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Video: A Tribute to Huell Howser and California’s Gold

Now that’s an avocado-eatin’ dog
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I just posted an open thread a few days ago and mentioned Huell Howser, so the news of his death today was kind of a shock. He left a legacy of truly unique work, with a special ability to let all sorts of people tell their own stories in their own ways, without artifice, straight from the heart, loving every minute of it. You couldn’t be cranky while Huell Howser’s show was on.

He’ll be missed.

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462 comments

1 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 6:32:33pm

I tried to view the view the video, but Chrome said it was malware.

Video of Real LIVE Kraken linked in the article.

2 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 6:33:15pm

THANK YOU!

3 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 6:38:05pm

I apologize, I meant no disrespect to Mr. Howser. I got a bit excited about the Kraken video. My bad.

4 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 6:43:11pm

Many evenings, many. Nothing on TV but California Gold, oh so worth it.

5 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 6:46:56pm

Huell got to swim in the pool at the Hearst Castle.
He was SO “just fell off the turnip truck” but his boundless enthusiasm was a joy. He will be missed!

7 JAFO  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 6:52:10pm

That brings back memories of laying on the couch on a weekend afternoon and watching California’s Gold. He went to some of the most obscure places in the state. I’ve only explored a few places I saw on his show, there were many more that I want to see.

8 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 6:55:58pm

re: #4 Stanghazi

Many evenings, many. Nothing on TV but California Gold, oh so worth it.

So far the National Championship game is a let down. They generally are..
Can’t wait till the BCS play-offs start..Isn’t it 2014?

9 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 6:57:27pm

re: #8 HoosierHoops

So far the National Championship game is a let down. They generally are..
Can’t wait till the BCS play-offs start..Isn’t it 2004?

2014 you mean? I hope so. Geeze, this ending is horrible.

Sabin=the devil

in my mind.

Damn you Domers.

10 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 6:58:10pm

re: #8 HoosierHoops

So far the National Championship game is a let down. They generally are..
Can’t wait till the BCS play-offs start..Isn’t it 2004?

This game looks great in 3D. I hope ND makes a game out of it in the second half.

11 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 6:59:22pm

re: #9 Stanghazi

2014 you mean? I hope so. Geeze, this ending is horrible.

Sabin=the devil

in my mind.

Damn you Domers.

yup.. I fixed it.. Have you seen Hunger games yet?

12 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:00:12pm

re: #11 HoosierHoops

yup.. I fixed it.. Have you seen Hunger games yet?

No, what happens?

13 Political Atheist  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:00:51pm

You know what I think was great about Huell and his show? He could make each and every one of those places look and sound just great. Two old timers at a shack near a gold mine that closed decades ago suddenly looked like a place well worth visiting. He found the beauty, the interesting everywhere he went. California just lost it’s kindest advocate.

How many media people can even come close to that?

14 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:00:59pm

Dim Bulbs Unite.

15 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:03:23pm

Reading the article from the last thread about Notre Dame.

Why isn’t the DOJ on them like a sledge-hammer? Pressure from the Vatican or something?

16 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:03:42pm

All I know is that a beautiful chicken breast is a-cooking. In a citrus olive oil I got as a gift. The aroma, aaaaah.

17 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:03:52pm

re: #12 Stanghazi

No, what happens?

See it for yourself. Just about every critic from Rodger Ebert to Ross Douthat loved it.

18 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:04:02pm

re: #14 jaunte

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Dim Bulbs Unite.

Make sure they sign the petition there so that Obama and the FBI know who to collect and FEMA knows how many trailers to put in the camp.
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19 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:04:05pm

re: #14 jaunte

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Dim Bulbs Unite.

Texan independence? Sure, okay, we’ll be sending a bill for their portion of the national debt, followed by one for all the federal land they’re seizing, and a list of all federal property (foremost military hardware) that they will surrendering to us.

20 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:04:31pm

re: #15 ProBosniaLiberal

Reading the article from the last thread about Notre Dame.

Why isn’t the DOJ on them like a sledge-hammer? Pressure from the Vatican or something?

Can you post the link, please?

21 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:06:04pm

re: #14 jaunte

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Dim Bulbs Unite.

22 dragonath  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:06:14pm

North Korea Enlists German Help to Prepare Economic Opening

According to an article to be published on Saturday by the daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, the communist regime in Pyongyang is preparing to open up the country’s economy to foreign investors. Moreover, it has enlisted the assistance of German economists and lawyers to lay the groundwork for the move.

This is interesting, especially on the heels of Google’s visit.

23 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:07:01pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

Here it is.

re: #344 Interesting Times

I take it that means they’re losing? After reading this, I rather want them to.

24 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:07:20pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

I think those idiots are forgetting about all the aerospace contracts with the USDoD.

25 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:10:39pm

re: #18 Feline Fearless Leader

Make sure they sign the petition there so that Obama and the FBI know who to collect and FEMA knows how many trailers to put in the camp.
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If Obama has any sense of humor, there’ll be an unarmed Predator circling all day.

26 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:12:03pm

re: #12 Stanghazi

No, what happens?

I was completely surprised. I slotted into my top 5 movies for 2012 for entertainment and fun and thrills. It was good for a teen movie.
Now..I thought there were many issues with the ridiculous plots lines and some acting issues and the dumb premises…
It was like watching the Truman Show, American Idol, The Gladiator and Romero & Juliet all wrapped into one.. I’d bet teens loved this movie.

27 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:12:20pm

re: #23 ProBosniaLiberal

Here it is.

Rape cannot be tolerated in a just society, but too many universities have made it all about the money.

A part of me would like to just suspend football in America for next year. I know it can’t be done, but right now the problems with concussions and sexual assault have left the game pretty badly tainted.

28 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:13:19pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

If Obama has any sense of humor, there’ll be an unarmed Predator circling all day.

Hopefully leaving lots and lots of this in its wake.

29 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:13:23pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

The Catholic Church is going down a bad road. They are treating Women poorly at best, and seem to be trying to return things to the state of the Victorian Era.

There used to be a progressive element in the Church.

Then you had idiotic Popes like Paul VI, and evil creatures like Benedict XVI. That has wiped it out, turning it into a reactionary husk.

If only Pope John XXIII had lived another few years.

30 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:13:54pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

Never liked Football to begin with.

31 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:17:17pm

re: #26 HoosierHoops

I was completely surprised. I slotted into my top 5 movies for 2012 for entertainment and fun and thrills. It was good for a teen movie.
Now..I thought there were many issues with the ridiculous plots lines and some acting issues and the dumb premises…
It was like watching the Truman Show, American Idol, The Gladiator and Romero & Juliet all wrapped into one.. I’d bet teens loved this movie.

Still, it was adapted well, and the need to change out of the book’s first person perspective was put to decent use, with Donald Sutherland’s good performance as President Snow. Sutherland, interestingly, is the only actor from the movie who used one of his promo interviews to compare the trilogy’s heroine Katniss Aberdeen (played by Jennifer Lawrence) to ancient gladiator turned revolt leader Spartacus. Of course, Kirk Douglas is a long-time personal friend of Donald Sutherland, so their is that.

32 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:19:47pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

A part of me would like to just suspend football in America for next year.

Never happen. Way too much money involved.

33 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:21:12pm

re: #29 ProBosniaLiberal

The Catholic Church is going down a bad road. They are treating Women poorly at best, and seem to be trying to return things to the state of the Victorian Era.

There used to be a progressive element in the Church.

Then you had idiotic Popes like Paul VI, and evil creatures like Benedict XVI. That has wiped it out, turning it into a reactionary husk.

If only Pope John XXIII had lived another few years.

The progressives took the wrong path though, with too many of them becoming too friendly with Communism during the 1970’s and 1980’s. They not only went against their superiors, but they also backed the losing side in the Cold War. As a result too many of the Catholic ‘further left’ ended up in a very weak position. The right side of the Catholic spectrum also got a lot better organized and both Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI have given the Catholic right strong support.

34 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:21:54pm

re: #32 NJDhockeyfan

Never happen. Way too much money involved.

I know. But are you glad your cheered-for Devils are going to have a season after all?

35 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:23:28pm


That purple spot in the middle is 129°F.

36 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:24:36pm

re: #35 jaunte

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That purple spot in the middle is 129°F.

Holy shit.

37 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:24:51pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

I know. But are you glad your cheered-for Devils are going to have a season after all?

I’m torn between watching them or staying away from any game this year. I’m pissed off at the NHL over all the bullshit.

38 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:26:43pm

re: #29 ProBosniaLiberal

There used to be a progressive element in the Church.

LOL no. Not really. You’re talking about the same church that took almost 500 years to admit that Galileo was right. “Progressive” and Catholicism don’t mix.

They might be willing to admit that science is a thing, but they’re just as regressive and theocratic as the evangelicals.

39 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:27:47pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

See, the Reagan like fanaticism that the Communists were automatically bad is silly.

To be blunt, our side did some truly horrific things during the Cold War. The biggest of which was our support for Pakistan during the the 1971 South Asian War. We supported a genocide on Bangladesh, one that killed 1.5 to 3 million in just 9 months. The rate of Murder exceeded even the Holocaust.

That should and will be a millstone around the neck of the US for the rest of this nation’s existence. To the USSR’s credit, they supported India in that War, and prevented us and the PRC from intervening. We should be giving aid to Bangladesh, lots of it, until we have atoned for not only letting it happen again, but then supporting it.

But, not my worry. If the Catholic Church doesn’t evolve, they become will weaken massively.

40 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:28:14pm

re: #37 NJDhockeyfan

I’m torn between watching them or staying away from any game this year. I’m pissed off at the NHL over all the bullshit.

Watch your team. They did very well last year and if they get high up into the playoffs you’ll be glad you got to watch their climb.

41 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:28:34pm

re: #32 NJDhockeyfan

Never happen. Way too much money involved.

Here I’m just thinking, football? /

42 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:28:48pm

re: #38 Lidane

Pope John XXIII was willing to state contraception is A-Okay.

If only he had lived another few years.

43 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:30:26pm

re: #38 Lidane

LOL no. Not really. You’re talking about the same church that took almost 500 years to admit that Galileo was right. “Progressive” and Catholicism don’t mix.

They might be willing to admit that science is a thing, but they’re just as regressive and theocratic as the evangelicals.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

44 Shvaughn  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:30:30pm

re: #38 Lidane

LOL no. Not really. You’re talking about the same church that took almost 500 years to admit that Galileo was right. “Progressive” and Catholicism don’t mix.

They might be willing to admit that science is a thing, but they’re just as regressive and theocratic as the evangelicals.

I dunno about that. There is a progressive wing in the Catholic Church and always has been; it’s just out of power.

A lot of the nuns, a lot of liberation theology priests in Latin America, etc are progressive Catholics. They’re just marginalized within the Church.

45 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:30:54pm
46 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:31:54pm
47 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:33:02pm

Huell died young. He used to be in really good shape too. Former Marine. First I heard of him. Maybe vaguely familiar. But I know California and he was very Californian.

48 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:33:59pm

re: #35 jaunte

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That purple spot in the middle is 129°F.

God is frying an egg on Ayer’s Rock.
/ ;)

49 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:34:19pm

re: #44 Shvaughn

I dunno about that. There is a progressive wing in the Catholic Church and always has been; it’s just out of power.

A lot of the nuns, a lot of liberation theology priests in Latin America, etc are progressive Catholics. They’re just marginalized within the Church.

Which is why I’m laughing about the idea of the Catholic church ever truly being progressive. Liberation theology is considered a heresy by a lot of people in the Vatican and in the Church hierarchy. It will never have a major voice.

50 freetoken  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:35:40pm

re: #39 ProBosniaLiberal

To be blunt, our side did some truly horrific things during the Cold War. The biggest of which was our support for Pakistan during the the 1971 South Asian War. We supported a genocide on Bangladesh, one that killed 1.5 to 3 million in just 9 months. The rate of Murder exceeded even the Holocaust.

I’m pretty sure that Mitt Romney taught us, and his allies and fans endorse wholeheartedly, that the US has done no harm and all these things are made up by you pinko commies.

51 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:36:16pm

re: #49 Lidane

Eventually, the Catholic Church will be forced to save itself.

And, even now, I still have more respect for the Catholic Church than the LDS Church.

52 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:36:17pm

re: #39 ProBosniaLiberal

See, the Reagan like fanaticism that the Communists were automatically bad is silly.

To be blunt, our side did some truly horrific things during the Cold War. The biggest of which was our support for Pakistan during the the 1971 South Asian War. We supported a genocide on Bangladesh, one that killed 1.5 to 3 million in just 9 months. The rate of Murder exceeded even the Holocaust.

That should and will be a millstone around the neck of the US for the rest of this nation’s existence. To the USSR’s credit, they supported India in that War, and prevented us and the PRC from intervening. We should be giving aid to Bangladesh, lots of it, until we have atoned for not only letting it happen again, but then supporting it.

But, not my worry. If the Catholic Church doesn’t evolve, they become will weaken massively.

Some Communists were good people (saying ‘a few’ or ‘most’ is problematic), but Communism as practiced was a horror.

China was too damaged by its own internal turmoils in 1971 to be able to act and the US wasn’t going to mount a major intervention while still involved in Vietnam.

The liberation of Bangladesh was also the only time the Soviet PT-76 amphibious tank did well against other tanks. Against US tanks in Cambodia in 1970 and South Vietnam in 1972 (in the latter case crewed solely by the ARVN) the PT-76 was badly worsted. It’s use in Bangladesh’s rivers redeemed it, only to have it again come up short against Israel in 1973.

53 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:36:49pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Watch your team. They did very well last year and if they get high up into the playoffs you’ll be glad you got to watch their climb.

Missing Martin Brodeur playing toward the end of his career is a tough call. I might have to watch them.

54 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:37:49pm

re: #6 Gus

I love the long, awkward handshake while the guy is on the phone.

55 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:37:56pm

re: #50 freetoken

Aside from the treatment of Native Americans, Slavery, and Jim Crow, there is no darker a spot on our history.

56 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:38:31pm

re: #51 ProBosniaLiberal

Eventually, the Catholic Church will be forced to save itself.

And, even now, I still have more respect for the Catholic Church than the LDS Church.

Almost 500 years to admit that Galileo was right.

The Church won’t save itself anytime soon because they don’t see a reason to bother. Eventually, their critics will die off and they will endure.

57 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:39:41pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

China’s military only barely won against India. They were in no shape to attack.

India on the other hand, likely could have continued fighting WWII style against Pakistan. They should have. That Pakistani Gov’t committed a Nazi-style crime against humanity. They gave too much mercy.

58 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:39:59pm

I think Notre Dame should have stayed in bed today.

59 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:41:14pm

Oh god, this is going to give him enough material for the next six months.

60 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:41:51pm

re: #59 Four More Tears

Jones refused to take his shoes off, believing he was being profiled as a known critic of the TSA, according to InfoWars.com.

Mr. Special.

61 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:42:21pm

re: #59 Four More Tears

Oh god, this is going to give him enough material for the next six months.

62 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:42:43pm
63 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:42:45pm

re: #59 Four More Tears

Oh god, this is going to give him enough material for the next six months.

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Everyone can agree. Alex Jones is a dick.

