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Eric Cantor Immediately Attacks Former Ally Chuck Hagel

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This didn’t take long; Cantor obviously had his attack ready to go: Eric Cantor: Hagel Is the Wrong Man for the Job.

“I am profoundly concerned and disappointed by President Obama’s nomination of former Senator Chuck Hagel to be Secretary of Defense. Recent reporting has made clear that Senator Hagel’s views and inflammatory statements about Israel are well outside the mainstream and raise well-founded doubts that he can be trusted to manage the special relationship the United States shares with our greatest Middle East ally.

“Senator Hagel’s incendiary views of Israel are only the tip of the iceberg. On Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran and defense spending, Hagel’s reported views call into question his judgment about the most important matters facing our national security. Taken together, Hagel’s views represent a call for a broad retreat from the preeminent role America has played, and must continue to play, in the world during a period of profound tumult and instability.

“Hagel opted for political expediency in opposing the surge in Iraq, and supported a retreat that would have ceded victory to al Qaeda and Iran. The nomination of a man known primarily for opposing sanctions and military action against Iran strongly suggests that all options are not on the table. Hagel’s nomination telegraphs weakness in the Middle East and defeatism in Afghanistan, where our Afghan partners will surely be concerned, and our Taliban and Iranian adversaries will surely be emboldened.

“There has been widespread and bipartisan opposition to this potential nomination, and the President’s willingness to move forward despite these concerns only reinforces the signal that he agrees with Hagel’s extreme positions. Senator Chuck Hagel is the wrong man for the job at such a pivotal time.”

The obvious fact is that it simply doesn’t matter who President Obama nominates for any position — the Republican Party will pitch a fit over absolutely anyone. The problem is not the nominee, it’s the black President.

UPDATE at 1/7/13 10:57:21 am

As I was saying: FLASHBACK: GOP Senators Praised Chuck Hagel’s Statesmanship, Foreign Policy Expertise.

And: FLASHBACK: Bill Kristol Wanted Chuck Hagel to Be Vice President.

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136 comments

1 darthstar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:54:36am

I hope Cantor doesn’t try to block Hagel’s approval in the house!
// Cantor = turd-eating failure.

3 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:55:03am

There’s nothing that President Obama can say or do that wouldn’t be turned by the House GOP into something that should be derided, castigated, or attacked over.

Obama could have nominated GHW Bush and been attacked for it (because Bush lied on taxes).

The criticisms are more about who is doing the nominating than the nominees themselves.

4 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:57:27am

FLASHBACK: Bill Kristol Wanted Chuck Hagel To Be Vice President

The lead-up to today’s nomination of former GOP senator from Nebraska Chuck Hagel to be the next Secretary of Defense has been marked by an aggressive smear campaign by neoconservatives determined to scuttle the bid. Among the ringleaders of this campaign has been the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol, who has deemed Hagel unfit for service at the Pentagon.

It turns out though that Kristol was less worried about Hagel’s positions when he was being considered for a much higher position than Cabinet Secretary: Vice President of the United States. Hagel was among those on the short-list to be named as Vice Presidential candidate under then-Gov. George W. Bush on the Republican ticket in 2000. At the time, Kristol was a supporter of the possibility that Hagel would be a heart-beat away from the presidency, making the rounds on several cable shows to make the case.

5 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:57:42am

Wow, Cantor is profoundly concerned and disappointed. Profoundly.

And of course the wingnut two-step on government spending: it’s way too much except for defense.

6 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:58:08am

re: #3 lawhawk

There’s nothing that President Obama can say or do that wouldn’t be turned by the House GOP into something that should be derided, castigated, or attacked over.

Obama could have nominated GHW Bush and been attacked for it (because Bush lied on taxes).

The criticisms are more about who is doing the nominating than the nominees themselves.

President Obama could’ve nominated Ronald Reagan (if he were still with us) and the GOP would still be driven into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of apoplectic rage.

7 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:58:24am
8 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:00:05am
9 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:00:22am

Lindsey Graham Lobs Disingenuous Attacks At Chuck Hagel

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday attacked former Republican senator Chuck Hagel, reportedly President Obama’s choice as the next Defense Secretary, calling him a “controversial pick” and suggesting that Hagel is out of the mainstream.

