. As it stands, I concur with lawhawk's judgement of "Far too ostentatious."

He's 32, a money lender, and probably listens to crappy music while chasing the Indian equivalent of Snooki around Mumbai. Ostentatious is what he's enjoying right now.

173 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:36:31am

re: #170 Renaissance_Man

So you consider it perfectly valid that issuing a pardon and thus, theoretically, ensuring justice is done, should be denied if the wronged person probably won't vote for you?

Would it be better if the pardoned person paid him something?

Read my other post:

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

Some governors simply don't issue pardons unless its needed for a case where the person was obviously railroaded or other such system failure. Other than that sort of thing, Scott Walker likely thinks that those who commit felonies should be permanently labeled as felons.

If it is a case of a reasonably clear injustice, then a pardon should be issued regardless of interested. One does not need to be an altruist to believe in justice.

174 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:37:25am

re: #172 darthstar

He's 32, a money lender, and probably listens to crappy music while chasing the Indian equivalent of Snooki around Mumbai. Ostentatious is what he's enjoying right now.

If that is what he thinks he needs to wear to get laid, he must be packing some seriously tiny family jewels...

175 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:37:30am

Oh, jesus...the NHL resolved their lockout? Well, the good news is there will only be 12 weeks of Hockey plus playoffs.

176 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:38:22am

re: #170 Renaissance_Man

Clemency and pardons are part and parcel of Executive Branch privilege. It's something that shouldn't be undertaken lightly, but refusing to issue them is also an abuse of that power.

As we've seen across the country, there are people who are wrongly convicted, or have convictions with sentences that are too harsh compared with the crimes.

Walker's abused that privilege.

177 Tigger2005  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:38:45am

re: #110 Lidane

This is hilarious. The derp on display is stunning:

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Their Twitter sites are pretty terrifying. Mindless rage and paranoia and Fox News derpitude.

178 dragonath  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:41:20am

re: #146 freetoken

Quite the agenda:

- eliminate the right of workers to have compensation decided in a court of law;
- school vouchers;
- centralize control of schools from local school boards who object to vouchers;
- block expansion of Medicare;
- target exclusively green energy companies (but not say coal companies);
- and of course, MOAR GUNZ!!, everywhere.

Tennessee is ground zero for the modern evangelical movement. Most of these people will watch the education system become medieval and they will love it.

179 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:42:44am

re: #175 darthstar

Oh, jesus...the NHL resolved their lockout? Well, the good news is there will only be 12 weeks of Hockey plus playoffs.

How can you be from Minnesota and dislike hockey? I thought it was illegal to hate hockey up there.

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180 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:43:37am

As for me, I'm looking forward to seeing the Blackhawks get back in action.

181 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:45:24am

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

How can you be from Minnesota and dislike hockey? I thought it was illegal to hate hockey up there.

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I'm from San Francisco/Northern California. I just like the Vikings football team. Never even been to Minnesota.

182 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:46:05am

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

As for me, I'm looking forward to seeing the Blackhawks get back in action.

We have an Indian Casino here called Redhawk.

183 erik_t  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:47:31am

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD

HOCKEY AGAIN

PRAISE JESUS I DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO PRETEND TO WATCH THE DAMNED NBA

184 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:49:30am

re: #183 erik_t

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD

HOCKEY AGAIN

PRAISE JESUS I DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO PRETEND TO WATCH THE DAMNED NBA

Good point...

185 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:49:40am

re: #181 darthstar

I'm from San Francisco/Northern California. I just like the Vikings football team. Never even been to Minnesota.

You're weird, Darthstar.

186 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:50:47am

re: #183 erik_t

I was hoping the PBA would return to its rightful place on ABC Sports on Saturday afternoons. I find that far more entertaining than NBA.

187 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:52:49am

re: #186 darthstar

I was hoping the PBA would return to its rightful place on ABC Sports on Saturday afternoons. I find that far more entertaining than NBA.

Whatever, Lebowski.

188 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:52:58am

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

You're weird, Darthstar.

Who picks their teams by geography? I picked the Vikings the old fashioned way...because I liked their uniforms and their name...yeah, I was 10 at the time, but I picked my team and I'm sticking with it.

189 erik_t  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:53:38am

re: #186 darthstar

I was hoping the PBA would return to its rightful place on ABC Sports on Saturday afternoons. I find that far more entertaining than NBA.

Okay, whoa, whoa, listen. Twenty. Four. Seven. Curling.

Did I just blow your mind!?

190 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:55:36am

re: #189 erik_t

Okay, whoa, whoa, listen. Twenty. Four. Seven. Curling.

Did I just blow your mind!?

Curlers scream at slow moving rocks. Far too stressful. I like bowling and golf on TV, but I do wish they'd let the athletes smoke and drink on camera...be far more realistic.

191 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:57:02am

re: #188 darthstar

Who picks their teams by geography? I picked the Vikings the old fashioned way...because I liked their uniforms and their name...yeah, I was 10 at the time, but I picked my team and I'm sticking with it.

Most people pick the teams they grow up near. This does mean that you have enclaves of fans of other cities' team in Chicago, but most people raised in Chicago root for the Bears for football and the Blackhawks for NHL hockey (if they follow hockey, since its not as popular as football).

For baseball, Chicago is still very geographical: The North Side roots for the Cubs, the South Side roots for the White Sox.

192 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 7:58:04am

re: #190 darthstar

Curlers scream at slow moving rocks. Far too stressful. I like bowling and golf on TV, but I do wish they'd let the athletes smoke and drink on camera...be far more realistic.

[kicks Darthstar in the shin]

YOU BASTARD! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!

///

193 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:05:34am

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Chicago has a football team?

194 Mattand  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:06:20am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

[kicks Darthstar in the shin]

YOU BASTARD! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!

///

Why do you think they're drinking and smoking?

195 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:08:23am

re: #193 darthstar

Chicago has a football team?

Go Fuck Yourself.

196 Mattand  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:10:09am

re: #193 darthstar

Chicago has a football team?

Da Bears at least played hard and just got unlucky. Apparently Philly has a collection of guys who run up and down a gridiron while getting their asses handed to them on a weekly basis.

197 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:11:28am

re: #190 darthstar

Curlers scream at slow moving rocks. Far too stressful. I like bowling and golf on TV, but I do wish they'd let the athletes smoke and drink on camera...be far more realistic.

Full contact bikini jello pool curling, on Pay Per View

Wipe out the national debt in a weekend!

