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Breitbrat Ben Shapiro: The Left Won Because They’re Big Meanies

A vast army of Obama thugs is viciously bullying Ben Shapiro
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In the Wingnut Welfare department, breitbart.com is hyping a new book by young Ben Shapiro, who’s having another tantrum about the mean horrible liberals and their rotten awful bullying, a topic that never gets old at the house that Andrew built: MEET THE ‘BULLIES’: BREITBART EDITOR EXPOSES OBAMA’S ARMY OF THUGS IN NEW BOOK!

Ben is very angry and he wants to punch someone.

The left won this election because they bullied. And the right lost because they did not fight back. Now the left has trained its guns once again on the Tea Party. We’re terrorists. We’re hostage takers. We’re racists and bigots and homophobes. Why? Because we have the temerity to want government to live within its means.

The left is filled with vicious bullies. And we must not treat them with civility. In the words of Barack Obama, we must punch them back, twice as hard.

I learned that message from Andrew Breitbart.

Yes, Ben, we know.

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603 comments

1 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:16:25pm

Professional victimhood, by Ben Shaprio and Breitbart.com. Seriously, this is the website whose namesake worked his ass off to get a woman fired for something she didn’t even do and Ben Shapiro is claiming that the left are the bullies? Projection Ben, it’s not safe, you’ll stretch your eye out.

2 Skip Intro  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:17:00pm
We’re terrorists. We’re hostage takers. We’re racists and bigots and homophobes.

Why yes, Ben, you are. Acknowledging that is a good first step.

3 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:17:11pm

There really is nothing sadder and more pathetic than bullies whining that the other guy is being mean to them.

4 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:17:34pm

I love how Sandra Fluke is a bully but the fat prick who called her a slut is just fine.

5 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:18:26pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

I love how Sandra Fluke is a bully but the fat prick who called her a slut is just fine.

You ever notice that the Right considers anybody who fights back to be a “bully”?

6 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:18:35pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

There really is nothing sadder and more pathetic than bullies whining that the other guy is being mean to them.

They’re like the bully in school who has finally had people (read the Democrats since Obama’s become the standard bearer) finally stood up to him and tell him that he’s a bully and they’ve had enough of his crap.

7 Skip Intro  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:18:51pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

I love how Sandra Fluke is a bully but the fat prick who called her a slut is just fine.

It must be because she used her woman powers to drive him to it.

8 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:19:12pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

You ever notice that the Right considers anybody who fights back to be a “bully”?

Yeah I have now that you mention. Could be anywhere from a “slutty” woman, “uppity minority” or “bigoted gay.”

9 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:19:40pm

re: #7 Skip Intro

It must be because she used her woman powers to drive him to it.

Yep, she retroactively taught him the term Feminazi which he’s been using for years!

10 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:21:13pm

Think the only thing funnier than this was Krauthammer whining the other day that Obama has been working to get the GOP to fight amongst itself, that he’s accomplished his “goal” of starting a civil war amongst the Republican ranks.

11 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:22:19pm

I suggest Ben join the new Gulog gang…They are all victems banding together to fight the good war..and skirt the Twiitter TOS.

12 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:22:19pm

We’re tough, we’re strong, we are the superior, godly people who know the truth. OMG, someone disagreed with us. Bullies!

13 Skip Intro  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:23:02pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Think the only thing funnier than this was Krauthammer whining the other day that Obama has been working to get the GOP to fight amongst itself, that he’s accomplished his “goal” of starting a civil war amongst the Republican ranks.

Did Kranky really say that? I know he slid off the rails some time ago, but that’s pure Fox News drivel. I thought he was supposed to be smart.

14 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:23:06pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Think the only thing funnier than this was Krauthammer whining the other day that Obama has been working to get the GOP to fight amongst itself, that he’s accomplished his “goal” of starting a civil war amongst the Republican ranks.

He’s been whining a lot lately.

15 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:24:41pm

re: #13 Skip Intro

Did Kranky really say that? I know he slid off the rails some time ago, but that’s pure Fox News drivel. I thought he was supposed to be smart.

supposed to. But yeah he did say that. He also was bitching at POTUS because “he should have known that it would be raining the night of his convention speech.” Honestly, I always thought Krauthammer’s rep as a conservative intellectual was overblown. I mean maybe he at one point wasn’t on a Limbaugh like level of derptitude but I always thought he was a hack and I get a good dosage of Krauthamemr in the WaPo.

16 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:26:00pm

Also noteworthy was John “Chelsea Clinton’s mother is Hillary Clinton and father is Janet Reno” McCain complaining about Obama’s tone when talking about Congress. These guys need to talk to Tom from the movie Office Space because the Jump to Conclusions Mat would be a perfect gift for all of them.

17 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:26:06pm

Ben Shapiro reminds me of Grover Dill.

18 Skip Intro  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:26:52pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

I mean maybe he at one point wasn’t on a Limbaugh like level of derptitude but I always thought he was a hack and I get a good dosage of Krauthamemr in the WaPo.

Well, it could be worse. You could get the LA Times and get to read Jonah Goldberg’s whining instead.

19 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:27:24pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

Actually Ben Shapiro looks disturbingly like my cousin’s son. Fortunately, said young man is much smarter.

20 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:27:32pm
21 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:27:50pm

re: #13 Skip Intro

Did Kranky really say that? I know he slid off the rails some time ago, but that’s pure Fox News drivel. I thought he was supposed to be smart.

He did indeed:

Krauthammer Blames Obama For GOP Civil War

This came a couple weeks after he suggested, again on Fox News, that Obama’s initial fiscal cliff deal was worse than the terms presented to Lee at Appomattox and that the GOP should have just walked away, because the resulting recession would help them in ‘14.

22 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:28:00pm

re: #18 Skip Intro

Well, it could be worse. You could get the LA Times and get to read Jonah Goldberg’s whining instead.

Yeah I could. Nothing tops Mr. Liberals are Nazis and I fantasize about beating up left wing college student Marxists.

23 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:29:20pm

You gotta love Krauthammer though. Derrrrrrrrr, it’s Obama’s fault that the GOP is internal conflict. I guess in a perverted sense it is Obama’s fault because he is everything the modern Republican Party hates. But jealousy and stupidity are no way to go through life son.

24 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:31:19pm

Notice that in the world of Breitbart, even Sandra Fluke is a thug and a bully. I think she scares Ben most of all.

25 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:34:04pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Notice that in the world of Breitbart, even Sandra Fluke is a thug and a bully. I think she scares Ben most of all.

It really must be a surreal world where Sandra Fluke is a thug and bully but where Rush Limbaugh is a kindly gentleman who is only magnanimous to those he disagrees with. I really think if Limbaugh had never called her a slut, she wouldn’t be as well known. But hey Limbaugh pissed off the wrong woman and he’s paying for it.

26 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:34:29pm

No Ben, you (Republicans) lost the election, because in your own words, We’re terrorists. We’re hostage takers. We’re racists and bigots and homophobes. These traits due tend to turn off those of us who are moderates and tend to encourage us to cast our vote for the candidate who more closely matches our ideals. In my case, that was PBO, not the poorly programed bot your party chose to run.

27 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:35:23pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

The reactionary right is in full whine mode.

I just checked over at NRO to see if there are parallels running concurrently with the Shapiro tears… and the first thing I see is “New Liberal Aristocracy” in big bold letters, accompanied by one of those photos of Obama swimming in the ocean, with a subtitle of “Our high-living class warriors.

Yes, somehow swimming in the ocean makes one an aristocrat. I’ll have to remember that next time I go down to the beach and see all those blue-bloods in the ocean.

And yes, who else but VDH could output such lexically crafted whine.

Whine, whine, whine - that is all they’ve got these days.

28 BongCrodny  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:35:53pm

Apparently, gerrymandering the fuck out of Congressional districts doesn’t count as “fighting back.”

29 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:36:26pm

Good Evening Lizards..Sorry about my first post..My English sucks and didn’t mean to hit post..I wanted to spell check..Which reminds me..Using the edit button there is no spell check and the other night I hated my post so I went into edit and deleted the whole post but that doesn’t work either.
Charles can we get spell check and/or delete the post within the 15 minute window? I thought self delete of any post but it should be within 15 minutes.
That way if someone disagrees with you you could just delete the post saying..I don’t know what you are talking about..Not good..

30 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:37:20pm

re: #27 freetoken

The reactionary right is in full whine mode.

Yes, somehow swimming in the ocean makes one an aristocrat. I’ll have to remember that next time I go down to the beach and see all those blue-bloods in the ocean.

Swimming in the ocean in the Bay Area gives you blue lips, if not blue blood. (The water is always cold, for those of you not familiar with it.)

31 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:37:29pm

OT:

It’s impossible to determine if this is a new low for Limbaugh or not:

Rush Limbaugh: Marriage Equality Is Helping To ‘Normalize Pedophilia’

32 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:37:50pm

re: #27 freetoken

The reactionary right is in full whine mode.

I just checked over at NRO to see if there are parallels running concurrently with the Shapiro tears… and the first thing I see is “New Liberal Aristocracy” in big bold letters, accompanied by one of those photos of Obama swimming in the ocean, with a subtitle of “Our high-living class warriors.

Yes, somehow swimming in the ocean makes one an aristocrat. I’ll have to remember that next time I go down to the beach and see all those blue-bloods in the ocean.

And yes, who else but VDH could output such lexically crafted whine.

Whine, whine, whine - that is all they’ve got these days.

Reminds me of when Santorum called Obama a snob for suggesting that every American child should get some form of higher education. And if swimming in the ocean makes you an aristocrat, just call me the Prince of Wales! But yeah this is funny coming from the same people who defended Mitt Romney who actually is an aristocratic snob.

33 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:38:23pm

ben’s picture makes him look about 15 but it seems he is about 28

sure is a whiny little bastard

34 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:38:50pm

re: #30 calochortus

Swimming in the ocean in the Bay Area gives you blue lips, if not blue blood. (The water is always cold, for those of you not familiar with it.)

I swam while I was in Santa Cruz last summer. A little cold for my East Coast blood at first but by the end of it: Me, my Dad, and my brother were loving it.

35 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:40:04pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

I wonder if there is any self awareness among the buyers of that VDH tripe in that regard - their hero Mitt Romney is the classic wealthy jet-set person, but somehow that made him fabulous in their eyes.

36 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:40:30pm

VDH by the way is another “conservative intellectual” who doesn’t really deserve the title. Yes, he knows more in his pinky about Ancient Greece and civilization than I ever will but his analysis of modern politics are those of a partisan hack.

37 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:40:40pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

OT:

It’s impossible to determine if this is a new low for Limbaugh or not:

Rush Limbaugh: Marriage Equality Is Helping To ‘Normalize Pedophilia’

Yeah, this seems to be the new meme, stupid as it may be.
Explain to me again how you can compare an unequal relationship in which one person (the child) cannot legally consent, to a relationship between consenting adults.

38 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:41:29pm

re: #35 freetoken

I wonder if there is any self awareness among the buyers of that VDH tripe in that regard - their hero Mitt Romney is the classic wealthy jet-set person, but somehow that made him fabulous in their eyes.

The guy was frigging central casting to be a wealthy WASP(I realize Mormons aren’t technically Protestant) villain in a film.

39 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:41:40pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

He did indeed:

Krauthammer Blames Obama For GOP Civil War

This came a couple weeks after he suggested, again on Fox News, that Obama’s initial fiscal cliff deal was a worse than the terms presented to Lee at Appomattox and that the GOP should have just walked away, because the resulting recession would help them in ‘14.

Terrible analogy. It’s my understanding that the terms worked out between Grant, Lee, and some good booze at Appomattox were unexpectedly generous to Lee’s side —notwithstanding the conversion of most of Lee’s personal estate into a burial ground.

40 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:42:14pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Notice that in the world of Breitbart, even Sandra Fluke is a thug and a bully. I think she scares Ben most of all.

In the wingnut Bizarro World, “Sandra Fluke” demanded that taxpayers pay for all of her birth control. In real life, Sandra Fluke never said any such thing.

In the wingnut Bizarro World, Obama raised everyone’s taxes! In real life, the GOP refused to extend the temporary payroll tax cut.

In the wingnut Bizarro World, Obama is a Communist Nazi Totalitarian who sends people to the gulag. In real life, wingnuts get their Twitter accounts suspended for TOS.

I could go on and on.

41 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:42:39pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

I swam while I was in Santa Cruz last summer. A little cold for my East Coast blood at first but by the end of it: Me, my Dad, and my brother were loving it.

Santa Cruz is actually a little warmer than it is just a bit further north. We used to stay in until our mom noted our lips had turned bluish and we needed to get out for a while. I can’t tell you what a shock it was when we went to Hawaii and the ocean water was warm!

42 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:43:00pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

VDH is one in a very long list of previous academics who, after acquiring some expertise in a particular field and getting recognized for it, goes out into other subject matters and sells themselves as the last word on those other subjects.

It is a text book fallacy, but people readily fall for it.

43 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:44:06pm

The Left Won Because

anything to avoid realizing your “philosophy” is a played-out scam

44 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:44:37pm

re: #41 calochortus

Santa Cruz is actually a little warmer than it is just a bit further north. We used to stay in until our mom noted our lips had turned bluish and we needed to get out for a while. I can’t tell you what a shock it was when we went to Hawaii and the ocean water was warm!

I figured as much after reading about the guys who escaped Alcatraz. What a beautiful drive down by the way from San Francisco to Santa Cruz. I’m used to the Maryland through North Carolina water so the Pacific was a little cold for me at first but I adapted. Next stop: The other side of the Atlantic which I’ve seen but not yet swam in.

45 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:44:43pm

Shorter VDH:

I’m am expert of ancient Greek warfare.
Therefore, ALGORE!, and Obama is a evul, and Mexicans are dirty.

46 Skip Intro  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:44:50pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

OT:

It’s impossible to determine if this is a new low for Limbaugh or not:

Rush Limbaugh: Marriage Equality Is Helping To ‘Normalize Pedophilia’

With Limbaugh, new lows are moving targets that he manages to hit every week, at least.

47 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:44:52pm

re: #37 calochortus

Yeah, this seems to be the new meme, stupid as it may be.
Explain to me again how you can compare an unequal relationship in which one person (the child) cannot legally consent, to a relationship between consenting adults.

It’s the usual, a small minority presents a theory and its conflated into the majority accepting this theory as fact, if only to press forward with the argument that homosexuality is a mental illness that should be treated instead of accepted as normal.

48 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:47:01pm

Funny coming from an outfit founded by one of the biggest political bullies we’ve ever seen, Andrew Breitbart. They tried every other low down, yellow journalism stunt in the book during the previous campaign. They lied about ACORN, using that smear merchant, James O’Keefe. Video edits, distortions, cherry picking quotes, you name it.

49 TedStriker  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:48:52pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Notice that in the world of Breitbart, even Sandra Fluke is a thug and a bully. I think she scares Ben most of all.

Because she didn’t cave and cower like they hoped she would.

50 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:50:45pm

re: #45 freetoken

Shorter VDH:

I’m am expert of ancient Greek warfare.
Therefore, ALGORE!, and Obama is a evul, and Mexicans are dirty.

Ha, pretty much. Really he knows a lot about Ancient Greece. He should stick to that because he knows and understands shit little about modern American politics.

51 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:52:57pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

It’s the usual, a small minority presents a theory and its conflated into the majority accepting this theory as fact, if only to press forward with the argument that homosexuality is a mental illness that should be treated instead of accepted as normal.

I still don’t get why so many people care what other consenting adults are doing. I can see being uncomfortable with public displays of affection-but I’m not really a fan of anyone overdoing that.

52 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:53:29pm

Speaking of whining, and I don’t know if Shapiro has gone in this direction yet, but one of the popular victim-hood ploys being played by the reactionary right these days is - BLACK PEOPLE!!

In this regard WND has now gone full VDARE, as in this latest post (being highlighted in the slide show at the top of the WND home page) by their racist-in-chief Colin Flaherty:

Deck the halls, and your fellow shopper, too

Black-mob violence surges during holiday period

A story designed to do one thing: increase WND presence among racists and get a large “mind share” among the racialist crowd.

And the commenters oblige:

oldguy199 • 4 minutes ago −
And they ask why WE need hi-capicity clips????

___

KDS • 12 minutes ago −
Keep your guns people we need them! Obama is a crazy goof ball. He says he wants gun control but did nothing to stop Iran from getting nukes all they have to do is arm them and point them at us, while he has intentionally scaled down our nukes. Now they have them. If he can’t control Iran, then he can’t control us either.

__

Charliegirl4u • a day ago −
And they want to disarm ME?!… I don’t think SO!..

That’s only the tip of the pile of hate.

53 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:53:34pm

Those people featured in the Breitbart.com page sure do look fearsome. But they’re all white. Shapiro forgot about all the scary black and brown people. Discrimination!

/

54 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:53:56pm

Hi Floral! Dancing is in da house!

55 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:54:38pm

re: #51 calochortus

I still don’t get why so many people care what other consenting adults are doing. I can see being uncomfortable with public displays of affection-but I’m not really a fan of anyone overdoing that.

Because they feel that their morals are not only good for them, but society as a whole. That if society followed what they think is “right,” things would be so much better.

56 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:55:00pm

re: #51 calochortus

I still don’t get why so many people care what other consenting adults are doing. I can see being uncomfortable with public displays of affection-but I’m not really a fan of anyone overdoing that.

I’ve never gotten it either especially from people from an ideology that claims to distrust government intrusion into our personal lives.

57 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:55:08pm

These people are so passive-aggressive it’s almost unreal. They’re from a different planet.

58 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:57:44pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

I’ve never gotten it either especially from people from an ideology that claims to distrust government intrusion into our personal lives.

They distrust intrusion into their lives. Into the lives of people they disagree with? Hell, they not only agree with it, they agitate for it. Gotta protect them and their family, dontchaknow?

59 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:58:43pm

Is this PROJECTION or what?

60 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:58:55pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

Because they feel that their morals are not only good for them, but society as a whole. That if society followed what they think is “right,” things would be so much better.

I wonder what their morals are like if only their religion is keeping them from running wild? This atheist has greater faith in human beings’ innate morality.

61 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:59:27pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

They distrust intrusion into their lives. Into the lives of people they disagree with? Hell, they not only agree with it, they agitate for it. Gotta protect them and their family, dontchaknow?

Yeah, true that. You gotta admit though, it is hilarious hearing people who support sodomy laws complaining about health care reform.

62 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:59:39pm

re: #57 Gus

These people are so passive-aggressive it’s almost unreal. They’re from a different planet.

Perpetually angry and perpetually in denial of their anger.

63 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:00:17pm

Must go do something about dinner.
BBL

64 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:00:46pm

re: #62 b_sharp

Perpetually angry and perpetually in denial of their anger.

Funniest was hearing from a Coulterbot that we(liberals) were the real hateful ones. Yeah……..I laughed.

65 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:01:24pm

re: #54 HoosierHoops

Giggles! Hi Hoopster!

66 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:01:37pm

Doing some housekeeping and noticed that a Page posted by ‘White Dingo’ was deleted earlier by one of the monitors. I’ve followed up by blocking this account, after reviewing that Page.

67 Tigger2005  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:02:38pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

He did indeed:

Krauthammer Blames Obama For GOP Civil War

This came a couple weeks after he suggested, again on Fox News, that Obama’s initial fiscal cliff deal was worse than the terms presented to Lee at Appomattox and that the GOP should have just walked away, because the resulting recession would help them in ‘14.

Doesn’t know very much about history, either. The Confederates actually got very good terms at Appommattox. Lee was actually moved by how generous they were.

68 darthstar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:02:47pm

Just finished putting two coats of primer and one coat of Linen White on the entertainment room (color goes on much easier than primer). Finished listening to one of my favorite concerts at the end of the color coat…here’s the encore (from a different show)…one of the best love songs ever (in my humble opinion).

69 Skip Intro  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:02:55pm

Ben sees bullies everywhere. They’re like zombies, only scarier.

And the bullies are everywhere. Yes, there are bullies on the right. But they are not institutional. The left keeps Hollywood conservative-rein through bullying. They keep the media liberal, even while proclaiming that Democratic hacks like George Stephanopoulos are objective journalists. They use the university system to bully conservative students into silence and to brainwash students into buying their thug politics. They use extra-governmental organizations like Media Matters, who coordinate with the Obama White House, to do the dirty work of astroturfing boycotts of conservative institutions.

70 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:03:02pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Doing some housekeeping and noticed that a Page posted by ‘White Dingo’ was deleted earlier by one of the monitors. I’ve followed up by blocking this account, after reviewing the Page.