Graham’s evidence? He didn’t offer much in the way of specifics, of course. Rather, the South Carolina Republican claimed Hagel is “very antagonistic toward the state of Israel” (again, not saying how) and complained that Hagel said “you should directly negotiate with Iran” (we’re not sure why this is a bad thing. President Obama believes this as well) and that sanctions on Iran “won’t work.” Graham also cited the fact that Hagel has promoted talks with Hamas, the terrorist group that runs Gaza.

10 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:02:00am
11 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:03:12am

re: #10 FemNaziBitch

Chuck Hagel’s Biggest Problem: He’s Like President Obama

He was born in Kenya too?
//

12 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:04:01am

re: #11 rwdflynavy

He was born in Kenya too?
//

He was born a poor Black child..

13 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:04:11am

Just to think that not long ago that a guy like Hagel would be probably top consideration for this position in a Republican administration. My how the times change.

14 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:04:30am

So, shorter Cantor:

Hagel doesn’t like stupid, pointless wars, doesn’t like billions of dollars being wasted on defense contractors, couldn’t give a shit about Iran (finally, somebody else!), and wouldn’t thank Israel if Bibi himself stopped by to kick him in the balls.

PBO should’ve floated Bolton’s name just to see them squirm. “Oh my god, do we approve our fantasy SEC-DEF or do we oppose President Blackenstein!? The moral quandry is just too much for my widdle bwain to take!”

15 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:04:42am

Pre-inauguration ‘Gun Appreciation Day’ to ‘strike the fear of God’ in lawmakers

GAD, which the groups claimed was modeled on last summer’s “Chick-fil-A Day” supporting the Christian chicken restaurant’s stance against LGBT rights, aims to “send a message to Washington two days before Obama’s second inauguration.”

“The Obama administration has shown that it is more than willing to trample the Constitution to impose its dictates upon the American people,” Ward explained. “If the American people don’t fight back now, Obama will do the Second Amendment what he has already done to the First with Obamacare – gut it without a moment’s thought to our basic constitutional rights.”

Included in the coalition are organizations like the pro-Ron Paul Revolution PAC, the Second Amendment Foundation, the Social Security Institute, AmeriPAC, Political Media and the Committee to Draft Andrew Napolitano.

In an email to Glenn Beck’s The Blaze, Ward explained that it was necessary to take action against lawmakers who wanted enact new gun laws in the wake of a mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.

Ward said that Gun Appreciation Day should “strike the fear of God in the gun-grabbing politicians on both sides of the aisle when millions of Americans celebrate their Second Amendment rights in force.”

Or if not the fear of God, then the fear of crazy dumbass wingnuts with assault weapons who think they’re being attacked by their own shadows.

16 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:05:20am

From Slate:

Let’s look at the real issues. Hagel is a former two-term Republican senator. He won two Purple Hearts as an infantry squad leader in Vietnam. No one could possibly dispute his devotion to the country, its security, or its armed forces. But he is a pragmatist, and there may be the rub. What Republicans seem to fear most is that by appointing Hagel as secretary of defense, Obama can claim a false bipartisanship in his national-security team. In fact, these critics say Hagel does not reflect the values or positions of the Republican Party; his presence in Cabinet meetings would not constitute real bipartisanship.

OMG! LBJ was a Pragmatist.

Therefore, it must be a bad thing.

//

17 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:05:29am

re: #12 Decatur Deb

He was born a poor Black child..

Huh? I am *not* a bum. I’m a jerk. I once had wealth, power, and the love of a beautiful woman. Now I only have two things: my friends, and… uh… my thermos. Huh? My story? Okay. It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin’ on the porch with my family, singin’ and dancin’ down in Mississippi…

18 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:05:30am

re: #9 Kragar

Lindsey Graham Lobs Disingenuous Attacks At Chuck Hagel

That sound you hear is the fearLindsay Graham has about being primaried. What a spineless wimp.

19 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:06:27am

re: #17 rwdflynavy

Huh? I am *not* a bum. I’m a jerk. I once had wealth, power, and the love of a beautiful woman. Now I only have two things: my friends, and… uh… my thermos. Huh? My story? Okay. It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin’ on the porch with my family, singin’ and dancin’ down in Mississippi…

Yes, I too, am old enough to remember that …

20 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:06:41am

re: #19 FemNaziBitch

Yes, I too, am old enough to remember that …

Navin R. Johnson: The new phone book’s here! The new phone book’s here!
Harry Hartounian: Boy, I wish I could get that excited about nothing.
Navin R. Johnson: Nothing? Are you kidding? Page 73 - Johnson, Navin R.! I’m somebody now! Millions of people look at this book everyday! This is the kind of spontaneous publicity - your name in print - that makes people. I’m in print! Things are going to start happening to me now.
[the Sniper points to Navin’s name in the phone book]
Sniper: Johnson, Navin R… sounds like a typical bastard.