198 erik_t  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:12:46am

re: #193 darthstar

Chicago has a football team?

Not to take sides here, but didn't the Vikings just start something called a Joe Webb at QB?

199 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:14:42am

re: #196 Mattand

Da Bears at least played hard and just got unlucky. Apparently Philly has a collection of guys who run up and down a gridiron while getting their asses handed to them on a weekly basis.

10-6 is not a humiliating season, though it does mean the Bears need serious adjustments. Getting rid of Lovie Smith was unpleasant, but a needed thing.

200 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:14:50am

re: #198 erik_t

Not to take sides here, but didn't the Vikings just start something called a Joe Webb at QB?

Jack Webbs son?

Image: 280px-Jackwebbbbigseptemberman.jpg

"Just the facts, ma'am"

201 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:17:51am

re: #200 sattv4u2

Jack Webbs son?

Image: 280px-Jackwebbbbigseptemberman.jpg

"Just the facts, ma'am"

Don't make me come over there, Satt.

202 Kid A  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:23:50am

Per the last thread, who is LGF's "token classical liberal?"

203 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:24:41am

Kilgore Trout

204 Kid A  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:25:48am

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

10-6 is not a humiliating season, though it does mean the Bears need serious adjustments. Getting rid of Lovie Smith was unpleasant, but a needed thing.

Could not disagree more. The Bears have a serious problem, and his name is Jay Cutler. He's an overrated, prima-donna, whiny little bitch. Vince Lombardi could not coach that loser.

205 Kid A  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:26:13am

re: #203 Kronocide

Kilgore Trout

Thanks.

206 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:26:51am

re: #198 erik_t

Not to take sides here, but didn't the Vikings just start something called a Joe Webb at QB?

Yeah, I turned on the TV and was all, "WHAT THE FUCK?" That was an unfortunate change...but the defense folded and gave Rogers the field.

207 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:31:37am

re: #204 Kid A

Could not disagree more. The Bears have a serious problem, and his name is Jay Cutler. He's an overrated, prima-donna, whiny little bitch. Vince Lombardi could not coach that loser.

Cutler isn't the problem, its bad planning that is the problem. Get Cutler a tight end who can catch reliably, another decent wide receiver, and get a good-quality offensive lineman or two and the Bears are good for 12-4. Cutler's fine. How many times does he have to get hit or play hurt to prove it to you? Hell, before halftime in the game where he got the concussion this year he still went back in and ran, not sliding but taking the hit to get the yardage. Show him some respect, I think he's earned it.

208 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:34:46am

It's morning, again.

209 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:38:01am

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like he's going to be another Steve Young. So brain dead he can't do a Prius commercial without some old lady carrying him through it.

Concussions are serious. Take the helmets and pads out of football and you'll reduce the injuries. Rugby players have far more contact and far less major injury because players aren't encased in armour which allows them to hurl themselves like projectiles into other human ordinance. It's not the contact with the other players that causes the concussion. It's the brain stopping against the inside of the skull.

210 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:39:40am

Regarding the Spanish playground sign outrage in Delaware:

Multiple signs have been photographed.

One sign (scroll down to the bottom) has the same message in English and Spanish. All the other signs have a much harsher message in Spanish than in English.

It seems less like deliberate racism than lazy stupidity by someone who doesn't speak Spanish.

211 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:44:37am

The Tax Man Takes Aim At The World's Wealthy

Some of the subsidy deals struck generations ago between the Catholic church and governments in predominantly Catholic countries are also being reviewed and, in some cases, changed.

At the end of 2012, Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti won EU approval to strip the Catholic Church of its exemption from local taxes on real estate it owns that is used for commercial purposes.

In Spain, officials in one town outside Madrid are poised to send the Catholic Church a property tax bill for the first time.

A city councilman told the The Washington Post, "We want to make a statement that the costs of the crisis should be borne equally by every person and institution."

212 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:46:53am

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

Regarding the Spanish playground sign outrage in Delaware:

Multiple signs have been photographed.

One sign (scroll down to the bottom) has the same message in English and Spanish. All the other signs have a much harsher message in Spanish than in English.

It seems less like deliberate racism than lazy stupidity by someone who doesn't speak Spanish.

I agree

I can see the city workers putting the signs together

"Hey, dude, don't forget to put the spanish on up there too."

City Employee looks at piles of signs and picks up one that looks like it is written in Spanish, "This one?"

"Yeah, that one"

They should have the english translation written on the back or a sticker or something.

213 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:50:58am

re: #212 FemNaziBitch

English sign at border: "Welcome to the United States of America"

Spanish sign at border: "Tresspassers will be shot on sight!"

214 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:56:21am

Evolutionism explained ???

What is the point of a "test" that tells you what to write in the blanks?

Creationist "textbook"

215 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 8:58:15am

The Real Causes of Divorce -- America Has to Stop Blaming It on Women

A 2004 study by Stanford Business School discovered fascinating facts about how no-fault divorce impacted women:

-20% reduction in female suicide after 20 years (none for men)
-33% reduction in domestic violence against women (after a rise in other states vs. a drop in no-fault states)
-Decline in the domestic murder rate for women (none for men)

Researchers concluded a key driver of these trends was that men were encouraged to behave better because they knew it would be easy for their spouses to divorce.

216 Kid A  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:02:57am

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

I get down-dinged for a freaking take on the Bears, Dark??!! What the fuck is that about? LOL!!!

I have no dog in this fight as I'm a Texans fan, though I see Cutler's act on the sidelines and can't help but wonder what his teammates think of his attitude. At times I have seen Cutler look like the second-coming of Joe Montana, but more often than not look like a typical Bears' quarterback: average at best. He is a key ingredient to the Bears' post-7-1 start slide; Lovie had no business getting fired, either. Face it Dark, Cutler sucks.

217 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:03:06am

re: #214 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Evolutionism explained ???

Creationist "textbook"

That stuff is not science. It scares me that there are people whose basic understanding of science is so weak that they cannot recognize it.

218 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:05:19am

re: #216 Kid A

I was all excited about the 1969 Super Bowl, the Colts and the Jets were my favorite teams in each league, so it was a win-win thing for me.

Have not known or cared about the participants or the outcome of a Super Bowl ever since.

219 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:06:22am

Football fans. Not quite as bad as soccer hooligans, at least they don't riot.

220 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:07:52am

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

Regarding the Spanish playground sign outrage in Delaware:

Multiple signs have been photographed.

One sign (scroll down to the bottom) has the same message in English and Spanish. All the other signs have a much harsher message in Spanish than in English.