LGF has monitors?

Can I be a hall monitor?

71 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:03:48pm

I mean of course liberals can be intolerant and hateful. Anyone can but the ideology that brought us Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter, and untold others really has no room lecturing others on hate and anger. The Tea Party was pretty much one big ragegasm circle jerk against Obama too. Acting like it was all Obama’s fault that spending was out of control and such.

72 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:04:03pm

re: #69 Skip Intro

Ben sees bullies everywhere. They’re like zombies, only scarier.

The world of the wingnut is very fearful.

73 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:04:52pm

re: #69 Skip Intro

Ben sees bullies everywhere. They’re like zombies, only scarier.

Since when is MM government run and really calling Stephanopolus a hack when you’ve got FNC which is pretty much a functioning media arm of the GOP to do your dirty work?

74 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:05:02pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Yeah, true that. You gotta admit though, it is hilarious hearing people who support sodomy laws complaining about health care reform.

In my experience, most of those I’ve met who support such laws are the elder generations, the ones who grew up hearing about homosexuals being locked up for mental illness and being taught to look for signs of homosexuality in those around them. To believe that homosexuality is an illness that not only hurts the sufferer, but those around them. That those who profess to be gay are simply “misguided” and need to be taught how to act right in civil society. And that homosexuality is a risk-taking behavior, with AIDs being a “gay disease” and there being all sorts of medical maladies that come from such a lifestyle.

75 Skip Intro  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:06:29pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

Since when is MM government run and really calling Stephanopolus a hack when you’ve got FNC which is pretty much a functioning media arm of the GOP to do your dirty work?

I’m still trying to figure out what “astroturfing boycotts of conservative institutions.” means. Am I that out of touch?

76 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:06:30pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

In my experience, most of those I’ve met who support such laws are the elder generations, the ones who grew up hearing about homosexuals being locked up for mental illness and being taught to look for signs of homosexuality in those around them. To believe that homosexuality is an illness that not only hurts the sufferer, but those around them. That those who profess to be gay are simply “misguided” and need to be taught how to act right in civil society. And that homosexuality is a risk-taking behavior, with AIDs being a “gay disease” and there being all sorts of medical maladies that come from such a lifestyle.

Yeah it is a generation thing I agree and it’s why I think younger people today even more conservative ones are more inclined to libertarianism than conservatism. If conservatism dropped the stupid anti gay crap, maybe but I think So-Cons turn a lot of people off of conservatism.

77 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:06:32pm

re: #69 Skip Intro

Ben sees bullies everywhere. They’re like zombies, only scarier.

I will never understand how people can function in day to day life, living in a state of such constant paranoia.

78 Tigger2005  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:06:32pm

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

Is this PROJECTION or what?

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Maybe what he meant was, we know that because we see wingnuts do it all the time…

79 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:07:26pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Charles, when I go to create a page, I’m having to clear out the title, and the linky that is auto filled in from the current article.
TY for all you do!

*edited for spelling!

80 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:07:44pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Yeah it is a generation thing I agree and it’s why I think younger people today even more conservative ones are more inclined to libertarianism than conservatism. If conservatism dropped the stupid anti gay crap, maybe but I think So-Cons turn a lot of people off of conservatism.

I think the libertarianism is more out of teenage rebellion. And the propaganda that libertarians are all for legalizing weed, when in reality they just want the federal laws gone but say nothing of states keeping drugs illegal.

81 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:08:01pm

re: #75 Skip Intro

I’m still trying to figure out what “astroturfing boycotts of conservative institutions.” means. Am I that out of touch?

I’ll take a stab here. I think he’s saying that they spring up boycotts of conservative organizations. Nice projection on his part considering that conservative groups like Concerned Women for America urge boycotts for crimes like having an out lesbian as a spokesmodel for a company. Hell they even admitted that Ellen’s problem was that she was too “nice” and that was hiding her insidious ties to the gay agenda. Or the freak out over rainbow Oreos. Can’t beat that. At least people are boycotting Chik-a-Filay for a decent reason.

82 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:08:05pm

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

Is this PROJECTION or what?

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Sure is. Enough projection to run a hundred IMAX theaters for a thousand years.

83 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:08:51pm

re: #41 calochortus

Santa Cruz is actually a little warmer than it is just a bit further north. We used to stay in until our mom noted our lips had turned bluish and we needed to get out for a while. I can’t tell you what a shock it was when we went to Hawaii and the ocean water was warm!

funny - you don’t look bluish

84 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:08:55pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

I think the libertarianism is more out of teenage rebellion. And the propaganda that libertarians are all for legalizing weed, when in reality they just want the federal laws gone but say nothing of states keeping drugs illegal.

I guess. But remember I went to GMU and I am sure you know the reputation of our economics department so I probably know more libertarian minded people than most.

85 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:09:57pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

I will never understand how people can function in day to day life, living in a state of such constant paranoia.

I’ve seen some research that posits increasing fear levels in a person increases the likelihood they’ll think more conservative and authoritarian.

86 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:10:09pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

I guess. But remember I went to GMU and I am sure you know the reputation of our economics department so I probably know more libertarian minded people than most.

True, but I don’t entertain for a minute the idea that libertarians are just looking for the GOP to become more progressive. If anything, most I’ve talked to are the exact opposite, that they think the GOP to be “Democrat-Lite” and have gone libertarian as a form of protest.

87 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:10:40pm

From New Jersey Conservative (freeper re-post)NJ Liberals Introduce 18 Gun Control Bills Today

Earlier today, in an abbreviated legislative session because of the Joint Session of the Legislature for Governor Christie’s State of the State Address, liberal New Jersey Democrats managed to introduce 18 new Gun Control bills in an effort to further deprive you of your 2nd Amendment right.

“Further” deprive?

Them goddamned hippies and communards have already deprived us of our machine guns, mortars, ANFO and even rifle grenades. Now they’re coming after the little stuff!

88 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:10:42pm

My oh my, how far has Harvard fallen that such an in-duh-vidual could graduate from their august campus.

89 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:11:12pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

True, but I don’t entertain for a minute the idea that libertarians are just looking for the GOP to become more progressive. If anything, most I’ve talked to are the exact opposite, that they think the GOP to be “Democrat-Lite” and have gone libertarian as a form of protest.

Oh yeah absolutely. I do disagree with those who say libertarians are just Republican potheads though. Know you’re not saying that but I respectfully disagree with anyone who suggests that.

90 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:13:10pm

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel

From New Jersey Conservative (freeper re-post)NJ Liberals Introduce 18 Gun Control Bills Today

“Further” deprive?

How do you further deprive a right when gun ownership is at a historical high? Gunownership has gone up under Obama. Granted not really because of Obama’s policies about guns but because of people like this freeper who are convinced that Obama’s going to come for his guns. So he buys more. Just like those like him did in the Clinton years when they were convinced that Clinton was taking away their guns. This is how we get the hoarders.

91 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:13:46pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah absolutely. I do disagree with those who say libertarians are just Republican potheads though. Know you’re not saying that but I respectfully disagree with anyone who suggests that.

Thing is, from all I’ve seen, identifying oneself as “Libertarian” is more of a protest thing than an actual political identity. A way of saying “Neither party fulfills my beliefs, so I’m going with the next best choice.” Not that the Libertarian Party’s in any rush to burst their bubbles, because this is probably the most relevant they’ve been in ages.

92 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:14:12pm

re: #88 Cap’n Magic

My oh my, have far has Harvard fallen that such an in-duh-vidual could graduate from their august campus.

I think their graduation ceremonies are in May!!!

//

93 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:14:42pm

re: #70 b_sharp

LGF has monitors?

Can I be a hall monitor?

Charles has always had monitors. ( Lizard monitors so to say)
You know what is funny as hell? I’m the leading vote getter on another blog for being Charles biggest ass kisser…I’ve been egging them on for more votes.. I’m running a grass roots Obama style campaign to win my first web award. I think they are pissed off and I love it.. I think the only time in 5 years here that Charles replied to me and it was about music stuff.. Charles is cool.. I respect him and LGF lizards. So Vote HoosirHoops!

94 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:15:16pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

I think the libertarianism is more out of teenage rebellion. And the propaganda that libertarians are all for legalizing weed, when in reality they just want the federal laws gone but say nothing of states keeping drugs illegal.

A principled libertarian would be against oppression by both federal and state governments. This seems to be a relatively rare flavor of libertarian.

The bought libertarians are mainly focused on getting the Feds to deregulate business. Getting rid of state-level regulation is usually a lower priority for them, since big business often benefits from being able to buy influence at the state level.

95 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:16:56pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

So Vote HoosirHoops

You’ll have to give me a Hoosier Phone as well as pay for my gas and mortgage!!!
/

96 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:16:59pm

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

Is this PROJECTION or what?

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there’s a whole contingent devoted to turning around everything said about wingnuts and projecting it back onto “liberals”, even if it doesn’t make any sense

97 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:17:42pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

Charles has always had monitors. ( Lizard monitors so to say)
You know what is funny as hell? I’m the leading vote getter on another blog for being Charles biggest ass kisser…I’ve been egging them on for more votes.. I’m running a grass roots Obama style campaign to win my first web award. I think they are pissed off and I love it.. I think the only time in 5 years here that Charles replied to me and it was about music stuff.. Charles is cool.. I respect him and LGF lizards. So Vote HoosirHoops!

I’d vote for you.

98 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:18:11pm

re: #97 b_sharp

I’d vote for you.

I always questioned your sanity!
/

99 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:19:55pm

re: #96 engineer cat

there’s a whole contingent devoted to turning around everything said about wingnuts and projecting it back onto “liberals”, even if it doesn’t make any sense

Infantile, pre-school antics. RWNJs really think that denying everything and accusing the other side of their own worst faults is a strategy.

100 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:20:24pm

re: #70 b_sharp

LGF has monitors?

Can I be a hall monitor?

I wonder if Monty Hall was ever a Hall Monitor!?!?!

101 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:22:04pm

re: #96 engineer cat

there’s a whole contingent devoted to turning around everything said about wingnuts and projecting it back onto “liberals”, even if it doesn’t make any sense

I think it’s part of the ‘Modern 21st Century Wingnut’ class taught by WND.

102 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:22:26pm

re: #99 EPR-radar

Infantile, pre-school antics. RWNJs really think that denying everything and accusing the other side of their own worst faults is a strategy.

it works not by making sense but by confusing the discourse and “fuzzing up” the point of the original message

besides which of course some people are easily mislead yanno…

103 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:22:46pm

re: #98 sattv4u2

I always questioned your sanity!
/

So does my wife, so you’re in good company.

104 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:23:16pm

re: #100 sattv4u2

I wonder if Monty Hall was ever a Hall Monitor!?!?!

He was a Doors Monitor.

105 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:25:20pm

re: #98 sattv4u2

I always questioned your sanity!
/

Me too! :)
I don’t think you understand how this works.. I’m running an Obama style Campaign. You send me Money..Not me send you stuff..
Eventually we’ll get around to the free stuff later.. Mostly Hoops Basketballs in every pot.

106 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:29:40pm

Dreadlocks don’t kill people
People with dreadlocks kill people!!

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com…]

Cops Arrest Portland Man, 32, For Strangling Girlfriend With His Dreadlocks

107 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:31:30pm

re: #105 HoosierHoops

Me too! :)
I don’t think you understand how this works.. I’m running an Obama style Campaign. You send me Money..Not me send you stuff..
Eventually we’ll get around to the free stuff later.. Mostly Hoops Basketballs in every pot.

I can’t have free stuff first?

108 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:37:12pm

Evening all!

It’s Science day at the NYT:

Think it was hot in 2012? It was. Really. Hot.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Some interesting Neuro research.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

And things that make you go hmmm…

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Hope everyone is healthy and reasonably happy. I am because it’s Raining Here!!

109 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:37:29pm

re: #107 b_sharp

I can’t have free stuff first?

Nope.. Just wait till my acceptance speech when I outline my vision for the future and fill my Cabinet in the Blue House administration.

110 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:43:40pm

re: #92 sattv4u2

Your brutal use of the truth shows a clear lack of imagination.

//

111 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:44:33pm

This is likely to set a few heads spinning:

Judge: Army GI in WikiLeaks illegally punished

FORT MEADE, Md. (AP) — An Army private suspected of sending reams of classified documents to the secret-sharing WikiLeaks website was illegally punished at a Marine Corps brig and should get 112 days cut from any prison sentence he receives if convicted, a military judge ruled Tuesday.

Army Col. Denise Lind ruled during a pretrial hearing that authorities went too far in their strict confinement of Pfc. Bradley Manning for nine months in a Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Va., in 2010 and 2011. Manning was confined to a windowless cell 23 hours a day, sometimes with no clothing. Brig officials said it was to keep him from hurting himself or others.

Lind said Manning’s confinement was “more rigorous than necessary.” She added that the conditions “became excessive in relation to legitimate government interests.”

112 darthstar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:45:34pm
113 darthstar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:46:09pm

re: #112 darthstar

heh…I misspelled Microsoft. Fuck ‘em.

114 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:46:18pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

and should get 112 days cut from any prison sentence he receives if convicted

Fine with me

Whats 174 years minus 112 days !!!
/

115 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:47:30pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

Amazing what a bit of judicial oversight can do. Manning isn’t likely to be freed any time soon, but the brig officials were clearly having a bit of “fun” that needed to be stopped.

116 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:50:34pm

re: #114 sattv4u2

and should get 112 days cut from any prison sentence he receives if convicted

Fine with me

Whats 174 years minus 112 days !!!
/

The MSM headlines on this story have been trolling for moonbat traffic. When I first saw it I thought it was something serious or he cut a plea deal to roll over on Assange.

117 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:52:52pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

Charles has always had monitors. ( Lizard monitors so to say)
You know what is funny as hell? I’m the leading vote getter on another blog for being Charles biggest ass kisser…I’ve been egging them on for more votes.. I’m running a grass roots Obama style campaign to win my first web award. I think they are pissed off and I love it.. I think the only time in 5 years here that Charles replied to me and it was about music stuff.. Charles is cool.. I respect him and LGF lizards. So Vote HoosirHoops!

So now that you’ve finished your mission sabotaging the University of Oklahoma’s athletic program you are now going to claim a web award and then slink off to some wilderness to plan your next assault upon America.
;P
/

118 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:54:09pm

re: #113 darthstar

heh…I misspelled Microsoft. Fuck ‘em.

i thought google was the new microsoft, which after all was once the new ibm

119 stabby  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:54:15pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

There really is nothing sadder and more pathetic than bullies whining that the other guy is being mean to them.

Their problem is that bullies can’t win in a democracy with a well informed electorate. And we DO have a democracy and our electorate only gets better informed over the years.

And what do you call people who ran on a platform of:
1) stealing granny’s retirement money
2) denying granny her medicine
3) denying the poor the chance to have health insurance
4) quoting a tiny fraudulent minority of right wing economists so that they can have an excuse for starving granny. Scream that debt will make the sky fall even though the actual economists say “no”.
5) spending more on the military
6) denouncing a billion Muslims (see Newt’s statements) while starting another war in the middle east
7) ending environmental protection
8) ending education standards
9) hating gays for the family (is that different from raising your children to hate - it sounds like it to me)
10) hating women for controlling their own vaginas…
The word bully kinda jumps out at you

It’s almost comforting that they are incapable of stopping the projection and seeing what they’re doing honestly - they can’t win while making themselves ever more rediculous and pathetic

120 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:56:28pm

re: #117 Feline Fearless Leader

So now that you’ve finished your mission sabotaging the University of Oklahoma’s athletic program you are now going to claim a web award and then slink off to some wilderness farm to plan your next assault upon America.
;P
/

121 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:57:56pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

The MSM headlines on this story have been trolling for moonbat traffic. When I first saw it I thought it was something serious or he cut a plea deal to roll over on Assange.

I’m sure upon hearing about the mistreatment of Manning Assange will volunteer to swap living arrangements with the Pfc!!!
/

122 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:58:50pm

MORE ANTI-MUSLIM ADS GO UP IN NYC SUBWAYS

The group that equated Muslim radicals with savages in advertisements last year has put up another set of provocative ads in dozens of New York City subway stations.

The American Freedom Defense Initiative purchased space next to 228 clocks in 39 stations for ads with an image of the burning World Trade Center and a quote attributed to the Quran saying: “Soon shall we cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers.”

[…]

Good thing that Yahweh got all that “smiting” out of his system, eh?

123 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:58:55pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

Charles has always had monitors. ( Lizard monitors so to say)
You know what is funny as hell? I’m the leading vote getter on another blog for being Charles biggest ass kisser…I’ve been egging them on for more votes.. I’m running a grass roots Obama style campaign to win my first web award. I think they are pissed off and I love it.. I think the only time in 5 years here that Charles replied to me and it was about music stuff.. Charles is cool.. I respect him and LGF lizards. So Vote HoosirHoops!

It is mointor lizards, wow you are about as funny as a screen door as a battleship now why don’t you make like a tree and get the hell out?

124 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:59:28pm

re: #117 Feline Fearless Leader

So now that you’ve finished your mission sabotaging the University of Oklahoma’s athletic program you are now going to claim a web award and then slink off to some wilderness to plan your next assault upon America.
;P
/

You got me bro! LOL
I need to learn how to drive a tractor..:)

125 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:00:58pm

Just cracked open a Christmas gift from my SIL. Liquor and chocolate, working as one…

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

126 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:02:01pm

re: #123 jamesfirecat

It is mointor lizards, wow you are about as funny as a screen door as a battleship now why don’t you make like a tree and get the hell out?

Ok..So what are you really trying say?

127 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:02:26pm

re: #123 jamesfirecat

are you drunk?

128 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:02:32pm

How many on the TP right are taking Ayn Rand’s philosophy of selfishness being a virtue, justified by a putative economic utopia resulting from everyone making rational selfish decisions, as an excuse to fuck everybody else?

129 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:02:33pm

re: #119 stabby

The Reader’s Digest condensed version of the RWNJ platform:

1) Benefit the rich at everyone else’s expense, by any/all means.

2) Kick up enough dust with culture war issues (and foreign wars) to divert attention away from point #1.

130 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:03:55pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

The Reader’s Digest condensed version of the RWNJ platform:

1) Benefit the rich white men at everyone else’s expense, by any/all means.

2) Kick up enough dust with culture war issues (and foreign wars) to divert attention away from point #1.

FTFY

131 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:04:06pm

re: #128 b_sharp

How many on the TP right are taking Ayn Rand’s philosophy of selfishness being a virtue, justified by a putative economic utopia resulting from everyone making rational selfish decisions, as an excuse to fuck everybody else?

Is this a trick question?

132 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:04:15pm

#TGDN is like an entire city full of houses full of cabinets full of drawers with unsharpened knives.

Idiots who repeatedly Tweet “Thanks for following me! Following u back!” to the whole freaking Twitter and then don’t understand why they get blocked for spamming.

133 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:04:44pm

re: #127 sattv4u2

are you drunk?

I was wondering the same thing.

134 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:04:55pm

Conservatives want violence.

135 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:05:23pm

re: #134 Amory Blaine

Conservatives want violence.

MOAR GUNZ!!

136 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:05:32pm

re: #131 Targetpractice

Is this a trick question?

Yes.

No.

Maybe.

137 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:05:48pm

re: #135 freetoken

MOAR GUNZ!!

There is no problem that cannot be solved by adding MOAR DAKKA.

138 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:05:51pm

re: #133 b_sharp

I was wondering the same thing.

If we don’t get an answer, my guess is yes

If we do get an answer, and it’s as incoherent as that post,.,, same guess!!!

/

139 stabby  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:06:03pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

It really must be a surreal world where Sandra Fluke is a thug and bully but where Rush Limbaugh is a kindly gentleman who is only magnanimous to those he disagrees with. I really think if Limbaugh had never called her a slut, she wouldn’t be as well known. But hey Limbaugh pissed off the wrong woman and he’s paying for it.

No, it has little to do with who Sandra Fluke is. The actual fact is that Limbaugh and his ilk are so far over the edge that he’s beyond the pale to a general audience. He screamed “slut” 1000 times a day. So he lost all the advertisers who care about a general audience. And in the same way the Republican party is making itself beyond the pale to the general voter.

This process has little to do with who their opponents are. Their opponents are normal people. They are no where near normal. And that’s obvious.

140 prairiefire  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:06:18pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

The MSM headlines on this story have been trolling for moonbat traffic. When I first saw it I thought it was something serious or he cut a plea deal to roll over on Assange.

Manning was mistreated.