64 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:43:12pm

re: #59 Four More Tears

Oh god, this is going to give him enough material for the next six months.

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‘Scuse me a moment.

*ahem*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ok. Now I feel better.

That’s hilarious. I can’t wait to see the insanity he spews over that.

65 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:43:17pm

The BCS really, really, really, really needs some sort of playoff structure.

This game is ridiculous.

66 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:43:55pm
67 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:44:31pm

re: #56 Lidane

They will hemorrhage followers. Look at the Philippines and Latin America. They are drifting from the Vatican’s grasp.

re: #56 Lidane

Again, still better than LDS.

Muslims in the US haven’t committed half the stuff they did, and yet, we are the unloyal ones in the eyes of many.

I have to imagine an even worse rape culture exists at BYU than Notre Dame.

68 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:45:20pm

Tonight on CNN: Alex Jones, Sheriff Joe, and four mastiffs vs. a black bear.

69 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:45:41pm

re: #66 Interesting Times

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CNN, proving just how stupid the news gets when you try to treat both sides as equally valid.

70 freetoken  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:46:04pm

re: #66 Interesting Times

CNN, the US version, is viewed at any given time by less than 1/300th of the American population. A few shows rate well, the rest have rather small viewership.

They are desperate to up their rating, and the circus atmosphere follows.

And every circus needs a clown.

71 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:46:05pm

re: #68 jaunte

72 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:46:20pm

re: #62 jaunte

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It seems to be their ratings gimmick lately. Invite crazy person and pretend to be shocked by craziness. I suppose it’s supposed to be a propaganda tool to make the opposition appear insane. It may generate some headlines the next day but I don;t think many people are actually tuning in to see this crap.

73 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:47:25pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

It seems to be just spectacle for the sake of spectacle. Piers should get some folding chairs to throw.

74 freetoken  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:47:34pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

I suppose it’s supposed to be a propaganda tool to make the opposition appear insane. …

In this case, no “making” was actually required. Nor were batteries.

75 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:47:42pm

re: #68 jaunte

Tonight on CNN: Alex Jones, Sheriff Joe, and four mastiffs vs. a black bear.

I can’t wait for the toddlers vs midgets death match.

76 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:48:27pm

re: #59 Four More Tears

Oh god, this is going to give him enough material for the next six months.

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77 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:48:44pm

The punchline for the Alex Jones/TSA fight:

Although he did eventually eventually agree to be searched, he claimed that TSA screeners manually set off the metal detector, “possibly by order of the officer, so that they could harass Jones further.”

“You guys get the photos and the video? Good. Ok, lets get this search over with.”

78 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:49:20pm

This is SO HUELL!

79 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:49:42pm

re: #59 Four More Tears

Oh god, this is going to give him enough material for the next six months.

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I read something that the people in line behind him got really pissed and started yelling at him to take his damn shoes off.. he eventually took his shoes off. His life statement is too be the all time world class jerk.

80 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:50:44pm

re: #73 jaunte

It seems to be just spectacle for the sake of spectacle. Piers should get some folding chairs to throw.

CNN is in format purgatory for now. I’m not sure where they’re going but it looks like reality shows, celebrity travel stuff, etc. I think they’re probably getting out of the news business soon.

81 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:51:56pm

re: #57 ProBosniaLiberal

China’s military only barely won against India. They were in no shape to attack.

India on the other hand, likely could have continued fighting WWII style against Pakistan. They should have. That Pakistani Gov’t committed a Nazi-style crime against humanity. They gave too much mercy.

India was never going for a knockout in 1971. Their objective was the limited goal of ousting the Pakistani army from Bangladesh. India’s effort was not set up for a prolonged war.

Moreover, had India pressed on into what was then West Pakistan its likely that the Shah of Iran would have ordered his air force to intervene. That would have cost India its air superiority, since India’s MiG-21s would not have prevailed against Iran’s F-4 Phantom IIs.

82 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:52:00pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

CNN is in format purgatory for now. I’m not sure where they’re going but it looks like reality shows, celebrity travel stuff, etc. I think they’re probably getting out of the news business soon.

“On the road… with Honey Boo Boo.”

83 freetoken  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:53:36pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

The Food Network and Bravo have shown the way - cooking reality shows.

Maybe CNN can get Ron Ben Israel to come on over for a show on competitive cakes?

84 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:54:12pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Fucking good allies we had then. We got caught up on the economic rivalry, and threw Human Rights under the bus. And that is why our image is worthless in much of the world.

Now, Pakistan is untouchable.

85 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:55:19pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Meh, like the world needs more trash on TV?
Sounds like a failing business to me!

86 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:55:44pm

re: #61 Interesting Times

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Boy, what an asshole! Alex Jones comes across as an utter shitbird in those clips, and they weren’t edited so he doesn’t have an excuse. That man takes all criticism personally and reacted to it with extreme hostility. At a minimum, that is the sign of someone with a very bad attitude.

87 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:55:58pm

Judge orders Catholic leaders in Los Angeles to name abusers

A US judge Monday ordered Catholic leaders in Los Angeles to identify senior church officials accused of sexually abusing children, in a move welcomed by campaigners for victims.

The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles immediately pledged to comply with the order by LA Superior Court judge Emilie Elias, which reversed part of a 2011 ruling.

“The archdiocese will abide by Judge Elias’ decision. We are now working with all parties involved to facilitate the release of the documents as promptly as possible,” said a archdiocese statement.

88 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:56:22pm

re: #83 freetoken

The Food Network and Bravo have shown the way - cooking reality shows.

Maybe CNN can get Ron Ben Israel to come on over for a show on competitive cakes?

CNN did get Anthony Bourdain but I seriously doubt the rest of the shows are going to be quite so cool. I’m not a TV watcher anymore but it’s sad to see there’s no market for cable news anymore. Oh well, the times they are a changin’

89 Skip Intro  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:56:30pm

re: #73 jaunte

It seems to be just spectacle for the sake of spectacle. Piers should get some folding chairs to throw.

It works for “reality” tv shows, so I can see why a network as desperate as CNN would try it.

90 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:57:40pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Boy, what an asshole! Alex Jones comes across as an utter shitbird in those clips, and they weren’t edited so he doesn’t have an excuse.

He’s always been an utter shitbird.

To me, he will always be the raving lunatic on public access TV here in Austin. Why anyone takes him seriously is beyond me.

91 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:57:41pm
92 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:57:43pm

The fact the Church waited for a court order to hand over the names of child molesters is just sick.

93 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:58:17pm

re: #92 Kragar

The fact the Church waited for a court order to hand over the names of child molesters is just sick.

But they’ve got progressive elements, don’tcha know.

94 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:58:21pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Boy, what an asshole! Alex Jones comes across as an utter shitbird in those clips, and they weren’t edited so he doesn’t have an excuse. That man takes all criticism personally and reacted to it with extreme hostility. At a minimum, that is the sign of someone with a very bad attitude.

He’s tuned his performance to a specific (crazed) audience; Piers Morgan just did him a big favor by inviting him on.

95 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:59:13pm

We had a troll get clubbed today, a Gamey Spewer called ‘reidh’. I just got the troll over the fire and so we’ll have a late nite snack.

96 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:59:52pm

re: #92 Kragar

That’s what Benedict XVI had told the Bishops to do, after all. He is the reason for the cover-ups.

Yes, I assert there were good popes.

Benedict XVI isn’t one of them.

97 freetoken  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:00:49pm

American television and entertainment is so over-saturated with options that many of these outlets should just be allowed to die.

It’s seems sort of like the restaurant business. Restaurant: Impossible goes around trying to “save” ailing establishments that frankly ought to be plowed over by a bulldozer. Most of them fail anyway (according to the followup data.)

Time Warner wants to compete with News Corp and Comcast/Universal in news, and while CNN International can be found in about any airport and hotel in the world, I just can’t see where here in the US we need so many “news” networks that frankly don’t cover the “news” most of the time.

98 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:01:09pm

So I’m going to CES this week, and I just found out that my company is putting me up at Circus Circus.

Never been to Vegas. Is that a decent hotel at all? What are good places to go in the area? I won’t have a car, so it has to be stuff nearby.

99 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:02:28pm

re: #97 freetoken

American television and entertainment is so over-saturated with options that many of these outlets should just be allowed to die.

It’s seems sort of like the restaurant business. Restaurant: Impossible goes around trying to “save” ailing establishments that frankly ought to be plowed over by a bulldozer. Most of them fail anyway (according to the followup data.)

Time Warner wants to compete with News Corp and Comcast/Universal in news, and while CNN International can be found in about any airport and hotel in the world, I just can’t see where here in the US we need so many “news” networks that frankly don’t cover the “news” most of the time.

See that’s why I think TW is so repellent about AJ. It’s not about ideology, it’s about market share.

100 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:03:42pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

Glad Stinky finally clubbed him!
Might need extra time marinating the gameyness out of him!

101 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:03:55pm

re: #97 freetoken

American television and entertainment is so over-saturated with options that many of these outlets should just be allowed to die.

It’s seems sort of like the restaurant business. Restaurant: Impossible goes around trying to “save” ailing establishments that frankly ought to be plowed over by a bulldozer. Most of them fail anyway (according to the followup data.)

Time Warner wants to compete with News Corp and Comcast/Universal in news, and while CNN International can be found in about any airport and hotel in the world, I just can’t see where here in the US we need so many “news” networks that frankly don’t cover the “news” most of the time.

We’ve got several hundred channels on our cable package.

I don’t watch any of them because nothing is on.

102 freetoken  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:04:38pm

re: #99 Gus

See that’s why I think TW is so repellent about AJ. It’s not about ideology, it’s about market share.

No doubt about it. If another “news network” tries to claim territory in the American market the avg. viewership for many of the various “news” programs will just go down.

103 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:04:49pm

re: #98 Lidane

If it’s close, try to eat at Chin Chin’s. I recommend the Chinese Chicken Salad! Have fun!

104 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:05:04pm

re: #87 Kragar

Judge orders Catholic leaders in Los Angeles to name abusers

Same fight in Canada recently. Not resolved yet.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.ca…]

105 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:07:22pm

re: #102 freetoken

No doubt about it. If another “news network” tries to claim territory in the American market the avg. viewership for many of the various “news” programs will just go down.

Viewers X Dollar Amount = Prophet*

106 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:08:17pm

re: #103 Dancing along the light of day

If it’s close, try to eat at Chin Chin’s. I recommend the Chinese Chicken Salad! Have fun!

No, no, not by the hair on my chinny chin chin!

107 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:09:44pm

re: #98 Lidane

So I’m going to CES this week, and I just found out that my company is putting me up at Circus Circus.

Never been to Vegas. Is that a decent hotel at all? What are good places to go in the area? I won’t have a car, so it has to be stuff nearby.

Depends on your expectations. Not really a great hotel. An older hotel on the north part of the strip, but not particularly luxurious. As for what its close to, its on the strip so its relatively close to everything. But in vegas it can take 15 minutes to walk between one hotel and the hotel next door so its all relative. Quite close to the big Mall and to Wynn

108 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:11:08pm

re: #100 Dancing along the light of day

Glad Stinky finally clubbed him!
Might need extra time marinating the gameyness out of him!

Will do. I don’t want to overdo it, though, since Troll Buttocks is supposed to be gamey when served.

109 freetoken  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:11:15pm

re: #98 Lidane

I hatez Vegas.

Having said that, I used to go there a few times a year to watch dancing, but that was over a decade ago. Always avoided Circus Circus. It’s where families stay who can’t afford the newer hotels.

110 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:11:39pm

CNN… they already have a 24/7 news channel called HLN. I liked the old format with pure news but they have turned in a Entertaining+Light news format.
If they would turn back to pure news on HLN that would free up CNN to completely revamp the main Network. Over the years they have lost all their talent..Esp. Producers, writers and news people to the competition. They cheeped out.
Bring in experienced talented Producers and revamp the whole format..Remember the old days of Cross-fire.. Confrontational and it brought tension to the set. I’m not saying be like Fox Network but at least they have a smart format and programming skills. CNN is getting it’s ass kicked. They need to show imagination and forward thinking and hire a couple of prime time Stars to boot.

111 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:12:54pm

re: #98 Lidane

So I’m going to CES this week, and I just found out that my company is putting me up at Circus Circus.

Never been to Vegas. Is that a decent hotel at all? What are good places to go in the area? I won’t have a car, so it has to be stuff nearby.

Free room, that’s all I can say. Get a shuttle, they will take you wherever you want to go.

112 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:13:29pm

a day i thought would be mongo stressful turned out pretty mello

i just make my own stress i tell ya i need to buy a chill pill factory

113 freetoken  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:14:10pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

Americans want to be entertained.

That is, btw, what is so wrong with all those supposed “history” and “science” channels and shows. Rather than stimulating thinking they are about entertaining the viewer with fancy graphics and over the top assertions.

About the only territory left to be explored in American television are would be “reality” shows with competitive sex, or even un-regulated violence (as if MMA isn’t enough.)

114 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:15:32pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

CNN… they already have a 24/7 news channel called HLN. I liked the old format with pure news but they have turned in a Entertaining+Light news format.
If they would turn back to pure news on HLN that would free up CNN to completely revamp the main Network. Over the years they have lost all their talent..Esp. Producers, writers and news people to the competition. They cheeped out.
Bring in experienced talented Producers and revamp the whole format..Remember the old days of Cross-fire.. Confrontational and it brought tension to the set. I’m not saying be like Fox Network but at least they have a smart format and programming skills. CNN is getting it’s ass kicked. They need to show imagination and forward thinking and hire a couple of prime time Stars to boot.

I think we should have an NRO/Mother Jones cruise.

115 bratwurst  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:15:34pm

re: #99 Gus

See that’s why I think TW is so repellent about AJ. It’s not about ideology, it’s about market share.

I am sure that is part of it. This is the danger we run in having allowed the line between content providers and content creators to blur so much in the last decade or two.

Having said that..if there were REALLY a market for non-stop news reading, we would have several channels doing that. The internet and all it has wrought made that format passe. Hell, CNN was getting further and further away from it with their Headline News channel even BEFORE the vast majority of people started getting their news (breaking or otherwise) online. The fact that someone who doesn’t actually watch TV is here professing his love for that format provides a clue about its viability as well!

116 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:17:49pm

re: #114 Gus

You can be cruise director!
Cue “love boat” music!

117 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:18:00pm

Sayonara folks!

118 jaunte  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:18:50pm

re: #114 Gus

I think we should have an NRO/Mother Jones cruise.

“Suits & Skins”

119 Shvaughn  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:20:53pm

My mom told me today that Huell Howser was possibly gay. She chewed out one of my relatives who said he “okay for a faggot.” Go mom!

120 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:21:05pm

re: #107 Petero1818

Depends on your expectations. Not really a great hotel. An older hotel on the north part of the strip, but not particularly luxurious. As for what its close to, its on the strip so its relatively close to everything. But in vegas it can take 15 minutes to walk between one hotel and the hotel next door so its all relative. Quite close to the big Mall and to Wynn

As long as it’s close to stuff to do, I don’t mind.