It seems less like deliberate racism than lazy stupidity by someone who doesn't speak Spanish.

Yes, it was a mistake by someone who can't read Spanish, the High school ball field next to the playground requires a permit to use. That sign should have only been placed there not in front of the playground too. It seems like a reasonable excuse to me, they just need to change the sign to one with an actual translation of the English one. Here in my county you aren't allowed to use the high school football fields unless you are part of a team that has a permit that allows you to use the field either.

One of the comments in the thread last night pointed out what was going on...

I live in Milford and know where the sign is, although I haven't seen it myself, since it is on a playground near a new elementary school, and my kids are out of elementary school.

Let me begin by saying that the sign is wrong, and I'll contact the school superintendent, and knowing her, it will be fixed ASAP. However, there are similar signs in both English and Spanish near the HS, which refer to playing on the ball fields without permits. Since the pictured playground is next to a field, the sign most likely refers to playing on the field, not the equipment. It needs to be fixed and clarified.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

221 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:08:29am

re: #219 Kronocide

Football fans. Not quite as bad as soccer hooligans, at least they don't riot.

Throw a handful of actual soccer hooligans into a football stadium and all the other fans around them would leave by half time to watch the game on TV with their kids.

222 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:10:32am

re: #215 FemNaziBitch

The Real Causes of Divorce -- America Has to Stop Blaming It on Women

Thanks for that. One of my pet wingnuts likes to harp at length about how no-fault divorce is the cause for so much of society's current ills, asserting that things like domestic abuse and murder were rare before no-fault because society looked down on men who did such things. In short, he's got a very "Leave It to Beaver" viewpoint on what married life was like back before no-fault.

223 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:10:33am

re: #164 Sol Berdinowitz

I found mithril on Blueberry Hill!

Boooooooo!


I am so jealous.

224 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:10:56am

Like a lot of fans around here, I root the Lions during the regular season and then for the Patriots during the playoffs.

225 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:12:11am

re: #219 Kronocide

Football fans. Not quite as bad as soccer hooligans, at least they don't riot.

A beer at a football game costs about $10. Most people can't afford to get hammered.

226 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:14:26am

re: #225 Mich-again

A beer at a football game costs about $10. Most people can't afford to get hammered.

Stadium beer is also 3.2% alcohol. Keep 'em peeing, and they won't have time to fight.

227 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:15:20am

re: #224 Mich-again

Like a lot of fans around here, I root the Lions during the regular season and then for the Patriots during the playoffs.

re: #225 Mich-again

A beer at a football game costs about $10. Most people can't afford to get hammered.

Tail
Gating
(many are hammered prior to kick off)

228 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:16:27am

re: #227 sattv4u2

re: #225 Mich-again

Tail
Gating
(many are hammered prior to kick off)

Tailgate parties are why my parents don't take me to church at Xmas anymore.

229 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:16:48am

Another busy day for the drones
U.S. drone attack kills 10 in Pakistan: intelligence sources

Three of the intelligence sources and a Taliban commander said that Wali Muhammed, also known as Toofin, was among the dead. He supervised suicide bomb squads for the Pakistani Taliban.

The Pakistani Taliban has established sanctuaries in the mountainous Babar area, 140 km (87 miles) northeast of Wana, the main city of the South Waziristan region, they said.

South Waziristan is controlled by the Pakistani army, which operates under an uneasy truce with militants from the local Wazir tribe.

Sunday's strike followed the death of Mullah Nazir, a Waziri militant leader, on Wednesday. Nazir supported attacks on American forces in Afghanistan but had signed two peace deals with the Pakistani army. On Sunday, thousands of his tribesmen protested against his killing.

230 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:17:26am

re: #229 Killgore Trout

Another busy day for the drones

I feel for you.

231 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:17:30am

re: #222 Targetpractice

Thanks for that. One of my pet wingnuts likes to harp at length about how no-fault divorce is the cause for so much of society's current ills, asserting that things like domestic abuse and murder were rare before no-fault because society looked down on men who did such things. In short, he's got a very "Leave It to Beaver" viewpoint on what married life was like back before no-fault.

The link to the Stanford Research Paper is listed as well in the article. The PDF is interesting.

232 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:17:42am

re: #224 Mich-again

Like a lot of fans around here, I root the Lions during the regular season and then for the Patriots during the playoffs.

Been a Pats fan since their inception (BOY, did they go through some lean years)

Prior to that many in New England were (and still are) New York Giants fans. Prior to the (old) AFL days the Giants were our 'local" team

233 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:19:55am

re: #229 Killgore Trout

Wali Muhammed, also known as Toofin

sounds like a Hip Hop/ Rap name!
/

234 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:20:45am

Okay...battery power at 11%...time to go plug this sucker in. Have a good day all.

235 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:21:32am

re: #226 darthstar

Stadium beer is also 3.2% alcohol. Keep 'em peeing, and they won't have time to fight.

When the Lions played at the Silverdome there were fights in the crowd every game it seemed, always in the 2nd half for some odd reason. /

I once saw a guy wearing a Washington Redskins warm-up suit get into the bathroom line during halftime and start taunting the Lion's fans because the Skins were beating us pretty bad that day, and some guy in line just punched him in the mouth and knocked him to the ground and no one even blinked. dude just picked himself up and went to another bathroom.

The Ford Field crowd is much more refined. You never see fights in the crowd anymore..

236 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:21:46am

re: #211 FemNaziBitch

The Tax Man Takes Aim At The World's Wealthy

At the end of 2012, Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti won EU approval to strip the Catholic Church of its exemption from local taxes on real estate it owns that is used for commercial purposes.

It's about fucking time.

237 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:22:14am

re: #233 sattv4u2

Wali Muhammed, also known as Toofin

sounds like a Hip Hop/ Rap name!
/

Toofin Wali?

Image: hip-hop-hip-hop-west-virginia-red-neck-backwoods-toothless-r-demotivational-poster-1240245675.jpg

238 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:22:48am
239 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:23:37am

re: #236 BongCrodny

It's about fucking time.

Yeah, they've been in the news for other suspected shenanagins. Sucks being a human being after centuries of being near-god. The hypocrisy is blatant.

240 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:25:30am

re: #230 darthstar

I feel for you.

Like it or not it's our only hope to get out of Afghanistan leaving behind a stable country.