The quinoa was a bit of a fuck off, as with most of my first attempts. Toasted it first, you have to smell them in a spoon, they are so tiny. Oh, maybe I should have rinsed them! Rinsed the already toasted in my colander with holes apparently too big for Quinoa and lost 1/2 down the drain. Checked the bag from the store, they looked fine. Added enough back in to match the 1.5 chix broth. Boiled, simmered, and left for 10 minutes to get fluffy. It was good!

141 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:06:32pm

re: #112 darthstar

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Which GUI/Window Manager did you go with? Unity? Gnome? Just curious since my 10 year old dell would die a miserable death of thrashing with only 2 gb of ram if I tried either.

142 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:07:30pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

If we don’t get an answer, my guess is yes

If we do get an answer, and it’s as incoherent as that post,.,, same guess!!!

/

5 lizard dollars he’s been sniffing deodorant or compressed air.

143 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:07:34pm

re: #141 William Barnett-Lewis

Which GUI/Window Manager did you go with? Unity? Gnome? Just curious since my 10 year old dell would die a miserable death of thrashing with only 2 gb of ram if I tried either.

I happen to be a lover of fluxbox, but I don’t even know if it’s been updated in years.

144 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:08:24pm

re: #140 prairiefire

Manning was mistreated.

The quinoa was a bit of a fuck off, as with most of my first attempts. Toasted it first, you have to smell them in a spoon, they are so tiny. Oh, maybe I should have rinsed them! Rinsed the already toasted in my colander with holes apparently too big for Quinoa and lost 1/2 down the drain. Checked the bag from the store, they looked fine. Added enough back in to match the 1.5 chix broth. Boiled, simmered, and left for 10 minutes to get fluffy. It was good!

I asked in a thread early today about where rinsing works into the process when you want to toast as well. Toast, then rinse, then cook? Or rinse and then toast? (The latter having the complication about whether you need to dry it after rinsing and before toasting.)

145 prairiefire  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:11:16pm

re: #144 Feline Fearless Leader

Online said to rinse, dry, then toast. There was so little husks, debris etc. in the plastic bag from the store, I’m not sure that rinsing in this case was necessary.
Toasting was very helpful. Broth over water for sure.

146 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:11:23pm

re: #141 William Barnett-Lewis

Which GUI/Window Manager did you go with? Unity? Gnome? Just curious since my 10 year old dell would die a miserable death of thrashing with only 2 gb of ram if I tried either.

Ubuntu comes with Gnome, but it ain’t hard to install KDE or Xfce.

147 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:12:12pm

re: #140 prairiefire

Manning was mistreated.

The quinoa was a bit of a fuck off, as with most of my first attempts. Toasted it first, you have to smell them in a spoon, they are so tiny. Oh, maybe I should have rinsed them! Rinsed the already toasted in my colander with holes apparently too big for Quinoa and lost 1/2 down the drain. Checked the bag from the store, they looked fine. Added enough back in to match the 1.5 chix broth. Boiled, simmered, and left for 10 minutes to get fluffy. It was good!

Rinsing can be a problem. I don’t find it necessary with the white varieties of quinoa. Red Quinoa, which still has the outer hull attached, does need some rinsing. If you look around the produce section of your local mega-mart you can often find “produce bags” which are fine mesh bags for storing veg but they also make a great device for rinsing quinoa without losing too much seed.
Keep trying, you’ll get the hang of it.

148 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:12:28pm

You are what you eat, and more:

Diet, Exercise? Maybe That 170 Lb. Perfect Woman Of 100 Years Ago Just Had Good Genes

[…]

High-calorie diets containing high levels of fat and sugar, along with sedentary lifestyles, have conspired to make 36% of American women look like the perfect woman of 1912 but new UCLA research also says that body-fat responses to food are strongly inherited and linked to our DNA. So maybe Elsie Scheel, “the perfect woman” of 100 years ago, just got lucky.

[…]

The study detailed metabolic responses to a high-fat, high-sugar diet in a large and diverse mouse population under defined environmental conditions, modeling closely what is likely to occur in human populations. The researchers found that the amount of food consumed contributed only modestly to the degree of obesity.

“Our research demonstrates that body-fat responses to high-fat, high-sugar diets have a very strong genetic component, and we have identified several genetic factors potentially regulating these responses,” said first author Dr. Brian Parks, a postdoctoral researcher at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA. “We found that obesity has similar genetic signatures in mice and humans, indicating the mice are a highly relevant model system to study obesity. Overall, our work has broad implications concerning the genetic nature of obesity and weight gain.”

[…]

See also:


Genes and obesity: Fast food isn’t only culprit in expanding waistlines — DNA is also to blame

Researchers at UCLA say it’s not just what you eat that makes those pants tighter — it’s also genetics. In a new study, scientists discovered that body-fat responses to a typical fast-food diet are determined in large part by genetic factors, and they have identified several genes they say may control those responses.

The study is the first of its kind to detail metabolic responses to a high-fat, high-sugar diet in a large and diverse mouse population under defined environmental conditions, modeling closely what is likely to occur in human populations. The researchers found that the amount of food consumed contributed only modestly to the degree of obesity.

The findings are published Jan. 8 in the online edition of the journal Cell Metabolism and will appear Jan. 9 in the print version.

[…]

Dietary responses, as assessed by the body-fat percentage increase during high-fat, high-sugar feeding, varied widely among the strains, with increases in body-fat percentage ranging from 0 to more than 600 percent in the various strains of mice. Most strains responded during the first four weeks of the high-fat, high-sugar feeding and did not accumulate additional fat during the remainder of the study. This suggests an upper body-fat set-point whereby continued gain in body fat is resisted by genetic mechanisms, the researchers said.

Additionally, “We observed high heritability of about 80 percent for body-fat percentage across the study timeline,” said principal investigator Dr. Jake Lusis, a professor of medicine and human genetics and of microbiology, immunology and molecular genetics at the Geffen School of Medicine. “Changes in body-fat percentage after high-fat, high-sugar feeding were also highly heritable, suggesting that dietary responses are strongly controlled by genetics.”

[…]

149 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:13:26pm

re: #142 b_sharp

5 lizard dollars he’s been sniffing deodorant or compressed air.

Could be paint chips or he’s posting from the garage with the car running!
/

150 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:16:47pm

5 lizard dollars

do i have to warm em up in the sun before i can spend em?

151 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:17:02pm

re: #144 Feline Fearless Leader

I asked in a thread early today about where rinsing works into the process when you want to toast as well. Toast, then rinse, then cook? Or rinse and then toast? (The latter having the complication about whether you need to dry it after rinsing and before toasting.)

For me: White quinoa: Just toast and cook.
Red Quinoa: Rinse, Toast (optional), then cook.
I really like the red quinoa. It has a lot more flavor but it can be very expensive. $6-7 per pound. It’s what I grow in my garden but it’s too expensive to buy in the store.

152 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:17:34pm

re: #150 engineer cat

5 lizard dollars

do i have to warm em up in the sun before i can spend em?

No
But in a pinch, sewn together, they do make a nice pair of boots!

153 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:18:29pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

Could be paint chips or he’s posting from the garage with the car running!
/

Dunno. Lead was removed from paint decades ago.

154 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:18:54pm
155 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:19:41pm

re: #150 engineer cat

5 lizard dollars

do i have to warm em up in the sun before i can spend em?

Do you really need to ask?
If you keep them in the fridge you’ll have them longer.

156 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:19:59pm

re: #152 sattv4u2

No
But in a pinch, sewn together, they do make a nice pair of boots!

Or a belt.

157 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:20:19pm

Seems like every week, somebody goes out of their way to define the very meaning of chutzpah:

AIG may join bailout lawsuit against U.S. government

NEW YORK/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - American International Group Inc, the insurer rescued by the U.S. government in 2008, said on Tuesday it is considering joining a lawsuit that claims the bailout terms were unfair, drawing angry condemnation from lawmakers.

158 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:21:11pm

Another favorite soap box of mine:

It’s Time To Stop Obsessing About the Dangers of Genetic Information

I’m sick of reading about the dangers of the genome. There are lots of popular articles I could point to, but let’s start with a recent series in Time that included eight online features and the Dec. 13 cover story, ominously titled “The DNA Dilemma.”

[…]

All the fear mongering over some emerging neo-eugenics movement, or that people will be driving towards hypochondriacal madness, is highly counterproductive.

159 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:22:07pm

re: #158 freetoken

Another favorite soap box of mine:

It’s Time To Stop Obsessing About the Dangers of Genetic Information

All the fear mongering over some emerging neo-eugenics movement, or that people will be driving towards hypochondriacal madness, is highly counterproductive.

But what about the Eugenics War?

//

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:24:51pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

But what about the Eugenics War?

//

Put a hulk out in Cape Canaveral with a big trapdoor, name it “Botany Bay” and let the idiots self-select themselves out of the gene pool.
//

161 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:25:38pm

re: #153 b_sharp

Dunno. Lead was removed from paint decades ago.

How do you know when the last time his house was painted?

162 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:26:25pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

But what about the Eugenics War?

//

Was the the war between Eugene and Eunice?

163 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:28:10pm

re: #143 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I happen to be a lover of fluxbox, but I don’t even know if it’s been updated in years.

I dearly love Open Look (yes, I used old Suns :D ) but OLVWM is in the same boat. I use XFCE these days to strike a balance between the contradictory demands of support, speed and integration.

164 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:28:25pm

Night Lizards.

165 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:29:58pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

How do you know when the last time his house was painted?

I guess we’d have to test his hair for lead.

166 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:30:48pm

re: #163 William Barnett-Lewis

I dearly love Open Look (yes, I used old Suns :D ) but OLVWM is in the same boat. I use XFCE these days to strike a balance between the contradictory demands of support, speed and integration.

Even though it hasn’t been updated in a long time, though, fluxbox is very lightweight and my go-to choice for computers of lesser resources. It’s run on many a machine that has choked and died on full-blown setups like Gnome and KDE.

167 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:30:50pm

Rheinmetall demos laser that can shoot down drones

A laser weapons system that can shoot down two drones at a distance of over a mile has been demonstrated by Rheinmetall Defence.

According to the 2nd Amendment, I need to have one of these.

168 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:32:05pm

Have a good night all you skinky reptiles.

169 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:32:21pm

re: #156 b_sharp

btw

We never did get an answer, so my original guess of “drunk’, I’m calling that a winner!!

170 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:32:28pm

re: #158 freetoken

I would think the greatest danger in having genetic information is that insurance companies will make decisions about who is insurable based on information they don’t understand.
That said, there are people who don’t want to know if they have a genetic disease (For example, there was a Huntington’s disease researcher who didn’t have the test she helped developed because she didn’t want to know) Personally, I think I would want to know, but it would be hard to make the decision for someone else, such as an infant.

171 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:32:30pm

re: #167 freetoken

Rheinmetall demos laser that can shoot down drones

According to the 2nd Amendment, I need to have one of these.

So, how long before they’re selling those things to the highest bidder, aka our enemies?

172 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:32:35pm

Hahahahahahahaha. A friend who signed the “deport Pierce Morgan” petition as a joke (he also signed the one to let him stay :) just got this email:

When Discussing the Second Amendment, Keep the First in Mind Too

By Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary

Thank you for participating in We the People to speak out on an issue that matters to you.

Let’s not let arguments over the Constitution’s Second Amendment violate the spirit of its First. President Obama believes that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. However, the Constitution not only guarantees an individual right to bear arms, but also enshrines the freedom of speech and the freedom of the press — fundamental principles that are essential to our democracy. Americans may disagree on matters of public policy and express those disagreements vigorously, but no one should be punished by the government simply because he or she expressed a view on the Second Amendment — or any other matter of public concern.

He doesn’t have a problem with this but there’s a boat load of wingnuts gonna be pissed in the AM.

173 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:33:21pm

re: #165 b_sharp

I guess we’d have to test his hair for lead.

I once dated a girl with golden hair, does that count?

(and with the way the price of gold jumped up, I’m mad I didn’t keep her!!)

174 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:36:42pm

re: #171 Targetpractice

So, how long before they’re selling those things to the highest bidder, aka our enemies?

Someday soon I should be able to go down to the local gun show and pick up one secondhand. A man has to defend himself, after all.

175 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:37:42pm
176 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:39:25pm

Ok, OT but WTF.

On the occasion of David Bowie’s 66th birthday, here is the video for his newest single:

177 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:39:26pm

re: #170 calochortus

But, with the ACA no person can be turned down for medical insurance because of pre-existing conditions, no?

And while no doubt there are people out there who don’t want to know their genetic makeup, to me that does not seem to be a strong argument to bottle up the testing. If someone doesn’t want to know they simply don’t go get tested.

178 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:40:08pm

I see the wingnuts want to impeach Earl Warren John Roberts as well as Diane Feinstein and, of course Obama. I’m sure that’s just a start.

179 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:41:15pm

re: #178 calochortus

I see the wingnuts want to impeach Earl WarrenJohn Roberts as well as Diane Feinstein and, of course Obama. I’m sure that’s just a start.

Impeaching Roberts while the Presidency is held by a Democrat is stupid, even for a wingnut.

180 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:41:58pm

re: #178 calochortus

I see the wingnuts want to impeach Earl Warren John Roberts as well as Diane Feinstein and, of course Obama. I’m sure that’s just a start.

Let me guess, they think Roberts should refuse to give the oath of office to Obama and his doing so despite their demands is grounds for his impeachment?

181 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:44:59pm

re: #179 EPR-radar

Impeaching Roberts while the Presidency is held by a Democrat is stupid, even for a wingnut.

Yes. It is. But you must realize there’s no difference between these RINOs and the Dems!

re: #180 Targetpractice

Let me guess, they think Roberts should refuse to give the oath of office to Obama and his doing so despite their demands is grounds for his impeachment?

I believe we have a winner. There’s also the healthcare decision.

182 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:46:26pm

re: #153 b_sharp

Dunno. Lead was removed from paint decades ago.

A true patriot adds his own!

183 jaunte  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:46:33pm

re: #175 Gus

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Twitter, also for the geologically challenged.

184 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:46:41pm

re: #179 EPR-radar

Impeaching Roberts while the Presidency is held by a Democrat is stupid, even for a wingnut.

The mind boggles at who he could then get put in as Chief Justice… :D

185 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:47:21pm

re: #183 jaunte

Twitter, also for the geologically challenged.

Yeah. Sea animal fossils up on Mt. Everest. //

186 jaunte  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:47:50pm

How them fossils get up on Sandia Peak. Mus’ be the Flood.

187 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:49:02pm

re: #184 William Barnett-Lewis

The mind boggles at who he could then get put in as Chief Justice… :D

Orly Taitz?

188 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:49:07pm

re: #186 jaunte

How them fossils get up on Sandia Peak. Mus’ be the Flood.

Yep. Because all aquatic animals were sea animals. // Salty.

189 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:49:14pm

re: #186 jaunte

How them fossils get up on Sandia Peak. Mus’ be the Flood.

God put them there to test our faith.

190 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:49:29pm

Fresh. Water. Works.

191 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:50:29pm

re: #189 calochortus

God put them there to test our faith.

In our own intelligence. And David saw the fossils as proof of evolution… And the science God smiled. /

192 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:52:21pm

Tough crowd.

[Sound of forks, knives and china in the background.]

193 jaunte  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:53:19pm

Slaves of the Electron, unite!

194 calochortus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:55:18pm

re: #193 jaunte

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Slaves of the Electron, unite!

I revel in my uncoolness.

195 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:57:51pm

re: #193 jaunte

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Slaves of the Electron, unite!

Well yeah, but Apple hasn’t unveiled the new iPhone yet, so I’ve still got a little time left.

//

196 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:58:55pm

re: #193 jaunte

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Slaves of the Electron, unite!

The ultimate consumerist bonanza coup. /

197 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:00:13pm

Seems low.

198 Skip Intro  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:00:17pm

re: #193 jaunte

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Slaves of the Electron, unite!

I’m thinking of buying one of those new $10,000 4k tv sets because there’s no source material for them. Just think of the money I’ll save in electricity by never turning it on.

199 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:04:22pm

re: #193 jaunte

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Slaves of the Electron, unite!

I find it humorous that CES and the SHOT show are on at the same time. A major “only in America” moment.

200 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:05:15pm

re: #198 Skip Intro

I’m thinking of buying one of those new $10,000 4k tv sets because there’s no source material for them. Just think of the money I’ll save in electricity by never turning it on.

Reality TV for the post-zombie time period. No power, no shows, no time to sit in front of the screen.

201 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:09:25pm

re: #200 Feline Fearless Leader

Reality TV for the post-zombie time period. No power, no shows, no time to sit in front of the screen.

Look at it this way, the zombie apocalypse would be the perfect diet regimen. Running for your life and scrounging for food will do wonders for one’s figure.

///

202 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:14:50pm

Irresistible for this topic:

203 jaunte  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:19:33pm
204 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:20:31pm

Stewart kicking ass again—guns this time. He largely dropped the exaggerated comedy for a ‘real shit’ approach.

205 jaunte  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:21:01pm

re: #204 Decatur Deb

Nice Alex Jones crazy freeze-frame.

206 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:21:17pm
207 jaunte  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:22:00pm

We must be on our guard for pretend Hitler.

208 jaunte  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:22:53pm
209 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:23:39pm

re: #204 Decatur Deb

Stewart kicking ass again—guns this time. He largely dropped the exaggerated comedy for a ‘real shit’ approach.

I’ll have to catch the rerun.

Was noticing earlier while debating gun control with a “gun rights advocate” that one of the underlying themes behind the “MOAR GUNZ!” cry seems to be a certainty that those guns will only land in the hands of people who will be “responsible gun owners.” As though they will magically avoid giving guns to, say, people with anger management issues.

210 jaunte  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:27:33pm
211 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:32:06pm

re: #210 jaunte

30K is an overestimate, and not a small one either.

212 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:32:27pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

30K is an overestimate, and not a small one either.

Factor of 3, at best.

213 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:34:14pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

re: #212 Targetpractice

Re-check the statement: Gun deaths. All causes.

214 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:34:44pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Factor of 3, at best.

That’s still a major overestimate, and far too large of one. To say that 30K people died when only 10K (and I’m not sure about that one either), means that 2 out 3 people you say died did not in fact die. That’s often a sign you are dealing with someone playing fast and loose with the facts.

215 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:36:09pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

re: #212 Targetpractice

Re-check the statement: Gun deaths. All causes.

I still think its way off. Most people who are killed by guns in any country are deliberately shot.

216 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:36:09pm

re: #176 William Barnett-Lewis

Ok, OT but WTF.

On the occasion of David Bowie’s 66th birthday, here is the video for his newest single:

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I like it.

217 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:36:56pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Factor of 3, at best.

Depends on definitions, yes?

Wiki:

Just over half of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[8] with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 suicide deaths, and 12,632 (40.5%) homicide deaths.

So, 30,000 gun deaths is accurate.

218 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:36:57pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

That’s still a major overestimate, and far too large of one. To say that 30K people died when only 10K (and I’m not sure about that one either), means that 2 out 3 people you say died did not in fact die. That’s often a sign you are dealing with someone playing fast and loose with the facts.

30K is total.

219 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:37:33pm

That includes the largest, suicides. Then accidents.

220 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:37:51pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

I still think its way off. Most people who are killed by guns in any country are deliberately shot.

But a burglar shot dead by an armed homeowner or a knife wielding thug shot dead by a police officer should not be counted alongside a little girl killed by stray gunfire over drug territory.

221 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:37:53pm

Wait, largest…

222 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:38:01pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

I still think its way off. Most people who are killed by guns in any country are deliberately shot.

Accident, suicide, justifiables.

223 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:38:43pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

Accident, suicide, justifiables.

Jilted lovers.

224 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:38:49pm

re: #219 Gus

That includes the largest, suicides. Then accidents.

By those numbers, accidents are a distant third.

225 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:39:22pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

But a burglar shot dead by an armed homeowner or a knife wielding thug shot dead by a police officer should not be counted alongside a little girl killed by stray gunfire over drug territory.

Now you’re splitting hairs.

226 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:39:45pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

By those numbers, accidents are a distant third.

Probably. Not looking now.

227 jaunte  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:41:02pm

We have to be willing to make a few sacrifices to be safe from our own government.

228 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:41:24pm

OK. Here’s the gig. Half this country is made up of gun nuts. We have the 2nd Amendment. Then there’s John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and, dun-dun-dun, the House. I’ll be outside having a smoke.

229 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:41:51pm

re: #227 jaunte

We have to be willing to make a few sacrifices to be safe from our own government.

I’m more afraid of the dipshits who are afraid of the government than I am anything else.