21 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:06:44am

re: #15 Kragar

Pre-inauguration ‘Gun Appreciation Day’ to ‘strike the fear of God’ in lawmakers

Or if not the fear of God, then the fear of crazy dumbass wingnuts with assault weapons who think they’re being attacked by their own shadows.

Wait…Obamacare shredded the 1st amendment? Man, it’s hard to keep up.

22 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:08:09am

re: #21 Ghost of Tom Joad

Wait…Obamacare shredded the 1st amendment? Man, it’s hard to keep up.

Being forced not to force your religious beliefs onto other people is the worst kind of oppression.

23 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:09:06am

re: #16 FemNaziBitch

“Hagel is a former two-term Republican senator. He won two Purple Hearts as an infantry squad leader in Vietnam.

Time to get out the purple Band-Aids again.

24 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:09:21am

re: #22 Kragar

Being forced not to force your religious beliefs onto other people is the worst kind of oppression.

It’s your duty to spread the Good News!!!!!!!

*spit*

25 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:09:51am

re: #23 Decatur Deb

“Hagel is a former two-term Republican senator. He won two Purple Hearts as an infantry squad leader in Vietnam.

Time to get out the purple Band-Aids again.

No worries, the target of said band-aids is the State Department moninee.

26 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:09:54am

The right wing blogs are calling Hagel a “Hamas supporter.”

27 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:10:30am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

The right wing blogs are calling Hagel a “Hamas supporter.”

Fuckers.

28 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:11:22am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

The right wing blogs are calling Hagel a “Hamas supporter.”

Well, that’s as valid a claim as saying the president is a Muslim from Kenya.
/

29 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:12:24am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

The right wing blogs are calling Hagel a “Hamas supporter.”

Damn, I thought the whole “you don’t hate Hamas enough you anti-Semite” was just a stupid internet meme.

30 blueraven  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:13:31am

The real reason Republicans are so against him, other than the fact that he is an Obama nominee is defense cuts.

The Pentagon has said they can handle cuts in many programs yet the senate keeps appropriating funds for bloated defense contracts.

Its the defense lobby.

31 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:13:58am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

The right wing blogs are calling Hagel a “Hamas supporter.”

Because he spoke of negotiating with Hamas? Peres supports negotiating with Hamas. Technically, Netanyahu is open to negotiations.

32 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:14:34am

Since when does a Secretary of Defense negotiate with any nation?

33 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:15:25am

re: #32 Gus

Since when does a Secretary of Defense negotiate with any nation?

SINCE CHUCK HAGEL THAT’S WHEN.

///

34 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:15:26am

And the right wing blogs are calling John Brennan a “jihad supporter.”

35 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:15:54am

re: #31 Gus

Because he spoke of negotiating with Hamas? Peres supports negotiating with Hamas. Technically, Netanyahu is open to negotiations.

Right wing nuts who think they speak for Israel even though if they actually saw what Israel does, they’d flip their shit.

36 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:16:46am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

And the right wing blogs are calling John Brennan a “jihad supporter.”

Yeah because there are so many jihad supporters within the US government.

37 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:17:00am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

And the right wing blogs are calling John Brennan a “jihad supporter.”

Meanwhile, Code Pink is protesting against Brennan too.

He’s a unifier, not a divider! :-P

38 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:17:21am

The main reason Hagel is being attacked is because people are afraid he has the integrity to actually reform the contracting processes in the DoD.

I’m worried he doesn’t actually have the integrity to do that, that he’s too bound to the military-industrial complex, but he’s certainly fought them on some issues before so that’d be nice.

That, and veteran’s reform, I think Hagel would be excellent on.

Those opposing him (most of whom used to support him) have a couple of statements from him, not policies, but remarks, both of which are distasteful but have very little to do with anything Hagel would be actually doing.

39 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:17:32am

Fox News guest likens Democrats to the Third Reich over assault weapons ban

A former Marine says that an Democrats are like murderous dictator Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich because they are pushing to ban assault weapons in the wake of the recent slaughter of 20 elementary school students with a Bushmaster AR-15 in Connecticut.

In a letter to Sen. Diane Feinstein last year, retired Corporal Joshua Boston vowed not to register his AR-15 assault rifle because “I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.”