It’s a company trip, and I’m expected to walk the trade show floor of CES for two days. I’ll barely have time to breathe, so being within walking distance of some good restaurants or something is more my speed. Although I’ll admit a morbid curiosity (pun intended) about Eli Roth’s Goretorium. I love Halloween and a good haunted house, so seeing one that they poured millions into might be fun.

121 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:21:08pm

re: #118 jaunte

“Suits & Skins”

Amateur boxing camps and tattoos! /

122 freetoken  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:23:08pm

re: #121 Gus

That’s one that is missing - an amateur tattooing competition. Will have to be held in locations where licensing is not required, but that is no problem in these days of internet everywhere.

123 Political Atheist  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:23:58pm

re: #35 jaunte

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That purple spot in the middle is 129°F.

You very young folks are in for a hell of a ride I think.

124 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:24:29pm
125 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:25:43pm

re: #111 Stanghazi

Free room, that’s all I can say. Get a shuttle, they will take you wherever you want to go.

I never got the chance to go to Vegas.. We all always went the Tahoe, It’s beautiful there and they let you gamble as a bonus…Those were great trips.
Also went to the Golden nugget in Sparks outside of Reno. I’m not really a gambler but busting time and trying all the tables out is a blast..I just prayed that at 4am. I’m not blurry eyes flipping out the old AMEX card and buying more chips and shots.

126 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:26:05pm

Jon Stewart just finished his comments on the GOP Sandy relief action. He was harsh.

127 dragonath  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:26:14pm

The local public-access TV channel was showing Plan 9 From Outer Space.

“Future events such as these will affect you in the future…”

128 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:26:30pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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All those are is a rugged storage container. Talk about a lame over-hype.

129 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:27:12pm

re: #127 dragonath

The local public-access TV channel was showing Plan 9 From Outer Space.

“Future events such as these will affect you in the future…”

Few could FAIL as humorously as Ed Wood.

130 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:27:30pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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Frank question but Weekly Standard, Prison Planet? Aside from the spelling, is there any real difference any more between the two?

131 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:28:30pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Jon Stewart just finished his comments on the GOP Sandy relief action. He was harsh.

As he should have been. He’s from Jersey originally.

132 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:29:13pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

As he should have been. He’s from Jersey originally.

I believe the term ‘cockblocked’ was used.

133 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:30:36pm

re: #132 Decatur Deb

I believe the term ‘cockblocked’ was used.

Heh in this case, it was a Bonerblock. Seriously though. Shitty move. Even shittier actions by those who requested aid when their districts were hit by flood, famine, or hurricane but said FU to the people hit by Sandy. And then to be a passive aggressive little shit head and claim that it’s the deficit.

134 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:34:34pm

I’ll be blunt here. I have more respect for the guy who is consistently awful than the guy who wants his piece but says fuck you to others who want their piece.

135 dragonath  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:34:53pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

Few could FAIL as humorously as Ed Wood.

The Amazing Criswell, Tor Johnson, some guy named “Dudley Manlove” …and not to mention sophisticated alien technology like tube radios and Jacob’s Ladders!

136 dragonath  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:38:51pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

I’ll be blunt here. I have more respect for the guy who is consistently awful than the guy who wants his piece but says fuck you to others who want their piece.

So you’re saying you like Ed Wood more than Mel Gibson, huh?

137 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:41:43pm

re: #136 dragonath

So you’re saying you like Ed Wood more than Mel Gibson, huh?

Heh, you know, i do need to see some of his movies. I have a weakness for very bad movies.

138 Joanne  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:42:35pm

re: #16 Stanghazi

All I know is that a beautiful chicken breast is a-cooking. In a citrus olive oil I got as a gift. The aroma, aaaaah.

Add a few capers and some shrooms, a little lemon juice and a few dashes of cream and serve it over pasta. Hubby went wild over it last week.

139 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:46:23pm

re: #111 Stanghazi

Free room, that’s all I can say. Get a shuttle, they will take you wherever you want to go.

Good plan. I think that’s what I’m going to do.

140 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:48:22pm

141 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:49:36pm
142 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:50:58pm

re: #141 Lidane

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143 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:52:16pm

ignatz declares that bleu chiz dressing goes perfectly with kibble

144 freetoken  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:56:10pm

Continuing on (from this morning) with an off-topic topic… I did go ahead with the 23andMe thing - including getting a kit for my mother (as a parent-child pairing in the database will help with some of the analyses).

Anyway, their site wants me to come up with an online nickname, which they emphasize is permanent (carved into solid stone no doubt).

I won’t use the one I use here (as I plan to make my genetic info public in the hopes of finding relatives), but now I have a quandary - what would really be a good permanent nickname with which I will want to be identified publicly?

In the past 20 years or so of my online life I’ve used pseudonyms with the goal of having them be either non-de-script, or at least neutral.

Now, I have an identity crisis.

What really is “me”?

145 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:56:36pm

re: #142 Gus

Oh dear.

DRROOONNESSZ!!1

146 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:58:04pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

DRROOONNESSZ!!1

I don’t know what to tell these people. Were they expecting Unicorns from PBO?

147 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:59:17pm

re: #144 freetoken

Continuing on (from this morning) with an off-topic topic… I did go ahead with the 23andMe thing - including getting a kit for my mother (as a parent-child pairing in the database will help with some of the analyses).

Anyway, their site wants me to come up with an online nickname, which they emphasize is permanent (carved into solid stone no doubt).

I won’t use the one I use here (as I plan to make my genetic info public in the hopes of finding relatives), but now I have a quandary - what would really be a good permanent nickname with which I will want to be identified publicly?

In the past 20 years or so of my online life I’ve used pseudonyms with the goal of having them be either non-de-script, or at least neutral.

Now, I have an identity crisis.

What really is “me”?

So you’re a denizen of the Neutral Planet and your gut is telling you “maybe!”?

It is an odd decision. Wanting some protection of identity by using a pseudonym, but also have it be “you”.

148 dragonath  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:00:47pm

re: #141 Lidane

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I thought Kos would be done beating on Ed Rendell considering his successor wants to privatize the goddamn Pennsylvania Lottery.

149 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:01:15pm

This next bill will solve everything.

150 freetoken  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:01:43pm

re: #147 Feline Fearless Leader

It is an odd decision. Wanting some protection of identity by using a pseudonym, but also have it be “you”.

I’ve got to be “me”.
Whether I’m right or whether I’m wrong,
Whether I find a place in this world or never belong
I gotta be me, I’ve gotta be me
What else can I be but what I am.

151 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:02:56pm

You gotta hand it to the Democrats. They’re holding the ball for Republican Chuck Hagel. Those are some skills.

152 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:03:23pm

re: #146 Gus

I don’t know what to tell these people. Were they expecting Unicorns from PBO?

anybody who thought that the man who voted enthusiastically for retroactive immunity for telecoms for violating the privacy rights of their customers was gonna be henry wallace wudn’t paying attention

153 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:03:34pm

re: #146 Gus

I don’t know what to tell these people. Were they expecting Unicorns from PBO?

Yes, they thought that once George W. Bush left office unicorns would trot free across the land, and Obama would undo all the “evil acts of Bush”. As things actually happened, Obama had to confront the reality that our nation has enemies and he decided that drones were a good weapon to use to deal with those enemies whom we had to kill. But a few on the left refuse to accept that Obama has to act offensively in order to defend the nation. they can not or will not see the necessity of disrupting an enemy to protect your own people.

154 DREd  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:05:13pm

Does Alex Jones have a coke problem or is he really just that insane?

155 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:06:19pm

re: #154 DREd

Does Alex Jones have a coke problem or is he really just that insane?

The latter I think. Scorsese had a huge coke problem and gave us Raging Bull. Alex has whatever he has and gives us “Angelina Jolie is a bigger war criminal than Joseph Kony.”

156 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:07:21pm

re: #152 engineer cat

anybody who thought that the man who voted enthusiastically for retroactive immunity for telecoms for violating the privacy rights of their customers was gonna be henry wallace wudn’t paying attention

I wouldn’t want Henry Wallace anyhow. Ahead of his time on things like Civil Rights but he was very naive about the USSR. To his credit, he later admitted he was wrong but still.
credit not granted

157 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:11:02pm

re: #154 DREd

Does Alex Jones have a coke problem or is he really just that insane?

It’s a feature, not a bug. He really is that stupid/insane.

158 dragonath  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:13:25pm

re: #152 engineer cat

Incredibly, after Henry Wallace was bounced from VP in ‘44, and the losing Progressive ticket in ‘48, he ended up supporting Nixon in 1960.

Pretty amazing we still have guys like Pete Seeger as a bridge to those times- and it was awesomely ballsy to run a civil rights campaign in the South.

And he was was one hell of a chicken farmer.

159 Joanne  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:13:51pm

re: #42 ProBosniaLiberal

Pope John XXIII was willing to state contraception is A-Okay.

If only he had lived another few years.

That must have been a later in life thing. I saw him speak in Ethiopia, when people were starving from their great drought, saying condoms were wrong. I wonder what he thought looking at starvingothets with their starving children, distended stomachs, flys buzzing around their gaunt faces.

I’ve hated, absolutely dedpised, the Catholic Church ever since. They *DEMANDED* creating more starving babies. It was one of the sickest things I’ve ever witnessed.

160 DREd  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:15:36pm

This is really just the distilled essence of the derp. It’s incredible.

161 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:15:44pm

re: #158 dragonath

Incredibly, after Henry Wallace was bounced from VP in ‘44, and the losing Progressive ticket in ‘48, he ended up supporting Nixon in 1960.

Pretty amazing we still have guys like Pete Seeger as a bridge to those times- and it was awesomely ballsy to run a civil rights campaign in the South.

And he was was one hell of a chicken farmer.

I read that. Still don’t know the exact reasons why he ended up being a Nixon supporter. And yeah, he was very courageous to do what he did on Civil Rights. I think I read that his running mate actually got elected for breaking the segregation laws. And your point about Seeger got me thinking about my grandmother whom was born not long after the epic 1912 election.

162 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:19:48pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

All those are is a rugged storage container. Talk about a lame over-hype.

Evil storage containers.

163 Joanne  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:20:16pm

re: #85 Dancing along the light of day

Meh, like the world needs more trash on TV?
Sounds like a failing business to me!

Ratings!! Honey Boo Boo style.

164 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:20:33pm

Michigan football fans, tonight you can take solace knowing that the Wolverines played Alabama to a much closer game than Notre Dame did. Michigan only lost 41-14. On the other hand Notre Dame got blown out 42-14.

165 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:20:59pm

You know who the left doesn’t give enough credit and I am not saying this because my username is his nickname but Hubert Humphrey. He was the first national Democrat to be really strong and open about his support for civil rights. It was his 1948 DNC speech that pissed off Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrats. The other Happy Warrior, Al Smith despite his later opposition to the New Deal was cool in my book too because anyone who stood up to the intolerant dries during Prohibition has my respect. Plus, he was the first really prominent Irish-American politician to run for president. Not the first, Charles O’Conor who is forgotten today was technically but Smith laid the groundwork for JFK later.

166 Joanne  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:22:50pm

re: #98 Lidane

Not the best Vegas has to offer. It’s pretty old.

The Wynn is amazing. Caeser’s Palace, too. I haven’t seen the new ones.

167 Joanne  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:23:43pm

re: #101 Kragar

We’ve got several hundred channels on our cable package.

I don’t watch any of them because nothing is on.

Sad, isn’t it?

168 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:23:53pm
169 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:23:58pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

I wouldn’t want Henry Wallace anyhow. Ahead of his time on things like Civil Rights but he was very naive about the USSR. To his credit, he later admitted he was wrong but still.
credit not granted

Unlike Wallace, Obama did demonstrate some understanding before coming into office that anti-terrorist operations have to be thought of in terms of Minimal Harm (at best). Even then he made a point of saying that the true ‘hard core’ of the Islamist terror groups had to be neutralized either by death or imprisonment. And to some people, the idea that there are people out there who don’t have grievances that can be assuaged, people who have decided that what they feel needs to happen involves your death, is simply unfathomable.

Ultimately, as a senator Barack Obama was naive in a number of ways, but unlike Henry Wallace in the 40’s he was able to understand that sometimes the other guy is going after you because he really is evil.

170 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:25:12pm

re: #163 Joanne

Ratings!! Honey Boo Boo style.

I read that Honey Boo Boo’s mom is having TLC deposit all of the money they earn from that silly show directly into trust funds for all 5 of the family’s kids. So she’s OK in my book.

171 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:25:24pm

re: #166 Joanne

Not the best Vegas has to offer. It’s pretty old.

The Wynn is amazing. Caeser’s Palace, too. I haven’t seen the new ones.

Eh. It’s free. When I go on my own dime, I’ll upgrade. Haha.

172 dragonath  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:27:24pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

I’ve heard some people describe him as something of a firebagger. I’m not sure about that, although he might have had an axe to grind towards the Democrats.

LIke LaGuardia, he started out as a Republican, and was a very New Deal kind of guy.

173 Gus  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:28:31pm
174 Joanne  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:28:46pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Jon Stewart just finished his comments on the GOP Sandy relief action. He was harsh.

He always is at Congresses extreme injustice. I think he is pretty much responsible for the Zeroda (sic) bill passing (the 9/11 first responders) which had failed a few times until he literally had something on it every single night. He was relentless. And good on him!

175 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:31:42pm

re: #170 Mich-again

I read that Honey Boo Boo’s mom is having TLC deposit all of the money they earn from that silly show directly into trust funds for all 5 of the family’s kids. So she’s OK in my book.

I’m not sure about that, given that she’s putting her child on TV like that, put at least she seems to have seen and avoided the mistakes of parents who blow through a child star’s money and leave the kid broke and screwed up.

176 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:32:12pm

re: #172 dragonath

I’ve heard some people describe him as something of a firebagger. I’m not sure about that, although he might have had an axe to grind towards the Democrats.

LIke LaGuardia, he started out as a Republican, and was a very New Deal kind of guy.

I don’t know. I haven’t read enough about him to define him. I still think the kingmakers were ultimately right to decide on Truman over him for the VP spot but I think he had his heart in the right place on domestic issues and was right especially on things like race. LaGuardia- props for mentioning him is someone who today is only known for the airport he’s named after which I think is a shame, he really was one of the best progressives of his time and they were a lot of them.

177 Joanne  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:33:07pm

re: #146 Gus

I don’t know what to tell these people. Were they expecting Unicorns from PBO?

I always thought of myself as quite liberal. I’m discovering that’s no longer the case. The only saving grace is there are no looney lefties in congress. There’s no left version of the Tea Party.

178 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:34:03pm

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

Unlike Wallace, Obama did demonstrate some understanding before coming into office that anti-terrorist operations have to be thought of in terms of Minimal Harm (at best). Even then he made a point of saying that the true ‘hard core’ of the Islamist terror groups had to be neutralized either by death or imprisonment. And to some people, the idea that there are people out there who don’t have grievances that can be assuaged, people who have decided that what they feel needs to happen involves your death, is simply unfathomable.

Ultimately, as a senator Barack Obama was naive in a number of ways, but unlike Henry Wallace in the 40’s he was able to understand that sometimes the other guy is going after you because he really is evil.