241 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:26:09am

re: #222 Targetpractice

Thanks for that. One of my pet wingnuts likes to harp at length about how no-fault divorce is the cause for so much of society's current ills, asserting that things like domestic abuse and murder were rare before no-fault because society looked down on men who did such things. In short, he's got a very "Leave It to Beaver" viewpoint on what married life was like back before no-fault.

Right, like the Steubenville, Ohio football players who may or may not get prison sentences for rape and abuse? And, there is William Kennedy Smith and who else???

242 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:28:20am

re: #240 Killgore Trout

Like it or not it's our only hope to get out of Afghanistan leaving behind a stable country.

I'm beginning to think the only way that is going to happen is if the land itself is made uninhabitable. The people will have to go elsewhere and assimilate.

243 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:29:19am

re: #235 Mich-again

I once saw a guy wearing a Washington Redskins warm-up suit get into the bathroom line during halftime and start taunting the Lion's fans because the Skins were beating us pretty bad that day, and some guy in line just punched him in the mouth and knocked him to the ground and no one even blinked. dude just picked himself up and went to another bathroom.

If only they were both armed.

I don't know who's more of a douche, Loudmouth or Smashmouth. It's a fucking game, laugh cheer and have fun.

244 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:32:00am

re: #240 Killgore Trout

Like it or not it's our only hope to get out of Afghanistan leaving behind a stable country.

There is no hope of that. We just need to leave and know it'll continue to be the graveyard of empires. We've lost as has everyone since Alexander. It's time to admit that and stop killing kids for no good reason.

245 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:32:13am

re: #241 FemNaziBitch

Right, like the Steubenville, Ohio football players who may or may not get prison sentences for rape and abuse? And, there is William Kennedy Smith and who else???

Of course, I've argued that with him before, that society always had a way of arguing that any woman who got knocked around had brought it on herself. If anything, society of the time had a lower opinion of a man who was seen as unable to "control his woman." It's where comments about "wearing the pants in the family" came from.

246 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:33:59am

re: #245 Targetpractice

Of course, I've argued that with him before, that society always had a way of arguing that any woman who got knocked around had brought it on herself. If anything, society of the time had a lower opinion of a man who was seen as unable to "control his woman." It's where comments about "wearing the pants in the family" came from.

Leave it to Beaver was a TV show and the mythical perfect past, wasn't.

When people start talking about how much better it used to be, I simply remind them that if they want to back to Jim Crow then they are racist.

247 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:34:05am

re: #242 FemNaziBitch

I'm beginning to think the only way that is going to happen is if the land itself is made uninhabitable. The people will have to go elsewhere and assimilate.

The only sure fire way is to get Pakistan to take control over the tribal areas but they've shown no interest in doing it. Why they want to remain a failed state is beyond me but I suspect it has a lot to do with Pakistan's intelligence service using terrorist groups in the area to spread Pakistani influence in the region. It's a mess.

248 Gus  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:35:16am
249 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:37:39am

re: #248 Gus

Twitter Gulag Derp Network

Lol.
Whiny babies.

250 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:37:39am

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Why they want to remain a failed state is beyond

A very small yet powerful contingent of people have 100% of the control of all resources/ foreign aide monies. Same thing with North Korea. The people are totally powerless

251 erik_t  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:38:37am

re: #226 darthstar

Stadium beer is also 3.2% alcohol. Keep 'em peeing, and they won't have time to fight.

That must be a state-by-state thing. I've certainly had some stadium beers that were not 3.2.

252 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:38:45am
253 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:39:40am

re: #250 sattv4u2

Why they want to remain a failed state is beyond

A very small yet powerful contingent of people have 100% of the control of all resources/ foreign aide monies. Same thing with North Korea. The people are totally powerless

If we do pull-out, I think we should pull everything --money, aid, buildings down the last tent stake. Leave them totally on their own.

254 Gus  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:39:44am

re: #249 Varek Raith

Lol.
Whiny babies.

They're worried!


255 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:40:40am

re: #253 FemNaziBitch

If we do pull-out, I think we should pull everything --money, aid, buildings down the last tent stake. Leave them totally on their own.

That's just what we did in the late 80s.

256 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:41:47am

re: #253 FemNaziBitch

If we do pull-out, I think we should pull everything --money, aid, buildings down the last tent stake. Leave them totally on their own.

Thats a hard call because there are private (as well as UN backed) aid agencies in country that do help 'the people' and without our forces there they would be 100% vulnerable

257 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:42:37am

re: #254 Gus

They're worried!

[Embedded content]

They have no clue how hard it is to amend the Constitution, do they?
Morons.
This has as much chance of happening as snow surviving in hell.

258 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:43:01am

re: #256 sattv4u2

Thats a hard call because there are private (as well as UN backed) aid agencies in country that do help 'the people' and without our forces there they would be 100% vulnerable

I know. And some other power would just move in our place.

I just don't understand how they can move from a tribal society to a modern one while the rest of the world is enabling their leaders to maintain the status-quo.

259 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:46:27am

re: #258 FemNaziBitch

I know. And some other power would just move in our place.

I just don't understand how they can move from a tribal society to a modern one while the rest of the world is enabling their leaders to maintain the status-quo.

I doubt it now

Russia wants no part of it
Non of the European nations would do it alone
China has never shown interest in something of that nature

There's really nobody left

260 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:47:15am

re: #259 sattv4u2

I doubt it now

Russia wants no part of it
Non of the European nations would do it alone
China has never shown interest in something of that nature

There's really nobody left

Nature abhors a vacuum.

261 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:48:18am

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Yet there's nothing nature(al) about Afghanistan!!

262 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:49:10am

re: #261 sattv4u2

Yet there's nothing nature(al) about Afghanistan!!

I don't know.

263 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:50:02am

re: #259 sattv4u2

I doubt it now

Russia wants no part of it
Non of the European nations would do it alone
China has never shown interest in something of that nature

There's really nobody left

China likes to play everything close to its chest. It may have no short-term plans, but long-term? Who can say. Certainly it seemed like the US had no interest in Afghanistan prior to 9/11, besides the usual finger-wagging at the Taliban.

264 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:51:32am

re: #261 sattv4u2

Yet there's nothing nature(al) about Afghanistan!!

No, it is about how humans interact in a natural, pre-national state of political affairs.

265 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:51:46am

re: #263 Targetpractice

China likes to play everything close to its chest. It may have no short-term plans, but long-term? Who can say. Certainly it seemed like the US had no interest in Afghanistan prior to 9/11, besides the usual finger-wagging at the Taliban.