Okay, no one “retires” as a Corporal from the USMC. And if we’re talking about the opinion of veterans and their rank, therefore I outrank this little turd and my opinion takes precedence and I think he’s completely full of shit.

40 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:17:45am

re: #37 Lidane

Meanwhile, Code Pink is protesting against Brennan too.

He’s a unifier, not a divider! :-P

I have to concede to be being intrigued by people who provoke the raft of the nuts on both sides.

41 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:17:46am
the Committee to Draft Andrew Napolitano.

Oh no, not the People’s Front to draft Andrew Napolitano. I hate the Andrew Napolitano People’s Front.

42 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:17:55am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

And the right wing blogs are calling John Brennan a “jihad supporter.”

43 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:17:58am

re: #30 blueraven

They’re going to oppose anyone named to the position that would cut spending, particularly on long range programs that are bloated and overbudget - such as the F-22 and F-35 fighters and M1 tank upgrades that even the Army says aren’t warranted.

44 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:18:37am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I have to concede to be being intrigued by people who provoke the raft of the nuts on both sides.

45 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:18:53am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Yeah because there are so many jihad supporters within the US government.

“Jihad supporter” is the new “Commie.” Same shit, different decade.

46 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:19:47am

Seriously, the committee to draft Napolitano is almost as rough as the Van Buren Boys. And you all remember how rough they are.

47 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:20:13am
48 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:20:21am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

And the right wing blogs are calling John Brennan a “jihad supporter.”

Right, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly scoffs at that.

At least one official outside Washington was singing Brennan’s praises Monday.

“None is more qualified, dedicated, or experienced,” New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said in a statement. “He understands fully that New York City remains in the crosshairs of terrorists overseas, and he is committed to undermining them there before they have an opportunity to strike here.”

49 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:20:35am

re: #45 Ghost of Tom Joad

“Jihad supporter” is the new “Commie.” Same shit, different decade.

Yep. More things change, the more they stay the same. What will the nexdt one be I wonder.

50 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:21:09am

re: #48 lawhawk

Right, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly scoffs at that.

What does Ray Kelly know? //

51 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:24:21am
52 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:24:24am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

The right wing blogs are calling Hagel a “Hamas supporter.”

It’s always a zero-sum game with the Whackos™ isn’t it?

53 TDG2112  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:24:51am

Mark Shields on Hagel:

“It is always dangerous to be right on matters the established authorities are wrong”

In regards to the Nuclear capabilities of Iraq during the run up to war.

at about 1:25 or so. So just watch the whole thing.

54 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:26:24am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Yep. More things change, the more they stay the same. What will the nexdt one be I wonder.

All depends where the U.S. sticks its nose where it doesn’t belong again. We’ve already prodded Europe, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Russia…I’m guessing something South-American. Venezuela possibly. It’ll frighten a lot of people because they’ll immediately equate them with the Guatemalans that mow their lawn.

I love you, America.

55 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:27:11am

re: #39 Kragar

Fox News guest likens Democrats to the Third Reich over assault weapons ban

Okay, no one “retires” as a Corporal from the USMC. And if we’re talking about the opinion of veterans and their rank, therefore I outrank this little turd and my opinion takes precedence and I think he’s completely full of shit.

They always go Godwin. Forgetting that to the younger (than me) voters Communism and all that was nearly 100 years ago.

The world has moved on to more and more atrocius ways of oppressing people.
Mostly, in the name of G-d. Well, maybe mot moving on so much as recycling old ways in a new rhetoric.

56 Mattand  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:29:13am

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

The world has moved on to more and more atrocius ways of oppressing people.
Mostly, in the name of G-d. Well, maybe mot moving on so much as recycling old ways in a new rhetoric.

Slightly OT: what’s with spelling “God” as “G-d”? I’ve seen it before and always wondered about it. Is that a religious thing?

57 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:30:01am

re: #56 Mattand

Slightly OT: what’s with spelling “God” as “G-d”? I’ve seen it before and always wondered about it. Is that a religious thing?

At some point in the LGF past it was used out of respect for the Jewish Lizards. I made it such a habit, I rarely think about it.

58 Mattand  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:32:51am

re: #57 FemNaziBitch

At some point in the LGF past it was used out of respect for the Jewish Lizards. I made it such a habit, I rarely think about it.

I see. I’m guessing it’s along the lines you’re not supposed say or spell God’s name, depending on how orthodox you are?