I think frankly everyone’s a little naive when they assume the office. I mean everyone wants to save the world and all that. Once you get in there, you’re faced with difficult choices. It’s really a tough job. I never get why other than the prestige that comes with the office why kids aspire to be president.

179 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:34:52pm

Modern Mythology

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180 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:36:23pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

I think frankly everyone’s a little naive when they assume the office. I mean everyone wants to save the world and all that. Once you get in there, you’re faced with difficult choices. It’s really a tough job. I never get why other than the prestige that comes with the office why kids aspire to be president.

It appears to heavily age everyone who gets the office. A lot of responsibility hanging on your head. And I expect a lot of the decisions are less bad/good as compared to trying to pick the least bad out of a set of options that all have bad consequences for people.

181 Joanne  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:37:19pm

re: #171 Lidane

Eh. It’s free. When I go on my own dime, I’ll upgrade. Haha.

When I was on my dime, I stayed at the Stratosphere. It was functional and cheap (the “rides” on the roof are *INSANE*!

They proceeded to spam me for years. I was not happy. At all.

182 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:38:21pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

I’m not sure about that, given that she’s putting her child on TV like that, put at least she seems to have seen and avoided the mistakes of parents who blow through a child star’s money and leave the kid broke and screwed up.

Heck I thought she was a total goofball when I first saw that show and her dialect was so unintelligible they had to use subtitles even though she was speaking English.. Then I see that trust fund story and I’m thinking,, yeah, crazy like a fox.

183 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:39:43pm

re: #163 Joanne

Ratings!! Honey Boo Boo style.

I’ve heard the name, but am glad to say I don’t have a clue!
I don’t watch TeeVee!

184 Joanne  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:40:18pm

re: #182 Mich-again

Heck I thought she was a total goofball when I first saw that show and her dialect was so unintelligible they had to use subtitles even though she was speaking English.. Then I see that trust fund story and I’m thinking,, yeah, crazy like a fox.

At least she realizes this will be short lived fame. Her kid is barely passable as a beauty pagent participant these days.

185 dragonath  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:40:51pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I’ve heard anecdotal stories about how great Humphrey was for civil rights. For whatever reason, Hunter S. Thompson seemed to have of visceral dislike for the guy.

186 Joanne  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:41:25pm

re: #183 Dancing along the light of day

You’re missing little.

That said, I’m addicted to Wipeout. If I was 20 years younger I’d have already been on that show.

187 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:42:13pm

re: #46 Gus

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Oh, man! It ended right when he got to the bicycles!!!

188 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:43:49pm

re: #185 dragonath

I’ve heard anecdotal stories about how great Humphrey was for civil rights. For whatever reason, Hunter S. Thompson seemed to have of visceral dislike for the guy.

Vietnam I believe had a role in that and the fact I think he was seen as a LBJ stooge. I think Hunter really hated Muskie too if I am not mistaken. Don’t know too much about Muskie. Assume he was your usual 60’s Democrat though.

189 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:43:59pm
190 dragonath  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:46:10pm

For the fun of it, here’s a link to a Washington Post page that was published in 1966, wherein Joseph Alsop is bemoaning the new left, while making the assumption that the 60s were just like the 30s.

[Link: news.google.com…]

191 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:49:56pm

I was always amused by the fact that some of 60’s radicals from my parents’ generation ended up becoming more conservative than those they protested. And others who to this day are to my left. And then there are those like my folks. Stuck in the middle between those who did a complete 180 and those who stayed the same. Also equally amused by people who were right wing in the 60’s but became more left as the years went on. I guess Goldwater is somewhat an example of that but in a way I feel Goldwater really didn’t change but conservatism did.

192 Joanne  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:50:48pm

Night all!

193 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:51:49pm

A reality show that may never air, and I hope it doesn’t, since its far worse than anything that will ever happen on “Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo”:

A yet-to-air reality show documenting a rapper, who has fathered eleven children by ten different women, has been slammed by critics who have branded it ‘disgusting’ and ‘negative’.

All My Babies’ Mamas, set to air this spring on the Oxygen network, follows Carlos ‘Shawty Lo’ Walker, 36, as he navigates family life in an affluent suburb of Atlanta, Georgia.

But after a preview of the one-hour, fly-on-the-wall hit the internet thousands of viewers called for it to be scrapped, with many suggesting it plays on racial stereotypes.

A Change.org petition, which has more than 20,000 signatures, states that the show ‘stereotypes and demeans black children, mothers and dads’.

New York-based Sabrina Lamb, who launched the initiative explains: ‘This is not just an attack on African-American parents and children….but all parents and children.

‘As dysfunctional and violent as so-called reality shows are, could you ever imagine a one hour spectacle where 11 children are forced to witness their 10 unwed mothers clamor for financial support, emotional attention and sexual reward from Shawty-Lo, the apathetic ‘father’?’

194 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:52:38pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

DRROOONNESSZ!!1

I’m OK with drones because they save American lives and tax dollars. Every other industry has incorporated robots. The military should as well.

195 efuseakay  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:53:19pm

re: #106 Gus

No, no, not by the hair on my chinny chin chin!

More chins than a Chinese phone book!

196 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:53:55pm

re: #194 Mich-again

I’m OK with drones because they save American lives and tax dollars. Every other industry has incorporated robots. The military should as well.

I would like to know what the people who criticize drones have in mind as a solution. Nothing’s ideal but I do think drones are more effective than not.

197 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:54:55pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

A reality show that may never air, and I hope it doesn’t, since its far worse than anything that will ever happen on “Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo”:

And people wonder why I hate reality TV. Another trashy show. Before I know it, I’ll be telling the kids to get off my lawn but seriously.

198 dragonath  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:59:16pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Reminds me of a Veteran’s Day assembly I had in school- somehow a bunch of Young Republicans got in charge of the video production and turned it into some kind of jingoistic pro-war advertisement, complete with Toby Keith and some substitute teacher who told us how the libs lost us the Vietnam war.

Yeah, that was weird. And people wonder why young people don’t vote Republican.

199 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:04:05pm

re: #198 dragonath

Reminds me of a Veteran’s Day assembly I had in school- somehow a bunch of Young Republicans got in charge of the video production and turned it into some kind of jingoistic pro-war advertisement, complete with Toby Keith and some substitute teacher who told us how the libs lost us the Vietnam war.

Yeah, that was weird. And people wonder why young people don’t vote Republican.

Sheesh. Funniest thing for me though was seeing some of the people I remember strongly supporting the war back in 2002-03 end up being Ron Paul bots on facebook. One extreme to the other I saw it. I think that’s a mindset thing and frankly why I don’t go too far left. I mean I’m more left than I am not but I try to find some kind of balance. Try not think in absolutes and stuff.

200 dragonath  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:25:17pm

re: #199 HappyWarrior

My high school history teacher… a Republican… who abhored Ronald Reagan… and assigned us Howard Zinn(!), despite having some very conservative viewpoints.

The freethinking Republican was an actual thing once.

201 freetoken  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:29:42pm

Whilst we grind away at the resurgent derp-cano erupting from deep within the cauldron of ignorance, when I read forums related to genealogy and DNA testing I’m confronted with the reality that Americans on the whole have a real problem coming to grips with who we are, and why.

For example, often I read something like this: “Grandma’s mother was 1/2 Native American but CompanyZZZ-genetics test for me doesn’t come up with any Native American ancestry for me - they must be wrong.”

Things way too often overlooked:
1) your ancestors lied to you;
2) they didn’t really know their own background because they were lied to;
3) recombination means that any out-breeding can be covered up after just a few generations by simply the roll of the genetics dice.

Another commonly seen complaint goes like this: “I am pure European but the genetics ancestry says I’m .7% South Asian - they must be wrong”.

Here people are simply in denial - first that there are “pure” anything, and secondly and most importantly that little thing called “sex drive”, and the fact that horny young men and venturous young women have been having “hook-ups” since, well, forever, and in any of our ancestry there will be one-night-stands.

Additionally, many ancestry “paintings” are just plain misunderstood, and this is where creationism comes in. Whether or not one thinks they are a creationist it is likely there are deeply rooted creationist assumptions in your thinking. For example, that a certain group “comes from” a particular location. This harkens back to the story of the Tower of Babel in Genesis, where all the people of the Earth are divided into neatly defined groups all with associated specific geographies.

In truth we H. sapiens are highly mobile and all of us are just passing through wherever we are currently located. If we don’t physically pick up our households and move them during our generation, our genetics travel simply by having a relative going somewhere else and having children, and it is becoming clear that parts of our genome have traveled east and west across Eurasia, and even in and out of Africa, with ease.

As the saying goes - where-ever you go, there you will be. However, the sequel to that is this - where-ever you are at, you are only passing through.

202 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:34:36pm

So the Brits on my Twitter feed are raving. Apparently, David Bowie has a new single out.

Could be worth a few spins.

203 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:39:10pm
204 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:59:08pm

Michael Nodianos ‘ashamed’ of callously joking about rape in viral video

Nodianos, 18, recently gained Internet infamy after “Anonymous” hackers released disturbing video of him cheerfully mocking the young victim, joking she was “so raped right now.” The girl was allegedly sexually assaulted in late August by two players on the Steubenville High School football team while she was unconscious.

“There’s no excuse or justification for the comments Michael made in the video and with some sober reflection he is ashamed and embarrassed to hear them himself,” attorney Dennis McNamara said at a press conference on Monday.

McNamara described the video as “disappointing, insensitive and unfortunate,” but insisted that his client was not a witness in the case. Nodianos arrived at the house while the victim was leaving, and heard about the incident from witnesses, McNamara said.

Horseshit.

205 Kragar  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:29:35pm

Alex Jones challenges Piers Morgan to a boxing match in bizarre interview

Morgan had hoped to talk to Jones about the White House petition he launched, which sought to have Morgan deported from the United States for speaking out against guns. Instead, Morgan received an earful about the “suicide mass murder pills” like Prozac that were being distributed to Americans and how rampaging hordes were burning down cities in the gunless United Kingdom.

“You’re a hatchet man of the New World Order,” Jones said, challenging Morgan to a boxing match.

Throughout the interview, Jones accused Morgan of focusing on “little factoids” like gun homicide rates rather than the real issues. He said assault rifles were being used repeatedly in mass shootings because they were being hyped by the media.

Near the end of the interview, Jones mockingly spoke in a British accent after being asked about the September 11th terrorist attacks.

“Hitler firebombed his own Reichstag, Piers, to bring in marshal law in Germany,” he said. “Governments have staged or allowed terrorist attacks as a pretext to invade and enslave the populations.”

With only seconds left in the interview, Jones finally explained his petition: “It’s to point out you’re a foreigner, a redcoat, here telling us what to do.”

The words “no talent ass clown” come to mind

206 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:44:19pm

re: #201 freetoken

As the saying goes - where-ever you go, there you will be. However, the sequel to that is this - where-ever you are at, you are only passing through.

I saw Jesus on the cross on a hill called Calvary
“Do you hate mankind for what they done to you?”
He said, “Talk of love not hate, things to do - it’s getting late.
I’ve so little time and I’m only passing through.”

Passing through, passing through.
Sometimes happy, sometimes blue,
glad that I ran into you.
Tell the people that you saw me passing through.

I saw Adam leave the Garden with an apple in his hand,
I said “Now you’re out, what are you going to do?”
“Plant some crops and pray for rain, maybe raise a little cane.
I’m an orphan now, and I’m only passing through - So are you.”

Passing through, passing through …

I was with Washington at Valley Ford, shivering in the snow.
I said, “How come the men here suffer like they do?”
“Men will suffer, men will fight, even die for what is right
even though they know they’re only passing through”

Passing through, passing through …

I was with Franklin Roosevelt’s side on the night before he died.
He said, “One world must come out of World War Two” (ah, the fool)
“Yankee, Russian, white or tan,” he said, “A man is still a man.
We’re all on one road, and we’re only passing through.”

Passing through, passing through …

207 boxhead  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:45:26pm

As a native and life long Californian, watching California Gold was a surreal treat. Mr Howser’s vision of California was both sublime and full of innocent amazement. Many viewers thought his demeanor was false, (no one could be that amazed at life), but all those who met him, knew otherwise.

The best quote I read about him today is that he was the Mr. Rogers for adults.

God Speed Huell Howser…. And thank you for your work.

208 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:46:01pm

re: #205 Kragar

Alex Jones challenges Piers Morgan to a boxing match in bizarre interview

The words “no talent ass clown” come to mind

So do the words “batshit crazy lunatic”.

I will never understand how anyone takes him seriously.

209 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:47:39pm
210 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:51:35pm
211 Lidane  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 11:51:47pm

Posted without irony:

212 Kragar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 12:06:30am

re: #211 Lidane

Posted without irony:

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It’s true! WND posted an article showing how the Bible code proved it!
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213 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 12:18:10am

re: #206 engineer cat

214 researchok  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 12:20:07am

Morning, all

215 researchok  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 12:25:40am

re: #213 freetoken

Well, you can’t say Pete Seeger wasn’t an original.

216 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 1:02:52am

re: #211 Lidane

Posted without irony:

Liberals are today’s anti-intellectuals, they are the first to disregard history and to augment reality to fit their agenda.

Remember Rick Perry comparing creationists to modern-day Gallileos for having the integrity to buck the establishment?

Because a scientific establishment based on objectively verified, peer-reviewed scientific research is just like the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.

217 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 1:03:55am
218 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 1:10:15am

drip…drip…drip…

219 researchok  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 1:14:02am

I’m thinking Budapest tourist trap restaurant, roast chicken, small band and roving violinists wearing red shirts,

Nice piece.

220 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 1:14:21am

Getting back to my earlier topic… so I’m looking for a “nickname” for a forum that is more revealing that my usual opaque pseudonyms. Tonight I’ve considered, but have rejected for one reason or another, the following:


SwamiOfTheHighPlains
BrazilNutsHaveThorium
BlingOnTheRing
TheWizardOfOzzieAndHarriet

They all sound nice, but somehow I think they miss the point of being “me”.

221 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 1:18:11am

re: #220 freetoken

mp3forthe devil

222 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 2:03:19am

re: #221 Sol Berdinowitz

Hmmm… maybe TheSoundOfSilenceOfTheLambs ?

223 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 2:04:57am

re: #140 Gus

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This’d be funnier if we didn’t have a lot of people in the US, including a supposedly reasonable commenter on this site, thinking exactly this.

224 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 2:07:30am
225 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 2:11:03am

re: #223 Renaissance_Man

This’d be funnier if we didn’t have a lot of people in the US, including a supposedly reasonable commenter on this site, thinking exactly this.

The Onion demonstrates to us that American political discourse has become a bad parody of itself. No wonder their headlines are almost impossible to distinguish from real headlines.