230 bratwurst  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:43:31pm

I try to be tolerant of people demanding their second amendment rights, especially since we have so many knowledgable gun owners here willing to discuss common sense compromises. However, to try to downplay, minimize or otherwise suggest that the number of deaths in the country caused by guns isn’t a problem and and absolute disgrace to civilization is plain old idiotic.

231 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:43:40pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

I’m more afraid of the dipshits who are afraid of the government than I am anything else.

A lot of people talk about falling into the system. You might not want to be afraid of government but once I heard you get sucked in you’re pretty much fucked. :D

232 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:44:49pm

re: #231 Gus

A lot of people talk about falling into the system. You might not want to be afraid of government but once I heard you get sucked in you’re pretty much fucked. :D

It’s almost as if we should rage against the machine!

///

233 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:46:16pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

It’s almost as if we should rage against the machine!

///

The drug war is part of it.

234 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:47:53pm

re: #233 Gus

The drug war is part of it.

The “War on Drugs” is, if anything, a grand example of what happens when one thinks the job of the government is enforcing morality.

235 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:48:45pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

The “War on Drugs” is, if anything, a grand example of what happens when one thinks the job of the government is enforcing morality.

Don’t tell them.

236 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:50:25pm

‘Nite All.

237 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:52:30pm

re: #225 Targetpractice

Now you’re splitting hairs.

How so?

238 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:53:21pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

It’s almost as if we should rage against the machine!

///

Fuck you, I won’t do what ya tell me!

//

239 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:53:38pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

How so?

Stewart talks gun deaths and you’re trying to prove him wrong by saying that only intentional shootings should count.

240 TheSwedish  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:56:05pm

Sheesh. Methinks Mr. Shapiro’s quest to find someone to relieve him of his virginity isn’t going very well.

241 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:56:46pm

re: #239 Targetpractice

Stewart talks gun deaths and you’re trying to prove him wrong by saying that only intentional shootings should count.

No, what I was saying in the post that you said was splitting hairs was that justifiable homicides should not be included alongside murders. Newspapers don’t do that in their crime tallies, nor does law enforcement.

242 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:57:57pm

Though. Shalt. Not. Kill.

#atheist

243 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:58:16pm
244 efuseakay  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:59:16pm

Ben should look at the responses towards Gabby Giffords to see who the true bullies are.

245 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:01:05pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

No, what I was saying in the post that you said was splitting hairs was that justifiable homicides should not be included alongside murders. Newspapers don’t do that in their crime tallies, nor does law enforcement.

What part of “gun deaths” escapes you? Is the person less dead because of the circumstances of their shooting?

246 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:01:29pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

The “War on Drugs” is, if anything, a grand example of what happens when one thinks the job of the government is enforcing morality.

I think the War on Drugs is basically a make-work government jobs program.

247 dragonath  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:03:53pm
248 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:06:29pm

re: #246 Mich-again

I think the War on Drugs is basically a make-work government jobs program.

Plus market protection for Big Pharma and job security for the prison-industrial complex. Oh, wait. The second part is what you said.

249 bratwurst  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:07:38pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

What part of “gun deaths” escapes you? Is the person less dead because of the circumstances of their shooting?

It goes back to toeing the NRA line of armed “good” guys being the only possible solution to armed “bad” guys.

250 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:10:02pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

Plus market protection for Big Pharma and job security for the prison-industrial complex. Oh, wait. The second part is what you said.

Attorney fees. Bail bondsman.

251 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:10:31pm

Corrections Officers Union

Dun.

Dun.

Dun.

252 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:14:14pm
253 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:14:26pm

Our government is tee-totally OK with people ruining their own lives with too much: gambling, alcohol, guns, cigarettes, fast cars. illicit sex, fast food, TV, pain killers, Lazy Boy chairs, computer screens, and all sorts of other unhealthy things. But not pot. That shit will kill ya!!

254 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:18:14pm

re: #249 bratwurst

It goes back to toeing the NRA line of armed “good” guys being the only possible solution to armed “bad” guys.

No, it goes to the idea that a burglar getting shot dead is a lot less problematic than child being shot on his or her way to school.

255 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:25:46pm

The last 4 years while my son was in College earning his engineering degree one of his best buddies from HS was in the Marines and spent a couple years in Afghanistan. A great kid. But man did he come out of the Marines F-ed up in the head. They turned him into a Fox News loving, ball of hate. sad to see. I hope he can return to normal someday. Everyone can plainly see who comes home with physical injuries. Not so much with the mental ones.

256 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:26:32pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

No, it goes to the idea that a burglar getting shot dead is a lot less problematic than child being shot on his or her way to school.

You reap what you sow.

257 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:28:36pm

re: #255 Mich-again

The last 4 years while my son was in College earning his engineering degree one of his best buddies from HS was in the Marines and spent a couple years in Afghanistan. A great kid. But man did he come out of the Marines F-ed up in the head. They turned him into a Fox News loving, ball of hate. sad to see. I hope he can return to normal someday. Everyone can plainly see who comes home with physical injuries. Not so much with the mental ones.

Clarified by Mich. Previous post withdrawn.

258 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:28:42pm
259 bratwurst  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:29:12pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

No, it goes to the idea that a burglar getting shot dead is a lot less problematic than child being shot on his or her way to school.

So do the 2800 American children killed by guns in an average year all go into the “problematic” list for you? Or are you going to go “Santa” on them and separate the naughty from the nice? Which list do the 19000 gun suicides (widely reported) go on?

260 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:31:47pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

No, it goes to the idea that a burglar getting shot dead is a lot less problematic than child being shot on his or her way to school.

Are they still dead?

261 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:31:56pm

re: #259 bratwurst

So do the 2800 American children killed by guns in an average year all go into the “problematic” list for you? Or are you going to go “Santa” on them and separate the naughty from the nice? Which list do the 19000 gun suicides (widely reported) go on?

Uh oh. You went and brought up the children. Dark don’t like that one bit, do ya Dark?

262 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:35:12pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

You need to elaborate and extend your remarks, because right now it sounds like you’re blaming the Marines.

It wasn’t from combat, he said he was never in a firefight. I don’t know what caused the radical change in his attitude. You tell me.

263 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:36:25pm

re: #259 bratwurst

So do the 2800 American children killed by guns in an average year all go into the “problematic” list for you? Or are you going to go “Santa” on them and separate the naughty from the nice? Which list do the 19000 gun suicides (widely reported) go on?

If they are in fact children, then yes. But the ‘child’ who is a 16-year old gang member killed in a turf war should really be labeled as gang member killed during the course of criminal activity. And yes, the stats are skewed by counting decisions such as that.

264 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:40:51pm

re: #262 Mich-again

It wasn’t from combat, he said he was never in a firefight. I don’t know what caused the radical change in his attitude. You tell me.

I don’t know him, so I can’t say. It might have been culture shock. Most people who go to other nations *on something other than a resort or ‘party’ vacation) come back with a better understanding of how other parts of the world live and think. But a few people who are exposed to the kinds of extreme cultural differences between places like the US and Afghanistan recoil angrily and and decide that ‘those people’ are simply bad.

Just my 2 cents, take it for what its worth.

265 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:41:05pm

re: #259 bratwurst

Do you really want to go there when we condemn to death many more thousands for being in a car? or smoking cigarettes? Or for having a shitty doctor?

We lose far more people every fucking year to these preventable deaths but right now that’s not acceptable to talk about, is it? Because those Ebil gunz cause every bad death in america and if we wish hard enough they’ll all magically disappear and no one will ever die from a stupid cause ever again.

Sorry but even believing in God I can’t swallow that level of magical thinking.

Good night.

266 bratwurst  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:42:40pm

re: #265 William Barnett-Lewis

Do you really want to go there when we condemn to death many more thousands for being in a car? or smoking cigarettes? Or for having a shitty doctor?

We lose far more people every fucking year to these preventable deaths but right now that’s not acceptable to talk about, is it? Because those Ebil gunz cause every bad death in america and if we wish hard enough they’ll all magically disappear and no one will ever die from a stupid cause ever again.

Sorry but even believing in God I can’t swallow that level of magical thinking.

Good night.

Where in discussing the fact that the CDC reports that In 2010, guns took the lives of 31,076 Americans in homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings do you get the idea that I am not troubled by other types of preventable deaths?!?!? We can multitask here. I just have a serious problem when Dark or anyone else tries to minimize this number.

Also, I don’t see anywhere I (or anyone else on LGF) wished for 300,000,000 guns to disappear.

This is an emotional topic. Everyone could use a dose of reality, yourself included.

267 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:45:01pm

re: #265 William Barnett-Lewis

Do you really want to go there when we condemn to death many more thousands for being in a car? or smoking cigarettes? Or for having a shitty doctor?

We lose far more people every fucking year to these preventable deaths but right now that’s not acceptable to talk about, is it? Because those Ebil gunz cause every bad death in america and if we wish hard enough they’ll all magically disappear and no one will ever die from a stupid cause ever again.

Sorry but even believing in God I can’t swallow that level of magical thinking.

Good night.

Yeah because voluntarily smoking Marlboro Reds for 40 years is the same as being an unlucky kid in the wrong classroom or movie theater on the wrong day.

268 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:47:23pm

Smoking cigarettes is the same as being an innocent victim of a mass murderer.. geesh.

269 prairiefire  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:48:13pm

re: #68 darthstar

Thank you!

270 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:48:17pm

Oops. /

271 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:48:50pm

We make people wear seat belts in their cars… We should make kids wear bullet proof vests at school too! Same thing! /

272 prairiefire  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:50:53pm

re: #240 TheSwedish

Sheesh. Methinks Mr. Shapiro’s quest to find someone to relieve him of his virginity isn’t going very well.

Are you Swedish?

273 bratwurst  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:50:57pm

re: #267 Mich-again

Yeah because voluntarily smoking Marlboro Reds for 40 years is the same as being an unlucky kid in the wrong classroom or movie theater on the wrong day.

Do I dare mention that increased government regulation has played a role in reducing smoking-related deaths?

274 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:51:45pm

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

Hey Mich, what’s with the downding. I wasn’t being ugly or abusive.

275 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:51:56pm

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

If they are in fact children, then yes. But the ‘child’ who is a 16-year old gang member killed in a turf war should really be labeled as gang member killed during the course of criminal activity. And yes, the stats are skewed by counting decisions such as that.

What is “skewed” about counting all deaths involving guns together? Why this need to dissect the numbers?

276 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:52:24pm

re: #273 bratwurst

Do I dare mention that increased government regulation has played a role in reducing smoking-related deaths?

Or that the ebil gubmit has forced car makers to install seat belts and airbags!

277 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:53:17pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

Hey Mich, what’s with the downding. I wasn’t being ugly or abusive.

Because you + that steaming turd of a post from the gun nut.

278 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:54:41pm

re: #277 Mich-again

Because you + that steaming turd of a post from the gun nut.

Which gun nut? I may have been perseverative, but I wasn’t being a gun nut.

279 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:55:58pm

re: #275 Targetpractice

What is “skewed” about counting all deaths involving guns together? Why this need to dissect the numbers?

Because not all those deaths have the same meaning or implications.


(I realize I’m being ultra-detailed, but I can’t help it; It’s in my genes.)

280 prairiefire  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:57:39pm

re: #262 Mich-again

At times I think our all volunteer army can sweep up too many border line personalities. But they are the ones making the sacrifice, and it is an incredible one.

281 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:57:53pm

Not you, the seagull who flew away.

282 Gus  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:59:13pm

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

Because not all those deaths have the same meaning or implications.

(I realize I’m being ultra-detailed, but I can’t help it; It’s in my genes.)

Meh. Don’t blow things out of proportion.

283 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:01:17pm

Image: hEB03FE4E.jpg

Later, lizards.

284 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:03:58pm

re: #281 Mich-again

Not you, the seagull who flew away.

I thought it was a whole flock of seagulls:

285 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:07:02pm

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

Because not all those deaths have the same meaning or implications.

(I realize I’m being ultra-detailed, but I can’t help it; It’s in my genes.)

Yet, they’re dead. Dissecting the circumstances does nothing to further the discussion and everything to turn it into an emotional battle over how many deaths of one type are acceptable versus how many of another are unacceptable.

286 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:09:25pm

I can’t sell a rusted out ‘72 Ford Maverick to my neighbor without transferring the car’s title at the Secretary of State office. Then he’ll need to show a proof of insurance to get plates so he can drive it on the road. But I can go to Walmart and legally buy a rifle and then sell it to the same neighbor without anyone knowing about it.

So yeah,, guns and cars are the same thing only different. /

287 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:10:33pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

No, it goes to the idea that a burglar getting shot dead is a lot less problematic than child being shot on his or her way to school.

FYI Burglary and robbery aren’t interchangeable terms. Burglary is strictly a property crime and doesn’t require the victim to be home. Robbery, by definition, involves an element of intimidation, threat or physical force to be applied directly to the victim.

288 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:14:21pm

Personally for me.. I was very impressed with the services, classes and care they gave Jordan when he returned from Combat. The Marines really do care.
But you know what amazed me? The Private groups that help so much.
Jordan got home at about 2-3am in Camp P. We thought it would just be family there screaming with joy.. ( 1000 people louder than an NFL Stadium..Such joy I’ve never Expeirenced 0
There was an ex-cowboy player that has dedicated his life to helping our combat Vets. that met every Marine at 3am and told them he’d love to invite them to spend time together. I think all those guys signed up to spend time with a famous NFL player.. ( who wouldn’t ?)
God Bless the heart of America..I’m very proud

289 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:16:46pm

re: #287 goddamnedfrank

FYI Burglary and robbery aren’t interchangeable terms. Burglary is strictly a property crime and doesn’t require the victim to be home. Robbery, by definition, involves an element of intimidation, threat or physical force to be applied directly to the victim.

So noted.

290 sagehen  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:27:34pm

re: #265 William Barnett-Lewis

Do you really want to go there when we condemn to death many more thousands for being in a car? or smoking cigarettes? Or for having a shitty doctor?

We lose far more people every fucking year to these preventable deaths but right now that’s not acceptable to talk about, is it?

We talk about it all the damn time, and pass all kinds of laws and regulations to address those issues.

There’s a reason Pinto gas tanks don’t explode anymore, and cars have crumply front ends to absorb the force and reduce the odds of the passenger compartment squishing, there’s seat belt laws and air bags and stronger metal alloys and increasingly strict drunk driving standards… in the 1960’s we used to have 50,000 people a year die in car wrecks, now with double the population driving double the miles we have less than 2/3 as many deaths.

Cigarette taxes are high enough to drastically reduce the odds of kids being able to start smoking in the first place, there’s warning labels and age limits and billboards and TV spots and magazine ads and on the side of buses trying to urge people to quit and you can’t smoke in restaurants or department stores or office buildings or public elevators and there’s even some state and city programs to help people quit smoking.

291 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:31:45pm

Good Night, all. I’m too weary to keep going.

292 TheSwedish  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:31:53pm

re: #272 prairiefire

“This Danish is too sweetish to Finnish!”-Lorrie Moore

293 Kragar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:48:21pm

Jon Stewart mocks Alex Jones rant: Guns needed to fight ‘imaginary Hitler’

“No one is taking away all the guns,” Stewart said. “But now I get it. Now I see what is happening. So this is what it is, their paranoid fear of a possible dystopic future prevents us from addressing our actual dystopic present. We can’t even begin to address 30,000 gun deaths that are actually in reality happening in this country every year because a few of us must remain vigilant against the rise of imaginary Hitler.”

294 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 11:06:33pm

re: #293 Kragar

Jon Stewart mocks Alex Jones rant: Guns needed to fight ‘imaginary Hitler’

30,000 annually, yet we can’t address them because it would punish “responsible gun owners.” I’ve actually heard one argue that there’s too many restrictions and we need to be looking at doing away with some because the wait is too long in certain states to buy a gun.

295 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 11:11:17pm

re: #294 Targetpractice

30,000 annually, yet we can’t address them because it would punish “responsible gun owners.” I’ve actually heard one argue that there’s too many restrictions and we need to be looking at doing away with some because the wait is too long in certain states to buy a gun.

Yes. We’re in great danger because it’s so hard to get a gun.

derp

296 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 11:12:48pm
297 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 11:13:05pm

re: #295 Four More Tears

Yes. We’re in great danger because it’s so hard to get a gun.

derp

“A criminal can get one in a day, but an honest citizen has to wait six months in New York! How is that right?!”

298 Kragar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 11:20:16pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

“A criminal can get one in a day, but an honest citizen has to wait six months in New York! How is that right?!”

Hell, in some places, you shoot a guy and the police actually question you over it. What the hell is that shit?
/

299 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 11:21:48pm

re: #298 Kragar

Hell, in some places, you shoot a guy and the police actually question you over it. What the hell is that shit?
/

I hear in Florida you can shoot black teens and it really isn’t that much of a problem…

300 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 11:22:05pm

re: #298 Kragar

Hell, in some places, you shoot a guy and the police actually question you over it. What the hell is that shit?
/

“He didn’t have a weapon? How was I supposed to know that?! I just saw something in his hand, so I didn’t waste the time to warn him!”

301 freetoken  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 11:32:53pm

My internet connection tonight is not as high speed as Cox promises… wonder what is happening.

302 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 11:34:53pm

re: #301 freetoken

My internet connection tonight is not as high speed as Cox promises… wonder what is happening.

Libruls.

303 Kragar  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 11:53:32pm

Tonight in 40k Trivia:

Rogue Traders

Rogue Traders are unique and powerful human individuals who serve as a combination freelance explorer, conquistador and interstellar merchant for the Imperium of Man. They are hereditary Imperial servants and nobles, given a starship, a crew, and sometimes a contingent of Space Marines (in very rare cases) or Imperial Guardsmen and carte blanche to roam those worlds of the galaxy that still lie beyond Imperial control or knowledge. In their task of exploring and exploiting the still-uncharted regions of the galaxy, Rogue Traders might come across worlds harbouring long-forgotten human civilisations which will be later incorporated into the Imperium by official Adeptus Mechanicus Explorator fleets and expeditions of the Imperial Navy and Imperial Guard. Other times they find empty or alien-dominated planets ripe for colonisation, conquest or exploitation by the Imperium.

304 researchok  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 12:25:12am

Morning, all

305 freetoken  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 12:27:03am
306 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 12:40:34am

the joker, the smoker, the midnight freetoker

307 researchok  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 12:53:16am

re: #305 freetoken

There’s a reason they call the genre inspirational.

That piece never gets old.

308 freetoken  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 1:20:01am
309 researchok  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 1:27:25am

Nice- who is that?

310 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 2:15:39am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

If they are in fact children, then yes. But the ‘child’ who is a 16-year old gang member killed in a turf war should really be labeled as gang member killed during the course of criminal activity. And yes, the stats are skewed by counting decisions such as that.

They’re still dead.

I realise that you don’t in fact give a shit about how many people, children or not, are killed by guns. I realise that in your mind they are all acceptable losses in order to satisfy the fantasy of America somehow looking tough and heavily armed, and the even cooler fantasy of gun battles in the street between the bad guys and other gun battles between bad guys and good guys with white hats. Incidentally, this makes you a gun nut whether you own a gun or not. And given that you are a gun nut, the purpose of this post is not to debate with you, because debating with wingnuts and cultists is pointless.

The purpose of this post is to reiterate the baldly obvious - that judging that some deaths are ‘acceptable’ because the dead people are ‘bad’ (a percentage which, even if it were true, is very much smaller than you fantasise it is) is not only morally tenuous and unprincipled, but also beside the point. This is a civilised nation, not one that separates its citizens into lesser folks who need killin’ and fine folks from good stock. And the vast majority of these deaths are preventable. They are unnecessary deaths because civilian guns are unnecessary. Having lots of guns around does not change the rate of other crimes significantly - good folks are not suddenly helpless in the face of the monstrous raving criminals you imagine lurk everywhere. Having lots of guns around simply makes more people get shot. And killed. The end. Having them around means that people get shot even when they’re not where they’re supposed to be, like the two kids above, who in a society that didn’t practice human sacrifice would probably be in custody or serving juvenile probation somewhere, but instead are dead because someone executed them. Someone who fantasised about using his guns to ‘defend’ himself, even against two unarmed and wounded teenagers.

311 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 2:19:35am

We are also a nation that thinks the Bible is a science textbook, and that TV shows like “24” and “Homeland” or films like “Zero-Dark Thirty” or “The Promised Land” are documentaries, while at the same time believing that a body of peer-reviewed science papers on global warming or vaccination can be discounted as “just a hoax”…

312 freetoken  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 2:32:32am

re: #309 researchok

Nice- who is that?