They (China) may pump money in if the US/ UN leaves but I doubt very much they would put boots on the ground

266 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:52:49am

re: #263 Targetpractice

I've been thinking about our previous topic of domestic violence and divorce.

The problem with the "society looks down on men that do such things" argument is that these men thrive in secrecy. Society can only look down on them if society knows. Most domestic violence situations are not known. Like alcoholism, family members collude in some twisted sense of loyalty to hide the truth from the rest of the world as well as themselves.

267 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:54:02am

re: #265 sattv4u2

They (China) may pump money in if the US/ UN leaves but I doubt very much they would put boots on the ground

There is also the chance that some power that doesn't exist or that we don't know about will take advantage of the opportunity. Humans are humans after all.

268 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:54:51am

re: #267 FemNaziBitch

There is also the chance that some power that doesn't exist or that we don't know about will take advantage of the opportunity. Humans are humans after all.

Image: Dr.-Evil.jpg

269 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:55:21am

re: #268 sattv4u2

Image: Dr.-Evil.jpg

Yep, there is someone just waiting . . . .

:0

270 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:55:22am

re: #265 sattv4u2

They (China) may pump money in if the US/ UN leaves but I doubt very much they would put boots on the ground

That's just it, a military occupation in a place like Afghanistan would be counterproductive, would actually incite animosity towards the "invaders." But funneling in all sorts of money, infrastructure, and technological know-how while providing political cover for whichever government comes to power, would be more welcome. See also: Al-Qaeda.

271 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:55:54am

re: #254 Gus

They're worried!

According to GovTrack.US, U.S. Rep. Jose’ Serrano, D-N.Y., introduced House joint resolution 15 on Jan. 4, which proposes “an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.”

From GovTrack.us:

Prognosis: 0% chance of getting past committee. 0% chance of being enacted or passed.

I'm sure it will come to no surprise to anyone that the "writer" of that article left out the "Prognosis" part of that GovTrack.us page.

"But, OBAMA!!!!"

272 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:56:15am

re: #270 Targetpractice

That's just it, a military occupation in a place like Afghanistan would be counterproductive, would actually incite animosity towards the "invaders." But funneling in all sorts of money, infrastructure, and technological know-how while providing political cover for whichever government comes to power, would be more welcome. See also: Al-Qaeda.

China seems to be very good at economic seduction.

273 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:56:53am

re: #270 Targetpractice

That's just it, a military occupation in a place like Afghanistan would be counterproductive, would actually incite animosity towards the "invaders." But funneling in all sorts of money, infrastructure, and technological know-how while providing political cover for whichever government comes to power, would be more welcome. See also: Al-Qaeda.

Yes, but that money, infrastructure, and technological know-how will be stopped at and controlled by whoever is in charge, just like now, just as in the past, never filtering to the populace

274 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:57:42am

re: #273 sattv4u2

Yes, but that money, infrastructure, and technological know-how will be stopped at and controlled by whoever is in charge, just like now, just as in the past, never filtering to the populace

That's not something unique to Afghanistan.

275 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:57:55am

re: #273 sattv4u2

Yes, but that money, infrastructure, and technological know-how will be stopped at and controlled by whoever is in charge, just like now, just as in the past, never filtering to the populace

"Boots on the ground" is so last century. There are modern ways to take-over a country.

Not that Congress has any clue about that.

276 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:58:42am

ahhhhh!

gotta go

Have a great day all!

277 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:59:27am

re: #274 Targetpractice

That's not something unique to Afghanistan.

I didn't say it was

from my #250
Same thing with North Korea

China has been propping them up for decades and it never gets to the people

278 Lidane  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:59:44am

re: #125 Kronocide

She characterized his comments as "the kind of one dimensional and paternalistic attitude that we should have gotten past decades ago."

So basically, his comments reflected the modern conservative POV.

No surprise there.

279 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:02:07am

re: #277 sattv4u2

I didn't say it was

from my #250
Same thing with North Korea

China has been propping them up for decades and it never gets to the people

True, but again, we have to think long-term. Afghanistan's well-placed to put China on the map as the world's center for energy technology in the decades ahead, sitting on a wealth of mineral resources that could go to clean energy efforts. Nothing about that says that the populace needs to be fat and happy, just educated enough to work the machines.

280 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:05:35am

re: #279 Targetpractice

True, but again, we have to think long-term. Afghanistan's well-placed to put China on the map as the world's center for energy technology in the decades ahead, sitting on a wealth of mineral resources that could go to clean energy efforts. Nothing about that says that the populace needs to be fat and happy, just educated enough to work the machines.

We seem incapable of long term thinking as a nation.

281 Lidane  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:06:22am

re: #188 darthstar

Who picks their teams by geography?

Most people. But not me. I'm a weirdo like that. ;)

I picked the Vikings the old fashioned way...because I liked their uniforms and their name...yeah, I was 10 at the time, but I picked my team and I'm sticking with it.

I chose the Packers back when I was in high school. Between the asshole owner of the Cowboys (Jerry Jones) and the asshole owner of the Oilers/Titans (Bud Adams) in the news all the time when I was a kid, I was sick and tired of all the football drama and politics. Green Bay are the only team where the city owns them. Voila! Asshole owner avoided. Plus, the fans are unfailingly loyal. I like that.

282 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:10:11am

re: #266 FemNaziBitch

I've been thinking about our previous topic of domestic violence and divorce.

The problem with the "society looks down on men that do such things" argument is that these men thrive in secrecy. Society can only look down on them if society knows. Most domestic violence situations are not known. Like alcoholism, family members collude in some twisted sense of loyalty to hide the truth from the rest of the world as well as themselves.

"society" is also highly subjective and consistent on how it views activity: we know from experience that certain groups can get away with activities that are punished when done by others.

Like those who are too big to fail...

283 Lidane  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:11:19am

re: #198 erik_t

Not to take sides here, but didn't the Vikings just start something called a Joe Webb at QB?

Watching the commentators try to stay diplomatic when talking about Webb's performance was hilarious. The looks on their faces were priceless.

284 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:12:09am

A decent but long article worth reading: The future of the GOP -- after the debacle.

.... the ideological divisions buried during the campaign have already resurfaced and must be dealt with. Realists who opposed the Iraq war will have to confront neoconservatives who think that American power can still accomplish a lot -- in Syria and elsewhere. Tea Party stalwarts will clash with hawks and interventionists over defense spending and the need for robust engagement in places like Afghanistan. McCain has said that the debate "between the isolationists and those who believe we have a role to play in the world ... will rage between now and the next elections."