226 Kragar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 2:23:33am

Tonight’s 40k Trivia:

Adeptus Mechanicus

The Adeptus Mechanicus is the official Imperial name within the Adeptus Terra for the Cult Mechanicus or Cult of the Machine. In ancient times, before the current Age of the Imperium officially began following the end of the Horus Heresy, it was often called the Mechanicum. The Mechanicus acknowledge the Emperor of Mankind as the ruler of the Imperium of Man, but not the religious truth of the Imperial Cult or the Ecclesiarchy. Instead, the Mechanicus follows its own dark and mysterious scriptures and worships the deity they call the Machine God or the “Omnissiah.” The Adeptus Mechanicus believes knowledge is the true manifestation of divinity in the universe, and all creatures and artefacts that embody knowledge are holy because of it. The Emperor is the supreme object of worship for Mankind, the living embodiment of the Machine God or Omnissiah, because he comprehends so much, understanding more about the true nature of reality than any other being in existence. The Adeptus Mechanicus also regard organic flesh as weak and view the removal and replacement of biological tissue with mechanical, bionic parts as sacred. Most elder Tech-priests have few organic parts left and eventually become more machine than man. The Adeptus Mechanicus is based on Mars, the very first Forge World of the Imperium, and they are the sole rulers of the Red Planet. They provide the technical and scientific experts of the Imperium and field armies of massive Titans, Mechanicus Electro-priests, Skitarii and combat Servitors.

227 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 2:40:03am

Oh, here’s a couple of more possible pseudonyms I had to reject:

BobBarkerNeuteredHelloKitty
CthulhuIsAVegetarian
OnGoldenToiletSeat

None of them could really capture the essential me.

228 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 4:10:42am

“You gun control nuts don’t even understand the difference between a semi-automatic and an automatic weapon!”

Because, for all practical purposes, there is none

229 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:08:51am

HAHA #TGDN is swarmed with pornbots.

230 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:18:59am

Found in Tehran: Ayatollah Khamenei-shaped air freshener

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has had a big few months: joining Instagram, joining Facebook, and now the theocratic ruler has hit a new benchmark. He’s an air freshener.

Heh.

231 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:22:28am

re: #203 Lidane

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If that’s for real, then one might say that 7 of 9 just shot a photon torpedo into a rival sci-fi franchise.

232 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:42:40am

re: #228 Sol Berdinowitz

Because, for all practical purposes, there is none

That system is damn hard to control without a foregrip and lots of practice. If you look at the second video, the muzzle is at times moving visibly. Unless your are dealing with a solid mass of targets (which even most mass murderers are not), those unsteady shots are very unlikely to hit something. The people in the first video who can keep the rifle steady handle it as trained people would, and thus are effective with it. That effectiveness takes a long time and lots of money (ammo isn’t cheap) to acquire. A nut bent on going out in blaze of evil isn’t going to be able to master the skills without spending a lot more money and time than such people generally have.

Bump fire is something of a red herring, unless you are dealing with someone far more skilled than any active shooter is liable to be. Unlike actual full-auto, it cannot be effectively used to sweep fire across a wide area without firing multiple short bursts (another discipline and control skill) and firing an AR-15 at that high a rate of fire will overheat the rifle in short order.

233 Stoatly  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:45:18am

re: #203 Lidane

For some reason makes me think of this (NSFW) vid:

234 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:56:30am

re: #204 Kragar

Yeah, he’s ashamed, such a paragon of virtue. Why didn’t he call the cops if he’s such an upstanding young man? Why didn’t ANYONE help this girl? He’s sorry he got caught, period. Sociopath.

236 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:01:02am
237 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:04:49am

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

It’s not like Obama didn’t signal his intentions before the election in 2008 either. He noted he’d go after HVTs across the border into Pakistan without permission.

The UAV program, which started under Bush, was greatly accelerated by Obama and has become far more effective and useful in the past couple of years to go after targets when we don’t have assets on the ground or don’t want to risk assets on the ground. It means we can strike at targets in Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, among others.

238 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:15:48am

re: #237 lawhawk

It’s not like Obama didn’t signal his intentions before the election in 2008 either. He noted he’d go after HVTs across the border into Pakistan without permission.

The UAV program, which started under Bush, was greatly accelerated by Obama and has become far more effective and useful in the past couple of years to go after targets when we don’t have assets on the ground or don’t want to risk assets on the ground. It means we can strike at targets in Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, among others.

With the added advantage that we won’t have to stick our noses in when the first Chinese drones start taking out noodle stands in Taiwan.

239 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:21:50am

Here’s today’s Weird Nut Daily OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!1 It got a mention in the UK’s Daily Mail so the link is to there instead of Farah’s psychotic crew.

The nutcases are claim that Neil Patrick Harris appearing in a promo for the Super Bowl with undereye face paint with the game’s date is mocking Tim Tebow’s practice of place Bible verse in his undereye paint. Even the ‘Daily FAIL’ doesn’t buy it, and its yet another example of WND climbing the Stupid Tree, falling off its top anf hitting every branch on the way down.

240 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:26:58am

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

If that’s for real, then one might say that 7 of 9 just shot a photon torpedo into a rival sci-fi franchise.

They’re real letters. Guinness was famously critical of Star Wars over the years.

241 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:28:28am

re: #240 Lidane

They’re real letters. Guinness was famously critical of Star Wars over the years.

Then that does score high on the ‘ouch!’ scale.

242 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:30:04am
243 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:35:55am

re: #240 Lidane

They’re real letters. Guinness was famously critical of Star Wars over the years.

Can you blame him? While it made him a fair bit of money, Lucas never could write dialog. Even American Graffiti had three screenwriters credited and I’ll bet every good bit of dialog was either written by those two or improved by the actors, because there is no way George wrote it.

244 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:36:36am

re: #242 Lidane

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245 iossarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:38:20am

NATIONAL HUMILIATION BECKONS IF WE REDUCE SPENDING ON BOMBS BY ONE RED CENT

246 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:40:12am

re: #245 iossarian

Hyperbolic leftie is hyperbolic.

247 iossarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:41:15am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

Hyperbolic leftie is hyperbolic.

Just channeling your subconscious.

248 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:44:37am

DF, the Pentagon budget is what’s killing us. It needs to be cut in half for our nations economy to really grow again.

As for Medicare reform, I agree. It’s called Single Payer like every other first world nation has. It also has the additional benefit of breaking the greed of the insurance scam because they’d have real competition for the first time.

249 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:45:08am

re: #247 iossarian

Just channeling your subconscious.

No, that would be “sorry Grandma, you can’t afford proper medical treatment because there’s a scary Muslim!! living in a cave on the other side of the world that needs to be blown up to satiate the bed-wetters.”

250 iossarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:45:10am

Fascinating article in the New Yorker a while back about the 1960s US chemical warfare program (topical because there’s a lawsuit on behalf of the test subjects making its way through the courts).

The most striking thing to me about the whole story was the sheer amount of money that was being wasted by the program. They had guys who were clearly incompetent at best running it, and spending vast amounts of money on experiments that a complete novice could have instantly determined had no chance of working whatsoever.

It did lead me to wonder to what extent the whole conservative “government programs are wasteful” thing could be driven by first-hand experience with military spending.

251 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:46:32am

re: #244 Dark_Falcon

Because starting two wars and cutting taxes at the same time leads to financial solvency.

252 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:47:05am
253 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:48:34am

re: #250 iossarian

It bears saying that the program you are talking about was put in place under Democrats JFK and LBJ. The Dems also held both houses of Congress. So don’t try to lay blame for those chemwar programs on conservatives or the GOP, since we weren’t in power. You Donks did ‘em, you own ‘em.

254 iossarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:48:40am

re: #251 Lidane

Because starting two wars and cutting taxes at the same time leads to financial solvency.

When the alternative is National Humiliation, you gotta do what you gotta do.

255 iossarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:49:55am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

It bears saying that the program you are talking about was put in place under Democrats JFK and LBJ. The Dems also held both houses of Congress. So don’t try to lay blame for those chemwar programs on conservatives or the GOP, since we weren’t in power. You Donks did ‘em, you own ‘em.

Military Industrial Complex. Look it up!

You also suffer from the delusion that people on the other side of the political spectrum have the same “my team good, your team bad” spectacles on as you do. Democrats do plenty of shitty things. They just do fewer of them than Republicans.

256 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:50:43am

re: #251 Lidane

re: #254 iossarian

Stop reading into my words things that are not there!

257 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:50:59am

re: #255 iossarian

Democrats do plenty of shitty things. They just do fewer of them than Republicans.

+1

258 iossarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:52:08am

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

re: #254 iossarian

Stop reading into my words things that are not there!

I’m just playing. You’ve used the phrase “national humiliation” several times in the past, so I thought it was apt.

259 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:53:33am

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

re: #254 iossarian

Stop reading into my words things that are not there!

So why knee-jerk into entitlement reform? There’s plenty of waste and graft that could easily be cut from defense spending. We spend more than the next dozen or so countries combined. You can’t tell me with a straight face that all of that is sensible spending or that we’re not wasting money.

260 Kronocide  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:54:46am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

It bears saying that the program you are talking about was put in place under Democrats JFK and LBJ. The Dems also held both houses of Congress. So don’t try to lay blame for those chemwar programs on conservatives or the GOP, since we weren’t in power. You Donks did ‘em, you own ‘em.

A distinction without relevance. In other words, who fucking cares.

261 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:55:49am

re: #259 Lidane

So why knee-jerk into entitlement reform? There’s plenty of waste and graft that could easily be cut from defense spending. We spend more than the next dozen or so countries combined. You can’t tell me with a straight face that all of that is sensible spending or that we’re not wasting money.

Because it is entitlements that pose the greatest budgetary risk. They are the place where spending growth threatens to bankrupt the nation.

262 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:58:20am

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Wrong.

263 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:58:57am

re: #260 Kronocide

Oh, it’s relevant. Iossarian brought up a program put in place while the government was entirely controlled by largely-liberal Democrats and yet the only political faction he speaks about is ‘conservatives’. I regarded that as an attempt to tar conservatives for mistakes made by liberals and moved to counter it.

264 iossarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:00:00am

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Because it is entitlements that pose the greatest budgetary risk. They are the place where spending growth threatens to bankrupt the nation.

Except it doesn’t, really. The reason it’s a problem is because various industries (primarily healthcare and insurance) have essentially bribed the government into adopting an unsustainable model for service provision, which is highly profitable to those specific industries.

If you go single-payer and devote a sensible share of the national economy to supporting retirees and those unable to work, then you essentially eliminate the problem. Spending might continue to gradually grow as a share of the economy due to relative productivity shifts, but overall quality of life would probably improve, especially for those currently underserved.

But of course this can’t happen because socialism etc.

265 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:01:25am

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Each and every one of the charts indicate that it was military spending - both part of the Iraq/Afghan campaigns and the general military buildup after 9/11 that have made bad fiscal situations far worse.

Your solution is to reduce entitlement programs that aren’t the key driver for the deficit ballooning.

Even the DoD recognizes that they’ve got to cut spending significantly. It’s just a question of where and how. But Congress doesn’t necessarily want to cut defense budgets because it affects jobs in their districts, so they fund programs that otherwise should be curtailed or even cancelled.

266 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:01:38am

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

Unfortunately, it seems to me like it would work fine for a room full of schoolkids…

267 Kronocide  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:02:05am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

Oh, it’s relevant. Iossarian brought up a program put in place while the government was entirely controlled by largely-liberal Democrats and yet the only political faction he speaks about is ‘conservatives’. I regarded that as an attempt to tar conservatives for mistakes made by liberals and moved to counter it.

So a program was brought up. Who created those programs and championed them to be finally signed by the ‘liberal’ Democrat presidents?

268 iossarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:03:13am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

Oh, it’s relevant. Iossarian brought up a program put in place while the government was entirely controlled by largely-liberal Democrats and yet the only political faction he speaks about is ‘conservatives’. I regarded that as an attempt to tar conservatives for mistakes made by liberals and moved to counter it.

Look, the US has a foreign policy problem, which is essentially that it adopts a position of total paranoia vis-a-vis the outside world. It doesn’t take a genius to deduce that the whole “everybody hates us” mantra is a thinly-veiled reflection of the “we hate everybody” ideology that underpins all too much of the national discourse.

Combine this paranoia with the lack of checks on government corruption by big business and you have the Military Industrial Complex, accurately predicted by Dwight himself. Democrats and Republicans alike feed the beast.

BBL.

269 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:06:56am

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Because it is entitlements that pose the greatest budgetary risk. They are the place where spending growth threatens to bankrupt the nation.

Explain how this is so. Use actual facts and figures, not random bullshit pulled from Cityjournal.

270 Kronocide  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:07:56am

Which party is currently driving the Military Industrial Complex bus?

That some Dems are on the bus doesn’t excluded conservatives from blame or shame.

271 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:10:03am

Retweet!

272 Kronocide  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:11:28am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

You Donks did ‘em, you own ‘em.

Partisan hackery isn’t pretty.

274 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:12:58am

Bwahahahaha!

275 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:15:28am
276 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:15:50am

re: #273 Gus

Breaking: Republican to Meet With Terrorist Organization Leader

And in the ultimate ironic twist, he’ll probably try to block Hagel’s nomination because he said we should try…doing exactly what Rand is doing.

DURP.

277 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:16:30am

re: #276 Ghost of Tom Joad

And in the ultimate ironic twist, he’ll probably try to block Hagel’s nomination because he said we should try…doing exactly what Rand is doing.

DURP.

Super Derp™

AKA, Republicans.

278 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:19:32am

Fascinating really. While Republicans are feigning outrage over Chuck Hagel and Israel, Israel, Israel, one of their shiny new Senators, Rand Paul, was chatting with Mahmoud Abbas, former chairman of the PLO and current President of the Palestinian National Authority. Imagine that. I mean, really.

279 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:19:54am

ummm
errrrr

FAU prof stirs controversy by disputing Newtown massacre

huh!?!?!?!
[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com…]

A communication professor known for conspiracy theories has stirred controversary at Florida Atlantic University with claims that last month’s Newtown, Conn., school shootings did not happen as reported — or may not have happened at all.

Moreover, James Tracy asserts in radio interviews and on his memoryholeblog.com. that trained “crisis actors” may have been employed by the Obama administration in an effort to shape public opinion in favor of the event’s true purpose: gun control

Dear professor Tracy,
On behalf of the people of Newtown Conn as well as children and parents everywhere, kindly GO FUCK YOURSELF

280 andres  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:20:00am

re: #255 iossarian

Military Industrial Complex. Look it up!

You also suffer from the delusion that people on the other side of the political spectrum have the same “my team good, your team bad” spectacles on as you do. Democrats do plenty of shitty things. They just do fewer of them than Republicans.

It’s not that they have fewer (tho they do): they are capable of marginalizating them.

281 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:23:48am

This is of course within the context of all the Tea Party crazies. At a certain point, things were different.

Image: Sharon_bush_abbas.jpg

282 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:24:25am

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Because it is entitlements that pose the greatest budgetary risk. They are the place where spending growth threatens to bankrupt the nation.

Bullshit. We increase the military budget without fail every goddamn year because Congress want to look tough and they want pork for their districts. They spend money on things that even the Pentagon doesn’t want or need.

We could safely cut the military budget by a third and still outspend every other country.

283 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:25:17am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

It bears saying that the program you are talking about was put in place under Democrats JFK and LBJ. The Dems also held both houses of Congress. So don’t try to lay blame for those chemwar programs on conservatives or the GOP, since we weren’t in power. You Donks did ‘em, you own ‘em.

You know more military history than that. The CW programs go back to pre-WWII.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

(They probably still have my blood samples in a closet at the head-shed.)