Jacques Loussier and his band.

313 freetoken  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 2:57:03am

I just renewed my drivers license, for the first time via the internet.

It was not difficult… which is good, except when I think of all the other people out there driving who frankly ought not be on the road, and just thinking that they, or someone else with their information, could renew just as easily is, kind of, scary.

314 freetoken  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 3:03:18am

I think I’ve posted this before, but it is good enough to repeat: Barbirolli conducting Delius’ “Two Aquarelles”:

315 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 5:08:17am

re: #311 Sol Berdinowitz

We are also a nation that thinks the Bible is a science textbook, and that TV shows like “24” and “Homeland” or films like “Zero-Dark Thirty” or “The Promised Land” are documentaries, while at the same time believing that a body of peer-reviewed science papers on global warming or vaccination can be discounted as “just a hoax”…

You don’t need to be a wingnut to be an anti-vaxxer, though. Being against vaccine science is a sign of a mind in flight from reality. The reason reality became too difficult to deal with can vary, as can the political beliefs of the conspiracist.

316 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 5:23:09am

re: #310 Renaissance_Man

And if this wife and mother would not have been able to defend herself and her children when a thug broke into her home. And she didn’t go looking for a fight, she hid in a crawlspace only to have the thug find her and and her children. Having a gun saved her from being attacked and possibly killed and prevented her children from being at the very least traumatized.

So, yes, I’ll take the risk of someone being an asshole murderer like that scumbag in Minnesota (and he’s gonna get life, no parole) in order to ensure that honest people can defend themselves. I make no apology for that.

317 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 5:57:46am

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

And if this wife and mother would not have been able to defend herself and her children when a thug broke into her home. And she didn’t go looking for a fight, she hid in a crawlspace only to have the thug find her and and her children. Having a gun saved her from being attacked and possibly killed and prevented her children from being at the very least traumatized.

Wingnuts are complaining that this story is not being reported by “liberal media” but it is a rallying cry for the MOAR GUNZ crowd. I have some questions about this story:

1. She shot the intruder 5 times at close range but he’s still alive?
2. Why would a burglar go deeper into a house to confront somebody hiding in a crawlspace? Usually a burglar wants to grab stuff and get the fuck out, they don’t want to cut off their escape route.

318 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:03:48am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I guess that getting skewered by Jon Stewart and others for refusing to fund the NFIP while demanding federal assistance for their own districts has taken its toll (either that, or it was the taxpayer funded trip to the NYC metro area to view the damage first-hand?) :

It shouldn’t have to come to that, but at least he’s now on the record as supporting the Sandy reconstruction aid package.

319 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:06:03am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are complaining that this story is not being reported by “liberal media” but it is a rallying cry for the MOAR GUNZ crowd. I have some questions about this story:

1. She shot the intruder 5 times at close range but he’s still alive?
2. Why would a burglar go deeper into a house to confront somebody hiding in a crawlspace? Usually a burglar wants to grab stuff and get the fuck out, they don’t want to cut off their escape route.

1. People have survived more gunshots than that and lived to tell the tale. Paul Slater (the intruder) was in excellent condition and thus had a better chance to survive (he’s not dead, I would not say some one on a ventilator is in excellent condition, hence the past tense).

2. Why Slater acted as he did isn’t not know currently. Perhaps if he recovers we will learn more.

320 Lidane  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:14:07am

Greetings from Las Vegas!

Flew in last night, checked into the hotel, and started to explore this city a little bit. I even managed to meet up with a grad school classmate and her husband for a late dinner. I can see why people keep coming back to Vegas. There’s so much to do all the time you almost feel obligated to return and try to do more.

Good thing I’m not a gambler. Being stuck in a casino actually seems like the most boring option around here.

Now I’ve got to go get ready. I’ve got a full day of walking the trade show floor at CES ahead of me. Be well, everyone! :)

321 Mattand  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:14:23am

re: #318 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I guess that getting skewered by Jon Stewart and others for refusing to fund the NFIP while demanding federal assistance for their own districts has taken its toll (either that, or it was the taxpayer funded trip to the NYC metro area to view the damage first-hand?) :

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It shouldn’t have to come to that, but at least he’s now on the record as supporting the Sandy reconstruction aid package.

I went after the guy hard twice on his Facebook page, as did plenty others, NJ residents and non-residents alike. He actually posted a response, although it was some fractured analogy that ignored his hypocrisy over Katrina aid.

I’d like to think that helped make a difference. Who knows?

322 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:16:41am

re: #320 Lidane

Greetings from Las Vegas!

Flew in last night, checked into the hotel, and started to explore this city a little bit. I even managed to meet up with a grad school classmate and her husband for a late dinner. I can see why people keep coming back to Vegas. There’s so much to do all the time you almost feel obligated to return and try to do more.

Good thing I’m not a gambler. Being stuck in a casino actually seems like the most boring option around here.

Now I’ve got to go get ready. I’ve got a full day of walking the trade show floor at CES ahead of me. Be well, everyone! :)

Are your wings tired?

323 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:17:28am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

I’m going out on a limb here and saying the woman in this situation was not experienced with firearms. The 911 call has her husband yelling at her to shoot him again and again, I’m not sure where he was while all this was going on. It’s been all over the news here in metro Atlanta,but I never heard why the guy broke in or where the husband was during the 911 call. I’ve been kinda busy with my Dad being in the hospital and haven’t been focused on the story.

324 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:20:45am

So, in a bit of sports news, it seems that Celtics player Kevin Garnett got under the skin of Knicks player Carmelo Anthony. Garnett said something about Anthony’s wife and that led to both an on the court scuffle and a potential fracas after the game but for security intervening.

Why do I think what was said was along the lines of - do you have naked pictures of your wife? No? Wanna buy some? /


Oh, and today we find out who gets their call for Cooperstown. It’s a pretty heady field, including Barry Bonds, Mike Piazza, Craig Biggio, Jeff Bagwell, and Kurt Schilling. All players who put up monster numbers or had tremendous clutch performances over a number of years. Of course, a few are indelibly linked to PEDs, so it will be interesting to see how the voters parse things out. We’ll get the first take on that later this afternoon.

325 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:21:43am

re: #323 A Mom Anon

I’m going out on a limb here and saying the woman in this situation was not experienced with firearms. The 911 call has her husband yelling at her to shoot him again and again, I’m not sure where he was while all this was going on. It’s been all over the news here in metro Atlanta,but I never heard why the guy broke in or where the husband was during the 911 call. I’ve been kinda busy with my Dad being in the hospital and haven’t been focused on the story.

The husband was also on the phone with his wife. It was a three way call.

326 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:23:13am

re: #323 A Mom Anon

I’m going out on a limb here and saying the woman in this situation was not experienced with firearms.

Certainly sounds like it. Contrast this with Adam Lanza, oh-so-well-trained by his gun-nut mother, who managed to kill nearly everyone he shot within minutes. And given how inexperienced this woman in Atlanta seemed to be, the situation could have easily turned tragic had the intruder been able to get the gun from her (and I’d like to see stats on how often that happens - a homeowner’s gun being used against them - versus them using it successfully for self-defense)

Speaking of successful self-defense, I want to see development of an instantly incapacitating but non-lethal weapon, like the tranquilizer guns wildlife officers use. But why do I have the feeling something like that is restricted as all hell, while flesh-ripping ammo is as easy to get as candy?

327 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:26:08am

re: #326 Interesting Times

Certainly sounds like it. Contrast this with Adam Lanza, oh-so-well-trained by his gun-nut mother, who managed to kill nearly everyone he shot within minutes. And given how inexperienced this woman in Atlanta seemed to be, the situation could have easily turned tragic had the intruder been able to get the gun from her (and I’d like to see stats on how often that happens - a homeowner’s gun being used against them - versus them using it successfully for self-defense)

For self-defense situations like this, I want to see development of an instantly incapacitating but non-lethal weapon, like the tranquilizer guns wildlife officers use. But why do I have the feeling something like that is restricted as all hell, while flesh-ripping ammo is as easy to get as candy?

I’d like to see the stats on “homeowner successfully shoots home invader” versus “homeowner accidentally shoots self, own kid, UPS guy, neighbor”

328 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:26:19am

re: #326 Interesting Times

It would be harder to get a tranquilizer gun because the tranquilizers are controlled substances. But bullets aren’t controlled substances.

This country has lost its collective mind.

329 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:29:27am

Developing here in NYC. A Seastreak ferry had a hard dock and multiple injuries being reported.

I’ve seen reports of 50-60 injured, but others are citing lower numbers.

330 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:30:53am

DUMBEST DERP THIS MORNING (but the day is young)

331 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:31:46am

re: #326 Interesting Times

Certainly sounds like it. Contrast this with Adam Lanza, oh-so-well-trained by his gun-nut mother, who managed to kill nearly everyone he shot within minutes. And given how inexperienced this woman in Atlanta seemed to be, the situation could have easily turned tragic had the intruder been able to get the gun from her (and I’d like to see stats on how often that happens - a homeowner’s gun being used against them - versus them using it successfully for self-defense)

For self-defense situations like this, I want to see development of an instantly incapacitating but non-lethal weapon, like the tranquilizer guns wildlife officers use. But why do I have the feeling something like that is restricted as all hell, while flesh-ripping ammo is as easy to get as candy?

The reason traq rounds are restricted is twofold:

1. Fear that they might be misused as a way to quickly deal with someone who is merely being obstreperous. “Pissed at your neighbor for yelling at you over your music? Traq him, problem solved.” This is a comparatively minor concern, however.

2. The bigger concern is that such rounds would be misused to incapacitate people in order to abduct or exploit them, and the danger here is mostly to women. Traq rounds could become tools in a rapist’s arsenal to knock out his victim or at least prevent her from resisting.

The other problem with traq rounds is that they are easily defeated by something like a thick coat. Firing a projectile at someone coming at you that does not kill or seriously wound him is worse than useless, since all you’ll have done is piss him off.

332 Lidane  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:31:49am
333 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:34:52am

re: #332 Lidane

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Late-arriving clue.

334 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:35:02am

I’m intrigued by the picture of Sandra Fluke in Ben’s list of Bullies. Did she beat him up in grade school and take away his lunch money?

335 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:35:51am

re: #330 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, it’s pretty early. Much more derp ahead I’m afraid.

336 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:35:53am

re: #330 Vicious Babushka

DUMBEST DERP THIS MORNING (but the day is young)

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Most people can’t answer those questions on political matters, so asking those legitimate questions has its utility. The DERP is in the fact that most on the right can’t answer those questions any better than those on the left, as learning how to properly explain a political position instead of spouting slogans takes time and some dedication.

But that DERP is order of magnitude less than the DERP that Bryan Fischer puts out.

337 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:37:19am

re: #334 Bulworth

I’m intrigued by the picture of Sandra Fluke in Ben’s list of Bullies. Did she beat him up in grade school and take away his lunch money?

Rush called her a slut and made up the meme that she is demanding taxpayer money for all of her birth control (the more you take, the more sex you have, it’s just like condoms or viagra) so in Wingnut Bizarro World that makes her the “bully” instead of Rush.

338 Lidane  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:37:52am

re: #333 Decatur Deb

Late-arriving clue.

Seriously. Where the hell have they been?

339 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:38:57am

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

Most people can’t answer those questions on political matters, so asking those legitimate questions has its utility. The DERP is in the fact that most on the right can’t answer those questions any better than those on the left, as learning how to properly explain a political position instead of spouting slogans takes time and some dedication.

But that DERP is order of magnitude less than the DERP that Bryan Fischer puts out.

Those questions are basically worthless with no context, they are not “one size fits all,” and the “hard evidence” one just doesn’t work on wingnuts as we see wrt climate change.

340 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:40:30am

re: #339 Vicious Babushka

Those questions are basically worthless with no context, they are not “one size fits all,” and the “hard evidence” one just doesn’t work on wingnuts as we see wrt climate change.

I like those questions. I wish someone had answered them before the invasion of Iraq.

341 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:40:39am

re: #337 Vicious Babushka

She did testify in Congress, which I guess was really mean. Only men should testify about birth control. /

342 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:41:03am

re: #341 Bulworth

She did testify in Congress, which I guess was really mean. Only men should testify about birth control. /

Oh wait…

343 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:41:10am

re: #341 Bulworth

She did testify in Congress, which I guess was really mean. Only men should testify about birth control. /

The bishops had that covered.

344 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:42:31am

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

The DERP is in the fact that most on the right can’t answer those questions any better than those on the left

Uh, no. Take climate change and evolution - there are heaps of hard evidence sane people can point to on these issues, which wingnuts counter with nothing but theocratic herp-derp and lysenkoism. That’s why the tweet Alouette posted is filled with DERP, because the questions that nitwit thinks destroy “liberal” arguments actually destroy those of wingnuts.

345 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:43:38am
theocratic herp-derp and lysenkoism

new tags!

346 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:44:43am

Typical #TGDN Tweeter:

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Wha..? Blocked for spam? #GULAG!

347 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:45:24am

re: #269 prairiefire

Thank you!

More people need to enjoy moe.

348 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:45:48am
Now the left has trained its guns once again on the Tea Party.

Interesting choice of words. I thought we were pansies for not owning guns, or not owning enough of them.

349 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:46:51am

Mornin’ hominids.

350 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:47:47am

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

What’s TGDN stand for? I already know TCOT stands for top conservative derps on tweeter.

351 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:49:10am

re: #344 Interesting Times

Uh, no. Take climate change and evolution - there are heaps of hard evidence sane people can point to on these issues, which wingnuts counter with nothing but theocratic herp-derp and lysenkoism. That’s why the tweet Alouette posted is filled with DERP, because the questions that nitwit thinks destroy “liberal” arguments actually destroy those of wingnuts.

That’s not what I mean. You’re right that strong evidence exists to support evolution, far stronger than the evidence for any other explanation for speciation. That’s why I believe in evolution myself. But most people don’t know about much of the evidence and do not know how to use the evidence they do have to full effect. So they aren’t able to argue the case for evolution effectively.

Another issue is that the sheer monomania of a wingnut (or moonbat) sometimes wins arguments all by itself. The wingnut simply DERPs out talking points till other people simply either drop the topic or give the wingnut some level of agreement out of frustration. Here at LGF we don’t have that problem most of the time, because monomaniacal posters typically fall afoul of Charles and/or Stinky and then get booted.

352 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:49:40am

re: #350 Bulworth

What’s TGDN stand for? I already know TCOT stands for top conservative derps on tweeter.

Twitter Gulag Defense Network.

353 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:50:34am

re: #350 Bulworth

What’s TGDN stand for? I already know TCOT stands for top conservative derps on tweeter.

Twitter’s Greatest Derp Nuts

354 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:53:26am

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

That’s not what I mean. You’re right that strong evidence exists to support evolution, far stronger than the evidence for any other explanation for speciation. That’s why I believe in evolution myself. But most people don’t know about much of the evidence and do not know how to use the evidence they do have to full effect. So they aren’t able to argue the case for evolution effectively.

This is absolutely not true, Dark. The simple, obvious case for evolution gets made time and time again, and the GOP and their science-denying crowd don’t pay attention or respond with the same old lunacy.

Same thing with climate change.

It is dangerous and foolish of you to blame the people giving the explanation rather than those knee-jerk rejecting it because of blind adherence to the anti-science ideology that has become embedded in the ‘conservative’ ideology in this country.

356 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:55:19am
357 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:55:45am

re: #347 darthstar

Especially when moe is accompanied by larry, curly, and sometimes shemp.

358 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:55:53am

I saw this image on my facebook feed a couple of days ago and I’m wondering if someone can explain the math to me. I KNOW there must have been more than 300 odd shooting deaths last year so where is that number coming from?

359 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:55:56am

re: #355 Vicious Babushka

Greg Gutfeld on Fox: “The biggest myth of all time is that sweatshops are bad.”

Sweatshops ARE bad, mmkay?

That depends on whether you’re the one who has the keys to the fire doors.

360 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:56:00am

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

The reason traq rounds are restricted is twofold:

1. Fear that they might be misused as a way to quickly deal with someone who is merely being obstreperous.

Bullets are used for that purpose as well.

2. The bigger concern is that such rounds would be misused to incapacitate people in order to abduct or exploit them, and the danger here is mostly to women. Traq rounds could become tools in a rapist’s arsenal to knock out his victim or at least prevent her from resisting.

There are already simpler ways for a rapist to do that. And do you think threatening someone with a gun is a tool abductors don’t already use?

The other problem with traq rounds is that they are easily defeated by something like a thick coat. Firing a projectile at someone coming at you that does not kill or seriously wound him is worse than useless, since all you’ll have done is piss him off.

If those things can penetrate the hides of animals like rhinos and elephants, and the thick fur coats of bears, I’m sure they could work around clothing. And it’s not as if murderers can’t protect themselves from regular bullets, anyway.

In other words, no, your “guns are better than non-lethal weapons” doesn’t hold water, nor the implication that we’re justified in regulating tranquilizers more heavily than lethal ammunition.

361 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:56:50am

re: #355 Vicious Babushka

Greg Gutfeld on Fox: “The biggest myth of all time is that sweatshops are bad.”

Sweatshops ARE bad, mmkay?

Well they are great for corporate executives because it allows them to manufacture goods at very low prices which means more profit for the company and more money in their pockets.

Remember who Gutfield is really speaking for here.

362 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:57:25am

re: #355 Vicious Babushka

OFFS. Let him go work in one for a year then. What the hell has to happen to people in their lives to be able to say that shit and think it’s OK?

363 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:58:10am

re: #358 dragonfire1981

I saw this image on my facebook feed a couple of days ago and I’m wondering if someone can explain the math to me. I KNOW there must have been more than 300 odd shooting deaths last year so where is that number coming from?

This wingnut meme comes from comparing all types of blunt force trauma to ONE specific model of firearm (excluding handguns, shotguns).

364 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:58:57am

I live in deep south. That means there are a lot of conservatives where I work. I’ve lost count of the number of times I have been stuck listening to my colleagues in long conversations sprinkled with Fox News talking point after talking point. I want to say something, but I know it’s 100X better to keep my mouth shut.

365 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:59:42am

re: #363 Vicious Babushka

This wingnut meme comes from comparing all types of blunt force trauma to ONE specific model of firearm (excluding handguns, shotguns).

Ahh. That makes a little more sense. But are they also referencing deaths from one particular type of hammer? :P

366 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:00:26am

Sexist DERP or parody account? All those “hot babes” are spammers.

367 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:00:43am

re: #364 dragonfire1981

I live in deep south. That means there are a lot of conservatives where I work. I’ve lost count of the number of times I have been stuck listening to my colleagues in long conversations sprinkled with Fox News talking point after talking point. I want to say something, but I know it’s 100X better to keep my mouth shut.

Move back to Canada. Being surrounded by that much derp can’t be good for one’s mental health.

368 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:00:59am

re: #365 dragonfire1981

Ahh. That makes a little more sense. But are they also referencing deaths from one particular type of hammer? :P

No, they are counting all types of blunt force vs. .22 caliber rifle.

369 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:01:28am

re: #355 Vicious Babushka

Well, it’s about time someone stood up for the rights of sweatshop owners. /

370 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:01:51am

Good morning lizards!

My wife and I decided to move to the Nashville area so now I’m searching for a job out there. The price of real estate is amazingly cheap.

371 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:01:56am

re: #355 Vicious Babushka

Are there no workhouses? Are there no sweatshops?

372 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:02:29am

re: #358 dragonfire1981

The FBI unified crime stats breaks down criminal activities and homicides by the type of implement used.

This is one such FBI statistical breakdown.

But as you note from the FBI stat - it takes into account all blunt instruments - clubs, hammers, etc. but breaks out different kinds of firearms: rifles, shotguns, handguns, and weapons of unknown type.

Total firearms for 2011 - 8,583
Handguns firearms for 2011 - 6,220
Rifles firearms for 2011 - 323
Shotguns firearms for 2011 - 356
Other guns firearms for 2011 - 97
Firearms, type not stated firearms for 2011 - 1,587
Knives or cutting instruments firearms for 2011 - 1,694
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) firearms for 2011 - 496
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)1 firearms for 2011 - 728

So, they take one statistic out of context, and make it appear that the problem isn’t a certain kind of firearm. The most prevalent kind of weapon used in committing homicide is a handgun. It’s nearly 50% of all homicides by itself. Rifles are often used in mass casualty attacks, but it’s not the most common weapon used in homicides.

373 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:02:32am

re: #363 Vicious Babushka

This wingnut meme comes from comparing all types of blunt force trauma to ONE specific model of firearm (excluding handguns, shotguns).