I say: Let it rage on. Competition over ideas is nothing new for Republicans. In the 1970s, the neoconservatives clashed with Kissingerian realpolitik. The outcome of that fight was not fragmentation, but rather Ronald Reagan's presidency, which still serves as the right's guiding star and strategic vision for America's role in the world.
....
If the GOP is to stand for something more than lower taxes and smaller government, it must return to the moral vision of a world in which the United States helps others achieve the freedoms it holds so dear. There are some without a compass for whom America's moral purpose and strategic direction are a matter of continual course correction. But if there's no vision America stands for, then there's nothing worth fighting for. America can indeed nation-build at home -- and abandon the world it has shaped and led. It's up to Republicans to make sure that doesn't happen. Let's get to work.

285 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:12:19am

re: #281 Lidane

Most people. But not me. I'm a weirdo like that. ;)

I chose the Packers back when I was in high school. Between the asshole owner of the Cowboys (Jerry Jones) and the asshole owner of the Oilers/Titans (Bud Adams) in the news all the time when I was a kid, I was sick and tired of all the football drama and politics. Green Bay are the only team where the city owns them. Voila! Asshole owner avoided. Plus, the fans are unfailingly loyal. I like that.

I grew up with them. My earliest memory on TV is Bart Starr to Max McGee for a TD, that was probably SB 1 against KC. So, thick or thin, I've been watching them for, literally, as long as I can remember.

Lets simply say, some decades have been better than others...

286 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:12:26am

re: #279 Targetpractice

Nothing about that says that the populace needs to be fat and happy, just educated enough to work the machines.

Not even that, just not belligerent and hostile to the occupying powers.

287 Lidane  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:13:46am

re: #257 Varek Raith

They have no clue how hard it is to amend the Constitution, do they?
Morons.
This has as much chance of happening as snow surviving in hell.

Not to mention the fact that Barack Obama would probably be the first one to veto the idea of him serving more than two terms. After all the shit he's put up with from the GOP, two terms would be enough for anyone.

288 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:13:55am

re: #188 darthstar

Who picks their teams by geography? I picked the Vikings the old fashioned way...because I liked their uniforms and their name...yeah, I was 10 at the time, but I picked my team and I'm sticking with it.

I also liked the Vikings when I was about that age because I liked Fran Tarkenton, who was small and famous for scrambling a lot...

Growing up around Chicago in the late 60's and 70's, I paid almost no attention to the Bears or the Cubs.

289 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:15:41am

re: #257 Varek Raith

They have no clue how hard it is to amend the Constitution, do they?
Morons.
This has as much chance of happening as snow surviving in hell.

Not sure what Serrano's motivation is

290 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:17:58am

re: #284 Killgore Trout

The splits in the GOP are more basic than that: they are about accepting the role of science, women, gays and minorities in society.

291 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:18:40am
292 Lidane  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:18:55am

re: #289 sattv4u2

Not sure what Serrano's motivation is

Abject stupidity. That's what.

There's no reason to eliminate term limits for POTUS. The amendment is a fucking stupid idea.

293 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:20:02am

Totally classic wingnut illogic...

Homosexuality (which does not naturally exist) is a treasonous attempt to subjugate the state by reducing the population, therefore weakening the military.

I'm just surprised she didn't bring abortion into it as well given that line of "reasoning."

294 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:20:04am

re: #250 sattv4u2

Why they want to remain a failed state is beyond

A very small yet powerful contingent of people have 100% of the control of all resources/ foreign aide monies. Same thing with North Korea. The people are totally powerless

This. The situation was created by the British during the colonial period (added emphasis mine):

The Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR) comprises a set of laws of Pakistan that are applicable to the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). The law states that three basic rights are not applicable to the residents of FATA – appeal, wakeel and daleel (respectively, the Right to Appeal detention, the Right to Legal Representation, and the Right to present reasoned evidence).

The FCR has its origins in laws that were enacted by the British Raj in the Pashtun-inhabited tribal areas in the Northwest of British India. They were specifically devised to counter the opposition of the Pashtuns to British rule, and their main objective was to protect the interests of the British Empire. Over a century later, the laws continue to be applied to FATA residents by the Government of Pakistan.

I seriously doubt the Pakistani government could step in and control the area even if they had the will do to so, not only because of the huge (and porous) border with Afghanistan but also because of the mountainous terrain (not to mention tribal loyalties). Additionally, it's part of their constitution:

Under the Constitution, FATA is included among the territories of Pakistan (Article 1)....Today, FATA continues to be governed primarily through the Frontier Crimes Regulation 1901. It is administered by Governor of the KPK in his capacity as an agent to the President of Pakistan, under the overall supervision of the Ministry of States and Frontier Regions in Islamabad (Khan, 2005). [...]

Interference in local matters is kept to a minimum. The tribes regulate their own affairs in accordance with customary rules and unwritten codes, characterized by collective responsibility for the actions of individual tribe members and territorial responsibility for the area under their control. The government functions through local-level tribal intermediaries, the maliks (representatives of the tribes) and lungi holders (representatives of sub-tribes or clans), who are influential members of their respective clan or tribe (Shinwari, undated).

All civil and criminal cases in FATA are decided under the Frontier Crimes Regulation 1901 by a jirga (council of elders). Residents of the tribal areas may, however, approach the apex courts (Supreme Court of Pakistan and Peshawar High Court) with a constitutional writ challenging a decision issued under the 1901 Regulation. [...]

More at the Federally Administered Tribal Areas website...

As sattv said, the people are basically powerless, and it has long been my understanding that any actual "power" the Pakistani President might have to intervene in governance of the area is largely cosmetic. It's not a simple matter matter of, "Okay, send in the troops to clean it up." Doing so would probably result in a civil war. Then there's the situation with Kashmir in the northeast... I'm fairly certain India wouldn't be pleased if all hell broke loose in Pakistan either, esp. since they have nukes.

295 bratwurst  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:23:48am

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

There's one other point, one that I feel needed a separate post:

Scott Walker has strongly focused on those who are or can be persuaded to be voters who will cast ballots for him. Convicted felons, if their voting rights are restored, overwhelmingly vote for Democrats (John Gresham said it best, "A liberal is a conservative who's been arrested.") and thus Gov. Walker has no interest in doing things for them.

Do you suppose Haley Barbour was convinced the 8 murderers he pardoned who killed their wives or girlfriends were reliable GOP voters?

296 Lidane  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:24:41am

re: #290 Sol Berdinowitz

The splits in the GOP are more basic than that: they are about accepting the role of science, women, gays and minorities in society.