284 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:28:14am
285 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:33:07am

re: #281 Gus

This is of course within the context of all the Tea Party crazies. At a certain point, things were different.

Image: Sharon_bush_abbas.jpg

/photo caption: Everybody fights, no one quits. On three - I declare thumb war. Loser buys lunch.

Seriously though, the Palestinian-Israel conflict isn’t going to get resolved anytime soon. The Palestinians themselves have to reconcile what they want and who they want to be. Hamas may have allowed Fatah to hold demonstrations in Gaza, but they’re still not on the same page about what they want from Israel. Hamas continues to publicly call for Israel’s destruction and armed conflict. Fatah’s been far more coy.

But even the Arab-Israeli conflict is taking a back page to the ongoing Syrian civil war, which is having a far more critical impact on the region. The war threatens to spill over into Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey. Israel’s position has been to increase security along its DMZ with Syria, and has ordered construction of a reinforced barrier to deter jihadis and others from infiltrating into Israel.

Jordan has already seen riots in its refugee camps - refugees who are without heat as the temps have fallen and snow’s in the forecast (and heavy rain for those parts not cold enough). Lebanon’s got more problems than it can handle - Hizbullah with its own machinations, and a refugee crisis to boot.

Assad’s meat grinder continues running up the body count, and there’s no end in sight. With that as a backdrop, the Arab Israeli conflict has taken a backseat - and rightfully so.

But because it’s on the back burner means that there’s an opportunity for progress via backchannels. Fatah could potentially negotiate with Israel on a new security arrangement or larger framework and Fatah could work on a deal with Hamas without prying eyes or attention. Most of the past peace deals have come not when attention is focused on the conflict, but when people are looking elsewhere. Being out of the limelight allows the sides more flexibility in dealing than they could otherwise state in public pronoucements.

286 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:36:20am

re: #282 Lidane

It’s also entertaining for the GOP to claim that defense (govt) spending is about jobs, but when you create an actual govt jobs program for infrastructure they balk - saying that it’s pork or isn’t going to stimulate the economy.

Can’t have it both ways. Jobs are jobs, but some jobs add lasting value to the economy. Infrastructure jobs add value or maintain current value in the economy. Military jobs are useful - particularly on technology, but the amount of spending on the military at present is well above even what the Pentagon thinks is needed. Congress is keeping it at those inflated levels because of the jobs - even though the savings could be either passed on in the form of reduced deficits or as funds upon which infrastructure jobs could be created.

287 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:41:40am

re: #283 Decatur Deb

My reason for saying what I said was that I felt my faction was being blamed for things that should be ascribed to another faction. My whole aim was to turn that blame.

288 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:45:50am
289 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:46:04am

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

My reason for saying what I said was that I felt my faction was being blamed for things that should be ascribed to another faction. My whole aim was to turn that blame.

That sounds like you studied history in the Southeastern Conference.

290 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:47:53am

once again, it’s morning.
you?

291 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:49:26am

The stuff on their website is right out of a parody website like The Onion.

• The Citadel is not profit-driven. The Citadel is Liberty-driven: specifically Thomas Jefferson’s Rightful Liberty.
• Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.
• The Citadel Community will house between 3,500 and 7,000 patriotic American families who agree that being prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of Liberty — the Rifle — are prudent measures.
• There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from City Hall.
• If Liberty has been missing from the life of your family, consider the Citadel for your new home.
• Our children will be educated instead of indoctrinated.
• We intend to purchase at least 2,000 acres, although preferably 3,000 acres for the Citadel Community. A minimum of one square mile will be protected within our wall and towers (640 full acres!). Ideally, up to two full square miles will be protected behind the walls (1,280 acres)!!
• The Citadel Community is to be a bastion of Liberty in America.
• Every Patriot selected to live within the Citadel Community will voluntarily agree to follow the footsteps of our Founding Fathers by swearing to one another our lives, our fortunes and our Sacred Honor to defend one another and Liberty against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
• There is no person who can claim the title, “Leader” of the Citadel, nor will there be. The only “Leader” we have is the ideal of Jefferson’s Rightful Liberty.

292 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:50:14am
293 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:51:12am

Lone Suspect Held in Benghazi Attack Is Freed in Tunisia

The only known suspect jailed in connection with the deadly attack on the United States diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, was freed on Tuesday by the Tunisian authorities who had held him. His lawyer said he was released for lack of evidence.

The release dramatized the negligible progress in any investigation into the attack, which killed Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans on Sept. 11 last year. The feebleness of Libya’s transitional government since the fall of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi has stymied any progress despite what Benghazi residents describe as an abundance of leads.

294 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:52:32am

re: #289 Decatur Deb

That sounds like you studied history in the Southeastern Conference.

No, not at all. Though I may have been a bit trigger-happy, given that the US did indeed start work on chemwar well before Kennedy. But I am something of a faction fighter, and I couldn’t resist the chance to lay into another faction.

295 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:54:25am

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Nothing to see here
Move along!
/

(iirc, didn’t we send a contingent of FBI investigators to there? I don’t seem to recall any type of follow up report)

296 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:54:44am


One general and one captain.

297 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:54:58am

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Lone Suspect Held in Benghazi Attack Is Freed in Tunisia

Obama let him walk!!1 We should have used drones to blow up the courthouse instead. We’d only be killing Muslims, after all, not Real People!!1

/Pam ‘Shrieky’ Geller

298 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:55:25am

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

But I am something of a faction fighter, and I couldn’t resist the chance to lay into another faction.

How ‘bout we take chances to have dialogues, instead of trying for “Gotchya’ moments

299 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:55:41am

re: #296 Gus

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One general and one captain.

ZOMG they’re DISARMING us!!11!!ty

300 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:56:51am

re: #299 Interesting Times

Damn hippies! /

301 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:57:13am

re: #295 sattv4u2

Nothing to see here
Move along!
/

(iirc, didn’t we send a contingent of FBI investigators to there? I don’t seem to recall any type of follow up report)

I think the FBI guys were there for a couple hours. Not enough time to accomplish much of anything. I’m sure there’s plenty of stuff going on behind the scenes but the lack of visible progress is frustrating.

302 darthstar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:58:46am

Mornin’ everyone…ever wonder why they always wait for everyone to be half dead before harvesting the fat guy on a lifeboat? Yeah, that thought woke me up last night.

303 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:00:05am

re: #301 Killgore Trout

I think the FBI guys were there for a couple hours. Not enough time to accomplish much of anything. I’m sure there’s plenty of stuff going on behind the scenes but the lack of visible progress is frustrating.

The problem is that much of the counter-terrorist intel we gather either isn’t stuff we want to admit we know (because if we had to do so at a trial Al Qaeda would know how we spy on them and change its methods) or isn’t stuff that is admissible at trial.

304 darthstar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:01:41am

re: #293 Killgore Trout

BENGHAZI!

305 darthstar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:02:49am

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that much of the counter-terrorist intel we gather either isn’t stuff we want to admit we know (because if we had to do so at a trial Al Qaeda would know how we spy on them and change its methods) or isn’t stuff that is admissible at trial.

Actually, evidence is normally not necessary when it’s a trial by drone.

306 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:02:55am

re: #302 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone…ever wonder why they always wait for everyone to be half dead before harvesting the fat guy on a lifeboat? Yeah, that thought woke me up last night.

My friends and I decided long ago not to even let the fat guy INTO the life boat in the 1st place

1) he’d take up more space
2) he’d consume more of the provisions
3) upon losing weight he’d be crankier than the skinny guys
4) upon losing weight he’d be less attractive than the skinny guys, what with all that loose skin hanging

(yes,,, these discussions were held in after hours watering holes,, why do you ask??)

307 darthstar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:05:04am

re: #306 sattv4u2

4) upon losing weight he’d be less attractive than the skinny guys, what with all that loose skin hanging

You’re supposed to eat him, not fuck him.

308 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:05:25am

re: #307 darthstar

You’re supposed to eat him, not fuck him.

Doesn’t one lead to another?

309 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:05:50am

re: #305 darthstar

Actually, evidence is normally not necessary when it’s a trial by drone.

Yes, but this man was in police custody. Thus in order for him to have continued to be held, evidence of his guilt would have had to be presented. Even then it might not have done anything, since it questionable whether the prosecutors in Tunisia would have taken the risk to themselves of trying that level of terrorist.

310 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:06:36am

Oh brother, what an idiot…

New Jersey Senate President: Christie May Have ‘Prayed’ For Sandy To Come

TRENTON, N.J. (CBSNewYork/AP) — New Jersey Senate President Stephen Sweeney (D-Gloucester) said Monday that Gov. Chris Christie might have “prayed” for Superstorm Sandy, because it has provided cover for what Sweeney said are the governor’s failed economic policies.

Sweeney said the Republican governor’s jobs plan before Sandy was a disaster, and now the reconstruction will provide an economic boost through thousands of construction jobs.

“I guess he prayed a lot and got lucky because a storm came,” Sweeney said.

311 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:08:12am

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

Oh brother, what an idiot…

New Jersey Senate President: Christie May Have ‘Prayed’ For Sandy To Come

‘splains his rant about not getting Sandy Aid passed.

312 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:08:18am
313 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:08:25am

re: #291 Gus

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That’s really a riot—their answer to the Marxist Kenyan Muslim is to recreate a hippie commune.

314 darthstar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:09:07am

re: #308 sattv4u2

Doesn’t one lead to another?

I forgot you were from Georgia.

315 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:09:31am

re: #306 sattv4u2

My friends and I decided long ago not to even let the fat guy INTO the life boat in the 1st place

1) he’d take up more space
2) he’d consume more of the provisions
3) upon losing weight he’d be crankier than the skinny guys
4) upon losing weight he’d be less attractive than the skinny guys, what with all that loose skin hanging

(yes,,, these discussions were held in after hours watering holes,, why do you ask??)

That’s why I always carry my own long straw on a lifeboat.

316 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:09:45am

re: #314 darthstar

I forgot you were from Georgia.

LIVE in Georgia

Not FROM Georgia

317 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:12:00am
318 darthstar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:12:54am

re: #316 sattv4u2

LIVE in Georgia

Not FROM Georgia

:)

319 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:14:51am

I watched most of the Peirs Morgan/Alex Jones interview from that night. Piers did his side of the debate a disservice. The segment afterwards with David Horowitz was a stupid attempt to recover. Piers was either completely unprepared for the interview or they thought the strategy of letting Jones filibuster the entire segment was a good idea. The whole thing was poorly thought out.

320 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:16:25am
321 Stanghazi  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:18:17am

re: #307 darthstar

You’re supposed to eat him, not fuck him.

LOL

322 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:19:13am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

Peirs Morgan is an incompetent asshole who became a joke over in the UK and then came here.

323 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:19:29am

re: #320 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

…soon to apply for Russian citizenship with the rest of the wealthy French. Could this be some sort of takeover plot by the Russians. Once the entire country becomes Russian tax refugees the plan will be complete!

324 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:19:40am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

I watched most of the Peirs Morgan/Alex Jones interview from that night. Piers did his side of the debate a disservice. The segment afterwards with David Horowitz was a stupid attempt to recover. Piers was either completely unprepared for the interview or they thought the strategy of letting Jones filibuster the entire segment was a good idea. The whole thing was poorly thought out.

Only saw the highlight reel. It might be a good inoculation for moderates who are not familiar with Jones. No one who has Thanksgiving with a nutcase relative is going to sign up.

325 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:21:14am

re: #323 Killgore Trout

…soon to apply for Russian citizenship with the rest of the wealthy French. Could this be some sort of takeover plot by the Russians. Once the entire country becomes Russian tax refugees the plan will be complete!

I think they just want to corner the worlds escargot market!!

326 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:21:24am

re: #317 Gus

Yep. Because there’s no possible reason why the military would want their men and women to be limber and in shape (yoga) or be able to calm their minds (meditation).

None at all.

327 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:22:07am

re: #324 Decatur Deb

Only saw the highlight reel. It might be a good inoculation for moderates who are not familiar with Jones. No one who has Thanksgiving with a nutcase relative is going to sign up.

It hard to tell how the viewing public will interpret it but Jones is a skilled carnival barker. He mixed in enough stuff that went unchallenged that some viewers might think he made some food points.

328 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:22:46am

re: #326 Lidane

Yep. Because there’s no possible reason why the military would want their men and women to be limber and in shape (yoga) or be able to calm their minds (meditation).

None at all.

Yoga is the gateway to Jedi mind tricks!!

329 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:23:13am

David Bowie releases new single

and it is news …

330 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:23:28am

re: #327 Killgore Trout

It hard to tell how the viewing public will interpret it but Jones is a skilled carnival barker. He mixed in enough stuff that went unchallenged that some viewers might think he made some food points.

See how my mind control works,,,, now you have escargot on the mind!!

331 iossarian  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:23:34am

re: #328 Decatur Deb

I will stare at this goat until it EXPLODES!

332 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:23:48am

re: #326 Lidane

Yep. Because there’s no possible reason why the military would want their men and women to be limber and in shape (yoga) or be able to calm their minds (meditation).

None at all.

There are ill informed people who actually think Yoga is a religion.

333 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:24:57am

re: #323 Killgore Trout

…soon to apply for Russian citizenship with the rest of the wealthy French. Could this be some sort of takeover plot by the Russians. Once the entire country becomes Russian tax refugees the plan will be complete!

No, that’s never the Russian plan. The Russian plan involves aiming nuclear something-or-other at the US. Why? Because Americans won’t see the movie if its only Europe in peril, that’s why!

/Must I?

334 Kronocide  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:25:19am

re: #326 Lidane

Yep. Because there’s no possible reason why the military would want their men and women to be limber and in shape (yoga) or be able to calm their minds (meditation).

None at all.

How many times do I have to figure it out for you people?

Yoga —-> hummus —-> buttseks

335 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:25:31am

re: #331 iossarian

I will stare at this goat until it EXPLODES!

OK, George.

336 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:26:33am

re: #328 Decatur Deb

Yoga is a gateway to atheistic-Communist-Muslim-homosexuality.

//

337 darthstar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:27:12am

re: #334 Kronocide

How many times do I have to figure it out for you people?

Yoga —-> hummus —-> buttseks

That could lead to dancing.

338 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:28:59am

re: #337 darthstar

That could lead to dancing.

That doesn’t rhyme with Pool …

339 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:30:23am
340 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:31:10am

re: #339 Lidane

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Yes, that would be the mindset.

341 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:31:29am

re: #291 Gus

Sounds like most kingdom setups from the middle ages. Wonder who gets to hold the One Ring?

342 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:31:37am

re: #332 FemNaziBitch

There are ill informed people who actually think Yoga is a religion.

And they will protest to make their case…

Yoga Class Draws a Religious Protest

343 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:32:10am

re: #341 Eventual Carrion

Sounds like most kingdom setups from the middle ages. Wonder who gets to hold the One Ring?

The Dark Lord Soros, of course.

344 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:33:02am

re: #342 NJDhockeyfan

And they will protest to make their case…

Yoga Class Draws a Religious Protest

“They’re teaching children how to meditate and how to look within for peace and for comfort.

THE HORROR!