59 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:33:57am

re: #57 FemNaziBitch

At some point in the LGF past it was used out of respect for the Jewish Lizards. I made it such a habit, I rarely think about it.

I think it’s a Jewish thing I believe. Not sure tho.

60 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:34:32am

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

They always go G-dwin. Forgetting that to the younger (than me) voters Communism and all that was nearly 100 years ago.

The world has moved on to more and more atrocius ways of oppressing people.
Mostly, in the name of G-d. Well, maybe mot moving on so much as recycling old ways in a new rhetoric.

FTFY //

61 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:34:34am

re: #56 Mattand

In Judaism, it’s a sign of respect and not to ascribe G-d’s name to something that could later become defaced, damaged, or destroyed. Abbreviations are acceptable.

62 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:34:40am

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

They always go Godwin. Forgetting that to the younger (than me) voters Communism and all that was nearly 100 years ago.

The world has moved on to more and more atrocius ways of oppressing people.
Mostly, in the name of G-d. Well, maybe mot moving on so much as recycling old ways in a new rhetoric.

What makes this particular Godwin fucked up is that the senator in question is both Jewish and old enough to remember the Nazis.

63 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:34:54am

re: #57 FemNaziBitch

At some point in the LGF past it was used out of respect for the Jewish Lizards. I made it such a habit, I rarely think about it.

Strictly speaking, it’s more of a habit than a religious requirement.

I scan a lot of historical documents on my website, and the old practice was to write out the word God in full. So while I am scanning and digitizing these documents it occurred to me that replacing G-D everytime the full word was spelled out seemed more of a desecration than leaving it in place.

64 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:36:49am
65 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:38:02am

re: #64 wrenchwench

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Sick burn.

66 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:38:21am

re: #64 wrenchwench

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They tried twice, maybe we should give them a third chance to choose a nominee who the American people actually want to lead them.// Seriously, fucking Congressional Republicans act oblivious to the fact that Obama you know won.

67 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:38:43am
68 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:39:08am

re: #64 wrenchwench

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Mr. Smith should familiarize himself with the term Advice and Consent

69 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:40:17am

Rand Paul in Israel: US foreign aid can’t be one-way
By HERB KEINON
01/07/2013 11:30
Republican Senator tells Israeli audience it will be harder to be a friend to Israel if the US is “out of money.”

70 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:41:08am

re: #68 sattv4u2

Mr. Smith should familiarize himself with the term Advise and Consent

You too. There is supposed to be some deference to the president’s wishes if the nominee is qualified. The idea of deference to Obama makes some Republicans ill.

71 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:42:24am

re: #67 Gus

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Derp!

72 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:44:20am

re: #69 Gus

Rand Paul in Israel: US foreign aid can’t be one-way
By HERB KEINON
01/07/2013 11:30
Republican Senator tells Israeli audience it will be harder to be a friend to Israel if the US is “out of money.”

So where is all the right wing blogsphere outrage at Rand Paul? Oh wait, squirrel.

73 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:44:46am

Richard M. Nixon. The so called anti-Semite that collected lists of Jews in the Labor Department…

Then came the Yom Kippur War.

74 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:45:09am

Egypt says foiled car bombing near Gaza border

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Egyptian intelligence received word that militants were preparing a car bomb attack meant to target a military base in a deserted part of Rafah, which borders Gaza.

The attack was supposed to be in retaliation for the Egyptian military’s announcement that it will increase it counterterrorism efforts.

75 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:45:47am

re: #73 Gus

Richard M. Nixon. The so called anti-Semite that collected lists of Jews in the Labor Department…

Then came the Yom Kippur War.

Don’t forget Pat Robertson saying that Ariel Sharon’s stroke was God’s will or some sick morbid crap like that.

76 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:46:05am

re: #68 sattv4u2

Mr. Smith should familiarize himself with the term Advise and Consent

Here’s his previous tweet:

Looks like he’s familiar with the process.

77 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:46:12am

re: #70 wrenchwench

You too. There is supposed to be some deference to the president’s wishes if the nominee is qualified. The idea of deference to Obama makes some Republicans ill.

never said there wasn’t. But Mr Smiths statement indicates that the elected Pres just gets to pick, end of story

78 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:46:19am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Derp!

re: #72 HappyWarrior

So where is all the right wing blogsphere outrage at Rand Paul? Oh wait, squirrel.

Noun, verb, Obama. Or in this case it’s probably more “noun, adjective, Obama.”