When I see wingnuts post that I ask them to show me where someone walked into a theatre/mall/school with a hammer and killed dozens of people.

374 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:03:57am

re: #373 darthstar

When I see wingnuts post that I ask them to show me where someone walked into a theatre/mall/school with a hammer and killed dozens of people.

It’s especially dumb because right at the same time as Newton, a madman in China attacked a school with a knife. He injured more than twenty— killed none.

375 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:05:02am

re: #366 Vicious Babushka

Sexist DERP or parody account? All those “hot babes” are spammers.

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All the hot babes that followed me on twitter left me in less than 24 hours. Whatever happened to the fidelity of the porn-bot?

376 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:07:44am

re: #360 Interesting Times

More reasons then: Unlike the lead or bismuth alloys used to produce bullets, traq drugs are controlled substances. The ATF is also barred by act of Congress from treating the ‘smokeless power’ of modern firearms as an ‘explosive’ in terms of licencing, while access to controlled traq drugs remains subject to a thicket of controls.

Also, traq drugs don’t work instantly, and even a 5 second delay can give an attacker time to cut your throat. A .45 ACP round, by contrast, will knock him off his feet right away.

377 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:09:32am

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

Ironically, pointing out that tranquilizing drugs are more heavily regulated than actual bullets is probably not going to help your point as much as you think.

378 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:10:52am

DERP.

379 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:12:16am

I’m also still amazed that somebody with an Ayn Rand inspired tweet name doesn’t even realize that Ayn Rand was ferociously pro-choice.

That’s how fricken dumb they are.

380 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:14:25am

Oh, Eww. How did this blocked stalker show up?

381 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:15:06am

re: #377 Obdicut

Ironically, pointing out that tranquilizing drugs are more heavily regulated than actual bullets is probably not going to help your point as much as you think.

I don’t think it helps the logic. It just explains the practicalities. RWC has dealt with the issue of non-lethal weapons and the reasoning behind their restrictions extensively and the way the laws are written is a point he talks about often.

382 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:15:06am

re: #379 Vicious Babushka

If I was a Twitterer I think I’d have to tweet some of those quotes from Rand right back at them. Not only was she pro-choice but she collected those awful government benefits too.

383 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:15:10am

re: #379 Vicious Babushka

And ferociously anti-religious. This is pure ODS, with no effort at ideological consistency.

384 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:16:27am

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

A .45 ACP round, by contrast, will knock him off his feet right away.

Assuming:
1) Your attacker makes himself known like the characters in video games do…apparently, a majority of attackers employ stealth methods (Hiding behind cars, trees, walls, etc. and laying in wait for their victims, or sneaking up on them in the dark…from behind.).
2) You know what you’re doing with a .45 (most people don’t…yourself included by your own admission)
3) You’ve been trained in how to use a firearm in close combat…requires a bit of martial arts most likely.
4) You don’t miss.

385 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:17:30am

re: #380 Vicious Babushka

Oh, Eww. How did this blocked stalker show up?

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What’s he talking about?

386 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:18:12am

re: #381 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think it helps the logic. It just explains the practicalities. RWC has dealt with the issue of non-lethal weapons and the reasoning behind their restrictions extensively and the way the laws are written is a point he talks about often.

We’re talking about changing law, so talking about current law as a barrier is kind of silly. People are not going to guy and buy tranq bullets, cut them open, and access the tranqs that way, not when they can buy the shit on the street for a fraction of the price.

387 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:18:30am

re: #385 Gus

What’s he talking about?

About somebody being suspended from Twitter, apparently only Charles has the ability to do that.

388 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:19:21am

re: #387 Vicious Babushka

About somebody being suspended from Twitter, apparently only Charles has the ability to do that.

So Shoq buys into that bologna too then. Unless he’s being sarcastic or something.

389 palomino  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:19:25am

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

More reasons then: Unlike the lead or bismuth alloys used to produce bullets, traq drugs are controlled substances. The ATF is also barred by act of Congress from treating the ‘smokeless power’ of modern firearms as an ‘explosive’ in terms of licencing, while access to controlled traq drugs remains subject to a thicket of controls.

Also, traq drugs don’t work instantly, and even a 5 second delay can give an attacker time to cut your throat. A .45 ACP round, by contrast, will knock him off his feet right away.

Now you’re just throwing everything but the kitchen sink into the argument.

Until the wingnuts get over their erotic fixation on firearms (and the knee-jerk defense of them in all cases), we won’t make any progress on this issue. And the absolutist view that “they’re coming to take all my guns” is an absurd paranoid delusion that your party fosters. I don’t know how many more Newtowns and Auroras and Virginia Techs it will take, but more mass shootings will probably lead us to a tipping point eventually. Assault rifle legislation wasn’t even on the radar two months ago; Newtown changed that. Now imagine the impact of more Newtowns going forward. Even the NRA is on the defensive. A civilized nation will at some point demand some sort of action in the face of unparalleled (in the developed world) slaughter of civilians.

390 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:21:12am

re: #389 palomino

Oh, you shot me! But I still have five seconds to cut your throat…come here!

391 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:22:32am

re: #388 Gus

So Shoq buys into that bologna too then. Unless he’s being sarcastic or something.

That’s how I interpreted the comment, especially given this earlier tweet:

392 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:22:33am

re: #387 Vicious Babushka

About somebody being suspended from Twitter, apparently only Charles has the ability to do that.

And the henchmen. Can’t forget about the Henchmen.

393 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:23:08am

I notice that every example held up as “proof” of the saving power of guns seems to blast a hole in one or more myths about the effectiveness of guns as a both a deterrent and as a means of defense.

394 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:23:42am

re: #378 Vicious Babushka

This is the problem with contemporary Christianism: it’s only concern is with its own rights and privileges, not the needs of actual, you know, people. Basically it’s just become another whiny interest group.

395 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:23:57am

re: #391 Interesting Times

That’s how I interpreted the comment, especially given this earlier tweet:

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I blocked him some time ago, he was totally stalking @AngryBlackLady

396 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:25:02am

re: #390 darthstar

Oh, you shot me! But I still have five seconds to cut your throat…come here!

I remember a scene from I think Desperado where the Antonio Banderas character pulls out a knife against a gun brandishing bad guy.

The bad guy says “you dumb son of a bitch, bringing a knife to a gun fight”

Then Banderas presses the button on the (ballistic) knife and the blade impales the guy in the throat before he can even get a shot off.

397 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:25:37am

re: #393 Targetpractice

I notice that every example held up as “proof” of the saving power of guns seems to blast a hole in one or more myths about the effectiveness of guns as a both a deterrent and as a means of defense.

I see what you did there.

398 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:26:12am

re: #391 Interesting Times

That’s how I interpreted the comment, especially given this earlier tweet:

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Doesn’t seem like a troll to me…at least in this instance.

399 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:27:34am

re: #395 Vicious Babushka

I blocked him some time ago, he was totally stalking @AngryBlackLady

Blogging questions: How do people tell nics are the same human from venue to venue? Related, why would anyone use the same nic on more than one blog/group? Kind of attenuates the goal of anonymity.

400 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:28:31am
401 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:29:04am

re: #399 Decatur Deb

Blogging questions: How do people tell nics are the same human from venue to venue? Related, why would anyone use the same nic on more than one blog/group? Kind of attenuates the goal of anonymity.

I use a similar nickname on two different blogs, but neither is linked in any way to me real name. I.e. if you looked at my profile on each site, there’s nothing there that would lead you to who I actually am.

402 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:29:21am

re: #393 Targetpractice

I notice that every example held up as “proof” of the saving power of guns seems to blast a hole in one or more myths about the effectiveness of guns as a both a deterrent and as a means of defense.

You wouldn’t say that if you felt the power of a Smith & Remington .65 Caliber AutoMag with Lazer sights and a 9x scope and a silencer in your hands…like a baby, only different.

403 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:30:59am

re: #399 Decatur Deb

Blogging questions: How do people tell nics are the same human from venue to venue? Related, why would anyone use the same nic on more than one blog/group? Kind of attenuates the goal of anonymity.

I picked the nic “Alouette” years ago because when you Googled it you got a whole bunch of French children’s songs, cheese spread, Canadian football, helicopters before you got to my screen name.

Now if you want to Google the original meaning of “Vicious Babushka” you will get like a ton of stuff from my blog.

404 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:31:38am

Jon Stewart (to paraphrase):

Because of a paranoid few who think we’re a slippery slope away from a dystopian future without firearms, we can’t even begin to address sensible firearms policy in the current dystopian present where 30,000 are killed with firearms every year (homicides/suicides).

405 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:33:06am

Seriously, five rounds and the guy was still able to stagger away and is still alive. If he’d been wearing any sort of body armor, this “brave” housewife would be just another statistic.

406 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:33:24am

re: #402 darthstar

You wouldn’t say that if you felt the power of a Smith & Remington .65 Caliber AutoMag with Lazer sights and a 9x scope and a silencer in your hands…like a baby, only different.

That post in either genuine or such an outstandingly good imitation that I cannot tell the difference.

407 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:34:07am

TGDN is now being swarmed by the pornbots.

408 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:34:15am
409 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:35:04am

re: #403 Vicious Babushka

I picked the nic “Alouette” years ago because when you Googled it you got a whole bunch of French children’s songs, cheese spread, Canadian football, helicopters before you got to my screen name.

Now if you want to Google the original meaning of “Vicious Babushka” you will get like a ton of stuff from my blog.

Yeh. Anonymity is rather a joke on a informal blog. The first time you mention your birthday you lose 364/365ths of your obscurity.

410 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:35:39am

re: #402 darthstar

You wouldn’t say that if you felt the power of a Smith & Remington .65 Caliber AutoMag with Lazer sights and a 9x scope and a silencer in your hands…like a baby, only different.

Now if Feline Overlords had oppose-able thumbs, or skull mounts for similar weapons I am sure that gun safes, trigger locks, and such safeguards would be a lot more common, if not extreme restrictions in order to keep firearms out of cat’s paws.

Tuna. In the dish. NOW.
/

411 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:35:44am

re: #407 Vicious Babushka

TGDN is now being swarmed by the pornbots.

RWNJs need lovin’ too.

412 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:36:18am

re: #399 Decatur Deb

Blogging questions: How do people tell nics are the same human from venue to venue? Related, why would anyone use the same nic on more than one blog/group? Kind of attenuates the goal of anonymity.

Not if the nic, as dragonfire points out, gives no clue as to your real identity. And using the same nic on different sites allows you to build up a consistent online persona/reputation without revealing who you really are (same way authors have traditionally used pseudonyms)

413 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:36:23am

re: #411 Decatur Deb

RWNJs need lovin’ too.

I laughed so hard!

414 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:36:39am

re: #405 Targetpractice

Seriously, five rounds and the guy was still able to stagger away and is still alive. If he’d been wearing any sort of body armor, this “brave” housewife would be just another statistic.

There are times ‘If’ is all we have. Life and death are sometimes determined by events or decision by others over which we have no control. She did the best she could with what she had, and in her case her best proved to be good enough.

415 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:36:39am

re: #398 darthstar

Doesn’t seem like a troll to me…at least in this instance.

I follow Shoq on twitter. He isn’t a troll. He can be a drama queen from time to time (google his online love affair that went public). But, he’s certainly not a troll.

416 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:37:20am

re: #406 Dark_Falcon

That post in either genuine or such an outstandingly good imitation that I cannot tell the difference.

Well, I’m not quite the Walter Mitty you are, but I try.

417 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:37:54am

the “I laughed so hard” pr0nbots have overwhelmed TGDN. HAHA

418 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:38:05am

re: #414 Dark_Falcon

There are times ‘If’ is all we have. Life and death are sometimes determined by events or decision by others over which we have no control. She did the best she could with what she had, and in her case her best proved to be good enough.

Her best proved that I wouldn’t trust her with a peashooter. Hubby should turn in that .38 and buy her a shotgun.

419 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:38:07am

re: #412 Interesting Times

Not if the nic, as dragonfire points out, gives no clue as to your real identity. And using the same nic on different sites allows you to build up a consistent online persona/reputation without revealing who you really are (same way authors have traditionally used pseudonyms)

Yeah, but one breach, or determined cross-referencing, makes for an easy ‘out’.

420 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:38:52am

re: #407 Vicious Babushka

TGDN is now being swarmed by the pornbots.

Couldn’t happen to more deserving folks. Maybe TGDN will come to stand for Top Galleries of Daily Nudes.

421 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:39:32am

re: #399 Decatur Deb

Blogging questions: How do people tell nics are the same human from venue to venue? Related, why would anyone use the same nic on more than one blog/group? Kind of attenuates the goal of anonymity.

Me,, if I were to post/ blog somewhere else I would still use SATTV4U2

I don’t think I could/ would want to remember different log ins/ passwords

hell, I’m lucky I remember THIS one!!

422 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:40:59am

re: #421 sattv4u2

Me,, if I were to post/ blog somewhere else I would still use SATTV4U2

I don’t think I could/ would want to remember different log ins/ passwords

hell, I’m lucky I remember THIS one!!

I’m only here, and on an Alabama leftie blog under another name. (Poor liberal work ethic.)

423 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:41:53am

re: #265 William Barnett-Lewis

Do you really want to go there when we condemn to death many more thousands for being in a car? or smoking cigarettes? Or for having a shitty doctor?

We lose far more people every fucking year to these preventable deaths but right now that’s not acceptable to talk about, is it? Because those Ebil gunz cause every bad death in america and if we wish hard enough they’ll all magically disappear and no one will ever die from a stupid cause ever again.

Sorry but even believing in God I can’t swallow that level of magical thinking.

Good night.

Cars surge a useful everyday purpose not related to killing things unlike guns.

Also right now you need to undergo government regulated tests before you can legally drive a car or pratice medicine but not before you can own a gun….

Let’s focus on th unregulated killers that serve no useful purpose before we worry too much about those things that kill only as an unwanted side effect….

424 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:42:53am

re: #422 Decatur Deb

I’m only here, and on an Alabama leftie blog under another name. (Poor liberal work ethic.)

I’ve had this one since my AOL/ Chat days. I look at other blogs from time to time but not registered anywhere else nor comment anywhere besides here and Facebook, that being under my meat world name

425 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:43:24am

re: #421 sattv4u2

I don’t think I could/ would want to remember different log ins/ passwords

For passwords, they tell you not to use the same one for different sites, but one way to get around that and still have something easy to remember is to tack on the name of the service, e.g.

[mypassword]LGF
[mypassword]Yahoo

(though it goes without saying that the [mypassword] portion should be something extremely hard for others to guess, and maybe you could do things to change the spelling of the service, e.g. Yah0o)

426 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:44:47am

re: #399 Decatur Deb

Blogging questions: How do people tell nics are the same human from venue to venue? Related, why would anyone use the same nic on more than one blog/group? Kind of attenuates the goal of anonymity.

There are two other Obdicuts out there, and a few other Obidicuts. I don’t actually want to be anonymous; I’ve said my real name here and enough other stuff to piece me together. I use the nic more to make a point about communication on the interwebs than an actual mask.

I weirdly have a horror of fame, though. Last night, I went to see a documentary at the IMF theater here in NYC about Sicilian pupeteers, with John Tuturro in it. Afterwards, they had a Q&A with John Tuturro and the director, a man named Pasca. After that, we adjourned to a bar, but Tuturro didn’t come. The director got to make the cool movie and then talk to fans casually, not worried they’d start stalking him or obsessively talk about his past projects. Tuturro couldn’t, he would have been swarmed.

It’d be fucking terrible to be famous. A lot of the bizarre behavior of stars I think is because of that inability to ever get peace in public.

427 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:45:47am

re: #399 Decatur Deb

Blogging questions: How do people tell nics are the same human from venue to venue? Related, why would anyone use the same nic on more than one blog/group? Kind of attenuates the goal of anonymity.

I started as darthstar99 on Yahoo chat in 1998 (some asshole already took darthstar). Became darthstar on Slate in 2000, kept it on dKos, used it on RedState for a week until I was banned for comparing Bush’s lies to Clinton’s fellatio, on a craigslist forum where local friends meet to talk about food & shit, and here.

It’s even on my photobucket account - which sometimes gets questions from my facebook friends if I link a pic on Photobucket instead of reuploading.

Now, there are other darthstars out there, I know…but they’re all just cheap imitations.

Oh, fuck…twitter too. Forgot that one.

428 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:46:40am

re: #425 Interesting Times

So your password here is 12345LGF?

429 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:47:34am

re: #418 Targetpractice

Her best proved that I wouldn’t trust her with a peashooter. Hubby should turn in that .38 and buy her a shotgun.

Nothing in that incident revealed her to be untrustworthy. She didn’t go looking for trouble, she tried to avoid it, and only fired as a last resort. She didn’t mishandle the gun and in a high stress situation hit 5 out of 6 times. And when Paul Slater retreated she did not pursue, but stayed with her children. That’s about as trustworthy and responsible as it is possible to be.

Maybe she could have loaded hollow point rounds and killed Slater, but in that case some people here would likely be complaining about that and calling her a zealot or a ‘Rambo’.

Bottom Line: Attacker stopped, mother and children safe, mother followed all laws and acted responsibly.

430 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:48:36am

re: #423 jamesfirecat

Saying that guns are ‘unregulated’ is highly inaccurate, James.

431 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:49:07am

re: #425 Interesting Times

For passwords, they tell you not to use the same one for different sites, but one way to get around that and still have something easy to remember is to tack on the name of the service, e.g.

[mypassword]LGF
[mypassword]Yahoo

(though it goes without saying that the [mypassword] portion should be something extremely hard for others to guess, and maybe you could do things to change the spelling of the service, e.g. Yah0o)

Good advice, but like I said, i’m only here and Facebook (that, with my real name)

432 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:50:48am

re: #431 sattv4u2

Good advice, but like I said, i’m only here and Facebook (that, with my real name)

Just tell me it’s not your real face.

433 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:51:13am

re: #426 Obdicut

re: #427 darthstar

I was a good bit more concerned with anonymity when I joined because LGF still had some worrisome characters/stalkers. (One of the worst seemed to live near one of my kids.) I’ve thrown away any real cover as the stalker site has faded. Being retired means there’s no RL threat to jobs, etc.

I do keep to the DoD strictures on license-plate passwords and changes, just out of habit.

434 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:51:15am

re: #432 darthstar

Just tell me it’s not your real face.

I had my ass to the camera! (I think,,, hard to tell the difference)

435 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:52:16am

re: #432 darthstar

re: #434 sattv4u2

I had my ass to the camera! (I think,,, hard to tell the difference)

Truth be told, it is my face,,, 3 years ago,, now, sans mustache

436 iossarian  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:52:34am

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

Saying that guns are ‘unregulated’ is highly inaccurate, James.

Maybe it’s more accurate to say “anyone visiting the US from a country with sane gun laws would come away with the impression that guns are completely unregulated.”

Seriously, people laugh out loud in Europe when you tell them how easy it is to buy a gun here. And then they do a double take. They literally don’t believe it on first hearing.

437 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:53:06am

re: #429 Dark_Falcon

Nothing in that incident revealed her to be untrustworthy. She didn’t go looking for trouble, she tried to avoid it, and only fired as a last resort. She didn’t mishandle the gun and in a high stress situation hit 5 out of 6 times. And when Paul Slater retreated she did not pursue, but stayed with her children. That’s about as trustworthy and responsible as it is possible to be.

Maybe she could have loaded hollow point rounds and killed Slater, but in that case some people here would likely be complaining about that and calling her a zealot or a ‘Rambo’.

Bottom Line: Attacker stopped, mother and children safe, mother followed all laws and acted responsibly.

Attacker stopped because attacker chose to retreat and was unarmed. I’m personally waiting to hear what this guy’s motivation was. Considering news reports that all he did was rummage around and was begging for her to stop shooting him, I’m left to wonder if wasn’t high on something.

438 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:53:36am

And with that, I need to get to work. BBL.

439 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:53:53am

re: #433 Decatur Deb

Because of the interesting effects of entropy, a password like badassmotherfuckingpassword is a lot more secure, and easier to remember, than 14jt!4jr. Basically, length is superior to character complexity by a large factor, especially in terms of being able to remember it.

440 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:54:15am

@Mar_lobster = this is a really dumbass #TGDN spammer.

441 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:57:31am

re: #439 Obdicut

Because of the interesting effects of entropy, a password like badassmotherfuckingpassword is a lot more secure, and easier to remember, than 14jt!4jr. Basically, length is superior to character complexity by a large factor, especially in terms of being able to remember it.