345 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:35:11am

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

The Dark Lord Soros, of course.

I thought Yogurt was distributing rings that he got out of Crackerjack boxes.
/

346 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:35:45am

re: #345 Feline Fearless Leader

I thought Yogurt was distributing rings that he got out of Crackerjack boxes.
/

Nah. That was Varek. ;)

347 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:36:20am

re: #342 NJDhockeyfan

And they will protest to make their case…

Yoga Class Draws a Religious Protest

Good. It will drive them to understand the need for the separation of church and state.

348 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:37:10am

re: #347 Decatur Deb

Good. It will drive them to understand the need for the separation of church and state.

I don’t think their minds twist quite that way.

349 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:37:54am

How many Hindu’s in America actually do the asanas?

350 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:38:56am

re: #348 FemNaziBitch

I don’t think their minds twist quite that way.

Then wait ‘til an archbishop in full drag shows up to lead the Catholics’ turn at school prayer.

351 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:40:08am
“They’re teaching children how to meditate and how to look within for peace and for comfort.

I wonder if that’s the issue afterall. Even though we are taught that G-d lives within each of us, Whacko™ Christians seem to need to look WITHOUT for someONE to tell them how to think, believe and behave.

352 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:41:18am

re: #350 Decatur Deb

Then wait ‘til an archbishop in full drag shows up to lead the Catholics’ turn at school prayer.

“Mom, that guy in the funny hat was at school today.”

353 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:43:37am

I wonder if Martial Arts would be ok. The mental exercises are quite similar.

354 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:44:12am

re: #351 FemNaziBitch

I wonder if that’s the issue afterall. Even though we are taught that G-d lives within each of us, Whacko™ Christians seem to need to look WITHOUT for someONE to tell them how to think, believe and behave.

These are people who do not understand what religion is and means, which is why they are so obsessed with symbols and gestures, because that is something that they can get their little pea brains wrapped around.

355 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:44:18am
356 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:45:23am

re: #354 Sol Berdinowitz

These are people who do not understand what religion is and means, which is why they are so obsessed with symbols and gestures, becuase that is something that they can get their little pea brains wrapped around.

I’ll never understand that mindset.

Then again, I read more than People Magazine and I don’t watch Reality TV.
(Unless you count C-SPAN)

357 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:47:01am

Speaking of Reading: I’m almost finished with Francis Fukuyana’s The Origins of Political Order.

If nothing but for the history, I’d recommend it. It has been most interesting. I’ve not been in a non-fiction bent lately, yet has kept my interest all the way thru.

358 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:47:03am
359 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:49:36am

This is stomach churning:

A 15-year-old in the Maldives whose father is accused of repeatedly raping her and killing the resulting baby risks being flogged for “fornication” with another man under the nation’s strict Islamic law, a police source said Monday.

In the course of inquiries into the rape case, investigators say they unearthed evidence of the girl having had consensual sex with another man, which is an offense in the Indian Ocean holiday destination, the source told AFP.

Women, including minors, having consensual sex outside marriage can be charged in the Maldives, where convicts can be publicly flogged. Minors receive the punishment when they reach 18, the age of majority.

The child’s step-father is accused by police of repeatedly raping the girl and fathering a child by her which he subsequently murdered. The girl’s mother has been charged with helping dispose of the infant’s body, police said.

“We completed the investigation (into the murder of the infant) and gave a report to the prosecutor general’s office,” Maldivian police spokesman Hassan Haneef told AFP by telephone.

He declined to give details saying that Maldivian common law did not allow the discussion of any case involving a minor.

The local Haveeru newspaper quoted an unnamed official from the prosecutor’s office saying that the fornication charge was unrelated to the rape which had been separately dealt with.

The legal system of the Maldives, a nation of 330,000 Sunni Muslims known for its coral-fringed islands and sandy beaches, has elements of Islamic Sharia law as well as English common law.

The country carries out the flogging of women despite calls from the UN Human Rights Council to drop the practice.

In September, a Maldivian court ordered a public flogging for a 16-year-old girl who confessed to having pre-marital sex. Her 29-year-old lover was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

360 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:49:43am

re: #358 NJDhockeyfan

This should get interesting…

Venezuela to rule on whether Hugo Chavez can stay in power

Yeah, I guess even the Church has weighed in on it.

Who is popping the popcorn?

361 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:54:35am
362 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:55:07am

re: #359 lawhawk

This is what halal butterball turkeys will lead to in America…

363 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:55:11am
Women, including minors, having consensual sex outside marriage can be charged in the Maldives, where convicts can be publicly flogged. Minors receive the punishment when they reach 18, the age of majority.

I have never understood devoting resources to controlling sex. The obvious misogyny is blatantly stupid.

364 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:55:42am

re: #361 Gus

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…So she applied for membership to the Association of Bragg Officers’ Spouses.

“I thought, ‘Here’s a chance to make some close friends who would really understand me,’ ” Broadway said. “And I could get very active in events that help other families like mine. I was excited, really excited, to be a part of this group.”

But the Bragg spouse club apparently didn’t feel the same way. Broadway’s married to Lt. Col. Heather Mack. The officers’ spouse club didn’t want her, she believes, because she’s gay…

365 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:55:50am

re: #362 Sol Berdinowitz

Fornicating butterballs?
Flogging butterballs?

/hey, those are great band names

366 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:56:10am

re: #365 lawhawk

Fornicating butterballs? /hey, that’s a great band name.

turkey twaddlers

367 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:57:08am

Old man winter visits Israel…

368 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:57:35am

re: #366 Sol Berdinowitz

turkey twaddlers

Phlogging the Pheasant—an Irish group.

369 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:58:20am

re: #367 NJDhockeyfan

Old man winter visits Israel…

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The good news is: the Kinneret is filling up again. Four years ago the water level was frighteningly low.

370 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:02:06am

re: #358 NJDhockeyfan

This should get interesting…

Venezuela to rule on whether Hugo Chavez can stay in power

Eh, not really. It’s constitutional clarification in a high visibility case. Despite the hyperbole it boils down to whether Chavez can wait till he is out of the hospital to take the oath or whether he has to be re-elected in a special election before he takes that oath. Oh, sure, he might not win the re-election. And the US House may approve the next budget Obama submits.

371 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:02:55am

re: #368 Decatur Deb

Phlogging the Pheasant—an Irish group.

Have a pheasant plucking day!

372 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:03:04am

re: #367 NJDhockeyfan

Israel gets snow a couple times a year, most of it on Mt. Hermon in the Golan. Occasionally, it falls in Jerusalem. This year, though, it’s concerns about flooding rains. Worst in a decade. Saw pictures of the Azreli mall flooded out, but Israelis took it in stride. They kept sipping their lattes at a coffee shop there even as the waters rose up in the lounge area.

373 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:07:03am

re: #370 kirkspencer

Eh, not really. It’s constitutional clarification in a high visibility case. Despite the hyperbole it boils down to whether Chavez can wait till he is out of the hospital to take the oath or whether he has to be re-elected in a special election before he takes that oath. Oh, sure, he might not win the re-election. And the US House may approve the next budget Obama submits.

I assume that if the cancer wins this issue is mute. What happens next, the VP takes over or is there a new election?

374 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:07:20am

re: #372 lawhawk

Saw pictures of the Azreli mall flooded out, but Israelis took it in stride. They kept sipping their lattes at a coffee shop there even as the waters rose up in the lounge area.

In one of those coffee shops is a guy named Noah who’s thinking to himself “you know, I shouldn’t have sent that email from God into the spam folder.”

375 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:07:30am

re: #369 Vicious Babushka

@kinbot tracks the levels. Any gain on the Kinneret is good news since the water levels have been really down the last couple of years, and the wet season hasn’t delivered enough rain.

And as bad as the drought has been on the Kinneret, it’s magnified with the Dead Sea drying up at a faster clip (the Dead Sea gets fed mostly from what little water remains in the Jordan River after siphoned off for use by Jordan, Palestinians, and Israelis for use).

376 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:08:48am

re: #366 Sol Berdinowitz

turkey twaddlers

Cindercluck
Iron Feather
Farmshadow
Beakgrinder

all turkey metal bands

377 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:09:03am

re: #375 lawhawk

@kinbot tracks the levels. Any gain on the Kinneret is good news since the water levels have been really down the last couple of years, and the wet season hasn’t delivered enough rain.

And as bad as the drought has been on the Kinneret, it’s magnified with the Dead Sea drying up at a faster clip (the Dead Sea gets fed mostly from what little water remains in the Jordan River after siphoned off for use by Jordan, Palestinians, and Israelis for use).

If the dead sea remains wet, how will I get my bath salts?

378 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:09:50am

re: #376 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Cindercluck
Iron Feather
Farmshadow
Beakgrinder

all turkey metal bands

Wild Turkey —is it the only alcohol named for the bird?

379 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:10:36am
380 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:10:39am

Now I’m confused. There are banded and bottled Wild Turkeys and Turkey bands.

am I getting this right?

381 Lidane  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:10:50am
382 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:11:32am

re: #377 FemNaziBitch

If the dead sea remains wet, how will I get my bath salts?

From Bath Salts Direct!

383 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:12:39am

Oh my!

384 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:13:55am

re: #377 FemNaziBitch

If the dead sea remains wet, how will I get my bath salts?

THE ZIONIST MALL!

385 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:14:13am

TEH DERP IZ DERPY

386 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:14:25am

re: #382 NJDhockeyfan

From Bath Salts Direct!

silly!

387 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:15:49am

re: #384 Vicious Babushka

THE ZIONIST MALL!

No lavender.

388 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:16:30am

re: #383 NJDhockeyfan

Oh my!

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on my fb

389 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:17:17am

re: #387 FemNaziBitch

No lavender.

There is Lavender. Scroll down.

390 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:19:21am

Oh crap some of the links are broken. I’ll have to fix them when I get home.

391 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:19:27am

re: #389 Vicious Babushka

There is Lavender. Scroll down.

ah!

392 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:20:14am

re: #390 Vicious Babushka

Oh crap some of the links are broken. I’ll have to fix them when I get home.

No, the one took me to the Ahava site directly and all their products. I found Lavender. Bookmarked for future purchase.

393 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:20:14am

re: #373 NJDhockeyfan

I assume that if the cancer wins this issue is mute. What happens next, the VP takes over or is there a new election?

New election within 30 days. Deputy acts during interim.

394 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:20:23am

re: #378 FemNaziBitch

Wild Turkey —is it the only alcohol named for the bird?

Well there is Old Grand-dad, and mine was a tough old bird.

395 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:20:38am
“Al Jazeera has bought Al Gore’s Current TV Network for $500 million — $500 million, that’s almost $10 million per viewer. That is a lot of money,”
~ Jay Leno

Heh.

397 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:21:09am

re: #395 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

But he could have sold it to Glenn Beck for more … . .

398 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:21:32am

re: #392 FemNaziBitch

No, the one took me to the Ahava site directly and all their products. I found Lavender. Bookmarked for future purchase.

I’m not sure if I get the partner commission if the product link is broken. There is a generic Ahava link on the Zionist Mall sidebar.

399 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:23:10am

re: #398 Vicious Babushka

I’m not sure if I get the partner commission if the link is broken.

no worries I won’t be ordering today or this week. funds are currently low. And I’m not out of my current supply.

400 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:24:52am

re: #397 FemNaziBitch

But he could have sold it to Glenn Beck for more … . .

It seems Al Gore’s staffers are a bit upset with him.

Current situation: Staffers talk about first meeting with Al Jazeera

Yesterday morning, the still shell shocked staff at Current TV was called to an all hands staff meeting at its San Francisco headquarters, which was teleconferenced to their offices in LA and NYC, to meet their new bosses.

That would be two of Al Jazeera’s top guys: Ehab Al Shihabi, executive director of international operations, and Muftah AlSuwaidan, general manager of the London bureau.

Ominously missing was the creator of Current, the self proclaimed inventor of the Internet and savior of clean energy, Al Gore, although his partner, Joel Hyatt, stood proudly with the Al Jazeera honchos.

“Of course Al didn’t show up,” said one high placed Current staffer. “He has no credibility.

“He’s supposed to be the face of clean energy and just sold [the channel] to very big oil, the emir of Qatar! Current never even took big oil advertising—and Al Gore, that bulls***ter sells to the emir?”

The meeting, while not contentious, was, according to staffers who spoke on the condition of anonymity, miserable.

The mostly left-leaning group—some still in denial —weren’t buying what Al Jazeera was selling.

And what are they selling? Al Jazeera’s image of —are you ready?— “inform, inspire and entertain!”

…The displeasure with Gore among the staff was thick enough to cut with a scimitar.

“We all know now that Al Gore is nothing but a bulls***ter,” said the staffer bluntly.

We do stories on the tax code, and he sells the network before the tax code kicked in?

“Al was always lecturing us about green. He kept his word about green all right—as in cold, hard cash!”

Ouch.

401 danarchy  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:26:11am

re: #395 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

Not too far off the mark. I was listening to some folks on NPR talking about it a few days back and they said CurrentTV had about 40000 viewers per week. There are youtube channels filmed on crappy web cams in a basement that get more viewers than that.

402 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:26:18am

FAIL

403 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:27:43am

re: #385 Vicious Babushka

TEH DERP IZ DERPY

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Holy crap, so that’s why I see that sometimes. Jeez…

404 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:27:48am

re: #401 danarchy

“He’s supposed to be the face of clean energy and just sold [the channel] to very big oil, the emir of Qatar! Current never even took big oil advertising—and Al Gore, that bulls***ter sells to the emir?”

Hubby was telling me about it the other day.

Our Elites are getting stupider and stupider.

405 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:28:26am

I’m so glad I never got involved in trying to Tweet.

406 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:29:34am

re: #405 FemNaziBitch

I’m so glad I never got involved in trying to Tweet.

I have no twitter or FB accounts. Life is good.

407 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:29:46am

*FACE PALM*
*FACE PALM*
*FACE PALM*

In case you don’t know who
Ted Cruz is (I didn’t) he was born in Canada.

408 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:30:27am

re: #406 NJDhockeyfan

I have no twitter or FB accounts. Life is good.

I like fb. I just bought girl scout cookies from a friend’s kid on fb. I never see her anymore and wouldn’t have a clue about her life without fb.

409 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:30:31am

re: #405 FemNaziBitch

I’m so glad I never got involved in trying to Tweet.

I have no problems on Twitter. People that troll each other all the time will however.

410 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:31:48am
411 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:32:58am

re: #409 Gus

I have no problems on Twitter. People that troll each other all the time will however.

I guess I don’t see the need for me to have another “instant” social media connection.

412 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:33:15am

re: #400 NJDhockeyfan

The New York Post again, with another unsourced story. Did they ever correct their totally false unsourced report that the guy arrested in NY was an “OWS organizer?”

No? Imagine my surprise. But why should they correct falsehoods, when people will just keep circulating the lies for them?

413 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:33:44am

re: #410 Gus

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AIG’s entire corporate staff should be dragged out and hung in the public square (along with executives at the TBTF banks). These people have no fucking souls.

414 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:34:19am

re: #412 Charles Johnson

The New York Post again, with another unsourced story. Did they ever correct their totally false unsourced report that the guy arrested in NY was an “OWS organizer?”