79 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:46:45am

re: #76 wrenchwench

Here’s his previous tweet:

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Looks like he’s familiar with the process.

Good for him. I was just going by the other (1st) one you posted

80 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:46:58am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Don’t forget Pat Robertson saying that Ariel Sharon’s stroke was God’s will or some sick morbid crap like that.

Everything that happens in the whole wide world is G-D’s will, Obama winning the election was G-D’s will.

81 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:48:44am

re: #79 sattv4u2

Good for him. I was just going by the other (1st) one you posted

You made a bad assumption. You assumed he was not familiar with the process. He is an educated man.

Education

University of Pennsylvania
King’s College London, U. of London
Shaker Heights High School

82 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:48:53am

re: #80 Vicious Babushka

Everything that happens in the whole wide world is G-D’s will, Obama winning the election was G-D’s will.

Ah it wasn’t God’s Will, I was mistaken. The dickhead said it was God’s wrath.

83 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:49:39am

It’s really rather humorous to watch the GOP infighting.

Do they not realize how it makes the party look to the voters?

What kind of political strategy is this?

84 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:50:32am

re: #81 wrenchwench

You made a bad assumption. You assumed he was not familiar with the process. He is an educated man.

There are many “educated (wo)men” that don’t know about many things. Again, I was going by your 1st post of his. Perhaps you should have offered the 2nd one 1st!

85 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:50:46am

re: #83 FemNaziBitch

What kind of political strategy is this?

The kind that appeals to the idiots and mouth-breathers in the GOP base.

86 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:51:10am

Just when I thought I’d seen it all from Fox I come across this piece outright stating America is headed for another civil war.

www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/03/were-now-one-step-closer-to-america-coming-civil-war/

87 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:51:34am

re: #85 Lidane

The kind that appeals to the idiots and mouth-breathers in the GOP base.

It’s like a Monty Python skit.

88 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:51:38am

re: #83 FemNaziBitch

It’s really rather humorous to watch the GOP infighting.

Do they not realize how it makes the party look to the voters?

What kind of political strategy is this?

Wait. I thought they were all in lock step with each other

89 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:51:39am

re: #84 sattv4u2

There are many “educated (wo)men” that don’t know about many things. Again, I was going by your 1st post of his. Perhaps you should have offered the 2nd one 1st!

Perhaps. Or you could stick to denigrating people you know something about.

90 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:51:49am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Point!

91 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:52:13am

re: #83 FemNaziBitch

It’s really rather humorous to watch the GOP infighting.

Do they not realize how it makes the party look to the voters?

What kind of political strategy is this?

Who run Bartertown?

92 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:52:36am

re: #86 dragonfire1981

Just when I thought I’d seen it all from Fox I come across this piece outright stating America is headed for another civil war.

www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/03/were-now-one-step-closer-to-america-coming-civil-war/

I’ve been hearing that for a few years now from the Right-Wing Whackos™.

What they seem to be missing is that it’s already happened, without 19th century battlefields.

As usual, they are WAYYYY behind on reality.

93 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:53:21am

re: #89 wrenchwench

Perhaps. Or you could stick to denigrating people you know something about.

That I stated someone should familiarize themselves with the system is “denigrating” them based on the info at hand

Mmmkaayyy

94 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:53:37am

re: #91 Kragar

Who run Bartertown?

masterbater?

95 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:54:11am

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

masterbater?

going fishing, are you?

96 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:55:02am

re: #95 sattv4u2

going fishing, are you?

You know who!

97 Skip Intro  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:55:03am

What “incendiary” views on Israel is he talking about? That there’s a powerful Israeli Lobby in Washington? This is news?

98 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:55:56am

re: #93 sattv4u2

That I stated someone should familiarize themselves with the system is “denigrating” them based on the info at hand

Mmmkaayyy

What do you call it? Harmless snark? Noise? Is what I post in a comment the only ‘info at hand’ that you have?

99 bratwurst  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:56:52am

re: #88 sattv4u2

Wait. I thought they were all in lock step with each other

All kinds of discussions around here in the last several days about the internecine GOP struggle, including well-known pundits calling for the party to splinter…for the first time EVER you are invoking a strawman!

100 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:57:20am

I’d be honored to have Chuck with me in any capacity. He’d make a great secretary of state.”
— John McCain

101 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:57:46am

This is funny…

Agnostics and bayonets.