I use the same two passwords I got from my first IT company. I’ve got a couple of others I use for personal accounts that are straight text - but if I’m worried at all about security I default to one of those two with or without a capital letter.

442 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:58:34am

re: #379 Vicious Babushka

I’m also still amazed that somebody with an Ayn Rand inspired tweet name doesn’t even realize that Ayn Rand was ferociously pro-choice.

That’s how fricken dumb they are.

Not just pro choice, but also pro gay marriage even back in her day….

“I do not approve of such practices or regard them as necessarily moral, but it is improper for the law to interfere with a relationship between consenting adults.”
Rand Answers, p. 18

443 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:58:52am

re: #440 Vicious Babushka

Glad to see you getting so much entertainment value out of the TGDN. It’s very rare a hashtag will hold my attention for more than a few minutes.

444 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:59:31am

re: #415 Dr. Matt

I follow Shoq on twitter. He isn’t a troll. He can be a drama queen from time to time (google his online love affair that went public). But, he’s certainly not a troll.

What I’ve read about that affair involved much stalking on his part. Bad behavior.

445 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:59:37am

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

Saying that guns are ‘unregulated’ is highly inaccurate, James.

Is it accurate to say they are not regulated anywhere near as heavily as cars are…? Because that was kind of my point DF.

446 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:59:44am

I wonder if Ben will soon add Gabby Giffords and her husband to the rolls of bullies, for forming a political group to oppose gun violence. This is bullying, plain and simple./

447 darthstar  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:59:47am

Okay, that room isn’t going to put the last coat of paint on itself.

Catch you all later.

448 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:00:21am

re: #347 darthstar

More people need to enjoy moe.

While researching a trivia sheet on fan club names, I learned that fans of moe consider themselves “moe.rons.”

Awesome.

449 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:00:22am

re: #439 Obdicut

Because of the interesting effects of entropy, a password like badassmotherfuckingpassword is a lot more secure, and easier to remember, than 14jt!4jr. Basically, length is superior to character complexity by a large factor, especially in terms of being able to remember it.

Easier, but not more secure if a serious hostile system is after you. We had to make up our own passwords and submit them for testing, and that only got us into the lowest level network. (The big vulnerability was still human—password sharing and such.) The crap that Manning pulled should have been no surprise.

450 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:00:42am

re: #443 darthstar

Glad to see you getting so much entertainment value out of the TGDN. It’s very rare a hashtag will hold my attention for more than a few minutes.

It makes my Derp list look highbrow and intellectual.

451 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:02:14am

re: #360 Interesting Times

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

Tranq dosages are also specific to body weight, age, sex, etc. There is no “one size fits all.” One tranq might make someone sleepy and groggy (and still armed), while another might well send him into cardiac arrest.

That’s the reason your anesthesiologist gets a lot of training.

452 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:02:27am

re: #415 Dr. Matt

I follow Shoq on twitter. He isn’t a troll. He can be a drama queen from time to time (google his online love affair that went public). But, he’s certainly not a troll.

@AngryBlackLady would disagree. His harassment of her was horrific.

453 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:03:10am

Yesterday i suggested that it was difficult to believe that conservatives were opting for government funded heath care solutions for mental illness rather than legislation that may limit in any way their 2nd amendment rights. Well just like clockwork it does appear that they may not have the same thing in mind that many of us imagine when we think of mental health care.
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

I suspect that most of these folks would prefer to see a health care system more like this (content warning - may be offensive to some)….

454 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:04:51am

re: #452 Vicious Babushka

@AngryBlackLady would disagree. His harassment of her was horrific.

This discussion is what made me think there could be more than one human with the same name. Sounds like the group is discussing different personalities.

455 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:05:25am

“The Naked Gun” DERP FAIL

456 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:06:10am

re: #454 Decatur Deb

This discussion is what made me think there could be more than one human with the same name. Sounds like the group is discussing different personalities.

Or one guy with different personalities.

457 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:06:54am

re: #449 Decatur Deb

Easier, but not more secure if a serious hostile system is after you. We had to make up our own passwords and submit them for testing, and that only got us into the lowest level network. (The big vulnerability was still human—password sharing and such.) The crap that Manning pulled should have been no surprise.

In every case where it was tried, giving out free USB sticks as a gift to senior executives at any company, no matter how ‘security conscious’, resulted in some VP sticking that USB into his work computer.

458 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:09:08am

re: #457 Obdicut

In every case where it was tried, giving out free USB sticks as a gift to senior executives at any company, no matter how ‘security conscious’, resulted in some VP sticking that USB into his work computer.

All the years that I have been in IT, I have never seen one of those really cool red DOWNLOAD STATUS pop-ups like they show in the movies.

459 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:11:02am

re: #457 Obdicut

In every case where it was tried, giving out free USB sticks as a gift to senior executives at any company, no matter how ‘security conscious’, resulted in some VP sticking that USB into his work computer.

When they first came out, it was fashionable for our guys to wear a stick on their dogtag chains. That lasted a very short time.

460 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:12:03am

Northern Florida just got something scarier than wingnuts:

Jacksonville, FL —

A warning to stay out of the ocean in Jacksonville Beach.

GPS tracking by the Ocean Research Group has discovered two Great White Sharks. The group even names the sharks.

“Mary Lee” was tracked to the Jax Beach surf zone around 12:46am Tuesday. She is 16 ft long, nearly 3500 lbs. She was first tagged in September in Cape Cod.

The other, named “Genie”, was tracked around 50 miles off the coast of Jacksonville. She weighs in nearly 2300 lbs, 14 ft 8 in long. She was also tagged in Cape Cod in September.

This is Mary Lee last year being tagged:

Image: Great_White_Shark.jpg

461 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:13:13am

re: #460 Dark_Falcon

Northern Florida just got something scarier than wingnuts:

This is Mary Lee last year being tagged:

Image: Great_White_Shark.jpg

On the Internets, all catfish are Great White Sharks.

462 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:13:30am

re: #454 Decatur Deb

This discussion is what made me think there could be more than one human with the same name. Sounds like the group is discussing different personalities.

It does sound like that, however some people seem to be perfectly ok, then another aspect of them is revealed. Happened here over and over as people turned stalker. Same deal with Shoq, I think.

463 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:15:43am

re: #461 Decatur Deb

On the Internets, all catfish are Great White Sharks.

That isn’t a catfish. It’s a female Great While, and she weighs more than a ton and half.

464 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:17:14am

re: #51 calochortus

I still don’t get why so many people care what other consenting adults are doing. I can see being uncomfortable with public displays of affection-but I’m not really a fan of anyone overdoing that.

Because they are religious fanatics that believe, quite literally, that God will take away our status as His Favored Nation if we allow Teh Gayz to get married.

Full stop, no exceptions. This is why it is impossible to reason with these people, and why they make comparisons of homosexuality to pedophilia or people marrying trees or animals. Their reasoning is not based on any logical understanding of what marriage is or is not in our present society, it is based entirely on irrational fear of an invisible skydad that will be very angry with them if they let the homos live in peace.

465 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:17:28am

Bullets damage Ga. Muslim house of prayer

FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. —

Authorities in Fayetteville say a Muslim house of prayer has been targeted in a shooting.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ([Link: bit.ly…] reports an alarm was triggered around 2 a.m. Tuesday the house of prayer on Flatt Creek Trail, and when deputies arrived they saw that four windows had been damaged by bullets. Police told the newspaper the privately owned building is not a mosque.

Authorities have not determined whether the incident is a hate crime and say no one was inside the building at the time. Police say other buildings near the house of prayer were also damaged by bullets, and authorities are asking for help from the public for information on the incident.

466 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:17:28am

re: #463 Dark_Falcon

That isn’t a catfish. It’s a female Great While, and she weighs more than a ton and half.

So those nice older ladies in my home town really do want to meet me, just like the sidebar says?

467 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:17:37am

re: #407 Vicious Babushka

TGDN is now being swarmed by the pornbots.

Twitter Sexy Gulag?

468 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:17:54am

re: #463 Dark_Falcon

That isn’t a catfish. It’s a female Great While, and she weighs more than a ton and half.

Lies! The guy that installed the transmitter was a Cat. //

469 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:18:10am

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

Bullets damage Ga. Muslim house of prayer

So…what we need now is to arm muslims?

Oh snap!

470 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:18:14am

Burlington VT is on verge of having assualt weapons ban and ban on high capacity ammo carriers. It would still need to be approved by the state legislature though. Cue the gun lover claim that they’re coming for the guns of legitimate owners or that this isn’t going to do a damned thing.

471 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:18:30am

re: #468 Gus

Lies! The guy that installed the transmitter was a Cat. //

Warning. That’s a big page to load.

472 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:18:41am

re: #466 Decatur Deb

So those nice older ladies in my home town really do want to meet me, just like the sidebar says?

No, but when actual scientist say that that huge fish would like to eat you, you might want to get out of the water.

473 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:20:12am

re: #439 Obdicut

Because of the interesting effects of entropy, a password like badassmotherfuckingpassword is a lot more secure, and easier to remember, than 14jt!4jr. Basically, length is superior to character complexity by a large factor, especially in terms of being able to remember it.

Hey! How did you get into Samuel L Jackson’s computer??

474 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:20:28am

re: #472 Dark_Falcon

No, but when actual scientist say that that huge fish would like to eat you, you might want to get out of the water.

Yeah—they used to have that problem in Jaffa.

475 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:20:46am

re: #469 dragonfire1981

So…what we need now is to arm muslims?

Oh snap!

All Imams should be armed immediately. In fact, I propose Sharia compliant gun shows so that Muslims can transact in guns, ammo and other legal weapons in complete anonymity and away from the prying eyes of law enforcement./

476 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:21:48am

re: #469 dragonfire1981

So…what we need now is to arm muslims?

Oh snap!

It’s Georgia—first I’d look to see if there’s a “Deer Crossing” sign out front.

477 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:22:15am

Government considers minting $1 trillion coin

Just don’t give it to Mr. Burns…

478 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:22:26am

re: #476 Decatur Deb

It’s Georgia—first I’d look to see if there’s a “Deer Crossing” sign out front.

Its Georgia. I suspect they were shooting at Muslims.

479 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:23:15am

re: #473 dragonfire1981

All you have to do is find the one that says bad motherfucker on it. /Jules

480 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:23:58am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

30K is an overestimate, and not a small one either.

It is not an overestimate. That’s wishful thinking on your part, totally unrelated to the facts.

Gun deaths by homicide, suicide or accident peaked at 37,666 in 1993 before declining to a low of 28,393 in 2000, the data show. Since then the total has risen to 31,328 in 2010, an increase of 2,935, or eight more victims a day.

More at Bloomberg…

If anyone wants actual stats you can find them at the CDC. Here are the search results for firearm deaths 2010. The 8th item in the results was the National Vital Statistics Reports, Volume 60, Number 4 (PDF), which provides numbers for 2009.

Realizing that the data I wanted would be found in “National Vital Statistics Reports” I searched for that, and the very first result took me to exactly what I wanted, a page with reports from as far back as the ’90s up until the present. The reports can be quite long, but all you have to do is press “ctrl + F” in Acrobat to bring up the search box, then enter firearms.

This isn’t rocket science, D_F. Pull your head out of the sand and face the facts instead of crying “foul” because you don’t like the numbers.

481 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:25:00am

re: #477 dragonfire1981

Government considers minting $1 trillion coin

Just don’t give it to Mr. Burns…

So where would this coin go, eventually?

482 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:25:48am

re: #477 dragonfire1981

Yeah, there’s a few people complaining that there’s no way you can mint a $1t coin because it would be the size of the Titanic if minted in platinum. That, of course, ignores that the government can set the value of a piece of paper or coin at whatever denomination it sees fit. The Mint sets the price of a coin of a certain size as a quarter dollar, but the value of the actual metal is a few pennies (it’s actually most cost effective for the mint to strike a quarter than a penny, which is an argument to eliminate the penny from circulation due to costs to make).

483 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:25:51am

re: #481 Gus

So where would this coin go, eventually?

Somebody would throw it into some large body of water “for good luck”

484 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:26:16am

re: #477 dragonfire1981

Government considers minting $1 trillion coin

Just don’t give it to Mr. Burns…

No, do give to him. He’s a Republican and we’ve tightened party discipline, he knows that such a coin should only be used to pay down the national debt.

///

485 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:26:23am

re: #481 Gus

So where would this coin go, eventually?

Planned Parenthood////

486 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:26:42am

re: #482 lawhawk

Yeah, there’s a few people complaining that there’s no way you can mint a $1t coin because it would be the size of the Titanic if minted in platinum. That, of course, ignores that the government can set the value of a piece of paper or coin at whatever denomination it sees fit. The Mint sets the price of a coin of a certain size as a quarter dollar, but the value of the actual metal is a few pennies (it’s actually most cost effective for the mint to strike a quarter than a penny, which is an argument to eliminate the penny from circulation due to costs to make).

Canada has eliminated the penny SO WHY DO I HAVE ALL THESE LAME CANADIAN PENNIES?

487 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:27:13am
488 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:27:32am

re: #486 Vicious Babushka

They’re 1/100th loonies? /

489 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:29:28am

re: #486 Vicious Babushka

Its new. They are starting this year to take out of circulation. Its about time. I wouldn’t be against them getting rid of nickels either. Even gumball machines for the kids are at least a quarter.

490 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:29:40am

TGDN spammer got pwn3d by real spammers. Sweet.

491 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:30:15am

re: #482 lawhawk

Yeah, there’s a few people complaining that there’s no way you can mint a $1t coin because it would be the size of the Titanic if minted in platinum. That, of course, ignores that the government can set the value of a piece of paper or coin at whatever denomination it sees fit. The Mint sets the price of a coin of a certain size as a quarter dollar, but the value of the actual metal is a few pennies (it’s actually most cost effective for the mint to strike a quarter than a penny, which is an argument to eliminate the penny from circulation due to costs to make).

I was exchanging some currency in Turkey once, and the teller deducted some of the value of my $20 bill because a corner was torn off. I could not at the time explain very well how money really works in English, let alone Turkish.

492 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:31:08am

re: #489 Petero1818

Its new. They are starting this year to take out of circulation. Its about time. I wouldn’t be against them getting rid of nickels either. Even gumball machines for the kids are at least a quarter.

Canada started minting new $2 twonies but all the vending machines are configured to only accept the old twonies.

FAIL

493 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:31:33am

TGDN seems to be only about TGDN. Dorks.

494 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:32:29am

re: #491 wrenchwench

Try exchanging a benjamin with a small rip in it in China. It ain’t gonna happen. The banks only want nice, intact bills. Guess I’ll have to save it for my next trip stateside.

495 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:32:59am

re: #469 dragonfire1981

re: #478 Petero1818

Its Georgia. I suspect they were shooting at Muslims.

from the article
Police say other buildings near the house of prayer were also damaged by bullets,

Looks to be more of a case someone driving by taking pot shots at anything rather than targeting a specific building

Also from the article

Police told the newspaper the privately owned building is not a mosque.

24 hour rule, I would say

496 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:35:23am

re: #492 Vicious Babushka

Canada started minting new $2 twonies but all the vending machines are configured to only accept the old twonies.

FAIL

I believe that is called job creation and pumping new money back into the economy. Think of all the work it creates to retrofit all those machines./

497 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:36:07am

re: #495 sattv4u2

re: #478 Petero1818

from the article
Police say other buildings near the house of prayer were also damaged by bullets,

Looks to be more of a case someone driving by taking pot shots at anything rather than targeting a specific building

Also from the article

Police told the newspaper the privately owned building is not a mosque.

24 hour rule, I would say

Down here it’s impolite to take random shooting personally.

498 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:36:50am

And on that note, the fetching Mrs Satty wants to do brunch!!

499 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:37:26am

re: #497 Decatur Deb

Down here it’s impolite to take random shooting personally.

Sounds a lot like Texas.

500 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:37:27am

re: #492 Vicious Babushka

Canada started minting new $2 twonies but all the vending machines are configured to only accept the old twonies.

FAIL

[Link: www.cbc.ca…]

501 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:37:56am

re: #484 Dark_Falcon

No, do give to him. He’s a Republican and we’ve tightened party discipline, he knows that such a coin should only be used to pay down the national debt.

///

Closer to reality than you think DF the purpose of the coin is to pay down the debt, thus avoiding the need to raise the debt ceiling after all…..

502 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:38:33am

re: #497 Decatur Deb

Down here it’s impolite to take random shooting personally.

re: #499 CuriousLurker

Sounds a lot like Texas.

How else is “junior” going to test out his latest Christmas gift!?!?!
//

503 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:40:02am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

That’s still a major overestimate, and far too large of one. To say that 30K people died when only 10K (and I’m not sure about that one either), means that 2 out 3 people you say died did not in fact die. That’s often a sign you are dealing with someone playing fast and loose with the facts.

Are you going to ignore the facts I just provided for you in my #480?

504 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:40:03am

re: #495 sattv4u2

re: #478 Petero1818

from the article
Police say other buildings near the house of prayer were also damaged by bullets,

Looks to be more of a case someone driving by taking pot shots at anything rather than targeting a specific building

Also from the article

Police told the newspaper the privately owned building is not a mosque.

24 hour rule, I would say

In a lot of ways I agree. However, that was my “neck of the woods” less than six months ago. (Lived in Dalton, moved to Ft Oglethorpe, had business that kept me running to both plus Lafayette, Chatsworth, and Calhoun.)

There are a handful of Islamic worship centers in that corner of the state, and every one of them has had to deal with harassment and vandalism. Oh, and the occasional weapon-based threat.

Based on my knowledge I’d guess the damage to other property was due the shooters knowing it was “one of those” or spraying during a drive-by.

Yes, let’s give it the 24 hour, but I’m going to guess the core is right — it’s a wild attack that was aimed, at core, at “those terrorists.”

505 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:40:22am

re: #497 Decatur Deb

Down here it’s impolite to take random shooting personally.

As long as those bullets are served with fresh biscuits, its all cool with me./

506 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:41:01am

re: #505 Petero1818

As long as those bullets are served with fresh biscuits, its all cool with me./

Wrapped in bacon and served with grits perhaps?
/

507 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:42:10am

re: #503 CuriousLurker

Are you going to ignore the facts I just provided for you in my #480?

um, wait. He’s supposed to have read your #480 while writing his #214? When do you think he developed the ability to travel through time?

508 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:43:18am

re: #503 CuriousLurker

Are you going to ignore the facts I just provided for you in my #480?

We dealt with the issue of those stats last night, and I don’t have anything new to say this morning.

509 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:43:58am

Question. Would you characterize Gabby Gifford’s new group as anti-gun?

510 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:44:29am

Time to walk the dog. *putting on kevlar* BBL

511 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:44:37am

re: #507 kirkspencer

um, wait. He’s supposed to have read your #480 while writing his #214? When do you think he developed the ability to travel through time?

Um, no, but he’s answered at least one other person since I posted that, so I know he’s here and would appreciate it if he’d admit he was wrong.

512 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:45:39am

re: #509 Gus

Question. Would you characterize Gabby Gifford’s new group as anti-gun?

No.

513 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:46:17am

re: #512 Feline Fearless Leader

No.

Here’s why I brought that up:

514 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:47:20am

re: #509 Gus

Question. Would you characterize Gabby Gifford’s new group as anti-gun?

I would not classify it at all yet. “By their deeds yea shall know them”, and he group hasn’t put forward any proposals or gotten behind any yet. When that happens, then a determination will be made.

515 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:48:04am

re: #513 Gus

Here’s why I brought that up:

Yes. Framing. But that’s like being pro planned parenthood, natal care, and allowing for abortions (with reasonable restrictions) by default making you “anti-life”.

516 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:48:30am

re: #508 Dark_Falcon

We dealt with the issue of those stats last night, and I don’t have anything new to say this morning.

So you already knew what the stats were, but you reject them anyway. Okay.

517 bratwurst  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:48:50am

re: #513 Gus

Here’s why I brought that up:

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Hey, if stirring up gun nuts can get Piers Morgan to trend on Twitter…can you really blame others for trying? /

518 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:48:51am

Israel Vows To Use Veto Power If Chuck Hagel Confirmed As U.S. Secretary Of Defense

“Because congress does not possess the necessary nine-tenths majority to override an Israeli veto, they’ll have no choice but to head back to the drawing board and provide a Defense Secretary whom we find more suitable.” Sources confirmed that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had sent the White House a list of three individuals the Israeli leader considered appropriate to head the American military from which U.S. President Barack Obama could choose.

519 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:49:48am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

Israel Vows To Use Veto Power If Chuck Hagel Confirmed As U.S. Secretary Of Defense

For a moment there…just a brief moment. I actually thought that was a legit article.