No? Imagine my surprise. But why should they correct falsehoods, when people will just keep circulating the lies for them?

ah! I was wondering. Hubby usually get’s his info from Fox News and such. I thought it was strange to get nearly the exact same story from an LGF post.

But, stranger things have happened … .

415 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:35:13am

re: #413 Ghost of Tom Joad

AIG’s entire corporate staff should be dragged out and hung in the public square (along with executives at the TBTF banks). These people have no fucking souls.

The lack of perceived justice for those that have fucked-up the economy for blatant personal greed is a problem.

Voters need to see that the law applies equally.

416 bratwurst  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:35:16am

re: #412 Charles Johnson

The New York Post again, with another unsourced story. Did they ever correct their totally false unsourced report that the guy arrested in NY was an “OWS organizer?”

No? Imagine my surprise. But why should they correct falsehoods, when people will just keep circulating the lies for them?

Hey, this must mean it’s time for NJDHF to go to work!

417 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:35:18am

re: #408 FemNaziBitch

I like fb. I just bought girl scout cookies from a friend’s kid on fb. I never see her anymore and wouldn’t have a clue about her life without fb.

My wife has a FB account. I would waste a lot of time if I had it. I do enough of that already.

418 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:35:26am

re: #400 NJDhockeyfan

It seems Al Gore’s staffers are a bit upset with him.

Current situation: Staffers talk about first meeting with Al Jazeera

Ouch.

Once I saw “self proclaimed inventor of the Internet” I knew it was a hatchet job with probably little footing in the real world.

419 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:36:18am

re: #418 Eventual Carrion

Once I saw “self proclaimed inventor of the Internet” I knew it was a hatchet job with probably little footing in the real world.

good point. I wasn’t paying attention.

420 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:36:41am

Is twitting a good way to keep up on legislation that is in the works?

421 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:36:44am

re: #400 NJDhockeyfan

It seems Al Gore’s staffers are a bit upset with him.

Current situation: Staffers talk about first meeting with Al Jazeera

Ouch.

Al Gore Richer Than Mitt Romney After Current TV Sale: Forbes

The former Vice President sold his Current TV network to Al Jeezera for a reported $500 million last week, a move that will make him worth at least $300 million, according to an estimation by Forbes. That’s more than Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who is worth about $250 million, according to a September estimate from Bloomberg.

422 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:37:38am

re: #420 FemNaziBitch

Depends on who you’re following and the kind of legislation (fed/state/local).

423 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:38:52am

re: #402 Vicious Babushka

FAIL

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This morning I was reading the timeline of @CharlieProfit, a conservative guy who keeps trying to tell the ppl joining #TGDN that it isn’t going to work and will probably even hurt them because it makes conservatives look stupid & angry and provides a big, fat, convenient target for the opposition.

He also keeps reminding them that Twitter is a privately owned company so “free speech” doesn’t apply and the company can implement whatever rules they please, having 3K or more followers won’t protect anyone, and maybe if they stopped tweeting to ppl who don’t want to hear from them, then they’d stop getting suspended.

Naturally, it’s all to no avail. They just call him names.

424 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:40:59am

re: #422 lawhawk

Depends on who you’re following and the kind of legislation (fed/state/local).

My brain just doesn’t have much more RAM available. I have a feeling that effort of learning twitter will outweigh any benefit.

I feel old.

425 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:42:08am
426 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:42:25am

re: #421 Killgore Trout

Al Gore Richer Than Mitt Romney After Current TV Sale: Forbes

And he didn’t have to spend as much of it to get more votes than GWB.

427 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:42:48am

re: #423 CuriousLurker

This morning I was reading the timeline of @CharlieProfit who keeps trying to tell the ppl joining #TGDN that it isn’t going to work and will probably even hurt them because it makes conservatives look stupid & angry and provides a big, fat, convenient target for the opposition.

He also keeps reminding them that Twitter is a privately owned company so “free speech” doesn’t apply, therefore they can implement whatever rules they please, that having 3K or more followers won’t protect them, and and that maybe if they stopped tweeting to ppl who don’t want to hear from them, then they’d stop getting suspended.

Naturally, it’s all to no avail. They just call him names.

Yeah, I posted a couple of his Tweets when this got started. He actually makes sense from a rational point of view. They won’t listen to him of course which is fine with me.

428 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:44:11am

re: #421 Killgore Trout

Since no one has ever seen a full accounting of Mitt Romney’s wealth, it’s curious that Forbes would make such a statement. One might almost suspect the right wing media of having an agenda. I know, perish the thought.

429 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:45:22am

re: #410 Gus

They’re going to sue the guys that gave them the bailout and then turned a profit on them of $22.7b?

Their theory is what exactly? That the government shouldn’t have been able to turn a profit on their bailout? That the government imposed high interest rates?

After all, AIG could have chosen bankruptcy and liquidated or reorganized wiping all of its shareholders out in the process.

Banks routinely charge higher interest rates on those who are considered credit risks. AIG and other big banks have no problems imposing usurious rates on individuals who have poor, low, or bad credit. They whine when the government imposed what would otherwise be decent rates on them - claiming that they were too high.

430 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:45:24am

re: #428 Charles Johnson

Since no one has ever seen a full accounting of Mitt Romney’s wealth, it’s curious that Forbes would make such a statement. One might almost suspect the right wing media of having an agenda. I know, perish the thought.

Perhaps his is one of the names that may or may not have to be documented in the Swiss Bank suit.

431 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:46:09am

re: #429 lawhawk

They’re going to sue the guys that gave them the bailout and then turned a profit on them of $22.7b?

Their theory is what exactly? That the government shouldn’t have been able to turn a profit on their bailout? That the government imposed high interest rates?

After all, AIG could have chosen bankruptcy and liquidated or reorganized wiping all of its shareholders out in the process.

Banks routinely charge higher interest rates on those who are considered credit risks. AIG and other big banks have no problems imposing usurious rates on individuals who have poor, low, or bad credit. They whine when the government imposed what would otherwise be decent rates on them - claiming that they were too high.

Some animals are more equal than others … .and they have good lawyers.

432 brennant  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:46:10am

re: #428 Charles Johnson

Who’s Mitt Romney?

/

433 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:46:50am

re: #332 FemNaziBitch

There are ill informed people who actually think Yoga is a religion.

There are ill informed people who think it is Satanism.

434 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:46:55am

POE’S LAW
Is @BarryWirth a real wingnut or a parody?

435 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:48:03am

re: #433 Romantic Heretic

There are ill informed people who think it is Satanism.

Just opens the door (mind) for satan to come in, you know like yawning.

436 brennant  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:48:59am

re: #433 Romantic Heretic

There are ill informed people who think it is Satanism.

When you see downward dog, you know the Hairy Host of Hell is involved.

437 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:49:09am

re: #433 Romantic Heretic

There are ill informed people who think it is Satanism.

I was able to make peace with the RC church because of my Yoga practice. I’m not a religious person, but it is far healthier to get rid of the bad stuff one harbors than not.

And, I never, not once, in Yoga class or reading learned a thing about Hinduism. I know a few sanskirt words tho… .

438 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:49:37am

re: #436 brennant

When you see downward dog, you know the Hairy Host of Hell is involved.

I forgot about that one —and sneezing!

439 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:50:31am

re: #431 FemNaziBitch

Well, the suit will definitely enrich some law firms in NYC and DC, but I don’t think the suit has legs considering that AIG had essentially four options - collapse (liquidate); reorganize; be bought out; or bailout. No one was going to buy it with its ledger sheet a complete mess. Bankruptcy under either Ch 7 or 11 was a possibility, with reorganization the more likely path, but the bailout was the option that best preserved the company’s assets and allowed everyone to keep money flowing in to credit markets.

440 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:51:39am

re: #427 Gus

Yeah, I posted a couple of his Tweets when this got started. He actually makes sense from a rational point of view. They won’t listen to him of course which is fine with me.

That’s where I saw his name before—I knew I’d seen it somewhere. Yeah, they’re their own worst enemy. They seem to be completely unaware of how ridiculous they sound to rational people. I mean, the guy is very conservative, religious, the whole nine yards. They won’t even believe one of their own.

It made me LOL because he’s saying the exact same things Charles has been saying since this whole Twitter gulag conspiracy nonsense started last year. Go figure.

441 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:52:35am

re: #439 lawhawk

Well, the suit will definitely enrich some law firms in NYC and DC, but I don’t think the suit has legs considering that AIG had essentially four options - collapse (liquidate); reorganize; be bought out; or bailout. No one was going to buy it with its ledger sheet a complete mess. Bankruptcy under either Ch 7 or 11 was a possibility, with reorganization the more likely path, but the bailout was the option that best preserved the company’s assets and allowed everyone to keep money flowing in to credit markets.

Well, it’s all about the lawyers making money isn’t it?

File some suits, put up a smoke screen, throw-out a red herring or two and buy enough time for the client to do what ever they are currently doing… .

Sorry, I know it seems cynical, but I don’t think half of the rhetoric is serious. It’s just another chess move, they’ll risk a pawn or two.

442 Mattand  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:52:57am

re: #423 CuriousLurker

This morning I was reading the timeline of @CharlieProfit, a conservative guy who keeps trying to tell the ppl joining #TGDN that it isn’t going to work and will probably even hurt them because it makes conservatives look stupid & angry and provides a big, fat, convenient target for the opposition.

He also keeps reminding them that Twitter is a privately owned company so “free speech” doesn’t apply, therefore they can implement whatever rules they please, that having 3K or more followers won’t protect them, and and that maybe if they stopped tweeting to ppl who don’t want to hear from them, then they’d stop getting suspended.

Naturally, it’s all to no avail. They just call him names.

What’s interesting is that based on a small sampling of Charlie’s tweets, he’s probably got RWNJ syndrome. Yet even he realizes that #tgdn and gulag are nonsense.

443 geoffm33  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:53:29am

re: #434 Vicious Babushka

How cute:

BarryWirth logic: Native American’s aren’t people

444 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:54:41am

re: #443 geoffm33

How cute:

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Welcome Hatchling!

445 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:55:11am

re: #443 geoffm33

How cute:

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I think it’s a parody account. The misspelling of the screen name just gave it away.

446 geoffm33  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:56:30am

re: #445 Vicious Babushka

The more I read, the more I realized you are right :) Didn’t even notice the misspelling!

447 geoffm33  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:58:08am

re: #444 FemNaziBitch

Thanks glad to be here

448 Mattand  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:58:27am

re: #428 Charles Johnson

Since no one has ever seen a full accounting of Mitt Romney’s wealth, it’s curious that Forbes would make such a statement. One might almost suspect the right wing media of having an agenda. I know, perish the thought.

Because they’re all the same so shut up.

///

449 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:00:18am

Brat Puppy insists on stretching out just behind my office chair. The result is that when I scootch back even a bit, the wheels of the chair pinch him. He yelps. Old Man Dawg, OTOH, lays a few inches back and put’s his weight against the bookshelf. I can scootch the chair back far enough to get up. Old Man Dawg does not want his sleep interrupted.

Yes, scootch is a word.

450 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:01:07am

re: #412 Charles Johnson

The New York Post again, with another unsourced story. Did they ever correct their totally false unsourced report that the guy arrested in NY was an “OWS organizer?”

No? Imagine my surprise. But why should they correct falsehoods, when people will just keep circulating the lies for them?

It also came out that the dude never attended Harvard which was reported by a lot of news outlets. He might have just been telling lies to neighbors.It still wouldn;t surprise me if he spent some time with the occupiers, drugs, drum circles, 24 hour party seems like his kind of thing. Either way it doesn’t seem like there was a politically motivated plot with the explosives that we know of. I still think there had to be some sort of plan for something, selling them, killing rich parents for inheritance of something. It seems like a lot of trouble to make the explosives just for fun but I suppose that’s a possibility too.

451 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:01:47am
1. scootch 32 up, 13 down
The act of moving and scooting at the same time.
Debora said to Jason, “Scootch your ass over here.”
buy scootch mugs & shirts
move scoot slide advance locomote
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2. Scootch 63 up, 35 down
A unit of measure - the distance a dog can drag it’s butt across the floor. This term can thus be used to describe any short distance.
“Can you move over a scootch or two?”

“I think they are several scootches ahead of us”

“Wow! look how far Rover scootched on the new rug!”

452 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:03:39am

re: #451 FemNaziBitch

A unit of measure - the distance a dog can drag it’s butt across the floor. This term can thus be used to describe any short distance.

We always termed that a “Waggin’ trail”.

453 Mattand  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:03:57am

re: #450 Killgore Trout

It also came out that the dude never attended Harvard which was reported by a lot of news outlets. He might have just been telling lies to neighbors.It still wouldn;t surprise me if he spent some time with the occupiers, drugs, drum circles, 24 hour party seems like his kind of thing. Either way it doesn’t seem like there was a politically motivated plot with the explosives that we know of. I still think there had to be some sort of plan for something, selling them, killing rich parents for inheritance of something. It seems like a lot of trouble to make the explosives just for fun but I suppose that’s a possibility too.

So he might have lied about something at some point, therefore the Post was absolutely justified in stating he was an OWS organizer.

454 boredtechindenver  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:04:03am

re: #439 lawhawk

Well, the suit will definitely enrich some law firms in NYC and DC, but I don’t think the suit has legs considering that AIG had essentially four options - collapse (liquidate); reorganize; be bought out; or bailout. No one was going to buy it with its ledger sheet a complete mess. Bankruptcy under either Ch 7 or 11 was a possibility, with reorganization the more likely path, but the bailout was the option that best preserved the company’s assets and allowed everyone to keep money flowing in to credit markets.

It would also kill their new ad campaign

455 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:04:09am

re: #423 CuriousLurker

This morning I was reading the timeline of @CharlieProfit, a conservative guy who keeps trying to tell the ppl joining #TGDN that it isn’t going to work and will probably even hurt them because it makes conservatives look stupid & angry and provides a big, fat, convenient target for the opposition.

He also keeps reminding them that Twitter is a privately owned company so “free speech” doesn’t apply and the company can implement whatever rules they please, having 3K or more followers won’t protect anyone, and maybe if they stopped tweeting to ppl who don’t want to hear from them, then they’d stop getting suspended.

Naturally, it’s all to no avail. They just call him names.

#cassandra

456 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:05:39am

The narrative will find any post in a storm.

457 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:05:56am

The newest Little Friend’s Photos on fb:

cheek nibblercheek nibbler -

458 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:06:45am
459 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:07:06am

re: #454 boredtechindenver

It would also kill their new ad campaign

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Is that similar to the GM repayment?

460 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:07:24am

re: #455 Decatur Deb

#cassandra

Perfect.

461 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:37:05am

re: #450 Killgore Trout

It also came out that the dude never attended Harvard which was reported by a lot of news outlets.

No, the false report about Harvard also originated with the New York Post. Their story was full of stuff they apparently just made up.

He might have just been telling lies to neighbors.

Right. It couldn’t have been the New York Post making things up. They never do that.

It still wouldn;t surprise me if he spent some time with the occupiers, drugs, drum circles, 24 hour party seems like his kind of thing.

Oh, for Pete’s sake.

462 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:52:11am

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