They're also about accepting every bit of social and political progress since Gutenberg invented movable type. There is a considerable part of the GOP that wants us back in the theocratic Dark Ages, and unfortunately for all of us, they make up the party base.

297 blueraven  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:27:44am

re: #284 Killgore Trout

A decent but long article worth reading: The future of the GOP -- after the debacle.

Oh great...policy proposals from AEI with such notables as John Bolton, Lynne Cheney, Paul Wofowitz and Charles Murray.
Bush redux.

298 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:28:01am

re: #292 Lidane

Abject stupidity. That's what.

There's no reason to eliminate term limits for POTUS. The amendment is a fucking stupid idea.

Not to mention that the process of amending the constitution takes multiple years even if the vast majority of Congress and state legislatures are for the idea. Obama would be long out of office before such an amendment ever passed, not that it ever could in this political climate anyway.

Still we laughed at Bachmann trying to repeal the ACA for the 33rd time, let the wingnuts have their laugh at Serrano for doing his own imitation of tilting at windmills.

299 bratwurst  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:31:09am

re: #297 blueraven

Oh great...policy proposals from AEI with such notables as John Bolton, Lynne Cheney, Paul Wofowitz and Charles Murray.
Bush redux.

Here is a quote from the story:

Sure, Romney had an impressive roster of foreign-policy advisors, but most were relegated to useless conference calls.

YES...a larger roll for John Bolton would have earned DOZENS more votes!

300 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:36:20am

re: #290 Sol Berdinowitz

The splits in the GOP are more basic than that: they are about accepting the role of science, women, gays and minorities in society.

There will probably always be a regressive element among conservatives, it's just one of the pit falls of the philosophy. Despite the overused comparisons of Republicans to the Taliban, there's no youth appeal towards conservatism in the West and these old school dinosaurs won't be around much longer.

301 blueraven  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:42:30am

re: #300 Killgore Trout

There will probably always be a regressive element among conservatives, it's just one of the pit falls of the philosophy. Despite the overused comparisons of Republicans to the Taliban, there's no youth appeal towards conservatism in the West and these old school dinosaurs won't be around much longer.

There could be an appeal for the young on conservatism, but that is not what the modern republican party is about. They do not know what conservatism is. They are radicals.

302 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:43:58am

re: #300 Killgore Trout

There will probably always be a regressive element among conservatives, it's just one of the pit falls of the philosophy. Despite the overused comparisons of Republicans to the Taliban, there's no youth appeal towards conservatism in the West and these old school dinosaurs won't be around much longer.

The scary part being that the old fogies that are dying off are being replaced with "young guns" who are even crazier than they. Men like Paul Ryan and Rand Paul are the face of the GOP's future.

303 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:47:14am

re: #299 bratwurst

Here is a quote from the story:

YES...a larger roll for John Bolton would have earned DOZENS more votes!

They can't just come out and admit that the foreign policies favored by Obama really are the same ones favored by the majority of the GOP. Oh no, they have to try to find a way to insert some daylight between themselves and Obama by claiming that it was just due to a lack of a "coherent vision" on Romney's part.

304 jaunte  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:51:31am

Causation, how does it work?

305 blueraven  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:55:34am

re: #304 jaunte

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Causation, how does it work?

Umm...what about the mass killing of Native Americans?

306 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:57:28am

re: #302 Targetpractice

The scary part being that the old fogies that are dying off are being replaced with "young guns" who are even crazier than they. Men like Paul Ryan and Rand Paul are the face of the GOP's future.

You want scary? Read The Crisis of American Conservatism: Inherent Contradictions and the End of the Road. It's a very long think tank piece about history and finding a path forward, but towards the end it talks quite a bit about race in the whole "everything is at the expense of whites" vein (emphasis mine):

There is therefore a growing consciousness among whites, especially among older ones, that Democratic programs not only benefit the poor at the expense of the middle class, but that they benefit blacks and Hispanics at the expense of whites. This consciousness is heightened by current economic realities, because government policies to bring about redistribution of monies from a stagnant or shrinking economic pie impose obvious and painful costs upon the middle class. It is also heightened by changing demographic realities, because the black and Hispanic proposition of the American population is steadily increasing, with these two groups already accounting for a majority of births in the United States each year. [...]

An obvious alternative path for the Republican Party in expanding its electoral base leads from the South to the rest of America, i.e. from the Republicans being the white party in the South to the Republicans being the white party in America as a whole. In the 2012 presidential election Romney got 60 percent of the white vote, while Obama received only 38 percent. Of course the Republican establishment knows how dangerous and destructive it would be to have an American party system defined and divided along racial lines, even if not explicitly or overtly so. However, if the Party grows more desperate to gather voters in hard times, its younger political entrepreneurs might calculate that a racial path for the Party might well be the best path to advance their own ambitions, and themselves.

That last bit sounds like the author feels that, while dangerous, a "racial path" might be a viable option. I'm in the middle of reading Blood and Politics: The History of the White Nationalist Movement from the Margins to the Mainstream, so I find that pretty chilling considering that the book (written in 2009) talks about exactly the stuff we've been seeing up through today.

307 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:57:29am

Got my unemployment debit card in the mail yesterday...Really? No more checks?

308 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:58:30am

re: #307 darthstar

Got my unemployment debit card in the mail yesterday...Really? No more checks?

What state do you live in?

309 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:58:48am

re: #308 Iwouldprefernotto

What state do you live in?

The State Of Confusion!

310 darthstar  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:00:06am

re: #308 Iwouldprefernotto

What state do you live in?

California. I actually like it, because I don't have to go to the mailbox to get my check, though I still have to mail in the form every week saying I was looking for work.

311 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:00:15am

re: #309 sattv4u2

The State Of Confusion!

Dathstar is a Republican?

312 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:00:31am

re: #302 Targetpractice

The scary part being that the old fogies that are dying off are being replaced with "young guns" who are even crazier than they. Men like Paul Ryan and Rand Paul are the face of the GOP's future.

I think that's what the Tea Party (as a popular movement) was intended to market to young voters but it flopped. It attracted no new voters in any significant numbers and youth appeal was nonexistent. As a political movement (candidates funded by superpacs) it worked out well. I don't think Rand will inherit his father's cult, it was such a fluke I don't think it can be repeated. Paul Ryan has a better chance at being the future of the party but as the Foreign Policy article points out, the single minded focus on low taxes is probably a historical dead end.