520 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:51:50am

re: #516 CuriousLurker

So you already knew what the stats were, but you reject them anyway. Okay.

No, I didn’t dispute the overall stats when they were explained, but I feel some of the more specific numbers need better methodology, and that some differentiations that should be made were not made.

521 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:53:01am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

re: #519 dragonfire1981

LMAO

522 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:56:34am

re: #520 Dark_Falcon

No, I didn’t dispute the overall stats when they were explained, but I feel some of the more specific numbers need better methodology, and that some differentiations that should be made were not made.

Yeah, right. Okay. The CDC probably has a liberal bias anyway. //

523 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:59:12am

re: #522 CuriousLurker

Yeah, right. Okay. The CDC probably has a liberal bias anyway. //

Of course! It has ‘center’ and ‘control’ in its name! Those are not conservative values!

524 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:00:01am

re: #523 wrenchwench

I thought control was a central conservative value - possibly the greatest one.
/

525 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:00:38am

re: #524 Feline Fearless Leader

I thought control was a central conservative value - possibly the greatest one.
/

Not when it comes to firearms!

526 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:01:00am

Oh brother…

527 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:02:10am

re: #525 CuriousLurker

Not when it comes to firearms!

Yes, it is. If you do not properly control the firearm, how can you expect to gun down the Raveening Liberal Hordes?

///

528 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:02:28am

Fucking stupid.

529 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:02:38am

re: #525 CuriousLurker

Not when it comes to firearms!

Or those dangerous Kaos types with facial hair and foreign accents!
;)

530 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:02:47am
531 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:02:47am

Wingnut cognitive dissonance:

Criminals obtain guns illegally

THIS PRUVEZ TAHT GUN CONTROLE LAWZ DONT WURK!1!

Women terminate pregnancies in spite of limitations on abortion providers.

WE NEAD MOAR ABORSHUN LAWZ!1!

532 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:02:58am

re: #524 Feline Fearless Leader

I thought control was a central conservative value - possibly the greatest one.
/

Not in a way they want to talk about out loud. But, yeah. Control of women, control of the institution of marriage, ‘controlled substances’, control of textbooks. Just no self-control or gun control!

533 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:05:19am

re: #526 Gus

Oh brother…

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If you are ‘of the left’ and have come to believe that “freedom of speech” means the right to silence someone else, then you’ve gone so far around the bend as to meet the people wanting to deport Piers Morgan.

Free Speech means you get to speak, it does not mean you get to stop the other person (or corporation, for that matter) from speaking.

534 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:05:41am

re: #527 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it is. If you do not properly control the firearm, how can you expect to gun down the Raveening Liberal Hordes?

///

I’d LOL if that wasn’t uncomfortably close to the truth of what too many wingnuts profess to believe online.

535 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:09:49am

re: #533 Dark_Falcon

If you are ‘of the left’ and have come to believe that “freedom of speech” means the right to silence someone else, then you’ve gone so far around the bend as to meet the people wanting to deport Piers Morgan.

Free Speech means you get to speak, it does not mean you get to stop the other person (or corporation, for that matter) from speaking.

Legalized anarchy. Who knew. This WH petition shit is getting truly pathetic.

536 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:10:10am

re: #528 Gus

Fucking stupid.

It makes sense, from an egotistical point of view that cannot tolerate criticism. In other words, a point of view like that of Michele Bachmann. Those Anonymous choads have become like the people they say they’re fighting. Nietzsche and Orwell described how that happens.

537 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:10:31am

re: #482 lawhawk

Yeah, there’s a few people complaining that there’s no way you can mint a $1t coin because it would be the size of the Titanic if minted in platinum. That, of course, ignores that the government can set the value of a piece of paper or coin at whatever denomination it sees fit. The Mint sets the price of a coin of a certain size as a quarter dollar, but the value of the actual metal is a few pennies (it’s actually most cost effective for the mint to strike a quarter than a penny, which is an argument to eliminate the penny from circulation due to costs to make).

People like to think that the value of money, or anything for that matter, is ‘real’. But unless you’re measuring something that occurs in the real universe, like matter or energy, all values are imaginary. Even in the exceptions the value system we apply is arbitrary.

As people converting Celsius to Fahrenheit can tell you.

538 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:10:47am

Also, doesn’t the first amendment apply to the GOVERNMENT ONLY?

As in the government is the only entity that does NOT have a right to prohibit speech?

If I launch a DDos attack against a non-government entity…how do my free speech rights factor into that? Is anonymous saying it’s the same as holding a physical protest on the public property outside the company’s doors?

539 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:12:35am

re: #538 dragonfire1981

Also, doesn’t the first amendment apply to the GOVERNMENT ONLY?

As in the government is the only entity that does NOT have a right to prohibit speech?

If I launch a DDos attack against a non-government entity…how do my free speech rights factor into that? Is anonymous saying it’s the same as holding a physical protest on the public property outside the company’s doors?

A DDos attack would be like “preventing access through the company’s doors.”

540 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:13:13am

re: #538 dragonfire1981

Also, doesn’t the first amendment apply to the GOVERNMENT ONLY?

As in the government is the only entity that does NOT have a right to prohibit speech?

If I launch a DDos attack against a non-government entity…how do my free speech rights factor into that? Is anonymous saying it’s the same as holding a physical protest on the public property outside the company’s doors?

Congress cannot make laws abridging your freedom of speech, but it can make laws protecting it and must in fact do so if freedom is to mean anything.

541 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:13:41am

re: #538 dragonfire1981

Is anonymous saying it’s the same as holding a physical protest on the public property outside the company’s doors?

That’s essentially their logic.

542 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:15:19am

re: #486 Vicious Babushka

Canada has eliminated the penny SO WHY DO I HAVE ALL THESE LAME CANADIAN PENNIES?

Yes, a method of getting around the “We’ll never raise taxes” meme.

Now all sales tax calculations have to be rounded up to the nearest nickel. Which will result in a steady flow of income for the federal government.

They also ‘harmonized’ the sales tax. It used to be there were federal and provincial sales taxes. Now there is a single sales tax collected by the federal government, which is then supposed to disburse the provinces’s share to the various provinces. I’m sure that they’ll find a way to hold on to that money as long as possible.

Because that is the way Our Dear Leader rolls.

543 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:15:39am

Here ya go…

Make, distributed denial-of-service (DDoS), a legal form of protesting.

[derp]With the advance in internet techonology [sic], comes new grounds for protesting. Distributed denial-of-service (DDoS), is not any form of hacking in any way. It is the equivalent of repeatedly hitting the refresh button on a webpage. It is, in that way, no different than any “occupy” protest. Instead of a group of people standing outside a building to occupy the area, they are having their computer occupy a website to slow (or deny) service of that particular website for a short time.

As part of this petition, those who have been jailed for DDoS should be immediatly [sic] released and have anything regarding a DDoS, that is on their “records”, cleared.[/derp]

544 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:16:16am

Ugh, CNN gave Alex Jones a huge boost in publicity. Since it gave them ratings and generated a lot of buzz I think we can expect more of the same.

545 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:16:20am

re: #508 Dark_Falcon

We dealt with the issue of those stats last night, and I don’t have anything new to say this morning.

You didn’t deal with them.

546 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:17:38am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

Ugh, CNN gave Alex Jones a huge boost in publicity. Since it gave them ratings and generated a lot of buzz I think we can expect more of the same.

Selling like “crazy” right?

547 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:18:11am

Genius!

Umm, he’s on trial.

548 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:21:16am

re: #537 Romantic Heretic

People like to think that the value of money, or anything for that matter, is ‘real’. But unless you’re measuring something that occurs in the real universe, like matter or energy, all values are imaginary. Even in the exceptions the value system we apply is arbitrary.

As people converting Celsius to Fahrenheit can tell you.

Speaking of converting Celsius to Fahrenheit:

549 bratwurst  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:22:19am

re: #545 Obdicut

You didn’t deal with them.

Well minimizing and obfuscating are methods of dealing with unpleasant numbers…for some people apparently.

550 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:23:06am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

Ugh, CNN gave Alex Jones a huge boost in publicity. Since it gave them ratings and generated a lot of buzz I think we can expect more of the same.

Stalker Site also pointed out that Charles helped bump up the hits as Weasel Zippers…

We are dealing with a medium in which there is no such thing as bad publicity.

551 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:24:16am

re: #537 Romantic Heretic

People like to think that the value of money, or anything for that matter, is ‘real’. But unless you’re measuring something that occurs in the real universe, like matter or energy, all values are imaginary. Even in the exceptions the value system we apply is arbitrary.

As people converting Celsius to Fahrenheit can tell you.

BUY GOLD!!!

/

552 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:27:27am

Bad argument from someone at the ACLU:

The Government’s Overreach on Bradley Manning

So because a Specialist Wilson and Donald Rumsfeld spoke on camera WRT Wilson’s questions and nothing happened, nothing should happen to Manning, or something.

553 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:28:33am

re: #550 Sol Berdinowitz

Stalker Site also pointed out that Charles helped bump up the hits as Weasel Zippers…

We are dealing with a medium in which there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Not unless you assign real meaning to concepts such as decency, that is.

The TV business is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason.

Which is more or less true. For the most part, they are dirty little animals with huge brains and no pulse.

Hunter S. Thompson

554 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:29:41am

Ah, Arizona!

Two years to the day after Jared Lee Loughner killed six people and wounded 13 others, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in Tucson, Ariz., people interested in ditching their guns could take their pick between two buybacks in town.

At one event, held by Tucson City Council member Steve Kozachik at a Tucson police station, members of the public could turn in a gun in exchange for a $50 Safeway gift card, while supplies lasted.

Kozachik chose the Tucson massacre anniversary for the buyback to keep the conversation about gun violence alive in the community, after the more recent Newtown, Conn., and Aurora, Colo., shootings.

At the other event a stone’s throw away, outgoing state Sen. Frank Antenori (R), who has reportedly butted heads with Kozachick for some time, decided to hold his own buyback, posting up near the city event and offering cash for guns to boost his own collection.

[…]

Kozachik insisted his event was neither anti-gun nor anti-Second Amendment. “If somebody has a firearm in their home that they’re simply uncomfortable having, this is giving them an opportunity to get rid of it and dispose of it properly,” he said. “Antenori wants to turn this thing into a firearms flea market, and he’s making a fool of himself.”

[…]

555 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:34:33am

I may be looking for a job in Tennessee but I think this might be a bit too far away.

Help Wanted: Astronauts Needed for Mars Colony

Mars One, a nonprofit organization based in the Netherlands, intends to establish a human settlement on Mars in 2023.

They need astronauts.

Anyone on planet Earth can apply if they meet the basic requirements. But obviously, the job isn’t for just anyone.

Today, Mars One released its application criteria. Among other virtues, astronaut candidates must have “a deep sense of purpose, willingness to build and maintain healthy relationships, the capacity for self-reflection and ability to trust. They must be resilient, adaptable, curious, creative and resourceful.” And be at least 18 years old (no maximum age has been set).

556 I Am Kreniigh!  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:35:42am

re: #106 sattv4u2

Dreadlocks don’t kill people
People with dreadlocks kill people!!

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com…]

Cops Arrest Portland Man, 32, For Strangling Girlfriend With His Dreadlocks

Great, now everyone’s going to run out and buy up all the dreadlocks before Obama makes them illegal.
/

557 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:36:51am

The A-Z of master architects in 1:38:

[Link: curbed.com…]

558 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:39:08am

re: #554 wrenchwench

Ah, Arizona!

Can we call that “buyback trolling”?

559 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:40:07am

re: #556 I Am Kreniigh!

Great, now everyone’s going to run out and buy up all the dreadlocks before Obama makes them illegal.
/

Deadlocks. /

560 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:40:52am

Make this go viral!

Derp. /

561 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:42:01am

Overused phrases of 2012 on Twitter.

• Make this go viral.
• …here’s why.
• In which…

562 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:43:51am

re: #561 Gus

Overused phrases of 2012 on Twitter.

• Make this go viral.
• …here’s why.
• In which…

Thx for the following! Following u back! #TGDN

563 wilburs  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:45:25am

This is too funny

Dick Army thought he was talking to Brent Bozzell when he dished on Freedom Works to Media Matters

[Link: maddowblog.msnbc.com…]

Maybe Joe Strupp disguised himself with a red wig ala Howard Hunt visiting Dita Beard

564 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:45:32am

re: #558 Dark_Falcon

Can we call that “buyback trolling”?

That’s apt, but I have a whole lot of adjectives I want to add. Too many to list, but we can start with ‘heartless’.

565 efuseakay  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:46:56am

re: #455 Vicious Babushka

“The Naked Gun” DERP FAIL

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What’s he gunna do with a naked gun?

566 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:47:26am

re: #564 wrenchwench

That’s apt, but I have a whole lot of adjectives I want to add. Too many to list, but we can start with ‘heartless’.

I’d say ‘insensitive’ or ‘dickish’ instead of ‘heartless’, but that’s me. ‘Heartless’ is viable for that situation.

567 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:49:14am

re: #497 Decatur Deb

Down here it’s impolite to take random shooting personally.

Oh, those Baker boys are at it again. Down on the floor everyone, they usually get tired after a half hour or so.

568 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:50:44am

re: #566 Dark_Falcon

I’d say ‘insensitive’ or ‘dickish’ instead of ‘heartless’, but that’s me. ‘Heartless’ is viable for that situation.

Keep in mind that it occurred on the anniversary of Loughner’s rampage.

569 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:50:58am

re: #565 efuseakay

What’s he gunna do with a naked gun?

You don’ t want to know.

570 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:51:31am

re: #509 Gus

Question. Would you characterize Gabby Gifford’s new group as anti-gun?

Pro-life

571 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:55:24am

re: #568 wrenchwench

Keep in mind that it occurred on the anniversary of Loughner’s rampage.

In that case I’d go with “callously and stupidly disrespectful”. How’s that?

572 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:57:30am

re: #571 Dark_Falcon

In that case I’d go with “callously and stupidly disrespectful”. How’s that?

Why the hangup over the word “heartless”?

573 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 9:58:20am

Making explicit what other conspiracy nuts have been saying:


574 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:00:24am

Sorry, just Godwin/Stalin’d the thread. /

575 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:01:13am

re: #574 lawhawk

Sorry, just Godwin/Stalin’d the thread. /

No Godwin there. Nope, not one bit. //

576 Gus  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:01:27am

Note. That’s the right wing being civil. Cough.

577 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:02:05am

re: #573 lawhawk

Making explicit what other conspiracy nuts have been saying:

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I think we have turned a corner in the debate on weapons in America: recent events have functioned as a powerful emetic, causing the most hideous bile to be vomited up with resounding force.

The GOP has to either learn to distance itself or stand its ground proudly in a pile of fetid puke.

578 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:02:31am

#TGDN getting pounded by Justin Bieber spammers.

579 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:03:28am

re: #572 Interesting Times

Why the hangup over the word “heartless”?

I feel it gets used too often. Nothing wrong with it, and WW uses it correctly, but I like to change up my word use from time to time. It keeps things fresher and it makes good use of my large vocabulary.

I wouldn’t have posted what I did at #566 if I’d remembered that Mr. Antenori held his “MHOR GUNZ FER MEE!!1” event on the day Loughner committed his crime. That does indeed fit the criteria for ‘heartless’ in my mind.

580 Geoff with a G  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:03:46am

re: #573 lawhawk

581 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:04:16am

re: #573 lawhawk

Making explicit what other conspiracy nuts have been saying:

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Were Rod Serling still around, he’d surely make a Twilight Zone episode where the gibbering idiots who make those comparisons get sent back in time to genuine gulags and concentration camps.

582 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:04:46am

re: #578 Vicious Babushka

#TGDN getting pounded by Justin Bieber spammers.

Well, most of them are immature and would be more bearable if the smoked some Mary Jane and mellowed out for a bit.

//

583 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:04:48am

re: #580 geoffm33

@DRUDGE_REPORT Oh my Godwin! Hitler AND Stalin (you need Mao on there too!)

And the Ayatollah.

Pol Pot optional, but a nice touch…

584 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:05:19am

re: #571 Dark_Falcon

In that case I’d go with “callously and stupidly disrespectful”. How’s that?

Better.

585 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:05:58am

re: #583 Sol Berdinowitz

And the Ayatollah.

Pol Pot optional, but a nice touch…

Nah, you gotta have Fidel Castro in there instead of Pol Pot. Need to make sure it has appeal in Florida!

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586 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:07:33am

re: #585 Dark_Falcon

Nah, you gotta have Fidel Castro in there instead of Pol Pot. Need to make sure it has appeal in Florida!

///

Chavez would be in bad taste right now…

587 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:07:58am

re: #572 Interesting Times

Why the hangup over the word “heartless”?

It’s an unfair smear of the circulatory impaired.
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588 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:11:36am

I’m so confused. (as usual) There is a brand new thread. Should I stay there, or hang-out here for a while?

589 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:13:14am

re: #586 Sol Berdinowitz

Chavez would be in bad taste right now…

Concur.

590 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:13:31am

re: #588 FemNaziBitch

I’m so confused. (as usual) There is a brand new thread. Should I stay there, or hang-out here for a while?

Both.

591 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:13:47am

re: #590 wrenchwench

Both.

that’s asking a lot so early in the day.

592 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:14:55am

re: #591 FemNaziBitch

that’s asking a lot so early in the day.

Post another Page too!

593 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:16:31am

re: #592 wrenchwench

Post another Page too!

Naw, I’m done for today.

594 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:17:00am

re: #585 Dark_Falcon

Nah, you gotta have Fidel Castro in there instead of Pol Pot. Need to make sure it has appeal in Florida!

///

Something’s going to happen. The last time I saw this level of palpable hysteria from the far-right was just before the OKC bombing. Something’s gonna break, and soon.

595 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:17:58am

re: #593 FemNaziBitch

Naw, I’m done for today.

You can always tell what time researchok and I sign-on on the internet —can’t you?

596 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:19:00am

re: #594 Dr Lizardo

Something’s going to happen. The last time I saw this level of palpable hysteria from the far-right was just before the OKC bombing. Something’s gonna break, and soon.

That was before the horrible event, whereas this time we’re dealing with the aftermath.

597 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:19:23am

re: #594 Dr Lizardo

Something’s going to happen. The last time I saw this level of palpable hysteria from the far-right was just before the OKC bombing. Something’s gonna break, and soon.

These guys have been around a lot longer than that, they just did not make as much noise because they never felt particularly threatened by anyone, since most politicians lived in mortal fear of the NRA and its political clout.

Now that they see people standing up to the gun lobby, they are pulling out all the stops. And changing their firing pins.

598 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:30:42am

re: #596 Dark_Falcon

That was before the horrible event, whereas this time we’re dealing with the aftermath.

I still feel that someone on the far-right, a lone wolf, is gonna try something, and soon. The far-right is working itself up to a fever pitch, and they’re becoming more unhinged with every passing day.

599 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:32:08am

re: #597 Sol Berdinowitz

These guys have been around a lot longer than that, they just did not make as much noise because they never felt particularly threatened by anyone, since most politicians lived in mortal fear of the NRA and its political clout.

Now that they see people standing up to the gun lobby, they are pulling out all the stops. And changing their firing pins.

I remember that “Clinton’s gonna take away our guns!” stuff floating around in the 90s. This time, it seems like the more unbalanced part of the RW is getting even more frothing-at-the-mouth hysterical than they were back then.

600 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:39:03am

re: #559 Gus

Deadlocks. /

Name of an obscure Marvel character.

Image: Deathlok+Portrait.jpg

601 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:39:07am

re: #599 Dr Lizardo

I remember that “Clinton’s gonna take away our guns!” stuff floating around in the 90s. This time, it seems like the more unbalanced part of the RW is getting even more frothing-at-the-mouth hysterical than they were back then.

False Scarcity is a very effective marketing tool.

602 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:40:53am

re: #586 Sol Berdinowitz

Chavez would be in bad taste right now…

When has that ever stopped them?

603 Aligarr  Wed, Jan 9, 2013 11:15:13am

This is what Breitbart.Com AS WELL as FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE is all about .
Hacks like Shapiro , Vadum , Greenfield jump back and forth between these two blogs . Underlying 99 % of all materials , disguising as “journalism ” , is nothing but pure unadulterated Obama Hate Syndrome and extreme islamophobia . THIS is the TEA PARTY Conservatives in action . They praise maniacs like Beck , bow down before idiots like Limbaugh , and borrow most of their “journalistic work ” from similar blogs . Ann Coulter is the cult hero as well as Orly Taitz .


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