102 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:58:26am

Hagel is “an indispensable member of the Republican team.”
—Mitch McConnell

103 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:58:52am

re: #101 Gus

This is funny…

[Embedded content]

Agnostics and bayonets.

Intolerant agnosticism? Really people like me saying “I don’t know” is that big of a threat to them? No wonder why I gave up on organized religion. If you’re threatened by me saying I don’t know and think that’s intolerant. You have issues.

104 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:58:59am

re: #101 Gus

This is funny…

[Embedded content]

Agnostics and bayonets.

code for: you won’t be auditing our finances anytime soon if we can continue to get away with it.

105 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:59:10am

re: #102 jaunte

Hagel is “an indispensable member of the Republican team.”
—Mitch McConnell

But he said that before he was part of Obama’s team so.

106 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:59:57am

I’ve made a decision.

Based on keen observation and unwavering logic.

“Political Drama is the Soma Tablet of the United States.”

107 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:00:26pm
108 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:00:29pm
Hagel’s views on the Iraq war “have not diminished his effectiveness,” McConnell said, and may, in fact, increase his effectiveness over time.
[Link: journalstar.com…]

“But not if he works with Obama.”

109 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:02:55pm

re: #98 wrenchwench

What do you call it? Harmless snark? Noise? Is what I post in a comment the only ‘info at hand’ that you have?

“We’ comment all day, every day about comments people (both here and linked too) make without knowing the full content or their entire resume or the context

has that changed ?

110 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:03:07pm

re: #107 Gus

[Embedded content]

Kajing!

111 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:03:41pm

re: #109 sattv4u2

“We’ comment all day, every day about comments people (both here and linked too) make without knowing the full content or their entire resume or the context

has that changed ?

I’ll take that as ‘noise’.

112 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:04:27pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

But he said that before he was part of Obama’s team so.

He’ll probably say (and vote) for Hagel in the end

It’s other repubs that are saying they have questions. concerns. Has Cantor previously backed him for something? (not that it matters, as cantor has no vote)

113 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:04:56pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

I’ll take that as ‘noise’.

see , thats EXACTLY how I took Mr Smiths comment!!!
:)

114 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:05:28pm

Obviously a fuzzy minded one-worlder.

Hagel, a member of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, is an ardent internationalist—“All of us are touched by every event that unfolds in every corner of the world,” he often says. An advocate for a strong military, he also believes that military force should be the last tool of statecraft.
[Link: www.newyorker.com…]

115 efuseakay  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:05:48pm

Who cares what the fuck he said about Israel. (What he said it true but that’s not the point). He’s going to be SecDef of The United States, not Israel.

Cantor can can go waterboard himself.

116 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:05:54pm

re: #86 dragonfire1981

Just when I thought I’d seen it all from Fox I come across this piece outright stating America is headed for another civil war.

www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/03/were-now-one-step-closer-to-america-coming-civil-war/

ONE STEP CLOSER!!!

Assuming that at some point in the future there will assuredly be another civil war, even if it’s 15,000 years from now every single day is by definition one step closer!!!111

Obliquely related:

The first episode of Star Trek aired closer in time to the ratification of the 19th Amendment than to today.

117 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:05:58pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

He’ll probably say (and vote) for Hagel in the end

It’s other repubs that are saying they have questions. concerns. Has Cantor previously backed him for something? (not that it matters, as cantor has no vote)

McConnell? I wouldn’t be so sure that he votes for Hagel in the end. Cantor? I don’t know and it ultimately doesn’t matter as he has no vote but McConnell’s and McCain’s and Graham’s past words do matter for something though I hink those two are more likely to vote for him in the end than McCOnnell.

118 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:06:13pm
119 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:08:56pm

re: #97 Skip Intro

What “incendiary” views on Israel is he talking about? That there’s a powerful Israeli Lobby in Washington? This is news?

Quiet, Hamas supporter! //

120 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:09:47pm

Seriously though. How the fuck does Chuck Hagel become too controversial for the GOP? Who do they have in mind that’s better? I’d bet you good money that they’d find some fault with anyone Obama picked because it’s Obama.

121 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:10:35pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Seriously though. How the fuck does Chuck Hagel become too controversial for the GOP? Who do they have in mind that’s better? I’d bet you good money that they’d find some fault with anyone Obama picked because it’s Obama.

Don’t look for logic.

You won’t find it and the search may damage your brain.