313 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:04:45am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

his father's cult

Odd conglomeration, there

Far righties who want little to no gov't and the elimination of the Fed

Far lefties who he appeals to with his isolationist stance as well as the libertarian drug views

Who says never the twain shall meet !?!?!?

314 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:06:48am

re: #307 darthstar

Got my unemployment debit card in the mail yesterday...Really? No more checks?

re: #310 darthstar

California. I actually like it, because I don't have to go to the mailbox to get my check, though I still have to mail in the form every week saying I was looking for work.

California, it's probably cool, but you might want to check with the bank the debit card is issued from or the California UIC just in case.

Some banks have been charging unemployment compensation recipients fee withdrawals when they try to withdraw money from the debit card.

From the Worcester, Mass Telegram:

Unemployed hit with fees

315 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:07:43am

re: #310 darthstar

I don't have to go to the mailbox to get my check,

How lazy ARE you !?!?!?

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316 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:08:36am

re: #306 CuriousLurker

That's actually a decent article, still reading.

However, if the Party grows more desperate to gather voters in hard times, its younger political entrepreneurs might calculate that a racial path for the Party might well be the best path to advance their own ambitions, and themselves.

I don't think that has much of a chance here in America. In Europe I think the danger is greater where these fringe nationalist parties can make some surprising gains. We had a thread here a while back about the possibility of Republicans emulating the EDL. I don't think it's something that can be successfully replicated here, just not enough youth support.

317 efuseakay  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:09:54am

re: #291 lawhawk

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McCain wouldn't last 3 days in NJ under the conditions so many there are still living in, months after the storm. There are people still without power. That. Is. A. Damn. Shame.

318 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:12:38am

re: #313 sattv4u2

his father's cult

Odd conglomeration, there

Far righties who want little to no gov't and the elimination of the Fed

Far lefties who he appeals to with his isolationist stance as well as the libertarian drug views

Who says never the twain shall meet !?!?!?

The cult of Ron Paul was really an interesting phenomenon and just about the only youth appeal the Right has been able to muster in my lifetime. I really think one of the key factors was just the counterculture coolness factor along with an occasional endorsement from a famous musician or movie star.

319 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:15:06am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

I think that's what the Tea Party (as a popular movement) was intended to market to young voters but it flopped. It attracted no new voters in any significant numbers and youth appeal was nonexistent. As a political movement (candidates funded by superpacs) it worked out well. I don't think Rand will inherit his father's cult, it was such a fluke I don't think it can be repeated. Paul Ryan has a better chance at being the future of the party but as the Foreign Policy article points out, the single minded focus on low taxes is probably a historical dead end.

I'm not sure that low taxes the the dead end you think. True, other issues can drive a party, but low taxes are something that Republicans have found a willing audience for for decades. If anything, what has been a hindrance has been the idea of the rich paying lower taxes, something that could be sold as a necessity during times of economic growth, but not so much in contraction.

320 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:16:03am

re: #318 Killgore Trout

The cult of Ron Paul was really an interesting phenomenon and just about the only youth appeal the Right has been able to muster in my lifetime. I really think one of the key factors was just the counterculture coolness factor along with an occasional endorsement from a famous musician or movie star.

So weird that he can get them from a Kelly Clarkson and (the likes of a) Lawrence Welk

again, never the twain shall meet goes out the window with him

321 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:21:57am

re: #316 Killgore Trout

That's actually a decent article, still reading.

I don't think that has much of a chance here in America. In Europe I think the danger is greater where these fringe nationalist parties can make some surprising gains. We had a thread here a while back about the possibility of Republicans emulating the EDL. I don't think it's something that can be successfully replicated here, just not enough youth support.

I hope to hell you're right, but I'm not entirely convinced it couldn't happen here, not after the ugliness I've seen over the past 4-5 years. I found the article interesting, especially the historical background, but when I got to the last section it really creeped me out.

As I mentoned, the creep factor was magnified by being in the middle of reading Blood and Politics as the guy who wrote it is not some flaky moonbat alarmist type, but someone who has been researching the far right and racist & anti-Semitic organizations for 30 years. He talks about Ron Paul and other politicians' connections to the White Nationalist movement, and today, right now, you can see exactly some of the things he warned about in 2009.

322 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:41:45am

hmm,,

Ugly Flash Mob Empties La. Mall

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]


remember when the worse we did was streak!!
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323 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:42:04am

Howdy Lizards! It's halftime and the Ravens are up 10-6 over the Colts.
I'm a mess, I probable will go hoarse in a couple hours from yelling at the TV.

324 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:44:50am

re: #323 HoosierHoops

Howdy Lizards! It's halftime and the Ravens are up 10-6 over the Colts.
I'm a mess, I probable will go hoarse in a couple hours from yelling at the TV.

why are you mad at your TV!!?!?

325 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:46:19am

re: #323 HoosierHoops

Howdy Lizards! It's halftime and the Ravens are up 10-6 over the Colts.
I'm a mess, I probable will go hoarse in a couple hours from yelling at the TV.

I know what you mean. I went through the same thing last Sunday during the Cowboys/Redskins game. My wife told me to quiet down before I wake the kids.

326 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 12:00:07pm

Wow, way to let that racist flag fly proudly!

Transcribed:

TO: ESPN Radio Management
SUBJECT: Jemele Hill

For 2 days now, I've sat here (at work) with your 'Herd' show on. -And, I wanna' puke!

Hell, I don't like women broadcasters to begin with, yet alone bitch "jungle-bunnies"... (What's she doing on the air anyway? She doesn't even like golf (and said so on the air))- that's no sports person. This "spear-chucker" needs to go away.

Get her outta there, before she back-slides into some ebonics-laden inarticulate mumbo jumbo tirade.

Short sound bites from (male) black jocks is tolerable. But, I'm NOT interested in spending all day listening to some thick-lipped gorilla, attemping to properly speak the Kings English.

You've taken P.C. to a new low.

Anonymous

Yeah, but what do you really think about her Mr. Anonymous?

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327 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 12:15:37pm

re: #326 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Wow! does it get any worse? I love Jemele. Great writer and commentator.
I've emailed her several times since she joined ESPN and she is really a funny lady and can cause you to blush and laugh at the same time. she would be a riot to date.

328 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 6, 2013 12:19:41pm

re: #327 HoosierHoops

Wow! does it get any worse? I love Jemele. Great writer and commentator.
I've emailed her several times since she joined ESPN and she is really a funny lady and can cause you to blush and laugh at the same time. she would be a riot to date.

stalker!!

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