122 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:10:57pm

And I love the fauxrage at the anti-gay comments he made about Hormel when pretty much every GOP Senate member pulled the same shit in 1998. Not that it excuses what Hagel did but Hagel unlike Jesse Helms at least apologized and admitted he was wrong for how he treated Mr. Hormel.

123 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:11:14pm

re: #121 FemNaziBitch

Don’t look for logic.

You won’t find it and the search may damage your brain.

I’ll shoot my brain out :D.

124 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:13:32pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Seriously though. How the fuck does Chuck Hagel become too controversial for the GOP? Who do they have in mind that’s better? I’d bet you good money that they’d find some fault with anyone Obama picked because it’s Obama.

They want General Buck Turgidson.

125 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:14:23pm

re: #124 Ghost of Tom Joad

They want General Buck Turgidson.

Buck once got scolded for fighting in the war room. Immediate disqualification! /

126 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:15:14pm

I still haven’t seen Dr. Strangelove. I know.

127 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:15:16pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

McConnell? I wouldn’t be so sure that he votes for Hagel in the end. Cantor? I don’t know and it ultimately doesn’t matter as he has no vote but McConnell’s and McCain’s and Graham’s past words do matter for something though I hink those two are more likely to vote for him in the end than McCOnnell.

Hagel will be voted in. There will be a handful of dissenting votes, and some perhaps even coming from the Dems who have questions about him according to Jonathan Karl of ABC

128 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:18:20pm

re: #127 sattv4u2

Hagel will be voted in. There will be a handful of dissenting votes, and some perhaps even coming from the Dems who have questions about him according to Jonathan Karl of ABC

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I just said I wasn’t certain that McConnell would vote for Hagel. Sotomayor and Kagan were much more sure things than him and I’m almost positive that he didn’t vote for their confirmation. So why would I expect him to vote for Hagel who’s gotten a lot of controversy already?

129 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:21:56pm

Hagel I think will ultimately be confirmed. Hard pressed to think about a cabinet member who wasn’t confirmed with his party having a majority in the Senate in recent memory who wasn’t incredibly controversial. If Ashcroft could get through, I think Hagel will and Ashcroft I think was a far more controversial pick than Hagel is for the positions they were picked for.

130 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:25:24pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

I just said I wasn’t certain that McConnell would vote for Hagel. Sotomayor and Kagan were much more sure things than either and I’m almost positive that he didn’t vote for their confirmation. So why would I expect him to vote for Hagel who’s gotten a lot of controversy already?

I never said he would, only that Hagel will get the votes needed

131 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 12:26:47pm

re: #130 sattv4u2

I never said he would, only that Hagel will get the votes needed

No disagreement there then. Carry on.

132 sffilk  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 1:00:04pm

Cantor should talk. If it weren’t for the irreligious wrong, the Republicrats wouldn’t support Israel either. And he’s Jewish!

133 biorabbi  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 1:11:14pm

In my view which is obvious a distinct minority viewpoint, his(Hagel’s) statement about the Armenians was hideous. But at least he said it to their face.

Second point I would make here is while Hagel apologized to Hormel, he did it a week or so ago. His sincerity might be likened to Bush Sr. finding his religion on abortion when running for President(or Romney for that matter).

Third point. A broken clock is right once in a while. The fact Obama nominated Hagel and that Eric Cantor opposes it does not make Hagel the best pick that could have been made. I’m very troubled by his use of the term Jewish Lobby and the whole in your face… I’m not a senator from Israel thing because it seems to me that he is singling out Israel for special treatment as opposed to our other allies. I also think it taps into deeply held anti-semitic sentiment regarding Israel. But there is a distinction between tapping into anti-semitic sentiments and being an anti-semite… which Hagel is not.

This does not mean he isn’t qualified for the post. Hagel clearly is. But it is also not outrageous to ask him about ALL of these issues. One does not need to be Jewish, gay, or Armenian to simply ask his opinion and his past statements.

134 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 1:12:42pm

re: #133 biorabbi

It’d be good to confine questions relevant to his role as Secretary of Defense, though.

135 biorabbi  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 1:15:28pm

I do wish President Obama has nominated someone other than Hagel for defense. But Obama’s key consideration had nothing to do with gays, Israel or a previous statement considering genocide in Armenia. They key issue is Hagel is a military hero, an unlisted guy too. Second, and most important, Hagel will preside over a series of budget cuts to reduce defense spending. So, with his anti-interventionalist ethos, Hagel is perfect.

136 biorabbi  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 1:36:36pm

re: #134 Obdicut

Agreed. Completely.


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